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Zhanataya

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Nov 19, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/19/98
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I haven't read a posting from Ellen "spamfree at last" in quite a
while. On vacation? Win the lottery? Ollie Ollie oxen free. Come
Out. Come out. Whereever you are.

Zhanataya

Don & Jeanne Chapman

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Nov 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/20/98
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Ollie, ollie, oxen free? Wow, talk about a flashback to earlier days!
Thanks.

BTW, some crabs insist it's "All the, all the, outs in free". I like your
version better.

--
Don Chapman <d...@bio-organics.com>
Bio/Organics Suppy Center
3200 Corte Malapaso, #107
Camarillo CA 93012
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TEkelly

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Nov 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/20/98
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"All the, all the, outs in free" makes sense, but I've always heard (and used)
"Ollie, ollie, oxen free!"

Paul Onstad

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TEkelly wrote:

> "All the, all the, outs in free" makes sense, but I've always heard (and used)
> "Ollie, ollie, oxen free!"

Has anyone ever heard of, "Anti-I-over" (circa 1946) ?

-Paul

B & J

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Nov 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/20/98
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Paul Onstad wrote:

I sure have. We used to play that game in our one room, grades 1-8 country school.
We threw a soft, rubber ball over the roof of the school building and yelled
"Anti-I-over" when it was thrown. If it failed to go over, we called out, "Pigs
tail!"

If the team on the other side caught the ball, it was their privilege to pelt around
the building and try to tag members of the opposing team with the ball by either
touching or throwing it at them, which made that person a member of the opposing
team.

John

greg presley

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Nov 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/20/98
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Maybe I grew up on another planet (pleasantville, perhaps) but ours was very formal

"All ye, All ye, Out in free". Please someone, let me know that I wasn't kidnapped
by aliens and given implanted memories! (It would be so hard on my
mom!) Greg

Wendy B G

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Nov 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/21/98
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>Maybe I grew up on another planet (pleasantville, perhaps) but ours was very
>formal
>
>"All ye, All ye, Out in free". Please someone, let me know that I wasn't
>kidnapped
>by aliens and given implanted memories! (It would be so hard on my
>mom!) Greg
>

Fascinating!
Many children's verses (such as "Ring around the rosie," which dates to the
Black Plague of 1349) are very old. It sounds like your version may be closer
to the original...long forgotten by adults, but corrupted by children who
didn't understand the meaning of the words into "Ollie, ollie oxen free."

You can hear a similar distortion when you hear kindergarteners reciting the
Pledge of Allegiance. If the Pledge was forgotten by adults, but passed on over
centuries by children's repetition, what would it turn into :)?
Wendy Goldberg

Paul Onstad

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B & J wrote:

Exactly! Those were the exact same rules we used and I'd even forgotten the "Pigs tail."
Getting pelted with the ball wasn't always appreciated but we had no casualties. I'd
guess the game went out of fashion due to a lack of ridged roofs and the fact you needed
a quite a few kids for the best game. Decoys could then come around one side and the
surreptitious ball holder on the other. Mass panic usually ensued. :))

I learned the game in Minnesota. I never could figure out what the name meant but that
didn't seem to matter.

-Paul


Don & Jeanne Chapman

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Nov 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/21/98
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We played this game in a small farm community school in Oregon in the late
1940's. The 2-room school had a long covered "play shed" with an ideal
simple roof. The "throwing" kids yelled what I took to be "Annie, Annie,
Over" and then threw the ball so it bounced (mandatory) over the roof. If
the group of kids on one side caught the ball on the fly, then they ran
around the side of the building and tried throw the ball to hit and
"capture" opponents. The interesting thing is that it was all done on the
honor system - if the ball was not caught on the fly, you had to throw it
back over. So, if you didn't hear anything for a while after throwing the
ball, you got nervous and looked to see if the opponents were coming around
the side after you!

And don't get me started on Red Rover.

--
Don Chapman <d...@bio-organics.com>
Bio/Organics Suppy Center
3200 Corte Malapaso, #107
Camarillo CA 93012
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Spunkie199

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Nov 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/21/98
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>And don't get me started on Red Rover.
>
>--

i remember some of it, but not enough to remember how the game goes.
''red rover, red rover, won't you come over''
please enlighten me don.

kathy lower south east MI
It is better to say ' I don't know ',
than to lie about it.
Ignas Bernstein


Spunkie199

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Nov 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/21/98
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>"Ollie, ollie, oxen free!"

what other kids games do we remember.
''kick the can'', marbles,
anyone remember the words we sang for hopscotch? or jump rope.
got a grandbaby growing up, and when older would llike to pass on some of these
childhood games.

beside, i can't work in the garden, and this would help pass the 'boring-
stuck-in-the-house-time. till next spring.

Wendy B G

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Nov 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/21/98
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>what other kids games do we remember.

This dates to the late 1950's.

In Brooklyn, the elementary school girls would play hand games at the same time
that they chanted a rhyme. Two girls would face each other, then pat each
other's hands in a particular pattern, which had to be learned. There were
several patterns, which were taught from girl to girl.

For example, the right hand would face up and the left hand down for the first
pat. Then the girl would clap, and reverse the orientation of the hands. Then
both hands would face upwards, then outwards, etc. The facing girl had to do
the reverse motion so they could pat each other's hands. Each pat was in time
to the chanted rhyme.

The rhymes were nonsense verses, chanted in a singsong voice. Here is one I
remember:

The spades go tulips together,
Twilight forever,
Bring back my love to me.
What is the meaning
Of all these flowers?
It is the meaning
The meaning of love from me to you.

I wonder who invented this game, and how old it is.
Wendy Goldberg


Spunkie199

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Nov 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/21/98
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>In Brooklyn, the elementary school girls would play hand games at the same
>time
>that they chanted a rhyme. Two girls would face each other, then pat each
>other's hands in a particular pattern, which had to be learned.

yes, i remember that one, but not the song that went with it.
used the clapping to teach my daughter co-ordination. better she got, the
more complicated the pattern.

we did the
3-6-9.
the goose drank wine,
monkey broke his back on the street car line.
the line broke,
monkey got choked,
and they all went to heaven in a little row boat.

also
my mommy told me if i was goody, etc.
anyone remember the words to that one?
i can rem. about half.

Elsie

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Nov 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/21/98
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That's the game I played growing up in Nebraska! I had to interrupt my
husband watching football to ask him what he yelled in Kansas, and it
was the same. We were both "Ollie, Ollie, oxen free", too. So if
"Ollie", etc. actually means "all ye", etc., what did the "Annie, Annie,
Over" really mean?! What you learn on this newsgroup is truly amazing!!!

Don & Jeanne Chapman wrote:
>
> We played this game in a small farm community school in Oregon in the late
> 1940's. The 2-room school had a long covered "play shed" with an ideal
> simple roof. The "throwing" kids yelled what I took to be "Annie, Annie,
> Over" and then threw the ball so it bounced (mandatory) over the roof. If
> the group of kids on one side caught the ball on the fly, then they ran
> around the side of the building and tried throw the ball to hit and
> "capture" opponents. The interesting thing is that it was all done on the
> honor system - if the ball was not caught on the fly, you had to throw it
> back over. So, if you didn't hear anything for a while after throwing the
> ball, you got nervous and looked to see if the opponents were coming around
> the side after you!
>

> And don't get me started on Red Rover.
>
> --

> Don Chapman <d...@bio-organics.com>
> Bio/Organics Suppy Center
> 3200 Corte Malapaso, #107
> Camarillo CA 93012
> Info & Orders <http://www.bio-organics.com>

--
Elsie, Zone 8b, Texas
Sunset Zone 28/31 (on the cusp)

A home without a cat is like a garden without flowers.

