Hot on the trial of the sniper
Earl Evleth
They have a description.
The "olive-skinned" man part of the description indicates one of two main
probabilities, 1) a middle easterner or 2) an Hispanic. I rule out Greeks
and Italians at this time! (this is Sherlock writing not H. L. Mencken).
So it could be a terrorist act, one of a series of small ones which has
been mentioned as a possibility in the future. Certainly the cost in
life and money has been high if it is and more are likely to follow
because of its success. Le Monde says that authorities are worried
about similar acts occurring in Europe. Protection around the US
Embassy has been beefed up even more.
Next, the info on the vehicle, possibly close to having the correct
"We received license plate information from several witnesses -- different
information on different tags," said Fairfax County Police Chief Tom Manger.
"We're following up on all that information. We are not ready to release any
tag information about a suspect vehicle."
This is pretty far along, an arrest could occur shortly. Or a shoot out.
Earl
****
Sniper witnesses describe man in van
Military to aid sniper hunt
FALLS CHURCH, Virginia (CNN) --Three witnesses in the vicinity of two of the
Washington area sniper shootings saw an olive-skinned man in a white van,
law enforcement sources said Tuesday.
The accounts -- including one in which a witness saw two men in the van --
were being used by investigators to develop a composite sketch of a sniper
suspect.
They marked the first time law enforcement has described a suspicious person
in the case.
One of the witness accounts came from the site of Monday night's fatal
shooting of 47-year-old Linda Franklin, an FBI intelligence analyst from
Arlington, Virginia, outside a Home Depot in nearby Falls Church. (About
Franklin's life)
It was unclear when the sketch would be made public, if at all. Police also
said they were working with witnesses on another angle in the latest
shooting.
"We received license plate information from several witnesses -- different
information on different tags," said Fairfax County Police Chief Tom Manger.
"We're following up on all that information. We are not ready to release any
tag information about a suspect vehicle."
The shooting spree began October 2 when the sniper missed his intended
target. Since then, the sniper has killed nine people and wounded two
others, including a 13-year-old boy. Each victim was shot with a single
.223-caliber bullet. (More on victims)
Among other developments Tuesday, the FBI asked satellite operators to turn
over available images of the places the shootings took place. Investigators
want the weather and intelligence pictures so they can look for a possible
common denominator among the sites.
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld agreed to a law enforcement request to use
military reconnaissance and surveillance equipment in the hunt for the
sniper. (Full story)
Maryland Gov. Parris Glendening said he would sign an executive order
Wednesday temporarily banning outdoor recreational gunfire, including
hunting, in metropolitan Washington counties until the sniper incidents are
over.
The order, which will affect Montgomery, Prince George's, Anne Arundel and
Howard counties, came at the request of county officials who said police
already busy with sniper investigations are being swamped with calls about
gunfire.
'Jog people's memory'
The police agency coordinating the manhunt released new composite graphics
Tuesday of vehicles spotted at the scene of Friday's fatal shooting at a gas
station near Fredericksburg, Virginia -- a Ford Econoline van and white
Chevrolet Astro, both with roof ladder racks. (Suspect vehicles)
"These are graphics. These are not exact photos," said Montgomery County,
Maryland, Police Chief Charles Moose, who is spearheading the investigation.
"We want to use this to jog people's memory."
Authorities urged citizens who know about such vehicles to call the
investigation's 800 number, and people who drive such vehicles and were near
the scene of Friday's shooting were asked to contact authorities.
Moose said witnesses do not usually have photographic memories and often see
things differently. But he did not rule out that more than one vehicle was
involved.
"We don't want to speculate, but certainly it's not beyond any reality that
the person or persons involved in this would have numerous vehicles that
they could be using," Moose said. (What is known about the sniper)
Victim had been shopping with husband
The victim of Monday's shooting, Linda Franklin, was slain by a single
gunshot to the head on the ground level of a two-story parking garage
outside a Home Depot store in nearby Falls Church after shopping with her
husband. She was dead at the scene. (Witness accounts)
Police said ballistic evidence conclusively linked the shooting to the
others.
The shooting made Fairfax County the sixth locale in and around Washington
in which the sniper has struck. Other shootings took place in Montgomery and
Prince George's counties in Maryland, in Spotsylvania and Prince William
counties in Virginia, and in Washington. (Living in fear)
Manger said investigators were still looking for the origin of the shot in
Monday's attack at the Seven Corners Center on U.S. Highway 50 in Falls
Church. He would not say whether it appeared the shot was fired from a
distance, as has been the case with the other shootings.
In the same shopping center as the Home Depot is a Michaels craft store. The
sniper began his shooting spree on October 2 at a Michaels in Aspen Hill,
Maryland, but missed his intended target. The sniper wounded a woman at a
Michaels two days later in Fredericksburg.
Richard J
>
> It is not hard to read between the lines on this one.
>
> They have a description.
>
> The "olive-skinned" man part of the description indicates one of two main
> probabilities, 1) a middle easterner or 2) an Hispanic. I rule out Greeks
> and Italians at this time! (this is Sherlock writing not H. L. Mencken).
> So it could be a terrorist act, one of a series of small ones which has
> been mentioned as a possibility in the future. Certainly the cost in
> life and money has been high if it is and more are likely to follow
> because of its success. Le Monde says that authorities are worried
> about similar acts occurring in Europe. Protection around the US
> Embassy has been beefed up even more.
>
> Next, the info on the vehicle, possibly close to having the correct
>
> "We received license plate information from several witnesses -- different
> information on different tags," said Fairfax County Police Chief Tom Manger.
> "We're following up on all that information. We are not ready to release any
> tag information about a suspect vehicle."
>
> This is pretty far along, an arrest could occur shortly. Or a shoot out.
>
> Earl
>
Possibly. Of course, if this IS an act of terrorism deliberately
carried out it will be much more difficult. That implies more than one
person with resources and planning to have several vehicles. Even if it
is one person it is not a difficult thing to have either bogus plates or
two or three sets of plates. Quite simple really. Go to an auto junk
yard and find a wrecked vehicle the same as the one you own. Purchase
the vehicle, thus obtaining the title and go register it at the local
tax office. do this a few times and you have several sets of licensee
plates all for vehicles matching the description of the vehicle you
drive. Keep the police scanner on and when you hear them putting out an
APB for a partial plate matching yours, pull into an alley and change
the plates to the original, correct ones. 5 minutes and you are driving
with another set of plates.
Teflon
A Planet Visitor
"Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> wrote in message
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> Le Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:57:05 +0200, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> a écrit :
>
> > It is not hard to read between the lines on this one.
> >
> > They have a description.
> >
> > The "olive-skinned" man part of the description
>
> as he calls them ...
>
And that will be another of desi's lies. It demonstrates that I have
much more credibility here than desi ever dreamed of. Since when I
'implied that JPB had called Judge Zobel a 'crook,' a huge uproar arose,
arguing that JPB had not actually said it in those exact words. While
when you present lies here as quotes... hardly an eyebrow is raised. So
accustomed is the general reader here, to seeing you lie, that it no
longer is seen as any great concern. The response generally being
a sad shake of the head... and a muttered 'Oh... it's just desi, again.'
PV
> { snip }
>
> --
> Desmond Coughlan |THE BITCH DROPPED THE BIKE ON MY TOE
> |SO I DUMPED HER SORRY ASS
> |AND MY 5 KIDS AS WELL
Earl Evleth
a écrit le 16/10/02 16:00 :
> 5 minutes and you are driving
> with another set of plates.
Yes, but curiously he has been running risks. Same truck, ladder on
top and this time he shot from 40 yards. Sounds risk prone, perhaps
looking for a grand finale.
If he is Middle Eastern and part of the "gang" death means a lst class
ticket to paradise and a steady supply of virgins (note that these virgins
are actually angels of God in the service of the righteous, not the
daughters of other believers*). So an splashy exit is what these guys are
looking for.
Earl
*I have talked with a Moslem on this point since the religious has
a tight control on women. He explained the angel bit. Sounds logical
to me but I never could figure out this point before. What do women
get in paradise is still an unexplored issue.
JIGSAW1695
From: Richard J ric...@hotmail.com
Date: 10/16/2002 10:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <3DAD70F6...@hotmail.com>
Teflon
===============================
Very good Teflon....very good indeed.
The only way that you can tell the difference is by the VIN number.
Richard J
>
> dans l'article 3DAD70F6...@hotmail.com, Richard J à ric...@hotmail.com
> a écrit le 16/10/02 16:00 :
>
> > 5 minutes and you are driving
> > with another set of plates.
>
> Yes, but curiously he has been running risks. Same truck, ladder on
> top and this time he shot from 40 yards. Sounds risk prone, perhaps
> looking for a grand finale.
>
That is the pattern with serial killers. I feel he is taking too many
risks to be a terrorist, but your points below are valid.
