Needing help to find Christmas Songs !
Lisa
I am a Christian living in a Moslem country - a Moslem country with an
anti-Christian attitude.
In this Christmas season - as in the past 3 years - I've missed the
_real_ Christmas experience a lot.
One large part of the Christmas experience - for me at least - is the
Christmas Carols - and back in the US, there is an unlimited selection
/ redention of Christmas songs.
In this Moslem country, however, the "Christmas Songs" are severely
restricted.
Officially, they do not ban Christmas, not outright. But
un-officially, the availbility of songs and activities of Christmas is
not-that-encouraged. Even when Churches want to celebrate the
Nativity, they have to apply "licenses" from the authority - all in
the name of "safety".
The result is that the Christmas celebration - even in Churches - is
somewhat subdued.
Like the Christmas songs - in the marketplace, unless I buy pirated
CDs, the "official list" of the Christmas CD is very limited. Whatever
you hear is whatever _they_ allow you to hear.
And since I'm already on the Net, I want to know if there is somewhere
I can listen to, on trial basis, to Christmas songs online, and then
decide which CD to order?
So far, the Moslem authority of this anti-Christianity country still
can't stop individuals (not that they don't want to, just that they
can't find enough resources to stop everything) from ordering CDs from
foreign sources. That means, I can still order whatever CDs I like -
including Christmas CDs.
I've gone to the CDNOW and Amazon place and I've found lots of CD
selections, I want to place some order, but I just do not know which
one to order.
If there's a sample (not necessarily the whole song) MP3, wave files,
or even streaming sound that I can download / try out, it would be a
plus for me.
Do you know any place out there having such a service?
Thank you in advance, and may you have a Very Merry Christmas and a
Very Happy New Year !
Lisa
I8NTRT
the music for free. You can down load the songs, listen to them and then erase
them.
R'ndal rider of Bronze Sayranth
tony perry
can order it online if you like it:
www.tonyperrymusic.com
blessings!
li...@saintmail.net (Lisa) wrote in message news:<266b67ef.01122...@posting.google.com>...
Philip Chee
In article <266b67ef.01122...@posting.google.com> li...@saintmail.net writes:
>I am a Christian living in a Moslem country - a Moslem country with an
>anti-Christian attitude.
>In this Christmas season - as in the past 3 years - I've missed the
>_real_ Christmas experience a lot.
>One large part of the Christmas experience - for me at least - is the
>Christmas Carols - and back in the US, there is an unlimited selection
>/ redention of Christmas songs.
>In this Moslem country, however, the "Christmas Songs" are severely
>restricted.
And over here in this Muslim (what's "Moslem"?) country all the
shopping malls were playing christmas carols (and christmassy songs
in general) all through Adil Fitri (or Eid) which marks the end of
Ramadan.
As usual this provoked the usual outraged letters to the Times ( or
in this case _The New Straits Times_ ).
Phil (no shortage of chrismassy songs over the radio either in this
avowedly Islamic country)
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Gwen & Emory Stagmer
From noon EST christmas eve to midnight Christmas day
WRBS radio will have great traditional christmas music with no commercials.
http://www.wrbs.com
They have streaming audio.
No I don't work for them, just supporting my ONLY Christian music radio in
Baltimore...
Emory
MIDIcian
> shopping malls were playing christmas carols (and christmassy songs
> in general) all through Adil Fitri (or Eid) which marks the end of
> Ramadan.
You should see what it's like for a Jew living in America (which is supposed
to have separation of Church and State.)
Guess what. The Muslims and the Jews might have alot more in common than
you think.
Stan,
www.thesequencers.com
"Come together, right now
Over me" - The Beatles
rafrost
You might enjoy
www.audiogalaxy.com
for full downloads of songs if you know their performers and titles. You
might also like
www.christianbook.com
they often have samples of every song on a project for you to hear.
Another resource you could try to read more about projects and what they
sound like is
www.cmcentral.net
Robin
"Lisa" <li...@saintmail.net> wrote in message
news:266b67ef.01122...@posting.google.com...
Gwen & Emory Stagmer
SEPERATION is NOT in our constitution. All it says it
(basically) that the state should not make any laws giving privledge to
or restricting ANY religion.
Get it right or don't post it.
Emory Stagmer
Mitch Wagner
news:3c241...@news.newzpig.com:
>> And over here in this Muslim (what's "Moslem"?) country all the
>> shopping malls were playing christmas carols (and christmassy songs
>> in general) all through Adil Fitri (or Eid) which marks the end of
>> Ramadan.
