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SURFGEO

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Oct 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/23/98
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there seems to be much ado about Foon's apparent (real or imagined) promotion
of his peers' horizontal approach to our sacred ritual of waveriding. i, for
one, am not affected. i respect the individuality of different religions, and
allow them to prosper as they will; however, i am fully non-convertible. Being
a faithful believer of Darwinism, it is my firm belief that advanced evolution
of homo-erectus led to the ultimate perfection of stand up surfing. there is
no geologic or anthropologic record of any primate that could be called
"homo-spongeous" or "homo-horizontous". Therefore, it is obvious that boogers
are a retro-evolutionary product, possibly linked to inferior genes or maybe
even a sick joke from some advanced alien life form who seeded our planet with
these vile creatures. (are there more bodyboarders near areas where crop
circles have been found??? hmmmmm....)

for those of you in a spiritual quandery who may need a bit of extra guidance
from time to time to help you retain your vertical faith, i offer this simple
song, sung to the tune of "Let it Be". Keep this near to your soul, and soon
you, like me, sandman, surffohio, ericgosurf, and many others, will be able to
withstand the perpetual bombardments of foondroppings, and will actually enjoy
reading them and respecting them while still remaining pure. Its like watching
and laughing at "Will and Grace". i like all the gay humor, its a darn funny
show, but it damn sure aint gonna alter my sexual appetite.

"Laying Down" (to the tune of "Let It Be")

When I find myself in seas of trouble, Father Foony comes to me
Speaking words of surfdom, laying down
I wake up to the sound of the breakers, Father Foony calls to me
Please come ride the ocean, laying down
Laying down, Laying down
Laying down, Laying down
Please come ride the ocean, laying down.

And if you hears this calling, of Father Foony luring you
Preaching words of surfdom, laying down
Thou must fend this evil, of Father Foony luring you
Waxing words of surfdom, laying down
Laying down, Laying down
Laying down, Laying down
Waxing words of surfdom, laying down.

(this is where you have to conger up the mental incarnation of pauls continuing
piano melody, followed by a tuneful burst of organ energy, capped by john
ripping on lead guitar)


And when surf is absent, there will be a swell that comes for thee
Seeking souls of surfdom, laying down
Don't toss out all thy surf wax, or put that leash upon thy wrist!
Dont become a speed bump, laying down!
Laying down, Laying down
Laying down, Laying down
Dont become a speed bump, laying down!

surfgeo "boogers are meant to be picked and discarded"

Ninth...@my-dejanews.com

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Oct 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/23/98
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In article <19981023085928...@ng17.aol.com>,
sur...@aol.com (SURFGEO) pontificated:

Therefore, it is obvious that boogers
> are a retro-evolutionary product, possibly linked to inferior genes or maybe
> even a sick joke from some advanced alien life form who seeded our planet with
> these vile creatures. (are there more bodyboarders near areas where crop
> circles have been found??? hmmmmm....)
>

You verticality bigots would die of disgust if you set foot on Foon's beach
around the first week of August. I was idly calculating how many
boogieboards were on the beach (140 blocks long) this year and the number I
came up with was ~6000.

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DDaniel

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Oct 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/23/98
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SURFGEO wrote:

> And if you hears this calling, of Father Foony luring you

<snip>

> Laying down, Laying down
> Dont become a speed bump, laying down!

Oh my God. You killed Foony. You Bastard.*

*with apologies to Kyle.


foon...@my-dejanews.com

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Oct 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/23/98
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sur...@aol.com (SURFGEO) wrote:

<snipped, actually thrashed>

Ok, folks, listen up, you will never see something like this again>

I've put up with the best and worst this group has to deliver. Been praised
and flamed by much better men than SurfGeo and have worn my good nature like
a cloak. But what SurfGeo has done to me here is as offensive as slinging a
racial slur into someone's face. Sure, belittle me, belittle the thing I love
to do and make fun of it all, but to use Music, second only to MrsFoon as
what I hold most dear in my life is....is....an Apostasy.

I'm amazed and flattered he would take the time and effort to compose such a
thing. Quite rightly I believe SurfGeo is a very smart and clever man. But
his bias runs deep and his willingness to use classical music to attack
someone who has never done anything to him other than claim to love
bodyboarding reveals a deep and pathological hatred that is awesome to
consider.

I've prided myself in the past for never being run out of this group for any
reason. I have defended the biggest kooks right to say whatever they want and
I still do. But SurfGeo's Ju-Ju is too powerful even for me to ignore and it
reinforces the fact that there is, and will always be a willingness to make
me the group's Surf-Piniata Du Jour. I thank everyone of you for being my
friend in the last 3 years, even SurfGeo and the other bodyboard bashers
who've made my stay fun, if not interesting. But there comes a point when the
chorus of "I get knocked down, but I get up again...." does not get sung.

Goodbye, it's been fun. I'll let SurfGeo's statement speak for itself.

surfgeo - "boogers are meant to be picked and discarded"

-Foon (I would have bet this day would never come.)

"Do not be afraid of defeat, you are never so close to victory as when
defeated in a good cause." -Henry Ward Beecher

"Everyone is a moon and has a dark side which he never shows to anybody."
-Mark Twain

SURFGEO

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Oct 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/23/98
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>Oh my God. You killed Foony. You Bastard.*
>
>*with apologies to Kyle.
>

no no daniel, i didnt kill Foony. dont you see? Foony is alive and well in
ALL of us. he exists and will continue to exist just as surely as diversity
will continue to exist in this great world of ours. dont you remember the
flintstones when freds good and bad alter egos would tug at his concience? the
one in red with horns and a pitchfork is Foony, the one with the halo is
surrfohio. its yen and yang, man, the true balance of nature. jb and carson
are the tazmanian devil that comes and goes in a whir and accomplishes nothing
but fucking everthing up and leaving us all to ponder "what the hell was
that?"

the next time you see lohn lovitz as the devil in an old SNL episode....thats
foony.

"yes virginia, there IS a santa clause..."
surfgeo

SurffOhio

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Oct 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/23/98
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>You verticality bigots would die of disgust if you set foot on Foon's beach
The Ninth Circle, ( some kind of warlock? ), wrote:

>around the first week of August. I was idly calculating how many
>boogieboards were on the beach (140 blocks long) this year and the number I
>came up with was ~6000.

Yes, Foon's tentacles have not only spread throughout alt.surfing, be he has
hypnotized many of the unaware in the OC area. He is somewhat of the yuppie
kingpin there, spreading anti-standup brainwashing.

Only the Sandman and I know of his ultimate plot. We must pray that the Sandman
can curb this monster.

You will find a new saying "I boogie board for fun." Ha! This is simply some
devious way of introducing boogie boarding to the unaware.

There are even t-shirts being sold in the OC area saying "I boogie board for
fun, and I don't care."

I am as old as Foon, and there's been many a time that I have almost succumbed
to boogie boarding. After fighting currents, whitewater and only getting two
rides within 4 hours I have looked longingly at a boogie board and was tempted
to just go out and catch a few waves. However, I stuck to my guns, rose to the
challenge, and am happy I did.

Surff

"Oh hail the Sandman. Savior of stand up surfing."

mike

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Oct 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/23/98
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foon...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
<70qfjq$q5i$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

>Goodbye, it's been fun.

