Thanks for nothing.
Nick S Bensema
Well, thanks to approximately 300 Phoenix voters, I'll be bumming rides
every time I want to do anything more than about two miles away on the
weekend.
And had you read the proposition, you would have realized that it benefited
you people too. It would have funded some much-needed street improvements.
That would have cinched it for me if I had to drive everywhere.
You people must really enjoy fighting traffic, and expending gas on your
air conditioner while you're idling on a crowded freeway.
--
Nick Bensema <ni...@primenet.com> 98-KUPD Red Card Holder #710563
~~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Hey, that kinda looks like... Tom Selleck!"
Brian Trosko
Nick S Bensema <ni...@primenet.com> wrote:
: Well, thanks to approximately 300 Phoenix voters, I'll be bumming rides
: weekend.
I'm sorry I couldn't have been one of them.
Chris
Sorry about that.... too many people couldn't get a bus ride to the polls, I
guess.
I wish I couldv'e voted.
Chris
Nick S Bensema wrote:
> Well, thanks to approximately 300 Phoenix voters, I'll be bumming rides
> every time I want to do anything more than about two miles away on the
> weekend.
>
Keith Wood
In article <5v5c8k$7...@nntp02.primenet.com>,
ni...@primenet.com (Nick S Bensema) wrote:
[Well, thanks to approximately 300 Phoenix voters, I'll be bumming rides
[every time I want to do anything more than about two miles away on the
[weekend.
Buy a bike. Get a job and buy a car. What right do you have to steal MY
money for YOUR convenience?
Joseph Michael Bay
ni...@primenet.com (Nick S Bensema) writes:
>Well, thanks to approximately 300 Phoenix voters, I'll be bumming rides
>every time I want to do anything more than about two miles away on the
>weekend.
Well, we don't need to take your guff, monkey boy.
>And had you read the proposition, you would have realized that it benefited
>you people too. It would have funded some much-needed street improvements.
>That would have cinched it for me if I had to drive everywhere.
You know what? We DID read it, and we don't much cotton to them
gummint types telling us they're gonna help out with the roads. The
roads are the way we like them. So back off.
>You people must really enjoy fighting traffic, and expending gas on your
>air conditioner while you're idling on a crowded freeway.
Yeah, but it's a DRY HEAT.
--
Joe Bay B1FF
Brought to you by a grant from the Annenberg CPB project, R()0LZ!
the Helena Rubenstein Foundation !!!!!!!!!1
and stooges like you. AMIGA 4EVER!
Joseph Michael Bay
kei...@bctv.com (Keith Wood) writes:
>Buy a bike. Get a job and buy a car.
Use lots of gas. It's not HOT ENOUGH in Phoenix yet. Sure, it's over
a hundred sometimes, but it's a DRY HEAT.
>What right do you have to steal MY
>money for YOUR convenience?
I have . . . THIS right.
(It's really more of a visual thing. Sorry).
Keith Wood
In article <5v7ae1$r...@nntp02.primenet.com>,[In article <2zwF0wUN...@bctv.com>, Keith Wood <kei...@bctv.com> wrote:
[>In article <5v5c8k$7...@nntp02.primenet.com>,[>[Well, thanks to approximately 300 Phoenix voters, I'll be bumming rides
[>[weekend.
[>Buy a bike. Get a job and buy a car. What right do you have to steal MY
[>money for YOUR convenience?
[
[Can't drive. Bad eyes, remember?
[
[Prop 1 wasn't all about the bus service, either. It was also about
[street improvements and left-turn lanes and all kinds of neat things.
[
[So you'd be stealing MY money for YOUR left-turn lanes and crap like
[that.
You mean that you would NEVER ride a bus that made left turns?
[ You're already stealing my money improving the freeway by my
[house...
And you would never ride a bus on the freeway . . .
[The drivers of the world have and will continue taking my money to
[allocate more and more space for your machines.