>
> You should see what it's like for a Jew living in America (which is
> supposed to have separation of Church and State.)
>
> Guess what. The Muslims and the Jews might have alot more in common
> than you think.
I've spent my whole life, 40 years, as a Jew in America, and I'm grateful
to be here. Are you suggesting it's BAD to be a Jew in America?
--
Mitch Wagner | 24-hour drive-thru weblog: http://www.drive-thru.org
Lisa
There are 58 countries listed in the OIC (Organization of Islamic
Countries) and the member states are more than Saudi Arabia or
Afghanistan.
Some of those Moslem countries may portray themselves as "liberal",
but try to hang a BIG CROSS in your front lawn and you will know how
"liberal" these Moslem really are.
I am an American, I live in this G*d Awful Moslem country because I'm
married to a citizen of this country - who, thanks G*d, is a Christian
! - and I must tell you that the experience with those "liberal
Moslem" here isn't exactly a pleasant one.
They (the Moslems) will say one thing - like allowing "freedom of
religion" but then all over the place they keep blaring their
"prayers" over LOUD SPEAKERS, sounding like donkey braying. They keep
the noise pollution index high up to the sky as if their G*d (Allah)
is deaf, or something.
But I am NOT here to criticize the Moslems' religion. Just that I do
not like the way they OPPRESS against people of other religion.
If you try to build a church here, you have to get permission from the
- guess what? - MOSLEM COUNCIL - yes, I kid you not. To get a
CHRISTIAN CHURCH going, you have to have the approval from the Moslems
!
As if the Lord Almighty must have the permission from "Allah"
everytime the Almighty wants to do something !
This is the _reality_ here. Whether you believe it or not.
Sorry for this off-topic message.
Wishing you a Merry Christmas and Blessed New Year !
Lisa
rit...@cruzio.com (Lucy Kemnitzer) wrote in message news:<3c23bd58...@cnews.newsguy.com>...
> On Fri, 21 Dec 2001 19:04:26 GMT, phi...@aleytys.pc.my (Philip Chee)
> wrote:
>
> >[[ newsgroups truncated ]]
> >
> >In article <266b67ef.01122...@posting.google.com> li...@saintmail.net writes:
> >
> >>I am a Christian living in a Moslem country - a Moslem country with an
> >>anti-Christian attitude.
>
> >>In this Christmas season - as in the past 3 years - I've missed the
> >>_real_ Christmas experience a lot.
>
> >>One large part of the Christmas experience - for me at least - is the
> >>Christmas Carols - and back in the US, there is an unlimited selection
> >>/ redention of Christmas songs.
>
> >>In this Moslem country, however, the "Christmas Songs" are severely
> >>restricted.
> >
> >And over here in this Muslim (what's "Moslem"?) country all the
> >shopping malls were playing christmas carols (and christmassy songs
> >in general) all through Adil Fitri (or Eid) which marks the end of
> >Ramadan.
> >
> >As usual this provoked the usual outraged letters to the Times ( or
> >in this case _The New Straits Times_ ).
> >
> >Phil (no shortage of chrismassy songs over the radio either in this
> >avowedly Islamic country)
> >
>
>
> Is it Islamic in the sense of the people being predominantly so, or in
> the sense of having a state religion?
>
> I was a little taken aback by the original post, too, though: I was
> wondering exactly which country was as grimly protective of their
> culture as that.
>
> Lucy Kemnitzer
Alison Hopkins
Lisa wrote in message <266b67ef.0112...@posting.google.com>...
>On this Christmas season, oh please do not be so taken aback.
>
>There are 58 countries listed in the OIC (Organization of Islamic
>Countries) and the member states are more than Saudi Arabia or
>Afghanistan.
>
>Some of those Moslem countries may portray themselves as "liberal",
>but try to hang a BIG CROSS in your front lawn and you will know how
>"liberal" these Moslem really are.
The US isn't too keen on those always.
>
>I am an American, I live in this G*d Awful Moslem country because I'm
>married to a citizen of this country - who, thanks G*d, is a Christian
>! - and I must tell you that the experience with those "liberal
>Moslem" here isn't exactly a pleasant one.
So go home and stop taking their money.
>
>They (the Moslems) will say one thing - like allowing "freedom of
>religion" but then all over the place they keep blaring their
>"prayers" over LOUD SPEAKERS, sounding like donkey braying. They keep
>the noise pollution index high up to the sky as if their G*d (Allah)
>is deaf, or something.
