Ray Has A LICENSE To Seduce Women
Outfoxing The Foxes
>Far be it from me to question such a wonderful thing, but the opposite
>sex yesterday gave me a license to play women, use them sexually, and
>just not give a rat's ass about their emotions or feelings while I have
>sex with them.
Awww, poor wittle baby. Did 'um get his feweeling hurt? I suspect that
the opposite sex gave you no such 'license', but rather you gave
yourself such a license to do what you wanted to do anyway.
<-----And this is why most SMART men wind up not giving women ANY power
over them. Total abuse of that power follows. You want to know where
your argument falls apart? Every woman I do anything romantic or
physical with EXCEPT for my "true love" wishes I felt about them the way
I feel about her. Why am I not a "poor baby" to 99 percent of women, the
99 percent I do not care about, and someone to ignore to the 1 percent or
in this case the one that I do care about? The lesson to men is clear:
pursue only those women you don't truly love for sex. That was my point.
This is a discussion group. Your response is the ad-hominem fallacy.
It might sound cool here, but in a true debate environment it is almost
grounds for disqualification. Do you understand this paragraph, or is my
writing too far over your head? It's hard to yell this far down the food
chain at times.
>
>I learned that true love is a perversion,
No, shit. You the one writing relationship books, and you're just now
figuring it out? I've got to be 10 years your junior and I already
knew this simple fact of life.
<----------So you don't believe in love. Guess you are on my side. I
would say that I do believe in true love, I found true love, but DOING
SOMETHING about your true love is where the problems begin. I just
acknowledge the feelings and ignore them.
>that if you are a man your
>feelings are totally irrelevant to how the woman feels (even if you
don't
>like her and she does, you're STILL a jerk),
I don't care if you are male or female, but yes, when you love
someone, it doesn't matter HOW MUCH you love them, if they don't
reciprocate thosse feelings, then you're just SOL. deal with it. I
could paraphrase your above statment in the manner below and it wuld
stand just as true
<-------I have dealt with it. I've dealt with it CORRECTLY. What I am
saying here is that women do not give a rat's ass about how men feel,
which means that FEMALE love is phony more often than not.
that id you are a woman your feelings are totally irrelevant to how the
guy feels(even if you don't like him and he does, you're STILL a jerk
loving whore)
<----------Sorry that sentence isn't totally clear. Maybe you are up the
food chain instead.
see, it works out the same way, and all i is is our hurt mind trying
to rationalize why we were rejected...
<-----Rejection isn't something to taunt someone over. Isn't it amazing
how women say not to fear rejection but then they abuse you with taunts
over it?
> that sex is the be-all and
>end-all of relationships,
Once again, I suspect you've always felt this way and are looking for
a reason to justify your feelings.
<-----Not at all true. I had said that I found true love. This is the
statement I made after my "true love" said essentially that this love for
her was worthless. It means that I am capable of true love, but that
without it, I can't love another (true love can't just be manufactured or
it is not true), so I am stuck pursuing other women for sex or being
alone. I'll take the sex with the other women, thank you.
>that the way your lover LOOKS determines your
>value as a man, and that you aren't allowed to love any woman who hasn't
>loved you back in the first place.
If you alow the way your mate looks to determine you manhood, that's
like allowing someone other than yourself to define your masculinity.
And if you do that, then you're just a piss poor sack of low
self-esteem.
<----------I was speaking "in character" as if I were a female. Did you
realize that? In fact, if you think those words convey a low
self-esteem, you have attacked WOMEN, because I was speaking as if I were
a woman, not myself. You seem to have missed that. Women make these
judgements all the time.
We're allowed to love whoever we want.
<-----I am too, unless her name is......exactly. I mean I'm ALLOWED to
love her, but still....it's a pain in the ass Sex is less complicated
without love.
And they in turn are allowed to either love/not love us. Give me an
example of a situation where you are not allowed to love a woman who
doesn't love you back.
<----Um, check USENET. I will not comment further on that here though.
Hell, I've fallen in love with women who didn't give two loose shits
about me,
and no one(trust me)no one was able to stop me from developing
feelings for them, and no one tried to make me the bad guy for giving
a damn about someone besides myself.
<----------Um, check USENET.
>I was about to get all mushy and romantic and defend the cause of true
>love, but then I realized that a License To Use Women For Sex™ isn't
such
>a bad alternative.