Elsie

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Nov 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/21/98
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You probably had excellent diction and aced English!! (Where did you
grow up?)

greg presley wrote:
>
> Maybe I grew up on another planet (pleasantville, perhaps) but ours was very formal
>
> "All ye, All ye, Out in free". Please someone, let me know that I wasn't kidnapped
> by aliens and given implanted memories! (It would be so hard on my
> mom!) Greg
>

> TEkelly wrote:
>
> > "All the, all the, outs in free" makes sense, but I've always heard (and used)
> > "Ollie, ollie, oxen free!"

--

B & J

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Nov 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/21/98
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Paul Onstad wrote:

> B & J wrote:
>
> > Paul Onstad wrote:
> >
> > > TEkelly wrote:
>
> > > Has anyone ever heard of, "Anti-I-over" (circa 1946) ?
> > >
> > > -Paul
> >
> > I sure have. We used to play that game in our one room, grades 1-8 country school.
> > We threw a soft, rubber ball over the roof of the school building and yelled
> > "Anti-I-over" when it was thrown. If it failed to go over, we called out, "Pigs
> > tail!"
>

> Exactly! Those were the exact same rules we used and I'd even forgotten the "Pigs tail."
> Getting pelted with the ball wasn't always appreciated but we had no casualties. I'd
> guess the game went out of fashion due to a lack of ridged roofs and the fact you needed
> a quite a few kids for the best game. Decoys could then come around one side and the
> surreptitious ball holder on the other. Mass panic usually ensued. :))
>
> I learned the game in Minnesota. I never could figure out what the name meant but that
> didn't seem to matter.
>
> -Paul

Hey, Paul, I learned that game in Minnesota, too. Does anyone remember playing Pump Pump
Pull Away of Captain, May I? Those are a couple of other games we regularly played at our
country school. It's been ages ago since I thought about them. Recess always passed much
too quickly.

John

Donald J. Dickson

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Nov 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/22/98
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I haven't been following this thread except for a couple of the recent
postings. A few weeks ago I listened to a radio program where the
participants were talking about gathering all the old rope skipping songs
and chants and publishing a book on the subject.

--
Don Dickson

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Ann

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Nov 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/22/98
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spunk...@aol.com (Spunkie199) expounded:

>also
>my mommy told me if i was goody, etc.
>anyone remember the words to that one?

All I remember is:

My mommy told me,
if I was goody,
that she would buy me,
a rubber dolly.

My auntie told her
I kissed a soldier,
now she won't buy me
a rubber dolly.

Then it went into 3-6-9, the other one you remember.

Ann
Gardening in Zone 6a
Just south of Boston, MA
Fix the from: 9 is the spam trap!

greg presley

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Nov 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/22/98
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I always thought I learned this line from my parents, although I probably played it
first in Grand Junction, Colorado, and then (mostly) in Las Vegas, Nevada. (My parents
are from Montana). However, my mom disavows this version, so I'm at a standstill. Maybe I
reinterpreted what I may have said as a child as soon as I encountered these separately
as written words and they made sense out of what would otherwise have been a pretty
strange sentence. I had to do the same with some of the "by rote" prayers that I learned
in Catholic grade school! Greg

Paul Onstad

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B & J wrote:

> Hey, Paul, I learned that game in Minnesota, too.

It sounds like Anti-I-Over may have had midwestern roots but spread out also (Oregon; Annie,
Annie, Over). Later, we played it in Montana but that was pretty much among cousins who had
also migrated. And yes, as another poster pointed out, the bounce off the roof was manditory;
the "in air" catch depended on the honor system (adhered to without much thought); and a
loo-ong pause was scary. The tramping of feet heard coming round a corner was confirmation of
the worst sort. :)

> Does anyone remember playing Pump Pump
> Pull Away of Captain, May I? Those are a couple of other games we regularly played at our
> country school. It's been ages ago since I thought about them. Recess always passed much
> too quickly.
>

I remember the name, Pump Pump, Pull Away, but nothing more about it. "Captain May I" was a
standard: "So-and-so, take one giant step." So-and so: "Captain may I?" It seemed that simple
but the required request for permission was often forgotten. I don't know what we were
thinking of but it required a great deal of concentration--while in the lower grades, at
least.

These were all country school games where all ages could play.

-Paul


MLEBLANCA

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Nov 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/22/98
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In Southern Calif we were also of the " Ollie ollie oxen free " version.
Also Annie, Annie Over.
Others were
Simon Says
Mother May I
Green LIght, Red Light
Follow the Leader
Red Rover

Emilie
NorCal


MLEBLANCA

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Nov 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/22/98
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In article <19981121174002...@ng81.aol.com>, wen...@aol.com (Wendy
B G) writes:

>This dates to the late 1950's.
>

>In Brooklyn, the elementary school girls would play hand games at the same
>time

>that they chanted a rhyme. <snip>

In Southern California, we had a version of this which we called Categories.

There would be several girls sitting in a circle. The leader would start by
saying "Rhythm" and she would then start the pattern: usually some
variation of slapping both hand on legs, clapping hands together and then
snapping fingers. After everyone was in rhythm together, leader would
slap, clap, clap, snap, snap say "Catergory" then
repeat rhythm say " Trees" ( or flowers, cars, colors- any category)
at the end of each Rhythm the next one had to give a word that fit:
"Maple." Then on to each person in the circle,"Oak". If you missed the
pattern,
or got out of rhythm, or didnot have an answer, you were "out"
The last person left got to be the next leader, and select the pattern
and the category.
We spent many hour doing this!!

Emilie
NorCal

MLEBLANCA

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Nov 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/23/98
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In article <36584BE9...@goldengate.net>, Paul Onstad
<pon...@goldengate.net> writes:

>"Captain May I" was a
>standard: "So-and-so, take one giant step." So-and so: "Captain may I?" It
>seemed that simple
>but the required request for permission was often forgotten. I don't know
>what we were
>thinking of but it required a great deal of concentration--while in the lower
>grades, at
>least.

In Southern Cal. we called it "Mother, May I"
If you forgot to ask permission, you went back to the start line.
The "mother" always tried to invent new steps: scissors step,
backwards step, hopping step.
First over finish line got to be new "Mother"
Emilie
NorCal


Spunkie199

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Nov 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/23/98
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we did all but the ollie, ollie and annie annie.

Spunkie199

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>My mommy told me,
>if I was goody,
> that she would buy me,
>a rubber dolly.
>
>My auntie told her
>I kissed a soldier,
>now she won't buy me
>a rubber dolly.
>
>Then it went into 3-6-9, the other one you remember.
>
>

thats it, thanks.
funny how i can remember some but not all of something i have probably
sang to my daughter in the clapping game a million times, and now when i want
to remember, the words leave my head.

is that what happens to an old gardener, stuck in the house for the winter?
winter isn't here full force, and already i miss it and am a little bored.

/5

Spunkie199

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Nov 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/23/98
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>Categories.
>
>There would be several girls sitting in a circle. The leader would start by
>saying "Rhythm" and she would then start the pattern: usually some
>variation of slapping both hand on legs, clapping hands together and then
>snapping fingers. After everyone was in rhythm together, leader would
>slap, clap, clap, snap, snap say "Catergory" then
>repeat rhythm say " Trees" ( or flowers, cars, colors- any category)
>at the end of each Rhythm the next one had to give a word that fit:
>"Maple."

boy did my fingers hurt on that game.. we had that in school, and it was a
big school here in mich.

what other games do we remember?
each response brings back memories of other forgotten games.

