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icediver

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Oct 4, 2001, 12:15:11 AM10/4/01
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Two wrongs don't make a right, but in Usenet if enough people
repeat a wrong enough times it becomes a right. Not sure what
this law is called, but I've noticed it in enough newsgroups now
that somebody's name must be on it. Anybody know?


Larry Shilkoff

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Oct 4, 2001, 12:44:23 AM10/4/01
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Hmmm. I can't say that I've heard that before. However, I can say with
authority that three rights make a left.

"icediver" <iced...@chorus.net> wrote in message
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db...@sprynet.com

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Oct 4, 2001, 12:56:49 AM10/4/01
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is it called PETE for repeat?????

Jammer Six

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Oct 4, 2001, 1:45:22 AM10/4/01
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In article <9pgnmm$205$1...@news.chorus.net>, icediver
<iced...@chorus.net> wrote:

€ Two wrongs don't make a right, but in Usenet if enough people


€ repeat a wrong enough times it becomes a right. Not sure what
€ this law is called, but I've noticed it in enough newsgroups now
€ that somebody's name must be on it. Anybody know?

We are amused.

We believe you, and we notice that all the groups you mention have one
thing in common.

In them, everyone disagreed with you.

It pleases us that you are an idiot in things besides scuba.

--
"Let's roll!"
-Todd Beamer, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001

Buck Frobisher

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Oct 4, 2001, 3:32:45 AM10/4/01
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Crossposting: fun, or just annoying?
--
"Stay calm. Be brave. Wait for the signs."

regards,

Frank Johansen
Aurora, Ontario

"Jammer Six" <jam...@invalid.oz.net> wrote in message
news:9pgt1i$7sq$1...@216.39.146.232...


> In article <9pgnmm$205$1...@news.chorus.net>, icediver
> <iced...@chorus.net> wrote:
>

> ? Two wrongs don't make a right, but in Usenet if enough people
> ? repeat a wrong enough times it becomes a right. Not sure what
> ? this law is called, but I've noticed it in enough newsgroups now
> ? that somebody's name must be on it. Anybody know?

NE333RO

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Oct 4, 2001, 6:29:18 AM10/4/01
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>"Let's roll!"
> -Todd Beamer, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001

I like the new sig Jammer. Fitting.

Popeye

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Oct 4, 2001, 6:53:10 AM10/4/01
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>From: "icediver" iced...@chorus.net
>Date: 10/4/01 12:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <9pgnmm$205$1...@news.chorus.net>

It's called "Quackster's law of having sockpuppets 'cause no one else will
agree"

Or "Fudd syndrome" for short.

Popeye
Never underestimate the power of
very stupid people in large groups.

zxcvbob

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Oct 4, 2001, 8:51:53 AM10/4/01
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If your hypothesis were true, it would be an example of the "Big Lie"
principle. HTH :-)

Bob

"Just when I think you've said the stupidest thing ever, you keep
talkin'" --Hank Hill

icediver

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Oct 4, 2001, 9:57:55 AM10/4/01
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Jammer's Law? No, that one says that in any newsgroup, opinions
will always outnumber facts by a wide margin.

Jammer Six <jam...@invalid.oz.net> wrote in message news:<9pgt1i$7sq$1...@216.39.146.232>...

> In article <9pgnmm$205$1...@news.chorus.net>, icediver
> <iced...@chorus.net> wrote:
>

> &#8364; Two wrongs don't make a right, but in Usenet if enough people
> &#8364; repeat a wrong enough times it becomes a right. Not sure what
> &#8364; this law is called, but I've noticed it in enough newsgroups now
> &#8364; that somebody's name must be on it. Anybody know?

Eric Moesle

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Oct 4, 2001, 10:12:09 AM10/4/01
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Just what in the hell are you even talking about???

"icediver" <iced...@chorus.net> wrote in message

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PhoneDude

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Oct 4, 2001, 10:14:58 AM10/4/01
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"Eric Moesle" <eric....@att.net> wrote in message
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> Just what in the hell are you even talking about???

You know what's really funny? Someone called "icediver" calling
someone else an idiot. After all, what kind of person dives in
freezing water? Yes, that's right.

PD

Jammer Six

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Oct 4, 2001, 12:53:59 PM10/4/01
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In article <20011004062918...@mb-mp.aol.com>, NE333RO
<ne3...@aol.com> wrote:

€ >"Let's roll!"


€ > -Todd Beamer, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001
€
€ I like the new sig Jammer. Fitting.

Thanks.

I have three new ones, and one old one.

--
"We're going to rush the hijackers."
-Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001

Jammer Six

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Oct 4, 2001, 12:54:38 PM10/4/01
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In article <Z6_u7.30361$WW.18...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
Eric Moesle <eric....@att.net> wrote:

€ Just what in the hell are you even talking about???

He never knows.

icediver

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Oct 4, 2001, 10:42:56 PM10/4/01
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The Big Lie principle! By golly, I think that's it! I'm
still looking for a listing of Usenet Laws, from Godwin's
(reference to Nazis loses argument) to Krause's (5 or more
people condemning 1 person means the 1 wins) to ??.

zxcvbob <b...@a51web.net> wrote in message news:<3BBC5B69...@a51web.net>...