Once again. I suspect that you didn't have such a 'change of heart',
that in fact whatever happened to you, just served to reinforce
feelings that you didn't plan on changing. It's called rationalization
and here's and example for me:
<--------Oh, I had a change of heart when I met my "true love." Whereas
I try to seduce any other female I'm attracted to, I would not even so
much as kiss her if we were not married. I think that separates her from
the rest of the female population rather clearly. But fortunately, I
won't be marrying her so I have a LICENSE to seduce any other Fox. The
Foxes cannot say I am capable of true love, and they cannot say I don't
truly love her because I am not with her. You see, this is a Fox Trap:
you aren't with your true love, she wants you to forget your true love,
so she tells you that your true love isn't your true love. Bull. I know
who my true love is. But they say no, it's obsession. I say it's not an
obsession because I am perfectly aware that she is not in my life and not
likely to be in my life, at least romantically. That doesn't mean I "get
over her" because my feelings for her are the same whether or not I'm
with her, and it doesn't mean I sit around waiting for her. It means
that I pass time with sex with Foxes. And you know what? I think that
sex with Foxes or time with my "soulmate" are of approximately equal
value.
JP hates Statistics. he has no real intention of studying, Then one
day the proffessor bitches JP out about something and JP says to
himself "Hmmm, I was going to start trying harder in the class, but
since the profs such an ass, i won't"
<-----If you are talking about JP, who are you? And your attitude is
typical of why most people in this country are not going to make billions
on the internet and why I am.
What I've done in the above situation is pay lip service to somthing i
never actually plan to seriously pursue. But because I've rationalized
it, i can make myself think that I actually planned to change. Thsi is
what you're exibiting Ray.
<----------You are the one exhibiting illogical behavior because you are
acting like you can read my mind. You can't. I know my situation
inside-out. I wrote the damn book on seduction, for Christ's sake. The
book got a GREAT review from a woman who is an editor at a NYC pubishing
house. Jealous? That seems to be what you are showing. Why bother
responding? If as you say my words are so idiotic, it would be obvious
and people could ignore them.
>My true love can go fuck herself. I'm going out and picking up a
>stripper....
I though the whole Idea of 'Out Foxing the Foxes' was being able to
get women to give you a chance and to meet that true love. Could it be
that in fact OFtF is nothing but a masquarade for the same 'find a
warm hairy hole to shove my cock for the night' operations that plague
the internet?
<------------Outfoxing The Foxes is based on using your mind to get laid.
The reason that building a Fox Harem is considered the ideal has nothing
to do with ethics, but simply that this is the most difficult
achievement. If you can build a Fox Harem, you can do ANYTHING. You are
passing moral judgement on behavior; I am writing for a universal
audience. To do this successfully I have to take into account that my
book will be read by losers and Don Juans alike. Saying that marriage is
better than a one-night stand or vice versa would destroy a large
percentage of my market. I want EVERYONE to....um....BUY MY BOOK!!!!!
<------Shameless Plug!!!
Picking up a stripper. That sounds about right, you don't have to do
any real work, and you get that aforementioned warm hole.
<----My true love is welcome to date me any time she wishes. What's
that? She thinks I'm not worthy of her but the stripper wants to have
sex with me? You make the call. What would you do in this position: beg
your true love, or fuck the stripper. I'll fuck the stripper thank you.
But I thought that you were all about getting around the rules and
getting
women through more...respectable methods that pickinhg up sluts at a
stip joint. I'm truely disillusioned now...
<-------I am very respectful of the strippers I fuck, thank you. I tend
to pick them up by offering to choreograph them in return for their
practicing what they learn on me. Even trade. Is that a bad thing?
They know what I'm about and tend to respect HONESTY a great deal,
because most men are dishonest. They know damn well what guys think of
them. In fact, my book is going to include an "Interview With A Fox."
The Fox, of course, is a stripper.
Searching for a new hero,
JP
<-----I don't think there is any one hero. I think men should buy lots
of books (especially those published by ME), and learn everything they
can. I have bought at least 150 chess books in my life, most of which
cost approximately the same amount of money as my seduction book costs.
It's interesting to see what many "experts" say.
