hello
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
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>Subject: Re: hello
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:08:14 +0000
>
>le Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:31:20 +0100, dans l'article
><slrnastd08...@rosbif.home>, Arnold <XX...@voila.fr> a dit ...
>
>{ snip 200 lines that newbie fuckwit had neglected to remove }
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>> i enjoyed that.
>
>Learn to snip.
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: hello
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 06:55:22 +0000
>
>le Sun, 10 Nov 2002 04:37:00 GMT, dans l'article
><Mnlz9.162208$r7.29...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>, A Planet Visitor
><abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a dit ...
>
>>> I just wanted to introduce myself to the group. Though, after reading
>some
>>> of these
>>> posts, I feel like I should buy a nice kevlar vest before checking any
>>> responses
>>> to this post.
>>>
>>> I too, support the death penalty, and though I'm not a flag waving, fry-em
>>> kind of gal, I believe that to deny state sponsored death to a select
>group
>>> of murders who through their cold-blooded amoral actions show that they
>>> clearly have no redeeming value would be a travesty.
>
>> Quite right.
>
>{ snip 50 obsessive lines of 'Why I Love Desi' ... LOL !! }
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: hello
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 06:32:23 +0000
>
>le Sun, 10 Nov 2002 01:51:31 GMT, dans l'article
><DYiz9.321889$121.8...@twister.austin.rr.com>, GT <gina...@yahoo.com> a
>dit ...
>
>> I just wanted to introduce myself to the group. Though, after reading some
>> of these
>> posts, I feel like I should buy a nice kevlar vest before checking any
>> responses
>> to this post.
>>
>> I too, support the death penalty, and though I'm not a flag waving, fry-em
>> kind of gal, I believe that to deny state sponsored death to a select group
>> of murders who through their cold-blooded amoral actions show that they
>> clearly have no redeeming value would be a travesty.
>
>Was your neighbour beaten to death with a hammer, too ?
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: hello
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:02:51 +0000
>
>le Sun, 10 Nov 2002 01:51:31 GMT, dans l'article <DYiz9.321889$121.891239=
>8...@twister.austin.rr.com>, GT <gina...@yahoo.com> a dit ...=20
>
>> I just wanted to introduce myself to the group. Though, after reading =
>some
>> of these
>> posts, I feel like I should buy a nice kevlar vest before checking any
>> responses
>> to this post.
>>=20
>> I too, support the death penalty, and though I'm not a flag waving, fry=
>-em
>> kind of gal, I believe that to deny state sponsored death to a select g=
>roup
>> of murders who through their cold-blooded amoral actions show that they
>> clearly have no redeeming value would be a travesty.
>
>Greetings, Geena, and welcome to the group. Contrary to what some of the=
>=20
>more ... erm ... intellectually challenged members of this newsgroup have
>said, you can expect your stay here to be fulfilling.=20=20
>
>A few pointers ...=20
>
>i) You get from news:alt.activism.death-penalty what you put in. The
> simple fact that you are a retentionist will not automatically
attrac=
>t
> any abuse or insults. One only need consider Mr Richard Jackson,
who=
> is
> retentionist, but who commands the respect of most posters here.
The
> other 'serious' retentionist, John Rennie, hasn't posted for a
couple=
> of
> days, for some reason.=20=20
>
>ii) It is axiomatic that support for the death penalty is inversely pr=
>op-
> ortional to IQ. I don't know why this is, and sociologists have
pore=
>d
> over the question for decades. No one knows why, but it cannot be
> denied that there are very few educated 'pro-DP'ers' (sic), either
he=
>re,
> or in the world at large. One of the unfortunate side-effects of
thi=
>s
> is that one finds it very difficult to obtain calm, reasoned debate.
> Try saying 'I'm against the death penalty' in a bar full of Irish
> immigrants in 'Noo Joisey' (yes, I speak from experience), and
you'll
> see what I mean.