Dennis (Icarus)

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Oct 4, 2001, 11:05:41 PM10/4/01
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"icediver" <iced...@chorus.net> wrote in message
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> The Big Lie principle! By golly, I think that's it! I'm
> still looking for a listing of Usenet Laws, from Godwin's
> (reference to Nazis loses argument) to Krause's (5 or more
> people condemning 1 person means the 1 wins) to ??.

First I've heard about this Krause's law.
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/

As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison
involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.

Godwin's law has been empirically verified time & time again. Where is the
empirical evidence of this so-called 'Krause's law'? ;-)

I believe Krause's law is incorrect, as it ignores content. The one could
post something obviously wrong, say using a hot mix at depth beyond the
gas's MOD, get condemned for it, then claim 'victory'. He can do that, as he
can think whatever he likes, but it does not make it so.

Dennis

icediver

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Oct 6, 2001, 9:28:21 PM10/6/01
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Then there's the law of misinterpretation so common to Usenet,
as aptly demonstrated by you, Ickypus. Besides the law of
obsession with a poster, the big lie principle, two wrongs,
plus others, exemplified in many of your posts. Don't you
have something important to do, like clean your room maybe?

"Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojun...@ever.invalid> wrote in message news:<4q9v7.24827$S27.1...@e420r-atl2.usenetserver.com>...

Dennis (Icarus)

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Oct 7, 2001, 8:17:54 AM10/7/01
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"icediver" <iced...@chorus.net> wrote in message
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> Then there's the law of misinterpretation so common to Usenet,
> as aptly demonstrated by you, Ickypus. Besides the law of
> obsession with a poster, the big lie principle, two wrongs,
> plus others, exemplified in many of your posts. Don't you
> have something important to do, like clean your room maybe?

Well, lets see....you ask about Usenet laws, I provide information about
Usenet laws, and you then attack me. If yo don't want replies to questions,
DON'T ASK.
Of course you ignored my refutation of "krause's law". Have a counter, or do
you accept my point?

Feel free to dig through google & find examples of my lies, two wrongs, etc.

Dennis

<snip>

Buffiebufy

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Oct 16, 2001, 7:58:09 PM10/16/01
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> It's called "Quackster's law of having sockpuppets 'cause no one else will
>agree"
>
> Or "Fudd syndrome" for short.
>
>
> Popeye
> Never underestimate the power of
> very stupid people in large groups.

Typical sissy poopeye. We should nuke him like the rest of McVeigh lookalike
cowards.

Dennis (Icarus)

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Oct 16, 2001, 10:00:25 PM10/16/01
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"Buffiebufy" <buffi...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20011016195809...@mb-cg.aol.com...

I count seven wrong items in the above two sentences. You've got to be a
sock puppet for black.

Dennis

Popeye

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Oct 17, 2001, 10:02:27 PM10/17/01
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I figgered it for a apoplexy. I find it hard to be intimidated by anyone named
Buffy. Quack is really scraping now.

Dennis (Icarus)

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Oct 17, 2001, 11:02:03 PM10/17/01
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"Popeye" <buzcu...@aol.comByte-me> wrote in message
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> >
> >"Buffiebufy" <buffi...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:20011016195809...@mb-cg.aol.com...
> >>
> >> > It's called "Quackster's law of having sockpuppets 'cause no one else
> >will
> >> >agree"
> >> >
> >> > Or "Fudd syndrome" for short.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Popeye
> >> > Never underestimate the power of
> >> > very stupid people in large groups.
> >>
> >> Typical sissy poopeye. We should nuke him like the rest of McVeigh
> >lookalike
> >> cowards.
> >
> >I count seven wrong items in the above two sentences. You've got to be a
> >sock puppet for black.
> >
> >Dennis
> >
>
> I figgered it for a apoplexy. I find it hard to be intimidated by anyone
named
> Buffy. Quack is really scraping now.

What do you mean...now?
Hasn't he been scraping since he's been here?

Dennis

Popeye

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Oct 18, 2001, 7:10:42 AM10/18/01
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>> I figgered it for a apoplexy. I find it hard to be intimidated by anyone
>named
>> Buffy. Quack is really scraping now.
>
>What do you mean...now?
>Hasn't he been scraping since he's been here?
>
>Dennis
>

I stand corrected...

Dennis (Icarus)

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Oct 18, 2001, 2:35:33 PM10/18/01
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"Popeye" <buzcu...@aol.comByte-me> wrote in message
news:20011018071042...@mb-ct.aol.com...

> >> I figgered it for a apoplexy. I find it hard to be intimidated by
anyone
> >named
> >> Buffy. Quack is really scraping now.
> >
> >What do you mean...now?
> >Hasn't he been scraping since he's been here?
> >
> >Dennis
> >
>
> I stand corrected...

Glad to assist, brother.

Dennis

Buffiebufy

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Oct 18, 2001, 4:57:13 PM10/18/01
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>
> I stand corrected...
>
>
> Popeye
> Never underestimate the power of
> very stupid people in large groups.

