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tr0i...@my-deja.com

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Dec 14, 2000, 1:34:56 AM12/14/00
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Now, I haven't been posting here for that long, but I've noticed that
there seem to be a lot of new people posting here now that Sabbat War
has had a chance to do it's thing. Are these all new players or are
they mostly just people who don't post as often as say James Coupe or
John Whelan and the like (which would explain their "newness" to me)??

Peter Oh


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Khaleph Alendis

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Dec 14, 2000, 9:20:39 AM12/14/00
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In article <919pmh$44g$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,

tr0i...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Now, I haven't been posting here for that long, but I've noticed that
> there seem to be a lot of new people posting here now that Sabbat War
> has had a chance to do it's thing. Are these all new players or are
> they mostly just people who don't post as often as say James Coupe or
> John Whelan and the like (which would explain their "newness" to me)??

I'am not sure if you have seen post from me, but i post from time to
time since something like spring 1999.

I can not participate more because of a lack of time to do it and more
importantly, my writing of english is not has good has it must be to
clearly explain what i thing about many topic.

Bye,

Richard Labrecque,

AKA :
Khaleph Alendis, High Priest of Maizerets
VEKN Setite Prince of Beauport
http://www.oricom.ca/melkor/khaleph/

Duncan Campbell

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Dec 14, 2000, 10:26:26 AM12/14/00
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tr0i...@my-deja.com wrote:

I may, or may not, be one of the people you are referring to. I have been
playing Jyhad since summer '95, but have only ever been on this NG since
the release of Sabbat War because I was trying to find out what the
entirely-black-card I got was.
Due to my living in Aberdeen, and my status as a poorstudent, I've never
been to a tournament, but my group has been playing regularly since before
the name change.

Duncan Campbell
Aberdeen, Scotland


Pat Ricochet

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Dec 14, 2000, 11:09:37 AM12/14/00
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> Now, I haven't been posting here for that long, but I've noticed that
> there seem to be a lot of new people posting here now that Sabbat War
> has had a chance to do it's thing. Are these all new players or are
> they mostly just people who don't post as often as say James Coupe or
> John Whelan and the like (which would explain their "newness" to me)??

I'm an "old" player (not nearly as old as some, but), just new to the
group. Somewhat sadly, it was mostly me just trying out the newsreader on
my new mail program. Until now, I avoided the time suck that the newsgroup
can be (I'm not really good at keeping my mouth shut =), and got lots of
reports secondhand. So, I kind of knew what was going on and who was who,
even though I didn't technically read it myself.

--
Pat Ricochet
Soul Jar'rn Fool of Atlanta

vamp...@my-deja.com

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Dec 14, 2000, 12:13:47 PM12/14/00
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I am a new player - I started to play V:tES two months ago, but I
quickly became addicted to it, I was playing Magic for at least four
years till that. Magic sucks bigtime, V:tES is more difficult to play.

spin...@my-deja.com

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Dec 14, 2000, 1:36:11 PM12/14/00
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i'm gonna be here off and on henceforth. there are very experienced
players here, so it's good to hear your opinions. ditto lsj, the vamp
from the white wolf camp. i've been playing since the outset, but
sabbat war has definitely rekindled interest for me and my clan...
not afraid to post, upset, postulate, ridicule, joke, brainstorm or
apologize. love to read what y'all are writing, even when i don't post.
ran a central PA tourney about 3 years ago, got 18 players, state
college, chambersburg, slippery rock, easton, DC, michigan... it was
good. that was when a box of sabbat could be gotten cheap for prizes.
a beast-kills-it deck won, but there were some very interesting decks
there, such as a tremere and mages catch-and-kill/bleed, malk cel/obf
combat/bleed, and Tor/Gangr cel/pro. anarch overrun (even with zip/DBR)
didn't fare very well. return-to-innocence wasn't really a factor
either, though it did oust a couple players from prelim tables.
sorry if some of my earlier posts came on too strong. i don't play the
rpg, though i've read a fair amount of the basics. the CCG rules. i
still play mtg, but it never has been and never will be what V:tes
is...social. that's a kind of fun i like to have, more than "i'm a
cross from you, so killing you is the only important thing."
-spinney, spin, spintoy, gnome, john

In article <919pmh$44g$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
tr0i...@my-deja.com wrote:

I've noticed that
> there seem to be a lot of new people posting here now that Sabbat War
> has had a chance to do it's thing. Are these all new players or are
> they mostly just people who don't post as often as say James Coupe or
> John Whelan and the like (which would explain their "newness" to me)??
>
> Peter Oh

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theve...@my-deja.com

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Dec 14, 2000, 6:33:18 PM12/14/00
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In article <919pmh$44g$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
tr0i...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Now, I haven't been posting here for that long, but I've noticed that
> there seem to be a lot of new people posting here now that Sabbat War
> has had a chance to do it's thing. Are these all new players or are
> they mostly just people who don't post as often as say James Coupe or
> John Whelan and the like (which would explain their "newness" to me)??
>
I've been playing since '97 (relative newbie i suppose) and been
reading the newsgroup for about a year. i just don't post very often.
depends if i'm in the mood to get into a long protracted argument with
Derek. has he ever agreed with anyone? on anything?

i'm also in sydney so i don't get into all the trans-atlantic
swaggering that seems to go on.

Derek Ray

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Dec 14, 2000, 10:45:27 PM12/14/00
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On Thu, 14 Dec 2000 23:33:18 GMT, theve...@my-deja.com wrote:

>In article <919pmh$44g$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> tr0i...@my-deja.com wrote:
>> Now, I haven't been posting here for that long, but I've noticed that
>> there seem to be a lot of new people posting here now that Sabbat War
>> has had a chance to do it's thing. Are these all new players or are
>> they mostly just people who don't post as often as say James Coupe or
>> John Whelan and the like (which would explain their "newness" to me)??
>>
>I've been playing since '97 (relative newbie i suppose) and been
>reading the newsgroup for about a year. i just don't post very often.
>depends if i'm in the mood to get into a long protracted argument with
>Derek. has he ever agreed with anyone? on anything?

Certainly. On numerous occasions. I don't recall any great big
debate that I was alone on one side of, frankly, so there's a certain
amount of tacit agreement in the first place. I think the problem is
the same as for anyone else; when I agree with someone, I tend to say
"That works" or "Yep", and stop there... why repeat someone else? But
if I disagree, I make sure to produce reasons; just saying "I
disagree" and moving on is, well, kind of pointless. Reminds me of
the old "Is not!" "Is too!" thing you get into as kids. Anyway, so
what happens is, the vast majority of text is going to be related to a
disagreement of some kind; the same for most people... and so you form
opinions based on that majority. Accurate or not.

Besides, some things annoy me and will pop me right out of the chute.
Lack of literacy annoys me, as does failure to think or pay attention
when given the opportunity. For awhile, the Atlanta group had to put
up with a number of wack decks based on someone or other declaring
that "____ card sucks!" Clever local Methuselahs learned to spot
these and identify what card was being un-sucked the following
Tuesday. (Twisting the Knife still sucks. I can't make it go.
Someone else can try if they want, I said the magic words and all.)

Extreme dumbassitude (its initials might be JM) annoys me; so does
M:tCH style powergaming, where you argue things based on what your pet
deck is, that you'd like either to become or stay broken, ...as
opposed to a more objective, "what's best for the game" viewpoint. If
I think I'm seeing that, I get very snarly. As much as I enjoy
playing combat, for example, I don't like Disarm being a "send to
torpor" at inferior. I think it could be broken, and the lack of
anyone willing to play with 12 Disarms in a tournament deck is all
that's keeping that from happening. (well, and the shortage of people
with 12 Disarms.)

Not to mention that I like to debate and/or argue, just for the mental
exercise, and i'm not afraid to back up my own opinions. And frankly,
I have to agree (aw, shit, you'll think i'm just doing this because
you said that) with what Legbiter posted awhile back; overly civilized
discussion is, frankly, unsuitable. More ideas and more good come out
from heated back-and-forth exchange, as long as people refrain from
reducing themselves solely to "Jerk. Dummy. Nerd. Loser." (Pkunk!)
So I don't restrain myself from anything except unsupported
out-of-the-blue "YOU ILLITERATE DORKUS!" flames, and in rare
individual cases not even those. I also don't carry anything off of
USENET into reality; i've had plenty of beer with Methuselahs that I'm
sure I called a dumbass at some point or other. But it's words on a
screen, man... who cares? I surely don't.