> If he is Middle Eastern and part of the "gang" death means a lst class
> ticket to paradise and a steady supply of virgins (note that these virgins
> are actually angels of God in the service of the righteous, not the
> daughters of other believers*). So an splashy exit is what these guys are
> looking for.
>
> Earl
That's true. The one thing which I've seen pointed out, however, that
makes me think it isn't a terrorist or a cell is that no one has yet
taken claim to the act. That is nearly a universal thing among
terrorists.
>
> *I have talked with a Moslem on this point since the religious has
> a tight control on women. He explained the angel bit. Sounds logical
> to me but I never could figure out this point before. What do women
> get in paradise is still an unexplored issue.
>
Their virginity back, obviously.
Teflon
Richard J
The best way to do it is keep bogus plates on until you hear the APB,
and then put the real ones back on. That way the plates match the vin.
Of course, if you know what you are doing, it isn't that hard to
counterfeit the VIN plate on the dash. Harder to take out the hidden
VIN elsewhere, however.
Teflon
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
> Earl Evleth wrote:
> > What do women
> > get in paradise is still an unexplored issue.
> Their virginity back, obviously.
And this is a good thing _how_?
Mr Q. Z. D.
--
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If you're missing two fingers." - Tom Lehrer ((O))
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Hot on the trial of the sniper
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:55:49 +0000
>
>Le Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:45:00 +0200, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> a écrit
>:
>
>{ snip }
>
>> If he is Middle Eastern and part of the "gang"
>
>Er ... I'd just like to point out that John, QZD, and I have _nothing_ to
>do with these killings ...
>
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Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Hot on the trial of the sniper
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:09:38 +0000
>
>Le Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:57:05 +0200, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> a écrit
>:
>
>> It is not hard to read between the lines on this one.
>>
>> They have a description.
>>
>> The "olive-skinned" man part of the description
>
>That will be one of LDB's 'lying, deceitful, unwashed Palestinian skumbags',
>as he calls them ...
>
>{ snip }
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Richard J
I didn't say it was necessarily good, unless it allows them to forget
all the arab men they've known in bed.
Teflon
JIGSAW1695
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Le Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:09:23 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a écrit
:
{ snip }
>> That will be one of LDB's 'lying, deceitful, unwashed Palestinian skumbags',
>> as he calls them ...
> And that will be another of desi's lies. It demonstrates that I have
> much more credibility here than desi ever dreamed of. Since when I
> 'implied that JPB had called Judge Zobel a 'crook,' a huge uproar arose,
> arguing that JPB had not actually said it in those exact words. While
> when you present lies here as quotes... hardly an eyebrow is raised.
Simply because all of AADP _knows_ that you're a racist liar, LDB. Silly
boy ... why should anyone 'raise an eyebrow', when they know it to be the
case ?
Oh, and drop those 'pant's' (sic) ... spank ... spank ... spank ...
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Dezi, I have been reviewing several of your pas posts. It is apparent that seem
to have some sort of obsession with images of spanking. Does talking about
spanking give you some sort of physiological stimulant? If you think you need
professional help, I am sure that France has some sort of health program for
unfortunate wretches such as yourself. In the meantime, stay away from sharp
objects, excessive alcohol and feel free to leave a small light on in your
bedroom as you sleep.
A Planet Visitor
> Le Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:09:23 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> >> as he calls them ...
>
> > And that will be another of desi's lies. It demonstrates that I have
> > much more credibility here than desi ever dreamed of. Since when I
> > 'implied that JPB had called Judge Zobel a 'crook,' a huge uproar arose,
> > arguing that JPB had not actually said it in those exact words. While
> > when you present lies here as quotes... hardly an eyebrow is raised.
>
> boy ... why should anyone 'raise an eyebrow', when they know it to be the
> case ?
>
But I have 'PROOF' from your words -- Some words of desi --
'Gimmie da money, honkey mothafucka, oh ah toast yo >ass !!'
"'Gimme da dough, mothafucka o ah toast yo ass !!'"
"smelly 'Jigaboo' auslander.
"I even 'tweaked' your nose a few days back, by using the
word 'jigaboo'"
"ragheads"
"Arab cunts"
"same bestial beating administered
to LDB's now almost 'jigaboo' buttocks"
"Iraq is ruled by 'filty ragheads.'"
"All Germans smell of sausage."
"smelly 'auslanders'."
Not to mention that you fear homosexuals as well.. and, at the risk of you calling
me 'pseudo-intellectual' for a word 'too big' foir you -- That makes you homophobic.
> Oh, and drop those 'pant's' (sic) ... spank ... spank ... spank ...
>
Desi...desi... desi... you know plagiarism, isn't nice. I can only attribute
it to the fact that you are again 'in the bag'... and can hardly be expected to be
coherent.
PV
Rev. Don Kool
Desi Coughlan wrote:
> Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> { snip }
>
>
>>That's true. The one thing which I've seen pointed out, however, that
>>makes me think it isn't a terrorist or a cell is that no one has yet
>>taken claim to the act. That is nearly a universal thing among
>>terrorists.
>
>
> Yup ... just like no one has yet claimed responsibility for '9/11' (sic).
Actually Osama Bin Laden claimed responsibility for 9-11, my uninformed
young friend. Do try to keep up. Perhaps you will look like less of an
ass that way.
Happy to have cleared things up for you,
Don
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Hot on the trial of the sniper
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 04:54:07 +0000
>
>Le Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:57:20 -0500, Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com> a écrit :
>
>
>{ snip }
>
>> That's true. The one thing which I've seen pointed out, however, that
>> makes me think it isn't a terrorist or a cell is that no one has yet
>> taken claim to the act. That is nearly a universal thing among
>> terrorists.
>
>Yup ... just like no one has yet claimed responsibility for '9/11' (sic).
>
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Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Hot on the trial of the sniper
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 04:11:28 +0000
>
>Le Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:09:23 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a
>écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> That will be one of LDB's 'lying, deceitful, unwashed Palestinian
>skumbags',
>>> as he calls them ...
>
>> And that will be another of desi's lies. It demonstrates that I have
>> much more credibility here than desi ever dreamed of. Since when I
>> 'implied that JPB had called Judge Zobel a 'crook,' a huge uproar arose,
>> arguing that JPB had not actually said it in those exact words. While
>> when you present lies here as quotes... hardly an eyebrow is raised.
>
>Simply because all of AADP _knows_ that you're a racist liar, LDB. Silly
>boy ... why should anyone 'raise an eyebrow', when they know it to be the
>case ?
>
>Oh, and drop those 'pant's' (sic) ... spank ... spank ... spank ...
>
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> > makes me think it isn't a terrorist or a cell is that no one has yet
> > taken claim to the act. That is nearly a universal thing among
> > terrorists.
>
>
you would hardly understand his language (or do you speak Arabic, as
well as fluent German and Hebrew???... ho ho ho). See
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Dec2001/d20011213ubl.pdf
In that transcript, bin Laden refers to "we calculated in advance the
number of casualties..." and "I was the most optimistic of them all."
And a 'Shaykh,' remarks to bin Laden "We congratulate you for the
great work." Certainly implying that he recognizes 'you' is bin Laden,
who was responsible for the attack.
And in the second part -- Abu Guaith, when speaking to bin
Laden, states "In revenge for the children of Al Aqsa', Usama Bin
Ladin executes an operation against America." And bin Laden rather
agrees with that conclusion, certainly not correcting him. If bin Laden
wished to give 'credit' to the suicide terrorists, rather than claim it for
himself, he would simply have needed to say "no... it was not me... but
those brave fighters for Islamic Jihad."
PV
Just passing by
> Actually, it is only your drunken ravings speaking now.
> But I have 'PROOF' from your words -- Some words of desi --
> "Iraq is ruled by 'filty ragheads.'"
(others snipped)
Having grown accustomed to PV's tactic of either lying about what
somebody else has said or deliberately distorting it by ignoring its
context, I thought I would check this one out. I found the "quote" in
question and, as I knew would be the case, Desmond has never said any
such thing. PV is again, because he lacks the ability to engage in
real debate, telling lies about someone he could never hope to get the
better of by playing it straight.
What Desmond really posted was this:
> Near the bottom of that article, is this link ...
>
> url:http://www.guardian.co.uk/indonesia/Story/0,2763,811368,00.html
>
> ... which states,
>
> 'There are no direct ties between Jemaah Islamiyah and Osama
> bin Laden's al-Qaida network ...'
>
> That won't stop Blair and Bush from using it as yet another pretext to
> invade Iraq ... not that Iraq has anything to do with al'Queda either,
> other than that it's ruled by 'filthy ragheads'.
>
> LDB's 'philosophy' (sic) is alive and well in the West ...
>
So clearly Desmond was not stating that Iraq was ruled by "filthy
ragheads" at all, but simply using that common pejorative term in an
ironic or sarcastic manner to attack those who do hold such views. On
previous occasions Desmond has used the term "ragheads" in a similarly
ironic way to draw attention to PV's alleged anti-Arab racism, but on
no occasion has he used it to express a personal opinion of Arabs.
