Let's do a show right here!
Jacob W. Haller
the concertina and my stage name will be ZIP DRIVE CLICK OF DETH! At
the end of each show I will disassemble my concertina and feed it, piece
by piece, to an iguana! Then I will stuff paperclips into my sinuses
until they bleed! It will be great!
I will write songs about filth and large concrete buildings and
beautiful necrotizing butterflies and I will shout them out to the world
in a voice filled with angst and suffering and goldfish! I will force
my bandmates to perform these songs until they all want to stick my head
in a blender! My songs will employ the subjunctive!
I will die unexpectedly at the age of 32 as a result of my
hitherto-unknown allergy to glitter pens!
Who's with me?
-jwgh
--
"Medicine was so backwards in the early 1500s that the curative powers
of the leech had not yet been discovered."
- Joel Achenbach, _Why Things Are Volume II: The Big Picture_
David Bromage
put on a show" movies starring Mickey Rooney and Judy Garland.
Cheers
David
Jacob W. Haller
> When I saw the subject it made me think of those awful "Hey kids, let's
> put on a show" movies starring Mickey Rooney and Judy Garland.
TO RED LEADER: OBJECTIVE ONE IS COMPLETE. WILL PROCEDE WITH NEXT PHASE
OF 'OPERATION NOUGAT' IMMEDIATELY IF NOT SOONER.
END TRANSMISSION.
Jeremy Impson
> I think we should start an International USENET Punk Band! I'll play
> the concertina and my stage name will be ZIP DRIVE CLICK OF DETH! At
> the end of each show I will disassemble my concertina and feed it, piece
> by piece, to an iguana! Then I will stuff paperclips into my sinuses
> until they bleed! It will be great!
[...]
> I will die unexpectedly at the age of 32 as a result of my
> hitherto-unknown allergy to glitter pens!
>
> Who's with me?
Me and my nose flute are in, assuming I get to die tragically young as
well.
--Jeremy
--
Jeremy Impson
jdim...@acm.org
http://impson.tzo.com/~jdimpson
Paula
> Then I will stuff paperclips into my sinuses
> until they bleed!
NO! BLEEDING! SINUS! TALK! PLEASE!!!!!!!!
Sticking paper clips, or anything else that might open things up and
take the pressure off, up my sinuses sounds like a good idea, though,
actually.
--
Paula
"It all must have worked very well, because I have hardly ever
been killed by terrorists right up until the present day. "
--John Salt
John Burrage
>I think we should start an International USENET Punk Band! I'll play
>the concertina and my stage name will be ZIP DRIVE CLICK OF DETH! At
>the end of each show I will disassemble my concertina and feed it, piece
>by piece, to an iguana! Then I will stuff paperclips into my sinuses
>until they bleed! It will be great!
>
>I will write songs about filth and large concrete buildings and
>beautiful necrotizing butterflies and I will shout them out to the world
>in a voice filled with angst and suffering and goldfish! I will force
>my bandmates to perform these songs until they all want to stick my head
>in a blender! My songs will employ the subjunctive!
>
>I will die unexpectedly at the age of 32 as a result of my
>hitherto-unknown allergy to glitter pens!
>
>Who's with me?
I'M WITH YOU!!!!
BUT!!! The whole process must be fill-ummed with a super 8 camera!
Then, the fill-um must be placed in a cannister, and the cannister
placed in a field! Then I will drive over it in a tractor! IN THE
NUDE!!!!!!!
This must also be fill-ummed with a super 8 camera.
--
John Burrage http://members.iinet.net.au/~burrage/
"That makes one year to go before I'm headline news
in every newspaper in the world." - George Hammond,
1 July 2002.
CB
Jeremy Impson <jdim...@acm.org> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.44.03041...@monster.apt.net...
> On Sun, 13 Apr 2003, Jacob W. Haller wrote:
>
> > I think we should start an International USENET Punk Band! I'll play
> > the concertina and my stage name will be ZIP DRIVE CLICK OF DETH! At
> > the end of each show I will disassemble my concertina and feed it, piece
> > by piece, to an iguana! Then I will stuff paperclips into my sinuses
> > until they bleed! It will be great!
> [...]
> > I will die unexpectedly at the age of 32 as a result of my
> > hitherto-unknown allergy to glitter pens!
> >
> > Who's with me?
>
> Me and my nose flute are in, assuming I get to die tragically young as
> well.
I want in. But I want to be the one who contributes *nothing* to the sound
of the band. I'll outlive the more outrageous members of the band, and be
the one who gets dragged out and interviewed, and I'll develop my top ten
anecdotes about the glory days and stumble in and out of self-loathing and
alcoholism.
Actually, that last bit was my plan anyway, so being in a band doesn't
really affect anything.
So we have:
###Lineup###
Concertina, shouting: ZIP DRIVE CLICK OF DETH!
Nose flute: Jeremy Impson
Nothing: CB
.... It's not enough.
We need more members, and we need a name. Anyone?
Love,
CB
John D Salt
news:1ftdhf7.7baa0e1b8ttvtN%sp...@jwgh.org:
> I think we should start an International USENET Punk Band!
> I'll play the concertina and my stage name will be ZIP DRIVE
> CLICK OF DETH!
OK. My musical accomplishments are pretty much limited to the
triangle, though.
I think I would like my stage name to be Gokmop the
Irrefrangible.
I would like to be the one with the $10000-a-day chocklit habit,
and a reputation for punching reporters on the nose in interviews
when they ask bloody stupid questions, please.
I intend to die in a 'plane crash, so giving rise to several
dozen fruit-loop conspiracy theories about having been
assassinated by the Austrian secret service because of my
romantic involvement with Kylie Minogue.
All the best,
Gokmop the Irrefrangible.
Stacia
>sp...@jwgh.org (Jacob W. Haller) wrote:
>> I think we should start an International USENET Punk Band!
>> I'll play the concertina and my stage name will be ZIP DRIVE
>> CLICK OF DETH!
>I think I would like my stage name to be Gokmop the
>Irrefrangible.
>I would like to be the one with the $10000-a-day chocklit habit,
>and a reputation for punching reporters on the nose in interviews
>when they ask bloody stupid questions, please.
I would like to be the token chyk in the band, the one who plays
electric bass with some semblance of ability, but spends more time on her
outfits -- which include a fedora and black leather tie -- than on the
music. OH WAIT SORRY DID THAT ALREADY. Fukken high school. Okay, uh,
I'll be the pathetic balding roadie with a Black Flag t-shirt and Dockers.
* * *
Stacia * sta...@world.std.com * http://world.std.com/~stacia/
"The talking McNuggets were when I first realized that
advertisers are fucked in the head."
Zixia
>
> So we have:
>
> ###Lineup###
> Concertina, shouting: ZIP DRIVE CLICK OF DETH!
> Nose flute: Jeremy Impson
> Nothing: CB
>
> .... It's not enough.
I'll be the Theremin player, bringing an otherwise unseen amount of
energy and inaccuracy in to the playing of the instrument. All I'll need
is an area of 40 square feet, or so, such that other band members (and
the audience) aren't threatened by my musical interpretations, styled
upon the classic dancing of Bobby Gillespie. Oh, and I'll probably need a
Theremin.
> We need more members, and we need a name. Anyone?
Yeah, like anyone in this group can ever come up with a band name.
--
+----------------+
_o)| Verbing Weirds |(o_
/\\| Language |//\
_\_V|________________|V_/_
Glenn Knickerbocker
> Sticking paper clips, or anything else that might open things up and
> take the pressure off, up my sinuses sounds like a good idea, though,
> actually.
I briefly had good results from Ponaris Nasal Emollient. This is not
the most positive recommendation in the world, but I think it's a great
name, anyway. Hey, that reminds me! I still have an Ayr Herbal Inhaler
in my pocket!
Ź"Sniffffffffffffffffffffffffffff!"R
Rich Holmes
> Oh, and I'll probably need a Theremin.
<http://tinyurl.com/9idw>. You're welcome.
--
- Doctroid Doctroid Holmes <http://www.richholmes.net/doctroid/>
"We're waist deep in the Big Muddy
And the big fool says to push on." -- Pete Seeger
Rich Holmes
> I would like to be the token chyk in the band, the one who plays
> electric bass with some semblance of ability, but spends more time on her
> outfits -- which include a fedora and black leather tie -- than on the
> music. OH WAIT SORRY DID THAT ALREADY. Fukken high school.
SUBSCIRBE.
Andrew Pearson
>
> John D Salt <john...@NOSPAM.btclick.com> writes:
> >sp...@jwgh.org (Jacob W. Haller) wrote:
>
> >> I think we should start an International USENET Punk Band!
> >> I'll play the concertina and my stage name will be ZIP DRIVE
> >> CLICK OF DETH!
>
> >I think I would like my stage name to be Gokmop the
> >Irrefrangible.
>
>
> I would like to be the token chyk in the band, the one who plays
> electric bass with some semblance of ability, but spends more time on her
> outfits -- which include a fedora and black leather tie -- than on the
> music. OH WAIT SORRY DID THAT ALREADY. Fukken high school. Okay, uh,
> I'll be the pathetic balding roadie with a Black Flag t-shirt and Dockers.
Excellent thinking!