I've seen this kind of thing before. Good people with good hearts who
have enough self-esteem that they don't require constant boasting about
themselves or degradation of others. Because they are modest, they often
engage in self-depricating humor. Others laugh with them and enjoy the
company of friendly, humble people. However, little (figuratively speaking)
or insecure people, lacking self-esteem and a feeling of self-worth, are
dumbfounded by these people who seem to be happy and at ease with with their
positions in life. The result is that the humble people sometimes become
the butt of jokes by the insecure. The insecure usually aren't being
malicious, they just don't recognize the harm they're doing.
Foon, you are obviously quite happy and comfortable with yourself. You
don't need to boast because you know that you are good. You offer balance
to a group of essentially good people who are occasionally chest-beating
blowhards. You have an uncanny ability to entertain and you would be sadly
missed if you left the group. Don't let the ignorance or mean-spiritedness
of a few drive you away.

Peace,
mike

Neal Miyake

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Oct 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/23/98
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SURFGEO wrote:
<snipped SURFGEO's diatribe against boogers and the very funny "Laying Down"
tune>

>surfgeo "boogers are meant to be picked and discarded"

Only a "sponger" knows the feeling.

sponge
HI Surf Advisory (http://www.iav.com/~sponge)

KR

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Oct 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/23/98
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>>Goodbye, it's been fun.

When I first came to this group I was fortunate enough to come on a day that
Foon had posted a "dropping". I thought it was great. Not knowing who Foon
was, I sorted all the messages by author and read the other droppings. That
is what got my hooked to alt.surfing. I am entertained by the characters of
jb, carson and the other sybils of the group but it is the stories that make
alt.surfing worthwhile. And Foon's stories in particular.
So, Foon, I hope you didn't mean it.
KR


nohitter

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Oct 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/23/98
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foon...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
<70qfjq$q5i$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> sur...@aol.com (SURFGEO) wrote:
>
> <snipped, actually thrashed>
>
> Ok, folks, listen up, you will never see something like this again>

**** snippity - snip ****

>Goodbye, it's been fun. I'll let SurfGeo's statement speak for itself.
>

>-Foon (I would have bet this day would never come.)
>
>"Do not be afraid of defeat, you are never so close to victory as when
>defeated in a good cause." -Henry Ward Beecher
>
>"Everyone is a moon and has a dark side which he never shows to anybody."
>-Mark Twain
>

**** Say it ain't so......Foon..... *****

nohitter

Lckahuna

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Oct 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/23/98
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First my beloved Padres swept by Yankees now Foon dropping out. Need prayers to
St. Jude patron saint of lost causes. This is a bad week
LC

Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes
Henry David Thoreau

SURFGEO

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Oct 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/23/98
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>>surfgeo "boogers are meant to be picked and discarded"
>
>Only a "sponger" knows the feeling.
>

again, neal displays a very mature attitude, and doesnt take it seriously.
this is a newsgroup, folks, not real life. foon is undoubtedly the most gifted
creative writer in this post, and his posts keep us ALL amused. but if he
takes his ball and goes home, then he is admitting that he has no juevos and is
a big baby.

geez, guys, all i was doing was trying to get nominated for the "post with the
most impact and/or influence" of the year award. and if my little bucket of
water causes the great, almighty foon to melt like the wicked witch of the
west, then i am the hands-down shoe-in to win the award. now, is foon going to
be man enough NOT to pout in the corner and show everyone that my little prose
cant run him off? if so, then i shall humbly defer the honor to the next
runner up. my bet is that he is just blowing foonbubbles. lighten up,
dude.

surfgeo
(getting my 15 seconds of fame in)

D&M

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Oct 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/23/98
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KR wrote:
>
> >>Goodbye, it's been fun.

<snip>

DITTO!! I've been lurking in this group for maybe 2 months and I have
seen Clare, Gleshna, and now FOON ran out of the group. This is a sad
day.

donna

Tim

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Oct 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/23/98
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On Fri, 23 Oct 1998 15:08:44 -0400, "KR" <kra...@shoreNOSPAM.net>
wrote:

> >>Goodbye, it's been fun.
>

I think that must go for just about all of us.

A couple of days ago I wrote that being aggressive to others on the
group was a waste of time, but I'm very willing to make an exception
in Surfgeo's case.

- Tim

Tim

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Oct 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/23/98
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OK, Surfgeo, listen up.

You wrote:

> >>surfgeo "boogers are meant to be picked and discarded"
> >
> >Only a "sponger" knows the feeling.
> >
>
> again, neal displays a very mature attitude, and doesnt take it seriously.
> this is a newsgroup, folks, not real life. foon is undoubtedly the most gifted
> creative writer in this post, and his posts keep us ALL amused. but if he
> takes his ball and goes home, then he is admitting that he has no juevos and is
> a big baby.

Interpretation: anyone who you choose to pick on should have to defend
themselves constantly from sniping from the likes of you. And if they
choose to duck out from your antics theyre not worth it at all? I
don't think so.
What makes you think that anyone should have to descend to your level?

> geez, guys, all i was doing was trying to get nominated for the "post with the
> most impact and/or influence" of the year award.

You succeeded. Very badly.

>.....and if my little bucket of


> water causes the great, almighty foon to melt like the wicked witch of the
> west, then i am the hands-down shoe-in to win the award. now, is foon going to
> be man enough NOT to pout in the corner and show everyone that my little prose
> cant run him off? if so, then i shall humbly defer the honor to the next
> runner up. my bet is that he is just blowing foonbubbles. lighten up,
> dude.
>
> surfgeo
> (getting my 15 seconds of fame in)

15 seconds of fame? No - several more than 15 seconds of infamy.

Surfgeo, you haven't been on the group for all that long, you post 11
messages today, four of which have Foon's name in the title. If you
had stopped for a moment you might have realised just how ridiculous
you were.

In your 12th effort, you haven't even got the nerve to apologise.

Know that your posts haven't exactly endeared you to the group.

I suggest that you post an apology, because the alternative is for you
to be ranked by the whole group alongside those children who aren't
man enough to admit when they've made mistakes. And believe me, you
have.


- Tim
karma disturbed

--
"All the work we do, psychologically and spiritually,
is not meant to get rid of the waves in the oceans
of life, but for us to learn how to surf." Ken Wilber

Sandman

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Oct 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/23/98
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foon...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
>
> Goodbye, it's been fun. I'll let SurfGeo's statement speak for itself.
>

Foon, you're like a girl I knew when I was younger;
she'd tell me I'm an ass, inconsiderate, inconsistent,
and going nowhere with my life. Funny thing, when the
sun went down, there she was at my front door...

you'll be back, Bitch

Sandman

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Oct 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/23/98
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don't shed a tear there, honey
all those bitchs will be back

sure as I'm the Sandman
http://www.seanet.com/~lost/

D&M wrote:


>
> KR wrote:
> >
> > >>Goodbye, it's been fun.
>

Sandman

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Oct 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/23/98
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sit down you hypocritical bitch <WHACK>
get me a beer before I send you to ASL

WillDaBeast

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Oct 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/23/98
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hey what happened to the rest of your site? it used to suck, but not this
bad....