And you know what? How about we go mano a mano, with you writing your
book and pit it against mine. In fact, if yours is good enough, I'll
even publish it. I already have a few writers from USENET in mind for
publication if they want it. Frankly, I think we are so far ahead of
every other discussion group it's not even funny. That is because the
group is UNCENSORED.
<---At least give me credit for being man enough to answer you myself,
and not have some "spokesperson" for a buffer. I'm not self-important, I
don't have an ego, but I do have a point of view and a mission, and for
that I do not apologize.
Ray Gordon
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mgra...@my-dejanews.com
r__a____y...@juno.com (Outfoxing The Foxes) wrote:
<big snips, just like it deserves>
> <----------You are the one exhibiting illogical behavior because you are
> acting like you can read my mind. You can't. I know my situation
> inside-out. I wrote the damn book on seduction, for Christ's sake. The
> book got a GREAT review from a woman who is an editor at a NYC pubishing
> house. Jealous? That seems to be what you are showing. Why bother
> responding? If as you say my words are so idiotic, it would be obvious
> and people could ignore them.
>
I wrote the review and it wasn't a GREAT one, you stupid fuckwad. I told you
not to involve me in your posts in the future and you did. I asked you not
to contact me again and you did (the saga of The Returning Skunk?). Do you
have a problem with honoring requests?
Maggie Grainne
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erika...@my-dejanews.com
I wrote the damn book on seduction, for Christ's
sake. The book got a GREAT review from a woman
who is an editor at a NYC pubishing house.
Uh, huh. Whatever. Where the hell *is* it?
Hot air as usual, huh?
Erika
-------------------
Erika Green
Chicago, IL
Outfoxing The Foxes
> <----------You are the one exhibiting illogical behavior because you
are
> acting like you can read my mind. You can't. I know my situation
> inside-out. I wrote the damn book on seduction, for Christ's sake.
The
> book got a GREAT review from a woman who is an editor at a NYC
pubishing
> house. Jealous? That seems to be what you are showing. Why bother
> responding? If as you say my words are so idiotic, it would be obvious
> and people could ignore them.
>
I wrote the review and it wasn't a GREAT one, you stupid fuckwad.
<----Any review that says "Buy The Book" is great in my book. Okay, it
got a DECENT review. It did NOT get a negative review. Happy now?
I told you not to involve me in your posts in the future and you did. I
asked you not
to contact me again and you did (the saga of The Returning Skunk?). Do
you
have a problem with honoring requests?
<--------I had something to tell you. Sorry I didn't just e-mail you.
But you know what? You highlight a critical gender double-standard with
your conduct. Women violate such requests with impunity, but when a man
does it he's a jerk. Sure I don't have to tell you anything; and did I
contact you since? No. Let me also apologize once again for calling you
a fine lady. Whatever could I have been thinking!!!
Thank you for giving me a license to IGNORE women; those I will meet in
the future, and those I have met in the past. I forgot that men are
slaves to women socially; I really did. Usually I don't and follow my
book. You are a good example of what happens when I do not.
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>
> ---
> I wrote the damn book on seduction, for Christ's
> sake. The book got a GREAT review from a woman
> who is an editor at a NYC pubishing house.
>
> Uh, huh. Whatever. Where the hell *is* it?
>
> Hot air as usual, huh?
>
> Erika
>
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> Erika Green
> Chicago, IL
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Mike
erika...@my-dejanews.com wrote in article
<72v515$h23$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> ---
> I wrote the damn book on seduction, for Christ's
> sake. The book got a GREAT review from a woman
> who is an editor at a NYC pubishing house.
> ---
>
> Uh, huh. Whatever. Where the hell *is* it?
>
> Hot air as usual, huh?
I believe so.. I mean, if it was "so greatly renowned by the women in the
publishing house" they'd already have this book out.. *laughs*
Sally Heartmade
;>
Mike wrote:
>
> erika...@my-dejanews.com wrote in article
> <72v515$h23$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> > ---
> > I wrote the damn book on seduction, for Christ's
> > sake. The book got a GREAT review from a woman
> > who is an editor at a NYC pubishing house.
> > ---
> >
> > Uh, huh. Whatever. Where the hell *is* it?
> >
> > Hot air as usual, huh?
>
> I believe so.. I mean, if it was "so greatly renowned by the women in the
> publishing house" they'd already have this book out.. *laughs*
> >
> > Erika
> >
> > -------------------
> > Erika Green
> > Chicago, IL
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> >
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Thomas Doyle
What is the title and the ISBN number? This I have to see.
