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Jms at B5

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Jul 20, 2001, 2:06:13 AM7/20/01
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Well, the moratorium on information is over now that MGM has announce the info
at San Diego Comic Con (which, sadly, I can't attend due to the press of work).

It was previously announced that I was writing the pilot 2-hour opener for a
series entitled JEREMIAH. What was not known, though speculated about, was the
show going to series. We got the go ahead right around the end of the year,
though I've had to be kinda quiet about it until now.

In brief: it's an order for 20 hours (the opening 2 hour movie and 18 hours to
follow) for the Showtime Network. We start formal prep next Wednesday, and
start shooting September 4th; after finishing the movie we then go right into
shooting the series. We've hired all our crew, we're in the very last stages
of casting (with several name actors up for various roles), and we're just
about ready to rock.

This is going to be a heavily dramatic series, character-oriented, with a
measure of action and humor as well. Because this is pay cable, they've taken
off the usual broadcast TV handcuffs and told me to take it to the wall
creatively, no restrictions, so I plan to do just that.

The series will debut on Showtime in January with a huge PR campaign. I still
kinda have to wait for Showtime before I can talk specifics about others
involved (writers, directors, cast, and so on). But in my view it's a terrific
team, and it's going to be a fun show.


jms

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Michael J Wise

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Jul 20, 2001, 12:21:55 PM7/20/01
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Jms at B5 wrote:

> But in my view it's a terrific team, and it's going to be a fun show.

Any broad hints as to what it will be about?
I might have to decide to get PayTV again,
after my local cable company frosted me the last time...

(8-)

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Tammy Smith

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Jul 20, 2001, 1:36:07 PM7/20/01
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Long time, no see, JMS! Well, I guess I'll have to get Showtime now. I
hope you will get to do Legend of the Rangers as a series, too. Just
don't overwork yourself, okay? (Yeah, right!)

I also cannot attend Comic Con--no money, & my work-schedule conflicts
with the con.

Tammy


TJ

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Jul 20, 2001, 6:08:03 PM7/20/01
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Will it be like Stargate SG-1 where it will be syndicated the following year on
the fox syndicates? please say yes. lol

TJ

CJW

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Jul 20, 2001, 8:14:51 PM7/20/01
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Very nice, can you give us clues what the series is about?

CJW

David Dvorkin

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Jul 20, 2001, 8:24:53 PM7/20/01
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Very cool. It's been a long wait for a new JMS series.

David Dvorkin
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Pål Are Nordal

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Jul 20, 2001, 10:14:51 PM7/20/01
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Jms at B5 wrote:
>
> The series will debut on Showtime in January with a huge PR campaign. I still
> kinda have to wait for Showtime before I can talk specifics about others
> involved (writers,

I'd expect there will be a few of the usual suspects on staff, with jms
trying to get freelance scripts from his favorite SF and comic writers.

> directors,

Well, we know Joe Dante is involved. For those who caught it, he
directed the first segment of the most recent "Night Visions".

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Pål Are Nordal

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Jul 20, 2001, 11:05:00 PM7/20/01
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Pål Are Nordal wrote:
>
> For those who caught it, he
> directed the first segment of the most recent "Night Visions".

Make that the second segment.

And Joe... Does the pilot have a title?

Jms at B5

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Jul 20, 2001, 11:12:40 PM7/20/01
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To the various inquiries....

Yes, it will eventually be syndicated, but not for about 2 years.

Joe Dante is not involved due to other commitments, but another well known
feature film director is now attached to direct the pilot movie. (Again, I
can't give specifics on crew or cast until Showtime comes out with that
first...but I can say that there is a rather impressive pedigree of people both
in front of and behind the camera).

It will air in prime-time, on the Showtime network, and we have a heck of a lot
more money to play with than on B5...it's going to be a huge show.

j...@gte.net

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Jul 21, 2001, 12:26:06 AM7/21/01
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Michael J Wise wrote:
>
> Jms at B5 wrote:
>
> > But in my view it's a terrific team, and it's going to be a fun show.
>
> Any broad hints as to what it will be about?
> I might have to decide to get PayTV again,
> after my local cable company frosted me the last time...
>
> (8-)
>
> Aloha mai Nai`a!
> --

Yes, what is it about? Science Fiction? Fantasy? Western? Who or
what is this Jeremiah?

Jms at B5

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Jul 21, 2001, 1:18:54 AM7/21/01
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>Yes, what is it about? Science Fiction? Fantasy? Western? Who or
>what is this Jeremiah?
>

Right around now in our timeline, a virus wipes out everyone on the planet over
the age of puberty (figure around 12-13).