Nope. The merchants of the world will continue to spend THEIR money on more
parking spaces so that people will park there and spend THEIR money at those
stores.
[In fact, I bet by the end of the century, one or more states will have
[subsidized auto insurance, if they haven't already. Who knows, it may
[be federally-funded, which means I'll be paying for your auto insurance
[even if you live in Alaska, which is The Anti-Arizona!
How much would you care to bet?
Hmmm . . .don't bother, I won't be in AZ to collect by then.
Nick S Bensema
In article <5v7qds$3...@nntp02.primenet.com>, Wotan <wmcclatc> wrote:
>In article <5v5c8k$7...@nntp02.primenet.com>,
>
>>Well, thanks to approximately 300 Phoenix voters, I'll be bumming rides
>>every time I want to do anything more than about two miles away on the
>>weekend.
>
>you lost your license and are longer allowed o drive?
Thank you for flaming, but no, that's not it. I can't see well enough
to drive. I've posted this over and over again.
And your generalizations about the bus seats being uncomfortable and the
riders being smelly... that was also a rush to judgment.
In this argument I've tried to keep from jumping to conclusions, but
that, too, puts me at a disadvantage to the rest of society. It would
be so simple if I could just respond with something like "If cars are
so smart, why do they live in igloos?" but I can't. If I did, between
our combined stupidities, Godwin's Law would be invoked within three
days.
The sad thing is, I could have won that thing if I would have just told
all of my friends to tell their friends, far enough ahead of time.
I'm going to stop arguing, because so much of American society today is
based on the idea that every Americcan should be able to operate a
motor vehicle. Much like the ancient hatred between nations and
religions on other continents is the American attachment to automobiles.
I'm ditching this thread, but chew on this:
A license is supposed to certify that someone is qualified and competent
to perform some sort of function. What other licensed activity, other
than driving, results in multiple accidents or other malpractice EVERY
SINGLE DAY?
Phoenix Radio Man
People!
I hate to say it, but the 266 voters that made the difference in failing
to pass the initiative were swayed by a group that propounds no new
taxes of any kind.
Also, flaming a person for being "too cheap to buy a car" is uncalled
for. I doubt very much you would feel the same after spending a year in
a blind man's shoes, would you? I am blind and have to depend on this
"joke for a bus system". And thats exactly what it is compared to
smaller cities with better bus systems: A JOKE!
I have to depend on this system every day and it currently does not meet
my needs. I live off of a minor side street (nearest bus route is over a
mile away on the weekdays). Ever try walking that far when its 122????
It appears to me that we should make bus riding more appealing, so lets
make driving more expensive (how about 10 cents per gallon at the pump
for all personal vehicles). 1 .1 cent sales tax isn't that much, but 10
cents per gallon would drive the point home in a hurry. Besides, that is
where we are headed now. I will be writing the Az State Legislature with
this proposal and I will continue to bug them until one or the other
happens (either we get an improvement in the transit system, or everyone
starts paying where it hurts most, at the gas pump).
Nick S Bensema
In article <2zwF0wUN...@bctv.com>, Keith Wood <kei...@bctv.com> wrote:
>In article <5v5c8k$7...@nntp02.primenet.com>,
>[weekend.
>
>money for YOUR convenience?
Can't drive. Bad eyes, remember?
Prop 1 wasn't all about the bus service, either. It was also about
street improvements and left-turn lanes and all kinds of neat things.
So you'd be stealing MY money for YOUR left-turn lanes and crap like
that. You're already stealing my money improving the freeway by my
house... in fact, not only can't I cross Dunlap there anymore on my
way to Metrocenter, but they're probably going to forget to put the
sidewalk back in over there, so I'll have to walk in the gutter. And
by the way, I don't quite recall voting on that.
The drivers of the world have and will continue taking my money to
allocate more and more space for your machines.
