It was previously announced that I was writing the pilot 2-hour opener for a
series entitled JEREMIAH. What was not known, though speculated about, was the
show going to series. We got the go ahead right around the end of the year,
though I've had to be kinda quiet about it until now.
In brief: it's an order for 20 hours (the opening 2 hour movie and 18 hours to
follow) for the Showtime Network. We start formal prep next Wednesday, and
start shooting September 4th; after finishing the movie we then go right into
shooting the series. We've hired all our crew, we're in the very last stages
of casting (with several name actors up for various roles), and we're just
about ready to rock.
This is going to be a heavily dramatic series, character-oriented, with a
measure of action and humor as well. Because this is pay cable, they've taken
off the usual broadcast TV handcuffs and told me to take it to the wall
creatively, no restrictions, so I plan to do just that.
The series will debut on Showtime in January with a huge PR campaign. I still
kinda have to wait for Showtime before I can talk specifics about others
involved (writers, directors, cast, and so on). But in my view it's a terrific
team, and it's going to be a fun show.
jms
(jms...@aol.com)
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> But in my view it's a terrific team, and it's going to be a fun show.
Any broad hints as to what it will be about?
I might have to decide to get PayTV again,
after my local cable company frosted me the last time...
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I'd expect there will be a few of the usual suspects on staff, with jms
trying to get freelance scripts from his favorite SF and comic writers.
> directors,
Well, we know Joe Dante is involved. For those who caught it, he
directed the first segment of the most recent "Night Visions".
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Make that the second segment.
And Joe... Does the pilot have a title?
Yes, it will eventually be syndicated, but not for about 2 years.
Joe Dante is not involved due to other commitments, but another well known
feature film director is now attached to direct the pilot movie. (Again, I
can't give specifics on crew or cast until Showtime comes out with that
first...but I can say that there is a rather impressive pedigree of people both
in front of and behind the camera).
It will air in prime-time, on the Showtime network, and we have a heck of a lot
more money to play with than on B5...it's going to be a huge show.
Yes, what is it about? Science Fiction? Fantasy? Western? Who or
what is this Jeremiah?
Right around now in our timeline, a virus wipes out everyone on the planet over
the age of puberty (figure around 12-13).
It is now about 15 years later. Those who were once children have now grown up
and are in their late 20s on down. For 15 years, they have been living on the
scraps of the old world; now they must either continue the downward slide, or
begin to rebuild the world, taking responsibility for themselves and the world
and each other.
It is, oddly enough, a post-apocalyptic series about *beginnings* rather than
endings, about hope rather then despair. It is about the new world rising out
of the ashes of the old world, what shape that world will take, and who will
get to decide that shape.
More than that would be to give too much away.
However, from the sound of things, "Jeremiah" is going to be a hell of a lot
better. IMO
- Bill Daras
Jms at B5 <jms...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010721011854...@ng-mr1.aol.com...
> It is, oddly enough, a post-apocalyptic series about *beginnings* rather than
> endings, about hope rather then despair. It is about the new world rising out
> of the ashes of the old world, what shape that world will take, and who will
> get to decide that shape.
Did you ever get a look at Herman's original series of graphic novels? If
you did, what did you think of them? They were for Herman more a way of
combining two of his loves, western and SF, and I don't believe the plague
was so all-encompassing in them - they were more than a few oldsters
appearing here and there.
Great exercises in storytelling, though (one album held a fine wink to
Eisner).
Patrick
--
Reason is only a drug, and its effects cannot be permanent.
- Hope Mirrlees -
There wasn't any plague... Things fell apart because of a racially
motivated civil war in the comic. I really didn't buy that the world in
the comic could have been caused by that (for starters it ignored the
rest of the world), and I'm glad jms decided to change things.
> Great exercises in storytelling, though
Agreed.
What's your policy regarding SF elements on the show? The comic played
it straight most of the time, but occasionally slipped in everything
from life force draining machines to hypnotic beasts and even grey aliens.
There is a series on channel 4 called "The Tribe" which starts out with
a not dissimilar scenario. It's basically about the teenagers trying to
survive in a world with no adults and it's shown entirely from a teen
perspective. I believe it's an Australian production.
I thought it was a great idea, but poorly executed and definitely aimed
at children with all the usual clichés (the school bully who learns that
being kind and co-operative is far better; the girl who realises that
having a baby won't solve any problems etc.).
