"The Vocabularies of Science"
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The Vocabularies of Science
by L. Ron Hubbard
In all scientific systems you have a number of code words which
operate as communication carriers, and when a person does not
know these words well, he is having difficulty with the science
itself. I have seen a senior in science falling down in his
comprehension of a later part of the science because he had never
gotten the nomenclature of the science straight to begin with. He
did not know exactly what a British Thermal Unit was, or
something like that -- therefore, later on, when he's solving
some vast and involved problem, there's a datum rambling around
in his head and it's not stable at all -- it's getting confused -
- it's mixed up with other data. And that is only because he
didn't understand what the *term* was in the first place.
So just as you learn semaphore signals, just as you learn Morse
Code, just as you learn baby talk, so, when you become conversant
with any particular specialized subject, you must become
conversant with its technology. Your understanding of it then
increases. Otherwise, understanding is impeded by these words
rattling around and not joining themselves to anything. If you
know vaguely that such and such a word exists and yet have no
definite understanding of what it means, it does not align. Thus,
a misunderstanding of a word can cause a misalignment of a
subject, and this really is the basis of the primary confusion in
Man's understanding of the mind.
There have been so many words assigned to various parts of the
mind that one would be staggered if he merely catalogued all of
these things. Take, for instance, the tremendous background and
technology of psychoanalysis. Overpoweringly complicated
material, most of it is merely descriptive; some of it, action
terminology, such as the censor, the id, the ego, the alter-ego,
and what not. Most of these things lined up, each one meaning a
specific thing. But the practitioners who began to study this
science did not have a good founding in the exact sciences -- in
other words, they didn't have a model of the exact sciences. And
in the humanities, they could be as careless as they liked with
their words, because the humanities were not expected to be
precise or exact -- not a criticism of them -- it just means that
you could have a lesser command of the language.
When they got into the study of Freud, they got into this
interesting thing -- to one person an id was one thing and to
another person it was something else. And alter-ego was this and
it was that. The confusion of terms there, practically all by
itself, became the totality of confusion of psychoanalysis.
Actually, psychoanalysis is as easy to understand, certainly, as
Japanese. Japanese is a baby talk -- very, very hard to read,
very, very easy to talk. If you can imagine a language which
tells you which is the subject, which is the verb, which is the
object, every time it speaks, you can imagine this baby-talk kind
of language. One that doesn't have various classes or
conjugations of verbs. A very faint kind of a language.
Nevertheless, it merely consists, in order to communicate with a
Japanese, of knowing the meanings of certain words; and if you
know the meanings of those words precisely, then when a Japanese
comes up to you and says, "Do you want a cup of tea?" you don't
immediately get up because you thought he said, "Wet Paint." You
have a communication possibility.
Well, similarly, with the language of psychoanalysis, the great
difficulties inherent in understanding such a thing as
psychoanalysis became much less difficult when one viewed
psychoanalysis as a code system to relay certain meanings. It did
not, then, become a problem of whether or not these phenomena
existed or didn't exist. It simply became a problem of words
meaning a certain precise thing. And if they meant that thing to
everybody, then everybody was talking psychoanalysis, and if it
didn't mean this thing to everybody, then people weren't talking
psychoanalysis. Who knows *what* they were talking? The next
thing you know, they were talking Jungianism -- the next thing
you know, they were talking Adlerianism -- and the amount of
difference between these various items is minute, to say the
least. But the language difficulties, then, made many
practitioners in that field at odds with the theory, which they
did not, at any rate, understand.
I remember one time learning Igoroti, an Eastern primitive
language, in a single night. I sat up by kerosene lantern and
took a list of words that had been made by an old missionary in
the hills in Luzon -- the Igoroti had a very simple language.
This missionary had phoneticized their language and he had made a
list of their main words and their usage and grammar. And I
remember sitting up under a mosquito net with the mosquitoes
hungrily chomping their beaks just outside the net, and learning
this language -- three hundred words -- just memorizing these
words and what they meant. And the next day I started to get them
in line and align them with people, and was speaking Igoroti in a
very short time.
The point here is that it is not difficult to learn a language,
if you understand that you are learning a language.