WillDaBeast

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Oct 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/23/98
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foon, you are probably the best writer on the group.....don't let some redneck
run you off, you better be fucking with us all....

foon...@my-dejanews.com wrote:

> sur...@aol.com (SURFGEO) wrote:
>
> <snipped, actually thrashed>
>
> Ok, folks, listen up, you will never see something like this again>
>

> I've put up with the best and worst this group has to deliver. Been praised
> and flamed by much better men than SurfGeo and have worn my good nature like
> a cloak. But what SurfGeo has done to me here is as offensive as slinging a
> racial slur into someone's face. Sure, belittle me, belittle the thing I love
> to do and make fun of it all, but to use Music, second only to MrsFoon as
> what I hold most dear in my life is....is....an Apostasy.
>
> I'm amazed and flattered he would take the time and effort to compose such a
> thing. Quite rightly I believe SurfGeo is a very smart and clever man. But
> his bias runs deep and his willingness to use classical music to attack
> someone who has never done anything to him other than claim to love
> bodyboarding reveals a deep and pathological hatred that is awesome to
> consider.
>
> I've prided myself in the past for never being run out of this group for any
> reason. I have defended the biggest kooks right to say whatever they want and
> I still do. But SurfGeo's Ju-Ju is too powerful even for me to ignore and it
> reinforces the fact that there is, and will always be a willingness to make
> me the group's Surf-Piniata Du Jour. I thank everyone of you for being my
> friend in the last 3 years, even SurfGeo and the other bodyboard bashers
> who've made my stay fun, if not interesting. But there comes a point when the
> chorus of "I get knocked down, but I get up again...." does not get sung.
>

> Goodbye, it's been fun. I'll let SurfGeo's statement speak for itself.
>

> surfgeo - "boogers are meant to be picked and discarded"


>
> -Foon (I would have bet this day would never come.)
>
> "Do not be afraid of defeat, you are never so close to victory as when
> defeated in a good cause." -Henry Ward Beecher
>
> "Everyone is a moon and has a dark side which he never shows to anybody."
> -Mark Twain
>
> >
>

Napalm Ž

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Oct 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/24/98
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Foonbuggy's not going anywhere. Except maybe on holiday.

He is addicted to alt.surfing.

Mr. Douglas F. Klee

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Oct 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/24/98
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"Goodbye, it's been fun"......that's all we get ? Christ do I feel
cheap. Foon say it ain't so !!
Dug

Mr. Douglas F. Klee

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Oct 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/24/98
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Foon,
if you leave the magots win..suck it up. Intelligence (sp?) will
prevail.
Dug

johnw

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Oct 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/24/98
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foon...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> sur...@aol.com (SURFGEO) wrote:
>
> <snipped, actually thrashed>
>
> Ok, folks, listen up, you will never see something like this again>

I just read this and it really really sucks. Foon, don't let the
assholes get to you. You're having more fun than they are!!!

-johnw

(if some recent entrant into alt.surfing forces Foon out, this newsgroup
is going the wrong way totally.)

johnw

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Oct 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/24/98
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Sandman wrote:

>
> you'll be back, Bitch

You sound like you're praying he'll be back.

Bitch.

-johnw

Mr. Douglas F. Klee

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Oct 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/24/98
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I missed the original offering leading to foon's demise. Can someone
email/post surfgeo's comments. Thanks

Dug

Mr. Douglas F. Klee

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Oct 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/24/98
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Sandman wrote on Fri, 23 Oct 1998 16:02:15 -0700:

>
> sit down you hypocritical bitch <WHACK>
> get me a beer before I send you to ASL

young..dumb and full of shit

Tom Keener

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Oct 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/24/98
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On 23 Oct 1998 12:59:28 GMT, sur...@aol.com (SURFGEO) wrote:

>there seems to be much ado about Foon

All right. Now you've done it. You asshole. You ignoramus. You
rude, inconsiderate, mean, spiteful, jerk. You are a miserable excuse
for a human being. Nay, you are not human. You are more akin to a
foul scum-sucking worm, or even the putrid mold that lives off the
rotting smegma on the festering cock of a dead walrus that's been in a
pile of fly-ridden seaweed for eons.

You just had to insult Foon, didn't you? Why? What did he ever do to
offend you? Perhaps it's his ability to put more than two words
together and communicate a coherent thought, something that most
cretins on this group seem incapable of doing. Perhaps you were paid
to do it, in which case your moral turpitude knows no bounds. Are you
just a sadistic moron who likes to poke fun at others for the fun of
it? Did you stick pins in little animals when you were young? Do you
like to swing cats by their tails?

If you have driven Foon away by your scurrilous drivel, you will be
damned forever. You will never ride a wave over 6" again, and you
will pearl on every takeoff. Your trunks will fall to your ankles
every time you try to stand and your shriveled penis will be revealed
to all, who will guffaw at your kookdom.

You WILL apologize to Foon, now!

Or I will get mad. And you don't want me to get mad, now do you?

Tom Keener
keensurf_at_cts_dot_com

johnw

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Oct 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/24/98
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SurffOhio wrote:

>
> You will find a new saying "I boogie board for fun." Ha! This is simply some
> devious way of introducing boogie boarding to the unaware.

Now you're starting to sound like SURFGEOLD. See a doctor.



>
> I am as old as Foon, and there's been many a time that I have almost succumbed

Well la-dee-da.

-johnw

DDaniel

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Oct 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/24/98
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Sandman wrote:

> Foon, you're like a girl I knew when I was younger;
> she'd tell me I'm an ass, inconsiderate, inconsistent,
> and going nowhere with my life. Funny thing, when the
> sun went down, there she was at my front door...

She had too. It was her house. She was your mother dude.


DDaniel

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Oct 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/24/98
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Before it happened, I warned ya when I posted "Oh my God. You killed Foony. You
Bastard."
Looks like it's too late.

SURFGEO wrote:

> >>surfgeo "boogers are meant to be picked and discarded"
> >
> >Only a "sponger" knows the feeling.
> >
>
> again, neal displays a very mature attitude, and doesnt take it seriously.
> this is a newsgroup, folks, not real life. foon is undoubtedly the most gifted
> creative writer in this post, and his posts keep us ALL amused. but if he
> takes his ball and goes home, then he is admitting that he has no juevos and is
> a big baby.
>

> geez, guys, all i was doing was trying to get nominated for the "post with the

> most impact and/or influence" of the year award. and if my little bucket of

jb

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On Fri, 23 Oct 1998 15:48:10 -0700, Sandman <lo...@seanet.com> wrote:
> foon...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > Goodbye, it's been fun. I'll let SurfGeo's statement speak for itself.
> >
>
> Foon, you're like a girl I knew when I was younger;
> she'd tell me I'm an ass, inconsiderate, inconsistent,
> and going nowhere with my life. Funny thing, when the
> sun went down, there she was at my front door...
>
> you'll be back, Bitch


I too would like to echo the same emotional words as that of the
Sandman's ... You'll be back, Bitch.

And remember, this is just ASCII text in a forum. "Sticks and stones
... blah, blah, blah ..."

Actually, I think the ol'Foon is actually Neal who is actually
SurffOhio!

- jb (200lbs of breath taking surf muscle)

jb

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Oct 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/24/98
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On 23 Oct 1998 21:05:37 GMT, sur...@aol.com (SURFGEO) wrote:
> >>surfgeo "boogers are meant to be picked and discarded"
> >
> >Only a "sponger" knows the feeling.
> >
>
> again, neal displays a very mature attitude, and doesnt take it seriously.
> this is a newsgroup, folks, not real life. foon is undoubtedly the most gifted
> creative writer in this post, and his posts keep us ALL amused. but if he
> takes his ball and goes home, then he is admitting that he has no juevos and is
> a big baby.
>
> geez, guys, all i was doing was trying to get nominated for the "post with the
> most impact and/or influence" of the year award.

That honor goes to jb. You are out of your league.

- jb (200lbs of a zillion followups surf muscle)


SurffOhio

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Oct 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/24/98
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Sandman wrote:

>Sandman wrote:
>
>> Foon, you're like a girl I knew when I was younger;
>> she'd tell me I'm an ass, inconsiderate, inconsistent,
>> and going nowhere with my life. Funny thing, when the
>> sun went down, there she was at my front door...
>

>She had too. It was her house. She was your mother dude.