I don't imagine your series will end up looking much like it, whatever
the superficial similarities. I'm looking forwards to it. I wonder if
Sky One will pick it up - they show a lot of Showtime-MGM stuff.
>
>It is, oddly enough, a post-apocalyptic series about *beginnings* rather than
>endings, about hope rather then despair. It is about the new world rising out
>of the ashes of the old world, what shape that world will take, and who will
>get to decide that shape.
It is good to have TV that gives hope. There is too little hope in the
world today.
>More than that would be to give too much away.
Thanks for sharing that outline. I'm sure it's going to be fantastic.
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Joe,
I look forward in anticipation to this series when it is syndicated
two years from now. Alas, my budget does not allow me to subscribe
to cable.
It will be interesting to see a post-apocalyptic world with the
Straczynski twist of the knife: a world without reset buttons,
where actions have consequences that are sometime tragic and
frequently unexpected but totally logical in retrospect. A world
in which character development is emphasized, where characters
whisper in Joe's ear on ways to keep their character true,
where we will grow to know, love and hate a spectrum of believable
characters, where character development drives the plot not the
other way around.
I wonder whether the Showtime audience will be prepared to be
Straczynskied and whether they will know what hit them after
they have had their hearts, minds and souls ripped out and
permanently traumatized.
Just as a reminder to the future viewers of JEREMIAH on Showtime,
please indicate spoilers and leave enough spoiler spaces in your
postings for those of us who will not see the show before it is
syndicated. Please consider rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated as
your home for discussions of JEREMIAH, since Jay Denebeim and the
other moderators have done and continue to do an excellent job.
Hope the barbecued ribs were tasty
and the banana ice cream was without nuts,
With great respect and anticipation,
Dan Dassow
Sigh. It would have been nice to see what could have been done with
Crusade on such a budget and with such free reign...
Tom B.
BTW
Funny guy in a gold uniform with a long ear side kick doesn't show up, do they?
CJW
<<
Sigh. It would have been nice to see what could have been done with
Crusade on such a budget and with such free reign...>>
Oh! You just gave me goose-bumps! What a concept! Let's hope that Showtime
loves what JMS does and wants to keep him happy and gainfully employed, shall
we?
Jan
How "Mad Max beyond Thunderdome" should have been done.
Andrew Swallow
> It will air in prime-time, on the Showtime network, and we have a heck of
a lot
> more money to play with than on B5...it's going to be a huge show.
I was just thinking that Once Stargate finishes its run on Showtime and the
rest
of the DVDs are scheduled I'll have no reason to continue my showtime
subscription.
Its nice to be wrong sometimes..
-Robert
Episode 2: "Return of the Grups"
joe
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>Right around now in our timeline, a virus wipes out everyone on the planet over
>the age of puberty (figure around 12-13).
>
>It is now about 15 years later. Those who were once children have now grown up
>and are in their late 20s on down. For 15 years, they have been living on the
>scraps of the old world; now they must either continue the downward slide, or
>begin to rebuild the world, taking responsibility for themselves and the world
>and each other.
>
>It is, oddly enough, a post-apocalyptic series about *beginnings* rather than
>endings, about hope rather then despair. It is about the new world rising out
>of the ashes of the old world, what shape that world will take, and who will
>get to decide that shape.
Sounds a bit like that 1970's British tv show 'Survivors' which I
enjoyed immensely until I felt they progressed to far too fast and
miraculously had exactly the right skills they needed.
I can see that the world would fall apart, especially after 15 years,.
So much of what we do is based on what went before that if we lost that
knowledge we'd be right back to square one on the civilisation tree.
>
> jms
--
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We ate for the one, we drank for the one.
,
,
,
We got fat for the one
Jms at B5 wrote:
> Because this is pay cable, they've taken
> off the usual broadcast TV handcuffs and told me to take it to the wall
> creatively, no restrictions, so I plan to do just that.
I hope you don't mean that it's going to be raunchy. If that's what you
mean, have at it, but give us some warning.
There are those of us who aren't into gutter language or all the
just-short-of-x-rated garbage that keeps being put on cable.