In fact, I bet by the end of the century, one or more states will have
subsidized auto insurance, if they haven't already. Who knows, it may
be federally-funded, which means I'll be paying for your auto insurance
even if you live in Alaska, which is The Anti-Arizona!
--
Michael Straight
On 11 Sep 1997, M. Otis Beard wrote:
> Phoenix Radio Man wrote:
> > Also, flaming a person for being "too cheap to buy a car" is uncalled
> > for. I doubt very much you would feel the same after spending a year in
> > a blind man's shoes, would you? I am blind and have to depend on this
> > "joke for a bus system". And thats exactly what it is compared to
> > smaller cities with better bus systems: A JOKE!
>
> TO THE PERSON WHO READS USENET POSTS TO THIS GUY: Don't read any of
> the jokes we're about to make at his expense to him, OK? It'll be WAY
> funnier that way. THANKS.
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SMTIRCAHIAGEHLT
Eddie Saxe
In article <34176690....@netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
Hank Blake <hbl...@tyrannosaur.com> wrote:
>Visual my ass. How many of us do you think have access to a scanning
>electron microscope?
That's a pretty tiny ass you have, Hank; thanks for sharing.
Have you considered saline implants?
Eddie
--
What's the frequency, Kenneth?
Paul Alan Sturm
Stop doing this! I hate you!!
Michael Straight (stra...@email.unc.edu) wrote:
: .whatsoever sense no make would ,instance for ,this like posts--him to
Neil
Joseph Michael Bay
wmcclatc (Wotan) writes:
>Yeah. That twenty minute ride in my comfortable truck with tunes I like
>can't hold a candle to that 70+ minute ride that involves uncomfortable
>seats, waiting in the *unairconditioned* outdoors for transfers. And lets
Yeah, but it's a DRY HEAT.
Joseph Michael Bay
hbl...@tyrannosaur.com (Hank Blake) writes:
>Visual my ass. How many of us do you think have access to a scanning
>electron microscope?
One needs an SEM to visual your ass?
Must hurt to sit.
Phoenix Radio Man
Michael Straight wrote:
> .whatsoever sense no make would ,instance for ,this like posts--him to
> reading there sitting someone have doesn't he ,obviously So (.(are they
> color what equals which) are they hot how fingertips his with feels and
> pegs the change to else someone hires obviously he ,blind guy's this Since
> .day/dollars couple a for aliens illegal hire most but ,pegs own change US
> the in hackers Some .tubes ray cathode than cheaper is labor where
> world-third the in popular they're--whatever or Doom play or type they
> while pegs the work else someone have monitors Brite Lite use who people
> most although "you" say I--again top the at start and paper black the
> change you ,screen the of bottom the to get you When .colors 256 have can
> you so ,tones different 256 distinguish can operator trained-well A .(peg
> Brite Lite a use you actually) 'pixel' successive each to corresponds
> which ,tone a to converted and down slowed is signal video the that is
> works it way the ,technology the with unfamiliar those For) .days these
> monitors Brite Lite use usually people Blind .Otis ,technology with up
> catch to need You
>
> SMTIRCAHIAGEHLT
speech synthasizer? Thats what I use. Good joke though. Perhaps you
might have a career in comedy, but, don't lose your day job.....
ha ha ha !
M. Otis Beard
Chris
What if he has a Braille newsreader? ;-) Really, though, I don't think
it's too funny to make fun of blind people! (or anybody who is forced
to ride the transit system in its present state)
Chris
M. Otis Beard
Hank Blake wrote:
> Tha's right, boy--I got a *reeeel* tight ass. Tha's why I don't want
> your scurvey ass stealin' mah money.
EEEEEK!!! It's Walter Miller's grandfather!
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKKK!
M. Otis Beard
Michael Straight wrote:
>
> On 11 Sep 1997, M. Otis Beard wrote:
>
> > Phoenix Radio Man wrote:
> > > Also, flaming a person for being "too cheap to buy a car" is uncalled
> > > for. I doubt very much you would feel the same after spending a year in
> > > a blind man's shoes, would you? I am blind and have to depend on this
> > > "joke for a bus system". And thats exactly what it is compared to
> > > smaller cities with better bus systems: A JOKE!