Church bells are pretty intrusive, too.
>
>But I am NOT here to criticize the Moslems' religion. Just that I do
>not like the way they OPPRESS against people of other religion.
>
>If you try to build a church here, you have to get permission from the
>- guess what? - MOSLEM COUNCIL - yes, I kid you not. To get a
>CHRISTIAN CHURCH going, you have to have the approval from the Moslems
To build anything here you have to get permission from someone. Your poitn?
>!
>
>As if the Lord Almighty must have the permission from "Allah"
>everytime the Almighty wants to do something !
>
>This is the _reality_ here. Whether you believe it or not.
>
>Sorry for this off-topic message.
>
>Wishing you a Merry Christmas and Blessed New Year !
>
>
You are the lousiest advertisement for Christianity I've seen in years. And
I should not feed nasty minded racist little trolls.
Ali
Nancy Lebovitz
Lisa <li...@saintmail.net> wrote:
>On this Christmas season, oh please do not be so taken aback.
>
>There are 58 countries listed in the OIC (Organization of Islamic
>Countries) and the member states are more than Saudi Arabia or
>Afghanistan.
Could you please mention *which* Moslem country you're talking
about? As it is, you're making an accusation that vaguely accretes
to any of them.
>
>Some of those Moslem countries may portray themselves as "liberal",
>but try to hang a BIG CROSS in your front lawn and you will know how
>"liberal" these Moslem really are.
>
>I am an American, I live in this G*d Awful Moslem country because I'm
>married to a citizen of this country - who, thanks G*d, is a Christian
>! - and I must tell you that the experience with those "liberal
>Moslem" here isn't exactly a pleasant one.
>
>They (the Moslems) will say one thing - like allowing "freedom of
>religion" but then all over the place they keep blaring their
>"prayers" over LOUD SPEAKERS, sounding like donkey braying. They keep
>the noise pollution index high up to the sky as if their G*d (Allah)
>is deaf, or something.
>
>But I am NOT here to criticize the Moslems' religion. Just that I do
Sounds like you just did.
>not like the way they OPPRESS against people of other religion.
>
>If you try to build a church here, you have to get permission from the
>- guess what? - MOSLEM COUNCIL - yes, I kid you not. To get a
>CHRISTIAN CHURCH going, you have to have the approval from the Moslems
>!
How hard is it to get permission?
>As if the Lord Almighty must have the permission from "Allah"
>everytime the Almighty wants to do something !
People building a church isn't the same thing as the Lord acting
directly. Unless the Lord supplies parking and utilities, the
city government has an interest in the matter.
>This is the _reality_ here. Whether you believe it or not.
--
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Philip Chee
>"MIDIcian" <midi...@netzero.net> wrote in
>news:3c241...@news.newzpig.com:
>> You should see what it's like for a Jew living in America (which is
>> supposed to have separation of Church and State.)
>> Guess what. The Muslims and the Jews might have alot more in common
>> than you think.
>I've spent my whole life, 40 years, as a Jew in America, and I'm grateful
>to be here. Are you suggesting it's BAD to be a Jew in America?
Hey Mitch,
Don't you remember the "Happy Hannukah" flame war that ate this
newsgroup[1] several christmasses ago?
Phil
[1] rasff, for those of you caught in the cross-post[2] crossfire.
[2] I can't decide where to point the followup to. Obviously not
rec.music.christian. Hmm only one non music newsgroup here.
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Lisa
> In article <266b67ef.0112...@posting.google.com>,
> Lisa <li...@saintmail.net> wrote:
> >On this Christmas season, oh please do not be so taken aback.
> >
> >There are 58 countries listed in the OIC (Organization of Islamic
> >Countries) and the member states are more than Saudi Arabia or
> >Afghanistan.
>
> Could you please mention *which* Moslem country you're talking
> about? As it is, you're making an accusation that vaguely accretes
> to any of them.
> >
> >Some of those Moslem countries may portray themselves as "liberal",
> >but try to hang a BIG CROSS in your front lawn and you will know how
> >"liberal" these Moslem really are.
> >
> >I am an American, I live in this G*d Awful Moslem country because I'm
> >married to a citizen of this country - who, thanks G*d, is a Christian
> >! - and I must tell you that the experience with those "liberal
> >Moslem" here isn't exactly a pleasant one.
> >
> >They (the Moslems) will say one thing - like allowing "freedom of
> >religion" but then all over the place they keep blaring their
> >"prayers" over LOUD SPEAKERS, sounding like donkey braying. They keep
> >the noise pollution index high up to the sky as if their G*d (Allah)
> >is deaf, or something.
