Stopping "Cyberkahuna" website
kdalle
Some jerk has decided he has the moral authority to invite the world to San Francisco by
posting a website with photos of various spot in SF. He is trying to make a buck by
having paid advertising on the site.
I know it might be considered rather meaningless as there is hardly a more fickle surfspot
on th eplanet. Nonetheless I feel it is disrespectful and unacceptable. Adverting surfspots
in exchange for money is anti surfing attitude in the extreme. Especially in light of my
sincere request that he not do this after he offered to delete locations if it was requested by
locals.
Any thoughts on how to deal with this are appreciated. He goes by cyberkahuna. Can any
of you wizards out there help to fing his real name and provider. He might not be so bold
if he were no longer anonymous. Also is there a way to effectively jam his site with hits
so his costs will escalate. I do not think this type of exploitation should be considered
acceptable simply because the technology allows it.
Any help or thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks
Jeff Kaplan
kda...@slip.net
Leo Dagum
In article <31CA39...@slip.net>, kdalle <kda...@slip.net> writes:
|>
|> Any thoughts on how to deal with this are appreciated. He goes by
|> cyberkahuna. Can any
|> of you wizards out there help to fing his real name and provider.
Looks like earthlink.net to me, someone on earthlink should probably be
able to finger him.
|> He might not be so bold
|> if he were no longer anonymous. Also is there a way to effectively jam his
|> site with hits
|> so his costs will escalate. I do not think this type of exploitation should
|> be considered
|> acceptable simply because the technology allows it.
That would probably only help him out since getting a lot of hits
would conceivably provide greater advertising revenue.
|>
|> Any help or thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks
Try mail bombing him. Stuff the largest gif file you can through
your mailserver and launch it his way. Get all your friends to do
the same. If you bring down his server it's quite likely that
his net provider will kick him off.
|>
|> Jeff Kaplan
|> kda...@slip.net
- leo
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Ric Harwood
In alt.surfing, da...@barrel.asd.sgi.com (Leo Dagum), Leo Dagum
wrote:
>|> if he were no longer anonymous. Also is there a way to effectively jam his
>|> site with hits
>|> so his costs will escalate. I do not think this type of exploitation should
>|> be considered
>|> acceptable simply because the technology allows it.
>That would probably only help him out since getting a lot of hits
>would conceivably provide greater advertising revenue.
Very true, in the same way as good TV ratings sell more advertising.
>|> Any help or thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks
>Try mail bombing him. Stuff the largest gif file you can through
>your mailserver and launch it his way. Get all your friends to do
>the same. If you bring down his server it's quite likely that
>his net provider will kick him off.
As will yours to you, probably for breaking their AUP, certainly for
net.abuse. Unless the file[s] were not traceable back to you...
Ric
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Shaun Collopy
Leo Dagum wrote:
>
> In article <31CA39...@slip.net>, kdalle <kda...@slip.net> writes:
> |>
> |> Any thoughts on how to deal with this are appreciated. He goes by
> |> cyberkahuna. Can any
> |> of you wizards out there help to fing his real name and provider.
>
> Looks like earthlink.net to me, someone on earthlink should probably be
> able to finger him.
>
> |> He might not be so bold
> |> site with hits
> |> so his costs will escalate. I do not think this type of exploitation should
> |> be considered
> |> acceptable simply because the technology allows it.
>
> That would probably only help him out since getting a lot of hits
> would conceivably provide greater advertising revenue.
> |>
>
> Try mail bombing him. Stuff the largest gif file you can through
> your mailserver and launch it his way. Get all your friends to do
> the same. If you bring down his server it's quite likely that
> his net provider will kick him off.
>
What is your problem man? Haven't you ever used a surf report service in your life?
Is your beach so good that you never travel to others? If you bother to look around
the "surfcheck" site you will notice that the advertising rates are dirt cheap and the
primary reason for providing the report is to help surfers. But the best thing about
reports on the "web" is that they are FREE and technology has now taken us to the point
where we can even see live pictures of surf breaks.
Stopping the "Cyberkahuna" website is useless as there are already others and there are
bound to be more so stop complaining and take advantage of the FREE service.
Tchau,
Shaun
kda...@slip.net
Shaun Collopy wrote:
>
> If you bother to look around
> the "surfcheck" site you will notice that the
By help do you mean informing weekend warriors who only want
to know when its pumping because they cant be bother with
less than perfect surf or those who are just to lazy to go
to the beach to check the surf.
>But the best thing about
> reports on the "web" is that they are FREE.
