GH: "Whoever it is, the world is in their debt"
Ruby Vee
think it's going to: the cops find out that Skye was in his suite, so
they blame it all on her. Jason, Sonny and Jax are trying so hard to
protect Brenda (who actually might have done it and even admits that she
tried) that they let Skye (who has no motive) swing in the wind. Even
AJ, who should have been Skye's staunchest supporter is probably more
concerned with pinning it on Jason than on standing by Skye.
I also hope that this whole thing makes Jax and Brenda take a second
look at one another. I know that murdering an inconvenient ex- is no
big deal in PC, but it might make most of us take a second look at the
person we're sleeping with if we had reason to believe that they
actually killed someone. It would make me have second thoughts about
whether I should be IN the relationship to begin with!
Ruby Vee
Dish1991
>I also hope that this whole thing makes Jax and Brenda take a second
>look at one another. I know that murdering an inconvenient ex- is no
>big deal in PC, but it might make most of us take a second look at the
>person we're sleeping with if we had reason to believe that they
>actually killed someone. It would make me have second thoughts about
>whether I should be IN the relationship to begin with!
>
>Ruby Vee
ya, it kind of puts a damper on that barbie & ken image!
...
"well behaved women rarely make history."
laurel thatcher ulrich
Laura M. Young
> I hope this "who killed Alcazar" story line doesn't go down the way I
> think it's going to: the cops find out that Skye was in his suite, so
> they blame it all on her. Jason, Sonny and Jax are trying so hard to
> protect Brenda (who actually might have done it and even admits that she
> tried) that they let Skye (who has no motive) swing in the wind. Even
> AJ, who should have been Skye's staunchest supporter is probably more
> concerned with pinning it on Jason than on standing by Skye.
Well, if the cops have been watching Law and Order or CSI they should know
enough to find evidence placing Skye, Brenda and Jax at the murder scene. I
don't think Jason ever made it inside the room (that we saw), and he was wearing
gloves so he shouldn't have left fingerprints anywhere. If they do find the
evidence linking the above 3 to Alcazar's last moments, chances are they will
NEVER bother to look for anyone else with so many viable suspects!
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Incubus
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The evidence that puts Skye there is the drink glass she dropped when
her and Jax were 'out there'
Everybody should know that it was Alcazar him self... He slipped and
fell... ;-)
RTJoby
>fell... ;-)
Didn't you see when he turned around & asked "What are you doing?" or something
like that.
I think it's either Skye----or the dude lurking about peeping around. (The
psycho who stalked Sharon on Y&R)
Teapot Mom
"Incubus" wrote:
> The evidence that puts Skye there is the drink glass she dropped when
> her and Jax were 'out there'
Not to mention that she just had sex with the guy in his bed. There would be
plenty of evidence there to prove Skye's presence.
>
> Everybody should know that it was Alcazar him self... He slipped and
> fell... ;-)
I don't doubt this at all.
Teapot
>
Laura M. Young
>
> The evidence that puts Skye there is the drink glass she dropped when
> her and Jax were 'out there'
She had SEX with Alcazar! She was in his bed! Surely, they will find a hair or
a bit of her DNA on him!
Janine Starykowicz
> Incubus wrote:
>
>
>>The evidence that puts Skye there is the drink glass she dropped when
>>her and Jax were 'out there'
>
>
> She had SEX with Alcazar! She was in his bed! Surely, they will find a hair or
> a bit of her DNA on him!
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Skye admitted being there, said she saw Brenda do the dirty deed.
Ruby Vee
Janine Starykowicz wrote:
But do ya think she actually SAW Brenda do the deed, extrapolated from what she did
see, or is making it up because she (rightfully) hates Brenda?
Ruby Vee
chica...@nowhere.com
I'm thinking it is her *righteous* revenge. ;)
bj
Teapot Mom
"Ruby Vee" wrote:
> > Skye admitted being there, said she saw Brenda do the dirty deed.
>
> But do ya think she actually SAW Brenda do the deed, extrapolated from
what she did
> see, or is making it up because she (rightfully) hates Brenda?
Skye didn't see anyone do it. A few minutes earlier, she was willing to go
to the police and tell them her own brother, Jason, did it, just to please
her other sleazebag, loser brother, AJ. After arriving at the police
station, she realized what a perfect opportunity she had for revenge, so she
LIED!!!
Now all of you AJ and Skye defenders, try to convince me that these two are
still worthy of your loyalty and that they are just poor misinterpreted,
misunderstood spoiled rich kids. Something bad happened to them, so they
think it is ok to lie to the police and have not one, but two innocent
people accused of committing cold-blooded murder. That is beyond 'righteous'
revenge. It goes beyond wrong! I hope they each get charged with perjury!
Teapot
chica...@nowhere.com
LOL... I'm not *defending* her. I'm simply stating I think she is
LYING through her teeth to spite Jax & Brenda.
bj
peggo
"Teapot Mom" <este...@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:oEUE9.148312$1O2.10919@sccrnsc04...
>
> "Ruby Vee" wrote:
>
> > > Skye admitted being there, said she saw Brenda do the dirty deed.
> >
> > But do ya think she actually SAW Brenda do the deed, extrapolated from
> what she did
> > see, or is making it up because she (rightfully) hates Brenda?
>
> Skye didn't see anyone do it. A few minutes earlier, she was willing to go
> to the police and tell them her own brother, Jason, did it, just to please
> her other sleazebag, loser brother, AJ. After arriving at the police
> station, she realized what a perfect opportunity she had for revenge, so
she
> LIED!!!