> >
> >But I am NOT here to criticize the Moslems' religion. Just that I do
>
> Sounds like you just did.
I just did, didn't I?
I admit I'm hot-headed sometimes, but what I've said here have
happened !
That Phil guy who has accused me of lying - well... the Good Lord
knows who is lying.
I don't need to start a flamewar here, especially not in newsgroups
that have nothing to do with flamewar. If that Phil guy wants a
flamewar, he can flame someone else, somewhere else. All I know is,
the Good Lord knows what all of us are doing, and I know I am a
sinner, and the only thing I hope is that the Good Lord will see that
all I do here is to tell the world the pathetic condition some
Christians have to go through in order to keep their faith.
>
> >not like the way they OPPRESS against people of other religion.
> >
> >If you try to build a church here, you have to get permission from the
> >- guess what? - MOSLEM COUNCIL - yes, I kid you not. To get a
> >CHRISTIAN CHURCH going, you have to have the approval from the Moslems
> >!
>
> How hard is it to get permission?
Well... Let me tell you that there _ARE_ "churches" here that has NO
cross what-so-ever, because the MOSLEM OFFICIALDOM will NOT allow them
to operate if they have even _ONE_ single cross (either display or
painted on walls) in the premise.
And then there are "churches" that can't even call themselves
"church", because again, the MOSLEM OFFICIALDOM will not allow the
formation of the "church" if they use the word "church" (or the local
translation of the word "church").
It's hard, I tell you. It's kinda like having to ask the SATAN to
grant you the permission to PRAY to the Good Lord.
Sometimes people just ignore the MOSLEM OFFICIALDOM and organize
prayer groups in their own houses, and by doing that, they take the
risk of being CAUGHT by the Moslem authority for "illegal gathering"
or "subversive organization".
There once was a "rural retreat" for one church. They had a property
somewhere in the hills, and they were minding their own business.
Those Christians were doing their own things for years without
disturbing anybody else, and of course, they did that without
REGISTRING with (and/or obtaining permission from) the MOSLEM
OFFICIALDOM.
And ONCE the MOSLEM OFFICIALDOM found out about the existence of the
"retreat", they launched a DIRTY CAMPAIGN against the retreat.
Do you know what those MOSLEM OFFICIALDOM did?
They call up the media and spread rumors about a "cult" that do
"subversive" and "unethical" things. They hinted that those "cultists"
were "raping girls" or "sodomizing each others", etc., etc., and of
course, the press went into a frenzy, and printed out headlines after
headlines of those "cultists".
And after that, the "interial ministry" of the MOSLEM OFFICIALDOM
stepped in, and RAIDED the compound of the retreat. Several "cultists"
were captured, and were thrown into prison WITHOUT TRIALS.
Some of them are STILL IN PRISON without trials, even as we speak.
If that Phil guy is so proud of what they have done for the Christian
here in this G*d Awful Moslem Country, why then the Phil Guy never do
anything for those Christians (oh, I slipped my tongue, those
"cultists") who are still imprisoned, without trials?
The "head moslem" here is a supporter of Osama Bin Laden. At his
speech the other night, announcing the "New Year" for the Moslems, he
hinted that all the non-Moslems are "enemies".
This is the reality here in this G*d Awful country.
That Phil Guy has hinted that this country being a "third world
country" so it can't afford all the "luxuries" of the "first world
country". I just want to know if the "luxuries" include the FREEDOM
for non-Moslems to practice their own faith?
Using the excuse of "third world country" to commit crimes is just
that, an excuse. No matter you are in first world country or fourth, a
crime is STILL a crime. No excuse, no matter how ridiculous it may be,
can use to cover-up a crime.
What happening in this G*d Awful Moslem Country is criminal, and they
are increasing at an alarming rate.
When the non-Moslem kills a Moslem, it's all over the news.
But when Moslems burn down churches - yes, it happens here ! - the
press (officially controlled) never mentions it.
When the foreign press got hold of the news of church burnings, they
asked the "Moslem authority" about it, and the reply is that "it's a
non-issue".
Yes, it's a "non-issue" when churches are burnt down. It's always
"non-issue" when the crime was perpetrated agains the non-Moslems.
That's the reality here.
Let me emphasize again, I am NOT here to flame anyone. All I say is
just what is HAPPENING in this Moslem country.
Nothing more, nothing less.