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[ Reproduced again, without Elron's permission ]
: The Vocabularies of Science
: by L. Ron Hubbard
: [ ... ]
: when a Japanese
: comes up to you and says, "Do you want a cup of tea?" you don't
: immediately get up because you thought he said, "Wet Paint."
Absolutely brilliant.
: [ ... ]
: I remember one time learning Igoroti, an Eastern primitive
: language... the Igoroti had a very simple language... three hundred
: words... And the next day I... was speaking Igoroti in a very short
: time.
Scientologists actually believe this stuff?? I think I understand how
clearing works, now. You just find someone with an empty head, and
the rest is a piece of cake.
But how can anyone be so "clear" as to believe a language only has
three hundred words? There are gorillas with larger vocabularies
than that. Of course Koko's smarter than the average Scientologist,
but still...
- mark
Avoid normal situations.
: wenge...@ccsua.ctstateu.edu wrote:
: : Grateful acknowledgement is made to the L. Ron Hubbard Library
: : for permission to reproduce selections from the copyrighted works
: : of L. Ron Hubbard.
: : -----------------------------------------------------------------
: [ Reproduced again, without Elron's permission ]
: : The Vocabularies of Science
: : by L. Ron Hubbard
: : [ ... ]
: : when a Japanese
: : comes up to you and says, "Do you want a cup of tea?" you don't
: : immediately get up because you thought he said, "Wet Paint."
: Absolutely brilliant.
: : [ ... ]
: : I remember one time learning Igoroti, an Eastern primitive
: : language... the Igoroti had a very simple language... three hundred
: : words... And the next day I... was speaking Igoroti in a very short
: : time.
: Scientologists actually believe this stuff??
It's really not so anomalous. If you run a cult, you simply get a
handle on the techniques of manipulating people into mass behavior before
said people *realize* that that's what they're doing. Cattle are pretty
easy to prod along, and since we H. sapienses are socialized to behave in
that sort of way from really early on in life (e.g. remember the
zillions of times you had to recite the Pledge of Allegiance in
elementary school), it's not such a big leap from normal human behavior.
Moreover, you may reflect that the human dialectic has not advanced
through who has the strongest argument, but through who's had the best
verbal skills. History is *full* of people who shaped many other people's
lives thanks to what great bullies they were (take Otto von Bismarck,
f'r instance). All you need are a few good men to b.s. the marks into
submission, and -- ta da!!! -- you've got a flock! It also helps that
people will do the most ridiculous things before they'll admit that
they're wrong about something about which they feel strongly... and
the beauty of it is that the longer they believe Belief X, the stronger
they hold onto it, and the louder they scream when it's refuted.
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Donald Lindsay
In article <1994May26...@ccsua.ctstateu.edu>,
>this language -- three hundred words -- just memorizing these
>words and what they meant. And the next day I started to get them
>in line and align them with people, and was speaking Igoroti in a
>very short time.
>
>The point here is that it is not difficult to learn a language,
>if you understand that you are learning a language.
English has almost a million words, if you count dialects, jargon,
and obsolete stuff. It's certainly possible to write a book with only
500 or 1000 different words, but the reader does notice. I doubt that
these 300 words were anywhere near the whole language. It would be
just enough for the purposes of barter, and so on.
As for speed of learning: Sir William Hamilton spoke four languages
by the age of 5, and spoke something like 26 languages at the age of
15. I think he counted the average language as taking three or four
months to learn properly. After one day, you might learn enough to
(say) hire a guide. But the transaction would probably be about half
sign language (like waving money, one of the universal signs!)
--
Don D.C.Lindsay Carnegie Mellon Computer Science
Kirk Holland Vestal
3 to 5 times larger than Spanish. At one time I knew more specific
numbers on these languages. I have learned Guarani, which has a
vocabulary of about 5,000 words, and Nivacle, which has only some 3,000
words. Jopara, another South American dialect, has even less.
In the case of Guarani, in place of verbs and adjectives morphemes are
added as pre- or suffixes, elimanating many words. It also does not use
articles and almost no prepositions. The word for "blue" and "green" are
the same word: "hovy~". In Nivacle, they use the same word for "green"
and "yellow." On the other extreme, Castillian commonly distinguishes
"light blue" and "blue" as seperate basic colours.