Marilyn Catron

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I grew up in Tennessee, played a game called "Mother may I?" where we
were told to walk scissors, or various ways towards the "Mother",
another one I have to apologize for the name, it isn't politically
correct, but it was called nigger on the sidewalk....(I have no idea
what the real name was, we had to bolt across the sidewalk and if you
were tagged, you were it......humphhh, like I said, ignorance was bliss,
the black children that came over to play played it too! My mother also
taught me how to play jacks the right way, with a small rubber ball and
scooping up one sharp metal jack at a time until you were good enough to
do tensies.... as for jumprope, three, six, nine, the goose drank wine,
the monkey chewed tobacco on the streetcar line, the line broke, the
monkey got choked, and they all lived together in a little
rowboat........I'm 45........only children had to figure things out fast
or get the crap beat outa them or mercesly picked on until they
graduated high-school.......

B & J wrote:
>
> Paul Onstad wrote:
>
> > B & J wrote:
> >
> > > Paul Onstad wrote:
> > >
> > > > TEkelly wrote:
> >
> > > > Has anyone ever heard of, "Anti-I-over" (circa 1946) ?
> > > >
> > > > -Paul
> > >
> > > I sure have. We used to play that game in our one room, grades 1-8 country school.
> > > We threw a soft, rubber ball over the roof of the school building and yelled
> > > "Anti-I-over" when it was thrown. If it failed to go over, we called out, "Pigs
> > > tail!"
> >
> > Exactly! Those were the exact same rules we used and I'd even forgotten the "Pigs tail."
> > Getting pelted with the ball wasn't always appreciated but we had no casualties. I'd
> > guess the game went out of fashion due to a lack of ridged roofs and the fact you needed
> > a quite a few kids for the best game. Decoys could then come around one side and the
> > surreptitious ball holder on the other. Mass panic usually ensued. :))
> >
> > I learned the game in Minnesota. I never could figure out what the name meant but that
> > didn't seem to matter.
> >
> > -Paul
>

> Hey, Paul, I learned that game in Minnesota, too. Does anyone remember playing Pump Pump


> Pull Away of Captain, May I? Those are a couple of other games we regularly played at our
> country school. It's been ages ago since I thought about them. Recess always passed much
> too quickly.
>

> John

MLEBLANCA

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In article <19981123001951...@ng154.aol.com>, spunk...@aol.com
(Spunkie199) writes:

>what other games do we remember?
>each response brings back memories of other forgotten games.
>

I also remember "New Orleans"
There were 2 teams lined up on their home base lines.
Team #1 would get together and decide on an activiety to act out in pantomime:
For example-ice skating.
They would then walk toward Team #2, saying "Here we come."
Team#2 response: Where are you from?
Team #1: New Orleans
#2 What's your trade?
#1 Lemonade.
#2 Show us some-if you're not AFRAID!!
Team #1 would then all act out their own interpretations of "ice skating"
Team #2 would shout out their answers, and when someone would get
the correct answer, Team #1 would turn and run toward their home line.
Team #2 would try to tag as many as they could, who then would become
Team #2 mambers for the next round.. Team with the most people was the
winner.
Chase and tag games were sure popular, and were always accompanied
by much screaming, squealing and falling down. We always had skinned
knees, and lots of fun.
Emilie
NorCal


Patty

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Nov 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/24/98
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My father was in the Air Force, so I grew up all over. I remember the
saying as, All-ee, all-ee, in come free. I don't remember which state I was
in or the age I was when I first learned it. As for the clapping game, I
remember: Miss Mary Mack, Mack , Mack/ All dressed in black, black, black/
With silver buttons, buttons, buttons/ All down her back, back,
back....there is more to it.
Wendy B G wrote in message <19981121083913...@ng-fr1.aol.com>...

>>Maybe I grew up on another planet (pleasantville, perhaps) but ours was
very
>>formal
>>
>>"All ye, All ye, Out in free". Please someone, let me know that I wasn't
>>kidnapped
>>by aliens and given implanted memories! (It would be so hard on my
>>mom!) Greg
>>
>

Shirley Hicks

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On Sun, 22 Nov 1998 11:37:45 -0600, Paul Onstad
<pon...@goldengate.net> brought down from the mountain:

>It sounds like Anti-I-Over may have had midwestern roots but spread out also (Oregon; Annie,
>Annie, Over). Later, we played it in Montana but that was pretty much among cousins who had
>also migrated. And yes, as another poster pointed out, the bounce off the roof was manditory;
>the "in air" catch depended on the honor system (adhered to without much thought); and a
>loo-ong pause was scary. The tramping of feet heard coming round a corner was confirmation of
>the worst sort. :)
>

>> Does anyone remember playing Pump Pump
>> Pull Away of Captain, May I? Those are a couple of other games we regularly played at our
>> country school. It's been ages ago since I thought about them. Recess always passed much
>> too quickly.

DIdn't learn this one... (sixties seveinties in grade
school)

>I remember the name, Pump Pump, Pull Away, but nothing more about it. "Captain May I" was a


>standard: "So-and-so, take one giant step." So-and so: "Captain may I?" It seemed that simple
>but the required request for permission was often forgotten. I don't know what we were
>thinking of but it required a great deal of concentration--while in the lower grades, at
>least.

I knew this one as "Mother, May I?"
And if Mother say "You May" you had the option of performing
the required action correctly, but if Mother said "You Must"
you had to perform it to the letter or else you gave up
ground." Something like that (I think)

Shirley

B & J

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Shirley Hicks wrote:

> On Sun, 22 Nov 1998 11:37:45 -0600, Paul Onstad
> <pon...@goldengate.net> brought down from the mountain:
>
> >It sounds like Anti-I-Over may have had midwestern roots but spread out also (Oregon; Annie,
> >Annie, Over).
> >

> >> Does anyone remember playing Pump Pump

> >> Pull Away or Captain, May I? Those are a couple of other games we regularly played at our
> >> country school.
>


> DIdn't learn this one... (sixties seveinties in grade
> school)
>
> >I remember the name, Pump Pump, Pull Away, but nothing more about it.
>

> I knew this one as "Mother, May I?"
> And if Mother say "You May" you had the option of performing
> the required action correctly, but if Mother said "You Must"
> you had to perform it to the letter or else you gave up
> ground." Something like that (I think)

Pump Pump, Pull Away was a game where one individual was "it," and all the other individuals
playing stood behind a line one one side of a playing area and tried to cross a line on the other
side of the playing area before the "it" person tagged them.

The game started with "it" person calling out, "Pump pump, pull away - Come or I'll pull you
away!" At that point everyone tried to dash across the tagging area to the safety of the other
side side before being tagged. Those tagged while attempting to cross became "it" along with the
original individual. This was repeated from the other side.

The game continued until everyone was tagged with the last person tagged having the honor of
becoming the new "it" individual. The "Come or I'll pull you away" was enforced on those
individuals who hesitated too long before attempting to cross the legal tagging area.

John

Kate Hunter

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Nov 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/25/98
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Jumping rope rhymes had a lot of nonsensical stuff which must have derived
from something...

We had one where you said "eevie ivie over" at one point.....

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Kate Hunter
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Gardening in East Central Illinois
Zone 5b

In article <36560126...@goldengate.net>, Paul Onstad <pon...@goldengate.net> writes:
>
>
> TEkelly wrote:
>
> > "All the, all the, outs in free" makes sense, but I've always heard (and used)
> > "Ollie, ollie, oxen free!"
>

pcoom...@hotmail.com

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Zhanataya wrote:
> I haven't read a posting from Ellen "spamfree at last" in quite a
> while. On vacation? Win the lottery? Ollie Ollie oxen free. Come
> Out. Come out. Whereever you are.
>

Maybe Ellen, whereever she is did not come out, but what a fascinating thread
Z started. Not having grown up in U.S.A. most of the games are unknown to me
by the names quoted. Several are similar to ones played in England when I was
in school. All you "gamesters" may be interested to search into the
<rec.genealogy> forum under "gymkhana" where a similar thread on childrens
games has been taking place over the past few weeks. -- Peter

"What we need are new and orginal ideas which have been well and truly
tested over time!"