It is now about 15 years later. Those who were once children have now grown up
and are in their late 20s on down. For 15 years, they have been living on the
scraps of the old world; now they must either continue the downward slide, or
begin to rebuild the world, taking responsibility for themselves and the world
and each other.

It is, oddly enough, a post-apocalyptic series about *beginnings* rather than
endings, about hope rather then despair. It is about the new world rising out
of the ashes of the old world, what shape that world will take, and who will
get to decide that shape.

More than that would be to give too much away.

Bill Daras

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Jul 21, 2001, 2:58:08 AM7/21/01
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Wow. I'm having flashbacks to a book I read in 5th grade that had a *very*
similar plot.

However, from the sound of things, "Jeremiah" is going to be a hell of a lot
better. IMO

- Bill Daras

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Patrick MARCEL

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Jul 21, 2001, 4:45:06 AM7/21/01
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Le 21/07/01 7:18, Jms at B5 a écrit  :

> It is, oddly enough, a post-apocalyptic series about *beginnings* rather than
> endings, about hope rather then despair. It is about the new world rising out
> of the ashes of the old world, what shape that world will take, and who will
> get to decide that shape.

Did you ever get a look at Herman's original series of graphic novels? If
you did, what did you think of them? They were for Herman more a way of
combining two of his loves, western and SF, and I don't believe the plague
was so all-encompassing in them - they were more than a few oldsters
appearing here and there.

Great exercises in storytelling, though (one album held a fine wink to
Eisner).

Patrick

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Pål Are Nordal

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Jul 21, 2001, 5:42:32 AM7/21/01
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Patrick MARCEL wrote:
>
> I don't believe the plague
> was so all-encompassing in them - they were more than a few oldsters
> appearing here and there.

There wasn't any plague... Things fell apart because of a racially
motivated civil war in the comic. I really didn't buy that the world in
the comic could have been caused by that (for starters it ignored the
rest of the world), and I'm glad jms decided to change things.

> Great exercises in storytelling, though

Agreed.

Pål Are Nordal

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Jul 21, 2001, 5:56:20 AM7/21/01
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Jms at B5 wrote:
>
> It is, oddly enough, a post-apocalyptic series about *beginnings* rather than
> endings, about hope rather then despair. It is about the new world rising out
> of the ashes of the old world, what shape that world will take, and who will
> get to decide that shape.

What's your policy regarding SF elements on the show? The comic played
it straight most of the time, but occasionally slipped in everything
from life force draining machines to hypnotic beasts and even grey aliens.

Anna Hayward, Alien Visitor

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Jul 21, 2001, 6:33:40 AM7/21/01
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Hi JMS,

>Right around now in our timeline, a virus wipes out everyone on the planet over
>the age of puberty (figure around 12-13).
>
>It is now about 15 years later. Those who were once children have now grown up
>and are in their late 20s on down. For 15 years, they have been living on the
>scraps of the old world; now they must either continue the downward slide, or
>begin to rebuild the world, taking responsibility for themselves and the world
>and each other.

There is a series on channel 4 called "The Tribe" which starts out with
a not dissimilar scenario. It's basically about the teenagers trying to
survive in a world with no adults and it's shown entirely from a teen
perspective. I believe it's an Australian production.

I thought it was a great idea, but poorly executed and definitely aimed
at children with all the usual clichés (the school bully who learns that
being kind and co-operative is far better; the girl who realises that
having a baby won't solve any problems etc.).

I don't imagine your series will end up looking much like it, whatever
the superficial similarities. I'm looking forwards to it. I wonder if
Sky One will pick it up - they show a lot of Showtime-MGM stuff.


>
>It is, oddly enough, a post-apocalyptic series about *beginnings* rather than
>endings, about hope rather then despair. It is about the new world rising out
>of the ashes of the old world, what shape that world will take, and who will
>get to decide that shape.

It is good to have TV that gives hope. There is too little hope in the
world today.

>More than that would be to give too much away.

Thanks for sharing that outline. I'm sure it's going to be fantastic.
--
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Dan Dassow

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jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) wrote in message news:<20010721011854...@ng-mr1.aol.com>...

Joe,
I look forward in anticipation to this series when it is syndicated
two years from now. Alas, my budget does not allow me to subscribe
to cable.