I haven't checked any of the other "quotes" that PV listed, but does
anyone really doubt that they are yet more examples of PV's blatant
deceitfulness that is such a dominant feature of almost every message
he posts?
PV, you really are the most dishonest and inept debater I have ever
seen in my life. What you don't seem to realise is that in a forum
like this, anyone - yes, ANYONE - can very easily check anything that
is posted for its authenticity or lack of. And yet you post lie after
lie, distortion after distortion, seemingly oblivious to the ease with
which anyone reading it can simply check the archives to discover the
truth.
That is quite different from expressing an opinion or an
interpretation of an event which can be argued about, often without
any definite conclusion. But what you do is tell a stream of outright
lies without even considering how it will make you look when they are
exposed.
It is worth repeating what I have told you today in another thread.
"You can't help being stupid but you can help being a liar and fraud.
And given that everyone can easily see that you are a liar and a
fraud, one might have thought you would try to correct that by
starting to behave differently. But then the reason you haven't worked
that out is because you are stupid, which, as I said, you can't help.
So on and on it will no doubt go."
You are the boy who cried wolf come to life. One day you might
actually stumble upon something true and significant to attack someone
with. But nobody will believe it or even take any notice. "Ah, it's
obviously just another of PV's pathetic lies," they will all say,
before closing your post with the usual sigh and shake of the head.
A Planet Visitor
"Just passing by" <unimpre...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:21b1da28.02101...@posting.google.com...
> "A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<b7rr9.142110$O8.34...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>...
>
> > Actually, it is only your drunken ravings speaking now.
> > But I have 'PROOF' from your words -- Some words of desi --
>
> > "Iraq is ruled by 'filty ragheads.'"
> (others snipped)
>
> Having grown accustomed to PV's tactic of either lying about what
> somebody else has said or deliberately distorting it by ignoring its
> context, I thought I would check this one out. I found the "quote" in
> question and, as I knew would be the case, Desmond has never said any
> such thing. PV is again, because he lacks the ability to engage in
> real debate, telling lies about someone he could never hope to get the
> better of by playing it straight.
>
> What Desmond really posted was this:
>
> > Near the bottom of that article, is this link ...
> >
> > url:http://www.guardian.co.uk/indonesia/Story/0,2763,811368,00.html
> >
> > ... which states,
> >
> > 'There are no direct ties between Jemaah Islamiyah and Osama
> > bin Laden's al-Qaida network ...'
> >
> > That won't stop Blair and Bush from using it as yet another pretext to
> > invade Iraq ... not that Iraq has anything to do with al'Queda either,
> > other than that it's ruled by 'filthy ragheads'.
> >
> > LDB's 'philosophy' (sic) is alive and well in the West ...
> >
>
> So clearly Desmond was not stating that Iraq was ruled by "filthy
> ragheads" at all,
LOL... And you never stated that Zobel KNOWS she didn't do it, either.
Clearly, desi WAS stating exactly that, and was presuming that I felt
that way as well.
> but simply using that common pejorative term in an
> ironic or sarcastic manner to attack those who do hold such views. On
> previous occasions Desmond has used the term "ragheads" in a similarly
> ironic
'ironic????' You have a funny way of interpreting 'racism' as 'irony.'
> way to draw attention to PV's alleged anti-Arab racism, but on
> no occasion has he used it to express a personal opinion of Arabs.
>
You would certainly need to show exactly the words of a post from
me that demonstrates 'anti-Arab racism.' Clearly, you accusing me
of such, without some substantial proof, leads me to believe that you
are anti-Semitic. And your pathetic attempts to deny the very meaning
of the term 'anti-Semitic,' would tend to bear that out. Have you checked
THOSE resources to find out how 'anti-Semitic' it is to DENY that
'Anti-Semitism' refers to 'one who is hostile or opposed to the Jews.'
And NOT all Semites.
<pathetic ravings clipped... obviously our boy JPB has become hysterical
about my having so totally demolished any belief in the 'innocence' of
the 'Great White Whale.' There is a certain pity that one must feel when
reading his ravings. A certain delusional denial of REALITY>
PV
John Rennie
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
snip
>
> <pathetic ravings clipped... obviously our boy JPB has become hysterical
> about my having so totally demolished any belief in the 'innocence' of
> the 'Great White Whale.' There is a certain pity that one must feel when
> reading his ravings. A certain delusional denial of REALITY>
>
> PV
Leave this subject alone, PV. Or I'll just have to change sides
again. Oh no! I can't do that. Desmond's just called
me a 'fucking prick'. How sad. 'A curse on both THEIR
houses.', then.
Just passing by
> obviously our boy JPB has become hysterical
> about my having so totally demolished any belief in the 'innocence' of
> the 'Great White Whale.
Ah yes, thank you for reminding me of that other habit of yours:
consistently claiming "victory" in every series of exchanges you take
part in, however thoroughly you are beaten and humiliated, and however
much you make a complete ass of yourself trying to argue about matters
you manifestly know nothing about.
It reminds me of the end of the Gulf war. There was Saddam Hussein,
his army and elite Republican Guard almost wiped out; his dreams of
ruling Kuwait lying in ruins; his domestic popularity at an all time
low; his once awesome military machine reduced to rubble. There stood
a man amidst his country's demolished infrastructure in the aftermath
of one of the most decisive and one-sided military routs of all time,
very lucky to have escaped with his own life.
And his reaction? "We won," he announced to the Iraqi people. "The
enemy have fled. Victory in the mother of all battles is ours."
You, PV, are the Saddam Hussein of this newsgroup.
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Hot on the trial of the sniper
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 23:02:57 +0000
>
>Le 19 Oct 2002 15:36:02 -0700, Just passing by <unimpre...@yahoo.com> a
>écrit :
>I had considered this analogy before. Anyone here can see that LDB
>has not 'won' a single argument on this newsgroup for about at least
>eighteen months now. Indeed, as soon as he makes his first post to
>any thread, it is a certainty that he will be destroyed, accuse his
>opponent of being 'mental', or 'racist', or 'an Anti-Semite', or 'a
>homophobe', or 'a pedantic [sic]', or 'a dumbfuck German', or 'a
>moron' ... or any combination of the above.
>
>Yet we still see Rennie call him 'more than a match' for me. All I
>can say is that he hides it well ...
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>desmond @ zeouane.org |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>http: // www . zeouane . org
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Hot on the trial of the sniper
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 17:36:53 +0000
>
>Le 19 Oct 2002 10:21:27 -0700, Just passing by <unimpre...@yahoo.com> a
>écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> "Iraq is ruled by 'filty ragheads.'"
>
>> Having grown accustomed to PV's tactic of either lying about what
>> somebody else has said or deliberately distorting it by ignoring its
>> context, I thought I would check this one out. I found the "quote" in
>> question and, as I knew would be the case, Desmond has never said any
>> such thing. PV is again, because he lacks the ability to engage in
>> real debate, telling lies about someone he could never hope to get the
>> better of by playing it straight.
>
>You shouldn't be surprised by LDB's deception. In fact, he even posted
>once that one need not make an anti-Semitic remark, to be considered an
>anti-Semite. That just about says it all. The Golden Rule is, kick
>LDB's 'ass' (sic), and he will call you racist, homophobic, sexist,
>anti-American, anti-Semitic, a paedophile, a terrorist, a torturer of
>small animals, and finish by comparing you with a historical dictator.
>
>Which brings us to ...
>
>> PV, you really are the most dishonest and inept debater I have ever
>> seen in my life.
>
>Indeed. Which makes Rennie and Diablo's almost creepy 'hero-worship' of
>him, well ... creepy.
>
>{ snip another hammering delievred to The World's Most Stupid Man (tm) }
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>desmond @ zeouane.org |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>http: // www . zeouane . org
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
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A Planet Visitor
>
> > somebody else has said or deliberately distorting it by ignoring its
> > context, I thought I would check this one out. I found the "quote" in
> > question and, as I knew would be the case, Desmond has never said any
> > such thing. PV is again, because he lacks the ability to engage in
> > real debate, telling lies about someone he could never hope to get the
> > better of by playing it straight.
>
> once that one need not make an anti-Semitic remark, to be considered an
> anti-Semite. That just about says it all. The Golden Rule is, kick
> LDB's 'ass' (sic), and he will call you racist, homophobic, sexist,
> anti-American, anti-Semitic, a paedophile, a terrorist, a torturer of
> small animals, and finish by comparing you with a historical dictator.
>
> Which brings us to ...
>
> > seen in my life.
>
> him, well ... creepy.
>
> { snip another hammering delievred to The World's Most Stupid Man (tm) }
>
desi desperately needs to 'search for a friend.' And what a friend that one
is. In love with a baby-killer, and in denial of the meaning of anti-Semitism.