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mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa

In previous post I wrote:
All you "gamesters" may be interested to search into the
> <rec.genealogy> forum under "gymkhana" where a similar thread on childrens
> games has been taking place over the past few weeks. --

The correct forum for "gymkhana" is <soc.genealogy.britain>


Peter
>
> "What we need are new and orginal ideas which have been well and truly
> tested over time!"

> What we really need are proof readers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kate Hunter

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My favorite skipping rope:


Fudge, fudge, call the judge
Mamma's got a new born baby
Wrap it up in tissue paper
send it down the elevator

First floor, skip (you trapped the rope between your feet)

Second floor, skip

[etc, etc - thn..]

Fith floor, throw it out the door
Mamma aint got no baby no more


This is frightening!!!! Now that I think about it teens tossing babies
in dumpsters.......

Paul Onstad

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Kate Hunter wrote:

> My favorite skipping rope:
>
> Fudge, fudge, call the judge
> Mamma's got a new born baby
> Wrap it up in tissue paper
> send it down the elevator
>
> First floor, skip (you trapped the rope between your feet)
>
> Second floor, skip
>
> [etc, etc - thn..]
>
> Fith floor, throw it out the door
> Mamma aint got no baby no more
>
> This is frightening!!!! Now that I think about it teens tossing babies
> in dumpsters.......

The kids got even. I remember this one from cousin Lois in about 1947,

Help, murder, police!
My Mother fell in the grease
I laughed so hard I fell in the lard
Help, murder, police!

-Paul


Helen Thursh

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Patty <pa...@tricountyi.net.net> wrote in article
<365b8...@208.148.72.204>...


> My father was in the Air Force, so I grew up all over. I remember the
> saying as, All-ee, all-ee, in come free. I don't remember which state I
was
> in or the age I was when I first learned it.

When I was a kid in Brooklyn our version was a singsong "Home-Free-All."
Pretty direct. We played hopscotch, but it was called Potsy. I think the
rules were the same. We also played stoop ball, where you threw a ball
against the flight of steps in front of a building and tried to catch it on
the rebound. The ball picked up lots of extra speed if it hit the edge of
a step. On my street your ball was a goner if it rolled onto the trolley
tracks when a trolley was coming. And are there any New Yorkers out there
who remember Oh I won't go to Macy's any more, more, more/There's a big fat
policeman by the door, door, door/ He'll grab you by the collar/ And he'll
make you pay a dollar/ So I won't go to Macy's any more, more, more. I
really should have spelled it out with a New York accent: maw, daw. I
think we did hand claps to it.

And anyway, where IS Ellen?

Helen

Spunkie199

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> Help, murder, police!
> My Mother fell in the grease
> I laughed so hard I fell in the lard
> Help, murder, police!
>
>

thanks.
forgot about that one,
shame on me, i used to say that one alot.
z/5
kathy Lower south east MI
You will always find something in
the last place you look.
Murphy's Law.

Wendy B G

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>My favorite skipping rope:

We used to skip rope to this chant:

"A" my name is "Alice" and my husband's name is "Albert" we come from "Alabama"
and we sell "Apples,"
"B" my name is "Bertha" and my husband's name is "Bobby" we come from
"Brooklyn" and we sell "Bananas,"
etc. through the alphabet.

We did a plain single skip. The African-American girls did "Double Dutch" rope
skipping, which was much more difficult. I was never able to do it, so I don't
know if they had chants. Anyone know?
Wendy Goldberg


Joseph Schlein

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I remember:
Fudge , Fudge, Call the judge
Momma's gatta a brand new Baby

Beth

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Does anyone remember skipping rope to this one?

Not last night but the night before
twentyfour robbers came knocking at my door
I ran out as they ran in
hit them over the head with a rolling pin

It went something like that, with lots motions you would have to do, and
running in and out of the rope. I remember one part was: I asked them what
they wanted, this is what they said........but cannot remember what they said
maybe it was, one, two, turn around, three four, touch the floor, five, six,
pick up sticks????

Or how about the one, Mary had a baby, she named him Tiny Tim, put him in the
bathtub to teach him how to swim, he drank up all the water, ate a bar a
soap????? I can't for the life of me remember it all now. But at one point, in
came the doctor, in came the nurse, in came the lady with the alligator purse.

Gosh, thanks for starting this thread, it sure has brought back some memories.
Foggy memories, but nice ones none the less.

Beth


In article <19981126113131...@ng145.aol.com>, wen...@aol.com

B & J

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How about this one:

Billy over the ocean,
Billy, over the sea,
Billy stole a chicken,
And blamed it one me!

I told Ma;
And Ma told Pa.
Billy got a lickin'
So ha, ha, ha!

Spunkie199

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>hit them over the head with a rolling pin

its awful but thats all i can remember of that one. and

>came the doctor, in came the nurse, in came the lady with the alligator
>purse.

same with that one.

course i didn't play jump rope very much. missing a step wasn't my
problem.
getting snagged in the rope was.
how can anyone manage to wrap a jump rope around their foot? don't know ,
but i did it lots of times.
could do just about any rythmn (clapping games) with my hands, and about
next to nothing with my feet.
lucky i didn't break my neck!

Dan Barnes

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Betche2 wrote:

> I have really enjoyed reading this thread. I am really glad someone thought to
> ask where Ellen is.....
>

Yeah, but where the hell is she 8~0


Betche2

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>>My mommy told me,
>>if I was goody,
>> that she would buy me,
>>a rubber dolly.
>>
>>My auntie told her
>>I kissed a soldier,
>>now she won't buy me
>>a rubber dolly.
>>
>>Then it went into 3-6-9, the other one you remember.
>>
>>
>
>thats it, thanks.
>funny how i can remember some but not all of something i have probably
>sang to my daughter in the clapping game a million times, and now when i
>want
>to remember, the words leave my head.
>
>is that what happens to an old gardener, stuck in the house for the
>winter?
>winter isn't here full force, and already i miss it and am a little bored.
>
>/5
> kathy lower south east MI
> It is better to say ' I don't know ',
> than to lie about it.
> Ignas Bernstein
>

We used to do that one and then there was one that went:

A sailor went to sea, to sea
To see what he could see, see, see
And all that he could see, see, see
Was the deep blue sea, sea, sea

Then there was another called: Who stole the cookie from the cookie jar?

It started out with that question and then someone would sing:

_name of another child_ stole the cookie from the cookie jar

Then:

Who me?
Yeah, you?
Couldn't be...
Then who......stole the cookie from the cookie jar?

And it started all over...


Bette C.

"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect." -Mark Twain-

Wendy B G

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>Mary had a baby, she named him Tiny Tim, she put him in the
>bathtub to teach him how to swim, he drank up all the water, he ate a bar a
>soap

He would have ate the bathtub, but it wouldn't fit down his throat!

His mother called the doctor, his mother called the nurse, his mother called


the lady with the alligator purse.

In came the doctor, in came the nurse, in came the lady with the alligator
purse.

<Something> said the doctor, <something> said the nurse, <something> said the


lady with the alligator purse.

I forgot what they said.