Thomas Doyle
erika...@my-dejanews.com
tdo...@rivverrats.net wrote:
> Ray actually published a book?
> What is the title and the ISBN number? This I have to see.
He hasn't. There IS no ISBN number, because there
is no book. He thinks that by yammering on about it,
people will think he's actually done something.
HAH!
C'mon Ray . . . . let's have that ISBN number!!
Mike
Sally Heartmade <jbuc...@erols.com> wrote in article
<36541D44...@erols.com>...
> Ray put his book to bed and it hasn't woken up yet.
> ;>
hehehe
mgra...@my-dejanews.com
r__a____y...@juno.com (Outfoxing The Foxes) wrote:
<snip>
> <--------I had something to tell you. Sorry I didn't just e-mail you.
> But you know what? You highlight a critical gender double-standard with
> your conduct. Women violate such requests with impunity, but when a man
> does it he's a jerk. Sure I don't have to tell you anything; and did I
> contact you since? No. Let me also apologize once again for calling you
> a fine lady. Whatever could I have been thinking!!!
I guess that places me in the categories of bitch, cunt, and whore, and the
other derogatory ways you address women in these forums.
> Thank you for giving me a license to IGNORE women; those I will meet in
> the future, and those I have met in the past. I forgot that men are
> slaves to women socially; I really did. Usually I don't and follow my
> book. You are a good example of what happens when I do not.
>
What's your neck measurement again?
Maggie Grainne
je...@exoticomm.com
MG> r__a____y...@juno.com (Outfoxing The Foxes) wrote:
MG><snip>
MG>> <--------I had something to tell you. Sorry I didn't just e-mail you.
MG>> But you know what? You highlight a critical gender double-standard with
MG>> your conduct. Women violate such requests with impunity, but when a man
MG>> does it he's a jerk. Sure I don't have to tell you anything; and did I
MG>> contact you since? No. Let me also apologize once again for calling you
MG>> a fine lady. Whatever could I have been thinking!!!
MG>I guess that places me in the categories of bitch, cunt, and whore, and the
MG>other derogatory ways you address women in these forums.
*It was only a matter of time , correct?
MA>>Thank you for giving me a license to IGNORE women; those I will meet
MA>in the future, and those I have met in the past. I forgot that men
MA>>in the future, and those I have met in the past. I forgot that men
MA>>are slaves to women socially; I really did. Usually I don't and
MA>>follow my book. You are a good example of what happens when I do
Ma>>not.
MA>What's your neck measurement again?
*ROFLMAO!
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Jekyl
mgra...@my-dejanews.com
<je...@exoticomm.com> wrote:
> MG>In article <19981118.152607.9078...@juno.com>,
> MG> r__a____y...@juno.com (Outfoxing The Foxes) wrote:
>
> MG><snip>
>
> MG>> <--------I had something to tell you. Sorry I didn't just e-mail you.
> MG>> But you know what? You highlight a critical gender double-standard with
> MG>> your conduct. Women violate such requests with impunity, but when a man
> MG>> does it he's a jerk. Sure I don't have to tell you anything; and did I
> MG>> contact you since? No. Let me also apologize once again for calling you
> MG>> a fine lady. Whatever could I have been thinking!!!
>
> MG>I guess that places me in the categories of bitch, cunt, and whore, and the
> MG>other derogatory ways you address women in these forums.
>
> *It was only a matter of time , correct?
Yeah, jekyl. At least there are some things you can count on.
>
> MA>>Thank you for giving me a license to IGNORE women; those I will meet
> MA>in the future, and those I have met in the past. I forgot that men
> MA>>in the future, and those I have met in the past. I forgot that men
> MA>>are slaves to women socially; I really did. Usually I don't and
> MA>>follow my book. You are a good example of what happens when I do
> Ma>>not.
>
> MA>What's your neck measurement again?
>
> *ROFLMAO!
I have something in mind during my shopping trip in Toronto this weekend.
Love that exchange rate!
>
> Jekyl
Maggie Grainne
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The Reverend Coyote Moon
From the desk of the Reverend Coyote Moon, High Priest of Dionysus...
> What's your neck measurement again?
Take Ray's IQ.
Wait, that would take him into single digits...hrm...I know his neck's
thicker than that...