Hubbard's College Revisited
AABB2LAW
memory of a quote concerning Hubbard’s college grades and record.
Well, I did find the quote. It’s from "A Brief Biography of L. Ron Hubbard," a
four page document written by Hubbard himself, and first seen by me in 1970 in
Vancouver, B.C., and then seen a number of times during my years inside
Scientology.
Hubbard writes: "Excelling in but thoroughly detesting his subjects, he
supported himself by his writings, and before he had concluded college, was
well established as an essayist." "Excelling in his subject" was Hubbard’s way
of saying falsely that he got good grades.
Now it is true that Hubbard says a little earlier in this "Brief
[Auto]Biography:" "Never noted for being in class, he yet scraped through..."
But he completes this sentence with two more lies: "the department of higher
mathematics and the department of engineering." Then he continues with another
standard, often repeated lie: "He was a member of the first U.S. course in
formal education in what is called today nuclear physics."
Right at the beginning of this document Hubbard claims a "B.S. in Civil
Engineering, George Washington U."
And near the end of the document Hubbard states in his section "Scientology and
Dianetics:"
"L. Ron Hubbard describes Dianetics and Scientology in this light: "It was
inevitable that a man who spent his youth in Asia and who studied at the
mathematics and physical science of the West would become interested in the
mind, and any such man combining what he knew would probably have discovered
Dianetics and Scientology."
"Dianetics is that branch of Scientology which deals with mental anatomy."
"Scientology is an organized body of scientific research knowledge concerning
life, life sources and the mind and includes practices that improve the
intelligence, state and conduct of persons."
That Dianetics and Scientology have contributed something is attested by the
fact that by them we can raise the intelligence quotient of a person about one
point per hour of processing (simple mental exercises) – a thing which was
considered impossible a few years ago."
This document has a note at its beginning: "originally printed circa 1960."
And finally, right at the end, right below a photo of Hubbard-as-Commodore is:
"TRUTH is the EXACT TIME, PLACE, FORM, and EVENT. Axiom 38 LRH."
So, to all you Scientologists out there watching, not only was Hubbard not
telling the exact time, place, form and event, he was lying. If he was lying
about all this, wouldn’t it be wise and healthy to question the other things
he’s told you are true?
If he thoroughly detested his subjects – math, English, nuclear physics, etc. –
and if he blew from these subjects (flunked out in his second year and never
returned), and if he then lied about his grades, his excellence and his degrees
in these subjects, don’t you think he had misunderstoods which he never copped
to? And wouldn’t it be wise and healthy to question whether he perhaps had
misunderstoods in other areas of life – such as his understanding of education,
of the mind, of the spirit, of his fellow human beings, and of life itself?
Gerry
Zane Thomas
>Scientology is an organized body of scientific research knowledge
ROFLMAO!
Anonymous
aabb...@aol.com (AABB2LAW) came up with nothing:
>There was a challenge by one of the anonymous Scientologists on ars to my
>memory of a quote concerning Hubbard's college grades and record.
>
>Well, I did find the quote. It's from "A Brief Biography of L. Ron
>Hubbard," a
>four page document written by Hubbard himself
Says who? You?! Prove it, you lying sack of shit, you dick-wart.
Post the scans of it written in his own handwriting, or roll it around a
pencil and shove it up your ass.
Hey, when you find that check he wrote to me for $10,000,000, give me a
call. It exists. Trust me. I say so.
Till then, be sure to FOAD.
Starshadow
Well, the one thing that makes me think it might just be genuine is
that you are going ballistic over it.
You can't stand the thought that it might be true, can you?
And you don't seem to understand that lying be inference and omission
counts even in a court of law.
But that's the thing with you anonymous chickenshit Klams. Your vaunted
tech just doesn't hold up under any kind of pressure.
But do go on. Keep on shootin' off those pseudopods.
--
Bright Blessings,
Starshadow SP4, Granny Dyke
ska...@postoffice.pacbell.net
Zane Thomas wrote:
>Zane is a former Scientologist.
ROFLMAO!
Inducto
>Says who? You?! Prove it, you lying sack of shit, you dick-wart.
>
>Post the scans of it written in his own handwriting, or roll it around a
>pencil and shove it up your ass.
My my, by those standards this poster would have to do the same for every claim
ever made for dn/scn, and admit there's no proof that that Hubbard wrote
anything other than the handwritten sections of the OT levels that have been
posted to the net. Sounds like someone desperate to stay in denial about the
possibility a person they have trusted absolutely may not be trustworthy.
And once again it's the apologists' double standard: the whole of dn/scn and
Hubbard's life history are accepted as given with no documentation provided,
and no access to the real archives. But no critical information will be
accepted without production of original documents of unquestionable
authenticity.