It will be interesting to see a post-apocalyptic world with the
Straczynski twist of the knife: a world without reset buttons,
where actions have consequences that are sometime tragic and
frequently unexpected but totally logical in retrospect. A world
in which character development is emphasized, where characters
whisper in Joe's ear on ways to keep their character true,
where we will grow to know, love and hate a spectrum of believable
characters, where character development drives the plot not the
other way around.

I wonder whether the Showtime audience will be prepared to be
Straczynskied and whether they will know what hit them after
they have had their hearts, minds and souls ripped out and
permanently traumatized.

Just as a reminder to the future viewers of JEREMIAH on Showtime,
please indicate spoilers and leave enough spoiler spaces in your
postings for those of us who will not see the show before it is
syndicated. Please consider rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated as
your home for discussions of JEREMIAH, since Jay Denebeim and the
other moderators have done and continue to do an excellent job.

Hope the barbecued ribs were tasty
and the banana ice cream was without nuts,
With great respect and anticipation,
Dan Dassow

Thomas Bagwell

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Jul 21, 2001, 1:39:38 AM7/21/01
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On 21 Jul 2001 03:12:40 GMT, jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) wrote:
>It will air in prime-time, on the Showtime network, and we have a heck of a lot
>more money to play with than on B5...it's going to be a huge show.

Sigh. It would have been nice to see what could have been done with
Crusade on such a budget and with such free reign...

Tom B.

CJW

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Jul 21, 2001, 11:56:34 AM7/21/01
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God I am sorry I asked....Please forgive me'

BTW
Funny guy in a gold uniform with a long ear side kick doesn't show up, do they?

CJW

JBONETATI

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Tom B. wrote:

<<
Sigh. It would have been nice to see what could have been done with
Crusade on such a budget and with such free reign...>>

Oh! You just gave me goose-bumps! What a concept! Let's hope that Showtime
loves what JMS does and wants to keep him happy and gainfully employed, shall
we?

Jan

Andrew Swallow

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>
>Jms at B5 wrote:
>>=20
>> It is, oddly enough, a post-apocalyptic series about *beginnings* rathe=
>r than
>> endings, about hope rather then despair. It is about the new world ris=
>ing out
>> of the ashes of the old world, what shape that world will take, and who=

> will
>> get to decide that shape.
>

How "Mad Max beyond Thunderdome" should have been done.

Andrew Swallow

kevin kenney

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Jul 21, 2001, 2:42:07 PM7/21/01
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After seeing how far beyond B5 Farscape and (sometimes) Andromeda go in
effects and storyline, it'll be interesting to see how far jms is
willing to go, although it doesn't look like Jeremiah will often be much
of an effects feast. (IMHO, I think jms tends to be rather
straight-laced even when letting loose - I hope to have that opinion
changed.)

Robert Denier

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"Jms at B5" <jms...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> It will air in prime-time, on the Showtime network, and we have a heck of
a lot
> more money to play with than on B5...it's going to be a huge show.

I was just thinking that Once Stargate finishes its run on Showtime and the
rest
of the DVDs are scheduled I'll have no reason to continue my showtime
subscription.

Its nice to be wrong sometimes..

-Robert

RJDiogenes

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Jul 21, 2001, 2:28:18 PM7/21/01
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>
>BTW
>Funny guy in a gold uniform with a long ear side kick doesn't show up, do
>they?
>

Episode 2: "Return of the Grups"

Joe Siegler

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Jul 22, 2001, 12:25:09 AM7/22/01
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Ah - dammit! I don't get Showtime. Might have to get a friend to tape
it.

joe

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j...@siegler.net

Rob Hayward

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In article <20010721011854...@ng-mr1.aol.com>, Jms at B5
<jms...@aol.com> writes

>Right around now in our timeline, a virus wipes out everyone on the planet over
>the age of puberty (figure around 12-13).
>
>It is now about 15 years later. Those who were once children have now grown up
>and are in their late 20s on down. For 15 years, they have been living on the
>scraps of the old world; now they must either continue the downward slide, or
>begin to rebuild the world, taking responsibility for themselves and the world
>and each other.
>
>It is, oddly enough, a post-apocalyptic series about *beginnings* rather than
>endings, about hope rather then despair. It is about the new world rising out
>of the ashes of the old world, what shape that world will take, and who will
>get to decide that shape.

Sounds a bit like that 1970's British tv show 'Survivors' which I
enjoyed immensely until I felt they progressed to far too fast and
miraculously had exactly the right skills they needed.