No. She was horrified that AJ asked her to.
She DID tell AJ that she had no idea who killed Alcazar. So she DID lie.
Either to AJ or to the cops.
But she NEVER considered AJ's plan.
> Now all of you AJ and Skye defenders, try to convince me that these two
are
> still worthy of your loyalty and that they are just poor misinterpreted,
> misunderstood spoiled rich kids. Something bad happened to them, so they
> think it is ok to lie to the police and have not one, but two innocent
> people accused of committing cold-blooded murder. That is beyond
'righteous'
> revenge. It goes beyond wrong! I hope they each get charged with perjury!
>
Not righteous. Just fun to watch.
> Teapot
peggo
Teapot Mom
"peggo" wrote:
> No. She was horrified that AJ asked her to.
> She DID tell AJ that she had no idea who killed Alcazar. So she DID lie.
> Either to AJ or to the cops.
> But she NEVER considered AJ's plan.
Yes, she did, Peggo. The last thing she said to AJ was "ok, I'll do it." Of
course, she could have been lying to AJ right then, but she let him believe
that she was going to implicate Jason. Then, while she had time to rethink
that plan, she got the idea of using Brenda instead.
> Not righteous. Just fun to watch.
I think it's fun to watch, too. But for weeks, some of you guys have been
jumping us Brenda defenda's, and feeling so bad for poor Skye, that I feel a
little vindicated about right now. And as for the word, 'righteous', I took
that from another poster.
Teapot
Dish1991
>But for weeks, some of you guys have been
>jumping us Brenda defenda's, and feeling so bad for poor Skye, that I feel a
>little vindicated about right now.
the biggest reason i dislike jax now is that he never even cared about his his
feelings were going to hurt skye. he has no remorse over how his ~love~ fell
apart. he's no man....that's for sure! neither one of them had any business
going over to skye's the day after they had their reunion sex!!!
Dana M B
I'm *still* supporting Skye.
And I *still* like Brenda.
I just hate Jax and Brenda and Jax bore me.
Dana
peggo
"Dana M B" <dana...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> I'm *still* supporting Skye.
>
> And I *still* like Brenda.
>
> I just hate Jax and Brenda and Jax bore me.
>
Yep. Me too.
> Dana
peggo
Kamuz
>Incubus wrote:
>
>>
>> The evidence that puts Skye there is the drink glass she dropped when
>> her and Jax were 'out there'
>
>She had SEX with Alcazar! She was in his bed! Surely, they will find a hair
>or
>a bit of her DNA on him!
>
>
>
But you're using the assumption that the police and Scott will actually look
for evidence. Scott's already made up his mind that he has the murderer --
Jason, and he's so dense, he's not going to listen to anything else because he
thinks he's going to actually win.
chica...@nowhere.com
>
> "peggo" wrote:
>
> I think it's fun to watch, too. But for weeks, some of you guys have been
> jumping us Brenda defenda's, and feeling so bad for poor Skye, that I feel a
> little vindicated about right now. And as for the word, 'righteous', I took
> that from another poster.
>
> Teapot
And just in case you missed my response to your seeming *objection* of
the use of that word... I think you missed my point. Which was TO SKYE
[not me]it must have seemed like righteous revenge, because there is
nothing like a woman scorned... and I didn't believe her.
bj
chica...@nowhere.com
>
> > I think it's fun to watch, too. But for weeks, some of you guys have been
> > jumping us Brenda defenda's, and feeling so bad for poor Skye, that I feel a
> > little vindicated about right now. And as for the word, 'righteous', I took
> > that from another poster.
> >
> > Teapot
>
> I'm *still* supporting Skye.
>
> And I *still* like Brenda.
>
> I just hate Jax and Brenda and Jax bore me.
>
> Dana
That is EXACTLY how I feel, Dana! :)
bj
Dana M B
I knew I was in good company!
;)
Dana
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Teapot Mom
<chicagofanwrote:
> And just in case you missed my response to your seeming *objection* of
> the use of that word... I think you missed my point. Which was TO SKYE
> [not me]it must have seemed like righteous revenge, because there is
> nothing like a woman scorned... and I didn't believe her.
No, BJ, I didn't see your response. This is my first moment out of the
kitchen all day. I understood whay you were saying, I just liked the phrase
and it thought it also fit what I was trying to say.
Teapot
Jana Peterson
I don't get that. Spending literally days in the kitchen and calling it a
holiday. Well, I guess you are giving your kids great memories my son
won't have. (he goes to his dads) I'll be danged before I spend that much
time and energy while
the male persons watch football. That is how it was in my family, so
that's what I remember. Thanksgiving, to me, is a day to sleep. Sleep all
day. No eating for me. Sleep.
I'd say I feel bad for those of you who have to cook, but you're obviously
doing it because you very much want to....so enjoy!
Ruby Vee
Teapot Mom wrote:
> Skye didn't see anyone do it. A few minutes earlier, she was willing to go
> to the police and tell them her own brother, Jason, did it, just to please
> her other sleazebag, loser brother, AJ.
I didn't see Skye willing to lie about Jason . . . I saw her keep asking AJ
about proof. And then it seemed like she knew she needed to tell the police
that she was there -- knowing Skye, probably because she knew they'd find the
forensic evidence. But I don't think she went there to lie about Jason.
> After arriving at the police
> station, she realized what a perfect opportunity she had for revenge, so she
> LIED!!!
I must've missed something. I didn't hear her lie. I heard her say she heard
Brenda and Alcazar talking, I didn't hear her say she saw Brenda push him off
the balcony. My phone rang during the scene, so I might have missed something,
but are you SURE you heard her lie?