>There are those of us who aren't into gutter language or all the
>just-short-of-x-rated garbage that keeps being put on cable.
i highly doubt this is what jms means, my expectation is more along the lines
of "realistic speech", as much as i myself dislike to swear, i also find it
annoying to watch a movie from the 50's about sailors who don't say a word
worse than "golly gee", or to hear a hardened military veteran who has died and
come back to life say "Fraggin!!", besides, ivanova's naked in C&C dream scene
woula been so much better, <g>
...Chris
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I'm quite positive that he's said Vancouver, and noted it was possible
the crew would rotate from one Jeremiah to Rangers and back.
Actually, I've known several "hardened military veterans" who prefer to
be eloquent rather than simply profane.
Too many scripts seem to have been written by 8th graders who are doing
their best to out-four-letter each other.
I don't know about the USN but the RN particularly in the 30's 40's and
50's had a language all of it's own to the extent that I suspect that
subtitles would have to be used. Things are not so bad now but read any
of the books on the Falklands written by the journalists who went there
and you'll find comments about some of the terms used.
and the Talia/Ivanova scene
and the Lyta/Byron scene
<g>
My bad.
Mac Breck
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"To Live and Die in Starlight"
pilot movie for the new series
"Babylon 5 - The Legend of the Rangers"
January 2, 2002 on The Sci-Fi Channel.
http://www.scifi.com/b5rangers/
So that means that Jeremiah is going to be under Legendary Films as well,
then?
Oh, and here's where my mind does its usual wandering: If B5 was by
Babylonian Productions (except TG), and LotR is by Legendary Films, who
would Crusade have been by if it got its own production company?
Another wandering: B5 & Crusade had the same production designer & effects
people, C S2 would have had the same costume designer, and (I think) they
had the same director of photography and makeup people. Why go with all new
people for LotR? (Well, makeup might be the same, I haven't seen any credits
anywhere for him/her for LotR. But the others are different.)
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"However," replied the universe,
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If the rotating happens, then I would think so. Although, Rangers would
have a lot slimmer budget and probably not use the full Jeremiah team.
> Oh, and here's where my mind does its usual wandering: If B5 was by
> Babylonian Productions (except TG), and LotR is by Legendary Films, who
> would Crusade have been by if it got its own production company?
Part of the reason jms choose Crusade over better paying jobs was to
keep Babylonian Productions in business.
> Another wandering: B5 & Crusade had the same production designer & effects
> people, C S2 would have had the same costume designer, and (I think) they
> had the same director of photography and makeup people. Why go with all new
> people for LotR?
Because Rangers is filmed in Canada, not in LA like B5 and Crusade.
Vancouver.
So you have to be a telepath to get sex on B5?
E. John Roth III
>Actually, I've known several "hardened military veterans" who prefer to
>be eloquent rather than simply profane.
i wrote:
>>hardened military veteran who has died and
>> come back to life say "Fraggin!!
if you look carefully at what i wrote, i was referring to the common practice
of replacing realistic language and talk with "childsafe" words, in particular
my quoted words are roundabout referring to sheridan. and yes, there are
quite a few military people who don't swear, they were not the people i was
referring to, of course, i'd rather hear a person "stop short of swearing" than
have them use "childsafe language". by stopping short i mean all the times
sheridan says "that son of a...." and doesn't say the final word :-)
of course, what is a "Swear" word changes over time anyways.
...Chris
As someone who, as a teenager, collected end-of-the-world novels (and still
has the collection), I find this brief outline Way Cool. I may have to
start paying for Showtime now.
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I was referring both to "stopping short" AND to "childsafe" language. A
lot of "hardened veterans" DO use "childsafe" language. One "hardened
vet" of my acquaintance managed to put his hand through a window that
wasn't as open as he thought, and his reflexive response was a loud "Aw,
nuts!" -- leading to my observation that "a man that eloquent MUST be
saved," a quote from the movie "Patton." ;)
Well, there's definately several Delenn/Sheridan scenes that could be
interesting to watch, too...
<cough>
Sheridan/Blonde Nightwatch Babe
Sheridan/Delenn
No, no, no, I meant what would the name have been? BP & LF are both
derivatives of the shows they were created for, so I'm wondering what
Crusade's company would've ben called.
> > Another wandering: B5 & Crusade had the same production designer &
effects
> > people, C S2 would have had the same costume designer, and (I think)
they
> > had the same director of photography and makeup people. Why go with all
new
> > people for LotR?
>
> Because Rangers is filmed in Canada, not in LA like B5 and Crusade.