You sure know how to pick 'em, FDP. Actually, you'll pick any that might
even give you a nod. And desi... you were quoted quite accurately, because
you were certainly NOT 'quoting' me.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=ragheads+group:alt.activism.death-penalty+author:Planet&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&fi
lter=0
The posts which contain the word 'ragheads' which I have responded to
1) Desmond wrote in 'WAR' -'What the fuck, it's only ragheads ?'
2) Desmond wrote in "The Joys of a.a.d.p." Hey, why bother, right ?
They're only ragheads ... 'Arab cunts', whom you'll never again trust."
3) Desmond wrote in "The prepared text"..."not that Iraq has anything to
do with al'Queda either, other than that it's ruled by 'filthy ragheads'."
If you can show where I have EVER used that word, as one of MY
words, not simply quoting YOUR words, I will humbly kiss your feet.
Otherwise, you are again simply a proven liar. And your use of those
words could ONLY be YOU speaking for yourself. But I'm sure
wishing to here more about that Church you founded.
PV
> --
> Rev Desmond Coughlan |Great White Father of the
|Universal Right to Life Church
|of AADP -- 'all Black starving
|children in Africa not admitted'
A Planet Visitor
LOL.
> Anyone here can see that LDB
> has not 'won' a single argument on this newsgroup for about at least
> eighteen months now.
I've certainly made you look like a fool in respect to your pathetic,
sanctimonious, bible-thumping, prayer-meeting, holy-roller claim
of a 'Universal Right to Life.' You could make money selling tickets
to that circus... since as Barnum said -- 'there's a sucker born every
minute.'
> Indeed, as soon as he makes his first post to
> any thread, it is a certainty that he will be destroyed, accuse his
> opponent of being 'mental', or 'racist', or 'an Anti-Semite', or 'a
> homophobe', or 'a pedantic [sic]', or 'a dumbfuck German', or 'a
> moron' ... or any combination of the above.
>
GIMMICK # 3 -- Desi lies
GIMMICK # 5 -- Desi provides a bigoted insult to offset his own recognized
bigotry.
> Yet we still see Rennie call him 'more than a match' for me. All I
> can say is that he hides it well ...
>
It's not that hard to do, actually. Everyone but you knows that. It is
much harder to 'keep track' of your lies, though. They just keep coming.
PV
> --
> Right Rev Desmond Coughlan |High Illustrious Revered Priest
|of the Order of Universal Right
|to life Church of AADP
A Planet Visitor
"Just passing by" <unimpre...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:21b1da28.02101...@posting.google.com...
PV
A Planet Visitor
"John Rennie" <j.re...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:49is9.1321$kF3.79334@newsfep2-gui...
in respect to something about my claiming that JPB has SAID
that Judge Zobel was a crook. Now I cannot even FIND that particular
saying of mine that created such an outcry from you. The closest
I can find in my comment to dirtbag, where I said "How does one go about
providing a counter-example to someone saying 'the judge was
a crook'?" Obviously, when I look at it now, that could be speaking in
a rhetorical sense... or even... as JPB now foolishly used... the
pejorative. So I imagine this is the comment that caused you to so
often call me a liar. Now, recognizing that my words were certainly
liable to be misconstrued, I both apologized for any confusion, and
categorically stated that JPB has never used the words 'Zobel' and
'crook' in any one sentence.
Now... we turn to THIS thread... where JPB defends desi's presumed quote
of ME, by claiming it is desi's "pejorative term in an ironic or sarcastic
manner to attack those who do hold such views." Well, clearly, that
makes everything that desi says not a lie -- but simply a pejorative.
The 'perfect alibi.' While anything that I say -- must be a lie. The perfect
conviction. Certainly desi included the words in question in QUOTES,
which would presume it was a direct quote from ME. And this is not the
first time, he has done so. See
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+%22ragheads%22+group:alt.activism.death-penalty+author:Planet&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=U
TF-8&filter=0
Now... I know that you have been more than fair is the desi-PV battle.
But where is your comment to desi that HE is a liar. Or to JPB
that he has become obsessed with me, as he has with the 'Great White
Whale'? Since you will find I have NEVER used that word in my entire
posting history, except when I have expressly QUOTED desi having
used it.
PV
Earl Evleth
Visitor à abc...@zbqytr.ykq a écrit le 20/10/02 10:01 :
>
> PV
PV sent off 11 messages all dated
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 04:01:16 EDT
Yipes, 4 AM in the morning. Dracula is still up and writing
at 4AM.
He should be back under his rock at this time, nearly noon Paris time,
6 AM Florida time.
Florida Swamp Rats are night creatures??
Earl
Just passing by
> Well... let's look at something. I recall that you called me a liar
> in respect to something about my claiming that JPB has SAID
> that Judge Zobel was a crook. Now I cannot even FIND that particular
> saying of mine that created such an outcry from you.
Then let me help you by finding the TWO lies in question for you.
Two lies? Oh yes, because you didn't only tell dirtdog that I had
CALLED Zobel a crook, but also, and quite separately, that I had asked
you to PROVE he was not a crook. Here are both lies for you:
"How does one go about providing a counter-example to someone saying
'the judge was a crook'?"
"But what he is asking is that I provide proof that the judge is not a
crook."
And it is that 2nd lie that you are still running away from. The chain
of events is as follows.
1. Dirtdog asks PV why he will not discuss the evidence in the LW
case. PV replies that it is because I have called the judge a crook
and have asked him to prove he is not one.
2. I immediately reply to challenge PV's 2 lies and ask him to back
them up.
3. PV does not reply. The man who, as John has noted, always wants to
be the last man standing, uncharacteristically disappears from the
thread.
4. I continue to pursue PV in other threads, repeatedly asking him to
explain why he lied. But still PV fails to respond.
5. Eventually this evasion is noticed by other posters who also start
asking PV about the Zobel lies. Faced with this now inescapable
pressure, PV offers the explanation that what he really meant was that
I had only "implied" Zobel was a crook when I had made general
comments about corruption in the state of Massachusetts.
6. I ask him why he didn't say this when I first challenged him about
it, or the time after, or the time after that, etc. He replies that it
was because he couldn't be bothered.
7. I then ask him about the 2nd lie and how he might conveniently
weave that into his explanation. But he fails to respond. Again and
again I pursue him to explain the 2nd lie about me asking him to
"prove" the judge is not a crook, but still he runs & hides. To this
day he has still not answered a single question about that 2nd lie.
> Now, recognizing that my words were certainly
> liable to be misconstrued, I both apologized for any confusion, and
> categorically stated that JPB has never used the words 'Zobel' and
> 'crook' in any one sentence.
But your *apology* is empty and meaningless because only yesterday you
were at it again. In what is almost a re-run of the early stages of
the above episode, you lied by telling John that I had accused a
member of the defence team of being corrupt.
> If you look closely at JPB's 'argument'
> it rests ENTIRELY on everyone in the prosecution (and even one in
> the defense) being corrupt.
So as before, I immediately challenged you to back up that accusation.
I asked you who this person was who you say I have called corrupt. I
even tried to guess who you might be referring to (EWS) and showed how
I have never suggested she was corrupt. But as before, you ran away
from explaining. This was your answer:
> You no longer hold any interest for me.
And nothing about your lie that I had called a member of the defence
team corrupt.
I also challenged you about another lie you told in the same sentence:
i.e. that my ENTIRE argument concerned people being corrupt, when in
fact that is only a small part of my argument - the medical evidence
having taken up far greater space. But you ignored that challenge too.
A third lie in that same sentence was that I have accused "everyone in
the prosecution" of being corrupt. Admittedly I didn't challenge you
on that one so I can't accuse you of evading it, but 3 lies in one
short sentence must be something of a record.
A Planet Visitor
> Le Sun, 20 Oct 2002 11:50:50 +0200, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> a écrit :
>
> > PV sent off 11 messages all dated
> >
> > NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 04:01:16 EDT
> >
> > Yipes, 4 AM in the morning. Dracula is still up and writing
> > at 4AM.
> >
> > He should be back under his rock at this time, nearly noon Paris time,
> > 6 AM Florida time.
> >
> > Florida Swamp Rats are night creatures??
>
> by LDB. Thirty-two of them 'obsessiving' (sic) over me !! In other words,
> whilst I have kept LDB's poison directed at me in 80% of his posts over
> the past eight months or so, this last 24 hours has seen my success rate
> soar to a terrific 96.9% !!
>
> Yes, almost _ninety-seven percent_ of LDB's time on AADP, is now spent
> slavishly responding to my posts. What is more exquisite ... all of them,
> yes ladies and gentlemen ... 100% of his responses, contain the 'spam'
> that JPB recognised as being indicative of LDB's responses, when beaten.
>
> One hundred percent !!
>
> Today is a proud day in the annals of fighting evil. Our 'enemy' who is
> apparently 'more than a match' for us ... lies prone and weeping at our
> feet. Let us celebrate, fellow abolitionists ... for the dark cloud of
> stinking venom that once hung over AADP, has been blown just a little
> bit, aside ... and a gust of fresh air fills our lungs !!