I can see that the world would fall apart, especially after 15 years,.
So much of what we do is based on what went before that if we lost that
knowledge we'd be right back to square one on the civilisation tree.

>
> jms

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Rob
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,
,
,
We got fat for the one

Keith Wood

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Jms at B5 wrote:

> Because this is pay cable, they've taken
> off the usual broadcast TV handcuffs and told me to take it to the wall
> creatively, no restrictions, so I plan to do just that.

I hope you don't mean that it's going to be raunchy. If that's what you
mean, have at it, but give us some warning.

There are those of us who aren't into gutter language or all the
just-short-of-x-rated garbage that keeps being put on cable.

Pelzo63

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kw wrote:

>There are those of us who aren't into gutter language or all the
>just-short-of-x-rated garbage that keeps being put on cable.

i highly doubt this is what jms means, my expectation is more along the lines
of "realistic speech", as much as i myself dislike to swear, i also find it
annoying to watch a movie from the 50's about sailors who don't say a word
worse than "golly gee", or to hear a hardened military veteran who has died and
come back to life say "Fraggin!!", besides, ivanova's naked in C&C dream scene
woula been so much better, <g>

...Chris

SGBruckner

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Joe,
Will Jeremiah be filmed in Vancouver or LA?

Sandy
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The Zocalo Today
http://www.isnnews.net


Pål Are Nordal

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Jul 23, 2001, 7:38:25 AM7/23/01
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SGBruckner wrote:
>
> Joe,
> Will Jeremiah be filmed in Vancouver or LA?

I'm quite positive that he's said Vancouver, and noted it was possible
the crew would rotate from one Jeremiah to Rangers and back.

Keith Wood

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Actually, I've known several "hardened military veterans" who prefer to
be eloquent rather than simply profane.

Too many scripts seem to have been written by 8th graders who are doing
their best to out-four-letter each other.

Iain Rae

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Keith Wood wrote:

I don't know about the USN but the RN particularly in the 30's 40's and
50's had a language all of it's own to the extent that I suspect that
subtitles would have to be used. Things are not so bad now but read any
of the books on the Falklands written by the journalists who went there
and you'll find comments about some of the terms used.


Mac Breck

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and the Talia/Ivanova scene
and the Lyta/Byron scene

<g>

My bad.

Mac Breck
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"To Live and Die in Starlight"
pilot movie for the new series
"Babylon 5 - The Legend of the Rangers"
January 2, 2002 on The Sci-Fi Channel.
http://www.scifi.com/b5rangers/

ArsenicMan

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"Pål Are Nordal" <a_b...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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> SGBruckner wrote:
> >
> > Joe,
> > Will Jeremiah be filmed in Vancouver or LA?
>
> I'm quite positive that he's said Vancouver, and noted it was possible
> the crew would rotate from one Jeremiah to Rangers and back.

So that means that Jeremiah is going to be under Legendary Films as well,
then?

Oh, and here's where my mind does its usual wandering: If B5 was by
Babylonian Productions (except TG), and LotR is by Legendary Films, who
would Crusade have been by if it got its own production company?

Another wandering: B5 & Crusade had the same production designer & effects
people, C S2 would have had the same costume designer, and (I think) they
had the same director of photography and makeup people. Why go with all new
people for LotR? (Well, makeup might be the same, I haven't seen any credits
anywhere for him/her for LotR. But the others are different.)

--
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"Sir, I exist!"
"However," replied the universe,
"The fact has not created in me
"A sense of obligation."
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Pål Are Nordal

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ArsenicMan wrote:
>
> So that means that Jeremiah is going to be under Legendary Films as well,
> then?

If the rotating happens, then I would think so. Although, Rangers would
have a lot slimmer budget and probably not use the full Jeremiah team.

> Oh, and here's where my mind does its usual wandering: If B5 was by
> Babylonian Productions (except TG), and LotR is by Legendary Films, who
> would Crusade have been by if it got its own production company?

Part of the reason jms choose Crusade over better paying jobs was to
keep Babylonian Productions in business.

> Another wandering: B5 & Crusade had the same production designer & effects
> people, C S2 would have had the same costume designer, and (I think) they
> had the same director of photography and makeup people. Why go with all new
> people for LotR?

Because Rangers is filmed in Canada, not in LA like B5 and Crusade.

Jms at B5

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>Will Jeremiah be filmed in Vancouver or LA?

Vancouver.

E. John Roth III

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Mac Breck wrote:

So you have to be a telepath to get sex on B5?