Now, does this band need a bumbling, homosexual manager to abuse its...
finances? Chalk-stripe suit, big desk, roving hands, that sort of thing
don't you know?
--
John Schmidt wrote: "You know what *this* is don't you? It's DOG PEE
CARPET WATER!!!"
Kevin S. Wilson
Apparently, the local co-op sells not one, but THREE different kinds
of miniature teapots designed to be used exlusively for pouring a warm
liquid herbal solution UP YOUR NOSE to "purify" and "cleanse" and
"celebrate" your sinuses.
--
Kevin S. Wilson
Tech Writer at a University Somewhere in Idaho
"You can safely ignore Kevin in order to
maximise life's experience." --A. Loon, in alt.religion.kibology
Chris Reuter
CB <nos...@mymailbox.please> wrote:
>Jeremy Impson <jdim...@acm.org> wrote in message
>news:Pine.LNX.4.44.03041...@monster.apt.net...
>> On Sun, 13 Apr 2003, Jacob W. Haller wrote:
>>
>> Me and my nose flute are in, assuming I get to die tragically young as
>> well.
>I want in. But I want to be the one who contributes *nothing* to the sound
>of the band. I'll outlive the more outrageous members of the band, and be
>the one who gets dragged out and interviewed, and I'll develop my top ten
>anecdotes about the glory days and stumble in and out of self-loathing and
>alcoholism.
You also need an ego the size of Siberia and a rock-solid certainty
that you are the band's sole source of creativity. With these, you'll
alienate bandmates, fans and music industry folk alike while
exercising any opportunity to increase tensions between the different
factions you've created. Anytime an opportunity for success arrives,
you'll be the one who kills it dead, either by berating the source
thereof or bailing at the last minute to buy more heroin.
Either that or you'll descend into a downward spiral of substance
abuse and eventually die in a murder-suicide, hopefully also involving
Fred Durst.
Take your pick. I'm available for the other option. Plus, I sing.
--Chris
--
Chris Reuter http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~cgreuter
"We're here to search and destroy and to polka!"
--The Polkaholics, _The Polkaholics Theme_
Pugg
>Apparently, the local co-op sells not one, but THREE different kinds
>of miniature teapots designed to be used exlusively for pouring a warm
>liquid herbal solution UP YOUR NOSE to "purify" and "cleanse" and
>"celebrate" your sinuses.
Yeah, wasn't it Dag or Karlo or one-a-them other guys with a
commie-sounding name that would occasionally post a picture of someone
demonstrating one of those?
As I recall, it looked...like...this!
http://www.popsmear.com/popculture/features/22/images/schoolsprotocol.jpg
pugg
--
talysman
as it so happens, "Anyone?" is the only word in the english language
(and many other languages) that hasn't been used in a band name yet,
so I suggest this is a GREAT band name!
except that if you are going to be punk rock, the band name has to
be violent and bloody. so the band should be "violent bloody anyone?"
I will be the avante garde guy that the band teamed up with for one
song on one album, then got pissed off at, so they bitch about him
in all the interviews.
Glenn Knickerbocker
> Apparently, the local co-op sells not one, but THREE different kinds
> of miniature teapots designed to be used exlusively for pouring a warm
> liquid herbal solution UP YOUR NOSE to "purify" and "cleanse" and
> "celebrate" your sinuses.
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Ear bulbs are also quite useful for this--but only if it's possible to
REACH your sinuses in the first place. Hence the aforementioned Nasal
Emollient, a mixture of variously slimy, slippery, and slightly caustic
oils designed to work its way AROUND the blockages of phlegm into all
the places that haven't seen fresh air in years. Unfortunately, the
only lasting success it had on me was in my right tear duct, which now
allows the high-pressure mucus issuing from my frontal sinus to ooze
continuously into my eye.
ŹR
Shiro Akaishi
sp...@jwgh.org:
> Who's with me?
I will be Window, the softspoken poet with the guitar of fire that
misses all the shows due to a bizarre need to "roam the concrete jungle
that is the city, in search of escape from the chains of roses that
embrace my heart"
Or something.
CHA NA NA NANNANANANAAAA >SKRONK<
"Angsty Death Love Post"
Performed by Window
Lyrics by ACROSS HQ
Recorded at Aziraphale Internet Terminal
--
/\ _____________ \ _()< -Quack, I am
(__\ |Shiro Akaishi| \_/ Png, the
) \. ------------- LL SigDuck!
/.
Zixia
>
> I still have an Ayr Herbal Inhaler in my pocket!
ROCK AND ROOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL, MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!
Jeremy Impson
> You also need an ego the size of Siberia and a rock-solid certainty
> that you are the band's sole source of creativity.
I already do both of these at work (ony subsitute 'creativity' with
'system design genious', but they're basically the same thing).
> With these, you'll alienate bandmates, fans and music industry folk
> alike while exercising any opportunity to increase tensions between the
> different factions you've created. Anytime an opportunity for success
> arrives, you'll be the one who kills it dead, either by berating the
> source thereof or bailing at the last minute to buy more heroin.
Wow, you know me so well? Have you ever been to Owego?
> Either that or you'll descend into a downward spiral of substance
> abuse and eventually die in a murder-suicide, hopefully also involving
> Fred Durst.
He's not my type.
Darla Vladschyk
>John D Salt <john...@NOSPAM.btclick.com> writes:
>>sp...@jwgh.org (Jacob W. Haller) wrote:
>
>>> I think we should start an International USENET Punk Band!
>>> I'll play the concertina and my stage name will be ZIP DRIVE
>>> CLICK OF DETH!
>
>>I think I would like my stage name to be Gokmop the
>>Irrefrangible.
>
>>I would like to be the one with the $10000-a-day chocklit habit,
>>and a reputation for punching reporters on the nose in interviews
>>when they ask bloody stupid questions, please.
>
> I would like to be the token chyk in the band, the one who plays
>electric bass with some semblance of ability, but spends more time on her
>outfits -- which include a fedora and black leather tie -- than on the
>music. OH WAIT SORRY DID THAT ALREADY. Fukken high school. Okay, uh,
>I'll be the pathetic balding roadie with a Black Flag t-shirt and Dockers.
My name is Atwola Curmbox, and every hair on my body is dreadlocked.
I am pretty much always in an opium fog, and though I play keyboards
for Interrobang Cartel, I am allatime listening to CDs of Bob Marley
I have fed into my on-stage headset by a techie I have paid off.
I cover as much of myself as I can in technicolour quasi-African
costumes, and I fry my bone-white Irish face and hands at the tanning
booths in an effort to look more ethnically interesting. My boyfriend
gets a rush from my tan lines. <glissando>
-=D=-
___________________________________________________
"Iraq will not be defeated. Iraq has now already
achieved victory - apart from some technicalities."
---Mohsen Khalil, Iraqi Ambassador to the Arab League::
___________________________________________________
"PREPARE TO FEEL THE PECK OF DEATH, FOOL!" ---jwgh
___________________________________________________
http://www.yougotta.com/Darla
___________________________________________________
John D Salt
news:3E9AF867...@bestweb.net:
[Snips]
> I briefly had good results from Ponaris Nasal Emollient.
It has been a source of perpetual regret to me that I have never
been in any position to vouch for the therapeutic effectiveness
of Blinbow's Eucalyptus and Stramonium Cigarettes.
All the best,
John.
leo sgouros
Zixia wrote:
> Quoth the Glenn Knickerbocker:
>
>>I still have an Ayr Herbal Inhaler in my pocket!
>
>
> ROCK AND ROOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL, MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!
>
I keep WPing this as "Thor Heyerdal" and wonders what got that parrot so
stuffed up after surviving such a long ride.
David DeLaney
>> I'll play the concertina and my stage name will be ZIP DRIVE CLICK OF DETH!
>
>OK. My musical accomplishments are pretty much limited to the
>triangle, though.
I, er, can sing.
But I'm easily distractable.
So I think I ought to fit right in, no?
Dave "I can also wince with the finest of them when someone else is off-key"
DeLaney
--
\/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
John Burrage
>I'll be the Theremin player, bringing an otherwise unseen amount of
>energy and inaccuracy in to the playing of the instrument. All I'll need
>is an area of 40 square feet, or so, such that other band members (and
>the audience) aren't threatened by my musical interpretations, styled
>upon the classic dancing of Bobby Gillespie. Oh, and I'll probably need a
>Theremin.
Oh boy, so many happy memories! Well, one at least ie watching Bobby
Gillespie quote unquote dance.
But ... if it's, ahem, interpretive dance you want, surely the late
(were he dead) great Bez out of the Happy Mondays would be a better
role model? Or Barry Mooncult out of Flowered Up? Yeah, jumping around
dressed as a flower, shaking the crap out of a Theremin. Good stuff.
Well, I'd pay to see it.
Jacob W. Haller
> But ... if it's, ahem, interpretive dance you want, surely the late
> (were he dead) great Bez out of the Happy Mondays would be a better
> role model? Or Barry Mooncult out of Flowered Up? Yeah, jumping around
> dressed as a flower, shaking the crap out of a Theremin. Good stuff.
> Well, I'd pay to see it.
Excellent. I was wondering who was going to be in the audience.