> >
> > TO THE PERSON WHO READS USENET POSTS TO THIS GUY: Don't read any of
> > the jokes we're about to make at his expense to him, OK? It'll be WAY
> > funnier that way. THANKS.
>
> reading there sitting someone have doesn't he ,obviously So (.(are they
> color what equals which) are they hot how fingertips his with feels and
> pegs the change to else someone hires obviously he ,blind guy's this Since
> .day/dollars couple a for aliens illegal hire most but ,pegs own change US
> the in hackers Some .tubes ray cathode than cheaper is labor where
> world-third the in popular they're--whatever or Doom play or type they
> while pegs the work else someone have monitors Brite Lite use who people
> most although "you" say I--again top the at start and paper black the
> change you ,screen the of bottom the to get you When .colors 256 have can
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> Brite Lite a use you actually) 'pixel' successive each to corresponds
> which ,tone a to converted and down slowed is signal video the that is
> works it way the ,technology the with unfamiliar those For) .days these
> monitors Brite Lite use usually people Blind .Otis ,technology with up
> catch to need You
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Ted Krueger
In article <34178C...@juno.com>,
Phoenix Radio Man <Phx_ra...@juno.com> wrote:
>People!
>I hate to say it, but the 266 voters that made the difference in failing
>to pass the initiative were swayed by a group that propounds no new
>taxes of any kind.
That sounds like a pretty good motivation to me.
>I have to depend on this system every day and it currently does not meet
>my needs. I live off of a minor side street (nearest bus route is over a
>mile away on the weekdays). Ever try walking that far when its 122????
Yep. I did it for four years in Tucson. I walked that mile and a half
on the very day that it was 116 in Tucson at 4:00 pm. What did I do as
a result? I moved. I moved to a place closer to a bus stop so that I
didn't have to walk a mile and a half.
It seems that your response is to ask people to pay increased taxes.
>It appears to me that we should make bus riding more appealing, so lets
>make driving more expensive (how about 10 cents per gallon at the pump
>for all personal vehicles). 1 .1 cent sales tax isn't that much, but 10
>cents per gallon would drive the point home in a hurry.
I have a better plan. Why don't you just pay the entire cost of your
transportation yourself? I'm tired of paying for your busses. At a
rate of $45 per rider trip (according to the recent bus budget of
Tempe) is way too expensive for me. I could probably buy a big screen
TV if I didn't have to pay for your bus.
> Besides, that is
>where we are headed now. I will be writing the Az State Legislature with
>this proposal and I will continue to bug them until one or the other
>happens (either we get an improvement in the transit system, or everyone
>starts paying where it hurts most, at the gas pump).
Freedom is a wonderful thing, ain't it?
Ted
--
"My mother used to say to me `Elwood, you must be...' she always called me
Elwood `...you must be oh so smart, or oh so pleasant.' Well, for years I
was smart. I recommend pleasant. You may quote me." James Stewart - Harvey
Ted Krueger ITS Systems Engineer AG Comunication Systems krue...@agcs.com
Joseph Michael Bay
hbl...@tyrannosaur.com (Hank Blake) writes:
>Tha's right, boy--I got a *reeeel* tight ass. Tha's why I don't want
>your scurvey ass stealin' mah money.
I wonder how the above sentence sounds on a speech synthesizer.
I also wonder how the following words and phrases sound:
Cthulhu.
Froot Loops.
Fruit Luips.
Xtopalopacetl.
Tqtqlly cqql, dqqd!
ICUP.
Ron rots?
Thank you.
Joseph Michael Bay
Teg Pipes
jm...@leland.Stanford.EDU (Joseph Michael Bay) writes:
> Ron rots?