Many "primitive" tongues have a basic unique vocabulary, and have adopted
another tongue to fill in the gaps. Thus, a basic dinstinctive
vocabulary and grammar is supplemented by a colonising tongue, often
English, Spanish, or French, or others.
Jopora combines Guarani words and grammar with Spanish. Most of the
language is Spanish, but the very small amount of guarani-isms in it
makes it virtually indecipherable and incomprehensible for Spanish speakers.
Bob Haushalter
> It's really not so anomalous. If you run a cult, you simply get a
>handle on the techniques of manipulating people into mass behavior before
>said people *realize* that that's what they're doing.
What's the difference between a cult and a religion? I think once the
organization obtains enough money, it changes from a cult to a religion.
Don't the Boy Scouts and the Army fall within your definition?
>Cattle are pretty
>easy to prod along, and since we H. sapienses are socialized to behave in
>that sort of way from really early on in life (e.g. remember the
>zillions of times you had to recite the Pledge of Allegiance in
>elementary school), it's not such a big leap from normal human behavior.
As an interesting aside, it's a little known fact nowadays that the
phrase "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance was only added in during
the McCarthy era of the 50's.
>Moreover, you may reflect that the human dialectic has not advanced
>through who has the strongest argument, but through who's had the best
>verbal skills. History is *full* of people who shaped many other people's
>lives thanks to what great bullies they were (take Otto von Bismarck,
>f'r instance). All you need are a few good men to b.s. the marks into
>submission, and -- ta da!!! -- you've got a flock!
That's easy for a John
Bircher like you to say..
>It also helps that
>people will do the most ridiculous things before they'll admit that
>they're wrong about something about which they feel strongly... and
>the beauty of it is that the longer they believe Belief X, the stronger
>they hold onto it, and the louder they scream when it's refuted.
Like your fallacious beliefs that you're:
(a) funny
(b) intelligent
The fact is that no one really gives a rat's ass what you have to say.
>The Stainless Steel Moviegoer
The Tarnished Tellurium Touch-hole Tonguer
john baez
>Something wrong with a 300 word language? English has a vocabulary some
>3 to 5 times larger than Spanish. At one time I knew more specific
>numbers on these languages. I have learned Guarani, which has a
>vocabulary of about 5,000 words, and Nivacle, which has only some 3,000
>words. Jopara, another South American dialect, has even less.
What a showoff!! These linguists who learn hundreds of languages and
can't think of anything to say in any of them except "I know Guarani and
Jopara" really bug me, especially because I grew up speaking Guarani and
picked up Jopara and Nivacle as a kid when I was working at the Burger
King down in Corona. I've learned languages with even FEWER words,
buster; for example, last weekend I learned Zoermoentp, which has only
42 words, and ten minutes ago I learned Asieonieizi, which only has one
word, Asieoniezi (the name of the language).
Jay C. Jachimiak
> buster; for example, last weekend I learned Zoermoentp, which has only
> 42 words, and ten minutes ago I learned Asieonieizi, which only has one
> word, Asieoniezi (the name of the language).
I'm very glad to hear that, because Asieoniezi is my first lanquage. My
parents still speak Asieoniezi at home, but no one else I know can speak
it. Most who try are confused about precisely how to use the one word.
Since you can speak it, let's continue this in Asieoniezi:
Asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi. Asieoniezi, asieoniezi-asieoniezi
asieoniezi, asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi; asieoniezi. Asieoniezi?
Asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi
asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi, asieoniezi
asieoniezi John, asieoniezi asieoniezi. asieoniezi:
1. asieoniezi
2. asieoniezi
3. asieoniezi
4. asieoniezi
5. asieoniezi
Asieoniezi asieoniezi? Asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi.
-Jay
jay...@panix.com in NYC
Jay C. Jachimiak
> In article <73ivjesE...@panix.com> jay...@panix.com (Jay C. Jachimiak) writes:
> >Most who try are confused about precisely how to use the one word.
>
> True. While the pronounciation doesn't usually take long for people to
> learn, the grammar can be pretty tough if you don't know related languages
> like Anieosizieio and Sizo; in particular, the weird system of cases and
> tenses can be hard to remember if you aren't a bit mathematically
> inclined. However, it came naturally to me for some reason.
That *is* impressive. For me, the transition from Asieoniezi to English
was quite difficult. I've often thought it would have been made easier
if I had learned a 300-word language first, rather than jumping straight
to English.
>
>
> Asieoniezi! Asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi, asieoniezi asieoniezi
> asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi
> asieoniezi. Asieoniezi asieoniezi; asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi
> asieoniezi asieoniezi. Asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi
> asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi-asieoniezi asieoniezi. (Asieoniezi
> asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi!)
Asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi. Asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi.
Asieoniezi-asieoniezi asieoniezi, asieoniezi asieoniezi. Asieoniezi
asieoniezi "asieoniezi"! asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi
asieoniezi asieoniezi... asieoniezi.
>
> Asieoniezi,
> jb
Asieoniezi!
--
-Jay
Asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi. -Kibo
(translated
into Asieoniezi
by me!)
Lupus Yonderboy
>In article <73ivjesE...@panix.com> jay...@panix.com (Jay C. Jachimiak) writes:
>asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi
>asieoniezi asieoniezi. Asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi
>asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi-asieoniezi asieoniezi. (Asieoniezi
>asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi!)
It seems that asieoniezi is closely related to the Smurf language.
Although Smurf is closely based on English, (or on German depending
on what country you view them from. Opa Schlumpf. Ha!), Smurf has
the ability to substitute the word "Smurf" for everything from a
glass of water, to the naughty bits of Smurfette, thus causing a
great deal of confusion when people who don't really know the language
try to speak it.
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Craig Dickson
= In article <skypilot...@netcom.com>,
= Kirk Holland Vestal <skyp...@netcom.com> wrote:
=
= $Let me guess: you are a white, protestant, male teenager, right?
= $Everybody else thinks, acts, and has the same education and experience
= $as you, right? Anybody who differs from you is inferior and deserves
= $your own righteous abuse?
=
= AAAA. AAA. AAAA.
No fair using acronyms in a language that has only one word!
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Kirk Holland Vestal
There are very few speakers of Guarani. It is spoken in Paraguay, where
I served in the Paraguayn Army, married a Paraguayn and fathered some
mini-Paraguyans. Nivacle is spoken in Paraguay and some northern parts
of Argentina near the Bolivian border.
Joporaalso is from mostly Paraguay.
john baez (ba...@guitar.ucr.edu) wrote:
john baez
>Let me guess: you are a white, protestant, male teenager, right?
You got about 1.5 out of 4; I can never remember if I'm "white" or
"Hispanic".
>Everybody else thinks, acts, and has the same education and experience
>as you, right? Anybody who differs from you is inferior and deserves
>your own righteous abuse?
Only if their giant "H" is smaller than mine. Say, do you read
alt.religion.kibology a lot? It's probably good to do so before posting
to it as you just did.
>There are very few speakers of Guarani. It is spoken in Paraguay, where
>I served in the Paraguayn Army, married a Paraguayn and fathered some
>mini-Paraguyans. Nivacle is spoken in Paraguay and some northern parts
>of Argentina near the Bolivian border.
>Joporaalso is from mostly Paraguay.
Interesting stuff, actually. I seem to have heard of Guarani for some
reason; I wonder how I would have.
james dolan
Kirk Holland Vestal <skyp...@netcom.com> wrote:
$Let me guess: you are a white, protestant, male teenager, right?
$Everybody else thinks, acts, and has the same education and experience
$as you, right? Anybody who differs from you is inferior and deserves
$your own righteous abuse?
AAAA. AAA. AAAA.
Craig Dickson
= I seem to have heard of Guarani for some reason; I wonder how I would have.
Maybe you're thinking of Lani Guinier or Rudolph Guiliani.
john baez
True. While the pronounciation doesn't usually take long for people to
learn, the grammar can be pretty tough if you don't know related languages
like Anieosizieio and Sizo; in particular, the weird system of cases and
tenses can be hard to remember if you aren't a bit mathematically
inclined. However, it came naturally to me for some reason.
>Since you can speak it, let's continue this in Asieoniezi:
>
>Asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi. Asieoniezi, asieoniezi-asieoniezi
>asieoniezi, asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi; asieoniezi. Asieoniezi?