>
> Now all of you AJ and Skye defenders, try to convince me that these two are
> still worthy of your loyalty and that they are just poor misinterpreted,
> misunderstood spoiled rich kids.
Nope -- AJ deserves to get fried for what he did to Courtney. Unfortunately, I
don't see that happening because Courtney isn't the scheming, manipulative bitch
that Skye can be!
But in the Skye vs. Brenda battle, I'll be cheering for Skye because Brenda is a
lying, scheming, manipulative shrew who took Skye's husband from her then got
into her face to taunt her about it. I don't see how anyone can defend the
behavior Brenda exhibited in going to Skye's home after sleeping with her
husband to rub her face in it, and then to shove a glass of vodka into her face,
after taunting her about her "lapsed sobriety" and how Jax told her all about
Skye's alcoholism. (Yes, I know you can't "take" a husband unless he wants to
go -- which is why I'm thinking Jax is exhibiting scum bag tendencies at
present!)
> Something bad happened to them, so they
> think it is ok to lie to the police and have not one, but two innocent
> people accused of committing cold-blooded murder. That is beyond 'righteous'
> revenge. It goes beyond wrong! I hope they each get charged with perjury!
AJ was willing to lie to the police. Again, I think he should get fried for
it! As I thought he should have gotten fried for the accident that rendered
Jason Quartermaine emotionless, burning down the warehouse, driving into the
Oasis Club, and marrying Courtney to steal Michael from Sonny. He's been
getting away with far too much for far too long.
But I'm not sure Skye was lying about Brenda, or that she intended to lie about
Jason.
Ruby Vee
Teapot Mom
"Jana Peterson" wrote:
> I don't get that. Spending literally days in the kitchen and calling it a
> holiday. Well, I guess you are giving your kids great memories my son
> won't have. (he goes to his dads) I'll be danged before I spend that much
> time and energy while the male persons watch football. That is how it was
in my family, >so that's what I remember. Thanksgiving, to me, is a day to
sleep. Sleep all
> day. No eating for me. Sleep.
>
> I'd say I feel bad for those of you who have to cook, but you're obviously
> doing it because you very much want to....so enjoy!
I get off on Thanksgiving, Jana. We go to my brother's house for dinner. He
does most of the cooking. I do all the baking, though, as that's something
my brother and sister in law don't do. I made six pies yesterday and it
wasn't too bad. My family likes to help in the kitchen, so it's not all that
much extra work on me. I have our entire family (hubby's too) for dinner on
Christmas Eve. I will spend a good week cooking for that one, and really
don't mind. It's the one thing about the holidays I like.
As for your son, I'm sure you give him plenty of good memories, with or
without a turkey involved. Enjoy your day of rest.
Teapot
Barbara Sherrill
life and your family. My husband smoked the turkey yesterday. I am going to
pack that; the cookie dough and the pies in the car and go to visit with
family. Everyone is chipping in so not one person is stuck doing it all. It
does not have to be a chore if you do the cooking, you really can make it
fun; if you get all involved. Some of the best times is when everyone is in
the kitchen. I really do enjoy cooking huge meals during the holidays. I
know that my family and friends appreciate it. My attitude is let the guys
watch their football. That gives us gals a chance to sit back and visit.
Nine times out of ten we are laughing at the guys that are watching
football.
Teapot Mom
"Ruby Vee" wrote:
> I didn't see Skye willing to lie about Jason . . . I saw her keep asking
AJ
> about proof. And then it seemed like she knew she needed to tell the
police
> that she was there -- knowing Skye, probably because she knew they'd find
the
> forensic evidence. But I don't think she went there to lie about Jason.
> I must've missed something. I didn't hear her lie. I heard her say she
heard
> Brenda and Alcazar talking, I didn't hear her say she saw Brenda push him
off
> the balcony. My phone rang during the scene, so I might have missed
something,
> but are you SURE you heard her lie?
Yes, she did. She said to AJ, "ok, I'll do it." I think that's pretty
clear. I believe Skye than said to Taggert, "I know who killed Alcazar" or
something very close to that. She LIED!!! She has no proof that Brenda
killed the man. All she *thinks* she knows is that Brenda was there. She
stayed in the bedroom, as far as we know, and was waking from a drunken
stupor.
> Nope -- AJ deserves to get fried for what he did to Courtney.
Unfortunately, I
> don't see that happening because Courtney isn't the scheming, manipulative
bitch
> that Skye can be!
You left our 'lying'. ; )
> But in the Skye vs. Brenda battle, I'll be cheering for Skye because
Brenda is a
> lying, scheming, manipulative shrew who took Skye's husband from her then
got
> into her face to taunt her about it.
Brenda stayed away bc she thought she was dying. That's been said over and
over again. She didn't lie to hurt someone, rather to spare him. And I don't
think she schemed or manipulated anyone or anything. She has never denied
loving Jax, but said repeatedly, that she wanted him to be happy with his
new wife. That's far more generous than Skye would ever be.
>I don't see how anyone can defend the behavior Brenda exhibited in going to
Skye's >home after sleeping with her husband to rub her face in it, and then
to shove a glass of >vodka into her face, after taunting her about her
"lapsed sobriety" and how Jax told her >all about Skye's alcoholism.