Scobby Doo told me that his favorite movie was _Rape Rear_. I
had to look for weeks to find it, but I did. Boy, that Scoobs is ONE
SICK FUCK PUPPY!
BAD DOG! BAD DOG FOR PROMOTING GAY PORN! BAD!
-Teg
Joseph Michael Bay
krue...@agcs.com (Ted Krueger) writes:
>Yep. I did it for four years in Tucson. I walked that mile and a half
>on the very day that it was 116 in Tucson at 4:00 pm.
Yeah, but it's a DRY HEAT.
M. Otis Beard
Chris wrote:
>
> M. Otis Beard wrote:
> >
> > Phoenix Radio Man wrote:
> > >
> > > Also, flaming a person for being "too cheap to buy a car" is uncalled
> > > for. I doubt very much you would feel the same after spending a year in
> > > a blind man's shoes, would you? I am blind and have to depend on this
> > > "joke for a bus system". And thats exactly what it is compared to
> > > smaller cities with better bus systems: A JOKE!
> >
> > TO THE PERSON WHO READS USENET POSTS TO THIS GUY: Don't read any of
> > the jokes we're about to make at his expense to him, OK? It'll be WAY
> > funnier that way. THANKS.
>
> it's too funny to make fun of blind people! (or anybody who is forced
> to ride the transit system in its present state)
Yeah, well. . . if *I* were blind, the LAST thing I'd want would be to
be surrounded by smarmy condescending people pussyfooting around,
pretending not to notice my blindness and trying desperately not to
accidentally make fun of me for it. I'd want to be treated pretty much
like everybody else (insofar as that would be possible, anyway). That
includes being made fun of now and again, be it for blindness,
hebephrenia, insertion of Taiwan or chronic virginity. If Phoenix Radio
Man has a sense of humor that allows him to laugh at himself and his
shortcomings, then he's one of us and deserves to be treated as such.
If he *lacks* a sense of humor, then he can go fuck himself until he's
deaf as well. I certainly don't hear you complaining about people
making fun of Nick Bensema for being unable to get laid, and for a guy
his age, that's gotta be at least as sensitive a sore point as blindness
is for PRM.
Watson Aname
On Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:54:06 -0400, Michael Straight wrote:
>
>.whatsoever sense no make would ,instance for ,this like posts--him to
>reading there sitting someone have doesn't he ,obviously So (.(are they
>color what equals which) are they hot how fingertips his with feels and
>pegs the change to else someone hires obviously he ,blind guy's this Since
>.day/dollars couple a for aliens illegal hire most but ,pegs own change US
>the in hackers Some .tubes ray cathode than cheaper is labor where
>world-third the in popular they're--whatever or Doom play or type they
>while pegs the work else someone have monitors Brite Lite use who people
>most although "you" say I--again top the at start and paper black the
>change you ,screen the of bottom the to get you When .colors 256 have can
>you so ,tones different 256 distinguish can operator trained-well A .(peg
>Brite Lite a use you actually) 'pixel' successive each to corresponds
>which ,tone a to converted and down slowed is signal video the that is
>works it way the ,technology the with unfamiliar those For) .days these
>monitors Brite Lite use usually people Blind .Otis ,technology with up
>catch to need You
!*KNOLP*
Watson Aname
M. Otis Beard
Neil wrote:
>
> On 13 Sep 1997 08:14:03 GMT, "M. Otis Beard"
> <movin...@geocities.com> wrote:
> > Yeah, well. . . if *I* were blind, the LAST thing I'd want would be to
> >be surrounded by smarmy condescending people pussyfooting around,
> >pretending not to notice my blindness and trying desperately not to
> >accidentally make fun of me for it. I'd want to be treated pretty much
> >like everybody else (insofar as that would be possible, anyway). That
> >includes being made fun of now and again, be it for blindness,
> >hebephrenia, insertion of Taiwan or chronic virginity. If Phoenix Radio
> >Man has a sense of humor that allows him to laugh at himself and his
> >shortcomings, then he's one of us and deserves to be treated as such.