-ZDCOD
HarCo Industries
> John Burrage <jbur...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
>
> > But ... if it's, ahem, interpretive dance you want, surely the late
> > (were he dead) great Bez out of the Happy Mondays would be a better
> > role model? Or Barry Mooncult out of Flowered Up? Yeah, jumping around
> > dressed as a flower, shaking the crap out of a Theremin. Good stuff.
> > Well, I'd pay to see it.
>
> Excellent. I was wondering who was going to be in the audience.
>
I'll be in the audience. But I don't promise to pay attention.
--Terri
Jacob W. Haller
> sp...@jwgh.org (Jacob W. Haller) wrote in message
> news:<1ftg9l2.1uh4j2wgbi178N%sp...@jwgh.org>...
> >
> > Excellent. I was wondering who was going to be in the audience.
>
> I'll be in the audience. But I don't promise to pay attention.
>
> --Terri
Will you at least heave a bottle of beer at us every now and then?
-jwgh
Theresa Willis
wrote:
>HarCo Industries <tdwi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> sp...@jwgh.org (Jacob W. Haller) wrote in message
>> news:<1ftg9l2.1uh4j2wgbi178N%sp...@jwgh.org>...
>> >
>> > Excellent. I was wondering who was going to be in the audience.
>>
>> I'll be in the audience. But I don't promise to pay attention.
>>
>> --Terri
>
>Will you at least heave a bottle of beer at us every now and then?
>
>-jwgh
Without prompting, even.
--Terri
Chris Reuter
That's as good a reason as any.
--Chris
...just so long as he stops that infernal whining...
--
Chris Reuter http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~cgreuter
"Every breath you take, every move you make, every cake you bake."
--Sting, _Love is the Seventh Wave_
Karlo X
news:157m9vssa4l846al5...@4ax.com:
> Yeah, wasn't it Dag or Karlo or one-a-them other guys with a
> commie-sounding name that would occasionally post a picture of
> someone demonstrating one of those?
Only picture I ever posted was called cone.jpg.
k.
--
"In spite of everything, I still believe that people are
really good at heart." - Anne Frank
Sian Massey
<d...@gatekeeper.vic.com> writes
>John D Salt <john...@NOSPAM.btclick.com> wrote:
>>sp...@jwgh.org (Jacob W. Haller) wrote in
>>> I think we should start an International USENET Punk Band!
>>> I'll play the concertina and my stage name will be ZIP DRIVE CLICK OF DETH!
>>
>>OK. My musical accomplishments are pretty much limited to the
>>triangle, though.
>
>I, er, can sing.
>
>But I'm easily distractable.
>
>So I think I ought to fit right in, no?
>
>Dave "I can also wince with the finest of them when someone else is off-key"
> DeLaney
Ah, I was wondering if I could make a meaningful artistic contribution
to this band, but if you actually *need* an off-key singer I shall be
happy to oblige. Put me down for vocal disharmonies and rhythm method
guitar. And my stage name is Mary O'Net, to protest the fact that we
are puppets of the global music industry bosses.
Do we have a sinister, manipulative, Svengali-like manager yet?
--
Sian
Kevin S. Wilson
<mas...@altricm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>Ah, I was wondering if I could make a meaningful artistic contribution
>to this band, but if you actually *need* an off-key singer I shall be
>happy to oblige. Put me down for vocal disharmonies and rhythm method
>guitar. And my stage name is Mary O'Net, to protest the fact that we
>are puppets of the global music industry bosses.
>
>Do we have a sinister, manipulative, Svengali-like manager yet?
Oh, alright. But only if I get to carry a cricket bat.
David DeLaney
>>I, er, can sing.
>>
>>But I'm easily distractable.
>>
>>So I think I ought to fit right in, no?
>>
>>Dave "I can also wince with the finest of them when someone else is off-key"
>> DeLaney
>
>Ah, I was wondering if I could make a meaningful artistic contribution
>to this band, but if you actually *need* an off-key singer I shall be
>happy to oblige.
We need about three, actually. Correctly done we can ring the dissonances.
> Put me down for vocal disharmonies and rhythm method
>guitar. And my stage name is Mary O'Net, to protest the fact that we
>are puppets of the global music industry bosses.
Strings, or cables?
>Do we have a sinister, manipulative, Svengali-like manager yet?
Why yes we do - Andrew Pearson has graciouslessly agreed to overfill that bill.
Dave "of course if one manager is good, four must be better" DeLaney
CB
Kevin S. Wilson <res...@spro.net> wrote in message
news:5tcbavg3uj63lu9bt...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:25:58 +0100, Sian Massey
> <mas...@altricm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >Ah, I was wondering if I could make a meaningful artistic contribution
> >to this band, but if you actually *need* an off-key singer I shall be
> >happy to oblige. Put me down for vocal disharmonies and rhythm method
> >guitar. And my stage name is Mary O'Net, to protest the fact that we
> >are puppets of the global music industry bosses.
> >
> >Do we have a sinister, manipulative, Svengali-like manager yet?
>
> Oh, alright. But only if I get to carry a cricket bat.
I don't think our appeal could *get* much more selective...
Love,
CB
Kevin S. Wilson
wrote:
Don't worry about the fact that the Boston gig was canceled. Boston
isn't a big college town.
Steve Christensen
>Do we have a sinister, manipulative, Svengali-like manager yet?
Is it wrong that I pronounce that word like Gomer Pyle:
"SvengoooOOOoooooleeee!"
-Steve
--
Your relevant points have no place in my argument! AWAY! -- Ben Allard, a.r.k.
Ben Allard
> In article <UVXZhdhm...@altricm.demon.co.uk>, Sian Massey wrote:
>>Do we have a sinister, manipulative, Svengali-like manager yet?
>
> Is it wrong that I pronounce that word like Gomer Pyle:
> "SvengoooOOOoooooleeee!"
What is your major malfunction, numnuts?
--ben
leo sgouros
Gen. Beringer: Mr. McKittrick, after very careful consideration, sir,
I've come to the conclusion that your new defense system sucks.
Mr. McKittrick: I don't have to take that, you pig-eyed sack a sh**!
Gen. Beringer: Oh, I was hoping for something a little better than that
from you, a man of your education.
Daniel Buettner
>> Is it wrong that I pronounce that word like Gomer Pyle:
>> "SvengoooOOOoooooleeee!"
>
> What is your major malfunction, numnuts?
Are you allowed to eat jelly donuts?
--
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"Daniel Buettner" line 4 of 4 --100%--
Kevin S. Wilson
wrote:
>Ben Allard <benjami...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> stnc...@xmission.com (Steve Christensen) wrote:
>
>>> Is it wrong that I pronounce that word like Gomer Pyle:
>>> "SvengoooOOOoooooleeee!"
>>
>> What is your major malfunction, numnuts?
>
>Are you allowed to eat jelly donuts?
John F. Kennedy did this better than you, in Berlin.
circadian rhyme
Theresa Willis <tdwi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 15 Apr 2003 16:04:13 -0400, sp...@jwgh.org (Jacob W. Haller)
>wrote:
>>HarCo Industries <tdwi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> sp...@jwgh.org (Jacob W. Haller) wrote in message
>>> news:<1ftg9l2.1uh4j2wgbi178N%sp...@jwgh.org>...
>>> > Excellent. I was wondering who was going to be in the audience.
>>> I'll be in the audience. But I don't promise to pay attention.
Will it be full? Will it be GOOD beer?
rone
--
"Alan Alda's all we are."
- Kurt Cobain
HarCo Industries
Now you are just being silly. We all know there is no such thing as GOOD beer.
Go troll someone else, bub!
--Terri
circadian rhyme
HarCo Industries <tdwi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Now you are just being silly. We all know there is no such thing as GOOD beer.
For your INforMAtion, missy, *i* and several of my COworkers will be
TOURing the MOST eXALted Anchor Brewery on Thursday. We shall depart
just after lunch and we shall return to work GOOD and iNEbriated.
If you're LUCKY, you just might get some lovely Anchor Steam beer in
your podunk, deprived location.
HarCo Industries
Maybe Harlan would drink it.
Or maybe the horses. I think the Arabian might be some sort of lush.
I could trade you a bag of horse manure for the beer, but wouldn't
want you to think I was _that_ easy to be taken advantage of.
circadian rhyme
HarCo Industries <tdwi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>I could trade you a bag of horse manure for the beer,
Actually, the wife just traded an armload of spearmint for rabbit
manure, so i think our crap needs are currently met.
>but wouldn't want you to think I was _that_ easy to be taken advantage of.
HA HA HA. Suuuure you wouldn't.
revjack
: "circadian rhyme" <^#*&$@ennui.org> wrote in message news:<rone.b8l0e8$2ijp$1...@ennui.org>...
Girl, you are cruisin'.
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___________________
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Joseph Michael Bay
>In article <bc8b499f.03042...@posting.google.com>,
>HarCo Industries <tdwi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>I could trade you a bag of horse manure for the beer,
>Actually, the wife just traded an armload of spearmint for rabbit
>manure, so i think our crap needs are currently met.
What else can you get for doots? I've got lots of mint.
Anybody in the Bay area need doots?
