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Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer

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Jun 4, 2003, 7:46:39 PM6/4/03
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Anonymous wrote:

> Can someone post the total tally of broken links to and from FROG? This is
> what I've got so far:

https://www.noreply.org/meta/chain.1.html
https://www.noreply.org/meta/chain.2.html

Rebleep Admin

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Jun 4, 2003, 8:42:11 PM6/4/03
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Frog wrote:

> On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Anonymous
> <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>>Can someone post the total tally of broken links to and from FROG? This is
>>what I've got so far:
>>
>

> I am astonished to see something like this! One of the most reliable
> remailers is being isolated! What is wrong with you people?

Why is Frog remaining silent about this? I would like to hear his side on
this.

..
"The hottest places in Hell are reserved for those who
in time of great moral crises maintain their neutrality."
-Aleghieri Dante (1265 - 1321)

<quote appropriated from Dingo's site>


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Rebleep Admin

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Jun 4, 2003, 10:12:23 PM6/4/03
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Anonymous wrote:
> In article <mbadnVJesfK...@giganews.com>


> Rebleep Admin <reblee...@bleep.dynip.com> wrote:
>
>> Why is Frog remaining silent about this? I would like to hear his side on
>> this.
>

> We heard his side of it for the last few years with his floods and SK
> camouflage.
>
> We don't need to hear anymore. So, shut the fuck up.
>
> E-mail your frog and ask how to get on his "private" remailer. You can
> all hold your Frog Appreciation Night over there.

I would just like to know what Frog has to say about this header issue.


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Anonymous

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Jun 4, 2003, 11:12:50 PM6/4/03
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On 5 Jun 2003, Frog <FrogRe...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Anonymous
><Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>>Can someone post the total tally of broken links to and from FROG? This is
>>what I've got so far:

>I am astonished to see something like this! One of the most reliable
>remailers is being isolated! What is wrong with you people?

What is wrong with you? Are you retarded? Wake up and smell the floods, moron!

Frog

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Jun 4, 2003, 11:23:23 PM6/4/03
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On Wed, 04 Jun 2003, Rebleep Admin <reblee...@bleep.dynip.com>
wrote:

>I would just like to know what Frog has to say about this header issue.

Why don't you read the header? It is all written there.
Some Michael Gardner netcop flooded Frog's abuse address and tried to
have Frog disconnected.
Sassaman and Palfrader had a long history of picking on Frog and
decided to gang with the netcop agains the remop.
FYI, there was another episode 1 year ago where a guy from RoadRunner
was outed by Frog for posting thousands of "I hate niggers" messages.
On that occasion too, Sassaman sided against Frog.
Netcop, flooder, Sassaman would side with anyone if it is against
Frog. Is xenophobia Sassaman's only reason?

Frog

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Jun 4, 2003, 11:32:50 PM6/4/03
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On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Anonymous
<Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>Can someone post the total tally of broken links to and from FROG? This is
>what I've got so far:

Why don't you go directly to the source?
http://frogadmin.yi.org/MyCypSta1.txt
http://frogadmin.yi.org/MyCypSta2.txt
http://frogadmin.yi.org/MyMixSta2.txt

Or http://frogadmin.yi.org/SurvivalKit.txt
Or http://frogadmin.yi.org/MISC/RemailerChanges.html


Frog

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Jun 5, 2003, 12:00:26 AM6/5/03
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On Wed, 04 Jun 2003, Rebleep Admin <reblee...@bleep.dynip.com>
wrote:
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>Frog wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Anonymous
>> <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>>>Can someone post the total tally of broken links to and from FROG? This is
>>>what I've got so far:
>>>
>>
>> I am astonished to see something like this! One of the most reliable
>> remailers is being isolated! What is wrong with you people?
>
>Why is Frog remaining silent about this? I would like to hear his side on
>this.

Frog-Admin said he did not receive any answer from mgc.edu's abuse and
that he would write to the dean, the board and the university's
fraternities to have the flooder-netcop fired.
Apparently, he was travelling but should have been back one week ago.
He is probably busy, hearsay is that he is preparing a big party for
his 50th birthday.