E. John Roth III

Pelzo63

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kw wrote:

>Actually, I've known several "hardened military veterans" who prefer to
>be eloquent rather than simply profane.

i wrote:

>>hardened military veteran who has died and
>> come back to life say "Fraggin!!

if you look carefully at what i wrote, i was referring to the common practice
of replacing realistic language and talk with "childsafe" words, in particular
my quoted words are roundabout referring to sheridan. and yes, there are
quite a few military people who don't swear, they were not the people i was
referring to, of course, i'd rather hear a person "stop short of swearing" than
have them use "childsafe language". by stopping short i mean all the times
sheridan says "that son of a...." and doesn't say the final word :-)

of course, what is a "Swear" word changes over time anyways.

...Chris

Mark Meyer

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In our last episode, Jms at B5 wrote:
> Right around now in our timeline, a virus wipes out everyone on the planet over
> the age of puberty (figure around 12-13).
>
> It is now about 15 years later. Those who were once children have now grown up
> and are in their late 20s on down. ...


As someone who, as a teenager, collected end-of-the-world novels (and still
has the collection), I find this brief outline Way Cool. I may have to
start paying for Showtime now.

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Keith Wood

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I was referring both to "stopping short" AND to "childsafe" language. A
lot of "hardened veterans" DO use "childsafe" language. One "hardened
vet" of my acquaintance managed to put his hand through a window that
wasn't as open as he thought, and his reflexive response was a loud "Aw,
nuts!" -- leading to my observation that "a man that eloquent MUST be
saved," a quote from the movie "Patton." ;)

ArsenicMan

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Well, there's definately several Delenn/Sheridan scenes that could be
interesting to watch, too...

Mac Breck

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<cough>

Sheridan/Blonde Nightwatch Babe
Sheridan/Delenn

ArsenicMan

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"Pål Are Nordal" <a_b...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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> ArsenicMan wrote:
>
> > So that means that Jeremiah is going to be under Legendary Films as
well,
> > then?
>
> If the rotating happens, then I would think so. Although, Rangers would
> have a lot slimmer budget and probably not use the full Jeremiah team.
>
> > Oh, and here's where my mind does its usual wandering: If B5 was by
> > Babylonian Productions (except TG), and LotR is by Legendary Films, who
> > would Crusade have been by if it got its own production company?
>
> Part of the reason jms choose Crusade over better paying jobs was to
> keep Babylonian Productions in business.

No, no, no, I meant what would the name have been? BP & LF are both
derivatives of the shows they were created for, so I'm wondering what
Crusade's company would've ben called.

> > Another wandering: B5 & Crusade had the same production designer &
effects
> > people, C S2 would have had the same costume designer, and (I think)
they
> > had the same director of photography and makeup people. Why go with all
new
> > people for LotR?
>
> Because Rangers is filmed in Canada, not in LA like B5 and Crusade.

So because of that you're going to scrap a proven team who's work was good,
and liked by both fans & JMS? I know that hiring out the effects was
probably a good idea, although I half-expected them to use Foundation. And
if you're dealing mostly in established makeups, then a new person can
probably handle it just fine. Again, same with the costume designer - from
the little in the trailer, it seems to be mostly tailored variations of the
basic Ranger uniform. But foisting off a bunch of sets onto a new person and
having to keep them in a style similar to what went before, would be tough
on that person. All IMHO, of course.

JBONETATI

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> So you have to be a telepath to get sex on B5?>>

::Snip various and sundry sex/nudity scenes we'd like to see::

What, doesn't anybody want to see what really happened between Garibaldi and
Dodger? The second time, particularly since his inhibitions may have been
lowered due to his drinking....

Or what Marcus got to listen to when he was standing guard duty on Mars while
Steven and #1 had dinner? Not to mention what they did when they met again on
the station?

Or for that matter the Steven and Cailyn scene?

Let's not forget Gideon and Lockley, shall we?

I think plenty of people get laid in this universe...

Jan
wondering if she should mention that she'd have enjoyed seeing Londo and
Adira...

Yu Kai-lin

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Hey Tammy, since my posts don't always seem to make it to the board, if
this doesn't appear in a day or so, could you pass it along for me?