Frankly, I thought she was justified in what she did. She went there to
confront Skye about keeping the knowledge of her 'non' illness a secret and
for helping Alcazar kidnap her. Wouldn't you do the same thing? Skye was
already well on her way to drunkeness when Brenda arrived and was using
everyone except herself as the reason for her lapse in sobriety. She was
wallowing in self pity, so Brenda stuck the glass in her hand and pretty
much said, "here, if you are enjoying it so much, let me give you another
glass". Skye would have poured another one with or without Brenda's
assistance, but it was more dramatic and sypathetic for Skye to blame her
drinking on someone else.
>(Yes, I know you can't "take" a husband unless he wants to
> go -- which is why I'm thinking Jax is exhibiting scum bag tendencies at
> present!)
Skye has to take some of the responsibility for losing her husband. She is
not innocent.
> But I'm not sure Skye was lying about Brenda, or that she intended to lie
about
> Jason.
I'm sure Skye is lying about Brenda, and I think for a second, she intended
to lie about Jason, until the idea of blaming Brenda popped into her head.
Teapot
VoxofaFox
Sounds fun and traditional! However I am glad I have a football free home.
And I grew up in one as well. My dad and brother both hated it and so does my
husband. I guess I lucked out.
We are going out to my mom's utzy country club thingy today......it's a nice
choice if you have to go out. I prefer these holidays at home, though. Then
my husband and I have a date to smash some pumpkins we have been meaning to get
rid of from Halloween later on. It's a long story.......
Laughingly,
Vox
Barbara Sherrill
"VoxofaFox" <voxo...@aol.com> wrote in message
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sounds like fun. We are headed for the lake house. Some old family friends
that is more like family owns it. They introduce me as their daughter if
that tells you anything. My mom drove in from West Texas. So there will be
10 grandkids underneath that wonderful roof. The best part of going there,
its just like going home. The guys will be watching football, tomorrow is
the big game for us The Texas A and M vs UT game. So while they do that
tomorrow, I am going to go hassle friends. =)
Barb
VoxofaFox
<< sounds like fun. We are headed for the lake house. Some old family friends
that is more like family owns it. They introduce me as their daughter if
that tells you anything. My mom drove in from West Texas. So there will be
10 grandkids underneath that wonderful roof. The best part of going there,
its just like going home. The guys will be watching football, tomorrow is
the big game for us The Texas A and M vs UT game. So while they do that
tomorrow, I am going to go hassle friends. =) >>
Sounds like a really fun, warm kinda day to me! My husband and I usually do
the important holidays at our home but I wasn't feeling quite up to it yet:(
My mom doesn't cook plus her home is too pristine to be comfortable in...my
brother's is too messy....my in law's is too small.
Christmas will be here though!
Celebratingly,
Vox
Barbara Sherrill
You just take it easy and enjoy your day!
Laura M. Young
> Everyone is chipping in so not one person is stuck doing it all. It
> does not have to be a chore if you do the cooking, you really can make it
> fun; if you get all involved.
This is the way we are doing our Thanksgiving. My mom and dad are doing the
turkey and stuffing and hosting the dinner. The rest of us are bringing side
dishes. I organized it all. I know it won't be much longer before they won't
be able to do any of it, so we enjoy it while we can. Christmas will be at my
house so most of those preparations will fall to me, but everyone else will
bring something for the meal. And part of our family tradition is all the
females in the kitchen cooking, laughing, and swatting at male hands who come in
to try to swipe a sample before the meal is ready!
Teapot Mom
"Teapot Mom" wrote:
> > I didn't see Skye willing to lie about Jason . . . I saw her keep asking
> >AJ about proof. And then it seemed like she knew she needed to tell the
> >police that she was there -- knowing Skye, probably because she knew
they'd find
> the forensic evidence. But I don't think she went there to lie about
Jason.
>
> > I must've missed something. I didn't hear her lie. I heard her say she
> heard Brenda and Alcazar talking, I didn't hear her say she saw Brenda
push him
> off the balcony. My phone rang during the scene, so I might have missed
> something, but are you SURE you heard her lie?
I don't want to appear anal about this, but I checked the transcripts to
make sure I wasn't the one dreaming. Here is what was said:
A.J.: They will use your silence against you and claim that you have
something to hide.
Skye: All right. All right, i'll go to the police.
A.J.: Call me as soon as you get done.
Skye: And when i came to, I heard a noise. There was somebody out there in
the sitting room with him. I peeked outside the door and I saw the killer.
Taggert: You know who murdered luis alcazar?
Skye: Yes. I do.
Skye is the liar here, it's plain as the written word. She lied to frame
Brenda after AJ planted the idea in her head about Jason.
Teapot
Mary McCool
[..]
> The guys will be watching football, tomorrow is
> the big game for us The Texas A and M vs UT game.
Go Aggies!
Mary
VoxofaFox
<< Skye is the liar here, it's plain as the written word. She lied to frame
Brenda after AJ planted the idea in her head about Jason.>>
I agree. You are absolutely correct on this one.
Teapot Mom
"VoxofaFox" wrote:
WooHoo!!! Vox and I agree on something again! Now if I can just get Dish on
the same page once. : )
Teapot
Dish1991
>WooHoo!!! Vox and I agree on something again! Now if I can just get Dish on
>the same page once. : )
>
alexis!
we agree on alexis!!!!
oh, and carly!
we agree on carly!!!!
but brenda's going down tea!! ;)
sorry!!!!
Teapot Mom
"Dish1991" wrote:
> alexis!
> we agree on alexis!!!!
> oh, and carly!
> we agree on carly!!!!
Well, that's a good start! I'll take it.
> but brenda's going down tea!! ;)
> sorry!!!!