You stand corrected like Wimpy. Just like McVeigh, an embarrassment to the
marine corps. You ought to be deported where you belong.

Ross Bagley

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Oct 18, 2001, 6:09:43 PM10/18/01
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In article <20011018165713...@mb-md.aol.com>,
Buffiebufy <buffi...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> I stand corrected...

>You stand corrected like Wimpy. Just like McVeigh, an embarrassment to the
>marine corps. You ought to be deported where you belong.

1 point (of 10). Black, if you're going to flame someone, use
English. This pigin "moron-speak" that you've cooked up simply
doesn't cut it.

Also, get a better name for your next account. icediver was a pretty
good nick actually, but this new moniker simply won't do.

Regards,
Ross

-- Ross Bagley http://rossbagley.com/rba
"Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature...
Life is either a daring adventure or nothing." -- Helen Keller

Popeye

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Oct 18, 2001, 7:19:41 PM10/18/01
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>Subject: Re: In Usenet, Two Wrongs Make a Right
>From: buffi...@aol.com (Buffiebufy)
>Date: 10/18/01 4:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20011018165713...@mb-md.aol.com>

Does this make 10 yet? Sockpuppets, I mean?

Fishbre396

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Oct 19, 2001, 4:01:43 PM10/19/01
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In article <20011018165713...@mb-md.aol.com>, buffi...@aol.com
(Buffiebufy) writes:

>Date: 18 Oct 2001 20:57:13 GMT
>ooooohhhh, Popeye ain't gonna like that . . .

Popeye

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Oct 19, 2001, 4:58:08 PM10/19/01
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>From: fishb...@aol.comnojunk (Fishbre396)
>Date: 10/19/01 4:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20011019160143...@nso-ft.aol.com>


First, Fish, who could tell what you'd written? Second, McVeigh wasn't X-.
Third, I'd give a lot to be tall and skinny.

There's only one person on the net whos diatribe makes less sense and impact
than you.

The two of you belong together.

Popeye

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Oct 19, 2001, 4:59:24 PM10/19/01
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>From: scott...@yahoo.com (Scott)
>Date: 10/19/01 11:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <9cf660b7.0110...@posting.google.com>
>
>X-No-Archive: yes
>
>buffi...@aol.com (MJ Black MD) wrote in message
>news:<20011016195809...@mb-cg.aol.com>...
>
>> Typical sissy poopeye.
>
>This is actually quite hilarious coming from a *complete* fool like
>you, using the handle "buffie"!

>
>>We should nuke him like the rest of McVeigh lookalike
>> cowards.
>
>We????
>
>You mean you and your house full of alter-ego's? in case you havent
>noticed, all your "friends" except the ones you fabricate have
>abandoned you.
>
><flush>
>
>

Two more personalities, and they can scrimmage.

icediver

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Oct 19, 2001, 7:29:36 PM10/19/01
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Congratulations, Buffiebufy, you are being classified
as one of my sockpuppets, and I hope you stick around
and taunt the morons like Popeye and Baglady (Bagley)
who believe it. There are many in this newsgroup who
are easily fooled, and will believe whatever they want.
If they repeat things enough, they think it becomes the
truth, just watch. Maybe that's why you have posted
here, but in case you didn't know, the morons also
believe I (icediver, Michael J. Black) was Carla
Fairbanks, joe_diver, jose buzo, IWannaScuba, plus
others. Stick around and harass them, they deserve
nothing better than to waste time trying to figure
out the truth. Hey Popeye, I have NEVER had an AOL
account. Watch the foolishness now, and remember
that in Usenet (especially rec.scuba) two wrongs make
a right. Good going!

buffi...@aol.com (Buffiebufy) wrote in message news:<20011018165713...@mb-md.aol.com>...

Ross Bagley

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Oct 19, 2001, 7:48:59 PM10/19/01
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In article <21ee0662.01101...@posting.google.com>,
icediver <iced...@chorus.net> wrote:

>Congratulations, Buffiebufy, you are being classified as one of my
>sockpuppets,

Er, it *is* you, black. There aren't two adults with the mind of an
oxygen-deprived ten-year-old who post in the exact same way, who burst
clean from the woodwork and start attacking the exact same people you
do, using the exact same moron-speak that you invented.

>and I hope you stick around and taunt the morons like Popeye and
>Baglady (Bagley) who believe it.

Dude, you forgot to call Popeye by your infantile name for him. I'm
disappointed. At least you used your infantile name for me. It's so
nice to see a mature and well-adjusted debater who goes straight for
the important points.

>There are many in this newsgroup who are easily fooled, and will
>believe whatever they want. If they repeat things enough, they think
>it becomes the truth, just watch. Maybe that's why you have posted
>here, but in case you didn't know, the morons also believe I
>(icediver, Michael J. Black) was Carla Fairbanks, joe_diver, jose
>buzo, IWannaScuba, plus others.

I'll agree that I was wrong with Ms. Fairbanks. As for the rest,
the evidence remains compelling, and no better theory has surfaced
in the time since they mysteriously went away.