Anyhow, regarding the Jeremiah announcement, it's nice to finally know
what you couldn't tell us. I was at Comic Con, and went over to the MGM
booth to see about some SG1 stuff. Imagine my surprise when I should see
a poster for Jeremiah. You guys should see the mock up poster they made
just to announce it. After all, they borrowed images from other shows
and films just so they could put the name of the show and that it's
created by JMS. In fact, they seemed really proud of being able to
announce that Joe was doing something for them, so that bodes well. And
I know who's eyes they used in the poster, and I'm willing to bet that
person won't be in the show. Joe, if you haven't seen it, ask Chris in
marketing to show you the poster, it's quite humorous, but maybe a bit
flattering as well. Anyhow, cool beans that the cat is now out of the
bag.


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Peace, Love and Rock & Roll,

Kailin

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Anonymous


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ArsenicMan

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"JBONETATI" <jbon...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010724104531...@ng-cg1.aol.com...

> <<>
> > So you have to be a telepath to get sex on B5?>>
>
> ::Snip various and sundry sex/nudity scenes we'd like to see::
>
> What, doesn't anybody want to see what really happened between Garibaldi
and
> Dodger? The second time, particularly since his inhibitions may have been
> lowered due to his drinking....

Not really, since Garibaldi tends to be violent or morose when drunk.

> Or what Marcus got to listen to when he was standing guard duty on Mars
while
> Steven and #1 had dinner? Not to mention what they did when they met
again on
> the station?

That could be interesting...

> Or for that matter the Steven and Cailyn scene?

When's that from?

> Let's not forget Gideon and Lockley, shall we?

Umm... didn't they just go out, not sleep together (yet)?

> I think plenty of people get laid in this universe...

Almost too many...

> Jan
> wondering if she should mention that she'd have enjoyed seeing Londo and
> Adira...

How about Londo and Daggair & Muriel?

JBONETATI

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Andrew, High Master Procrastinator wrote:
<<> Or for that matter the Steven and Cailyn scene?

When's that from?>>

I may have misselled her name? The singer from downbelow who hhe met when
walkabout.

<<> Let's not forget Gideon and Lockley, shall we?

Umm... didn't they just go out, not sleep together (yet)?>>

Well....last I saw they were taking off their clothes together and about to
share a real hot water shower. I'll bet they did more than wash each others
backs.

<,How about Londo and Daggair & Muriel?>>

I think I'll pass on that one.

Jan

Tammy Smith

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Jul 24, 2001, 11:31:12 AM7/24/01
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ArsenicMan, I think that in Canada you have to hire a certain amount of
Canadians to work on a project, so that's probably why JMS couldn't hire
the same people.

I could be wrong--could someone from Canada explain this? Isn't it
called "The Canadian Content Law" or something like that?

Tammy


Andrew Swallow

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Jul 24, 2001, 7:29:02 PM7/24/01
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In article <_Se77.34471$l%.10386740@typhoon2.gnilink.net>, "Mac Breck"
<macb...@access995.com> writes:

>>
>> So you have to be a telepath to get sex on B5?
>
><cough>
>
>Sheridan/Blonde Nightwatch Babe

She did not get any sex.

>Sheridan/Delenn
>
Also Sinclair and his girl friends.

Andrew Swallow


Andrew Swallow

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Jul 24, 2001, 7:29:02 PM7/24/01
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In article <3b5d91cb$0$12819$1dc6...@news.corecomm.net>, "ArsenicMan"
<Arseni...@hotmail.com> writes:

>
>> Let's not forget Gideon and Lockley, shall we?
>
>Umm... didn't they just go out, not sleep together (yet)?
>

The cut to the picture of the long thin spaceship entering
the hole in the space station had the same symbolic
meaning as a train entering a tunnel.

Andrew Swallow

Craig Powers

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Jul 24, 2001, 11:55:46 PM7/24/01
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ArsenicMan wrote:
>
> Another wandering: B5 & Crusade had the same production designer & effects
> people, C S2 would have had the same costume designer, and (I think) they
> had the same director of photography and makeup people. Why go with all new
> people for LotR? (Well, makeup might be the same, I haven't seen any credits
> anywhere for him/her for LotR. But the others are different.)

For effects, anyway, the reason would be that NDEI went under within
the last year or so. They don't still exist to re-use. I'd hope that
their raw materials will be available to the new effects house for
re-use and re-work, though.

Joseph DeMartino

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Jul 24, 2001, 9:25:22 PM7/24/01
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>>Sheridan/Blonde Nightwatch Babe

> She did not get any sex.

Her own fault. She didn't give Zach a chance! <g>

Joe


Joseph DeMartino

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Jul 24, 2001, 9:25:22 PM7/24/01
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>>Sheridan/Blonde Nightwatch Babe

> She did not get any sex.