So because of that you're going to scrap a proven team who's work was good,
and liked by both fans & JMS? I know that hiring out the effects was
probably a good idea, although I half-expected them to use Foundation. And
if you're dealing mostly in established makeups, then a new person can
probably handle it just fine. Again, same with the costume designer - from
the little in the trailer, it seems to be mostly tailored variations of the
basic Ranger uniform. But foisting off a bunch of sets onto a new person and
having to keep them in a style similar to what went before, would be tough
on that person. All IMHO, of course.
::Snip various and sundry sex/nudity scenes we'd like to see::
What, doesn't anybody want to see what really happened between Garibaldi and
Dodger? The second time, particularly since his inhibitions may have been
lowered due to his drinking....
Or what Marcus got to listen to when he was standing guard duty on Mars while
Steven and #1 had dinner? Not to mention what they did when they met again on
the station?
Or for that matter the Steven and Cailyn scene?
Let's not forget Gideon and Lockley, shall we?
I think plenty of people get laid in this universe...
Jan
wondering if she should mention that she'd have enjoyed seeing Londo and
Adira...
Anyhow, regarding the Jeremiah announcement, it's nice to finally know
what you couldn't tell us. I was at Comic Con, and went over to the MGM
booth to see about some SG1 stuff. Imagine my surprise when I should see
a poster for Jeremiah. You guys should see the mock up poster they made
just to announce it. After all, they borrowed images from other shows
and films just so they could put the name of the show and that it's
created by JMS. In fact, they seemed really proud of being able to
announce that Joe was doing something for them, so that bodes well. And
I know who's eyes they used in the poster, and I'm willing to bet that
person won't be in the show. Joe, if you haven't seen it, ask Chris in
marketing to show you the poster, it's quite humorous, but maybe a bit
flattering as well. Anyhow, cool beans that the cat is now out of the
bag.
--
Peace, Love and Rock & Roll,
Kailin
"When hell freezes over, can we all play hockey there?"
Anonymous
"May the goddess whisper our name on the wind."
Pa'u Zotah Zhaan
Not really, since Garibaldi tends to be violent or morose when drunk.
> Or what Marcus got to listen to when he was standing guard duty on Mars
while
> Steven and #1 had dinner? Not to mention what they did when they met
again on
> the station?
That could be interesting...
> Or for that matter the Steven and Cailyn scene?
When's that from?
> Let's not forget Gideon and Lockley, shall we?
Umm... didn't they just go out, not sleep together (yet)?
> I think plenty of people get laid in this universe...
Almost too many...
> Jan
> wondering if she should mention that she'd have enjoyed seeing Londo and
> Adira...
How about Londo and Daggair & Muriel?
When's that from?>>
I may have misselled her name? The singer from downbelow who hhe met when
walkabout.
<<> Let's not forget Gideon and Lockley, shall we?
Umm... didn't they just go out, not sleep together (yet)?>>
Well....last I saw they were taking off their clothes together and about to
share a real hot water shower. I'll bet they did more than wash each others
backs.
<,How about Londo and Daggair & Muriel?>>
I think I'll pass on that one.
Jan
I could be wrong--could someone from Canada explain this? Isn't it
called "The Canadian Content Law" or something like that?
Tammy
>>
>> So you have to be a telepath to get sex on B5?
>
><cough>
>
>Sheridan/Blonde Nightwatch Babe
She did not get any sex.
>Sheridan/Delenn
>
Also Sinclair and his girl friends.
Andrew Swallow
>
>> Let's not forget Gideon and Lockley, shall we?
>
>Umm... didn't they just go out, not sleep together (yet)?
>
The cut to the picture of the long thin spaceship entering
the hole in the space station had the same symbolic
meaning as a train entering a tunnel.
Andrew Swallow
For effects, anyway, the reason would be that NDEI went under within
the last year or so. They don't still exist to re-use. I'd hope that
their raw materials will be available to the new effects house for
re-use and re-work, though.
> She did not get any sex.
Her own fault. She didn't give Zach a chance! <g>
Joe
> She did not get any sex.
Her own fault. She didn't give Zach a chance! <g>
Joe
>It was previously announced that I was writing the pilot
>2-hour opener for a series entitled JEREMIAH.
Can you comment at all on the connection between the name Jeremiah and
the plot? (Feel free to just ignore this if you can't; I'm sure that
all will become apparent in due time, one way or another).