> >If he *lacks* a sense of humor, then he can go fuck himself until he's
> >deaf as well.
>
I agree. This M. Otis Beard guy should be tied up and tickled until
he wets himself. How *DARE* he fail to heap pity on the heads of blind
people. If more people went around treating the blind like the
pathetic, useless objects of pity that they are, maybe they wouldn't
have to work so hard at making lives for themselves in spite of their
sightlessness. They could just sit around all day, whining and feeling
sorry for themselves, while other people take care of them in an
appropriately patronizing manner.
> First, you all take it upon yourself to make "fun" of someone's
> physical disability, and not even to his face, but on Usenet, like a
> bunch of spineless cowards.
Yeah, M. Otis Beard should really be ashamed of himself for that.
You're absolutely right -- he should have asked that poor pathetic blind
guy for his address so he could drive aaaaall the way from Los Angeles
to Phoenix, go to the blind guy's house, and make fun of him there
instead. And if he had a SPINE, that's exactly what he'd do.
> Then you pompously declare that he should
> either laugh along with you or "go fuck himself", as though you
> yourself somehow know and understand what kind of crap he has to put
> up with on a regular basis.
Too true. How pompous it is to insist that someone should have a
sense of humor and be able to laugh at himself! That Otis Beard guy is
really a rat for not liking uptight assholes with no sense of humor, and
I'll bet he's some kind of nazi as well. He's probably totally perfect
in every way, so he could NEVER, EVER understand what it's like to have
any kind of disadvantage or shortcoming. Anybody with any sense knows
that people who are disabled in any way should not be held up to the
same social/moral/intellectual standards as the rest of us. They should
be babied and sheltered and insulated from all possibility of being
offended, and they should NOT under ANY circumstances be expected to
have anything even remotely resembling a sense of humor, 'cause that
would just encourage them to think that they're capable of living
useful, productive, fulfilling lives on a level playing field with
everybody else.
> What truly disgusts me is that the teasing
> and stupid remarks probably didn't end with junior high or high school
> for him.
You tell 'em, brother! I bet that poor blind guy is sitting in his
specially designed orthopedic wheelchair RIGHT NOW, crying his eyes out
(OK, that didn't come out right, but you know what I mean).
> Thanks to immature, overgrown, losers in life (I'm
> predicting) like "Otis Beard", he has to deal with it in the "adult"
> world as well (using that term very liberally, of course).
More power to you! It's liberals like you that are making this world
a better place to live for all of us. Why, I'll bet that some of your
BEST FRIENDS are blind. I bet you even have some friends that are
BLACK!
God knows where we'd be if we didn't have good upstanding folks like
you around to protect others less fortunate than you from being treated
like real people.
-Timmy (age 9)
Phoenix Radio Man
M. Otis Beard wrote:
> Hey, let's face the facts: there are lots of things you can't do, like
> SEE, for instance. You can't drive a car, for another. But then again,
> lots of people with functioning eyes can't drive, and even more of them
> can't understand the things that they see anyway. LOTS and LOTS of
> sighted people are completely incapable of using a computer, so you're
> not at nearly as much of a disadvantage as some people think.
Well, its usually those that can do things that I cannot without help
that get places I'll never go (without help). I have a small
neighborhood here that thinks because I can use a computer, that I am
not blind at all. Interesting considering that they have seen the rpoof
that I am blind, and seen the computer (It talks and prints braille).
Still, they think otherwise even when faced with the facts. I have to
constantly battle this ignorance every day.