Wendy Goldberg


Betche2

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Patty wrote:

>My father was in the Air Force, so I grew up all over. I remember the
>saying as, All-ee, all-ee, in come free. I don't remember which state I was
>in or the age I was when I first learned it

I grew up in Massachusetts and we called out Ollie Ollie Ump-free when we
played hide and seek. The person it would count to whatever the designated
number was so that everyone could hide, then that person would shout "ready or
not here I come...and start looking for those hiding.....Those that were hiding
would try to get back to *home*(where the it person counted) with out being
*caught*...if they succeeded they yelled out "ollie ollie ump-free."

Other games I have heard mentioned here that I grew up playing are:
Red Rover
Red Light
May I
Simon Says
Follow the leader

We also played some game with a ball the size of a basket ball where you threw
it against the side of the school and when as it bounced jumped over it and the
next person caught it and threw it up against the building, etc.

We did some clapping songs and some jump rope songs but those were more *girl*
oriented. When we got together for family and friend gatherings when there were
children of all ages it was the games listed above that were most
popular....and then, of course, there when haying had been done and there was a
clean shaven field, there were baseball games where even the parents joined
in....

I have really enjoyed reading this thread. I am really glad someone thought to
ask where Ellen is.....

Ann

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bet...@aol.comxxx (Betche2) expounded:

>We also played some game with a ball the size of a basket ball where you threw
>it against the side of the school and when as it bounced jumped over it and the
>next person caught it and threw it up against the building, etc.

I remember that! Sorta <G> Only I think I remember you had to throw
it against the wall, catch it, then throw, bounce and catch....oh, I
can't remember it right, but I do remember it (makes sense, right?)
You know what is really disturbing? That was over 30 years ago. I'm
old enough to say that. Oh, dear. (and yes, I know, some of you can
say 40 years ago, and so on, and so on) :o)

Ann
Gardening in Zone 6a
Just south of Boston, MA
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Betche2

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Ann wrote:

>I remember that! Sorta <G> Only I think I remember you had to throw
>it against the wall, catch it, then throw, bounce and catch....oh, I
>can't remember it right, but I do remember it (makes sense, right?)
>You know what is really disturbing? That was over 30 years ago. I'm
>old enough to say that. Oh, dear. (and yes, I know, some of you can
>say 40 years ago, and so on, and so on) :o)
>

Hahahaha.....that would be me(in my late 40s).

I also used to play a game of jackknife....a game called mumbly peg.

First you drove a wooden peg in the ground...

Then, I can't remember all the different things you had to do...or I remember
some of the names of the things, but not what you had to do...Like "onesies" or
"salt and pepper" I do remember that you kept playing your turn until you
missed the knife sticking in the grass. Once you missed the next person would
start. Then I do remember that some one ended up pulling the mumbly peg out
with his/her teeth

I can remember bits and pieces, but not the whole game.


Richard F. Adamson

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There is a book out there entitled, "ANNA BANANA - 101 Jump-rope Rhymes" by
Joanna Cole. Wanda

Donald J. Dickson wrote:

> I haven't been following this thread except for a couple of the recent
> postings. A few weeks ago I listened to a radio program where the
> participants were talking about gathering all the old rope skipping songs
> and chants and publishing a book on the subject.
>
> --
> Don Dickson
>
> Remove first "x" from xcx666 to reply by email.


Paul Onstad

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Betche2 wrote:

> Hahahaha.....that would be me(in my late 40s).
>
> I also used to play a game of jackknife....a game called mumbly peg.
>
> First you drove a wooden peg in the ground...
>
> Then, I can't remember all the different things you had to do...or I remember
> some of the names of the things, but not what you had to do...Like "onesies" or
> "salt and pepper" I do remember that you kept playing your turn until you
> missed the knife sticking in the grass. Once you missed the next person would
> start. Then I do remember that some one ended up pulling the mumbly peg out
> with his/her teeth
>
> I can remember bits and pieces, but not the whole game.

Much of mumbly peg involved successively harder ways to flip the knife and still
have it stick in the ground. One of the easiest (stage 1?) was to close the fingers
to form a flat fist and have the knife lying loose in the "valley". It required
looping the hand over and down with the knife defying gravity at the arc of the
loop. Then there were flips and flipping tosses with the second hand often coming
into play to provide a little danger. That's what we thought of it--sort of a
daring game--but I don't remember anyone getting punctured or sliced. Each stage
had it own name.

-Paul

Spunkie199

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>>I remember that! Sorta <G>

> I can't remember all the different things you had to do...or I remember


>some of the names of the things, but not what you had to do...

my childhood is over 47 yrs ago.
isn't old age wonderful?
we can remember 'way back then' but only in spurts, and in bits and pieces.
but hey!!!!
at least we can still remember.
and the 'younger'---older generation helps to fill some of the gaps.
or triggers memories we haven't thought about in years.
ain't life grand, look at all the 'wisdom' we have forgotten.
maybe some of the 'younger parents' can teach their kids these ''old
games''.
they worked for us, and kept us busy and they had to be fun, or we
wouldn't have played them.
agree or disagree????
z/5
.

Zhanataya

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>
>
> Then there was another called: Who stole the cookie from the cookie jar?
>
> It started out with that question and then someone would sing:
>
> _name of another child_ stole the cookie from the cookie jar
>
> Then:
>
> Who me?
> Yeah, you?
> Couldn't be...
> Then who......stole the cookie from the cookie jar?
>
> And it started all over...
>

> Bette C.
>
> "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." -Mark Twain-

My granddaughter taught me the "cookie jar" one last year. She was four.
Yesterday evening we played a game of hide and seek with the neighborhood kids,
age 5 to 17, and their parents. What a grand time. Can't run so fast anymore.
Kept getting caught. Whoever was it would beat me back to home spot. It
generated quite a *lively* discussion. Is it first caught is "it" next or last
caught?
Zhanataya

Betche2

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> My granddaughter taught me the "cookie jar" one last year. She was four.
>Yesterday evening we played a game of hide and seek with the neighborhood
>kids,
>age 5 to 17, and their parents. What a grand time. Can't run so fast
>anymore.
>Kept getting caught. Whoever was it would beat me back to home spot. It
>generated quite a *lively* discussion. Is it first caught is "it" next or
>last
>caught?
>Zhanataya

I thought it was first caught.....but that was long ago...<G>

Helen Smith

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hun...@isgs.uiuc.edu (Kate Hunter) wrote:

>Jumping rope rhymes had a lot of nonsensical stuff which must have derived
>from something...
>
>We had one where you said "eevie ivie over" at one point.....

EEVIE IVY ,OVER came at the end of
Skip to the King
Skip to the Queen
Turn your back on the washing machine!
At least it did in my playground in Yorkshire in the thirties. Which
come to think of it is very strange, because no one I knew had a
washing machine then. Helen

Marilyn Catron

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There was an old woman who swallowed a fly....swallowed a fly? Oh my,
poor old woman, I think she'll die.
There was an old woman who swallowed a spider, right down inside her,
she swallowed the spider, she swallowed the spider to kill the
fly...swallowed the fly? etc
There was an old woman who swallowed a bird. Swallowed a bird? How
absurd. Swallowed the bird to kill the spider, swallowed the spider to
kill the fly, etc
There was an old woman .....swallowed a cat. Fancy that! Swallowed a
cat. Swallowed the cat to kill the bird, to kill the spider, to kill the
fly....
There was an old woman....swallowed a dog. She was a hog when she
swallowed a hog. Swallowed the dog to kill the cat....to kill the
bird....spider.....fly....
There was an old woman who swallowed a cow. I don't know how, but she
swallowed a cow, swallowed cow to kill
dog.....cat.....bird....spider....fly....
There was an old woman who swallowed a horse........she died of course!
You have to repeat every line about every critter, but it makes for
great memory and brain cell development as well as just silly which
always seems to appeal to any generation of child, I have passed this
one on to a third generation even tho I am just 45 myself! hope I
didn't offend anyone with the other ones I remembered......have even
decided to go to We be Toys and stuff and get me a good jump rope and
get myself in shape a little bit, at least it will be fun!