So for all of you who are NOT suffering from oppression - Be Glad that
you still have your FREEDOM to practice your faith - whatever your
religious faith may be.
To all,
Wishing you a Very Merry Christmas, and a Very Happy New Year !
God Bless !!
Lisa
thesequencers
news:100913095...@aleytys.pc.my...
> >I've spent my whole life, 40 years, as a Jew in America, and I'm grateful
> >to be here. Are you suggesting it's BAD to be a Jew in America?
It's better than being a Jew in Israel! So why did you cut the crosspost
addressing. Chicken?
Stan Rosenthal,
www.insertFrom:here.com
thesequencers
> knows who is lying.
>
> I don't need to start a flamewar here, especially not in newsgroups
> that have nothing to do with flamewar.
There's no such thing, IMHO. Oh BTW: I also believe there's no such thing
as a God. I could be wrong, of course!
Stan
James Nicoll
Alison Hopkins <fn...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
snip Ugly American Parody Alison is responding to.
>Church bells are pretty intrusive, too.
>
I'd have to say speaking as a guy with five churches within
a block of me that there are worse ways to wake up on a Sunday. Also,
for about two months of the year, the sun sets on the far side of St.
Paul's and lights up the stained glass windows. Very cool.
James Nicoll
--
"Don't worry. It's just a bunch of crazies who believe in only one
god. They're just this far away from atheism."
Wayne & Schuster
Lisa
True. Everybody could be wrong for everything.
But that still doesn't mean we should NOT recognize that once upon a
time, there was _someone_ living in Israel who did something that is
so out of the ordinary that people actually recorded what he did, what
he said, and so on, and append the stories to the Old Testaments.
And from then onwards, people who happened to agree with the
philosophy of that ancient guy from Israel need to celebrate his
*birthday* so they chose the 25th of December as HIS birthday, since
there isn't any credible record of the guy's REAL birthday.
And that "birthday celebration" has turned into CHRISTMAS.
Whether we like it or not, t'is the night before Christmas, and I am
NOT here to start or continue or pour gas into a flamewar. I've gotta
tell two more things about that G*d Awful Moslem Country -
1. The G*d Awful Moslem Country is one of the _FEW_ nation, worldwide,
to BAN the CARTOON MOVIE - "THE PRINCE OF EGYPT".
Yes, I kid you not.
The MOSLEM OFFICIALDOM saw that it was NECESSARY TO BAN A CARTOON
MOVIE depicting the story of Moses.
They are _SO_ afraid of Moses (it's funny, tho, since MOSES has been
recognized by the MOSLEM RELIGION - Islam - as one of the prophet !)
they even BANNED A CARTOON MOVIE based on Moses' life story .... how
Moses brought the Jews out of Egypt.
This is the G*d Awful Moslem Country I am talking about.
Another example of how AWFUL this G*d Awful Moslem Country really is -
They - the MOSEM OFFICIALDOM - has see it fit to SEGREGATE the
SCHOOL-CHILDREN by RELIGION.
That is, if the child is a non-Moslem, then the child has NO RIGHT to
study at ADVANCE CLASSES - that is, only MOSLEM STUDENTS are permitted
to study in ADVANCE CLASSES !
The real matter is, the MOSLEM OFFICIALDOM has see it fit to
DISCRIMINATE AGAINST the non-Moslems, even when they are MERE CHILDREN
!!
This is the _same_ "paradise" the Phil Guy wants you to believe.
I call the country "G*d Awful Moslem Country" and the Phil Guy has
painted it so PURE AND GENTLE, it feels like Johnson Baby Powder.
Maybe the truth is NOT one way or the other. Maybe the truth is
somewhere in between. But where-ever the truth lies, you just have to
live in this G*d Awful Moslem Country to EXPERIENCE the AWFULNESS of
the whole thing.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year !
Lisa
James Nicoll
Gwen & Emory Stagmer <emor...@home.com> wrote:
>Just a moment there Stan.
>
>SEPERATION is NOT in our constitution. All it says it
>(basically) that the state should not make any laws giving privledge to
>or restricting ANY religion.
I have to use this in shwi: the results of religions being immune
from, oh, zoning laws and such. After all, there're restrictions.
Philip Chee
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In article <266b67ef.01122...@posting.google.com> li...@saintmail.net writes:
>1. The G*d Awful Moslem Country is one of the _FEW_ nation, worldwide,
>to BAN the CARTOON MOVIE - "THE PRINCE OF EGYPT".