Oh, don't hold your breath there, missy. : )
Teapot
Barbara Sherrill
"Mary McCool" <mmc...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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Mary I like you! = )
Barb
VoxofaFox
<< WooHoo!!! Vox and I agree on something again! Now if I can just get Dish on
the same page once. : ) >>
I like agreeing with people...especially you, Teapot...believe it or not! LOL
I also like to be challenged though, and you are certainly formidable.
Admirably,
Vox
Mary McCool
> "Mary McCool" wrote:>
>>Barbara Sherrill wrote:
>>
>>[..]
>>
>>>The guys will be watching football, tomorrow is
>>>the big game for us The Texas A and M vs UT game.
>>>
>>
>>Go Aggies!
>>
>>Mary
>>
>>
>
> Mary I like you! = )
>
> Barb
Thanks, Barb! I must admit that I'm pulling for the Aggies
to win mostly because a loss by the Longhorns would probably
help my 'Cats chances at a better bowl game (we're not
entirely out of BCS consideration yet). Well, besides that,
I'll always go for the Aggies over the 'Horns!!!
Mary
Barbara Sherrill
on going to Aggie land for school. I am debating when I do my last year of
college if I am going to do the round trip thing to A and M; myself to get
my degree. That one is being discussed heavliy.
Barb
Teapot Mom
"VoxofaFox" wrote:
> I like agreeing with people...especially you, Teapot...believe it or not!
LOL
I don't find that hard to believe at all, Vox. A lively debate can be a good
thing.
> I also like to be challenged though, and you are certainly formidable.
Well, thanks for the compliment. : ) I don't think that's a word most
people would use to describe me, that know me around my town. But, I don't
back down from many challenges either.
Teapot
VoxofaFox
<< Well, thanks for the compliment. : ) I don't think that's a word most
people would use to describe me, that know me around my town. But, I don't
back down from many challenges either. >>
It makes me happy when I can find common ground with someone who is so opposite
of me politically. It makes me feel like there some kind of hope. It gets
harder and harder for either "side" to do that these days, no matter how
insignificant or important the forum. I think some of our mixed opinions on GH
coincide with the fundamental approach to our respective political views.
Vox, who dreamed about CLINTON last night. Oh wait...that was a NIGHTMARE!:)
Jo Ann
Which one? Hil or Bill?
Jo Ann
VoxofaFox
<< Which one? Hil or Bill? >>
Bill. I think he was on my mind because one of my veeeeeeery liberal friends
was telling me how a bunch of folks she knows waited all night to get tickets
to hear him speak. I was so flabbergasted hearing that, that we got into a
heated discussion. I assert that people would go see Daffy Duck if he was a
past president. I am mystified about what Clinton would have to talk about
that could be interesting on ANY level. I mean, he is so disingenuous, I
wouldn't believe a word he said. What would do....try to EXPLAIN himself or
something? Clinton was impeached and disbarred....I mean, what the?
Dish1991
>What would do....try to EXPLAIN himself or
>something? Clinton was impeached and disbarred....I mean, what the?
>
he was also able to get arafat to come to camp david and stay for days!! (july
2000)
he must have had something of interest to say!!
take a look::
(LOL)
http://aolsearch.aol.com/redir.adp?appname=MS&query=arafat%20clinton%20cam
p%20david&url=http%3a%2f%2fpoliticalhumor%2eabout%2ecom%2flibrary%2fblclin
tonsummit%2ehtm&datasource=Google&partner=Google&clickedItemRank=7&request
Id=cns65325&component=websearch.google.http.tcl&searchType=MS
besides...if you'd rather not hear him talk...he could always play the sax for
ya!
Laura M. Young
> Clinton was impeached and disbarred....I mean, what the?
Huh?? If he'd been impeached wouldn't he have NOT finished out his presidency?
I thought that all got tossed or have I got that mixed up with Arizona's
governor who was brought up on some kind of hoky charges (although he WAS an
ass) and it wound up being discounted.
VoxofaFox
<< he was also able to get arafat to come to camp david and stay for days!!
(july
2000) >>
Oh I forgot...in addition to being disbarred and impeached, he entertained a
professed terrorist.
VoxofaFox
<< Huh?? If he'd been impeached wouldn't he have NOT finished out his
presidency?
I thought that all got tossed or have I got that mixed up with Arizona's
governor who was brought up on some kind of hoky charges (although he WAS an
ass) and it wound up being discounted. >>
You're mixed up, kiddo. He was impeached but not removed from office.
Barbara Sherrill
"Laura M. Young" <lmyo...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3DE9057E...@cox.net...
> VoxofaFox wrote:
>
> > Clinton was impeached and disbarred....I mean, what the?
>
> Huh?? If he'd been impeached wouldn't he have NOT finished out his
presidency?
> I thought that all got tossed or have I got that mixed up with Arizona's
> governor who was brought up on some kind of hoky charges (although he WAS
an
> ass) and it wound up being discounted.
>
>
>
You do not have to leave office if you are impeached. The last president
that was choose to in order to prevserve the office of the President. Sheesh
I actually paid attention in poli sci..
Dish1991
>Oh I forgot...in addition to being disbarred and impeached, he entertained a
>professed terrorist.
as bad as arafat is vox, it could be A LOT worse. there are savage terrorists
who would love to rid arafat bc they think he's old and useless.
Barbara Sherrill
"Dish1991" <dish...@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
news:20021130135911...@mb-cl.aol.com...
> >From: voxofafox
>
> >Oh I forgot...in addition to being disbarred and impeached, he
entertained a
> >professed terrorist.
>
> as bad as arafat is vox, it could be A LOT worse. there are savage
terrorists
> who would love to rid arafat bc they think he's old and useless.
