unmentioned execution methods.
incubus
execution methods but I see the past has many more grisly ones to show. I
saw a sites describing the use of the garrotte and I was shocked. The
described this as more humane than hanging.... In what reality???? It looks
like an instrument of torture more than an instrument of executions.
Surprisingly, this was abolished in 1974 after hanging. Ouch
Vlad Drac
wrote:
>Between our civilised societies we have collected a defined collection of
>execution methods but I see the past has many more grisly ones to show. I
>saw a sites describing the use of the garrotte and I was shocked.
Actually, it breaks the neck. There's an iron pin that drives into the
back of the inmates neck while simultaneoulsy two iron bands suffocate
the inmate.
I have pictures if anyone's interested
incubus
"Vlad Drac" <pat...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 20 Jul 2002 15:01:01 +0100, "incubus" <inc...@hellfire.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Between our civilised societies we have collected a defined collection of
> >execution methods but I see the past has many more grisly ones to show. I
> >saw a sites describing the use of the garrotte and I was shocked.
>
> Actually, it breaks the neck. There's an iron pin that drives into the
> back of the inmates neck while simultaneoulsy two iron bands suffocate
> the inmate.
> I have pictures if anyone's interested
>
hold the neck in place. It was meant to replace hanging. Yet the pin was
driven in place by a wheel or a lever. I doubt that it could be any faster
than hanging. I don't doubt it would be more painful though
Richard J.
A garrote, properly used, causes a very quick death. If made of rope,
the garrote in the hands of an expert causes loss of consciousness in a
short time, and can break the neck in some instances. A wire garrote
can easily sever the head completely from the body.
--
Teflon
A Planet Visitor
> wrote:
>
> >Between our civilised societies we have collected a defined collection of
> >execution methods but I see the past has many more grisly ones to show. I
> >saw a sites describing the use of the garrotte and I was shocked.
>
> Actually, it breaks the neck. There's an iron pin that drives into the
> back of the inmates neck while simultaneoulsy two iron bands suffocate
> the inmate.
> I have pictures if anyone's interested
Vlad, I am very disappointed in you. I provided some rather insightful
suggestions in respect to your views that we improve the esthetic
appearance of the execution chamber, and was not even acknowledged
for having spent the time examining the various things we could do
to achieve your view. Certainly suggesting background music of Sinatra
singing "I Did it my Way," would seem to be most appropriate if one
examines the words "And now, the end is near; and so I face the final
curtain..." See
http://www.vex.net/~buff/sinatra/cgi/arch.cgi/My_Way
I would appreciate some feedback if you think that might be a good
suggestion.
<rest clipped>
PV
Peter Morris
The garotte ...
> I have pictures if anyone's interested
Why am I not surprised?
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: unmentioned execution methods.
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:18:52 +0000
>
>Le Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:04:53 GMT, Vlad Drac <pat...@hotmail.com> a écrit :
>
>>>Between our civilised societies we have collected a defined collection of
>>>execution methods but I see the past has many more grisly ones to show. I
>>>saw a sites describing the use of the garrotte and I was shocked.
>
>> Actually, it breaks the neck. There's an iron pin that drives into the
>> back of the inmates neck while simultaneoulsy two iron bands suffocate
>> the inmate.
>> I have pictures if anyone's interested
>
>Don't all shout at once, now ...
>
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Desi is afraid of his own words! He can be reached at des...@noos.fr or
des...@zeouane.org.
As everyone knows, only COWARDS forge posts yet don't allow their own to be
archived!
Now Desi, Tell us about the Baltimore County police.
Mrs Emma Peel
In earlier years, the execution of a criminal was far more gruesome
than the crime itself. Many countries showed an incredible display
creativity in designing methods of torture and death to punish unlucky
transgressors of the social order. Christian martyrs in Europe were
drowned, stoned or burned at the stake. Ancient Chinese would secure
the criminal in a wooden frame and saw him in half using a two-burn
bow saw. In medieval England, the executioner would pour molten iron
down the prisoner's throat and burn him to death from the inside out,
or they could burn him from the outside in by placing him on a grid
iron over a fire to create a human barbecue. The French were quite
fond of the grisly height-altering device called the guillotine and in
the Middle East, the authorities had no hang-ups whatsoever about
sentencing criminals to the punishment used in the most famous
execution of all time namely crucifixion.