Her own fault. She didn't give Zach a chance! <g>

Joe


Matthew Vincent

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Jul 25, 2001, 2:20:38 AM7/25/01
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On 20 Jul 2001 06:06:13 GMT, jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) wrote:

>It was previously announced that I was writing the pilot
>2-hour opener for a series entitled JEREMIAH.

Can you comment at all on the connection between the name Jeremiah and
the plot? (Feel free to just ignore this if you can't; I'm sure that
all will become apparent in due time, one way or another).

The plot sounds very interesting, and not a heck of a lot different
from the predicament in which we find ourselves in the real world - at
least, for someone with a sufficient grasp of the sociological
imagination to realise this and take responsibility for it.

Looks like it will be a great show.

Matthew


ArsenicMan

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"JBONETATI" <jbon...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Andrew, High Master Procrastinator wrote:
> <<> Or for that matter the Steven and Cailyn scene?
>
> When's that from?>>
>
> I may have misselled her name? The singer from downbelow who hhe met when
> walkabout.

Ah, her. Forgot about her.

> <<> Let's not forget Gideon and Lockley, shall we?
>
> Umm... didn't they just go out, not sleep together (yet)?>>
>
> Well....last I saw they were taking off their clothes together and about
to
> share a real hot water shower. I'll bet they did more than wash each
others
> backs.

Oh... umm... forgot about that...

> <,How about Londo and Daggair & Muriel?>>
>
> I think I'll pass on that one.

OK. I was just curious - I'd pass on any of his relations, myself.

--
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========================================

How could you possibly think that I'm part of Section 31?
<You turn around.>
<Cyanide hypospray sprays.>
Because I am?


ArsenicMan

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"JBONETATI" <jbon...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010724112413...@ng-cg1.aol.com...

> Andrew, High Master Procrastinator wrote:
> <<> Or for that matter the Steven and Cailyn scene?
>
> When's that from?>>
>
> I may have misselled her name? The singer from downbelow who hhe met when
> walkabout.

Ah, her. Forgot about her.

> <<> Let's not forget Gideon and Lockley, shall we?


>
> Umm... didn't they just go out, not sleep together (yet)?>>
>
> Well....last I saw they were taking off their clothes together and about
to
> share a real hot water shower. I'll bet they did more than wash each
others
> backs.

Oh... umm... forgot about that...

> <,How about Londo and Daggair & Muriel?>>


>
> I think I'll pass on that one.

OK. I was just curious - I'd pass on any of his relations, myself.

--


Andrew, High Master Procrastinator of the Universe
========================================

ArsenicMan

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"Andrew Swallow" <andrewm...@cs.com> wrote in message
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I *hate* symbolism. I just don't get it half the time - usually it has to
whack me over the head to understand it.

no one of consequence

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Matthew Vincent <war...@es.co.nz> wrote:

]On 20 Jul 2001 06:06:13 GMT, jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) wrote:
]
]>It was previously announced that I was writing the pilot
]>2-hour opener for a series entitled JEREMIAH.
]
]Can you comment at all on the connection between the name Jeremiah and
]the plot?

Well, Jeremiah was a bullfrog...

*runs like mad*


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Scott Lowery

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Jul 25, 2001, 11:15:03 PM7/25/01
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I only occasionally read the posts here, and I missed out on posting during B5's
run, but I'm interested in any on-line conversations about JMS's upcoming
Jeremiah. So my question is this: where will conversations about Jeremiah go
on? Here or on another newsgroup.

Sorry if this has been asked before....
SAL


Pål Are Nordal

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Jul 25, 2001, 11:39:27 PM7/25/01
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Scott Lowery wrote:
>
> I only occasionally read the posts here, and I missed out on posting during B5's
> run, but I'm interested in any on-line conversations about JMS's upcoming
> Jeremiah. So my question is this: where will conversations about Jeremiah go
> on? Here or on another newsgroup.

I don't think jms or any of this groups regulars will go anywhere else
to discuss the show, but I'd expect it to come up in rec.arts.sf.tv and
alt.tv.stargate-sg1 too. However, somewhere down the line, some fan of
the show who doesn't know the show is on topic here, or just thinks B5
sucks, will create a new group for it. Given jms' presence here, it'll
be interesting to see where the main fanbase ends up...

Mena Ryan

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Jul 26, 2001, 1:30:09 AM7/26/01
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> In article <_Se77.34471$l%.10386740@typhoon2.gnilink.net>, "Mac Breck"
> <macb...@access995.com> writes:
>
> >>
> >> So you have to be a telepath to get sex on B5?