Daniel, I've noticed that you have flamed the Sandman using his wife and
mother. No matter what I thought of someone, I wouldn't do that. You can be
more creative?

Surff

DDaniel

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SurffOhio (pulling his nose out of Sandyman's backdoor for a few seconds)
wrote:

I don't know. Does he have a daughter?


Bonzer

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foon...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
<70qfjq$q5i$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

>I've prided myself in the past for never being run out of this group for
any
>reason. I have defended the biggest kooks right to say whatever they want
and
>I still do. But SurfGeo's Ju-Ju is too powerful even for me to ignore and
it
>
Come on Foon!

I only just now caught on to this thread, and It's troubling!

I will never forget my initial forays into this ng as a newbie. A few
spurred me on in spite of my sacrilegious portrayal of the ultimate pimp . .
. shill . . . kook . . . grom . . . barney . . . etc. etc. etc.

In spite of the fact that I got worked . . . big time, held down 'till I saw
bursting lights.

You, Surff, and yes even the original SM (of whom I am now very confused as
to a current identity . . . such confusion no doubt plays well into his
overall scheme which I hope to uncover in the next life) held me in place.
Encouraged me. Inspired me. To see the big picture, not the petty.

I don't take this stuff personal. Never have. But only 'cause I don't share
your obvious passion. I was distracted by other ventures that tapped my
inspiration. I left off the fine fight. I can't run with the bulls right
now.

But, I look for you to run for me!

You are germane to this group. Entertaining, thoughtful, and soulful.

I see you as Joe (VS the Volcano). But without the lack of hope. You have
direction. Your rotating lamp shines in the lines drifting in from the next
hurricane.

Your lamp shines in the eyes of those who contract the contagious disease
you carry, the worth of living life to the full whatever the endeavor. Your
lamp shines in the eyes of those that understand life and what makes it
worth living!

In short, and you have rhythm my friend, as any good drummer must. Rhythm
enough to play a stadium? Not! But to find and carry the beat of life, the
only rhythm that really matters.

Don't blow your lead! In the battle of the bands, you win hands down.
Period.

Pick up the beat dude. Pound it strong. We are losing our way here . . .
bring us back.

Bonz
"the best surfer is the one who carries the beat"

Napalm Ž

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Deniel

You flame as well as you surf.

i.e. You suck.

Give it up and post something worthwhile.

Napalm

Sir Ffreaks

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foon...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> sur...@aol.com (SURFGEO) wrote:
>
> <snipped, actually thrashed>
>
> Ok, folks, listen up, you will never see something like this again>...
>
I have been pondering this post in my mind for months. The final
message. There have been fights; there has been spam; there have been
frauds; there have been mindless conversations; and there has been
Foondoggy. This last thing is the only thing that has kept me reading
this sorry excuse for a newsgroup. Two or three years ago... hell... a
month ago, this newsgroup was more organized, welcoming, and on-topic
than ANY newsgroup. If foondoggy is gone, then I urge all of you to
leave hear for a better place before the memory is replaced with utter
CRAP...
Trav

Tauras

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Sir Ffreaks wrote in message <36338646...@cyberia.com>...

Love to but surfzup... opps winds blowing make dat surfsailing ;)

Oct 25 9 AM NW 320 degrees 21kn g27kn 12.5 ft 17 sec WNW
Swell

cya...

Tauras
http://www.slonet.org/~tsulaiti/

theodore

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SurffOhio wrote:
>
> >He's right. This is not alt.foon.
> >
> >I like Foon. But Foon chooses the Foon path.
> >
> >By the way: You do not announce you are quitting a newsgroup. You just don't
> >come back.
>
> Garmivia wrote:
>
> >He's right. This is not alt.foon.
> >
> >I like Foon. But Foon chooses the Foon path.
> >
> >By the way: You do not announce you are quitting a newsgroup. You just don't
> >come back.
>
> Excellent point. I miss John Airey's posts. He quit posting due to all the
> "noise." However, he didn't make an issue out of it. We just didn't hear from
> him again.
>
> I guess some people could start alt.cult.Foondoggy, and plot SurfGeo's demise.
> However, I know that most of you people could post some great stuff, so why not
> do it? I like the realisitic stories of what you folks do. Mike G's story about
> his promotion and his day at the Inlet was great.
>
> Foon was a good guy, and you probably liked his "fireside chats." He brought
> his family values to the group, along with some moralistic stories. However, I
> think he got a bit hard up for material as time went on. The Outer Banks story
> seemed to bomb out. It's really not easy to keep the "soap opera" aspect of
> alt.surfing going.
>
> Take a look at some of the original posters in this group. Tim Maddux, Leo
> Dagum, Will B., Tom Tweed and John4Surf are a few. They never did get much into
> the "soap opera" aspect of alt.surfing. They mostly continued with surf reports
> and posts strictly related to surfing.
>
> I think they are laughing at us now. :-)
>
> But that doesn't mean some of you guys can't carry on with good stories about
> your personal lives and how they are intertwined with surfing. I love to hear
> them.
>
> "Don't feed off me!!".......Cool Hand Luke
>
> Surff
>
> Btw, there's no reason to write these posts like Foon's not reading them. Hi
> Foon. Do you need time to go off and "gather yourself" before returning to
> alt.surfing?

While I can't speak for foon, I think he's just a bit surfed out after a
heavy session. Maybe he just needs a cat nap.

Lemming

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Sir Ffreaks wrote:
>
> foon...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >
> > sur...@aol.com (SURFGEO) wrote:
> >
> > <snipped, actually thrashed>
> >
> > Ok, folks, listen up, you will never see something like this again>...
> >
> I have been pondering this post in my mind for months. The final
> message. There have been fights; there has been spam; there have been
> frauds; there have been mindless conversations; and there has been
> Foondoggy. This last thing is the only thing that has kept me reading
> this sorry excuse for a newsgroup.

well fuck-you very much
you can go home too

In fact anybody else out there don't like
alt.surfing now that your precious Foondoggy
is gone, you'all can clear out now. RIGHT NOW

theres a NEW sheriff in town and it's me...
I'm sick and tired of this newsgroup being
ran by buerocrats, incompetents and spongers.

Yuppies, wave skiers, and bed-wetters are
no longer welcome. From now on this newsgroup
will be a Petri Dish for the likes of surf
writers like JB, Carson, VMXLD, and Sandman.
Up and coming legends like SURFGEO, MV24fps and Napalm
will be encouraged and nurtured. SurffOhio will
handle the the traitors. The PC Yuppie reign
is OVER. We have hacked the head off of the
demon and his name is Foondoggy...

Let us continue our march!

Lemming

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Oct 25, 1998, 2:00:00 AM10/25/98
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SURFGEO wrote:
>
> >If foondoggy is gone, then I urge all of you to
> >leave hear for a better place before the memory is replaced with utter
> >CRAP...
> >Trav
> i know i said i was done with this thread, but this is just insipid. now
> this will be my last word...---...
> so all the other posts on lately are all pure crap? this is not alt.foon.
> foon is a gifted writer, and a stoked wave man. he will be back. quitters
> never win, and winners never quit. he "quit" after my one and only post that
> was aimed at him. am i that powerful? i doubt it. A Quick Course of Logic
> 101: if Foon is the almighty deity of this group, and if i can make him quit
> with ONE post (and a rather benign one at that) about a STUPID SONG, then,
> since you all admit to being lesser men than Foon, then i can should be able to
> make any one of you quit with only a partial post. get real people. that
> aint reality. to think that any single individual is greater than the whole of
> this group is totally assinine. it may be less colorful without him, but it
> will survive, if i thought he would quit because of my harmless words, maybe i
> wouldnt have done it. MAYBE. there are a lot of you out there that are a
> pathetic sort, and fortunately a whole lot more that are a bit more sane.
> those of you who are crying about foon are the types that will follow lemmings
> over a cliff.

I demand an apology ;-)

the king is Dead!
Long Live the King!

SURFGEO

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over a cliff. pack your bags people, i think Foon is steering a starship this
way, he will beam you up and take you all to a better newsgroup far, far away.
get your arsenic potion ready.

surfgeo (invincible, dauntless crosser of invisible lines)

SurffOhio

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Oct 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/26/98
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>If foondoggy is gone, then I urge all of you to
>leave hear for a better place before the memory is replaced with utter
>CRAP...
>Trav

I've read good stories from you, Trav, so what's this all about?

There's plenty of good people on alt.surfing that have great tales.

Another one from you would be fine.

Surff


SurffOhio

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SurffOhio

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Surff wrote:

>Btw, there's no reason to write these posts like Foon's not reading them. Hi
>Foon. Do you need time to go off and "gather yourself" before returning to
>alt.surfing?

I sent this post before I added this. Kooked out as usual.

I will sorely miss Foonster. He was my east coast connection. I surfed in the
same spot that he did ( Indian River), and even surfed in front of his condo
once without knowing that he lived there.

He had the east coast, family value, sand dune soul surfing beingness that I
loved. We both had the same feelings about the Carolinas, and a lot of other
things in common.

I'm sure he's sitting there rooting for Doug Flutie right now. :-)

However, Foon my man, cut the crap. Like jb said, it's just ASCII text.

Surff

Timothy B. Maddux

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In article <19981025195810...@ng31.aol.com>,

MV24fps <mv2...@aol.comXXXXXXXX> wrote:
>By the way: You do not announce you are quitting
>a newsgroup. You just don't come back.

Yes! I was thinking the same thing myself,
but as these kinds of meta-threads (posts
to the NG solely about the people who post
to them) really bore me I wasn't going to
participate. But what the heck, MV24fps is
so dead on right.

We could also do with less of the "nyah, I've
just killfiled you" petulancy and trolls like
the one that started this thread, which I believe
SURFGEO explained as some sort of attempt to
win an award for posts with impact. Hate to
break it to ya, but it was just a tired "spongers
suck" troll.

Hopefully my last meta-post for a long while...
--
.-``'. Tim Maddux, Ocean Engineering Lab, UCSB
.` .`~ Santa Barbara Surfing - http://www.cs.ucsb.edu/~tbmaddux/
_.-' '._ "The waves, as always, hold the more insidious addiction."

Roderick Rodgers

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On Fri, 23 Oct 1998, Neal Miyake wrote:

> SURFGEO wrote:
> <snipped SURFGEO's diatribe against boogers and the very funny "Laying Down"
> tune>


>
> >surfgeo "boogers are meant to be picked and discarded"
>
> Only a "sponger" knows the feeling.
>

> sponge
> HI Surf Advisory (http://www.iav.com/~sponge)

I interpreted this to mean that boogie boarders, paipo riders, and kneelos
had been "picked," like in "chosen" for those tight, majestic tubular
swells to be later "discarded," or "spit from the vortex." So it has been
for many waverider.

Rod Rodgers
e-mail: rrod...@bcpl.net

Surfing Vancouver Island

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On Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:12:54 -0500, in alt.surfing you wrote:

> I have been pondering this post in my mind for months. The final
>message. There have been fights; there has been spam; there have been
>frauds; there have been mindless conversations; and there has been
>Foondoggy. This last thing is the only thing that has kept me reading

>this sorry excuse for a newsgroup. Two or three years ago... hell... a
>month ago, this newsgroup was more organized, welcoming, and on-topic

>than ANY newsgroup. If foondoggy is gone, then I urge all of you to


>leave hear for a better place before the memory is replaced with utter
>CRAP...
>Trav

Trav
alt.surfing moves with ebbs and tides. Right now the tides out
and the effluent pipe is spilling all over the place.

The fools with their idle banter will wear themselves out and
eventually be replaced by others. I use a Free Agent
newsreader and click an "ignore thread" button on
deteriorating threads. I end up filtering about 50% of the
postings lately. I manually ignore about 50% of what's left
after reading a few short words.

I don't pretend to know or speak for Foon, but my best guess
is that he is rattling the proverbial alt.surfing cage. There
is a whack of mindless diatribe in this group lately. Petty
barbs sent back and forth, with no hope of gain or an end.
There is a long list of posters that see the likes of T-bone's
latest persona come swaggering into town and get
uncontrollably excited. None of them have the creativity to
sustain original entertaining flame war so they just go round
and round with the same old tired shit. Even T-bone knew he
should kill JB some time ago, but like a sitcom that falls in
love with its own pretence, he brought JB back and began to go
through the same old motions. In fairness I read JB's posting today
"last wave" and see no inkling of the old JB.
Good morf T-bone, a welcome evoloution.

I hope Foon continues to post. He is the most prolific writer
in the NG, and although he is not above banter and the
occasional barb (like us all), his stories add a great balance
to this NG.

Last year mid winter alt.surfing had deteriorated into a very
similar state to what it is now. Foon posted "The Last Good
Wave" and within a few short hours the bullshit postings
stopped. I pointed out to Foon that the power of Joe's story,
I thought, had brought his readers in touch with their own
mortality. It's hard to stay interested in bullshit after
you've being grounded.

Getting grounded is why I paddle out into overhead beach
break. The rides can be amassing or non-existent, but the
focus, the mental state, the relationship with the ocean and
what it does for my head, is what gets me back out there
decade after decade.

Foon isn't alt.surfing. He's just one of the parts that makes
it good.
Cam


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Surfing Vancouver Island

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At 06:24 hrs. 98-10-26 -0800, thresher <thres...@zzz.com> wrote:
>Surfing Vancouver Island wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>I think foon is tired of all the flamings around here. If all you have
>to post is this nonsense about foon, I don't want to read your posts.
>
>
I know foon is tired of all the flamings around here.
I see only one post by you in the alt.surfing consisting of "fuck off
assbite".
I can see how my post might cut a little too close to the mark for
you.

Try being constructive or take your own advice.
Cam

PS criticism from a false e-mail address marks you as a coward

Steve

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Oct 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/27/98
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My take-

I do not know either of these guys, but as it is always pointed out here, this is a
virtual lineup or a pseudo parking lot at your favorite break. You like some
people for certain reasons and you dislike others-- Period. In the water you can
paddle away or go to a different peak. In the parking lot you can drift off or
split entirely. But here you have the option of never hearing or seeing someone by
refusing to click next to that persons name.

You can not deny that this song took some time, effort and is damn funny, just you
can not deny that Foon comes across as a right-on kind of guy that would be fun to
have on a surf trip. ( even though hes a sponger)

"its better to be looked over, than over looked"

Pray4Surf,

Steve from El Porto

SURFGEO wrote: "Laying Down" (to the tune of "Let It Be")

> When I find myself in seas of trouble, Father Foony comes to me
> Speaking words of surfdom, laying down
> I wake up to the sound of the breakers, Father Foony calls to me
> Please come ride the ocean, laying down
> Laying down, Laying down
> Laying down, Laying down
> Please come ride the ocean, laying down.
>
> And if you hears this calling, of Father Foony luring you
> Preaching words of surfdom, laying down
> Thou must fend this evil, of Father Foony luring you
> Waxing words of surfdom, laying down
> Laying down, Laying down
> Laying down, Laying down
> Waxing words of surfdom, laying down.
>
> (this is where you have to conger up the mental incarnation of pauls continuing
> piano melody, followed by a tuneful burst of organ energy, capped by john
> ripping on lead guitar)
>
> And when surf is absent, there will be a swell that comes for thee
> Seeking souls of surfdom, laying down
> Don't toss out all thy surf wax, or put that leash upon thy wrist!
> Dont become a speed bump, laying down!
> Laying down, Laying down
> Laying down, Laying down
> Dont become a speed bump, laying down!

Napalm Ž

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Surfing Vancouver Island wrote...

<nuked>

>I hope Foon continues to post. He is the most prolific writer
>in the NG, and although he is not above banter and the
>occasional barb (like us all), his stories add a great balance
>to this NG.


I too hope that Foon continues to post - he is a gifted writer and many
people on this group enjoy his work.

That said, let's clear up that not everyone hangs on to this group waiting
for Foondoggy's next entry. To be honest I seldom read beyond the first
paragraph of Foon's posts, and perhaps read the full post 1 out of 10 times
*only* if it something in the opening catches my eye. Don't flame me now and
tell me I'm a dick and Foon's a greater writer than I could ever hope to be.
We all post to this group with interest interests - I prefer the "technical"
threads to the "narrative" ones.

I also probably read no more than 1 out of every 10 "surf report" posted -
which some posters to this group seem to think are vital for the survival of
alt.surfing (judging by the round of congratulatory posts that go up after
each surf report - and the "what happened to the great session reports that
we used to get in the old days" whines). I go through and mark them all as
read. I have absolutely f/a interest in how the surf at so-and-so spot was
today and how long its been since that person last surfed. I'm not trying to
flame those guys for posting surf reports, because clearly many people on
this NG enjoy them. What I am trying to point out is that each person on
this group enjoys different aspects of it - and it's *not* all Foonpostings
and Surf Reports.

Unfortunately of the good technical threads that do crop up, some of these
relate to longboarding, and many are US specific which limits my
participation.

Napalm

MickJEvans

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Oct 28, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/28/98
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Steve wrote ::

>>You can not deny that this song took some time, effort and is damn funny,
just you
>>can not deny that Foon comes across as a right-on kind of guy that would be
fun to
>>have on a surf trip. ( even though hes a sponger)


I agree, The song is quite clever and resulted in that damn tune getting
stuck in my head for the rest of the evening. You're right about Foon too, I
spent a virtual evening with him last night - it's pretty easy, anyone can do
it at www.dejanews.com. Just search for FoonDoggy, click on a message authored
by him, then click on author profile and you'll see that he's posted to
alt.surfing about 1400 times, click on alt.surfing and you can browse his posts
and wallow in Foonaucity.
This guy stands out from the rest of us, we're a pretty rag tag bunch, we
have single issue guys like me, step on my sensitive kayaker toes, or ask about
Surfer's Ear or river bores and that's about the only time you'll hear from me.
Then we have the flamers, some of these guys are real, some not. Then here's
the question and answer guys. Very few of us dare to put ourselves into our
posts, to expose our soft underbellies if you will - Foon does - that also
makes him more vunerable.
I've noticed a few things in my chosen sports - the guys that shred, do so
quietly and humbly - it's the gups, gremmies, wannabes and gonnabes that make
all the noise, elevating their lack of skill by finding a sub group to shrilly
harsh on.
Come back Foon..................

Mick Evans

Mr. Douglas F. Klee

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Oct 28, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/28/98
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Foon...you mean this is it..

This dribble is why your bailing ? Come on, your stones are bigger then
that..besides it is kinda creative.
Dug

SurffOhio

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Napalm wrote:

>That said, let's clear up that not everyone hangs on to this group waiting
>for Foondoggy's next entry. To be honest I seldom read beyond the first
>paragraph of Foon's posts, and perhaps read the full post 1 out of 10 times
>*only* if it something in the opening catches my eye.

Interesting. I too was only reading a couple of paragraphs of his posts over
the last year or so. I would read the first one and then skip down to another
one.

No offence intended, Foon. I liked your earlier posts the best, as I have said
before.

Surff

Lemming Wear®

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Oct 28, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/28/98
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This is a very good point. Ditto here for Foon posts. They began
to all sound the same and run togethher. Neal is another example.
They are mostly the same so hence, I don't hang on every paragraph
or post for that matter. Nothing against Foon or Neal. It's hard, hard
work being creative on demand. No money to boot. I have it on strict
confidense, thats why the Sandman stopped posting stories. He thought
that his
stuff began to sound the same. So he stopped. I have the feeling that
he'll resume as soon as he is motivated enough to whip up something
new, at least in his mind. Very good point.

Lemming Wear®

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Dear Douglas K Flea

dont' worry, I'll bet Foonboogy has
"the return of Foondoogie" all written
and is making edits right now.

Stop being silly

Eric

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Oct 28, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/28/98
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When I found this group 5 or 6 months ago, I devoured everything on it, and now,
primarely to time constraints and interests,know what I prefer. I did read a good
one from Foon, and then by accident found the foondroppings site,
( which is maintained by Ric or Cam ? I forget ) but anyways have read most all of
his stories. As I told Foon myself, I had both bellylaughs and tears as a result
of them. I mean, " The Last Wave "...man that was beautiful. I have a visual in my
mind of that dude just cruisin that section of that wave and putting his arms
behind his back. It was a powerful statement.

But must agree life goes on, let it go, and maybe you will paddle out again, eh
Foon ?

Going to NSB this weekend for some windslop. If H-Mitch makes it into the Gulf, I
would say we are a good 7 days away from a swell here in FL.

E

Eric

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Mr. Douglas F. Klee wrote:

> Foon...you mean this is it..
> > SURFGEO wrote: "Laying Down" (to the tune of "Let It Be")
> >

Yep.


Neal Miyake

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Lemming WearŽ wrote: <snip>

>This is a very good point. Ditto here for Foon posts. They began
>to all sound the same and run togethher. Neal is another example.
>They are mostly the same so hence, I don't hang on every paragraph
>or post for that matter. Nothing against Foon or Neal. It's hard, hard
>work being creative on demand. No money to boot...

Thank you for your candor. You are right--it is very difficult to be
creative all the time. And yes, even I think my writing has gotten very
routine.

Everyone posts for their own reasons. I think I started because no one
posted from Hawaii regularly back in 95. Since then, my reasons have
changed, but it's mostly for my personal surf diary. I have been and am
still so stoked that some people gain enjoyment from my posts and website.

I did try a few different session report formats, but ended up just going
back to writing them myself (and mostly about myself). Bottom line is, I
know me best so it's easier for me to write what I'm thinking (rather than
third person a la Carson).

Hooking up with Bud and the boys has rejuvenated my creative juices, as we
are focusing more on the photography aspect of the sessions. Hope to get
some good stuff, especially with the coming of the winter season.

Bottom line: If you guys like to read the stories and enjoy the pics,
great. If not, I don't mind. I do get a kick out of looking back at my
stuff and laughing at what I thought and did.