They are not free. Every yahoo that heads to the beach
because of surf report online steals from the surfers who
put in the time to learn and understand the complexities of
the ocean in order to have a more fulfilling time in the
ocean.
> Stopping the "Cyberkahuna" website is useless as there are already others.
On this point you may be right. My point is that just
because you CAN do something does not mean you SHOULD do it.
Do you believe there is anything that is considered abuse of
the internet. I have met people who believe that spamming is
acceptable. Be careful, do you believe in freedom or
anarchy. They are different you know.
Keep surfin...
Jeff Kaplan
kda...@slip.net
Tyrez
you were a grom so you didn't have to bike it to the beach to see if it
was happening. Same thing only more high-tech. If you don't want to
deal with the crowds, move somewhere where you can be alone, or just get
up earlier.
Ty
Timothy B. Maddux
>Reality is a point of view wrote:
>> ... Cars are a bad thing. So reducing the number of them
>> running up and down the coast because gas is cheap sounds
>> like a good idea to me.
>
>I guess you either do not drive or are a hypocrite, take your choice.
Eh? It's not quite so black-and-white. Gary just wants to minimize
the impact of cars being driven all over the coastline looking for surf
that isn't there. By having access to useful data from home, surfers can
theoretically pinpoint their destination and cut down on the amount of
gas that they burn, minimizing their impact to the environment that they
enjoy.
With respect to the "Surfcheck" site specifically, you can address
the issue of profit by going directly to the surf shops and surf-related
businesses that pay the site operator for advertising space. Get a crew
of locals from your beach and talk to them. Run your own web site and give
them free advertising space on it. Find some way of convincing them that
the web won't really generate any additional revenue for them. Remind the
guys in the shops that they like to surf your spots uncrowded and fun, just
like you do.
--
Tim Maddux -- tbma...@engineering.ucsb.edu
Santa Barbara Surfing -- http://eci2.ucsb.edu/~tbmaddux/
kda...@slip.net
just got on my bike and went to the beach every day. Still
go every day at dawn and I do usually have it to myself.
Its the mid day surfs that are crowded and have a bad vibe.
Do you like crowded conditions. Does anyone. Why should we
strive for more crowded conditions.Its a limited resource.
kda...@slip.net
Tyrez
dropping in on your mother and hitting on your girlfriend while she
watches from your porch?
Listen, I know how crowds of any kind can screw up you spot, no matter how
few there may be. And, if the people who show up on your doorstep after
logging on for a minute instead of checking it themselves are pompous
assholes, well, then it's kind of hard to argue with you. But from what I
understand, this guy is doing this for free and not trying to milk the
chumps who happen to live more than a stone's throw from the beach for
their cash.
For twenty five years, I lived across the street from MY spot. I surfed
there even though it may have been easier to get out or even better at
other places, just so I could surf with me and my buddies. And when
someone else showed up, you're right, I was a bit pissed. But if they
were cool and showed a smile for us, hey, surf on. Now, due to a certain
precious metal band on the second finger on my left hand, I live a couple
hours away from the beach (I know, I'm a chump), and I look forward to
reading up on when the surf is good before I head off. Don't get me
wrong, I CAN read a weather map, I CAN tell when the swells are coming,
but I can't tell if it's offshore or sideshore, I can't tell if the swell
direction is closing out this beachbreak or that point, etc. Call me a
sellout or whatever, but some of us have to make due with the hand that's
dealt us... Of course, I can just call my younger (and unmarried) brother
to find out how the waves are, but I think you get my point. ; )
Don't kill the guy for trying, just nail the bastards who don't appreciate
how lucky they are to be sharing your spot.
Ty
the Sandman
>
> Shaun Collopy wrote:
> >
> > If you bother to look around
> > the "surfcheck" site you will notice that the
> > primary reason for providing the report is to help surfers.
>
> By help do you mean informing weekend warriors who only want
> to know when its pumping because they cant be bother with
> less than perfect surf or those who are just to lazy to go
> to the beach to check the surf.
I've checked the site in question for the last 2 weeks, every day.
It's virtually(ha) worthless as far as I can see. The pix are not
up to date or nonexistent. There is now way you can run a site like
that for long because it's not economically viable. You can't pay
people to take pictures, admin the site, write the code, pay the
bills and not charge surfers and have such low costs to sponsors.
My number don't add up. It'll blow away soon.
I'm experiemnting with a site like this right now. If anybody
cares to consult with me on how to run one correctly, email me.
My rates are fairly inexpensive. of course that's relative...