>
That person is not that old and useless. I have a friend living in terror
because of Arafat. she was at a bus stop 4 hours before it was blown up by a
suicided bomber. Sorry... I ahve not nice words for ari boy
Dish1991
>That person is not that old and useless. I have a friend living in terror
>because of Arafat. she was at a bus stop 4 hours before it was blown up by a
>suicided bomber. Sorry... I ahve not nice words for ari boy
i don't have any nice words for the man either. however, there are groups that
are severely ruthless, that would love to take him out and replace him.
he may the be the lesser of many evils.
Barbara Sherrill
"Dish1991" <dish...@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
> >From: "Barbara Sherrill"
>
> >That person is not that old and useless. I have a friend living in terror
> >because of Arafat. she was at a bus stop 4 hours before it was blown up
by a
> >suicided bomber. Sorry... I ahve not nice words for ari boy
>
> i don't have any nice words for the man either. however, there are groups
that
> are severely ruthless, that would love to take him out and replace him.
>
> he may the be the lesser of many evils.
>
> ...
I doubt that. How would you feel if you knew the chances of never seeing
your family ever again when they walked out the door to school or work was
great? This is what my friend faces each and every day. I don't find him the
lesser of any evil. He is the evil one right next to Laden.
VoxofaFox
<< I doubt that. How would you feel if you knew the chances of never seeing
your family ever again when they walked out the door to school or work was
great? This is what my friend faces each and every day. I don't find him the
lesser of any evil. He is the evil one right next to Laden. >>
You got that right.
Laura M. Young
>
> You're mixed up, kiddo. He was impeached but not removed from office.
OK. Semantic error. Like most people, my first thought when hearing the word
"impeached" is that he was ousted. I think both Clinton and former Governor
Meacham were impeached, meaning that charges were brought that they should be
removed from office. That actually happened to Meacham, although several of the
charges brought against him were found to be groundless. Fife Symington, the
governor before Meacham was also removed from office after being indicted and
convicted on federal charges involving embezzlement and fraud and such.
We've elected women the last two times, and things have been better...not to be
sexist or anything!
DizzyD
I'm so happy when I find people who listened in pl. sc. that I have to
post! I didn't waste all that money getting those degrees after all!
Anyhow, impeachment is an act of the House. It's like a charge or and
indictment. The Senate trial determines whether the articles of
impeachment are valid and whether the President (or other officials
are covered by this process) is guilty or not. If he (or she) is, the
punishment is eviction from office.
Diane
Barbara Sherrill
Many thought when congreess voted to impeach Clinton that he would be kicked
out. They assumed it because one president did the right thing by stepping
down.
Now as for women doing things better. That is no surprise. It is us who
rules the world anyway. Men just haven't wised up to it yet.
Barb
Barbara Sherrill
"DizzyD" <dmo...@uplink.net> wrote in message
news:3de935d...@news.earthlink.net...
> On Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:54:12 -0600, "Barbara Sherrill"
> <bshe...@pdq.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Laura M. Young" <lmyo...@cox.net> wrote in message
> >news:3DE9057E...@cox.net...
> >> VoxofaFox wrote:
> >>
> >> > Clinton was impeached and disbarred....I mean, what the?
> >>
> >> Huh?? If he'd been impeached wouldn't he have NOT finished out his
> >presidency?
> >> I thought that all got tossed or have I got that mixed up with
Arizona's
> >> governor who was brought up on some kind of hoky charges (although he
WAS
> >an
> >> ass) and it wound up being discounted.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >You do not have to leave office if you are impeached. The last president
> >that was choose to in order to prevserve the office of the President.
Sheesh
> >I actually paid attention in poli sci..
> >
> >
Gee why didn't I think of that. Think about all the money I could be saving.
Anyone here expert in History after the Civil War ? Journalism? Math ??
English Comp 1302??
Barb
Laura M. Young
>
> Now as for women doing things better. That is no surprise. It is us who
> rules the world anyway. Men just haven't wised up to it yet.
The governor we just elected is not only female but also of Italian heritage!
Personally, I'm expecting great things...if nothing else, maybe they'll start
serving pizza or ravioli instead of rubber chicken at state functions!
Teapot will appreciate my enthusiasm about our newest electee!
DizzyD
>
To be more accurate, it's the time well spent more than the money. My
parents paid for the first one and the school paid me to get the
second.
But, having been on both sides of the podium, I cannot express the
pure joy to find out that someone remembers something from class. ;-)
This will not be on the final, by the way.
Diane
Barbara Sherrill
> Barbara Sherrill wrote:
>
> >
> > Now as for women doing things better. That is no surprise. It is us who
> > rules the world anyway. Men just haven't wised up to it yet.
>
> The governor we just elected is not only female but also of Italian
heritage!
> Personally, I'm expecting great things...if nothing else, maybe they'll
start
> serving pizza or ravioli instead of rubber chicken at state functions!
>
> Teapot will appreciate my enthusiasm about our newest electee!
>
>
Maybe now... Tea time will become a national event. Something we have to do
everyday... Well at least during GH.
Barb
Poco Ritard
<bshe...@pdq.net> wrote:
>
t
<<Snip some>>
>
>Now as for women doing things better. That is no surprise. It is us who
>rules the world anyway. Men just haven't wised up to it yet.
>
>Barb
>
Ohhhh, but this one has wised up :) I fully understand that the gals
control 95% of the money and 100% of 'something else'
Can't say that olde Poco ain't learned nothing from 45 years of
incarceration..... uuuuuuuuum.......... I mean marriage!!!!