I dunno what his opinion on Patricia Tallman is but I think that my
husband was more impressed that she wasn't wearing a bra...

E. John Roth III

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Jul 26, 2001, 2:10:24 AM7/26/01
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Mena Ryan wrote:

Remeber not all of B5 is at one G - there are places onboard were she can
get away with it. Sadly B5 wasn't on HBO or Showtime then we would have
gotten to see more:)

E. John Roth III

Lisa Coulter

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Jul 26, 2001, 6:57:55 PM7/26/01
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In article <20010720020613...@ng-cv1.aol.com>, Jms at B5 says...
>
>Well, the moratorium on information is over now that MGM has announce the info
>at San Diego Comic Con (which, sadly, I can't attend due to the press of work).

>
>It was previously announced that I was writing the pilot 2-hour opener for a
>series entitled JEREMIAH. What was not known, though speculated about, was the
>show going to series. We got the go ahead right around the end of the year,
>though I've had to be kinda quiet about it until now.
>

Wow! This is great! And we get Showtime too. Very worth it - Stargate is not
bad, and this will no doubt be first class!

Lisa Coulter


Shaman

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Jul 28, 2001, 5:07:22 AM7/28/01
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:18:45 GMT, wol...@bermuda.io.com (no one of consequence) wrote:

>Matthew Vincent <war...@es.co.nz> wrote:
>]On 20 Jul 2001 06:06:13 GMT, jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) wrote:
>]
>]>It was previously announced that I was writing the pilot
>]>2-hour opener for a series entitled JEREMIAH.
>]
>]Can you comment at all on the connection between the name Jeremiah and
>]the plot?
>
>Well, Jeremiah was a bullfrog...
>
>*runs like mad*

I'd suspect he heals post-apocalyptic wounds.
Then again, I know nothing about the biblical namesake.


Mena Ryan

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Tammy Smith <gka...@webtv.net> wrote in article
<5640-3B5...@storefull-136.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

Canadian content (IIRC) just refers to a law which requires a radio and
television stations to have a certain percentage of work done by Canadian
performers. It may be something different (labor law wise) that would
require them to hire a certain percentage of Canadian workers to produce
the show. In other words, Can-Con regulates what is broadcast and I have
no idea about how things are produced there. ;^)


Mena Ryan

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Mac Breck <macb...@access995.com> wrote in article
<016c01c1138a$fa9073f0$46d5c997@MACBRECK>...

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pelzo63" <pel...@aol.com>
snip
> > come back to life say "Fraggin!!", besides, ivanova's naked in C&C
dream
> scene
> > woula been so much better, <g>
> >
> > ...Chris
> >
>
> and the Talia/Ivanova scene
> and the Lyta/Byron scene
>
> <g>
>
> My bad.

Yes you are...
(It's becoming more and more apparent around here that "summer hormones"
truly exist in humans.) ;^)
BTW, Lexx sucks again. :^(

Mena Ryan

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Jul 30, 2001, 12:12:16 AM7/30/01
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E. John Roth III <jr...@oklahoma.net> wrote in article
<3B5FB44F...@oklahoma.net>...

Well, it's possible (even at 1 G) to run, do Tae-Bo, etc. braless, even
with an 'ample busom'.
(But a stomach bra would be nice, such is the peril of encroaching middle
age!)


E. John Roth III

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Jul 30, 2001, 2:35:57 AM7/30/01
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Mena Ryan wrote:

> >
> > Remeber not all of B5 is at one G - there are places onboard were she can
> > get away with it. Sadly B5 wasn't on HBO or Showtime then we would have
> > gotten to see more:)
> >
> > E. John Roth III
>
> Well, it's possible (even at 1 G) to run, do Tae-Bo, etc. braless, even
> with an 'ample busom'.
> (But a stomach bra would be nice, such is the peril of encroaching middle
> age!)

Stomach bra isn't that a corset?

E. John Roth III


Mena Ryan

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Jul 30, 2001, 11:25:36 PM7/30/01
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"E. John Roth III" wrote:
>
> Stomach bra isn't that a corset?

I was trying to avoid that word (and girdle)... ;^)

E. John Roth III

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Mena Ryan wrote:

Not big into having your internal organs deformed for fashion? And you
call yourself a woman? :)

E. John Roth III


Mena Ryan

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Jul 31, 2001, 12:28:12 PM7/31/01
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That would explain the "increase your penis size" spam that I got. ;^)

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