Spunkie199

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>There was an old woman who swallowed a fly....swallowed a fly? Oh my,
>poor old woman, I think she'll die.

the version i was taught was very similuar, yet different.

i knew an old lady who swallowed a fly, oh my, she swallowed a fly? perhaps
she'll die.

i knew an old lady that swallowed a spider, that wiggled and jiggeled and
tickled inside her.
she swallowed the spider to catch the fly, i don't know why she swallowed the
fly, perhaps she'll die.

i knew an old lady that swallowed a bird, how absurd to swallow a bird,
she swallowed the bird to catch the spider that wiggled and jiggled and
tickled inside her,
she swallowed the spider to catch the fly, i don't know why she swallowed the
fly, perhaps she'll die.
and so on and so on.

z/5

Spunkie199

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> hope I
>didn't offend anyone with the other ones I remembered.....

does anyone remember the song to go for a lllllooooonnnnggggg!!!!!! car ride
with.???
i think we almost drove my dad crazy with it,
or made him terribly thirsty.

99 bottles of beer on the wall,
99 bottles of beer,
if one of those bottles should happen to fall,
98 bottles of beer on the wall.

98 bottles of beer on the wall.
98 botles of beer etc.

Helen Smith

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hun...@isgs.uiuc.edu (Kate Hunter) wrote:

>Jumping rope rhymes had a lot of nonsensical stuff which must have derived
>from something...
>
>We had one where you said "eevie ivie over" at one point.....

We used to say
Curtsey to the King
Curtsey to the Queen
Turn your back on the washing machine.
........Which is very strange now I think of it, as noone had
washing machines in those days, only hand manipulated dollies.

Zhanataya

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1949, our first *family vacation*, usually the folks vacationed without us kids.
We sang that song everyday for 10 days. Also our last *family vacation.*

Zhanataya

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Any one here ever play "shadow tag" in the twilight? (mid-west Iowa,
rural)

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Spunkie199

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>Turn your back on the washing machine.
> ........Which is very strange now I think of it, as noone had
>washing machines in those days, only hand manipulated dollies.

we had the tub/ hand crank, wringer model.
and later updated to the 2 tubs/ hand crank wringer model.
my how our ages show!!

spa...@fatsparrowstudios.co.nz

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mrsco...@webtv.net wrote:
>Any one here ever play "shadow tag" in the twilight? (mid-west Iowa,>rural)

Only after I've used Shampoo on my hair! (Wouldn't want to get
caught outside with dirty hair!) Ha ha!
Sparrow

The Anthonys

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mrsco...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> Any one here ever play "shadow tag" in the twilight? (mid-west Iowa,
> rural)
>
me! in suburban Wisconsin in the 50's. I thought I was the only one who
had heard of it.
--SB, now living on the shadow-tag-free east coast

Kate Hunter

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When you chanted "in came the doctor" etc, someone else came in and you jumped
together. Then you did "out went the doctor". And I love the lady with
the alligator purse.

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Kate Hunter
hun...@fern.igis.uiuc.edu
Gardening in East Central Illinois
Zone 5b

In article <73m5jr$9...@news.voyager.net>, wng...@voyager.net (Beth) writes:
> Does anyone remember skipping rope to this one?
>
> Not last night but the night before
> twentyfour robbers came knocking at my door
> I ran out as they ran in

> hit them over the head with a rolling pin
>

> It went something like that, with lots motions you would have to do, and
> running in and out of the rope. I remember one part was: I asked them what
> they wanted, this is what they said........but cannot remember what they said
> maybe it was, one, two, turn around, three four, touch the floor, five, six,
> pick up sticks????
>

> Or how about the one, Mary had a baby, she named him Tiny Tim, put him in the

> bathtub to teach him how to swim, he drank up all the water, ate a bar a
> soap????? I can't for the life of me remember it all now. But at one point, in

> came the doctor, in came the nurse, in came the lady with the alligator purse.
>

Kate Hunter

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In the early 50's we lived in housing constructed for returning G.I.s
at the U of Illinois. It was awful - long tarpaper buildings one story
high but with three units in a linear design. The middle unit was really
stinking hot in summer. So we did everything outside. My Dad and his
Martini buddy invented something called roof tennis where one player
was on each side of the building. They used Badminton raquets and
birdies. I got pretty wild, but required *some* skill as you couldnt
see each other.

Kate Hunter

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Hmmmm - we now must deal with Jacks as I can see this is expanding.

Babies
.....
Quickies (yes, really)
....
Onesies
Twosies
Threesies
.....
Kisses
...
Eggs-in-a-Basket
Pigs-in-a-Sty
...
Round the World
....
Upsie-Ups
Upsie-Downs
Downsie-Ups
Downsie-Downs

.....
Shoot the Moon


Oh gosh - there are so many and I cant remember the order. I still have a set
too.

Kate Hunter

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We used to have a book around the house called "American Treasury of
Folklore". Its had a lot of this in it, but was probably published
in the 1940's, so it didnt have things form later on.

Terri

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The Anthonys wrote:
>
> mrsco...@webtv.net wrote:
> >
> > Any one here ever play "shadow tag" in the twilight? (mid-west Iowa,
> > rural)
> >
> me! in suburban Wisconsin in the 50's. I thought I was the only one who
> had heard of it.
>
How is it played?

Has anyone here ever played "kick the can"? I remember playing on warm
summer nights with our cousins and friends while the adults talked
inside
and practically has to force us to come in the house at around 10p.m. or
later...

:)
Terri

I don't speak for and they don't speak for me.

Spunkie199

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>
>1949, our first *family vacation*, usually the folks vacationed without us
>kids.
>We sang that song everyday for 10 days. Also our last *family vacation.*

i wonder why?
and did you ever make it past 60 bottles of beer.
we usually petered out about there.
z/5

kathy Lower south east MI

Leakproof seals--will
Self starters--will not.
Interchangeable parts--won't
Murphy's Law.

Zhanataya

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Spunkie199 wrote:

>
>
> i wonder why?
> and did you ever make it past 60 bottles of beer.
> we usually petered out about there.
> z/5
>
> kathy Lower south east MI
> Leakproof seals--will
> Self starters--will not.
> Interchangeable parts--won't
> Murphy's Law.
>

I don't know if we made it that far. Usually our throats would give out or
we would confuse the count. But after a few minutes we'd start again.

Zhanataya

Don & Jeanne Chapman

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Just as a last posting from me on this topic, I traveled up to Oregon this
past weekend to arrange a funeral (my mother passed away at age 90) and
afterward visited a remarkable facility in Oregon City called the Oregon
Trail Interpretive Center. It reallly gives a good deep perspective into
the lives of those emigrants (who were leaving their country behind).

I was feeling rather depressed, so when the guide told us a story about
pioneer children amusing themselves by tossing dry buffalo chips up and
over the covered wagons, then yelling "Annie, Annie, Over", I'm sure
everyone wondered why I laughed so loud. What a perfect way that was to
bring my spirits back up!

I believe I solved the mystery as to how the game was brought from the east
to Oregon.

--
Don Chapman <d...@bio-organics.com>
Bio/Organics Suppy Center
3200 Corte Malapaso, #107
Camarillo CA 93012
Info & Orders <http://www.bio-organics.com>

Jessie

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Zhanataya wrote:

>
> Spunkie199 wrote:
>
> > and did you ever make it past 60 bottles of beer.
> > we usually petered out about there.
>
> I don't know if we made it that far. Usually our throats would give out or
> we would confuse the count. But after a few minutes we'd start again.
>

Aw heck! For real entertainment, just get the kids started
on "The Song That Never Ends"!