Yup. This part is true. But this is also the country that tried to
ban the "Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers" on the grounds that the word
"Morphin'" might encourage impressionable youths to take up a heroin
habit. I think our erstwhile Information Minister is just generally
clueless.
>They - the MOSEM OFFICIALDOM - has see it fit to SEGREGATE the
>SCHOOL-CHILDREN by RELIGION.
Totally untrue. When I was in school I had christian, muslim,
buddhist and hindu classmates.
>That is, if the child is a non-Moslem, then the child has NO RIGHT to
>study at ADVANCE CLASSES - that is, only MOSLEM STUDENTS are permitted
>to study in ADVANCE CLASSES !
There are no such things here as "ADVANCE CLASSES". Are you sure
you are an American? Your grasp of english is singularly fractured,
almost as if it isn't actually your native language.
And I was in the fast-track academic stream (if that was what you
were refering to) and skipped a couple of grades on my way up.
There are *racial* quotas at the university level, which have over
the years garnered controversy (sometimes more, sometimes less
depending on the political situation). However that's an entirely
different issue from religion.
>The real matter is, the MOSLEM OFFICIALDOM has see it fit to
>DISCRIMINATE AGAINST the non-Moslems, even when they are MERE CHILDREN
>!!
So why are you still here? Isn't the future of your children at
stake in this pagan land? Why aren't you insisting to your husband
that you and your family should immediately move back to the US
where your children can be gauranteed a proper christian upbringing?
>I call the country "G*d Awful Moslem Country" and the Phil Guy has
>painted it so PURE AND GENTLE, it feels like Johnson Baby Powder.
And what's wrong with Johnson's Baby Powder? Millions of babies
can't be wrong, can they?
>Maybe the truth is NOT one way or the other. Maybe the truth is
>somewhere in between. But where-ever the truth lies, you just have to
>live in this G*d Awful Moslem Country to EXPERIENCE the AWFULNESS of
>the whole thing.
Awww. Poor, baby. Why don't you go and watch some Oprah, it might
cheer you up.
>Merry Christmas and Happy New Year !
You forgot Hannukah, Deevali, Saturnalia and the Winter Solstice
festival. HTH, HAND.
Phil
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Bernard Peek
<li...@saintmail.net> writes
>"thesequencers" <midi...@netzero.net> wrote in message
>news:<a03c6a1789b5153e...@spamfreenews.com>...
>> "Lisa" <li...@saintmail.net> wrote in message
>> news:266b67ef.01122...@posting.google.com...
>> > That Phil guy who has accused me of lying - well... the Good Lord
>> > knows who is lying.
And those of us that know Phil also know.
>Another example of how AWFUL this G*d Awful Moslem Country really is -
>
>
>They - the MOSEM OFFICIALDOM - has see it fit to SEGREGATE the
>SCHOOL-CHILDREN by RELIGION.
We do that here in the UK too. I went to a Catholic school.
And a merry Christmas and prosperous new year to all of our readers,
wherever they may be.
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b...@shrdlu.com
In search of cognoscenti
Mitch Wagner
news:503d337afd285426...@spamfreenews.com:
> "Philip Chee" <phi...@aleytys.pc.my> wrote in message
> news:100913095...@aleytys.pc.my...
>> >I've spent my whole life, 40 years, as a Jew in America, and I'm
>> >grateful to be here. Are you suggesting it's BAD to be a Jew in
>> >America?
>
> It's better than being a Jew in Israel! So why did you cut the
> crosspost addressing. Chicken?
Not at all. I didn't consciously direct the posts anywhere; I don't pay
any attention to where follow-ups go.
Or I didn't used to; I have since been corrected and seen the error of my
ways.
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Mitch Wagner
Doug Wickstrom
<266b67ef.01122...@posting.google.com>
li...@saintmail.net (Lisa) excited the ether to say:
>That Phil guy who has accused me of lying - well... the Good Lord
>knows who is lying.
Might, might not. Omniscience, omnibenevolence, omnipresence.
You can have two out of three.
So why, in the name of Thor, did you post your query to
rec.arts.sf.fandom? AKICIF (All Knowledge Is Contained In
Fandom), yes, but participation is generally a good idea before
jumping in with both feet, _especially_ to criticize the
responses. Phil Chee is a long-time member of this group, and
has been involved in (loosely) organized fandom for years. He's
also a non-Muslim minority citizen of Malaysia, and Knows Whereof
He Speaks. In other words, he has credibility. You don't.
Follow-ups set to rec.arts.sf.fandom.