> As for not being able to understand because I am not blind like you,
> that's a pretty bullshit statement, and it smacks of self-pity. I'd
What smacks of something may not necessarily be something. There is a
difference, even if you fail to see it. I ask not for pity of any kind
(that statge left me about 7 years ago). However, the best way to
understand someone is to live their life. there are no exceptions to
that rule. Unfortunately, since very few have an understanding, they
fail to realize what we CAN do. They always focus on what we can't (like
you did with the "driving" comment). I stand by this opinion, based in
the most part on facts. Ask someone what its like to be blind and most
people answer firstly: "I can't even imagine what that must be like".
Then they start to feel sorry for you. I believe what I do based on
ACTUAL experience over the last 9 years. I used to drive, I rode bikes
and flew an airplane as a hobby. I miss all that, but I can still type
and still use a computer.
> have to be pretty fucking stoopid to be incapable of understanding
> something as simple as sightlessness, and I'm insulted that you would
> think otherwise. It's a lot harder for me to understand and empathize
> with the intellectual blindness of someone like Schwann than it is for
> me to put myself in YOUR shoes.
I am sorry you feel that way, but until you live it 24/7 like I do, you
really have only the barest concept of what it must be like.
Intellectual blindness has its own problems (of which I suffered from
when I was somewhat younger and thought I knew everything). You
understand more about that than you think. We all do, having been a teen
once. Unfortunately, some people don't grow out of it (A byproduct of
their learning environment, I suppose). In the meantime, I fight and
scratch everyday for what I think is right. It may not be right to you,
but I have a belief and a sense of ethics that I cannot violate. It
would be so simple to ignore such problems, but as I have leanred,
ignorance only gets a person hurt.
>
> For what it's worth, I thought you made an excellent point regarding
> public trasportation in Phoenix and in general, but I wasn't dealing
> with your politically charged issue at all. I was making an aside and
> dealing only with your sightlessness and Chris' statement to the effect
> that it was wrong of me to make fun of you. Like I said before, either
> you have a sense of humor and we can be friends, or you don't have a
> sense of humor and you can blow me.
Thank you. I do appreciate that, even if I don't make much mention of
it. Yes, My mistake in failing to realize the import of your second
sentence here. As I posted previously, I did get a chuckle out of it,
unfortunately, I ignored it when responding (a defect in perception and
action, I think). No harm done, though in some circles, it can get a
fist in the mouth (like has happened to me a few times)....
Pardon my militant nature. Some people only understand force.
Neil
On Sat, 13 Sep 1997 14:30:41 -0700, Phoenix Radio Man
<Phx_ra...@juno.com> wrote:
>Neil, you protest a bit much..... Careful about that foot & mouth
>problem...
I have great feet, and brush my teeth twice a day.
>Also, I understood the joke he was making and simply ignored it in my
>response. If you cannot understand that, then you must be a good example
>of a sad case. You appear to be defending my position, but I must warn
>you, sometimes you will get caught in the cross fire here.
I'm not defending your or anyone else's position. I assaulted someone
else's (and *ploinked* them immediately thereafter, if they're
wondering).
Phoenix Radio Man
M. Otis Beard wrote:
> Chris wrote:
> > What if he has a Braille newsreader? ;-) Really, though, I don't think
> > it's too funny to make fun of blind people! (or anybody who is forced
> > to ride the transit system in its present state)
>
> be surrounded by smarmy condescending people pussyfooting around,
sorry to be so militant about this, but I have been told for a long time
what I CAN'T do, not what I can. So I go out of my way to prove the
naysayers wrong as often as possible.
> pretending not to notice my blindness and trying desperately not to
> accidentally make fun of me for it. I'd want to be treated pretty much
> like everybody else (insofar as that would be possible, anyway). That
> includes being made fun of now and again, be it for blindness,
> hebephrenia, insertion of Taiwan or chronic virginity. If Phoenix Radio
> Man has a sense of humor that allows him to laugh at himself and his
> shortcomings, then he's one of us and deserves to be treated as such.