>Stick around and harass them, they deserve
>nothing better than to waste time trying to figure
>out the truth. Hey Popeye, I have NEVER had an AOL
>account.

Yeah, they make those accounts pretty tough to get. I only saw AOL
free signup disks in three of the stores I went into today.

Popeye

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Oct 19, 2001, 8:19:45 PM10/19/01
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>From: Spanky

> Hey Popeye, I have NEVER had an AOL
>account.

Liar.

You have been caught red-handed here lying about sockpuppets. Your ability to
lie is a documented fact, which is one of several reasons why you are an
international laughing stock.

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Popeye

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Popeye

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Fishbre396

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In article <20011019165808...@mb-ba.aol.com>,
buzcu...@aol.comByte-me (Popeye) writes:

Popidiot, you can't read, can you . .. I said "you wouldn't like that" I
never said anything about Mc Veigh,

Fishbre396

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Oct 19, 2001, 9:50:16 PM10/19/01
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In article <20011019160143...@nso-ft.aol.com>,
fishb...@aol.comnojunk (Fishbre396) writes:

>In article <20011018165713...@mb-md.aol.com>, buffi...@aol.com
>(Buffiebufy) writes:
>
>>Date: 18 Oct 2001 20:57:13 GMT

>>ooooohhhh, Popeye ain't gonna like that . . . (fishbreath wrote this!)
>>>
>>> I stand corrected... (I don't know who wrote that!)


>>>
>>>
>>> Popeye
>>> Never underestimate the power of
>>> very stupid people in large groups.
>>
>>You stand corrected like Wimpy. Just like McVeigh, an embarrassment to the

>>marine corps. You ought to be deported where you belong. (fishbre did not
write this!)
>
>


Fishbre396

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Oct 19, 2001, 9:50:16 PM10/19/01
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In article <20011019201945...@mb-fu.aol.com>,
buzcu...@aol.comByte-me (Popeye) writes:

Proof that Popeye has no life.

Popeye

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>From: fishb...@aol.comnojunk (Fishbre396)
>Date: 10/19/01 9:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20011019215016...@nso-cf.aol.com>

>
>In article <20011019201945...@mb-fu.aol.com>,
>buzcu...@aol.comByte-me (Popeye) writes:
>
>Proof that Popeye has no life.
>

Compared to who?

Popeye

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>From: fishb...@aol.comnojunk (Fishbre396)
>Date: 10/19/01 9:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20011019215017...@nso-cf.aol.com>

Back in the basement, and learn how to post.

carla fairbanques

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icediver wrote
>in case you didn't know, the morons also
> believe I (icediver, Michael J. Black) was Carla
> Fairbanks,

In your dreams big boy. You may be good Dr Black, but you are not that good.

chilly

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Stop it now . . . don't make us all suffer when we already know . . .

Popeye <buzcu...@aol.comByte-me> wrote in message

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icediver

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Careful now Fishbre396, Popeye will now think you too
are a Doctor Black sockpuppet. And remember that Popeye
and his moronic pals think that the more you repeat a
wrong, it becomes a right. LOL.

fishb...@aol.comnojunk (Fishbre396) wrote in message news:<20011019215016...@nso-cf.aol.com>...

Popeye

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>From: iced...@chorus.net (icediver)
>Date: 10/20/01 8:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <21ee0662.01102...@posting.google.com>

>
>Careful now Fishbre396, Popeye will now think you too
>are a Doctor Black sockpuppet. And remember that Popeye
>and his moronic pals think that the more you repeat a
>wrong, it becomes a right. LOL.
>

Ah, no, Doc, it takes a certain easily identifiable level of witless
stupidity to be a Quackpuppet, and Fish has a style of witless stupidity all
her own.

icediver

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Oct 21, 2001, 12:12:07 AM10/21/01
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Ya know, the long-since departed Carla Fairbanks was an
outstanding flamer, PADI basher, Popeye teaser, and
generally entertaining person. Checking your very brief
posting history makes me wonder...are you really back?

recdo...@crosswinds.net (carla fairbanques) wrote in message news:<288ba32f.0110...@posting.google.com>...

carla fairbanques

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iced...@chorus.net (icediver) wrote
> Ya know, the long-since departed Carla Fairbanks was an
> outstanding flamer, PADI basher, Popeye teaser, and
> generally entertaining person.

Carla worship rating - 8 our of 10.

icediver

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Oct 21, 2001, 10:01:54 AM10/21/01
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Whatever you wanna believe, child. And thanks for the
hero worship, as always.

buzcu...@aol.comByte-me (Popeye) wrote in message news:<20011020160851...@mb-cn.aol.com>...

Buffiebufy

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>
> Ah, no, Doc, it takes a certain easily identifiable level of witless
>stupidity to be a Quackpuppet, and Fish has a style of witless stupidity all
>her own.
>
>
> Popeye
> Never underestimate the power of
> very stupid people in large groups.

Poopy Dog sounds like a real drag queen. Yuck, yuck, yuck... Oh, I'm not Bleck
you fool.

Ross Bagley

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Oct 21, 2001, 12:41:16 PM10/21/01
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In article <21ee0662.01102...@posting.google.com>,

icediver <iced...@chorus.net> wrote:
>Careful now Fishbre396, Popeye will now think you too
>are a Doctor Black sockpuppet.

Actually, we know that Fish is from Ohio while you are from somewhere
in Wisconsin. Fish also has a real name that some of us have written
evidence of (from a Dive Training trial subscription). Finally, Fish
doesn't seem to be missing all of her faculties, but there is a
complete and total absence of a clue WRT the world around her. You,
on the other hand, seem well aware of the world around you, but you
seem so apoplectic at the way your life turned out that you're only
able to function at the intellectual level of a 8-9 year old.

As for Carla, while she did start her rec.scuba career slamming
OldSalt (which is what led most of us to initially believe she was
you), her posting style was too coherent. She used complete
sentences. Since nobody could believe that you were capable of faking
that, it became clear that Carla was in fact someone else.

None of your sockpuppets have any similar information to reveal, but
all it would take to convince me that I was wrong is a phone number or
other testable contact information that clearly shows they're not the
same person.

Otherwise, I'm going with the theory that anyone who posts name-
calling insults worthy of the first grade playground into a newsgroup
where you have to be in the sixth grade to have a cert is really you,
no matter how many times you assert that you aren't.

So, the response is now up to your suspected alter-ego, Buff...
Bufi... whatever, to post something to back up the rather astonishing
assertion that it is not the same person as you. I.e. that there is a
second town desperately searching for their idiot. I don't give high
hopes for this development. I expect to hear many excuses about why
that entity wishes to remain anonymous, the dangers of revealing any
personal information on the web (check the website in my .sig),
whatever. We all know it's you, black. You look rather silly talking
to yourself.

>And remember that Popeye and his moronic pals think that the more you
>repeat a wrong, it becomes a right. LOL.

Dude, you're the one making the suprising and unsubstantiated assertion
here. As soon as you stop laughing, check your argumentative assumptions:
argument by repeated assertion, isn't.

icediver

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Oct 21, 2001, 10:16:04 PM10/21/01
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Welcome back!! And I'm sure you know that the fact that
we both disappeared at the same time Deja was acquired by
Google (Feb. 01) gives the morons further 'proof' that you
and I are sockpuppets. What took you so long? I'll bet
you've been real-diving, not cyber-diving.

recdo...@crosswinds.net (carla fairbanques) wrote in message news:<288ba32f.01102...@posting.google.com>...

chilly

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LSHTTRDML!

Step up to the clue bar.

icediver <iced...@chorus.net> wrote in message
news:21ee0662.01102...@posting.google.com...

Ross Bagley

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In article <21ee0662.01102...@posting.google.com>,
icediver <iced...@chorus.net> wrote:
>Welcome back!! And I'm sure you know that the fact that
>we both disappeared at the same time Deja was acquired by
>Google (Feb. 01) gives the morons further 'proof' that you
>and I are sockpuppets. What took you so long? I'll bet
>you've been real-diving, not cyber-diving.

black, that's not really a person named "Carla". That's the
only ticket for the clue train I'll give you.

icediver

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r...@jump.net (Ross Bagley) wrote in message news:<xYLA7.231$dy1.209082@news20>...

> black, that's not really a person named "Carla". That's the
> only ticket for the clue train I'll give you.


HAHAHAHAHA! More hypocrisy from the usual one-dimensionals.
You folks must have great parties! And shitty, you're closer
to DIR than you realize.

http://x54.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=699945772

He who laughs last laughs best.

Ross Bagley

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In article <21ee0662.01102...@posting.google.com>,
icediver <iced...@chorus.net> wrote:
>r...@jump.net (Ross Bagley) wrote in message
>news:<xYLA7.231$dy1.209082@news20>...
>> black, that's not really a person named "Carla". That's the
>> only ticket for the clue train I'll give you.

>HAHAHAHAHA! More hypocrisy from the usual one-dimensionals.

Hm. Not sure how you got hypocrisy. I don't think you know what
the word means. Reread what I wrote, this time just read the
first sentence, and go slow because the bigger words may be
harder for you to figure out.

Ah, what the hell, I'll have pity.

"carla fairbanques" is someone else's sockpuppet, not the other
idiot of rec.scuba, "Carla Fairbanks". "Carla Fairbanks" hasn't
been seen here in a long time. Essentially, she finally got the
hint that she wasn't liked and went away. We haven't been so
lucky with you, but I'll tell you what you could get me for
Christmas...

>You folks must have great parties! And shitty, you're closer
>to DIR than you realize.

But black! My name's Baglady!

*You* only get one infantile name to call me so get it straight.

>http://x54.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=699945772
>
>He who laughs last laughs best.

He who laughs hysterically in the padded room laughs the best.
But the rest of us in the real world often have better things to
do.

Oh, and what in the hell does that link have to do with me? I
could care less how many different nicknames or sockpuppets
GI3 has. Here's another long word for you: relevancy. Look
it up.

Bob Crownfield

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more sheet from the icewhole diver.

Dan Bracuk

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Ross Bagley wrote
> black, that's not really a person named "Carla".

That's right. I'm not a person, I'm a goddess.

Keep that Carla worship coming.

icediver

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Hey Baglady, are you obsessed with icediver? I mean you
tail me like a shadow, pitiful one. I'd bet easily one
in four posts from you either is in response to me, or
mentions my name. I am honored by the worship, but maybe
you should get a life, or at least one other newsgroup.
Sorry, but I don't honor you with mutual obsession.

r...@jump.net (Ross Bagley) wrote in message news:<d2%A7.278$dy1.237896@news20>...

Ross Bagley

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Oct 22, 2001, 11:48:14 PM10/22/01
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In article <21ee0662.01102...@posting.google.com>,
icediver <iced...@chorus.net> wrote:
>Hey Baglady, are you obsessed with icediver? I mean you
>tail me like a shadow, pitiful one. I'd bet easily one
>in four posts from you either is in response to me, or
>mentions my name.

That would be an easy bet to win, even with this post. Your assertions
are fun to demolish and shouldn't be left unanswered because some
newbie might be confused into thinking that you have the first clue
about diving.

>I am honored by the worship, but maybe
>you should get a life, or at least one other newsgroup.
>Sorry, but I don't honor you with mutual obsession.

Couldn't be bothered to acknowledge that I was doing you a favor by
pointing out the actual identity of "carla fairbanques" could you?

Yeah, much better that you just attack me. Classic "ad hominem"
argumentative fallacy (without even an argument to make).

You are a child, black. A mental midget and a shoolyard bully
all wrapped up in a pissed off 60 year old excuse for a man's
body.

Whatever. Back into the killfile with you. I'll see you when
you post from yet another email address.

Popeye

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>Whatever. Back into the killfile with you. I'll see you when
>you post from yet another email address.
>
>Regards,
>Ross
>

Black: How many pockpuppets have you had?

Jack Farmer

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UN-LIKE YOU of course.


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Doug, I guess I have to invite icediver to next years seahorse dive. I see he
still generates some unusual responses.


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SkydiveJem

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Oct 23, 2001, 1:51:23 PM10/23/01
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Dan,

Are you really the puppeteer behind Carla?

I'm shocked! I think I'll give up trying to guess which sock puppet belongs to
which person. You guys are way too good at it.

Joan

Dan Bracuk

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buzcu...@aol.comByte-me (Popeye) wrote
> Black: How many pockpuppets have you had?

Dr Black, compliments to you for inspiring yet another hero worship
thread. Twice in one week Popeye has pounded the keyboard for no
other reason than to display to the entire newsgroup just how much he
adores you. Well done.

Dan Bracuk
Toronto, Canada
Standard Womanism #1 - Don't crap in the bathroom, it'll stink.
Best of Rec.Scuba http://www.chaoticarts.com/~scuba/

Dan Bracuk

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skydi...@aol.com (SkydiveJem) wrote
>You guys are way too good at it.

If I was that good I wouldn't have posted from the wrong browswer
window without even previewing.

In any event, the first time I did it, there should have been no
doubt, and probably wasn't.

icediver

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Oct 23, 2001, 9:41:01 PM10/23/01
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r...@jump.net (Ross Bagley) wrote in message news:<2M5B7.299$dy1.250707@news20>...

> Couldn't be bothered to acknowledge that I was doing you a favor by
> pointing out the actual identity of "carla fairbanques" could you?

Oh man, thanks, that was incredibly relevant to diving.

> You are a child, black. A mental midget and a shoolyard bully
> all wrapped up in a pissed off 60 year old excuse for a man's
> body.

Whoo Hoo! I'm 60 years old, says the Baglady. Try 47, mistaken
one. And who's pissed off?



> Whatever. Back into the killfile with you. I'll see you when
> you post from yet another email address.

Yes, PLEASE killfile me. And I hope I never see you on my tail
again. There will be others of your ilk no doubt. And guess
what ilksters, I am only icediver, no sockpuppets (NONE), as of
my first appearance here in February 01, when Google bought Deja.

icediver

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Oct 23, 2001, 9:57:39 PM10/23/01
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r...@jump.net (Ross Bagley) wrote in message news:<2M5B7.299$dy1.250707@news20>...

> Couldn't be bothered to acknowledge that I was doing you a favor by
> pointing out the actual identity of "carla fairbanques" could you?

What a favor, and so relevant to diving too.



> You are a child, black. A mental midget and a shoolyard bully
> all wrapped up in a pissed off 60 year old excuse for a man's
> body.

Whoo Hoo, the baglady says I'm 60 years old! Try 47, mistaken one.
And, um, who's pissed off?

> Whatever. Back into the killfile with you. I'll see you when
> you post from yet another email address.

Good, PLEASE killfile me, and I hope I never see you on my tail
again. But there will be others of your ilk, no doubt. BTW
ilksters, I have been only icediver (NO SOCKPUPPETS, NONE) since
my first appearance here in Feb. 01, when Google bought Deja.
But you can believe what you want...many do.