--
Doug Wickstrom
"Every friend of freedom must be as revolted as I am by the prospect of
turning the United States into an armed camp, by the vision of jails filled
with casual drug users and of an army of enforcers empowered to invade the
liberty of citizens on slight evidence." --Milton Friedman
thesequencers
news:Xns9181690307A5Em...@24.4.64.20...
Liar. Nice Wishbone Ash ref, though!
Stan
thesequencers
news:a07hsl$c3k$1...@panix2.panix.com...
> In article <3C251D36...@home.com>,
> Gwen & Emory Stagmer <emor...@home.com> wrote:
> >Just a moment there Stan.
> >
> >SEPERATION is NOT in our constitution.
I haven't seen that post before.
Anyhow, I do believe it is in the constitution (though perhaps not as
simplified with a simple word like "separation").
Stan
thesequencers
news:266b67ef.01122...@posting.google.com...
> "thesequencers" <midi...@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:<a03c6a1789b5153e...@spamfreenews.com>...
> > "Lisa" <li...@saintmail.net> wrote in message
> > news:266b67ef.01122...@posting.google.com...
> > > That Phil guy who has accused me of lying - well... the Good Lord
> > > knows who is lying.
> > >
> > > I don't need to start a flamewar here, especially not in newsgroups
> > > that have nothing to do with flamewar.
> >
> > There's no such thing, IMHO. Oh BTW: I also believe there's no such
thing
> > as a God. I could be wrong, of course!
> >
> >
> > Stan
>
>
> True. Everybody could be wrong for everything.
>
> But that still doesn't mean we should NOT recognize that once upon a
> time, there was _someone_ living in Israel who did something that is
Like a astronaut from another planet with much superier technology than we
had at the time?
Stan
Breezy
> > >SEPERATION is NOT in our constitution.
>
> I haven't seen that post before.
>
> Anyhow, I do believe it is in the constitution (though perhaps not as
> simplified with a simple word like "separation").
The Constitution of the United States should be required reading as a
condition of being a citizen.
The so-called "separation of church and state" is found in the first 16
words of the First Amendment. It's not difficult to interpret, and it
shouldn't really be all that easy to spin... but many people seem to look at
it and see things that *aren't there!*
Amendment I in it's entirety:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,
or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Breezy
> many people seem to look at it and see things that *aren't there!*
I'll also add... many people also *ignore* what's actually there.
Michael J. Lowrey
Well, separationists like myself believe that the intention
to separate church and state is found pretty darned
explicitly in the language of Article VI ("The Senators and
Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the
several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial
officers, both of the United States and of the several
states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support
this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be
required as a qualification to any office or public trust
under the United States."); in the repeated provision that
one may offer an affirmation, rather than an oath (thus
accomodating those such as Quakers who do not swear oaths);
and in the First Amendment ("Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the
free exercise thereof").
The Stagmer or Stagmers are apparently going by the
allegation beloved of our "Religious" right-wingers: that
the Founding Fathers of course meant to _tolerate_
non-believers, but were _really_ believers in a theocracy
ruled by white Protestant men. Apparently, they didn't say
anything about it in the actual Constitution because
everybody just knew it at the time without being told. This
theory is based on a really amazing level of ignorance, not
only about the Founding Fathers, but about the extent and
depth of debate which surrounded the ratification of the
Constitution at the time. I would recommend the reading not
only of the Federalist Papers, but also of some collection
of anti-Constitution articles, such as the
creatively-entitled "Anti-Federalist Papers" anthology:
http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?inkey=62-0451625250-0
--
Michael J. Lowrey
a Friendly sort
Ozzie Ozone
and a required part of the state's drivers license tests!!!
What? Well you can register to vote as well as get a drivers licence at the same
time and place.
Ozzie
Ozzie Ozone
Does this mean you were born in America from Jewish parents?
Or
Does this mean you were born in Israel and then were brought here in your first
year by Jewish parents?
If you were born in America then you are an American of Jewish decent.
Or
Even if you were born here you don't see yourself as an American first then Jew
second?
Ozzie
Ozzie Ozone
big pain in the ass.
Both indoctrinate their young citizens through a veiled theocracy to distrust
(hate) anyone not of their religion/genetics. (as do most religions)
When one takes a serious look at the U.S. they see a disportional amount of
"control" by a 'group' that is less than four percent of the population. Since
this 'group' remains bound to a singular racial/religious philosophy you can
perceive a violation of the intent of separation of state and church (religion).
I don't think this "control" is directed at the state/church thing as this
'group' will have nothing to do with anyone not of their direct genetic
decedent. Rather this "control" is a means of supporting the 'groups' country of
origin. More parasitic than symbiotic.
Their use of 'christian' doctrines just reinforces the general population's
contrived concern for the "holy land" and thus the existence of this 'groups'
country.
Ozzie
MIDIcian wrote:
>
> You should see what it's like for a Jew living in America (which is supposed
> to have separation of Church and State.)
>
> Guess what. The Muslims and the Jews might have alot more in common than
> you think.
>
Ozzie Ozone
I stand proud to have you as a fellow citizen.
Ozzie
Andrew Plotkin
follow up to it.
Note followups.
--Z
> Or
> Or
> Ozzie
"And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the borogoves..."
*
* Make your vote count. Get your vote counted.
Lisa
> I wrote:
> > many people seem to look at it and see things that *aren't there!*
>
> I'll also add... many people also *ignore* what's actually there.
And some will DENY everything, even when the thing is BLOWING UP IN THEIR FACE !
Example :
In message <100920663...@aleytys.pc.my>, someone once wrote -
>They - the MOSEM OFFICIALDOM - has see it fit to SEGREGATE the
>SCHOOL-CHILDREN by RELIGION.
Totally untrue. When I was in school I had christian, muslim,
buddhist and hindu classmates.
Hey, I ain't making this up. The above is copied from the guy's own message !
Is there, or isn't there _segregation_ ?
Someone who is saying that "totally untrue" above is still calling names.
And he calls himself a "christian" ??
What kind of "Christ" does he think the "christian" moniker comes from ?
One who calls other people names ?
One who hides from the truth ?
Or one who embraces truth, no matter how ugly it is?
Lisa
Mitch Wagner
America. Or, you might say that I am an American of Jewish descent.
What's your point?
(Follow-ups redirected to rec.arts.sf.fandom.)
--
Mitch Wagner
Ozzie Ozone <Ozzie...@Home.too> wrote in
news:3C2CD9F2...@Home.too:
Ozzie Ozone
Where does one's loyalties lie?
Is it with one's genetic heritage?
Which would I and many other "Americans" choose; English, French, German,
Scotch, Russian, Japanese, Chinese, etc.
Or should I go with my more recent influx of Native American Indian?
Is one's loyalty then to one's religion? Hindu, Catholic, Protestant, Moslem,
Buddhist, etc.
Then there is the political loyalty. Republican, Democrat, Libertarian,
Socialist,
Communist, Nationalist, etc.
What about national loyalty. English, German, Turkish, French, Canadian,
Spanish,
Greek, Egyptian, Iraqi, etc.
What happens when there is no separation between genetic, religious, political
and national loyalties?
I guess my question posed to you and others from many parts of this world is my
point.
Where do your loyalties lie?
Are you a "___" living in America or an American of "______" decent?
Ozzie Ozone ; Terran
Chris/Power Salad
please remove rec.music.dementia from the Newsgroups line before
replying, thank you.
On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 07:40:12 GMT, Ozzie Ozone <Ozzie...@home.too>
wrote:
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We're all so frivolous tonight - XTC
Chris Mezzolesta/Member, AFTRA
http://www.powersalad.com
Andrew Plotkin
In rec.arts.sf.fandom Ozzie Ozone <Ozzie...@home.too> wrote:
> My point...
--Z
Jason Steiner
>
> If you try to build a church here, you have to get permission from
> the - guess what? - MOSLEM COUNCIL - yes, I kid you not. To get a
> CHRISTIAN CHURCH going, you have to have the approval from the
> Moslems !
Kinda' like all those churches that poke their nose in any time
someone wants to build a strip club...
jason
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Denn es gibt weder Tun noch Berechnung, noch Kenntnis, noch
Weisheit im Scheol, in den du gehst.
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Jason Steiner
> >
> > There's no such thing, IMHO. Oh BTW: I also believe there's no such thing
> > as a God. I could be wrong, of course!
>
>
> But that still doesn't mean we should NOT recognize that once upon a
> time, there was _someone_ living in Israel who did something that is
> so out of the ordinary that people actually recorded what he did, what
> he said, and so on, and append the stories to the Old Testaments.
But that still doesn't mean we should not recognize that once upon
a time there was someone living in never-never land who did something
that is so out of the ordinary that people actually recorded what he
did, what he said, and so on...
After all, we all know that people would never write stories about
things that never actually happened, right? Peter Pan is real!
Chris/Power Salad
thank you.