>
>iii) There are a few disruptive posters on this group. One of them, yo=
>u can
> recognise by the e-mail address 'old...@comcast.net'. He also pos=
>ts
> under several aliases, including (but not restricted to)
> billy...@aol.com and David_M...@subspacemail.com. Do not be
> fooled by these e-mail addresses: it is the same person posting
under
> all three. His posts always end with the word 'Rev.', but he is not
=
>a
> minister. He obtained his 'ordination' from an online website :
> http://www.ulc.org/ One of my cats also got 'ordained' from the
same
> website, and there are some other posters here who became
'ministers'=
> on
> the same website, to poke fun at this particular idiot. His real
nam=
>e
> is Donald McDonald (no, really, I'm not joking !), and he is a child
> abuser (his website used to boast about how he 'set' his Pit Bull
> Terrier to savage his daughter's face) and convicted felon. Some of
=
>the
> 'tricks' that this person has got up to, were to have my flat
firebom=
>bed
> because I disagreed with his views on the death penalty. He also
pos=
>ted
> my late mother's address to this newsgroup, asking others to 'go pay
=
>her
> a visit'. If you run a quick search on google, you'll also find
> references to where he advised the mother of a handicapped child to
> 'just smother the little cunt', and where he advocated raping female
> abolitionists, so that 'the bitches know what it's like to be a
victi=
>m'.
> He has recently 'branched out' into posting a rote response to my
> articles, in the hope that I will be 'archived' in google, as I
exerc=
>ise
> my right under the French Constitution, to freedom of expression,
and
> freedom to decide on the distribution of those words. A quick
glance=
> at
> these 'archives', will show that as many of them have been altered
> before being 'archived', they serve as much use as a safety match in
=
>the
> Antarctic.=20
>
>iv) The most disruptive poster that this newsgroup has _ever_ seen, ho=
>wever,
> posts mainly under the name 'A Planet Visitor'. He is more disrup=
>tive
> than the above, mainly because his lies and abuse are much more
insid=
>uous.
> He is a Catholic, and frequently peppers his posts with
priest-like=20
> incantations, and imprecations to 'strike down' his 'evil' and
'onery=
>'
> opponents. He seeks to impose his moral 'code' on others, either by
> emotional blackmail where it will work, or by threats, where it
won't=
>.
> His most recent (and famous) outburst, was to wish 'out loud' for
a=20
> contract killing to be carried out on another poster here. He
mainta=
>ins
> a 'list' of things that I said, or am supposed to have said, and
will
> often burn bandwidth by posting and reposting that 'list', in the
(va=
>in)
> hope that he will turn others against me. His _modus operandi_
when=
> a
> new poster appears, is to play the role of the jovial
'grandpappy',=20
> who'll ask you on a Monday morning if you went to Mass, and who will
> only give you a Werthers Original if you can recite the Catechism
> backwards. As soon as you disagree with his views on the death
penal=
>ty,
> however, he will call you 'mental', 'a moron', 'deranged', etc. He
> is on record as saying that he will never trust an Arab, and has
call=
>ed
> all Germans 'stupid' (although he will deny it ... just watch him
!).
> He used to be capable of making salient points, but recently, has
all=
>owed
> his obsession with me to push him into making terabtye-length posts,
> without a single point, other than, 'desi [that's me] is bad to me
!'
> He claims not to care about the opinions of others on the newsgroup,
=
>but
> will frequently launch into an incandescent rage when others here
ref=
>use
> to condemn 'evil desi' (if you want to see an example of this, look
a=
>t
> the headers of this article, and click on the 'Obsessive Litany'
link=
>).
> He sees me everywhere, and indeed if you cross him, he will claim
tha=
>t I
> am you, posting under an alias. No doubt I'm 'Arnold' from
Marseille=
>,
> too. I'm in fact dirt, John Rennie, Richard Jackson, and Jigsaw
roll=
>ed
> into one. Christ, I'm the whole fucking newsgroup. To guage the
> 'mettle' of this poster, consider that until I came back (more on
tha=
>t
> below) to the newsgroup, he was the self-appointed 'spelling
flamer'.
> Once it was pointed out to him (by me, no really, no applause
necessa=
>ry)
> that his spelling and grammar were nothing to write home about, he
> decided that spelling and grammar flames were 'mindless drivel' ...