Regarding Foondoggy (now that we are all bearing our souls), even I was
bored with his posts when I first came on the group. But when I took the
time to really read them, I was blown away by the great content. Wherever
you are Foon, hope you come back soon.

Aloha,


sponge
HI Surf Advisory (http://www.iav.com/~sponge)

"You can't please everyone..."

robt

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Oct 28, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/28/98
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Lemming WearŽ wrote in message <3636F067.C28FF72C@sheep_world.net>...

>This is a very good point. Ditto here for Foon posts. They began
>to all sound the same and run togethher. Neal is another example.
>They are mostly the same so hence, I don't hang on every paragraph
>or post for that matter. Nothing against Foon or Neal. It's hard, hard
>work being creative on demand. No money to boot. I have it on strict
>confidense, thats why the Sandman stopped posting stories. He thought
>that his
>stuff began to sound the same. So he stopped. I have the feeling that
>he'll resume as soon as he is motivated enough to whip up something
>new, at least in his mind. Very good point.
>

I never read any of Foons Stories, I'm an info junkie never touch that
fiction stuff....causes cancer!

SurffOhio

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Oct 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/29/98
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Sandman wrote:

>This is a very good point. Ditto here for Foon posts. They began
>to all sound the same and run togethher. Neal is another example.
>They are mostly the same so hence, I don't hang on every paragraph
>or post for that matter. Nothing against Foon or Neal. It's hard, hard
>work being creative on demand. No money to boot. I have it on strict
>confidense, thats why the Sandman stopped posting stories. He thought
>that his
>stuff began to sound the same. So he stopped. I have the feeling that
>he'll resume as soon as he is motivated enough to whip up something
>new, at least in his mind. Very good point.
>

I was impressed with Neal's reaction to this post.

The Sandman's post brings up another point. Neal posted that we should have a
writing contest a week ago or so. I noticed that when there wasn't a big
reaction to it that he may have felt that he kind of "flopped."

Well, I hope Neal tries more of that stuff. I admire Neal for trying to get it
going.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is, people shouldn't be afraid to come up with
ideas to post to alt.surfing. I would like to see people go for it more often.


There should be sort of a "license to create" on alt.surfing without fear of
being criticised. However, there should also be sort of an agreed upon
consideration that others can give constructive feedback. In other words,
create what you want, and be willing to be shown how it can be improved. Let's
show each other how posts can be better without feeling hang dog about it.
Maybe feedback would help some not be "burned out" with their posts or stories.

Let's make Friday the 30th Alt.Surfing Day. Let's have no flames that day, and
you folks write a story on an interesting surf session that you have had. It
could be "A day in the life of ____________."

If we get enough stories, maybe Neal could post them to his web page as a "Day
In The Life Of Alt.Surfers." Or, maybe Neal could think of a better title. This
way we could go to Neals web page, see where others surf, and glean some
interesting information on that person.

Surff

Tim

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Oct 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/29/98
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SurffOhio wrote:

> The Sandman's post brings up another point. Neal posted that we should have a
> writing contest a week ago or so. I noticed that when there wasn't a big
> reaction to it that he may have felt that he kind of "flopped."
>
> Well, I hope Neal tries more of that stuff. I admire Neal for trying to get it
> going.

so do I, but it might not have worked for this reason: unless a whole
load of people do it, it means those who don't think they have
anything worth posting will just shrink back. It's easy for people to
fill out a questionnaire in a few minutes, less easy for them to come
up with an article that they think everyone will appreciate and which
won't attract flames - which you've addressed below!
I think potential writers should just put it up!
But yes, it's an idea worth developing. Go for it, Neal!

another take - if a lot of articles come up, is anyone gonna have the
time to read them all?

> Anyway, what I'm trying to say is, people shouldn't be afraid to come up with
> ideas to post to alt.surfing. I would like to see people go for it more often.

yes!

> There should be sort of a "license to create" on alt.surfing without fear of
> being criticised. However, there should also be sort of an agreed upon
> consideration that others can give constructive feedback. In other words,
> create what you want, and be willing to be shown how it can be improved. Let's
> show each other how posts can be better without feeling hang dog about it.
> Maybe feedback would help some not be "burned out" with their posts or stories.

great stuff, Surff!


> Let's make Friday the 30th Alt.Surfing Day. Let's have no flames that day, and
> you folks write a story on an interesting surf session that you have had. It
> could be "A day in the life of ____________."
>
> If we get enough stories, maybe Neal could post them to his web page as a "Day
> In The Life Of Alt.Surfers." Or, maybe Neal could think of a better title. This
> way we could go to Neals web page, see where others surf, and glean some
> interesting information on that person.

yes, yes, yes!

- Tim

Surfing Vancouver Island

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Oct 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/29/98
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On 29 Oct 1998 01:00:18 GMT, surf...@aol.com (SurffOhio) wrote:


>There should be sort of a "license to create" on alt.surfing without fear of
>being criticised. However, there should also be sort of an agreed upon
>consideration that others can give constructive feedback. In other words,
>create what you want, and be willing to be shown how it can be improved. Let's
>show each other how posts can be better without feeling hang dog about it.
>Maybe feedback would help some not be "burned out" with their posts or stories.

>Surff

If you fear criticism you shouldn't share your writing or hope to
evolve as a writer.
If you fear flames you should never post. I don't remember anyone
flaming a particular story on alt.surfing. I think it's pretty safe
ground in that respect. My own attempts have been somewhat esoteric,
mood of the moment pieces. I would post them and brace for the flames
that never came. I just got a few words of encouragement. My latest
piece lays stalled, half baked and sounding like the one before it.

alt.surfing is a buffet. No chance that everyne will like everything
on the table.

Not burnt out, just nothing new to write
Cam

johnw

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Oct 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/29/98
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Surfing Vancouver Island wrote:
>
> On 29 Oct 1998 01:00:18 GMT, surf...@aol.com (SurffOhio) wrote:
>
> >There should be sort of a "license to create" on alt.surfing without fear of
> >being criticised. However, there should also be sort of an agreed upon

> If you fear criticism you shouldn't share your writing or hope to
> evolve as a writer.
> If you fear flames you should never post.
> I don't remember anyone
> flaming a particular story on alt.surfing.

Couldn't agree more. However, I remember when I posted my "How I Lost My
Aitken" story here last year, amongst the comments was an honest post
from Taurus, who I think read one part out of order, about how it was
boring. And it was to him at that moment and that's fine. I flamed him
back (remember "Taurus Bore-us" Taurus? ;-)). I was a little hurt and
thought he should have read the whole thing in order (maybe he did).

I was an English major in college (graduated a little over 10 yrs. ago)
and I write for a living, so I'm no stranger to criticism and can
usually handle it. I only share a very small percentage of my personal
prose and poetry, but only becasue much of it I feel is not "done" or
not for public consumption. I'm getting better at taking criticism,
though, just ask John Milliken!

As Cam says, you won't develop if you don't take a chance and share.
Don't worry about the handful of mean people and take the sound advice
as helpful information. Hardly anyone is as good a writer as they think
they are. Take some chances.

The reason I usually don't post to these interesting "let's create a
writing contest" suggestions, and they're fine if that's what your into,
is I find it very hard to create on command. I write when the spirit
moves me (and it does often). I think Neal has done some great stuff,
but I can't perform at someone else's whim, well I can, I have
deadlines, but would rather not.

-johnw

Neal Miyake

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Oct 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/29/98
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SurffOhio wrote:
<snipped some mild praise>

>Well, I hope Neal tries more of that stuff. I admire Neal for trying to get
it
>going.

Thanks. Might have been nice if you tried the contest...