At a minimum we know that these claims were made on all sorts of documents,
promotional materials, and book jackets over a period of about three decades
(plenty of examples have been posted, particularly if I recall from dustjackets
of older editions of All About Radiation). If Hubbard didn't write them, he
either authorized or at least countenanced them; or else he had to have been
woefully unaware of what was being done in his name by his closest aides for
dozens of years, at the same time he was garnering a reputation for
micromanaging almost every detail of the running of his organization.
I.
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Induct YourSELF into new realities
Avoid highwaymen on the road to personal and spiritual betterment -- beware
dead ends and unlit paths
Clam Lice
>
>>There was a challenge by one of the anonymous Scientologists on ars to my
>>memory of a quote concerning Hubbard's college grades and record.
>>
>>Well, I did find the quote. It's from "A Brief Biography of L. Ron
>>Hubbard," a
>>four page document written by Hubbard himself
>
>
>Post the scans of it written in his own handwriting, or roll it around a
>pencil and shove it up your ass.
>
>call. It exists. Trust me. I say so.
>
>Till then, be sure to FOAD.
>
>
Non-O-Clam seems a bit enturbulated today. Perhaps you should run around a
pole for a few hours to relax your reactive mind.
Clam Lice
"75 million years ago, Xenu nuked billions of aliens in volcanoes, and all I
got was this lousy T-shirt"
ExScio
>a
>in
>Vancouver, B.C., and then seen a number of times during my years inside
^^^^^^^^^^^
>Scientology.
^^^^^^^^^^^
I remember reading a lot of this stuff while I was in during
the mid-70's.
I'm sure some of it was used as PR material in the front of
books or in other PR releases of the era.
>Right at the beginning of this document Hubbard claims a "B.S. in Civil
>Engineering, George Washington U."
I've definately seen this claim before several times!!
<<<<< ExScio (with the emphasis on EX) - St. Louis area SP >>>>>
Martin Hunt
aabb...@aol.com (AABB2LAW) wrote:
>There was a challenge by one of the anonymous Scientologists on ars to my
>memory of a quote concerning Hubbards college grades and record.
Thanks for the quotes, Vancouverite. Gerry? Did we ever meet?
The whole argument about grades brought forward by some anonymous
person was a weak bit of sophistry from the get-go, as Hubbard
claimed to have graduated with degrees, whereas in reality he
flunked out due to very low grades. Ergo, he lied about his grades;
he claimed to have passed his courses with sufficient mark to earn
his degree - a lie, plain and simple.
--
Cogito, ergo sum.
"Scientology is evil to the core." - Jesse Prince, former core
Scientologist.
http://www.islandnet.com/~martinh/prince/prince.htm
William Barwell
>>
>>Hubbard," a
>
>Says who? You?! Prove it, you lying sack of shit, you dick-wart.
>
>Post the scans of it written in his own handwriting, or roll it around a
>pencil and shove it up your ass.
>
>Hey, when you find that check he wrote to me for $10,000,000, give me a
>call. It exists. Trust me. I say so.
>
>Till then, be sure to FOAD.
>
>
Ohhh, sooooo angry. Golden idol Hubbard is shown to be a liar. Again.
And lil clam-boy having dodged the claim Hubbard lied with clumsy
sophistry, now has to confront the truth. But even then, he can't.
You can tell by his angry posts though, deep down, he understands.
L. Ron Hubbard was a liar and a fraud.
Excelled at his studies indeed. You know, Andrew Milne, Scientologist
propagandist and writer for "Freedom" and editor of "Standup!" tried
a similar stunt when the issue of L. Ron Hubbard 'nuclear physicist'
came up.
Tried to blame Hubbard's outrageous lie om his publicist.
And this got a few of us critics to digging out Hubbard's
snarling lies, a few taken from tapes and made by Hubbard himself.
Now, you know, everytime somebody finds a tape or a written
claim by Hubbard that he was good at math or passed his college courses,
or made good grades or that he "easily learned calculus" (He said that, I
have it on tape and will eventually find it) it will be posted here until
we have quite a little FAQ out of it.
Mr. Red-faced anonymous champion of Liar Hubbard, you willl
be able then, to take pride in the fact you were the unwitting
midwife of this embarressing FAQ that has just been born and now will
grow and grow until it is big enough to be found in all the best
websites.
Take a bow.
Let us know your real name, (don't be a coward) so we can credit you when
enough embarressing quotes have been made to make a decent little FAQ
out of this.
Pope Charles
SubGenius Pope Of Houston
Slack!