Popeye

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>From: bra...@axxent.ca (Dan Bracuk)
>Date: 10/23/01 8:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <5f689eea.01102...@posting.google.com>

>
>buzcu...@aol.comByte-me (Popeye) wrote
>> Black: How many pockpuppets have you had?
>
>Dr Black, compliments to you for inspiring yet another hero worship
>thread. Twice in one week Popeye has pounded the keyboard for no
>other reason than to display to the entire newsgroup just how much he
>adores you. Well done.
>
>Dan Bracuk
>Toronto, Canada

Thank you for your display on my display.

And your continual response in this category is what level of adoration?

Dennis (Icarus)

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"icediver" <iced...@chorus.net> wrote in message
news:21ee0662.01102...@posting.google.com...
> r...@jump.net (Ross Bagley) wrote in message
news:<2M5B7.299$dy1.250707@news20>...
<snip>

>
> Good, PLEASE killfile me, and I hope I never see you on my tail
> again. But there will be others of your ilk, no doubt. BTW
> ilksters, I have been only icediver (NO SOCKPUPPETS, NONE) since
> my first appearance here in Feb. 01, when Google bought Deja.
> But you can believe what you want...many do.

But you've been inflicting yourself on rec.scuba for far longer.
I note you omitted that time.

Dennis

Popeye

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>From: Dr. Dirtbag:

>Whoo Hoo, the baglady says I'm 60 years old! Try 47, mistaken one.

We were going on physical appearance and catastrophic hair loss.

>BTW ilksters, I have been only icediver (NO SOCKPUPPETS, NONE) since
>my first appearance here in Feb. 01

Sorry, Elmer. Not only do you have a documented track record here as a liar,
but you've been caught slapass red handed telling this exact lie previously,
more than once.


WHHHHOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOO!

Bob Crownfield

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Oct 24, 2001, 12:25:48 AM10/24/01
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icediver wrote:
>
> r...@jump.net (Ross Bagley) wrote in message news:<2M5B7.299$dy1.250707@news20>...
> > Couldn't be bothered to acknowledge that I was doing you a favor by
> > pointing out the actual identity of "carla fairbanques" could you?
>
> Oh man, thanks, that was incredibly relevant to diving.
>
> > You are a child, black. A mental midget and a shoolyard bully
> > all wrapped up in a pissed off 60 year old excuse for a man's
> > body.
>
> Whoo Hoo! I'm 60 years old, says the Baglady. Try 47, mistaken
> one.


so you just look like 60?

Michael Wolf

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Oct 24, 2001, 3:59:41 AM10/24/01
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buzcu...@aol.comByte-me (Popeye) wrote in
news:20011023224736...@mb-ci.aol.com:

I think he simply likes you...

--
Michael Wolf

-----

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Ross Bagley

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Oct 24, 2001, 11:06:43 AM10/24/01
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In article <20011023230611...@mb-ci.aol.com>,

Popeye <buzcu...@aol.comByte-me> wrote:
>>From: Dr. Dirtbag:
>
>>Whoo Hoo, the baglady says I'm 60 years old! Try 47, mistaken one.
>
> We were going on physical appearance and catastrophic hair loss.

Yep. My dad is 57 years old, has smoked since he was 20, and he looks
decades younger than black.

The funniest part is: I didn't know his actual age and I thought I
would be generous at only calling him 60. If his assertion that he's
17 years older than me is even close, he ought to be a poster child
for whatever's actually wrong with him. My speculation about him
being passive aggressive could be a lifesaver for others on the same
path.

>>BTW ilksters, I have been only icediver (NO SOCKPUPPETS, NONE) since
>>my first appearance here in Feb. 01

> Sorry, Elmer. Not only do you have a documented track record here as a liar,
>but you've been caught slapass red handed telling this exact lie previously,
>more than once.

Note the date. Black thinks he's only been on rec.scuba since February
of this year. That's when he started posting as icediver, so he somehow
forgot about mjblackmd. There are a few possible explanations:

1) we did actually convince mjblackmd that his contribution to
rec.scuba was one of hilarity and he left. This "icediver" is a
slightly different personality. The more consistent infantile
behavior and inability to make a cogent argument are points in
favor of this theory. The assertion that Buf... Bufi... whatever,
is not a sockpuppet is either delusion or lie, but either of those
explanations is fairly plausible too...

2) black does not understand the english language. I provide my
recent exchange with black as evidence. I pointed out that "carla
fairbanques" wasn't the real CF and he accused George Irvine of
having sockpuppets. I pointed out that his response was
nonsensical and he accused me of "following him around". There's a
fundamental disconnect and the people of Wisconsin may be in danger
as a result.

In either case, it's clear that the mental decline is accelerating.
If anyone has family in or near Wisconsin and believes that black may
be a threat, I suggest quick action.

Fishbre396

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Oct 24, 2001, 11:18:28 AM10/24/01
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In article <20011018165713...@mb-md.aol.com>, buffi...@aol.com
(Buffiebufy) writes:

>Date: 18 Oct 2001 20:57:13 GMT
>ooooohhhh, Popeye ain't gonna like that . . .
>>
>> I stand corrected...