Regards, Poco
>
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>
> "DizzyD" <dmo...@uplink.net> wrote
> > >
> > >You do not have to leave office if you are impeached. The last president
> > >that was choose to in order to prevserve the office of the President.
> Sheesh
> > >I actually paid attention in poli sci..
> > >
> > >
>
> Gee why didn't I think of that. Think about all the money I could be saving.
>
LOL... You talking to yourself, Barb??? ;)
bj
Barbara Sherrill
>
> Diane
I have heard those words more times than I care to admit last week. Finals
for me are Wed and Friday of this week and Wed of the next. So if I become a
babbling idiot just ignore me.
Barbara Sherrill
<chica...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:3DE9541D...@bellsouth.net...
I better make sure I am not replying to myself or I be in trouble.... lol
Laura M. Young
> Ohhhh, but this one has wised up :) I fully understand that the gals
> control 95% of the money and 100% of 'something else'
>
> Can't say that olde Poco ain't learned nothing from 45 years of
> incarceration..... uuuuuuuuum.......... I mean marriage!!!!
My son is getting married in two months, and every time he comes over we ask how
the wedding plans are going. My husband keeps giving him the same advice, "Now
is a good time for you to practice saying, 'yes, dear.' It will be good
preparation for marriage!"
Not that my hubby always remembers his own good advice!
Poco Ritard
wrote:
I see your hubby has it all figured out :) Sounds like pretty good
advice. Congratulations to your son.
Dish1991
>I doubt that
doubt what exactly?...that he is the lesser of many evil people who would love
to claim themselves the leader of the palestine people? he lives in terror
himself bc many other terroist groups would love for him to be outta there.
they think he has sold out to the west. our government has even admitted to
concern over what kind of person would take his place.
>How would you feel if you knew the chances of never seeing
>your family ever again when they walked out the door to school or work was
>great? This is what my friend faces each and every day.
i know a little about terror...
i lost a cousin in the wtc. i have several others who got out. another cousin
is a firefighter, and was there for weeks after 9.11 digging. i got engaged on
top of tower 1. i went to the site 3 weeks after 9.11.
my family is from ireland. many are still there. i remember visiting and taking
shelter during bomb scares. this was their norm.
>I don't find him the
>lesser of any evil. He is the evil one right next to Laden.
there are dozens of terrorist groups in that region of the world..and arafat
isn't the scariest. he just makes the evening news.
chica...@nowhere.com
> >From: "Barbara Sherrill"
> >I doubt that
>
> doubt what exactly?...that he is the lesser of many evil people who would love
> to claim themselves the leader of the palestine people? he lives in terror
> himself bc many other terroist groups would love for him to be outta there.
> they think he has sold out to the west. our government has even admitted to
> concern over what kind of person would take his place.
It doesn't seem like many people realize that Arafat doesn't control all
those radical groups, because of just what you said. He *has* tried in
recent years to work with the U.S. to gain peace with Israel, and there
are factions who do not want him to succeed... on both sides. He can't
win, and definitely is not the biggest problem over there.
> >I don't find him the
> >lesser of any evil. He is the evil one right next to Laden.
>
> there are dozens of terrorist groups in that region of the world..and arafat
> isn't the scariest. he just makes the evening news.
Especially the U.S. news, you will rarely see objective reporting here
on events in Israel, because it is filtered with our country's and
Israel's bias. Sharon terrorizes just as many neighborhoods and
families in retaliation, as each of these suicide bombers do. There
are no clean hands in that dispute in my book.
bj
Dish1991
>Especially the U.S. news, you will rarely see objective reporting here
>on events in Israel, because it is filtered with our country's and
>Israel's bias. Sharon terrorizes just as many neighborhoods and
>families in retaliation, as each of these suicide bombers do. There
>are no clean hands in that dispute in my book.
well said bj!
Barbara Sherrill
"Dish1991" <dish...@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
> >From: chicagofan
>
> >Especially the U.S. news, you will rarely see objective reporting here
> >on events in Israel, because it is filtered with our country's and
> >Israel's bias. Sharon terrorizes just as many neighborhoods and
> >families in retaliation, as each of these suicide bombers do. There
> >are no clean hands in that dispute in my book.
>
> well said bj!
>
Sadly most of my reports of what is happening over there in Isreal is from
someone that lives there, someone that had friends killed. Someone that
lives in fear on a daily basis. None of us can imagine what its like hearing
bombs exploding as you are shopping a few doors down. Yes the attacks here
were bad and thank God it was only one day. Can you imagine what its like on
a daily basis? Hopefully, it will be a very long time before we are
attacked again. Sadly once again, it will happen to us again. 9/11 opened up
all of our eyes.
Teapot Mom
"Barbara Sherrill" wrote:
> Gee why didn't I think of that. Think about all the money I could be
saving.
> Anyone here expert in History after the Civil War ? Journalism? Math ??
> English Comp 1302??
My son is great in math, especially the higher maths. He tutors, also.
Teapot
Barbara Sherrill
"Teapot Mom" <este...@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:LmzG9.197892$%m4.7...@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...
Great send him here! I am sure I can save a bundle. We have a Jr College
just 5 minutes from me. Its costing me $450 more to go there, since our
school district did not vote to be into the colleges district. Its going to
cost me well over a thousand dollars to take 4 classes while those that
"live in district" pay $450 less and they live further away. its insane.
Barb
Dish1991
>Its going to
>cost me well over a thousand dollars to take 4 classes while those that
>"live in district" pay $450 less and they live further away. its insane
oh wow! it cost me about $1000 per class in the 80s!!!!!!!
where do you live barb??