>
>Asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi
>asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi, asieoniezi
>asieoniezi John, asieoniezi asieoniezi. asieoniezi:
>
> 1. asieoniezi
> 2. asieoniezi
> 3. asieoniezi
> 4. asieoniezi
> 5. asieoniezi
>
>Asieoniezi asieoniezi? Asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi.
Asieoniezi! Asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi, asieoniezi asieoniezi
asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi
asieoniezi. Asieoniezi asieoniezi; asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi
asieoniezi asieoniezi. Asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi
asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi-asieoniezi asieoniezi. (Asieoniezi
asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi!)
Asieoniezi,
jb
james dolan
>No fair using acronyms in a language that has only one word!
sorry, i thought i heard kibo say sil.
David DeLaney
>In article <2s53gs$2...@pandora.sdsu.edu> masc...@ucssun1.sdsu.edu writes:
>> It's really not so anomalous. If you run a cult, you simply get a
>>handle on the techniques of manipulating people into mass behavior before
>>said people *realize* that that's what they're doing.
>
>What's the difference between a cult and a religion? I think once the
>organization obtains enough money, it changes from a cult to a religion.
>
>Don't the Boy Scouts and the Army fall within your definition?
>
Dave "Hmmm; so does the Mafia" DeLaney
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Wolfgang Schwanke
>It seems that asieoniezi is closely related to the Smurf language.
>Although Smurf is closely based on English, (or on German depending
>on what country you view them from. Opa Schlumpf. Ha!), Smurf has
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Der Grosse Schlumpf
>the ability to substitute the word "Smurf" for everything from a
>glass of water, to the naughty bits of Smurfette, thus causing a
^^^^^^^^^^
Schlumpfinchen
>great deal of confusion when people who don't really know the language
>try to speak it.
>Alex Suter
:)
Wolfgang
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Mark Vieselmeyer
It appears there's a newsgroup just for language stuff, so I'm cross-posting
this again, to get the expert (and perhaps unbiased) opinions of the folks
in sci.lang.
First, anyone ever heard of Igoroti? What do you think of the claim
(quoted below) that the entire language consists of just 300 words?
Mark Vieselmeyer (mvi...@boi.hp.com) wrote:
: wenge...@ccsua.ctstateu.edu wrote:
: : The Vocabularies of Science
: : by L. Ron Hubbard
: : [ ... ]
: : I remember one time learning Igoroti, an Eastern primitive
wenge...@ccsua.ctstateu.edu
>
> It appears there's a newsgroup just for language stuff, so I'm cross-posting
> this again, to get the expert (and perhaps unbiased) opinions of the folks
> in sci.lang.
>
> First, anyone ever heard of Igoroti? What do you think of the claim
> (quoted below) that the entire language consists of just 300 words?
>
That was not the claim Mr. Vieselmeyer. Your addition of elipses have
changed the original statement's entire meaning. The original statement
by Hubbard was:
"I remember one time learning Igoroti, an Eastern primitive
language, in a single night. I sat up by kerosene lantern and
took a list of words that had been made by an old missionary in
the hills in Luzon -- the Igoroti had a very simple language.
This missionary had phoneticized their language and he had made a
list of their main words and their usage and grammar. And I
remember sitting up under a mosquito net with the mosquitoes
hungrily chomping their beaks just outside the net, and learning
this language -- three hundred words -- just memorizing these
words and what they meant. And the next day I started to get them
in line and align them with people, and was speaking Igoroti in a
very short time."
and not:
> Mark Vieselmeyer (mvi...@boi.hp.com) wrote:
> : wenge...@ccsua.ctstateu.edu wrote:
>
> : : The Vocabularies of Science
> : : by L. Ron Hubbard
> : : [ ... ]
> : : I remember one time learning Igoroti, an Eastern primitive
> : : language... the Igoroti had a very simple language... three hundred
> : : words... And the next day I... was speaking Igoroti in a very short
> : : time.
>
...
> : - mark
Your addition of elipses to the original quote, is not appreciated,
Mr. Vieselmeyer.
Chris Schafmeister
>In article <2sfri0$5...@hpbs3591.boi.hp.com>, mvi...@boi.hp.com (Mark Vieselmeyer) writes:
>>
>> It appears there's a newsgroup just for language stuff, so I'm cross-posting
>> this again, to get the expert (and perhaps unbiased) opinions of the folks
>> in sci.lang.