Weird too...
Cheers,
Emma
incubus
"Mrs Emma Peel" <emma...@elvis.com> wrote in message
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> "incubus" <inc...@hellfire.com> wrote in message
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> > Between our civilised societies we have collected a defined collection
of
> > execution methods but I see the past has many more grisly ones to show.
I
> > saw a sites describing the use of the garrotte and I was shocked. The
> > described this as more humane than hanging.... In what reality???? It
looks
> > like an instrument of torture more than an instrument of executions.
> > Surprisingly, this was abolished in 1974 after hanging. Ouch
>
>
> In earlier years, the execution of a criminal was far more gruesome
> than the crime itself. Many countries showed an incredible display
> creativity in designing methods of torture and death to punish unlucky
> transgressors of the social order. Christian martyrs in Europe were
> drowned, stoned or burned at the stake.
So i hear. They could also be stoned for lesser crimes such as mentioning
jehovah,"ouch!!! who threw that?"
Ancient Chinese would secure
> the criminal in a wooden frame and saw him in half using a two-burn
> bow saw. In medieval England, the executioner would pour molten iron
> down the prisoner's throat and burn him to death from the inside out,
> or they could burn him from the outside in by placing him on a grid
> iron over a fire to create a human barbecue. The French were quite
> fond of the grisly height-altering device called the guillotine and in
> the Middle East, the authorities had no hang-ups whatsoever about
> sentencing criminals to the punishment used in the most famous
> execution of all time namely crucifixion.
crucifictions a doddle.
line on the left one cross each.
:-) sorry about that. I had a monty python spasm. I also read something
about a thing called the wheel where a man would be tied to said large wheel
and was beaten to death with an iron bar.
Scary
>
> Weird too...
>
indeed
>
> Cheers,
>
> Emma
Donna Evleth
Dans l'article <10b91a3a.02072...@posting.google.com>,
emma...@elvis.com (Mrs Emma Peel) a écrit :
Drawing and quartering, literally pulling someone apart as a means of
execution, even made it to Louisiana in the 18th century. A habitual
criminal was executed this way. His name was Jean-Baptiste Baudrau. He was
drawn and quartered publicly in 1757, then denied a decent burial.
Donna Evleth
JIGSAW1695
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Le Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:03:34 +0000, Donna Evleth <dev...@noos.fr> a écrit :
{ snip }
> Drawing and quartering, literally pulling someone apart as a means of
> execution, even made it to Louisiana in the 18th century. A habitual
> criminal was executed this way. His name was Jean-Baptiste Baudrau. He was
> drawn and quartered publicly in 1757, then denied a decent burial.
Ah, so, like ... not much's changed in the US, then ..?
--
Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1
===============================
1757....1776... Think about it for a moment Dezi.
Peter Morris
>
> >
> >Drawing and quartering, literally pulling someone apart as a means of
> >execution, even made it to Louisiana in the 18th century. A habitual
> >criminal was executed this way. His name was Jean-Baptiste Baudrau. He
was
> >drawn and quartered publicly in 1757, then denied a decent burial.
> >
He was quite cut up about it.
JIGSAW1695
(See comment at end of lesson text)
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>Subject: Re: unmentioned execution methods.
>Date: 7/22/2002 4:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3d3c7094...@newszilla.xs4all.nl>
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>
>>
>>Drawing and quartering, literally pulling someone apart as a means of
>>execution, even made it to Louisiana in the 18th century. A habitual
>>criminal was executed this way. His name was Jean-Baptiste Baudrau. He was
>>drawn and quartered publicly in 1757, then denied a decent burial.
>>
We wonder what they teach out there in Deziland. Recently, our resident
Anti-American sage replied to a comment on how Americans had a prisoner drawn
and quartered by saying it was, not in his exact words, typically American.
Unforturnatly, Dezi must have been nodding off during this part of French
history.
During the time period mentioned, Lousiana was part of the French empire and
goverend by French law and French administrators. Any barbarism done during
this time period was of French origin.
It wasnt until 1803 that the shrewd French sold those upstart Amricans 900,000
square miles for four cents an acre. They promptly blew the money on wine,
women and a war with England.