Barbara Sherrill
"Dish1991" <dish...@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
> >From: "Barbara Sherrill"
>
> >Its going to
> >cost me well over a thousand dollars to take 4 classes while those that
> >"live in district" pay $450 less and they live further away. its insane
>
> oh wow! it cost me about $1000 per class in the 80s!!!!!!!
>
> where do you live barb??
>
>
I am in Houston. My husband and I are looking to see if it will be cheaper
for me to transfer to the University of Houston. I already did a class there
and it was just so large. I love the smaller class rooms, but price wise I
may have to make a change. I am suppose to go to U of H in 2 1/2 years to
finish up my degree, but it may be sooner.
Barb
chica...@nowhere.com
> "Dish1991" <dish...@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote:
> > >From: chicagofan
> > >There are no clean hands in that dispute in my book.
> >
> > well said bj!
>
> Sadly most of my reports of what is happening over there in Isreal is from
> someone that lives there, someone that had friends killed. Someone that
> lives in fear on a daily basis.
Just as Palestinian women do in that area.
> None of us can imagine what its like hearing bombs exploding as you are
> shopping a few doors down.
I have imagined it, because when I was a child I lived in fear of germans
bombing my home. Because back then[without TV] children didn't understand
how far away the battlefronts of Germany & Japan were. Everyday life was
*consumed* with rationing, sale of war bonds, and dealing with emergency
situations, people being drafted and wires and newspaper reports of those
servicemen not coming home.
I have often thought of what it must be like to live in a Palestinian
village, where you need permission to travel to and from your job; and on
any given day, if some nut who lives near you decides to be a martyr, your
house and/or your life could be taken when Israel seeks their revenge.
> Yes the attacks here were bad and thank God it was only one day. Can you
> imagine what its like on a daily basis?
I've been thinking about it a lot, and even more so, since the 2000 election.
> Hopefully, it will be a very long time before we are attacked again. Sadly
> once again, it will happen to us again.
You can count on that. We are increasing the hatred of Americans daily. :-(
bj
Barbara Sherrill
<chica...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:3DEE82F8...@bellsouth.net...
Its been a concern of mine since the WTC was bombed back in the early 90's.
It does not have anything to do with who is in office. It would of happen if
Mickey Mouse or Daffy Duck.
Everyone says it happen because of our current President. Who is in the oval
office has nothing to do with any attacks on America, it happens; because we
are ill prepared. America has been attacked many times. It does not always
happen here on our shores.
chica...@nowhere.com
>
> <chica...@nowhere.com> wrote
> > election.
>
> Its been a concern of mine since the WTC was bombed back in the early 90's.
> It does not have anything to do with who is in office. It would of happen if
> Mickey Mouse or Daffy Duck.
Right... since 1993, it should have been on everyone's mind. They said
they would be back, and too many people ignored them.
> Everyone says it happen because of our current President. Who is in the oval
> office has nothing to do with any attacks on America, it happens; because we
> are ill prepared. America has been attacked many times. It does not always
> happen here on our shores.
HOLD ON! I certainly didn't say it happened, because Bush is in office.
I said I am more concerned about it now, because of how this administration
is handling foreign relations, particularly our allies.
If you think he is a great leader, that's fine. I simply don't share that
opinion, but I was not laying any blame at his feet for past events.
bj
Barbara Sherrill
<chica...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:3DEE94FD...@bellsouth.net...
>
> I said I am more concerned about it now, because of how this
administration
> is handling foreign relations, particularly our allies.
>
The one President that was clearly the most talented with foreign affairs
is now dead. Nixon. He may of screwed up big time, but that man knew how to
get things working the correct way when it came to across the ocean. Every
President had turned to him, since he left office up until his death. Bush
Sr did a decent job, I am not happy with the way he left things in Iraq, but
that is water under the bridge. Even when Clinton *shutter* was in office, I
even prayed for him and stood behind him on all of decisions, no matter how
wrong they were. I am far from a Clinton supporter, but I do support our
President, no matter who he is.
> If you think he is a great leader, that's fine. I simply don't share that
> opinion, but I was not laying any blame at his feet for past events.
I told a friend once... the events that happen when a President is in office
was starting in motion before he ever took office. No matter what the event
was. It may of not been obvious when the prior President is there, but
everything takes time. Even this stupid mess; that stupid corporation here
in Houston has caused. Been going on for years, before it fell apart. *Sigh*
just wish someone caught it early on. My friend looked at me like I was
insane... lol ... they know me well =)
peggo
"Barbara Sherrill" <bshe...@pdq.net> wrote in message
news:9A800091B332B53B.9101AB15...@lp.airnews.net...
> The one President that was clearly the most talented with foreign affairs
> is now dead. Nixon. He may of screwed up big time, but that man knew how
to
> get things working the correct way when it came to across the ocean.
Well only Nixon could go to China. But then he was a liar and a crook and
he got alot of my friends, neighbors and relatives killed.
peggo
Dish1991
> The one President that was clearly the most talented with foreign affairs
>is now dead. Nixon. He may of screwed up big time, but that man knew how to
>get things working the correct way when it came to across the ocean. Every
>President had turned to him, since he left office up until his death. Bush
>Sr did a decent job, I am not happy with the way he left things in Iraq, but
>that is water under the bridge. Even when Clinton *shutter* was in office, I
>even prayed for him and stood behind him on all of decisions, no matter how
>wrong they were. I am far from a Clinton supporter, but I do support our
>President, no matter who he is.
>
i disagree with everything you wrote.