>
Oh, Boy... straight out of the mold of Jerry Falwell. Excerpts of the sermon for the
day from Desi, the High Priest of Hypocrisy --
"Man was originally created by the E.U. as a perfect being. The E.U. gave man
all good things at creation including the right to exclude all others from the
E.U. 'Universal' (sic) Right to Life Church.
The world long looked forward to the day when a Messiah would come and
redeem the world from the Satanic temptation of America. The E.U. is that
perfect, sinless Messiah. Amen... let us pray...sinners"
Umm... and deposit all your ready cash into the coffers to keep the perfect
E.U. on its feet.
PV
> --
> Rt. Rev. Desmond Coughlan |High Priest of hypocrisy, and Minister
|of the Faith to the Church of everlasting
|and eternal Universal Right to Life of the
|E.U. (no Jews need apply)
A Planet Visitor
"Earl Evleth" <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message news:B9D8491A.329D%evl...@wanadoo.fr...
> dans l'article gpts9.4542$r7.1...@twister.tampabay.rr.com, A Planet
> Visitor à abc...@zbqytr.ykq a écrit le 20/10/02 10:01 :
>
> >
> > PV
>
>
> PV sent off 11 messages all dated
>
> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 04:01:16 EDT
>
> Yipes, 4 AM in the morning. Dracula is still up and writing
> at 4AM.
>
> He should be back under his rock at this time, nearly noon Paris time,
> 6 AM Florida time.
>
my waking hours, and my home life.
> Florida Swamp Rats are night creatures??
>
Actually, Earl. I received the flu shot Tues last... and the flu would have
been preferable. I've not left the house, and yesterday, stayed in bed all
day, and found myself at night unable to sleep. Now... back under your
rock... or tell me if there is ANY retentionist you do not believe is
'immoral' and has a 'corroded soul' for holding that view? I need to know
where exactly you draw the line in 'retentionist immorality.' Answer that
basic question, Earl. Or admit that you view retention of the DP in a
bigoted view that ALL retentionists are 'immoral.' While I certainly don't
conclude that ALL abolitionists are 'immoral.' Again -- Is there ANY
retentionist that you don't believe is 'immoral' or has a 'corroded soul'?
And, if so, what VALUES different than mine would cause you to find
such a person who is a proclaimed retentionist? If you need to be
reminded of those values I've already given you, because of the ravages
of age taken on your memory, I'll be glad to provide them again.
I find that when the HARD questions are asked... some abolitionists,
not all, but certainly you, tend to scurry about and avoid those
hard choices. I saw that in a recent dialog with Peter, and I've
always seen it in you.
PV
> Earl
>
>
>
>
A Planet Visitor
"Just passing by" <unimpre...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:21b1da28.0210...@posting.google.com...
> "A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<hpts9.4543$r7.1...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>...
>
> > Well... let's look at something. I recall that you called me a liar
> > in respect to something about my claiming that JPB has SAID
> > that Judge Zobel was a crook. Now I cannot even FIND that particular
> > saying of mine that created such an outcry from you.
>
> Then let me help you by finding the TWO lies in question for you.
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl2365568964d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&selm=B4%2579.335448%24XH.7441899%40tw
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>
'Zobel is a crook.' Using YOUR defense of desi... I was just using a
"common pejorative term in an ironic or sarcastic manner to attack
those who do hold such views"
<pathetic ravings clipped>
PV
A Planet Visitor
> Le 20 Oct 2002 08:32:49 -0700, Just passing by <unimpre...@yahoo.com> a écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> > A third lie in that same sentence was that I have accused "everyone in
> > the prosecution" of being corrupt. Admittedly I didn't challenge you
> > on that one so I can't accuse you of evading it, but 3 lies in one
> > short sentence must be something of a record.
>
> requring a subject, a verb, and an object ? LDB's lies require none
> of them ... he could print a 'sentence' with a single full stop, and it
> would have a lie in there somewhere. As he said on 22 July 2002 ...
>
Desi's GIMMICK # 1 -- the old, old, tired, tired standby of pedantry.
>
<clipped pathetic ravings of the 'High Priest' of the Holy Church of Universal Right
to Life for the E.U. (all others -- fuck off)>
I'm still waiting for you to present the post that you claim I made a
particular reference to Arabs. Knowing full well, that such a post does
not exist... you're simply a liar.
PV
> --
> Rt. Rev. Desmond Coughlan |High Illustrious Revered Priest
A Planet Visitor
> Le Sun, 20 Oct 2002 08:01:17 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a écrit :
>
> > While anything that I say -- must be a lie.
>
> is not enough, and AADP sees only a flick of his tail, as he scurries
> away ...
>
GIMMICK # 8 - more of desi's famous 'mindless drivel.' Just once, I'd
like to see him hold his end up in an argument without using that one,
and a few of the other GIMMICKS we have all come to know and recognize
as 'no argument at all.'
And BTW -FDP. Thank you for introducing me to the concept of your
GIMMICKS... it has enabled me to more clearly categorize your worthless
drooling, into a more recognizable index data base.
PV
> --
> Rev Desmond Coughlan |High Illustrious Revered Priest
A Planet Visitor
> Le Sun, 20 Oct 2002 18:18:52 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a écrit :
>
> > "Earl Evleth" <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message news:B9D8491A.329D%evl...@wanadoo.fr...
>
> percentage of your raving, desktop-thumping, finger-pointing, spittle-
> spraying, high-pitched-screaming rants aimed at me, down to below 100%.
> That's 'fowl' (sic ... LOL !!) of you ...
>
> { snip pathetic 'dear diary' droning }
>
> Newsflash, retard (think 'relative', LDB ... ROTFLMAO !!!), no one is
> interested in your 'life'. Perhaps you could 'finf' (sic) a murderer who'd
> be willing to 'join' it ...
>
Ah, yes.... Desi's old standby -- the pathetic and obsessive use of
'retard.' Right up there with 'Drewl.' I only wish I could somehow draw
him out into calling me 'retard' for remarking on his using 'retard.'
But... been there... done that... and hes just too easy.
PV
> --
A Planet Visitor
> Le Sun, 20 Oct 2002 18:18:53 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a écrit :
>
> { snip LDB's finger getting pointed at the screen, and his screaming in
> impotent rage and frustration }
>
> > I'm still waiting for you to present the post that you claim I made a
> > particular reference to Arabs.
>
> sentence: another six months 'plagiarizing' (sic) billytwat's twelth-
> grade jibes.
>
The verdict is actually in that you are now a proven liar. Since you
claim to have 'quoted' me, and most certainly cannot find anything
in my past words even close to having provided such an insult.
So... GIMMICK # 3 -- Desi lies.
PV
> --
>Rev Desmond Coughlan |Superlunary and Most Exalted
|Spiritual Leader of the Universal
|Right to Life Church. (umm... get
|away from me -- you filthy black
|starving child in Africa) 'My church'
|isn't for you.
Just passing by
> Actually, Earl. I received the flu shot Tues last... and the flu would have
> been preferable. I've not left the house, and yesterday, stayed in bed all
> day, and found myself at night unable to sleep
I used to be very prone to flu until somebody advised me to take zinc.
I didn't really believe it would do any good but decided to try it
anyway. From that day I have taken one zinc tablet every day. That was
about six years ago and during that time I have not had the flu once.
I hardly ever even get minor colds anymore.
It could all be a coincidence but I don't think so.
(HMMMM. Why am I giving this good advice to PV? He doesn't deserve
it.)
Er .. PV? I was lying about the zinc. It is really cyanide I take to
ward off the flu. I thoroughly recommend that you try it at once.
yours_most_truly
<snipped>
> I used to be very prone to flu until somebody advised me to take zinc.
> I didn't really believe it would do any good but decided to try it
> anyway. From that day I have taken one zinc tablet every day. That was
> about six years ago and during that time I have not had the flu once.
> I hardly ever even get minor colds anymore.
>
> It could all be a coincidence but I don't think so.
>
> (HMMMM. Why am I giving this good advice to PV? He doesn't deserve
> it.)
>
> Er .. PV? I was lying about the zinc. It is really cyanide I take to
> ward off the flu. I thoroughly recommend that you try it at once.
LOL. Actually, in his case either a tablespoon of garlic juice or
holy water would be just as efficacious.
I hope your reliance on zinc was also tongue-in-cheek. If not, I
have yet to read of any credible double-blind study that indicates
zinc can even alleviate cold symptoms, much less prevent any kind of
virus infection. You probably started taking zinc tablets because
you began to pay more attention to your health in general and as a
result your immune system became stronger. That could have included
anything from taking daily multivitamins, getting more sleep, etc.
You might have started to use a cell phone rather than handling public
phone receivers, or a credit card more than handling paper currency.