--
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www.stanford.edu/~jmbay/ LICK HERE
The heat and light of the sun are caused (you may be one of the lucky 25!)
by nuclear reactions between estrogen, estrogen, estrogen, and estrogen.
Theresa Willis
>HarCo Industries <tdwi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>: "circadian rhyme" <^#*&$@ennui.org> wrote in message news:<rone.b8l0e8$2ijp$1...@ennui.org>...
>:> In article <5k5p9voto2bjtvkbq...@4ax.com>,
>:> Theresa Willis <tdwi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>:> >On Tue, 15 Apr 2003 16:04:13 -0400, sp...@jwgh.org (Jacob W. Haller)
>:> >wrote:
>:> >>HarCo Industries <tdwi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>:> >>> sp...@jwgh.org (Jacob W. Haller) wrote in message
>:> >>> news:<1ftg9l2.1uh4j2wgbi178N%sp...@jwgh.org>...
>:> >>> > Excellent. I was wondering who was going to be in the audience.
>:> >>> I'll be in the audience. But I don't promise to pay attention.
>:> >>Will you at least heave a bottle of beer at us every now and then?
>:> >Without prompting, even.
>:>
>:> Will it be full? Will it be GOOD beer?
>:>
>:> rone
>
>: Now you are just being silly. We all know there is no such thing as GOOD beer.
>
>: Go troll someone else, bub!
>
>Girl, you are cruisin'.
I'm sorry, I just think beer smells like the bottom of a garbage can.
And not a nice, clean garbage can either.
Now, cheap red wine, on the other hand... THAT I will drink. Oh, yes.
Theresa Willis
wrote:
>In article <bc8b499f.03042...@posting.google.com>,
>HarCo Industries <tdwi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>I could trade you a bag of horse manure for the beer,
>
>Actually, the wife just traded an armload of spearmint for rabbit
>manure, so i think our crap needs are currently met.
Well, meeting crap needs IS Job One.
>>but wouldn't want you to think I was _that_ easy to be taken advantage of.
>
>HA HA HA. Suuuure you wouldn't.
>
>rone
I'm just saying, that if I wanted to drink something that tasted like
horse piss, well, geez, I could do that for free. Yuck-o.
Ben Allard
> I'm just saying, that if I wanted to drink something that tasted like
> horse piss, well, geez, I could do that for free. Yuck-o.
PHWOAR! I'm not saying anything, Terri, I'm just saying I think you could
maybe find a more appropriate forum for your mail-order video spam.
Y'know. Since kids read this chat board and all.
--ben
Theresa Willis
wrote:
OK, there, bucko -- just so you know: You ain't ever gonna see my tool
belt, either.
And I almost bought one today, too.
circadian rhyme
Theresa Willis <tdwi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>I'm just saying, that if I wanted to drink something that tasted like
>horse piss, well, geez, I could do that for free. Yuck-o.
Many an evil clown will try to pass off horse piss as beer, but true
beer is a delight of the senses. Or chewy. If you think Guinness
smells like horse piss, i think Harlan will think you are crazy.
revjack
So, big dumb guys with beer breath make you extra super
hawt? Or, wait, maybe I'm reading that wrong.
: Now, cheap red wine, on the other hand... THAT I will drink. Oh, yes.
Like, $9 cheap? Or, like, screw-top cheap? Flintstone
glasses? Or, *shudder* no glasses at all?
--
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Glenn Knickerbocker
> I'm sorry, I just think beer smells like the bottom of a garbage can.
I agreed completely until a couple years after college when I was turned
on to good English and German beers. It's true of many but not all
lagers, and of no ales I recall noticing except for that horrible
Fischer bitter I tried once because I didn't read the label and see that
it was FROM FRANCE.
HEY JOE BAY! and other biochemical or even just zymurgical experts!
What is it in crappy beer that makes it smell all yucky and yeasty?
What's in good beer instead that doesn't? And what makes, say, Corona
smell yeasty but NOT yucky?
¬"once drank an entire 10-oz. bottle of Knickerbocker"R
Mike Dahmus
<No...@bestweb.net> wrote:
>Theresa Willis wrote:
>> I'm sorry, I just think beer smells like the bottom of a garbage can.
>
>I agreed completely until a couple years after college when I was turned
>on to good English and German beers.
A bad beer is better than a good German! Or something like that.
All yins beer snobs need to try drinking outside when it's 105 degrees
and sunny, as it is here for four months or so. Lite Beer is about all
you can stand. It's kinda like gatorade that gives you a slight buzz.
I heartily endorse that product and said buzz.
---
Mike Dahmus
m dah mus @ at @ io.com
John Schmidt
On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Glenn Knickerbocker wrote:
> Ź"once drank an entire 10-oz. bottle of Knickerbocker"R
For this (and other reasons) it sucks out loud to be stuck with
"Schmidt" for a surname. I suppose it could be worse, though. My
dad could've been Neale Skunky-Generic...
JS
Rich Holmes
> I agreed completely until a couple years after college when I was turned
> on to good English and German beers.
Or good beers, period. Of which USAsia has many. Of which Coors,
A-B, et al., have zero.
I have had yer typical American lager on, I think, four occasions in
my life. Of which the last and worst was the Coors Light they were
serving at a wedding, and it had the remarkable property of being
tasteless while at the same time tasting vile. I don't know how they
do that. If that'd been the first beer I'd ever tasted, I might never
have tried a second.
> It's true of many but not all
> lagers, and of no ales I recall noticing except for that horrible
> Fischer bitter I tried once because I didn't read the label and see that
> it was FROM FRANCE.
Obvious troll. There is no such thing as French beer.
> HEY JOE BAY! and other biochemical or even just zymurgical experts!
> What is it in crappy beer that makes it smell all yucky and yeasty?
Um... yeast? No, wait, that's in good beer too.
Generally what's in beer, mostly, is: water, yeast, malted grain
(usually barley), adjuncts, hops, and additives. Different yeast
varieties produce different flavors -- and of course, lagers use
different yeast varieties than ales. Ale yeast usually has a richer
flavor profile than lager yeast. Different grains likewise have their
influence. "Adjucts" is a kind word for "stuff that's cheaper than
malted grain", like rice, sugar, etc. Adjuncts actually can be used
to good effect in some beers, but are usually absent in good beers and
abundant in many crappy beers. Hops and additives probably don't
influence the yeasty aroma component you speak of as much as yeasts,
grains, and adjuncts.
> What's in good beer instead that doesn't?
MY FOOT.
But I have to speculate a high cursedness level to your theory. If it
were possible to distinguish good beers from bad by smell, one would
never have to taste bad beer. This would be a good thing, but too
good, I think, to be true.
--
- Doctroid Doctroid Holmes <http://www.richholmes.net/doctroid/>
"We're waist deep in the Big Muddy
And the big fool says to push on." -- Pete Seeger
revjack
: All yins beer snobs need to try drinking outside when it's
: 105 degrees and sunny, as it is here for four months or so.
: Lite Beer is about all you can stand. It's kinda like
: gatorade that gives you a slight buzz.
Plus sucking all the moisture out of your body even though
you think you're replenishing, until you stop thinking about
it because you are dead from dehydration.
--
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Ben Allard
> On 30 Apr 2003 02:04:22 GMT, Ben Allard <benjami...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>>Theresa Willis <tdwi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> I'm just saying, that if I wanted to drink something that tasted
>>> like horse piss, well, geez, I could do that for free. Yuck-o.
>>
>>PHWOAR! I'm not saying anything, Terri, I'm just saying I think you
>>could maybe find a more appropriate forum for your mail-order video
>>spam. Y'know. Since kids read this chat board and all.
>
> OK, there, bucko -- just so you know: You ain't ever gonna see my tool
> belt, either.
It was worth it, to defend beer.
--ben
Ben Allard
> Mike Dahmus <mheyhowyo...@io.com> wrote:
>
>: All yins beer snobs need to try drinking outside when it's
>: 105 degrees and sunny, as it is here for four months or so.
Also if you're driving to the just-across-the-border package store in New
Hampshire to fill up the back of a U-Haul so you can buy massive amounts
of beer w/o paying any tax. Not that I've ever done this, or know
somebody who has.
> Plus sucking all the moisture out of your body even though
> you think you're replenishing, until you stop thinking about
> it because you are dead from dehydration.
Oh, waa waa waa, I feel sick! I'm vomiting blood! I'm in a coma! I
have alcohol poisoning! Well here's a hint, BUCKO! If you're not dead
then you didn't ROCK OUT!
--ben
Glenn Knickerbocker
> Glenn Knickerbocker <No...@bestweb.net> writes:
> > on to good English and German beers.
> Or good beers, period. Of which USAsia has many.
NOT IN THOSE DAYS IT DIDN'T! Sam Adams was just barely finding its way
out of New England back then. Decent Bocks and Porters were found only
at regional breweries that made stinky local-fave lagers like Yuengling,
Shiner, and Genessee (Hmmm, I seem to have forgotten another stinky ale
there. RESCUE MY THROAT!). I doubt there was a single mass-produced
stout or bitter, and I don't recall any ambers besides Sam's, either ale
or lager--Coors hadn't even bought out Killian's yet.
> Of which Coors,
> A-B, et al., have zero.
See the last clause above. Not great, but definitely good enough.