>>
>>
>> Popeye
>> Never underestimate the power of
>> very stupid people in large groups.
>

>You stand corrected like Wimpy. Just like McVeigh, an embarrassment to the
>marine corps. You ought to be deported where you belong.


Buffiebufy

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Oct 24, 2001, 8:18:18 PM10/24/01
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>From: fishb...@aol.comnojunk (Fishbre396)
>Newsgroups: rec.scuba
>Date: 24 Oct 2001 15:18:28 GMT

>
>ooooohhhh, Popeye ain't gonna like that . .
You like that, huh girlfriend? :P

Let poopeye doug throw a tumtrum fit like a real loooser.

CPR86

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Nov 10, 2001, 2:40:28 AM11/10/01
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Some things never change...LOL
CS.......

Thought of the day -

Is it true cannibals don't eat clowns because they taste funny?
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List of Internet scuba shops....

Popeye

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Nov 10, 2001, 5:43:11 PM11/10/01
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>From: cp...@aol.com.No.ccom (CPR86)
>Date: 11/10/01 2:40 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <20011110024028...@mb-mq.aol.com>

>
>Some things never change...LOL
>CS.......
>

Any job worth doing... :-)

CPR86

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Nov 10, 2001, 6:49:07 PM11/10/01
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<< From: buzcu...@aol.comByte-me (Popeye) >>


<< Any job worth doing... :-) >>


Very true. But, don't you get tired beating a dead stump?
CS.......

Thought of the day -

Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door.

Popeye

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Nov 10, 2001, 10:19:50 PM11/10/01
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You want a true popeye answer to that, watch the movie "Shane", the most
poinent story of our time, and reference the "stump" for an answer.

Don't miss that cool gunfight, a definition of "good-vs-evil" at the end.
This is the finest Western of the century.

Define: twice backwards, once forwards.

Then you'll understand. :-)

chilly

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> >From: cp...@aol.com.No.ccom (CPR86)
> >Date: 11/10/01 6:49 PM Eastern Standard Time
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> ><< From: buzcu...@aol.comByte-me (Popeye) >>
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> >
> ><< Any job worth doing... :-) >>
> >
> >
> >Very true. But, don't you get tired beating a dead stump?
> >CS.......
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> >Thought of the day -
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> >Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door.
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> You want a true popeye answer to that, watch the movie "Shane", the most
> poinent story of our time, and reference the "stump" for an answer.
>
> Don't miss that cool gunfight, a definition of "good-vs-evil" at the
end.
> This is the finest Western of the century.

My mother made sure that I went to this movie when I was a just a kid. She
said it was the best movie she'd ever seen.

Popeye

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Nov 11, 2001, 6:40:49 AM11/11/01
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>> You want a true popeye answer to that, watch the movie "Shane", the most
>> poinent story of our time, and reference the "stump" for an answer.
>>
>> Don't miss that cool gunfight, a definition of "good-vs-evil" at the
>end.>> This is the finest Western of the century.
>
>My mother made sure that I went to this movie when I was a just a kid. She
>said it was the best movie she'd ever seen.
>
>>
>> Define: twice backwards, once forwards.
>>
>> Then you'll understand. :-)
>>
>>
>> Popeye

I love reading stuff in the morning that I have no memory of posting. Let's
see, Saturday night late, Nov. 10th, how tuned was I...?

Scott

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Nov 11, 2001, 10:09:20 AM11/11/01
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> I love reading stuff in the morning that I have no memory of posting. Let's
> see, Saturday night late, Nov. 10th, how tuned was I...?

226 years worth of tuned. Tuned to a fever pitch, honed to a razors
edge. And with the full knowledge the Boys are at work. The Flag
raised by the firemen at ground Zero is on the TR in the Arabian Sea.

My bro Butcher was in town. Butch was a Gunners Mate on a cruiser in
the Gulf of Tonkin. Locked the Old Man out of his gun mount once (long
story, court martial at the end finding him without fault) because
they were about to light up and area believed to be occupied by a
Marine platoon. We left the Parrott about 02:30, $180 bucks lighter
than when we got there, and we only drink tequila.

I got up early to start the coffee, and then got into the shower
thinking I would get out and wake them both up with a fresh cup.

Adrianne came in and said "Honey, thanks for making coffe for us this
morning.
Next time you need to try and remember to place the pot back in the
coffee maker."

So, I decided I had no business running machine tools.

Scott

"What is all this about a beret? The beret, of course, is a Basque
headgear which serves no purpose whatever. It does not hold off the
rain. It does not keep the sun out of the eyes or off the back of the
neck. It blows off in a wind, and it offers no protection against
bumps and knocks. I have nothing against the Basques, but the beret is
a silly hat and should not be given consideration as part of the
modern military uniform. The fact that it has assumed a certain
badge-glamour is apparent, but not irrevocable. There are ways of
making a man's uniform more distinguished looking without attempting
to be "fashionable." -- Jeff Cooper

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