Yours in History
Jigsaw
One of the most significant acquisitions of land came during James Madison's
tenure as Secretary of State.
The Louisiana Purchase nearly doubled the size of the young nation, changing
its borders from Canada to the Gulf of Mexico and from the Mississippi River to
the Rocky Mountains. Today, there are thirteen states that were part of the
lands added from the Louisiana Purchase. These states are: Louisiana,
Arkansas, Missouri, lowa, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas,
Wyoming, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Colorado and Montana.
In 1803, France sold over 900,000 square miles west of the Mississippi River to
the United States for $15 million, which is an average of 4 cents an acre.
This new addition made the US one of the largest geographic nations in the
world and showed the growing power of the nation. The Louisiana Territory had
been given to Spain by France in 1762 after forty years of Spanish rule, the
Spanish were willing to give the territory back to pay off some of its debts.
Thomas Jefferson and James Madison soon heard of the pending deal and sent
Robert Livingston to negotiate for a small piece of land along the Mississippi
so America could build its own seaport. Becoming impatient with the lack of
news, Jefferson and Madison sent James Monroe to attempt to acquire New Orleans
and West Florida. France realized that war with Great Britain was coming and
knew that it could not defend Louisiana against the naval might of Great
Britain. It offered to sell the entire territory to the US.
>Subject: Re: unmentioned execution methods.
>From: pat...@hotmail.com (Vlad Drac)
>Date: 7/22/2002 4:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3d3c7094...@newszilla.xs4all.nl>
incubus
"Donna Evleth" <dev...@noos.fr> wrote in message
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Barbaric. Humans should be executed humanely. I could never understand why
they would be denied a proper burial. Unless my facts are inaccurate many
criminals hanged in the uk were denied full christian burials
>
> Donna Evleth
incubus
> >execution, even made it to Louisiana in the 18th century. A habitual
> >criminal was executed this way. His name was Jean-Baptiste Baudrau. He
was
> >drawn and quartered publicly in 1757, then denied a decent burial.
> >
to kill a person is one thing but then to piss off his ghost. Not wise ;-)
incubus
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Desi isn't French, he is British, and we have caused our share of barbaric
bloodshed too. We still do from time to time. Personally if i see any more
of those little bastards torturing cats then i will personally bring back
hanging :-D
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: unmentioned execution methods.
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:47:21 +0000
>
>Le 22 Jul 2002 19:43:06 GMT, JIGSAW1695 <jigsa...@aol.com> a écrit :
>
>> > Ah, so, like ... not much's changed in the US, then ..?
>
>> 1757....1776... Think about it for a moment Dezi.
>
>Jigsaw ... shhhhh !!!!!
>
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: unmentioned execution methods.
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 18:09:58 +0000
>
>Le Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:03:34 +0000, Donna Evleth <dev...@noos.fr> a écrit :
>
>
>{ snip }
>
>> Drawing and quartering, literally pulling someone apart as a means of
>> execution, even made it to Louisiana in the 18th century. A habitual
>> criminal was executed this way. His name was Jean-Baptiste Baudrau. He
>was
>> drawn and quartered publicly in 1757, then denied a decent burial.
>
>Ah, so, like ... not much's changed in the US, then ..?
>
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Just last week, a guy convicted of raping and murdering his nephew by an
Iranian court was sentenced to be thrown off a cliff in a sack as
punishment. If he survives the fall, he will be hanged until dead.
Another brutal and original death penalty practiced in China at least into
the 1920's was the practice of "dividing into a thousand pieces", in which
the victim was tied to a stake, cut apart piece by piece and left to die.
If the victim died before the thousand-piece quota was achieved, the
executioner would be executed in turn. The one specific case of which I am
aware concerned a woman accused of adultery.
incubus
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That's unusual and definately cruel.
>
> Another brutal and original death penalty practiced in China at least into
> the 1920's was the practice of "dividing into a thousand pieces", in which
> the victim was tied to a stake, cut apart piece by piece and left to die.
> If the victim died before the thousand-piece quota was achieved, the
> executioner would be executed in turn. The one specific case of which I
am
> aware concerned a woman accused of adultery.
I bet that stings a bit
>
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