ŹR
Mike Dahmus
Your brane is broked. There's LOTS of water in Lite Beer; that's what
makes it so Lite!
Jeremy Impson
> Theresa Willis <tdwi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > On 30 Apr 2003 02:04:22 GMT, Ben Allard <benjami...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>Theresa Willis <tdwi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >>> I'm just saying, that if I wanted to drink something that tasted
> >>> like horse piss, well, geez, I could do that for free. Yuck-o.
> >>
> >>PHWOAR! I'm not saying anything, Terri, I'm just saying I think you
> >>could maybe find a more appropriate forum for your mail-order video
> >>spam. Y'know. Since kids read this chat board and all.
> >
> > OK, there, bucko -- just so you know: You ain't ever gonna see my tool
> > belt, either.
>
> It was worth it, to defend beer.
Totally. Cause you know that Terri is just playing with our wan^Wminds,
whereas, beer will NEVER let us down.
No woman is worth as much as a beer.
--Jeremy
--
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jdim...@acm.org
http://impson.tzo.com/~jdimpson
Joseph Michael Bay
>Glenn Knickerbocker <No...@bestweb.net> writes:
>> HEY JOE BAY! and other biochemical or even just zymurgical experts!
>> What is it in crappy beer that makes it smell all yucky and yeasty?
>Um... yeast? No, wait, that's in good beer too.
>Generally what's in beer, mostly, is: water, yeast, malted grain
>(usually barley), adjuncts, hops, and additives. Different yeast
>varieties produce different flavors -- and of course, lagers use
>different yeast varieties than ales. Ale yeast usually has a richer
>flavor profile than lager yeast. Different grains likewise have their
>influence. "Adjucts" is a kind word for "stuff that's cheaper than
>malted grain", like rice, sugar, etc. Adjuncts actually can be used
>to good effect in some beers, but are usually absent in good beers and
>abundant in many crappy beers. Hops and additives probably don't
>influence the yeasty aroma component you speak of as much as yeasts,
>grains, and adjuncts.
An otherwise decent beer such as Heineken is almost always skunked,
which is what happens when UV light goes right through the stupid
green bottle that doesn't block UV light at all and the hop resins
get split into something and something else, some kind of mercaptan,
that smells skunk-like. Brown bottles, or cans, would stop this.
A lot of mass market beers use hydrogenated hop extracts or something
instead of real hops, so this doesn't happen to them. But they generally
suck because they have little in the way of actual taste.
My thinking is that since there's less sweetness and thus less
bitterness to balance it, what's left is the blandly unpleasant
tastes usually not noticable in good beer. But that's just a
conjecture.
>> What's in good beer instead that doesn't?
Hops, and lots of 'em.
Good beer is made as beer. Crappy beer is made as a carbonated
alcoholic beverage with some beer flavor in it. In good beer,
the fermentable sugars are important, whereas in crappy beer they
are a means to ethanol production.
Also, here are some recommendations:
Pilsner Urquell -- although this is packaged in green bottles,
and has real hops in it. So buy a closed
cardboard box of it. This is what a pils(e)ner
should taste like, I think. It's light but
has a lot of flavor. Also it's very different
on tap, and there's a lot of variation between
bars. Nice and malty, too. Mmm.
Lagunitas IPA -- or really any IPA. A lot, anyway. India Pale Ale
is a bit stronger and a lot hoppier than most styles,
and a good IPA is really good.
Lagunitas Pils -- brown bottles, which is good. Different from
Urquell; I think less malty and maybe more bitter?
Gordon Biersch -- For some reason everyone buys their Maerzen, which
is pretty good, but they make other stuff! Their
Pilsner is nice but their Golden Export Lager is
my favorite of their major products. Pilsener is
a type of lager.
Sierra Nevada Pale Ale -- Somehow this is the "generic good beer"
around here. Pretty good stuff. That off-white
layer on the bottom of the bottle is yeast,
because the beer is bottle-conditioned.
Sierra Nevada Bigfoot -- A barleywine style. It's like some kind
of beer concentrate. Damn good, but watch out
because it's like drinking pints of wine.
Coastal Fog -- this is the cheap Beverages & More stuff; for
some reason it's really good. But they have
quality control problems, and often you get
skunky or cardboardy or phenolic beer. They'll
exchange it for you though. All of these are
pretty good, I think, except when they're bad.
Red Hook ESB -- "extra special bitter" but not that bitter, really;
it's the name of the style. Red Hook make some good
stuff.
Brooklyn Brewery -- Nice. Lager and IPA are my faves but that's
true generally.
Dogfishhead 60 minute or 90 minute IPA -- If you can find this,
particularly on _cask_, stay at that bar and
call your friends to come over and cancel any
other plans.
I wouldn't bother too much with Sam Adams and Killian's and stuff
like that. They're a bit better than the really mass-market beers
but they're not as good as the smaller breweries, generally speaking,
and they cost about the same, so they're not a good value.
If there's a brewpub, or a bar that advertises cask-conditioned
beer/ale, ask the bartender about stuff. A lot of places have
samplers and will tell you about beers, which is also great.
Okay bye.
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Jeremy Impson
> Sierra Nevada Bigfoot -- A barleywine style. It's like some kind
> of beer concentrate. Damn good, but watch out
> because it's like drinking pints of wine.
Uhhhh... Watch out for what? I'm not really seeing a downside here.
Theresa Willis
wrote:
>In article <ctauav4s2qgld1u49...@4ax.com>,
>Theresa Willis <tdwi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>I'm just saying, that if I wanted to drink something that tasted like
>>horse piss, well, geez, I could do that for free. Yuck-o.
>
>Many an evil clown will try to pass off horse piss as beer, but true
>beer is a delight of the senses. Or chewy. If you think Guinness
>smells like horse piss, i think Harlan will think you are crazy.
>
Well, sure. A dog's nose is very sensitive and can easily tell the
difference between beer and horse piss.
As opposed to the human nose.
--Terri
Theresa Willis
OK, I'm gonna have to take the 5th on this one.
>
>: Now, cheap red wine, on the other hand... THAT I will drink. Oh, yes.
>
>Like, $9 cheap? Or, like, screw-top cheap? Flintstone
>glasses? Or, *shudder* no glasses at all?
$9! Gallon! Screw-top!
Why, I keep the jug beside me as I type. Isn't it obvious?
--Terri
Joseph Michael Bay
>On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Joseph Michael Bay wrote:
>> Sierra Nevada Bigfoot -- A barleywine style. It's like some kind
>> of beer concentrate. Damn good, but watch out
>> because it's like drinking pints of wine.
>Uhhhh... Watch out for what? I'm not really seeing a downside here.
Watch out because it turns out it's actually *not* a good
idea to hook up with that woman you're sitting with; she's
not really as attractive or witty as you think and her
boyfriend is more violent than he seems.
OR SO SOME HAVE SAID.
Also, from personal experience it's not unheard of to feel
a bit off the next day and think "I only had three or four
pints, why do I feel like the inside of a glove?" only to
remember "ah yes, Bigfoot".
Stacia
>Also, here are some recommendations:
>Pilsner Urquell -- although this is packaged in green bottles,
[snip list of beers that Joe Bay obviously made up]
[like we're gonna believe a beer named Urkel exists]
[I mean, really]
[Shuh!]
I really like Tsing Tao beer, which I think is the same as Tsing Tsao
beer, but I can't tell. One I got at a local Chinese restaurant and the
other I found at a liquor store. The labels looked the same. So it's
like my favorite beer but I don't know what it's called.
That's a metaphor for something, I just know it.
* * *
Stacia * sta...@world.std.com * http://world.std.com/~stacia/
"The impact made him see stars, atoms, and naked ladies
bathing in complex plumbing!"
David DeLaney
>Well, sure. A dog's nose is very sensitive and can easily tell the
>difference between beer and horse piss.
>
>As opposed to the human nose.
...So you're saying here, the Obvious Bag is ventriloquizing, ow, that
Harlan can't tell the difference between horse piss and a human nose?
Dave "is that why he never shares the crack?" DeLaney
--
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It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
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Jeremy Impson
> Jeremy Impson <jdim...@acm.org> writes:
>
> >On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Joseph Michael Bay wrote:
>
> >> Sierra Nevada Bigfoot -- A barleywine style. It's like some kind
> >> of beer concentrate. Damn good, but watch out
> >> because it's like drinking pints of wine.
>
> >Uhhhh... Watch out for what? I'm not really seeing a downside here.
>
>
> Watch out because it turns out it's actually *not* a good
> idea to hook up with that woman you're sitting with; she's
> not really as attractive or witty as you think and her
> boyfriend is more violent than he seems.
>
> OR SO SOME HAVE SAID.
>
> Also, from personal experience it's not unheard of to feel
> a bit off the next day and think "I only had three or four
> pints, why do I feel like the inside of a glove?" only to
> remember "ah yes, Bigfoot".
Still not seeing the downside.
Joe Manfre
>If there's a brewpub, or a bar that advertises cask-conditioned
>beer/ale, ask the bartender about stuff. A lot of places have
>samplers and will tell you about beers, which is also great.