The plot sounds very interesting, and not a heck of a lot different
from the predicament in which we find ourselves in the real world - at
least, for someone with a sufficient grasp of the sociological
imagination to realise this and take responsibility for it.
Looks like it will be a great show.
Matthew
Ah, her. Forgot about her.
> <<> Let's not forget Gideon and Lockley, shall we?
>
> Umm... didn't they just go out, not sleep together (yet)?>>
>
> Well....last I saw they were taking off their clothes together and about
to
> share a real hot water shower. I'll bet they did more than wash each
others
> backs.
Oh... umm... forgot about that...
> <,How about Londo and Daggair & Muriel?>>
>
> I think I'll pass on that one.
OK. I was just curious - I'd pass on any of his relations, myself.
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How could you possibly think that I'm part of Section 31?
<You turn around.>
<Cyanide hypospray sprays.>
Because I am?
Ah, her. Forgot about her.
> <<> Let's not forget Gideon and Lockley, shall we?
>
> Umm... didn't they just go out, not sleep together (yet)?>>
>
> Well....last I saw they were taking off their clothes together and about
to
> share a real hot water shower. I'll bet they did more than wash each
others
> backs.
Oh... umm... forgot about that...
> <,How about Londo and Daggair & Muriel?>>
>
> I think I'll pass on that one.
OK. I was just curious - I'd pass on any of his relations, myself.
--
Andrew, High Master Procrastinator of the Universe
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I *hate* symbolism. I just don't get it half the time - usually it has to
whack me over the head to understand it.
Well, Jeremiah was a bullfrog...
*runs like mad*
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Sorry if this has been asked before....
SAL
I don't think jms or any of this groups regulars will go anywhere else
to discuss the show, but I'd expect it to come up in rec.arts.sf.tv and
alt.tv.stargate-sg1 too. However, somewhere down the line, some fan of
the show who doesn't know the show is on topic here, or just thinks B5
sucks, will create a new group for it. Given jms' presence here, it'll
be interesting to see where the main fanbase ends up...
I dunno what his opinion on Patricia Tallman is but I think that my
husband was more impressed that she wasn't wearing a bra...
Remeber not all of B5 is at one G - there are places onboard were she can
get away with it. Sadly B5 wasn't on HBO or Showtime then we would have
gotten to see more:)
E. John Roth III
Wow! This is great! And we get Showtime too. Very worth it - Stargate is not
bad, and this will no doubt be first class!
Lisa Coulter
>Matthew Vincent <war...@es.co.nz> wrote:
>]On 20 Jul 2001 06:06:13 GMT, jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) wrote:
>]
>]>It was previously announced that I was writing the pilot
>]>2-hour opener for a series entitled JEREMIAH.
>]
>]Can you comment at all on the connection between the name Jeremiah and
>]the plot?
>
>Well, Jeremiah was a bullfrog...
>
>*runs like mad*
I'd suspect he heals post-apocalyptic wounds.
Then again, I know nothing about the biblical namesake.
Canadian content (IIRC) just refers to a law which requires a radio and
television stations to have a certain percentage of work done by Canadian
performers. It may be something different (labor law wise) that would
require them to hire a certain percentage of Canadian workers to produce
the show. In other words, Can-Con regulates what is broadcast and I have
no idea about how things are produced there. ;^)
Yes you are...
(It's becoming more and more apparent around here that "summer hormones"
truly exist in humans.) ;^)
BTW, Lexx sucks again. :^(
Well, it's possible (even at 1 G) to run, do Tae-Bo, etc. braless, even
with an 'ample busom'.
(But a stomach bra would be nice, such is the peril of encroaching middle
age!)
> >
> > Remeber not all of B5 is at one G - there are places onboard were she can
> > get away with it. Sadly B5 wasn't on HBO or Showtime then we would have
> > gotten to see more:)
> >
> > E. John Roth III
>
> Well, it's possible (even at 1 G) to run, do Tae-Bo, etc. braless, even
> with an 'ample busom'.
> (But a stomach bra would be nice, such is the peril of encroaching middle
> age!)
Stomach bra isn't that a corset?
E. John Roth III
I was trying to avoid that word (and girdle)... ;^)
Not big into having your internal organs deformed for fashion? And you
call yourself a woman? :)
E. John Roth III
That would explain the "increase your penis size" spam that I got. ;^)