--
Jessie
New York City
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MLEBLANCA

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Does anyone remember these "paper"games that we played on rainly days
or when we should have been studying!??

Hangman
Cootie Catchers made of folded paper
Cootie catchers altered to tell fortunes
Connect two dots to make a box
Fortune telling chart: Fold paper to make 16 boxes and fill in with
Name 4 boys Mike Tom Bill Jim
Name 4 colors blue red green yellow
Name 4 states CA Tex Ohio Fla
Name 4 numbers 5 9 0 25
The fortune teller would have you select a number(5) and then proceed to
count and X
out the fifth word until one was left in each row.
Your fortune might be "You will marry Jim wearing red, live in Texas and have
25 kids."

"Slam Books"?
Anyone remember "Jinks! You owe me a Coke" ??

Emilie
California


MLEBLANCA

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In article <741p9m$r53$3...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, hun...@isgs.uiuc.edu (Kate
Hunter) writes:
....jacks....
>Onesies
>Twosies
>Threesies all the way up to ten........

>.....
>Kisses
>...
>Eggs-in-a-Basket
>Pigs-in-a-Sty
>...
>Round the World
>....
Kate, I remember all of these. There was one in which a jack was tossed into
the air
instead of the ball and had to be caught before it hit the ground. Do you know
the name
of it?
I thought I still had my set, but could not find it. Guess I'll have to play
it with small pebbles!!

Emilie
NorCal


Spunkie199

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>Does anyone remember these "paper"games that we played on rainly days
>or when we should have been studying!??

i know this is not what your looking for, but either i was making paper
airplanes, or cutting out snowflakes.
any one do that too?

Spunkie199

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any one remember 'leap frog'?
and any 'rules' that went with it?

Spunkie199

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> > and did you ever make it past 60 bottles of beer.
>> > we usually petered out about there.
>>

>>
>> I don't know if we made it that far. Usually our throats would give out
>or
>> we would confuse the count. But after a few minutes we'd start again.
>>


>Aw heck! For real entertainment, just get the kids started
>on

"The Song That Never Ends"!
>
>

whats that? wanna hmmmm a few bars?

Jessie

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Spunkie199 wrote:

>
> Jessie wrote:
> >
> >Aw heck! For real entertainment, just get the kids started
> >on "The Song That Never Ends"!
>
> whats that? wanna hmmmm a few bars?

Ok, you asked for it! [clearing throat]:

This is the song that never ends,
It just goes on and on, my friend.
Some people started singing it not knowing what it was,
And they'll continue singing it forever just because,
This is the song that never ends,
It just goes one and on, my friend.
Some people started singing it...

[cough] Well, I think you get the picture. If you want the
melody, hunt up the Shari Lewis recording (or catch a rerun
of Lamb Chop's Play Along series).

--
Jessie, who is well into her fourth decade of childhood

Jack Allen

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MLEBLANCA wrote:

Don't forget mumbly peg.


--
What's the difference between ignorance and indifference? I don't know and I
don't care.

ICQ: 3219552

Jack

pcoo...@hotmail.com

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In article <19981204231055...@ng-cr1.aol.com>,

spunk...@aol.com (Spunkie199) wrote:
> any one remember 'leap frog'?
> and any 'rules' that went with it?
> z/5
> kathy Lower south east MI
> Leakproof seals--will
> Self starters--will not.
> Interchangeable parts--won't
> Murphy's Law.
> There were no rules! Get over anyway you could.
>


--
Peter

"What we need are new and orginal ideas which have been well and truly
tested over time!"

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Spunkie199

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>
>This is the song that never ends,
>It just goes on and on, my friend.
>Some people started singing it not knowing what it was,
>And they'll continue singing it forever just because,
>This is the song that never ends,
>It just goes one and on, my friend.
>Some people started singing it...
>
>
see what ya mean.
never heard of it, and if not careful, i will have the words running in my
head all night.
thanks,
almost sorry i asked.
and if the words stick, will be sorry i asked.

E. McCullough

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Have been waiting and waiting for some mention of alleys (marbles). Can't
remember the rules myself, but do remember the Crown Royal bags full of
treasures.
Liz

--
E. McCullough - ac...@freenet.carleton.ca

MLEBLANCA

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In article <19981204182749...@ng19.aol.com>, spunk...@aol.com
(Spunkie199) writes:

>>Does anyone remember these "paper"games that we played on rainly days
>>or when we should have been studying!??
>
>i know this is not what your looking for, but either i was making paper
>airplanes, or cutting out snowflakes.
>any one do that too?
>
>z/5
> kathy

Sure, did those too.
And a paper Christmas tree 'thingy' that grew as
you pulled it out?
mle


MLEBLANCA

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(Spunkie199) writes:

>any one remember 'leap frog'?
>and any 'rules' that went with it?
>z/5
> kathy

Don't think we had any ' rules'......
Played Hopscotch a lot, too.
Emilie
NorCal


Wendy B G

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>Does anyone remember these "paper"games that we played on rainly days
>or when we should have been studying!??

>Fortune telling chart: Fold paper to make 16 boxes and fill in with


> Name 4 boys Mike Tom Bill Jim
> Name 4 colors blue red green yellow
> Name 4 states CA Tex Ohio Fla
> Name 4 numbers 5 9 0 25
>The fortune teller would have you select a number(5) and then proceed to
>count and X
>out the fifth word until one was left in each row.
>Your fortune might be "You will marry Jim wearing red, live in Texas and
>have
>25 kids."

In our case, the fortune telling chart was folded into an origami-like
construction. The person telling the fortune would place the origami (with the
fortunes written inside) over the fingers of both hands. The person whose
fortune would be told would pick a number. The fortune teller would manupulate
the origami with the fingers, pushing the sections in and out, counting until
the chosen number. The fortune would be revealed at that point.
Wendy Goldberg


Marilyn Catron

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alright, lets have a moment of silence for the loss of sweet Lambchop,
and her creator, Sherri Lewis....ummmm anyone remember a childrens
program that had Do-bee's and Don't bees? I'm old enough to have caught
the end season of Buffalo Bob and Howdy Doody, and of course, Clara
Belle, and later the Capn' and Mr. Greenjeans,,,oh I remember, Romper
Room! oh jeeeze and down here in the South, we had Popeye and
Bo-Bo....and I of course grew up on The Three Stoogies regardless as to
wheather or not they were way before my time, and at 5 a.m. on Saturdays
I would sneak outa bed and turn on the t.v. and watch The Bowery Boys
not understanding a darn thing, and Our Gang and later Little
Rascals.....and we all endured the Dimple......I can actually remember
the first three books I read in first grade.....Water Babies(pieces
still stick with me to this day, and I'd give my left cheek for an older
copy of it, my elementary school pulled it in the mid 60's because there
were questionable color prints throughout.....I never considered it
tasteless, and still don't, then there was The Secret Garden illustrated
by Tasha Tudor, Laural Ingles Wilder, all of them eventually, and the
most frightening book of all, the REAL Mary Poppins, she scared the
be-jesus outa me. I only read it once and had nightmares for three
nights afterward, and we all were perverted by the not for children
cartoons, Loony Tunes and Merry Melodies, and the slam 'toons of Popeye
during the war.....not politically correckkkk now were they? And i
didn't mind in the least, I grew up fairly wholesome, non-bigoted and
still became a gardener after all!