Speaking of which, people who find themselves in Maryland ought to try
to get their hands on a DeGroen's, brewed at a brewpub near downtown
Baltimore. I like their Dunkles and Maerzen the best, although
intriguingly enough the Maerzen is one of their few varieties that
haven't won a Great American Beer Festival medal. Never got around to
trying the pils, since I'm not really big on lagers in general, but
I'd imagine it's a decent specimen.
http://www.degroens.com/ for info and pretty pictures.
JM
Joe Manfre
>beer/ale, ask the bartender about stuff. A lot of places have
>samplers and will tell you about beers, which is also great.
Speaking of which, people who find themselves in Maryland ought to try
to get their hands on a DeGroen's, brewed at a brewpub near downtown
Baltimore. I like their Dunkles and Maerzen the best, although
intriguingly enough the Maerzen is one of their few varieties that
haven't won a Great American Beer Festival medal. Never got around to
trying the pils, since I'm not really big on blonde lagers in general,
Glenn Knickerbocker
>An otherwise decent beer such as Heineken is almost always skunked,
>which is what happens when UV light goes right through the stupid
>green bottle that doesn't block UV light at all and the hop resins
>get split into something and something else, some kind of mercaptan,
>that smells skunk-like. Brown bottles, or cans, would stop this.
That's signficantly more subtle than the yucky, yeasty smell Stacia and I
are talking about, though. And all the cheap brown-bottle beers are the
worst offenders in yucky yeastiness.
>>> What's in good beer instead that doesn't?
>Hops, and lots of 'em.
Maybe it's as simple as that the alkalinity of the hops eliminates the
acidity that makes the yeast go all funky? I'm not sure that explains
why some OK beers (such as Corona or, appropriately, OK Beer) have a
strong yeasty smell without the sourness, though.
>Also, here are some recommendations:
What about Porters or stouts or even Schwarzbieren?! PLAWNK!
Also, Paulaner Hefe-Weizen. Neither of our local brewpubs seems to have
a clue about making a decent Hefe-Weizen. The Gilded Otter makes another
Weissbier that's pretty good, but their Hefe-Weizen was just disgusting.
<http://users.bestweb.net/~notr/arkville.html> Kibo Sez:
"it's more important to have clean under-bench areas than
to let people type giant question marks while seated." ŹR
Glenn Knickerbocker
>That's signficantly more subtle than the yucky, yeasty smell Stacia and I
>are talking about,
AAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
JOE BAY TALKED ABOUT MERCAPTANS AND MADE ME THINK TERRI WAS STACIA!
That is all.
circadian rhyme
It's all a lie! All that water is HEAVY water! LITE BEER GLOWS IN
THE DARK!
circadian rhyme
Glenn Knickerbocker <No...@bestweb.net> wrote:
>Also, Paulaner Hefe-Weizen. Neither of our local brewpubs seems to have
>a clue about making a decent Hefe-Weizen. The Gilded Otter makes another
>Weissbier that's pretty good, but their Hefe-Weizen was just disgusting.
WHEAT DOES NOT BELONG IN BEER. THAT IS ALL.
Well, unless it's Belgian.
circadian rhyme
Joseph Michael Bay <jm...@Stanford.EDU> wrote:
>Pilsner Urquell -- although this is packaged in green bottles,
> cardboard box of it. This is what a pils(e)ner
> should taste like, I think.
"Canonical." The word you're looking for is "canonical."
I have a 12-pack sittin' in the fridge right now.
You can get a brewery tour in English (or German) for 120 CZK, but if
you're cheap, pay half the price for the Czech tour. Hey, you're
gonna get drunk anyway!
>Lagunitas IPA -- or really any IPA. A lot, anyway. India Pale Ale
> is a bit stronger and a lot hoppier than most styles,
> and a good IPA is really good.
I find many IPAs over-hopped for my taste, but Lagunitas is some good
stuff.
>Lagunitas Pils -- brown bottles, which is good. Different from
> Urquell; I think less malty and maybe more bitter?
Their Pils is the only Pils-style beer made in the US i enjoy. I
tried the Sam Adams stuff... retchalicious. But then, all Sam Adams
beer is crap. The Boston Lager is barely drinkable. To quote
President Denis Leary:
"CRANBERRY NUT-CRUNCH FUCKIN' ALE!... CRANBERRIES AND BEER DO NOT GO
TOGETHER! ONE'S FOR BLADDER INFECTIONS, ONE'S FOR GETTING DRUNK!"
>Gordon Biersch -- For some reason everyone buys their Maerzen, which
> is pretty good, but they make other stuff! Their
> Pilsner is nice but their Golden Export Lager is
> my favorite of their major products. Pilsener is
> a type of lager.
You crazy Paloaltans... i find GB Pilsner crapular, as well as most of
their stuff. The Märzen is OK on tap, but pretty dull bottled. And
their food, good god, overpriced yuppie shit...
>Sierra Nevada Pale Ale -- Somehow this is the "generic good beer"
> around here. Pretty good stuff. That off-white
> layer on the bottom of the bottle is yeast,
> because the beer is bottle-conditioned.
I used to live on this stuff... now i only drink it on tap if nothing
else is available.
>Red Hook ESB -- "extra special bitter" but not that bitter, really;
> it's the name of the style. Red Hook make some good
> stuff.
I love their IPA... used to be labeled as Ballard Bitter, "YA SURE -
YA BETCHA".
If you like a good bitter, the Fault Line Brewery (in SF and
Sunnyvale) serves a nice one.
YOU DID NOT MENTION ANCHOR STEAM. YOU RAT FINK. The heir to the
Maytag fortune (yes, the washer machine people) bought the brewery and
revitalized it in the `70s. YES, SOMETHING GOOD CAME OUT OF THE `70S.
Anyone who says they hate beer should be served a Belgian raspberry
lambic. It cannot fail to impress. Unless you hate raspberries.
N. Gergen
>
>
> An otherwise decent beer such as Heineken is almost always skunked,
> which is what happens when UV light goes right through the stupid
> green bottle that doesn't block UV light at all and the hop resins
> get split into something and something else, some kind of mercaptan,
> that smells skunk-like. Brown bottles, or cans, would stop this.
>
> A lot of mass market beers use hydrogenated hop extracts or something
> instead o
--
"That was quite a jolt, Freak!"
N. Gergen
> Rich Holmes<rsholme...@mailbox.syr.edu> writes:
>
> >Glenn Knickerbocker <No...@bestweb.net> writes:
>
> >> HEY JOE BAY! and other biochemical or even just zymurgical experts!
> >> What is it in crappy beer that makes it smell all yucky and yeasty?
You rang? I went to brewing school... no, really!
My first guess aboot that yucky flavor would be dimethyl sulfide,
a byproduct of fermentation. It has been described as smelling of
cooked corn or cabbage. But somehow a lot of people are convinced
it has a "malty" flavor, so they use yeast strains and simple
variations in the fermentation process to "enhance" DMS levels
and get a free boost in "flavor".
If there's a LOT of DMS, the beer smells like an ashtray.
[...sneeps...]
> >Hops and additives probably don't influence the yeasty aroma component
> >you speak of as much as yeasts, grains, and adjuncts.
>
> An otherwise decent beer such as Heineken is almost always skunked,
> which is what happens when UV light goes right through the stupid
> green bottle that doesn't block UV light at all and the hop resins
> get split into something and something else, some kind of mercaptan,
> that smells skunk-like. Brown bottles, or cans, would stop this.
Methyl mercaptan, and they keep putting those beers in green bottles
because at this point a lot of people have come to confuse skunkiness
for hoppiness... no, really!
[...more unchecked nonsense...]
> Lagunitas IPA -- or really any IPA. A lot, anyway. India Pale Ale
> is a bit stronger and a lot hoppier than most styles,
> and a good IPA is really good.
I heartily endorse this product and/or beer style.
> Sierra Nevada Pale Ale -- Somehow this is the "generic good beer"
> around here. Pretty good stuff. That off-white
> layer on the bottom of the bottle is yeast,
> because the beer is bottle-conditioned.
I prefer Anchor's Liberty Ale because of their hopping process.
> Red Hook ESB -- "extra special bitter" but not that bitter, really;
> it's the name of the style. Red Hook make some good
> stuff.
Michael Jackson (Yes, THAT Michael Jackson) has described the ESB as
having a "Belgian" quality; it's faded somewhat recently, but still
very complex for a Yank beer.
> Brooklyn Brewery -- Nice. Lager and IPA are my faves but that's
> true generally.
Infected. But maybe the West Coast has a different contract brewer
than the East. Beware of beer brewed in Utica.
If you can, try and find a decent Kolsch style ale. The yeast
imparts a "granitic" flavor to the beer. Mmm, igneous!
"A Commitment to Quality"
N. Gergen
--
"Kyle, asses don't exist. Everyone knows that!" -SGC2C
N. Gergen
--
"Dear Mr. Valenti,
I like your cheeks.
My home is made of adobe."
N. Gergen
> >Also, here are some recommendations:
>
> What about Porters or stouts or even Schwarzbieren?! PLAWNK!
Yeah, but they're pretty consistent. Before I had my tastebuds
oversensitized by the QA class, I drank mostly porter. Now I look
for adventure and excitement in paler beers that have more dynamic
range. Some of the freakiest beers aren't much darker than Bud.