> If he *lacks* a sense of humor, then he can go fuck himself until he's
> deaf as well. I certainly don't hear you complaining about people
> making fun of Nick Bensema for being unable to get laid, and for a guy
> his age, that's gotta be at least as sensitive a sore point as blindness
> is for PRM.
I do laugh at myself, when the time is appropriate. Right now, I don't
think the time is appropriate. We are dealing with a politically charged
issue here. I did get the joke and chuckled about it, though. The
problem still stands, however. I did some looking into this yesterday
and I found out a big surprise: only 4% of all the ellegable voters in
theis city even voted! In my precinct alone, which has 2000 voters in
it, only 100 voted, for the whole day!!!!! Whats wrong here? Doesn't
anyone care what their government does? No wonder we are in the mess we
are in.
All of those who complain that they don't trust the government to do the
right thing, they probably didn't vote! There is a direct correlation
here: less voters means more government red tape, because the
legislators think they can get away with more. There is going to come a
time when we can no longer vote, and those in power will decide for us.
Its time to stop being sheep!
M. Otis Beard
Phoenix Radio Man wrote:
>
> M. Otis Beard wrote:
>
> > be surrounded by smarmy condescending people pussyfooting around,
> Well, the problem is, you are not and therefore cannot understand. I am
> sorry to be so militant about this, but I have been told for a long time
> what I CAN'T do, not what I can. So I go out of my way to prove the
> naysayers wrong as often as possible.
Hey, let's face the facts: there are lots of things you can't do, like
SEE, for instance. You can't drive a car, for another. But then again,
lots of people with functioning eyes can't drive, and even more of them
can't understand the things that they see anyway. LOTS and LOTS of
sighted people are completely incapable of using a computer, so you're
not at nearly as much of a disadvantage as some people think.
As for not being able to understand because I am not blind like you,
that's a pretty bullshit statement, and it smacks of self-pity. I'd
have to be pretty fucking stoopid to be incapable of understanding
something as simple as sightlessness, and I'm insulted that you would
think otherwise. It's a lot harder for me to understand and empathize
with the intellectual blindness of someone like Schwann than it is for
me to put myself in YOUR shoes.
> I do laugh at myself, when the time is appropriate. Right now, I don't
> think the time is appropriate. We are dealing with a politically charged
> issue here.
For what it's worth, I thought you made an excellent point regarding
public trasportation in Phoenix and in general, but I wasn't dealing
with your politically charged issue at all. I was making an aside and
dealing only with your sightlessness and Chris' statement to the effect
that it was wrong of me to make fun of you. Like I said before, either
you have a sense of humor and we can be friends, or you don't have a
sense of humor and you can blow me.
> I did get the joke and chuckled about it, though.
Cool. I hope Chris learns something from this. I for one will never
insult you by being patronizing or condescending towards you simply
because your eyes don't work. You're just another person with a sense
of humor, as far as I'm concerned.
Neil
On 13 Sep 1997 08:14:03 GMT, "M. Otis Beard"
> Yeah, well. . . if *I* were blind, the LAST thing I'd want would be to
>be surrounded by smarmy condescending people pussyfooting around,
>accidentally make fun of me for it. I'd want to be treated pretty much
>like everybody else (insofar as that would be possible, anyway). That
>includes being made fun of now and again, be it for blindness,
>hebephrenia, insertion of Taiwan or chronic virginity. If Phoenix Radio
>Man has a sense of humor that allows him to laugh at himself and his
>shortcomings, then he's one of us and deserves to be treated as such.
>If he *lacks* a sense of humor, then he can go fuck himself until he's
>deaf as well.
What a sad display.
First, you all take it upon yourself to make "fun" of someone's
physical disability, and not even to his face, but on Usenet, like a
bunch of spineless cowards. Then you pompously declare that he should
either laugh along with you or "go fuck himself", as though you
yourself somehow know and understand what kind of crap he has to put
up with on a regular basis. What truly disgusts me is that the teasing
and stupid remarks probably didn't end with junior high or high school
for him. