[FAQ] soc.genealogy.uk+ireland Frequently Asked Questions
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Archive-name: genealogy/uk+ireland
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Last-Modified: 1996/11/17
Version: 2.3
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Frequently Asked Questions For soc.genealogy.uk+ireland
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Summary
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This regular posting contains a list of Frequently Asked Questions
(FAQs) and their answers about Genealogy or Family History based in the
United Kingdom, Ireland and the off-shore islands. It should be read by
anyone who wishes to post to the soc.genealogy.uk+ireland newsgroup, or
to subscribe to the associated mailing list (GENUKI-L).
If you have any comments or changes, or any suggestions for new topics
to be included, or you would like to write a note for inclusion in the
archive, then please contact John Woodgate, (jo...@meertech.demon.co.uk)
Contributions by:
Alan Stanier, Brian Randell, Robin Chappie, Don Olds, Doni Wright,
Miles Abernathy, Margaret Olson
Changes For This Version (2.5 - 1997/04/21)
Minor corrections to the text.
Updated list of web browsers.
Updated email address for surnames mailing list.
Copyright and Disclaimer
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Copyright (c) 1996,1997 by John Woodgate. All rights reserved.
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Questions Discussed
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General Interest
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1. What are soc.genealogy.uk+ireland and GENUKI-L for?
2. Posting surname enquiries
3. Where can I get on-line information and guidance on genealogy?
4. What sources of general genealogical information are there?
5. How do I get the latest version of the FAQ?
GENUKI-L Mailing List
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1. What is GENUKI-L?
2. How do I subscribe to GENUKI-L?
3. How do I unsubscribe to GENUKI-L?
4. What is the full email address of GENUKI-L?
5. How do I get copies of past messages?
6. How do I conduct a search of the archived messages?
7. What do I do if I have problems with the Listserv?
8. I keep getting 'unknown address', what can I do?
9. How do I get a digest of the messages?
10. How do I get just an Index of the messages?
11. How do I stop getting messages for a while?
12. Other Options
General Interest
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1. What are soc.genealogy.uk+ireland and GENUKI-L for?
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The purpose of this newsgroup and mailing list is:
1. The Usenet soc.genealogy.uk+ireland newsgroup and it's
associated mailing list GENUKI-L are for genealogy and family
history discussion among people researching ancestors, family
members, or others who have a genealogical connection to any
people in any part of the British Isles.
2. The newsgroup is one of a set of related newsgroups (each with
it's own associated mailing list) that form the
soc.genealogy.* hierarchy. Details of each of these other
newsgroups are posted each month.
3. The group is open to anyone with an interest in genealogy in
any of the populations in or from this area, including, but
not limited to: people who live, lived, or may have lived
there; emigrants; immigrants; colonists; residents of former
colonies; and their descendants.
4. The scope of the group reflects the language, history,
migrations, and the realities of researching public records
and genealogical data archives, and includes questions of
local customs and history, or of regional or national history
which affected the lives of these people and which are
difficult to research in the present. Posts may be in any
language but those seeking replies from a wide spectrum of
readers (or at all) would be well advised to post in English.
5. The focus of the group is on people: as individuals, as
members of ethnic groups, and as part of migration patterns,
but not as citizens of countries. Postings on topics unrelated
to genealogy, especially relating to current political or
religious topics are not welcome.
All who have access to the Usenet soc.genealogy.uk+ireland
newsgroup, or to the GENUKI-L mailing list, are welcome to join and
take part. Since this newsgroup is not moderated, anything posted
to the newsgroup will be seen by all the readers of the newsgroup
and the mailing list, and vice versa. Remember, what you post, will
be seen exactly as you post it.
We therefore recommend "lurking" in the newsgroup or mailing list
(i.e. reading messages, without posting anything) for a few days so
as to get an idea of how people typically phrase their postings,
and so learn how best to formulate any questions or comments,
before you start posting messages to the newsgroup and mailing list
yourself.
Advertising or selling of a product or service is not in general
regarded as acceptable. These should be placed in
soc.genealogy.marketplace.
There are also two lists which give details of all the known
genealogy related mailing lists. The first list, which is
maintained by John Fuller and Chris Gaunt is available via ftp from
ftp.cac.psu.edu as the file /pub/genealogy/text/guides/gresinet.txt
and on the Web at the URL.
http://www.umich.edu/~cgaunt/gen_int1.html
There is also a list maintained by Vicki Lindsay available on the
Web at the URL:
http://www.eskimo.com/~chance
2. Posting surname enquiries
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The topic of posting or not posting surname enquiries to the group
can generate a lot of heated discussion. The preferred option is to
post surname enquiries to the newsgroup soc.genealogy.surnames that
has been set up specifically for this purpose. This is an archived
and moderated newsgroup (with an associated mailing list gennam-l).
The chief role of the moderator is to ensure that each surname
enquiry has an informative subject line in a standard style which
is aimed at facilitating either manual or automated searches of the
postings and the archives. This is so that users can readily
identify messages of likely interest that they can then retrieve
and read at their leisure.
In contrast, soc.genealogy.uk+ireland is not moderated so there is
no practical way to ensure that such surname searches (let alone
all the many and varied more general postings) sent to it have well
chosen subject lines - thus the posting of large numbers of surname
searches to soc.genealogy.uk+ireland would greatly diminish the
utility and practicability of the newsgroup for the discussion of
more general issues and problems related to UK & Irish genealogy.
If you must post surname queries to this group, then following
these suggestions will help to reduce the irritation caused to
others.
+ soc.genealogy.uk+ireland is archived by Apple Computer. It
doesn't have the same search tools as soc.genealogy.surnames,
but they are sufficient to allow a search for a surname or
location. So there is no need for repeated posts.
+ Think about what you post before you post it. Simple enquiries
of the form "I am looking for anybody called so and so" are
better done by searching the GENUKI-L archives. This search
can be repeated as often as you like without upsetting
anybody.
+ Use the soc.genealogy.surnames format for ALL surname
enquiries, and in fact, post the enquiry to the
soc.genealogy.surnames group as well. This is the only way to
increase the UK/Ireland content of the archive.
+ You can also post the surname enquiry via email by sending the
message to soc-genealo...@rootsweb.com.
3. Where can I get on-line information and guidance on Genealogy?
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There are three main online resources on the Internet which relate
specifically to the United Kingdom & Ireland. One of these is the
GENUKI-L archive machine. To access this machine send the following
message
To: LIST...@mail.eworld.com
Subject:
INDEX ROOTS-L
This will return a list of files available on the GENUKI-L archive
machine. The archive keeps a record of all the messages posted to
the newsgroup and mailing list, and much data of relevance to the
newsgroup and mailing list readership.
The second such source is in fact the World Wide Web (access to
which requires the use of a Web 'browser' program such as Internet
Explorer or Netscape). A special Web server has been set up in
support of soc.genealogy.uk+ireland and GENUKI-L, which already
contains genealogical information about (i) the British Isles as a
whole, (ii) the constituent parts, namely England, Wales, Ireland,
Scotland, the Channel Isles and the Isle of Man, (iii) most of the
constituent counties, and even (iv) some individual towns and
parishes. You can reach the uk+ireland homepage at the URL:
http://midas.ac.uk/genuki/
This server also contains quite a lot of tutorial advice, as well
as factual information, on UK & Irish Genealogy, so readers with
the means of accessing the World Wide Web will find that it is
often better to look here for the answer to your question 'before'
deciding whether it is appropriate to send it to the entire
readership of soc.genealogy.uk+ireland and GENUKI-L.
The third site is the LISTSERV at meertech.demon.co.uk which
contains a number of FAQs and tutorials relating to genealogy in
the UK and Ireland. To obtain a list of what is there, send a
message to
To: LIST...@meertech.demon.co.uk
Subject:
INDEX
4. What sources of general genealogical information are there?
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There is a very large amount of online genealogical information at
list...@mail.eworld.com. To obtain a list of files available on
this machine send the following message:
INDEX GENUKI-L
to list...@mail.eworld.com. This machine contains much general
information, and information of relevance to the readership, though
much of its content is specific to the U.S.
But there are also many other sources, some very specialized,
others quite general. Some of these sources of information are
available by FTP, others use Gopher or the Web.
There is a Web homepage which contains many useful pointers to
resources on the Internet. This page has the URL
http://www.genhomepage.com/
However, for the foreseeable future, it is likely that much of the
information you will need will be found only in books, or on
microfilm or microfiche in various libraries, archives, record
offices and government archives. Do not expect to be able to
restrict your research just to data that is available to you
on-line.
The pre-eminent source of genealogical information is the Family
History Library of the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-Day
Saints (the Mormons or LDS). There are no on-line access facilities
to this immense library, but there are branches of this library in
the Family History Centres (FHC) found in many towns and cities
throughout the world where microfilm copies of most of the
library's holdings can be viewed You would be well advised to seek
out your nearest branch of this library, and pay it an early visit.
5. How do I get the latest version of the FAQ?
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You can obtain the latest version of the FAQ from various sources:
+ via Anonymous FTP from
o ftp.herald.co.uk in the file /pub/genuki/socguki.txt
o rtfm.mit.edu in the file
/pub/usenet/news.answers/genealogy/uk+ireland.
o ftp.uu.net in the file
/usenet/news.answers/genealogy/uk+ireland
+ via the WWW at the following URLs
o http://www.herald.co.uk/local_info/genuki/socguki.html
o http://www.meertech.demon.co.uk/genuki/socguki.html
+ Via email from
o mail-...@rtfm.mit.edu by sending the following message
To: mail-...@rtfm.mit.edu
Subject:
send usenet/news.answers/genealogy/genuki
o list...@meertech.demon.co.uk by sending the following
message
To: LIST...@meertech.demon.co.uk
Subject:
get socguki
GENUKI-L
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1. What is GENUKI-L ?
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GENUKI-L is an Email based discussion list where those who have an
interest in Genealogy may communicate via Email messages in hopes
of finding more family history information. This discussion list is
gatewayed to the Usenet newsgroup soc.genealogy.uk+ireland. The
intention being that all messages sent directly to GENUKI-L also
appear in soc.genealogy.uk+ireland, and vice versa. The choice of
which to follow depends mainly on what facilities are available to
you, and, if you have the choice, which medium you prefer to use.
The mailing list and archive is hosted by Apple Computer who can be
contacted at the URL http://www.apple.com.
To participate in this discussion list, you have to explicitly join
it (i.e. "subscribe"). Once you have done this, you will
automatically be sent copies of all the messages that are submitted
to the list.
2. How do I subscribe to GENUKI-L ?
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To subscribe to the GENUKI-L mailing list send the following
message as the body of the message to list...@mail.eworld.com with
no subject line:
To: LIST...@mail.eworld.com
Subject:
SUBSCRIBE GENUKI-L
Do NOT include any other text such as a sig file. If you do, the
listserv software will attempt to read it as a series of commands
and probably send you a message or messages saying it cannot
understand you.
If your mail program will not let you send a blank subject line,
then use something like "no subject". Do not use anything which
might be considered to be a command.
3. How do I unsubscribe to GENUKI-L ?
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You may leave the GENUKI-L mailing list at any time by sending the
following message to list...@mail.eworld.com :
To: LIST...@mail.eworld.com
Subject:
SIGNOFF GENUKI-L
4. What is the full email address of GENUKI-L ?
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To send a message to all the people who read the GENUKI-L mailing
list, send the message to:
GENU...@mail.eworld.com
To send a message to the list processor, send the message to:
list...@mail.eworld.com
Try not to get them round the wrong way or everybody will see your
mistake when you post a listserv command to the entire mailing
list!
5. How do I get copies of past messages?
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If you think you have missed an important GENUKI-L message, you can
get a copy of all the message digests stored in the archive. You
can do this by sending an email message to list...@mail.eworld.com
with the following line as the body of the message:
To: LIST...@mail.eworld.com
Subject:
GET GENUKI-L LOGyymmw
where
yy is the last two digits of the year
mm is the number of the month
w is the week letter (e.g. the first week is a, the second is
b and so on)
6. How do I conduct a search of the archived messages?
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With the current version of Listserv software, it is not possible
to get to conduct a search of the archived messages. It is due in a
later revision.
7. What do I do if I have trouble with the Apple Listserv?
*******************************************************
Send email to genuki-l...@mail.eworld.com. This is the (human)
administrator of the list, who will be able to help you.
8. I keep getting 'unknown address', what can I do?
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From time to time, you may find that when you try to send a reply
directly just to the originator of a message that you received via
GENUKI-L, the message gets returned by your name server with the
reason 'unknown address'. There is a good chance that the Apple
Computer machine will know the address. To send your message via
this machine (NOT VIA GENU...@mail.eworld.com ), you will have to
modify the address you are using.
For example, if the 'bad' address was:
user...@unknown.address.net
To send this message via mail.eworld.com, change the '@' to a '%'
and add the @mail.eworld.com to the end:
user_name%unknown.a...@mail.eworld.com
This means that you want to use the nameserver at Apple Computer
instead of your local nameserver.
9. How do I get a digest of the messages?
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To receive a digest (a single message containing all the messages
posted during the current period), send the following message to
list...@mail.eworld.com
To: LIST...@mail.eworld.com
Subject:
SET GENUKI-L DIGEST
10. Can I get just an Index of the messages?
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To receive an index of the digest (a single message containing all
the messages posted during the current period), send the following
message to list...@mail.eworld.com
To: LIST...@mail.eworld.com
Subject:
SET GENUKI-L INDEX
11. How do I stop getting messages for a while?
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If you are going away for a while and don't want your mailbox to
fill up with messages during your absence, send the following
message to list...@mail.eworld.com
To: LIST...@mail.eworld.com
Subject:
SET GENUKI-L NOMAIL
When you return, just send the message
To: LIST...@mail.eworld.com
Subject:
SET GENUKI-L MAIL
Messages will be delivered as before. It will not reset you back to
individual messages unless that is what you were receiving before.
12. Other Options
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More information of listserv commands can be found in the Listserv
help file which you can retrieve by sending the message
To: LIST...@mail.eworld.com
Subject:
HELP
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Proctor Family Tree....My family originated in Forfar,
Scotland.....could anyone send me info on Proctors in Scotland or
Canada or USA?