Like Berliner Weisse (sour) and Geueze Lambic (horsy).
Maybe Terri would like that last one...
"A Commitment to Quality"
N. Gergen
--
"So you uphold the social laws that turn against both age and youth,
And you uphold the sickening lies that turn our eyes from noble truth,
So you uphold the scheming forms of market forces, governing law,
And you uphold the lust for gold, the greed dividing both rich and poor"
N. Gergen
> N. Gergen <ger...@armory.com> wrote:
>
> > Joseph Michael Bay <jm...@Stanford.EDU> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > An otherwise decent beer such as Heineken is almost always skunked,
> > > which is what happens when UV light goes right through the stupid
> > > green bottle that doesn't block UV light at all and the hop resins
> > > get split into something and something else, some kind of mercaptan,
> > > that smells skunk-like. Brown bottles, or cans, would stop this.
> > >
> > > A lot of mass market beers use hydrogenated hop extracts or something
> > > instead o
Dur!
All this biologimical thinkin' is ruinin' my 1337 quotient.
"A Commitment to Quality"
N. Gergen
--
"There is no time / kill my headache / kill the sugar
kill the honeybees way off time / strip it down
take it to the house / kill the singer / There is no time
Make it alright / kill the sexplayer..." GVSB
Beable van Polasm
>
> In article <8661bv8hadrhc16it...@4ax.com>,
> Glenn Knickerbocker <No...@bestweb.net> wrote:
> >Also, Paulaner Hefe-Weizen. Neither of our local brewpubs seems to have
> >a clue about making a decent Hefe-Weizen. The Gilded Otter makes another
> >Weissbier that's pretty good, but their Hefe-Weizen was just disgusting.
>
> WHEAT DOES NOT BELONG IN BEER. THAT IS ALL.
I suppose you wouldn't drink beer made of rice either?
> Well, unless it's Belgian.
Well, unless it was Japanese. Mmmmm Kirin Ichiban! Mmmmmm Asahi Super
Dry! Mmmmm Kirin NamaBiru! Mmmmmmmm Sapporo Ichiban Capustar!
--
Why are General Tommy Franks and H.G. Nelson never seen in the
same place at the same time? -- Phil Doyle
http://beable.com
Stacia
>On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 23:21:27 +0000 (UTC), Joseph Michael Bay wrote:
>>An otherwise decent beer such as Heineken is almost always skunked,
>>which is what happens when UV light goes right through the stupid
>>green bottle that doesn't block UV light at all and the hop resins
>>get split into something and something else, some kind of mercaptan,
>>that smells skunk-like. Brown bottles, or cans, would stop this.
>That's signficantly more subtle than the yucky, yeasty smell Stacia and I
>are talking about, though. And all the cheap brown-bottle beers are the
>worst offenders in yucky yeastiness.
WOAH HEY YO HO I THINK YOU MEAN TERRI, MR MAN! I don't recall
mentioning nasty yeasty smells but maybe I just forgot? Doubtful, what
with me being such a damned genius and all.
* * *
Stacia * sta...@world.std.com * http://world.std.com/~stacia/
"I'm starting to understand what turns people from normal
to Manley Hubbell within one lifetime."
Glenn Knickerbocker
> Well, unless it was Japanese. Mmmmm Kirin Ichiban! Mmmmmm Asahi Super
> Dry! Mmmmm Kirin NamaBiru! Mmmmmmmm Sapporo Ichiban Capustar!
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. In USAia, those are all imported from CANADIA now!
Friggin' Molson's.
ŹR
Jeremy Impson
> In article <b8plpn$9pu$1...@news.stanford.edu>,
> Joseph Michael Bay <jm...@Stanford.EDU> wrote:
[...]
> >Lagunitas IPA -- or really any IPA. A lot, anyway. India Pale Ale
> > is a bit stronger and a lot hoppier than most styles,
> > and a good IPA is really good.
>
> I find many IPAs over-hopped for my taste, but Lagunitas is some good
> stuff.
I once eschewed the IPA's owing and/or due to the hoppiness. Then the
same thing that happened to me about coffee happened to me about hops.
NOW I LOURVE IT.
>> >Lagunitas Pils -- brown bottles, which is good. Different from
> > Urquell; I think less malty and maybe more bitter?
>
> Their Pils is the only Pils-style beer made in the US i enjoy. I
> tried the Sam Adams stuff... retchalicious. But then, all Sam Adams
> beer is crap. The Boston Lager is barely drinkable.
Hmmph. Out here in the sticks, Sam is the most popular not-Bud beer
around, at least if you're at a sports or college bar (which most of them
are). We take what we can get. That is, when we can't get Guiness.
> To quote President Denis Leary:
>
> "CRANBERRY NUT-CRUNCH FUCKIN' ALE!... CRANBERRIES AND BEER DO NOT GO
> TOGETHER! ONE'S FOR BLADDER INFECTIONS, ONE'S FOR GETTING DRUNK!"
Well, they added Calcium to Tums, and extra Vitamin D to milk. It sounds
like a good deal to me. Except that it tastes like crap.
> YOU DID NOT MENTION ANCHOR STEAM. YOU RAT FINK. The heir to the
> Maytag fortune (yes, the washer machine people) bought the brewery and
> revitalized it in the `70s. YES, SOMETHING GOOD CAME OUT OF THE `70S.
Yay Anchor Steam! We actually get that with semi-regularity here, one
meridian in from the East Coast.
> Anyone who says they hate beer should be served a Belgian raspberry
> lambic. It cannot fail to impress. Unless you hate raspberries.
Woah, major contradiction here. Cranberry beer bad, raspberry beer good?
Anyways,speaking of Belgians, anybody ever tried anything from Brewery
Ommegang (shouldn't an umlaut belong in there somewheres)?
http://www.ommegang.com/index.php
They're near Cooperstown, NY. I've never actually been there, but I lieks
their Ommegang Abbey Ale, which is slightly sweet, and their Hennepin,
which is not. They've got a Rare Vos Brabant ale, but I've never been
able to find it in stores.
They claim you can rack them, as they put a load (a shot? a pinch? dunno)
of yeast into the bottle just before corking (champaigne style corking).
I've put two bottles up, but I'm not sure how long to keep them.
As a SCIENCE experience, I will buy 10 of them, keep them all for 2
months, then open one a month for the rest of the year, and record my
feelings. About the beer.
Aaaand... if anyone wants an ARKPLE at or near the Southern Tier of NY, we
can make a stop at the Ale House (http://www.beerjoint.com/, ignore the
login prompt), then make our way to Cooperstown. Or we'll go wine tasting
along the Finger Lakes, being sure to stop at Wagner Winery's brewery
(http://www.wagnervineyards.com/wag2_brew.html).
Rich Holmes
> An otherwise decent beer such as Heineken is almost always skunked,
> which is what happens when UV light goes right through the stupid
> green bottle that doesn't block UV light at all and the hop resins
> get split into something and something else, some kind of mercaptan,
> that smells skunk-like. Brown bottles, or cans, would stop this.
Then there's Merchant du Vin which despite its name distributes a
number of very good English beers in the US -- in CLEAR bottles. The
rationale originally was that when they started up all beer looked
like piss and they wanted to show off the fact that these beers were
not even visually similar to Budweiser. Hey, guys, we've got that
figured out, you can switch to brown bottles now! If they ever
smarten up I'll start buying them again.
> I wouldn't bother too much with Sam Adams and Killian's and stuff
> like that. They're a bit better than the really mass-market beers
> but they're not as good as the smaller breweries, generally speaking,
> and they cost about the same, so they're not a good value.
On the other hand, they're generally safe and generally available.
When you walk into a bar and find Coors, Sam Adams, and Joe Schwartz's
Imaginary Pale Ale, and have no other information to go on, you
probably should give the Schwartz's a try, but if you go looking for a
case to bring to a party and the store has the same three choices, I'd
say the Sam Adams would be the way to go. And maybe a six of the
Schwartz's to find out if you should buy a case of that the next time.
Unless Ted Frank is bankrolling the beer run, of course; then you
should get twenty cases of each.
The Saranac label has some fine craft brews pretty widely distributed
in the northeast. "Black and Tan" in a bottle is a somewhat heretical
concept (forget about any layering, folks) but it's good. So's most
of the rest.
In Syracuse, the Middle Ages line varies. Syracuse Pale Ale and Beast
Bitter are good; I'm not fond of whatever hops they are using for
ImPaled Ale, their IPA. Druid Fluid is a very nice barley wine, and
Tripel Crown is very good -- the latter is a somewhat out-of-the-box
style, more or less what would have happened if the Belgian Tripel had
been developed in England. Proceed with caution; it doesn't seem
nearly as alcoholic as it is.
--
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"We're waist deep in the Big Muddy
And the big fool says to push on." -- Pete Seeger
Rich Holmes
> Anyways,speaking of Belgians, anybody ever tried anything from Brewery
> Ommegang (shouldn't an umlaut belong in there somewheres)?
>
> http://www.ommegang.com/index.php
>
> They're near Cooperstown, NY. I've never actually been there, but I lieks
> their Ommegang Abbey Ale, which is slightly sweet, and their Hennepin,
> which is not. They've got a Rare Vos Brabant ale, but I've never been
> able to find it in stores.