Not having kids of primary school age range also helps. But zinc?
Correlation is not causation!
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Hot on the trial of the sniper
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 15:10:51 +0000
>
>Le Sun, 20 Oct 2002 08:01:17 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a
>écrit :
>
>> While anything that I say -- must be a lie.
>
>A faint glimmer of comprehension on LDB's scaly face ... but alas, it
>is not enough, and AADP sees only a flick of his tail, as he scurries
>away ...
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>desmond @ zeouane.org |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>http: // www . zeouane . org
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Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Hot on the trial of the sniper
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 20:24:45 +0000
>
>Le Sun, 20 Oct 2002 18:18:53 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a
>écrit :
>
>{ snip LDB's finger getting pointed at the screen, and his screaming in
> impotent rage and frustration }
>
>> I'm still waiting for you to present the post that you claim I made a
>> particular reference to Arabs.
>
>It's no use, LDB. The jury's in. The verdict: you're a spastic. The
>sentence: another six months 'plagiarizing' (sic) billytwat's twelth-
>grade jibes.
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>desmond @ zeouane.org |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
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Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Hot on the trial of the Florida Swamp Rat
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 15:06:12 +0000
>
>Le Sun, 20 Oct 2002 11:50:50 +0200, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> a écrit
>:
>
>> PV sent off 11 messages all dated
>>
>> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 04:01:16 EDT
>>
>> Yipes, 4 AM in the morning. Dracula is still up and writing
>> at 4AM.
>>
>> He should be back under his rock at this time, nearly noon Paris time,
>> 6 AM Florida time.
>>
>> Florida Swamp Rats are night creatures??
>
>This morning's 'crop' was a particularly satisfying one, Earl. 33 posts
>by LDB. Thirty-two of them 'obsessiving' (sic) over me !! In other words,
>whilst I have kept LDB's poison directed at me in 80% of his posts over
>the past eight months or so, this last 24 hours has seen my success rate
>soar to a terrific 96.9% !!
>
>Yes, almost _ninety-seven percent_ of LDB's time on AADP, is now spent
>slavishly responding to my posts. What is more exquisite ... all of them,
>yes ladies and gentlemen ... 100% of his responses, contain the 'spam'
>that JPB recognised as being indicative of LDB's responses, when beaten.
>
>One hundred percent !!
>
>Today is a proud day in the annals of fighting evil. Our 'enemy' who is
>apparently 'more than a match' for us ... lies prone and weeping at our
>feet. Let us celebrate, fellow abolitionists ... for the dark cloud of
>stinking venom that once hung over AADP, has been blown just a little
>bit, aside ... and a gust of fresh air fills our lungs !!
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>desmond @ zeouane.org |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>http: // www . zeouane . org
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Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Hot on the trial of the sniper
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:30:21 +0000
>
>Le Sun, 20 Oct 2002 21:28:42 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a
>écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> It's no use, LDB. The jury's in. The verdict: you're a spastic. The
>>> sentence: another six months 'plagiarizing' (sic) billytwat's twelth-
>>> grade jibes.
>
>> The verdict is actually in that you are now a proven liar. Since you
>> claim to have 'quoted' me, and most certainly cannot find anything
>> in my past words even close to having provided such an insult.
>
>'But LDB, it was in single "quotes" [sic], so it was only the "flavor"
>[sic] of what you meant ...'
>
>Ha, ha, ha ...
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>desmond @ zeouane.org |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>http: // www . zeouane . org
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
>Subject: Re: Hot on the trial of the sniper
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Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Hot on the trial of the sniper
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 20:27:24 +0000
>
>Le Sun, 20 Oct 2002 20:24:45 +0000, Desmond Coughlan
><pasdespa...@zeouane.org> a écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>> It's no use, LDB. The jury's in. The verdict: you're a spastic. The
>> sentence: another six months 'plagiarizing' (sic) billytwat's twelth-
>> grade jibes.
>
>Quick, the list !! The list, LDB !! Put down the syringe, and stop looking
>at the sky !! The list !!!
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>desmond @ zeouane.org |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
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Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Hot on the trial of the sniper
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 15:47:25 +0000
>
>Le 20 Oct 2002 08:32:49 -0700, Just passing by <unimpre...@yahoo.com> a
>écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>> A third lie in that same sentence was that I have accused "everyone in
>> the prosecution" of being corrupt. Admittedly I didn't challenge you
>> on that one so I can't accuse you of evading it, but 3 lies in one
>> short sentence must be something of a record.
>
>You don't know LDB, then. You know that old rule about a 'sentence'
>requring a subject, a verb, and an object ? LDB's lies require none
>of them ... he could print a 'sentence' with a single full stop, and it
>would have a lie in there somewhere. As he said on 22 July 2002 ...
>
>> .
>
>There it is ... a lie. He compounded this dishonesty the following day,
>be claiming ...
>
>> ,
>
>However, his main tactic is to 'flood' the user with accusations of having
>lied. These 'floods' will contain >500 lines of text, and in fact contain
>around ten accusations of lying, combined with around ten _actual lies_
>by LDB. So the poster to whom the post is 'sent' (sic), is thrown onto
>the defensive, has to 'explain' why what he said isn't a lie ... and LDB's
>lies just sort of 'slip through the net'.
>
>It's sort of like the subliminal 'messages' that some supermarkets broad-
>cast 'below' the piped music. You know, consciously you hear some cheesy
>70s hip-hop tune ... but your subconscious hears, 'Go to the fruit
>department,
>there are tasty Granny Smiths at 1.5 EUR a kg ...' Reading LDB's 'cheesy'
>posts, one tends to miss the blatant whoppers that he has 'hid' (sic) in
>the text.
>
>Oh, and whilst we're about it ... 'uncharacteristically' ? Are you trying
>to ruin his CD copy of _The OED_ ??
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>desmond @ zeouane.org |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>http: // www . zeouane . org
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
>Subject: Re: Hot on the trial of the sniper
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Hot on the trial of the Florida Swamp Rat
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 20:21:55 +0000
>
>Le Sun, 20 Oct 2002 18:18:52 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a
>écrit :
>
>> "Earl Evleth" <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
>news:B9D8491A.329D%evl...@wanadoo.fr...
>
>Aw, LDB, what did you go and do that, for ??!! Answering Earl brings the
>percentage of your raving, desktop-thumping, finger-pointing, spittle-
>spraying, high-pitched-screaming rants aimed at me, down to below 100%.
>That's 'fowl' (sic ... LOL !!) of you ...
>
>{ snip pathetic 'dear diary' droning }
>
>Newsflash, retard (think 'relative', LDB ... ROTFLMAO !!!), no one is
>interested in your 'life'. Perhaps you could 'finf' (sic) a murderer who'd
>be willing to 'join' it ...
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>desmond @ zeouane.org |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>http: // www . zeouane . org
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
>Subject: Re: Hot on the trial of the Florida Swamp Rat
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Earl Evleth
Visitor à abc...@zbqytr.ykq a écrit le 20/10/02 20:18 :
>> Florida Swamp Rats are night creatures??
>>
> Actually, Earl. I received the flu shot Tues last... and the flu would have
> been preferable. I've not left the house, and yesterday, stayed in bed all
> day, and found myself at night unable to sleep.
Well, that again shows you the quality of American health care. I NEVER
have had a reaction from a French Flu shot.
I just got mine, free, by the way. The doctor also gave me a tetanus
shot when I told him that I was communicating with you kind of people.
He certainly did not want me to have "lock jaw" which would have interfered
with my diffusion of wisdom. Even the tetanus shot did not give a reaction.
I think your problem is that the bugs, even deactivated, don`t want to be
part of you. This is another sign of rejection.
>Now... back under your rock... `
On the 3rd floor of a Paris apartment there are not rocks. We are people
who live (on the 3rd floor) closer to the sun than you do. Anyway, I
was the first to start labeling you with the "under the rock image" you have
arrived too late. Copycatting again (remember the "new class" argument?).
> or tell me if there is ANY retentionist you do not believe is
> 'immoral' and has a 'corroded soul' for holding that view?
Now, son, look at any car which has rust (i.e. corrosion, iron oxide
produced by the action of oxygen on iron). The degree of "corroded souls"
varies with individual from being "very corroded" (your state of spiritual
existence) or just a few rust spots here and there. In a mild case
the pathological condition is not great, redemption is possible. You
have a variety of symptoms indicating a serious case of soul corrosion.
> I need to know where exactly you draw the line in 'retentionist immorality.'
You are strawmanning it! You need to know? You are incapable of knowing.
In trying to establish a "line" you aren`t thinking on a sophisticated
enough wavelength, blinded by your own limitations. How can I help
you to know? As a teacher, I have sometimes encountered this and
sadly enough some people did not have the capacity to understand
certain complex subjects. Usually it is merely a question of a lack
of other knowledge, but occasionally one runs into a person who just
does not have the mental apparatus. In the case of the DP we are
dealing the moral foundation of people, and in particular, the society
which gave them that training. This is a problem in the US where
money values are more important than moral values. The current
American president politically exploits "moral values" but the values
in his life is "money".