> forgetting that he had been doing it before anyone ! LOL ! Still,
l=
>est
> you come into the group without being aware of some of his more
famou=
>s
> 'clangers', know that he believes that 'Newfound' is a country. He
a=
>lso
> thinks that New South Wales is a province in the UK. He believes
tha=
>t
> the death penalty is 'pro-black' because it results in blacks being
> executed eleven times more frequently than whites, for the same
crime=
>.
> He 'invents' cutesy little grammatical rules, which he then bends to
=
>fit
> in with his posting. He believes that Geneva is a French city, and
s=
>o
> on. His tactic is to post reams and reams of URLs that he has
never
> opened, in 'support' of his arguments. This resulted in one famous
> example a few months back, in a debate on the Louise Woodward case,
> where he posted a URL which was _full_ of mentions of a certain Rule
> 25[b][2], governing a judge's power in a criminal trial. He _swore_
> that he had read the URL that he posted, but barely a fortnight
later=
>,
> when Rule 25[b][2] was mentioned again, he asked, 'What's this Rule
> 25[b][2] ?' He is famous for posting weblinks that he hasn't even
re=
>ad,
> and he got burned in another famous case, involving 'dirtdog', who
is=
> an
> English lawyer posting here. The debate was about 'mitigating
> circumstances', and Planet Visitor posted a URL which in fact
disprov=
>ed
> his own argument ! When called on his contradictions, he will go
bac=
>k
> five years in google, find a post where I mis-spelled 'surprise',
and
> dance around, clapping his hands, as he has 'proved' that I am
'evil'=
>.
> His most recent 'gimmick' is to twist the words of other posters, to
> make others (the others whose opinions he claims are 'of no
interest'=
>)
> think that they are 'evil'. A classic example of this is when he
> claimed that dirtdog, the poster whom I mentioned above, is anti-
> Semitic. Now, dirtdog has made _one_ mention of Israel in the whole
> two or three years that he has been posting. When reminded of this,
> Planet Visitor replied, 'It is not necessary to make an anti-Semitic
> statement, to be considered an anti-Semitic [sic]'. Right. Maybe
yo=
>u
> can decypher that one, 'cos it has evaded all of us. He also
claimed
> that I called Arabs 'ragheads' (and will oblige us all by posting
the
> URL in response to this post, as I can't be bothered looking for
it).
> Read the quotation, and you will note the strong satiric content of
> my words. In short, and to sum up, Planet Visitor (this would be a
g=
>ood
> time to introduce his 'other' name, 'LDB', which stands for 'Little
> Dancing Boy' ... more on that below) is a pretentious
pseudo-intellec=
>tual
> who whilst claiming to 'LOVE [sic] Tennyson', and to be versed in
the
> arts, philosophy, and the classics, is incapable of placing an=20
> apostrophe, and cannot spell simple words like 'all right', nor can
h=
>e
> distinguish between a verb and a noun. Now read on, for some more
> history of news:alt.activism.death-penalty ...
>
>v) Then there's me. Ah, yes, I'm a disruptive poster. One of the wo=
>rst,
> in fact (beat me !). Before you pronounce sentence, however, allow
m=
>e
> to explain why. I have been posting here longer than anyone
currentl=
>y
> on the group. I've been referred to as 'The Father of AADP', but
> modesty prevents me from assuming that title. I have seen The
Greats=
> on
> this group ... Lord Clane ... Dan Cutrer ... Moses Klein ... Dan
Hogg
> ... Mitchell Holman, and the Master of the Newsgroup himself, he in
> front of whom I genuflect, John Spragge. I was counted among those
> Greats. Yes, difficult to believe now, I concede. Fell and mighty
I
> once was, yet shrunken to a memory of that glory and majesty am I
now=
>.
> Why should this be ? A sad clarinet solo in C minor is needed now,
f=
>or
> the answer is that they all left, the Greats, one after the other.
A=
>ll
> driven away by 'old...@home.com' (as he was then), and his personae.
> They all left, until only I remained. In February 2001, I too bowed
> out, and left others to fight the good fight. I had come to the
> conclusion that this newsgroup had become little more than an
ego-tri=
>p
> for 'old...@home.com', and the twelve 'Fifty Free Hours' characters
t=
>hat
> he had created. Nothing more could be done here, on this forum.