Oh yeah... I've enjoyed the Ommegang a lot, but the last four pack, or
was it the last two, didn't seem as good. It was very fizzy, for one
thing, and that was just wrong. Maybe it was just beyond its sell by
date or something.
I guess I've tried the Hennepin, probably, but I don't remember it. I
tried the Rare Vos and found it utterly unremarkable.
Yeah, I said four pack, and at the price of six bottles of many other
good ales. I used to think the Ommegang was worth it, but after the
last four I'm not so sure.
Andrew Pearson
>
> Sian Massey <mas...@altricm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
[...things...]
> >Do we have a sinister, manipulative, Svengali-like manager yet?
>
> Why yes we do - Andrew Pearson has graciouslessly agreed to overfill that bill.
Bill? How kind of you to remind me. There is a small matter of a
retainer to be paid. All this, errh, management-type stuff isn't cheap
you know. I have overheads.
Still, if you can come up with some unreasonable demands for your
dressing-rooms, I might be able to get you onto that smirking bun
website thing.
I would have mentioned it sooner, but I was a little bit tied up with a
lawsuit. We had a bit of bother in Charles Nelson Reilly's latest rock
video and now he's claiming that having his head permanently wedged into
a Roman centurion's helmet is going to damage his career. Don't see it's
a problem myself, and anyway he shouldn't have run so fast when the
guards were chasing him. I know I never do.
Do remember the fees now, won't you?
--
"A holographic image of Joe Manfre wearing cheese danishes on the side
of his head appears out of a jar of kosher dills as Dean opens his
refrigerator". Dean Lenort, Sun, 20 Apr 2003 15:03:43 GMT, ark.
circadian rhyme
Jeremy Impson <jdim...@acm.org> wrote:
>Woah, major contradiction here. Cranberry beer bad, raspberry beer good?
Yeah, the main problem is that American fruit beer is a pale mockery
of the gift from the Belgian gods that lambics are (i mean that almost
literally, since nobody seems to be able to make beer with wild yeast
in the manner lambics are outside of Belgium). I can't explain it any
better than that; you'll have to try it. TRUST ME.
Theresa Willis
wrote:
>Glenn Knickerbocker <No...@bestweb.net> writes:
>>On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 23:21:27 +0000 (UTC), Joseph Michael Bay wrote:
>
>>>An otherwise decent beer such as Heineken is almost always skunked,
>>>which is what happens when UV light goes right through the stupid
>>>green bottle that doesn't block UV light at all and the hop resins
>>>get split into something and something else, some kind of mercaptan,
>>>that smells skunk-like. Brown bottles, or cans, would stop this.
>
>>That's signficantly more subtle than the yucky, yeasty smell Stacia and I
>>are talking about, though. And all the cheap brown-bottle beers are the
>>worst offenders in yucky yeastiness.
>
> WOAH HEY YO HO I THINK YOU MEAN TERRI, MR MAN! I don't recall
>mentioning nasty yeasty smells but maybe I just forgot? Doubtful, what
>with me being such a damned genius and all.
So, I'm wondering, do I get to count all this as a troll?
Do I get to put a notch in the ol' tool belt, or what?
--Terri
Joseph Michael Bay
>On Thu, 1 May 2003, Joseph Michael Bay wrote:
>> Also, from personal experience it's not unheard of to feel
>> a bit off the next day and think "I only had three or four
>> pints, why do I feel like the inside of a glove?" only to
>> remember "ah yes, Bigfoot".
>Still not seeing the downside.
You haven't smelled my glove.
--
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www.stanford.edu/~jmbay/ NO POSTAGE NECESSARY
Freedom is merely privilege extended IF MAILED INTERNATIONALLY
Unless enjoyed by one and all.
Joseph Michael Bay
>On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 23:21:27 +0000 (UTC), Joseph Michael Bay wrote:
>>An otherwise decent beer such as Heineken is almost always skunked,
>>which is what happens when UV light goes right through the stupid
>>green bottle that doesn't block UV light at all and the hop resins
>>get split into something and something else, some kind of mercaptan,
>>that smells skunk-like. Brown bottles, or cans, would stop this.
>That's signficantly more subtle than the yucky, yeasty smell Stacia and I
>are talking about, though. And all the cheap brown-bottle beers are the
>worst offenders in yucky yeastiness.
Well, eww then. I don't know if I've experienced yucky
yeastiness in a fermented beverage, but I like non-yucky
yeastiness just fine.
>>>> What's in good beer instead that doesn't?
>>Hops, and lots of 'em.
>Maybe it's as simple as that the alkalinity of the hops eliminates the
>acidity that makes the yeast go all funky? I'm not sure that explains
>why some OK beers (such as Corona or, appropriately, OK Beer) have a
>strong yeasty smell without the sourness, though.
Dunno.
>>Also, here are some recommendations:
>What about Porters or stouts or even Schwarzbieren?! PLAWNK!
I mostly don't drink them, so I wouldn't want to comment. I
liked Guinness and then had some really stouty stouts which
were way better, but I don't remember much about them or about
events surrounding their consumption by me. Mistakes were
made, laws were broken, and so forth. Also it was in pubs in
Kent, mostly. I do believe Rogue's Shakespeare Stout is a
fine example of the type, though.
Brooklyn Brewery did an amazing porter called Manchester Star,
but like so many good things it only existed transiently.
>Also, Paulaner Hefe-Weizen. Neither of our local brewpubs seems to have
>a clue about making a decent Hefe-Weizen. The Gilded Otter makes another
>Weissbier that's pretty good, but their Hefe-Weizen was just disgusting.
So, that's really yeasty. I like it, but partly because
of the oddly tall glass and the lemon.
circadian rhyme
Theresa Willis <tdwi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>So, I'm wondering, do I get to count all this as a troll?
No, because you're a GRIL.
>Do I get to put a notch in the ol' tool belt, or what?
Guys get nervous when women talk about putting notches anywhere near
tools.
Joseph Michael Bay
>>Gordon Biersch -- For some reason everyone buys their Maerzen, which
>> is pretty good, but they make other stuff! Their
>> Pilsner is nice but their Golden Export Lager is
>> my favorite of their major products. Pilsener is
>> a type of lager.
>You crazy Paloaltans... i find GB Pilsner crapular, as well as most of
>their stuff. The M@rzen is OK on tap, but pretty dull bottled. And
>their food, good god, overpriced yuppie shit...
The Golden Export is good. I've only paid to eat at their place
once or twice, and it was pizza one time (decent for CA) and garlic
fries the other, because the Rose and Crown hires people who hate
to take food or drink orders.
>>Sierra Nevada Pale Ale -- Somehow this is the "generic good beer"
>> around here. Pretty good stuff. That off-white
>> layer on the bottom of the bottle is yeast,
>> because the beer is bottle-conditioned.
>I used to live on this stuff... now i only drink it on tap if nothing
>else is available.
Same here, but "nothing else is available" a lot of the time.
>>Red Hook ESB -- "extra special bitter" but not that bitter, really;
>> it's the name of the style. Red Hook make some good
>> stuff.
>I love their IPA... used to be labeled as Ballard Bitter, "YA SURE -
>YA BETCHA".
Still says that, no?
>If you like a good bitter, the Fault Line Brewery (in SF and
>Sunnyvale) serves a nice one.
>YOU DID NOT MENTION ANCHOR STEAM. YOU RAT FINK. The heir to the
>Maytag fortune (yes, the washer machine people) bought the brewery and
>revitalized it in the `70s. YES, SOMETHING GOOD CAME OUT OF THE `70S.
Yep. I didn't think Anchor Steam was available outside this
area. Anyway, that Maytag also makes Maytag Blue, possibly
the best cheese that's made in the US.
>Anyone who says they hate beer should be served a Belgian raspberry
>lambic. It cannot fail to impress. Unless you hate raspberries.
It's funny, since regular (no fruit) lambic is, um, an accquired taste.
But yes, the framboises eet ees nahs.
Joseph Michael Bay
>> Lagunitas IPA -- or really any IPA. A lot, anyway. India Pale Ale
>> is a bit stronger and a lot hoppier than most styles,
>> and a good IPA is really good.
>I heartily endorse this product and/or beer style.
>
>> Sierra Nevada Pale Ale -- Somehow this is the "generic good beer"
>> around here. Pretty good stuff. That off-white
>> layer on the bottom of the bottle is yeast,
>> because the beer is bottle-conditioned.
>I prefer Anchor's Liberty Ale because of their hopping process.
Me too; I forgotted about that one since they don't
have it at the places I've been lately. I think of it
as being more of an IPA. It's like a couple dozen IBUs
higher than SNPA, I believe. But yes, preferable, and
it's one of those beers that's even better on tap.
>> Brooklyn Brewery -- Nice. Lager and IPA are my faves but that's
>> true generally.
>Infected. But maybe the West Coast has a different contract brewer
>than the East. Beware of beer brewed in Utica.
Hm, I haven't had any of their stuff in quite a while. Only
when I'm on the East Coast. When did this happen?
>If you can, try and find a decent Kolsch style ale. The yeast
>imparts a "granitic" flavor to the beer. Mmm, igneous!
Any recommendations?