Search google (Frog-Admin; dean, birthday)

Anonymous Poster

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Jun 5, 2003, 1:31:57 AM6/5/03
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Frog has put Michael's email addresses in his X-Remailer-Contact
header on all outgoing posts from Frog.

Pathetic. How do you expect your remailer network to gain acceptance
when you do stuff like this? With acts such as this it's pretty
obvious that a lot of remailers are run by teenagers.

On 5 Jun 2003 03:12:50 -0000 Anonymous <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote..

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Anonymous Poster

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Jun 5, 2003, 1:33:28 AM6/5/03
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fROG-aDMIN is a Napoleon wannabe.Always telling others what they should do,
what he thinks is good for them.Like for instance,he is telling people
here to use his newsserver.WHAT A JOKE!
A person who values his privacy will not connect to his newserver
with a ten-foot pole! So to speak.
Frog-Admin is the flooder as many suspected.
In the final analysis,he is the loser as many will avoid his remailer.
I had enough of his antics and his uncalled for attacks on Richard.

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An Metet

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Jun 5, 2003, 1:33:05 AM6/5/03
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On Wed, 04 Jun 2003, Rebleep Admin <reblee...@bleep.dynip.com>
wrote:

>Why is Frog remaining silent about this? I would like to hear his side on
>this.

Google is your friend.
Why should FA repost the same explanations every time some troll asks
the same questions?
After all, FA is famous for ignoring trolls, issuing blanket denials
against those who systematically post disinformation, and buschlooing
the worst offenders.

Nomen Nescio

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Jun 5, 2003, 1:50:13 AM6/5/03
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On 5 Jun 2003, Frog <FrogRe...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Anonymous
><Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>>Can someone post the total tally of broken links to and from FROG? This is
>>what I've got so far:
>>
>
>I am astonished to see something like this! One of the most reliable
>remailers is being isolated! What is wrong with you people?

Who is getting isolated?
A handful of 3rd rate remailers are following a Len Sassaman whose
cowardice on 09/11 remains a shame for all remops supporting free
speech.
Instead of 50 remailers (some of them unreliable), there are 40
remailers (most of them rock solid 100%)
It takes more than a kid playing with a box to make a remop.
Some operators run a remailer just the same they would run a SETI
client, or a crypto challenge, or a whole http server with only a
picture of their hamster: they miss not only the most basic technical
knowledge about remailing, but worse, the political awareness to do
it.
Bad fat got eliminated, welcome to the toilet.

Rebleep Admin

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Jun 5, 2003, 2:02:26 AM6/5/03
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Frog wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Jun 2003, Rebleep Admin <reblee...@bleep.dynip.com>
> wrote:
>
>>I would just like to know what Frog has to say about this header issue.
>
> Why don't you read the header? It is all written there.

OK, looked at the header again. Thanks for the reminder.

Until Frog finds the time to remove the private email address from that
header... Rebleep will block Frog's inbound and outbound traffic.

I still would like to know what Frog has to say about this header issue.


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Fritz Wuehler

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Jun 6, 2003, 2:14:50 PM6/6/03
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>>Can someone post the total tally of broken links to and from FROG? This
>>is what I've got so far:
>>
>
> I am astonished to see something like this! One of the most reliable
> remailers is being isolated! What is wrong with you people?

I agree that frog is reliable, but reliability is not the only
criterion for a good remailer.

Look at the headers of a post through frog (e.g. yours):

X-Remailer-Contact: http://80.65.224.85/ In case my abuse address is
unreachable: It is because I have been flooded by <m...@uiuc.edu>,
please contact <ab...@uiuc.edu>

That e-mail address belongs to someone who submitted abuse complaints
to frog-admin. FA does not like to deal with abuse and put the
complainant's e-mail address in his remailer headers as his abuse
address.

Whether the complaints were right or wrong, it's inexcusable of FA to
publish that e-mail address in this way. This sort of thing brings
down the reputation of all remops. That's why frog is being cut off
from the rest of the remailer system.

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