AAD=
>P
> had had its time, but was now little more impressive than a proud
cas=
>tle
> set high upon the highest peak, where once fire had danced, Kings
had
> feasted, and song had rung out ... but which was now dark and
abando=
>ned
> by all who had once dwelt there, as the cruel wind whistled through
t=
>he
> broken shutters. AADP was dead. A year later, I subscribed once
mor=
>e
> to AADP, and lurked. I was immediately struck by the posts of
'LDB'.
> When I left, he had been an effective and witty contributor, albeit
a
> pretentious and wordy windbag (plus =E7a change ...). Upon my
return=
>,
> even though I still lurked in the shadows where none could see me,
bu=
>t
> yet where I could watch, LDB had become a bully. An abusive,
arrogan=
>t,
> opinionated, aggressive bully. Worse, this abomination whom once I
h=
>ad
> respected, had clad his self-serving arrogance in the raiment of
> 'morality'. He _claimed_ to be good, to be moral, to be right. He
> hijacked the moral high ground, and took upon himself the right to
ju=
>dge
> others. And that, my dear Geena, I will _NEVER_ permit. How dare
he=
> ??
> What gives this uneducated loser who has achieved nothing in his
life=
>,
> save obtaining a green card at the age of 16, the right to judge
_me_=
>??!
> I swore then that I would bring him down. I swore then that I would
> break him. I swore then that irrespective of the price, I would
make
> sure that _no one_ took him seriously. And I have paid a high
price.
> John Rennie, whom I mentioned above, was once an abolitionist. I
fea=
>r
> that I was instrumental in pushing him into the retentionist camp.
I
> shall have to live with that for the rest of my life, but he is
> 'collateral damage', and all victories involve innocent casualties.
=
>For
> victory there has been, Geena. Not 'victory' for me, Des Coughlan,
> naturalised French national, lowly UNIX admin, motorcycle rider and
> all-round good egg. No, victory for the newsgroup, for now, and you
=
>may
> be sure that no one here will contradict this ... _no one_ listens
to
> what Planet Visitor says anymore. _No one_. He has become a joke.
=
>The
> butt of jokes. I provoke him, and incite his rage. When he
responds=
>,
> the 'velvet tongue of Saruman' slips, and the newsgroup sees the
> enraged, racist, petulant, bigoted sophist who hides behind that
veil=
>.
> So I disrupt, and now you know why. You will find that in my posts
t=
>o
> most other retentionists, I am reasonably 'tame', albeit somewhat
> provocative. I reserve the brunt of my disruption for LDB. In
posti=
>ng
> to him, there is what others here have described as 'like a ghostly
> reminder of the power that once dwelt within thee'. I do this not
> because I consider him 'evil', for to me notions of 'good', 'evil',
o=
>r
> other epithets weighed down with meaningless value judgements, have
n=
>o
> sense. He is no more 'evil', than I am 'good'. What he is, is a
> destructive influence on the very fabric of the newsgroup, and he
mus=
>t
> _not_ be taken seriously. For as long as I am able, I intend to
make
> sure that he never will be.
>
>There are other posters here who do not fit into the above categories, bu=
>t
>you will get to know them as you go along. One piece of advice which you=
>=20
>ignore at your peril: do _not_ provide any personal information, on this=20
>group. Nothing more specific than the city you live in. If your address=
>=20
>is in your .sig, remove it. If you own a domain, put a PO Box in the who=
>is
>database. Do it now. You are 'shielded' from much of the abuse, as you
>have pitched your tent in the retentionist camp, but you are female, and=20
>as such, you will be the target of sexist hatred from 'old...@comcast.net=
>'.
>Should you ever 'change' camps, and become an abolitionist, then your lif=
>e
>and the lives of your friends and family will be in mortal danger, if you
>have allowed any personal details to be divulged to this person.
>
>Enjoy your stay.
>=09
>--=20
>Desmond Coughlan=20=20=20=20=20
>desmond @ zeouane.org
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