Wanting to kill somebody is, on occasion, a nearly universal human trait.
Killing an assailant who is trying to do the same to you is mainly good
survival sense. But killing can have its pathological extremes. We see it
currently with the sniper. Setting up courts, appointing juries which
decide when and how to kill people is also at the pathological end of
the killling spectrum. Likewise, there is no drawing a line between
the pathological and non-pathological.
> Answer that basic question, Earl.
Answered but are you listening?
> I find that when the HARD questions are asked... some abolitionists,
> not all, but certainly you, tend to scurry about and avoid those
> hard choices. I saw that in a recent dialog with Peter, and I've
> always seen it in you.
You ask hard questions, and I gave you a very easy answer!
I doubt that you can really understand it! So I expect a long
response saying I did not answer your question! Game time,
is that it PV?
Earl
Just passing by
> LOL... exactly what I had provided. Nor did it say that YOU said
> 'Zobel is a crook.' Using YOUR defense of desi... I was just using a
> "common pejorative term in an ironic or sarcastic manner to attack
> those who do hold such views"
>
No, no, no. That comparison is invalid and I will again simplify
things just so that you can understand them.
For your comparison to be valid I would have had to have accused you
of calling Zobel a crook - which I haven't. You didn't call Zobel a
crook, but accused me of saying that
You accused Desmond of using the words "filthy raghead" to directly
describe Iraqis. But what he was really describing (and attacking) was
the attitude of some people towards Arabs and using their language to
make the point. What you did was deliberately distort that by ignoring
the whole context and extracting only one small part to completely
change the meaning of what Desmond wrote.
What you are trying to do here is confuse things by comparing your
denial of ever using the word "raghead" with my denial of ever having
called Zobel a crook. That comparison could only be made if I had
attacked you for using the word "ragheads" - which I didn't. I only
attacked you for wrongly accusing Desmond of being anti-Arab.
Whether you are anti-Arab or have ever said "ragheads" as a direct
insult to them is a matter I have little knowledge of and even less
interest in.
Just passing by
> You probably started taking zinc tablets because
> you began to pay more attention to your health in general and as a
> result your immune system became stronger. That could have included
> anything from taking daily multivitamins,
(snipped)
You may be right there. What I didn't mention above is that at the
same time, I also started taking one multi vitamin & mineral tablet
per day. I have considered that this might also have played a part in
keeping me free from flu but I have always given most of the credit to
the zinc - probably because of the original advice I was given.
John Rennie
"Just passing by" <unimpre...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:21b1da28.02102...@posting.google.com...
This reminds me of my National Service in the RAF. When
serving the first 8 weeks 'square bashing' a fellow conscript
kept breaking out into a rash every time he put his blue
serge uniform on. The RAF doctors tried a number of tests
but just couldn't prevent the rash and he was discharged
i.e. he only did four weeks National Service instead of the
two years that the rest of us did. I was the only other
person in the billet when he was packing up his gear to
go home. I mentioned that I thought it was strange that
he was the only person affected by the uniform.
He showed me a lump of carbolic soap. "You see
every time I put on the uniform I eat a bit of this. Carbolic
soap has always given me a rash."
A Planet Visitor
> Le Sun, 20 Oct 2002 21:28:42 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> >> sentence: another six months 'plagiarizing' (sic) billytwat's twelth-
> >> grade jibes.
>
> > The verdict is actually in that you are now a proven liar. Since you
> > claim to have 'quoted' me, and most certainly cannot find anything
> > in my past words even close to having provided such an insult.
>
> [sic] of what you meant ...'
>
> Ha, ha, ha ...
>
A Planet Visitor
> Le 21 Oct 2002 03:30:44 -0700, Just passing by <unimpre...@yahoo.com> a écrit :
>
> >> LOL... exactly what I had provided. Nor did it say that YOU said
> >> 'Zobel is a crook.' Using YOUR defense of desi... I was just using a
> >> "common pejorative term in an ironic or sarcastic manner to attack
> >> those who do hold such views"
>
> > No, no, no. That comparison is invalid and I will again simplify
> > things just so that you can understand them.
>
>
> Again, to borrow John's phrase, you are flogging a dead horse. LDB
> might be stupid, but he knows I'm not racist.
The fact is one could be stupid and STILL see you clearly as a racist.
Too many words have passed from your pen to these pages to demonstrate
anything else. Your implication was that _I've_ used the terms you have
used. I HAVE NOT. Thus you are not only a racist.... but a liar as well.
You will notice that only the obsessive JPB 'questioned' one of the terms,
claiming it was used by you as a 'pejorative' (ho ho ho), when actually it
was your use of a lie, implying that I had used that term. None of the others
terms were questioned by anyone here. And I stand by my claim that those
words demonstrate you are a racist... at least IMHO. Again - your words -
'Gimmie da money, honkey mothafucka, oh ah toast yo ass !!'
"'Gimme da dough, mothafucka o ah toast yo ass !!'"
"smelly 'Jigaboo' auslander.
"I even 'tweaked' your nose a few days back, by using the
word 'jigaboo'"
"ragheads"
"Arab cunts"
"same bestial beating administered
to LDB's now almost 'jigaboo' buttocks"
Iraq is "ruled by 'filthy ragheads.'"
"All Germans smell of sausage."
"smelly 'auslanders'."
"it was German beer ... now, if only I could get the smell
of sausage out of the bloody bottles"
Others will have to form their own opinions. But I have clearly challenged
you to show where _I_ have used any of the terms you imply that I have.
> His 'cheap shot' backfired
> on him, but his ego will never let him admit it. He will continue to
> follow up your posts on the subject until the Internet ceases to exist, or
> he dies, whichever comes first. When it becomes obvious that he can't make
> you budge, his spams will start to have 'Gentle Reader' as the first two
> words.
>
Actually, I have come to realize that JPB has a 'real' emotional hang-up,
with the 'Great White Whale.' This precludes any form of rational dialog
with him. He is no longer of any interest to me... and I believe others can
see that he is obsessed. He has presented nothing NEW, and in fact
every 'argument' he offers was closely examined at trial, including all the
testimony of defense experts. The fact is, he simply DEMANDS that his
'evidence' is what presumably 'proves' the 'Great White Whale' is innocent,
when in fact the jury arrived at a much different conclusion, looking at that
SAME evidence. His 'evidence' is simply that which was PRESENTED at
trial... nothing new. Last time, he offered the testimony of a defense
expert, and a scan which had already been introduced at trial, and presumed
that it PROVES something, but that same 'evidence' proved NOTHING to
the 12 jurors. He offers just a rehash of trodden ground. And his 'proof' then
is that 'the jury was wrong.' And that's not proof. That's just demanding
that HIS view be accepted as the 'right' view. And all others, including the
12 members of the jury are 'wrong.' JPB DEMANDS that the 'evidence' he
offers - which is no 'new evidence' - Must be viewed as the 'evidence' which
proves the 'Great White Whale' is innocent. But the jury looked at that
SAME evidence, and came to an entirely different conclusion.
And then his 'fall-back' (actually his main) argument is that the entire
State of Massachusetts is riddled with corruption because 'no one'
wants to see the 'evidence' as JPB sees it. Now, I know this will result
in a stream of meaningless 'evidence' which was already offered at trial
to come forth from JPB again. I simply do not care. And find him not
to be 'rational' in respect to the JWW, but rather simply CONSUMED in
an unhealthy obsession with her.
A Planet Visitor
"Earl Evleth" <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message news:B9D97CE1.3583%evl...@wanadoo.fr...
> dans l'article gsCs9.129898$S8.22...@twister.tampabay.rr.com, A Planet
> Visitor à abc...@zbqytr.ykq a écrit le 20/10/02 20:18 :
>
> >> Florida Swamp Rats are night creatures??
> >>
> > Actually, Earl. I received the flu shot Tues last... and the flu would have
> > been preferable. I've not left the house, and yesterday, stayed in bed all
> > day, and found myself at night unable to sleep.
>
> Well, that again shows you the quality of American health care. I NEVER
> have had a reaction from a French Flu shot.
>
I believe I have worked out what you are TRYING to say in your
hysterical tirade. Let me translate your bourgeois words, into those
more understandable to the 'lower' proletarian class ---
TRANSLATION -- "I believe ALL retentionists are immoral, have
corroded souls, and live under rocks... thus I assert that I am a
bigot and a hypocrite at the same moment."
Thanks, Earl... just the answer I expected from you. Your presence
here, in this particular dialog of the DP, is now recognized as totally
worthless. Since it is tainted by the same bigotry which taints
many organized religions. That of the presumption that 'Faith' can
override 'reason.' That of the CLOSED MIND.