Btw, I got a winner. Will announce later.

Have another project in mind--will bounce it off of Buddy to see what he
thinks.

>Let's make Friday the 30th Alt.Surfing Day. Let's have no flames that day,
and
>you folks write a story on an interesting surf session that you have had.
It
>could be "A day in the life of ____________."

That would be cool.

>If we get enough stories, maybe Neal could post them to his web page as a
"Day
>In The Life Of Alt.Surfers." Or, maybe Neal could think of a better title.
This
>way we could go to Neals web page, see where others surf, and glean some
>interesting information on that person.

Would be happy to, if the response was good.

Btw, I do have some pages dedicated to alt.surfing:
http://www.iav.com/~sponge/stuff/altsurf.htm
It is not meant to be all-inclusive--just some of my fave stuff. Haven't
updated it recently. Content hasn't been that great.

I really understand the timidity of posting--I used to be terrified myself.
I found that if I wrote what I thought and stuck to my guns, I'd be alright.
Flames are inevitable, but just gotta take it with a grain of salt.

As Johnny-Boy sez, "Do something!" Or "Write Something!"

Bonzer

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Oct 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/29/98
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Neal Miyake wrote in message <71agc5$n...@enews2.newsguy.com>...

>>Let's make Friday the 30th Alt.Surfing Day. Let's have no flames that day,
>>you folks write a story on an interesting surf session that you have had.
>>could be "A day in the life of ____________."
>
hopefully Friday the 30th will provide the inspiration for plenty of of new
stories.

SurffOhio

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Oct 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/30/98
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Neal wrote:

Neal wrote:

>Thanks. Might have been nice if you tried the contest...

I actually tried, but I couldn't get it together. My imagination let me down.

I'm looking forward to your winner.

Surff

Napalm Ž

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Oct 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/30/98
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SurffOhio wrote...

>Let's make Friday the 30th Alt.Surfing Day. Let's have no flames that day,
and

>you folks write a story on an interesting surf session that you have had.
It

>could be "A day in the life of ____________."


Woke up 7am, but intended to wake up earlier because I had a very enjoyable
session on Thursday evening (part of which was under floodlight).

Looked out the window and saw, as I suspected, that the conditions were
perfect. The swell was avg for this time of year (2-3 foot) and there wasn't
a breath of wind. At 7:15 I phoned my boss to tell him I would be in late
because I was going surfing. He was cool with that. My local spot in front
of my house was kinda small, so I raced off to my favourite coastal poz 50km
away, passing at least a dozen good breaks that were firing. Tempting, each
one of them, but I knew the place I was heading to would be best.

I got there and my favourite bay was cooking. NOT A SINGLE PERSON OUT!
(major bonus). It's a tiny bay, but it has an unreal right that spins off
the top of the point. Surfed for about an hour and half in sheet glass
conditions before a light onshore put a slight chop on it. The waves stayed
good - chest/head high and smackable.

One other guy eventually paddled out and we spoke a bit. I guess he was bout
30. Goofy footer, the poor bastard. Turns out he is a microlight pilot, and
had spent all morning with a trainee pilot. He'd checked a number of spots
from the air, and confirmed that where we were surfing was best. He was
pissed at himself for being late and missing the morning glass - shoulda
told his student that morning to "come back later".

After another half an hour or so (by now I'm *very* late for work) two other
surfers paddled out. I knew both of them as they live in buildings within a
few hundred metres of where I live. They're both grommets (14 and 16) and
were bunking school. I congratulated them for their fine decision.

Surfed for another half an hour before I *really* had to go to work. When I
got there (40 minute drive) one of my co-workers was acid because I'd
promised her I was going to come in early, and I'd forgotten. I apologised
profusely and promised to buy the Friday cake for the next four weeks.

Left work early just because it was a Friday arvo, but the waves weren't too
fantastic this evening. I'll be returning to the coast tomorrow morning.

>If we get enough stories, maybe Neal could post them to his web page as a
"Day
>In The Life Of Alt.Surfers." Or, maybe Neal could think of a better title.
This
>way we could go to Neals web page, see where others surf, and glean some
>interesting information on that person.


Nice suggestion.

Napalm

PS: Go team South Africa. World Games 98.

mike

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Oct 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/30/98
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Napalm Ž wrote in message <71d34t$ot9$1...@news01.iafrica.com>...

Nice story/day Napalm.

>Goofy footer, the poor bastard.

That's usually a curse in SoCal as well.

Peace,
mike

Bud

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Oct 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/30/98
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nice write up Napalm Ž. . . . glad you have your priorities straight! ;->

bud


Napalm Ž wrote:
<snippped report>


Ric Harwood

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Nov 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/3/98
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In "Re: On Foon's overclaimed influence on the newsgroup....shaaaaaat
up!" on Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:35:53 -1000 in alt.surfing, Neal Miyake,
wrote:

>SurffOhio wrote:
><snipped some mild praise>
>>Well, I hope Neal tries more of that stuff. I admire Neal for trying to get
>it
>>going.
>

>Thanks. Might have been nice if you tried the contest...
>

>Btw, I got a winner. Will announce later.

Missed it, what contest??


Ric.
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Ric Harwood

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Nov 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/3/98
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In "Re: On Foon's overclaimed influence on the newsgroup....shaaaaaat
up!" on 28 Oct 1998 08:33:13 PST in alt.surfing, Eric, wrote:

>When I found this group 5 or 6 months ago, I devoured everything on it, and now,
>primarely to time constraints and interests,know what I prefer. I did read a good
>one from Foon, and then by accident found the foondroppings site,
>( which is maintained by Ric or Cam ? I forget ) but anyways have read most all of

Cam I think, though my 'best of' does have some of Foon's posts too.

>his stories. As I told Foon myself, I had both bellylaughs and tears as a result
>of them. I mean, " The Last Wave "...man that was beautiful. I have a visual in my
>mind of that dude just cruisin that section of that wave and putting his arms
>behind his back. It was a powerful statement.
>
>But must agree life goes on, let it go, and maybe you will paddle out again, eh
>Foon ?

<hear hear>

SurffOhio

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Nov 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/3/98
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Ric Harwood, sophisticated English diplomat to the west coast, wrote:

>Missed it, what contest??
>
>

Neal tried to get a writing contest going. One was to write a story on what it
would be like to surf Pipe.

His idea went over as well as my idea of writing a story about a day in the
life of an alt.surfer.

Oh well, people got to read about a day in the life of Surff. :-)

Hey Neal, btw, you didn't play my game either! :-)

Surff

Ric Harwood

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Nov 4, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/4/98
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In "Re: On Foon's overclaimed influence on the newsgroup....shaaaaaat
up!" on 3 Nov 1998 22:27:20 GMT in alt.surfing, SurffOhio, wrote:

>Ric Harwood, sophisticated English diplomat to the west coast, wrote:
>
>>Missed it, what contest??
>>
>>
>
>Neal tried to get a writing contest going. One was to write a story on what it
>would be like to surf Pipe.
>
>His idea went over as well as my idea of writing a story about a day in the
>life of an alt.surfer.

The Problem is that some it takes a while for people to find the time
and inspiration to write a good story.

>Oh well, people got to read about a day in the life of Surff. :-)

<g> That was good anyway.

Neal Miyake

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Nov 4, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/4/98
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SurffOhio wrote:
>Hey Neal, btw, you didn't play my game either! :-)

I neva surf on Friday---only work. Not much to write about.

However, I got the chance to get wet on both Sat and Sun. Working on those.

sponge

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