>>
>> First, anyone ever heard of Igoroti? What do you think of the claim
>> (quoted below) that the entire language consists of just 300 words?
>>
>That was not the claim Mr. Vieselmeyer. Your addition of elipses have
>changed the original statement's entire meaning. The original statement
>by Hubbard was:
> "I remember one time learning Igoroti, an Eastern primitive
> language, in a single night. I sat up by kerosene lantern and
> took a list of words that had been made by an old missionary in
> the hills in Luzon -- the Igoroti had a very simple language.
> This missionary had phoneticized their language and he had made a
> list of their main words and their usage and grammar. And I
> remember sitting up under a mosquito net with the mosquitoes
> hungrily chomping their beaks just outside the net, and learning
> this language -- three hundred words -- just memorizing these
> words and what they meant. And the next day I started to get them
> in line and align them with people, and was speaking Igoroti in a
> very short time."
(Whoosh)
SCIENCE MAN here!
Mosquitos don't have "beaks".
My work is done here! Away!
(Whoosh)
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>Brian Wenger (wen...@ccsua.ctstateu.edu) Scientologist since 1981
.Chris.
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Brian Wenger, Information Systems, CCSU
> wenge...@ccsua.ctstateu.edu writes:
>
...
>
>>That was not the claim Mr. Vieselmeyer. Your addition of elipses have
>>changed the original statement's entire meaning. The original statement
>>by Hubbard was:
>
>> "I remember one time learning Igoroti, an Eastern primitive
>> language, in a single night. I sat up by kerosene lantern and
>> took a list of words that had been made by an old missionary in
>> the hills in Luzon -- the Igoroti had a very simple language.
>> This missionary had phoneticized their language and he had made a
>> list of their main words and their usage and grammar. And I
>> remember sitting up under a mosquito net with the mosquitoes
>> hungrily chomping their beaks just outside the net, and learning
>> this language -- three hundred words -- just memorizing these
>> words and what they meant. And the next day I started to get them
>> in line and align them with people, and was speaking Igoroti in a
>> very short time."
>
> (Whoosh)
> SCIENCE MAN here!
> Mosquitos don't have "beaks".
> My work is done here! Away!
> (Whoosh)
>
(Lisa Simpson's voice from off the screen.)
THANK you Science Man! The literary pages of the world are safe
again!
> Christian E.A.F. Schafmeister Biophysics graduate student
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Brian Wenger (wen...@ccsua.ctstateu.edu) Scientologist since 1981
Rod Keller
Brian Wenger, Information Systems, CCSU <wenge...@ccsua.ctstateu.edu> wrote:
>In article <schaf.7...@cgl.ucsf.edu>, sc...@socrates.ucsf.edu (Chris Schafmeister) writes:
>> wenge...@ccsua.ctstateu.edu writes:
>> (Whoosh)
>> SCIENCE MAN here!
>> Mosquitos don't have "beaks".
>> My work is done here! Away!
>> (Whoosh)
>
>(Lisa Simpson's voice from off the screen.)
>
> THANK you Science Man! The literary pages of the world are safe
> again!
That's what I love about Brian. He always has something to add to the
conversation. :-( So how about it, Bri? What is the sound of one mosquito
beak clapping? Are you saying this is just a literary device? Sounds more
like he was making it up to me.
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Bill Newcomb
->jdo...@ucrmath.ucr.edu (james dolan) writes:
->= AAAA. AAA. AAAA.
->
->No fair using acronyms in a language that has only one word!
Unless the alphabet for that language only has one letter, then it
isn't an acronym, is it? An abbreviation, perhaps; it seems that if
the abbreviations were used enough they would become words rather rapidly
in said language (like radar) since a one-word language would be
starved for more variety (I don't mean this as any kind of a slight to
native speakers, just MHO). Speakers of english make up words all the
time when they can't find quite the appropriate fakrewna of meaning,
and as Andrew' Beckwith, has shown; punctuation is, just, as:mutable/.
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dkir...@csupomona.edu
> c...@netcom.com (Craig Dickson) writes
> ->jdo...@ucrmath.ucr.edu (james dolan) writes:
> ->= AAAA. AAA. AAAA.