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Reality is a point of view
+---- tbma...@alumnae.caltech.edu wrote (27 Jun 1996 17:23:57 GMT):
| In article <31D1FA...@slip.net>, <kda...@slip.net> wrote:
| >Reality is a point of view wrote:
| >> ... Cars are a bad thing. So reducing the number of them
| >> running up and down the coast because gas is cheap sounds
| >> like a good idea to me.
| >I guess you either do not drive or are a hypocrite, take your choice.
Heh. I received that in mail, didn't know it was posted too.
Hasn't shown up here, yet anyway. For the record I don't drive.
| Eh? It's not quite so black-and-white. Gary just wants to minimize
| the impact of cars being driven all over the coastline looking for surf
| that isn't there. By having access to useful data from home, surfers can
| theoretically pinpoint their destination and cut down on the amount of
| gas that they burn, minimizing their impact to the environment that they
| enjoy.
+----
Thanks Tim. Actually I would like it if cars running up and
down the coast were minimized period. Even when there is surf.
Minimizing cars running around everywhere else too. But that is
a separate issue. What I was really doing was trying to pop
the hypocritical zit that seemed to be brewing. kda...@slip.net
was disappointed with the amount of content I used to do the
job, at least in the copy I received in mail.
If there is a general interest or need feel free to let me know
and I'll spew until the kids get a clue or get tired and go to
sleep. I'm not proud, or tired.
I'll try to refrain from posting copies of past spews, just to
keep things fresh. And if it has to happen I would appreciate
someone waking up whathi...@aol.com so I don't look like I
type too fast.
Meanwhile, the heat wave continues.
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AgroKook
The Sandman writes:
"I've checked the site in question for the last 2 weeks, every day.
It's virtually(ha) worthless as far as I can see. The pix are not
up to date or nonexistent. There is now way you can run a site like
that for long because it's not economically viable. You can't pay
people to take pictures, admin the site, write the code, pay the
bills and not charge surfers and have such low costs to sponsors.
My number don't add up. It'll blow away soon.
I'm experiemnting with a site like this right now. If anybody
cares to consult with me on how to run one correctly, email me.
My rates are fairly inexpensive. of course that's relative..."
Dear Sandman,
I hope your correct. I hope the site does disapear. All I need are the
bouys & global wave forecast and I'm fine. I don't mind the guy showing
places that are all ready crowded like trestles or HB. But when
Cyberkahuna gets north of Santa Cruz and starts showing spots that are
never crowded....Well, I have to say it's totally uncool. Why show
spots that are fickle and uncrowded. It's only going to add to the
traffic and crowds.
AgroKook
Alone, cold and surrounded by sharks
zu...@digital.netvoyage.net
I was going to put up pictures on my page of Topanga every morning but
after reading up on the debate, I have decided against it. Primarily
because it would create unwarranted exposure to Topanga by the,
"I-only-go-out-if-it-is good" crowd. Those surfers tend to be
a huge hassle to surf through and I don't want to be a part of
that kind of nonsense.
The only thing I suggest to prevent that kind of site is to avoid
advertisers that support those kinds of activities.
zuma
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box the way an angel is not supposed too.
kda...@slip.net
zu...@digital.netvoyage.net wrote:
>
> I was going to put up pictures on my page of Topanga every morning but
> after reading up on the debate, I have decided against it. Primarily
> because it would create unwarranted exposure to Topanga by the,
> "I-only-go-out-if-it-is good" crowd. Those surfers tend to be
> a huge hassle to surf through and I don't want to be a part of
> that kind of nonsense.
>
> The only thing I suggest to prevent that kind of site is to avoid
> advertisers that support those kinds of activities.
>
> zuma
Thanks for your decision and support. In fact, I am
currently emailing each advertiser to explain my position
and request that they stop advertising on the site. Hope it
works. Keep surfin!
Jeff Kaplan
kda...@slip.net
kda...@slip.net
To all newsgroup memebers, Just thuoght I would post
CyberKahunas response to my requerts that he cease post
images of San Francisco as he said he woud do if local
surfers requested. I requested, he lied. Here's his
response:
>Jeff:
>Check this months issue of Surfer. You lost the battle. >Nice try though.
>Your buddy
>Cyber Kahuna
P.S. after repeated requests this exploitive shithead still
refuses to reveal his real name. I request that anyone out
there who would not want this done to their locale bomb his
site and email request to his advertisers that this is
uncool in the extreme. RSVP. Thanks in advance
Jeff Kaplan
kda...@slip.net