-- Derek
Jack-Booted Thug of Atlanta

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge."
- C. Darwin, 1871

Peter D Bakija

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Dec 14, 2000, 11:30:41 PM12/14/00
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Well, the people who have been around for a while (at least a few years) and
still post fairly regularly that I can think of off the top of my head (my
apologies to those I leave out of this list...) are:

Me
Josh Duffin
James Hamblin
LSJ
James Coupe
Xian
Noal
Derek Ray
The Lasombra
Legbiter
Jasper Philips
Robert Goudie
Sorrow
Alex Harmon

I'm sure there are more folks who I am blanking out on who have been around for
a long while who still post fairly regularly, so again, apologies.

Peter D Bakija
PD...@aol.com
http://www.geocities.com/bakija6

"Why so many swords?"
"I must kill many."
-Kikuchiyo

Mark & Kathy ShaneWood

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Dec 15, 2000, 3:36:55 PM12/15/00
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Derek Ray <lor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1m3j3tos46qb6eql7...@4ax.com...

> On Thu, 14 Dec 2000 23:33:18 GMT, theve...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> >In article <919pmh$44g$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> > tr0i...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >I've been playing since '97 (relative newbie i suppose) and been
> >reading the newsgroup for about a year. i just don't post very often.
> >depends if i'm in the mood to get into a long protracted argument with
> >Derek. has he ever agreed with anyone? on anything?
>
> Certainly. On numerous occasions. I don't recall any great big
> debate that I was alone on one side of, frankly, so there's a certain
> amount of tacit agreement in the first place

I agree with Derek. :P

Mark Shanewood
"The lurkers support me in e-mail"


X_Ze...@email.msn.com

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Dec 15, 2000, 4:54:24 PM12/15/00
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I tend to post sporatically as I travel juat about every week for my
job. The good part about it is that I get to play with alot of
different groups, and the variations that crop up from group to
group. Sometimes I even find groups who are active on the net, but
are playing with some really "interesting" house rules. You can usually
tell when I spend a week in the office as I post almost every hour
during the day. 'Tis the Season for some Freezin'

Comments Welcome,
Norman S. Brown Jr.
XZealot
Archon of the Swamp

cantila

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Dec 15, 2000, 6:15:38 PM12/15/00
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I've played since Jyhad was released, but started posting here in
August this year so I could get answers on all the hundreds of
questions that ponders my mind ;)

Joe Helfrich

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Dec 17, 2000, 4:39:42 AM12/17/00
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In article <919pmh$44g$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, tr0i...@my-deja.com says...

> Now, I haven't been posting here for that long, but I've noticed that
> there seem to be a lot of new people posting here now that Sabbat War
> has had a chance to do it's thing. Are these all new players or are
> they mostly just people who don't post as often as say James Coupe or
> John Whelan and the like (which would explain their "newness" to me)??

In a related note.... since a fair number of people in this thread said they
were new to the game, and since we do want to be sure that we're drawing those
people here who are new to the game, is it time to consider and RFD to change
to rgt-c.vampire or vtes?

Joe, crazy enough to write the damn thing.
--

+------- Joe Helfrich j...@dim.com http://www.dimensional.com/~jbh --------+
| The manners of every nation are the standard of orthodoxy within itself. |
| But these standards being arbitrary, reasonable people in all allow free |
| toleration for the manners as for the religion of others. --T. Jefferson |
+------------------ ...not all those who wander are lost ------------------+

LSJ

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Dec 17, 2000, 7:24:16 AM12/17/00
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j...@dim.goawayspam.com wrote:
> In a related note.... since a fair number of people in this thread
> said they were new to the game, and since we do want to be sure that
> we're drawing those people here who are new to the game, is it time to
> consider and RFD to change to rgt-c.vampire or vtes?

Since this newsgroup is mentioned in the printed rulebook and on
the White Wolf page, changing the name of the group is not necessary.

--
LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc.
Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules:
http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

Joe Helfrich

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Dec 19, 2000, 8:38:39 PM12/19/00
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In article <91ib9f$k9k$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, vte...@white-wolf.com says...

> j...@dim.goawayspam.com wrote:
> > In a related note.... since a fair number of people in this thread
> > said they were new to the game, and since we do want to be sure that
> > we're drawing those people here who are new to the game, is it time to
> > consider and RFD to change to rgt-c.vampire or vtes?
>
> Since this newsgroup is mentioned in the printed rulebook and on
> the White Wolf page, changing the name of the group is not necessary.

Good enough, I guess.

Sorry. Been reading news.groups again and my kneejerk namespace meter is going
off. :)

Joe

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