Jessie wrote:
>
> Spunkie199 wrote:
> >
> > Jessie wrote:
> > >
> > >Aw heck! For real entertainment, just get the kids started
> > >on "The Song That Never Ends"!
> >
> > whats that? wanna hmmmm a few bars?
>
> Ok, you asked for it! [clearing throat]:
>

> This is the song that never ends,
> It just goes on and on, my friend.
> Some people started singing it not knowing what it was,
> And they'll continue singing it forever just because,
> This is the song that never ends,
> It just goes one and on, my friend.
> Some people started singing it...
>

Helen Smith

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What time is it Mr.for.a...@sympatico.ca (Shirley Hicks) wrote:

>On Sun, 22 Nov 1998 11:37:45 -0600, Paul Onstad
><pon...@goldengate.net> brought down from the mountain:
>
>>It sounds like Anti-I-Over may have had midwestern roots but spread out also (Oregon; Annie,
>>Annie, Over). Later, we played it in Montana but that was pretty much among cousins who had
>>also migrated. And yes, as another poster pointed out, the bounce off the roof was manditory;
>>the "in air" catch depended on the honor system (adhered to without much thought); and a
>>loo-ong pause was scary. The tramping of feet heard coming round a corner was confirmation of
>>the worst sort. :)
>>
>>> Does anyone remember playing Pump Pump
>>> Pull Away of Captain, May I? Those are a couple of other games we regularly played at our
>>> country school. It's been ages ago since I thought about them. Recess always passed much
>>> too quickly.
>
>DIdn't learn this one... (sixties seveinties in grade
>school)
>
>>I remember the name, Pump Pump, Pull Away, but nothing more about it. "Captain May I" was a
>>standard: "So-and-so, take one giant step." So-and so: "Captain may I?" It seemed that simple
>>but the required request for permission was often forgotten. I don't know what we were
>>thinking of but it required a great deal of concentration--while in the lower grades, at
>>least.
>
>I knew this one as "Mother, May I?"
>And if Mother say "You May" you had the option of performing
>the required action correctly, but if Mother said "You Must"
>you had to perform it to the letter or else you gave up
>ground." Something like that (I think)
>
>
>
>Shirley
What time is it Mr. Wolf? Mr Wolf with back to the group says
" Two O'clock" or any hour as the group stealthily approach, until he
says "Dinner time" and turns to chase them.

Also......... Big A,litttle a, Bouncing B,
Cat's in the cupboard and can't catch me.

I used to find these games a little bit scary, which is hard to
imagine now.
Helen

Spunkie199

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>Your fortune might be "You will marry Jim wearing red, live in Texas and
>>have
>>25 kids."

remember that one.

>
>In our case, the fortune telling chart was folded into an origami-like
>construction.

and that one, but could never figure out how to fold it so it would work.

Spunkie199

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>
>Have been waiting and waiting for some mention of alleys (marbles). Can't
>remember the rules myself, but do remember the Crown Royal bags full of
>treasures.

my brothers played it a lot, and all i can remember are the 'cats eyes'. and
there was a big one, with its own name, but as a 'watcher' and not allowed
to play, i don't remember any of the rules.
i do remember a circle, and marbles were rolled into it and aimed at
hitting the others, but thats all.
not bad for it happening over 45 yrs. ago.

MLEBLANCA

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In article <36692BF0...@cyberenet.net>, Jack Allen <ti...@cyberenet.net>
writes:

>Don't forget mumbly peg.
>

I don't remember too many kids playing that.
Maybe the boys played while we girls played jacks and hopscotch.??
My husband remembers playing it in Tennessee.
Emilie


Spunkie199

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>nyone remember a childrens
>program that had Do-bee's and Don't bees?

ETC.
i remember all you mentioned.
and sheri lewis has re-runs on public tv here.
that brings back memory's.
do you remember the 'craze' of making sock puppets?
everyone had them.

>not politically correckkkk now were they?

anyone read a copy of the 'new' nursery rymes? so many words have changed,
in sutle ways. that unless you remembered the original, you would never know
the diff.
--got one for my grandbaby, and was reading threw it.

MLEBLANCA

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In article <19981205215323...@ng-fu1.aol.com>, wen...@aol.com
(Wendy B G) writes:

>In our case, the fortune telling chart was folded into an origami-like

>construction. The person telling the fortune would place the origami (with
>the
>fortunes written inside) over the fingers of both hands. The person whose
>fortune would be told would pick a number. The fortune teller would
>manupulate
>the origami with the fingers, pushing the sections in and out, counting until
>the chosen number. The fortune would be revealed at that point.
>Wendy Goldberg
>

Yes, Wendy
Those were the paper things we called 'cootie catchers.'
One side was left plain and the other open way was artfully
covered with cooties (ie bugs). Then the clean side was
shown to an unsuspecting kid and brushed across their hair.
Then the cootie side was opened up and everyone cried
'cooties, you've got cooties'.
Emilie


MLEBLANCA

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In article <74co2p$1...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, ac...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (E.
McCullough) writes:

>Have been waiting and waiting for some mention of alleys (marbles). Can't
>remember the rules myself, but do remember the Crown Royal bags full of
>treasures.

>Liz

Liz, we were just waiting for you <G>
We didn't have many rules. It was just shoot and
get the other guys marble. It usually ended up in
general chaos and giggling.
I remember cats-eyes, pureys, aggies, steelies.
Some previous owners kids must have used them,
because I often find them when I'm digging in the
yard.
Emilie


MLEBLANCA

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In article <19981206110732...@ng-cr1.aol.com>, spunk...@aol.com
(Spunkie199) writes:

>>In our case, the fortune telling chart was folded into an origami-like
>>construction.
>

>and that one, but could never figure out how to fold it so it would work.
>
>z/5
> kathy

Well you take a square piece of paper and fold all four corners in
exactly to the center. Turn it over, and fold those four corners in.
Turn over again, and there are four flaps, pull the flaps out and
the tricky part is folding all the centers in. It's like a little basket
with four compartments.
(Want me to send you one?)
Emilie

MLEBLANCA

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In article <21DB67E2...@bellsouth.net>, Marilyn Catron
<mad...@bellsouth.net> writes:

>alright, lets have a moment of silence for the loss of sweet Lambchop,
>and her creator, Sherri Lewis....ummmm anyone remember a childrens
>program that had Do-bee's and Don't bees? I'm old enough to have caught
>the end season of Buffalo Bob and Howdy Doody, and of course, Clara
>Belle, and later the Capn' and Mr. Greenjeans,,,oh I remember, Romper

>Room! snip

Well I'm really showing my age on this one.........
I remember when there wasn't even TV!!
We actually (are you ready for this) listened
to the RADIO:
Lone Ranger
The Shadow
Smilin' Ed and Froggie the Gremlin.
Of course I was just a babe.
EMilie


Jack Allen

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MLEBLANCA wrote:

It was also known as "root the peg".

Zhanataya

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MLEBLANCA wrote:

Could I get away with saying my much older brother told me about the radio
programs? Nah, didn't think so. What I remember the strongest is the
commercials. "All call for Phillip Morris" and a cereal shot from guns with
sound effects. Quaker Oats I think. The program it sponsored was Sergeant
Preston and Yukon King. (I think) Wasn't The Shadow the one with the squeaky
door?

Zhanataya

Joseph Schlein

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Well, we always had a tv. I do remember Miss Nancy and Romper Room. I
thought they were only in the Baltimore area.
Do you remember American Bandstand and Buddy Dean?? I do remember
listening to WKBW out of NY.

Shirley Hicks

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On Mon, 07 Dec 1998 00:53:56 GMT, Joseph Schlein
<n3...@home.com> brought down from the mountain:

>Well, we always had a tv. I do remember Miss Nancy and Romper Room. I
>thought they were only in the Baltimore area.

There was a locally produced version of Romper Room out of
CHCH in Hamilton in the sixties and early seventies.. I was
one of the kids in one episode as a little girl.

Shirley


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