PV
>
> Earl
>
>
Earl Evleth
Visitor à abc...@zbqytr.ykq a écrit le 22/10/02 5:42 :
>
> "Earl Evleth" <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
> news:B9D97CE1.3583%evl...@wanadoo.fr...
>> Well, that again shows you the quality of American health care. I NEVER
>> have had a reaction from a French Flu shot.
> Moron.
I agree with this statement of your condition. Even so, do try and get
your next shot in France. I can recommend a doctor in the Montparnasse
area, only 20 euros.
> "I believe ALL retentionists are immoral, have
> corroded souls, and live under rocks... thus I assert that I am a
> bigot and a hypocrite at the same moment."
Only the worse live under rocks. Not all. I see you did not understand
my statement about degrees of corrosions. By analogy, your reaction
to the flu shot was at the outer limit of the reactions. Most people
don`t react that badly.
> Thanks, Earl...
You are certainly welcome, I am eager to inform.
Yours for better living through knowledge.
Earl
Just passing by
> He has presented nothing NEW, and in fact
> every 'argument' he offers was closely examined at trial ....
> His 'evidence' is simply that which was PRESENTED at
> trial... nothing new. Last time, he offered the testimony of a defense
> expert, and a scan which had already been introduced at trial, and presumed
> that it PROVES something, but that same 'evidence' proved NOTHING to
> the 12 jurors. He offers just a rehash of trodden ground...
PV, whoever is giving you all this is helping you to make a fool of
yourself every time you repeat it. You should tell them what everyone
here already appears to know: that you need no help in making a fool
of yourself ... you are an expert at it.
Nothing that was not presented at the trial, eh? I have presented
PLENTY of material that was not presented at trial. Was that piece
from the Journal of Pediatrics I posted presented at trial? That was
written nearly five years before the trial and completely concurs with
the defence case as does the veritable mountain of medical literature
in every relevant area. Were the former Medical Examiner Gerald
Feigin's comments about certain doctors "sucking up to the
prosecutors" presented at the trial? Was the evidence of the 3
posterior rib fractures, discovered by Doctor Marvin Nelson, presented
at the trial? No it wasn't, and the question is why wasn't it? Someone
at the hospital must have known about this and yet it was hushed up,
and successfully hidden from the defence and, who knows, maybe even
from the prosecution too.
But regarding the evidence I have posted here that WAS presented at
the trial, what is your problem with this? A very large part of my
argument is that the jury were wrong to convict. To present that
argument I must essentially present the evidence they didn't
understand, or, as you hilariously prefer to put it, that they
"dismissed".
Moreover, if this evidence was dealt with and "dismissed" at the
trial, it should be very easy for you to show HOW it was dealt with
and "dismissed". So why, for example, have you not shown how the
evidence from the bone window scan showing no soft tissue swelling -
that would have accompanied a recent injury - was dealt with by the
prosecution at the trial? Why is that so difficult for you? If this
evidence was so easily "dismissed" at the trial, why are you unable to
answer it with anything more than your spam and your "cuckoo" song?
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Hot on the trial of the sniper
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 07:05:49 +0000
>
>Le Tue, 22 Oct 2002 03:42:56 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a
>écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> Again, to borrow John's phrase, you are flogging a dead horse. LDB
>>> might be stupid, but he knows I'm not racist.
>
>> The fact is one could be stupid and STILL see you clearly as a racist.
>
>LOL ... this from the guy who had to get told that his new copy of
>_Philosophy for Dummies_ was upside down ...
>
>{ snip remainder of typical LDB incomprehension }
>
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>desmond @ zeouane.org |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>http: // www . zeouane . org
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
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The Dr. Dolly Coughlan archive exists because Desmond Coughlan lacks conviction
in his words. He won't allow his posts to be archived in Google. Please feel
free to use it to your advantage.
A Planet Visitor
"Just passing by" <unimpre...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:21b1da28.02102...@posting.google.com...
> "A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<4P3t9.139540$S8.24...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>...
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<clipped pathetic ravings that _I_ need to 'defend' what has already
been proven>
Ah... the world keeps turning, JPB. She's probably hooked up with a
butter-ball from Chelsea now. Which will require the purchase of a double
heavy-duty bed. You no longer have a chance. Put her behind you, and
move on. I know I have, since she is guilty.
PV
Just passing by
>
> <clipped pathetic ravings that _I_ need to 'defend' what has already
> been proven>
PV, can you see what you did there? You copied your arch-enemy,
Desmond, in using underlines to emphasise a word. He told you
recently that your usual style of capitalising was wrong and told you
to use the same method he uses. You even wrote: "I abhor the use of
_this is emphasis_, using underlines to emphasize ..." But now we see
you meekly obeying him. What happened to the old combative PV who
would have fought wild lions before being seen to copy Desmond?
Using capitals to emphasise words is about the only thing you & I have
in common (although you grossly overdo it, whereas I use them in
moderation, thus retaining their effectiveness) but now it seems I am
all alone after you, wimp that you are, allowed Desmond to bully you
into joining his club.
And I know exactly what you are doing at this moment. You are
frantically typing away, foam dripping from your mouth all over your
keyboard, eyes bulging unable to contain your excitement over what you
think is the first and only point you have ever scored over me. And
there, on your screen, is the unfinished rant of "ROTFLMAO!!!! You
pathetic FOOL, JPB!!!! How could _I_ POSSIBLY further CAPITALIZE a
WORD that is ALREADY CAPITALIZED????????? ROTFLMAO!!!!!!! THIS one
IS a 'KEEPER'!!!"
But of course the answer is that you didn't really need to emphasise
(back to the best way of spelling it) the word "I" at all. Surely that
would have been a small price to pay to avoid being seen to be
influenced by your arch-enemy and doing as he tells you - jumping when
he orders it.
> Ah... the world keeps turning, JPB. She's probably hooked up with a
> butter-ball from Chelsea now. Which will require the purchase of a double
> heavy-duty bed. You no longer have a chance. Put her behind you, and
> move on. I know I have, since she is guilty.
>
Your standards really are falling, aren't they? I think even your
"cuckoo" song was better than that.
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Hot on the trial of the sniper
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 20:35:45 +0000
>
>Le 23 Oct 2002 06:00:05 -0700, Just passing by <unimpre...@yahoo.com> a
>écrit :
>
>>> <clipped pathetic ravings that _I_ need to 'defend' what has already
>>> been proven>
>
>> PV, can you see what you did there? You copied your arch-enemy,
>> Desmond, in using underlines to emphasise a word.
>
>JPB, you should know that _every single word_ that LDB writes here, is
>copied from somewhere else. His prose is a mixture of plagiarised web
>sites, 'quotes' (sic) from his CD-ROM copy of _The OED_, and excerpts
>from his 'Russian-English' translator.
>
>I told him once that if he ever posted something original, I would leave
>the newsgroup. All I can imagine is that he doesn't want me to leave ..
>
>> He told you
>> recently that your usual style of capitalising was wrong and told you
>> to use the same method he uses. You even wrote: "I abhor the use of
>> _this is emphasis_, using underlines to emphasize ..." But now we see
>> you meekly obeying him. What happened to the old combative PV who
>> would have fought wild lions before being seen to copy Desmond?
>
>It was a myth, perpetuated by QZD and Rennie.
>
>{ snip }
>
>> But of course the answer is that you didn't really need to emphasise
>> (back to the best way of spelling it) the word "I" at all. Surely that
>> would have been a small price to pay to avoid being seen to be
>> influenced by your arch-enemy and doing as he tells you - jumping when
>> he orders it.
>
>He's been doing so for around 8 months now. I've been tweaking his nose,
>and watching him jump. Everyone, even his two best friends, have commented
>on 'so much vitriol' ... or 'He _does_ get to you, doesn't he ?'
>
>>> Ah... the world keeps turning, JPB. She's probably hooked up with a
>>> butter-ball from Chelsea now. Which will require the purchase of a double
>>> heavy-duty bed. You no longer have a chance. Put her behind you, and
>>> move on. I know I have, since she is guilty.
>
>> Your standards really are falling, aren't they? I think even your
>> "cuckoo" song was better than that.
>
>LOL !!
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>desmond @ zeouane.org |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>http: // www . zeouane . org
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
>Subject: Re: Hot on the trial of the sniper
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Hot on the trial of the sniper
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 06:23:52 +0000
>
>Le Wed, 23 Oct 2002 05:49:42 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a
>écrit :
>
>> Ah... the world keeps turning, JPB. She's probably hooked up with a
>> butter-ball from Chelsea now. Which will require the purchase of a double
>> heavy-duty bed. You no longer have a chance. Put her behind you, and
>> move on. I know I have, since she is guilty.
>
>There it is ... a classic, 'last-man-standing', content-free fart.
>
>Just about all that LDB knows how to do anymore.
>
>{ cue claims of 'victory' ... }
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>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>desmond @ zeouane.org |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>http: // www . zeouane . org
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
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