> ->
> ->No fair using acronyms in a language that has only one word!
>
> Unless the alphabet for that language only has one letter, then it
> isn't an acronym, is it? An abbreviation, perhaps; it seems that if
> the abbreviations were used enough they would become words rather rapidly
> in said language (like radar) since a one-word language would be
> starved for more variety (I don't mean this as any kind of a slight to
> native speakers, just MHO). Speakers of english make up words all the
> time when they can't find quite the appropriate fakrewna of meaning,
> and as Andrew' Beckwith, has shown; punctuation is, just, as:mutable/.
and that's the real beauty of Asieoniezi....in it you can make up word's
for thoughts, concepts, ideas, even feelings. For example, right now I'm
feeling so asieoniezi!!!! See how it works? And any word in english could
certainly be translated into Asieoniezi. Take for example, "hypoallergenic".
In any other language, this could be a real catastrophy to translate, but
in Asienoiezi, it's a simply as "asieoniezi, asieoniezi". See?
good luck with all of your future asieoniezi!
p.s. you were just trolling on that part about asieoniezi having more
than one letter, weren't you? yeah, I thought so.
d'ibo
David DeLaney
>and that's the real beauty of Asieoniezi....in it you can make up word's
>for thoughts, concepts, ideas, even feelings. For example, right now I'm
>feeling so asieoniezi!!!! See how it works? And any word in english could
>certainly be translated into Asieoniezi. Take for example, "hypoallergenic".
>In any other language, this could be a real catastrophy to translate, but
>in Asienoiezi, it's a simply as "asieoniezi, asieoniezi". See?
Wait a second, are you *sure* "hypoallergenic" doesn't translate into
"asieoniezi" (or possibly "asieoniezi (asieoniezi): asieoniezi")?
>good luck with all of your future asieoniezi!
>p.s. you were just trolling on that part about asieoniezi having more
> than one letter, weren't you? yeah, I thought so.
Nope, it only has one: (all together now) "ASIEONIEZI". It just looks
different at different places in the word, like that long s in old Englifh
documents that resembles a "g".
>d'ibo
Dave "if you intend to claim that, say so, so I can update the FAQ" DeLaney
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Temple Casias
: and that's the real beauty of Asieoniezi....in it you can make up word's
: for thoughts, concepts, ideas, even feelings. For example, right now I'm
: feeling so asieoniezi!!!! See how it works? And any word in english could
: certainly be translated into Asieoniezi. Take for example, "hypoallergenic".
: In any other language, this could be a real catastrophy to translate, but
: in Asienoiezi, it's a simply as "asieoniezi, asieoniezi". See?
And a big flying asieoniezi to you for that contribution ;)
T.C.
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john baez
>dkir...@csupomona.edu writes:
>>And any word in english could
>>certainly be translated into Asieoniezi. Take for example, "hypoallergenic".
>>In any other language, this could be a real catastrophy to translate, but
>>in Asienoiezi, it's a simply as "asieoniezi, asieoniezi". See?
>Wait a second, are you *sure* "hypoallergenic" doesn't translate into
>"asieoniezi" (or possibly "asieoniezi (asieoniezi): asieoniezi")?
I think you're both sort of right. "Hypoallergenic" as a medical term
is "asieoniezi, asieoniezi" (4th tone, 12th tone), but there is also a
colloquial term "asieoniezi" (6th tone) that can be translated into
English as "hypoallergenic," though it has connotations of blandness
too.
Ilya Boris Shambat
DON'T YOU LOVE THE SOUNDS OF A HELPLESS NEWBIE NEGOTIATING HIS WAY
THROUGH THE NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST?
NUCLEAR HUGS AND RADIOACTIVE KISSES,
DR. ROCKET.
james dolan
-dkir...@csupomona.edu writes:
-jdo...@ucrmath.ucr.edu (james dolan) writes:
->= AAAA. AAA. AAAA.
-
-
- DON'T YOU LOVE THE SOUNDS OF A HELPLESS NEWBIE NEGOTIATING HIS WAY
-
- THROUGH THE NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST?
indeed.
dkir...@csupomona.edu
meta-meta-troll. I'm fallllllliiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnggggggggg..........
d'ibo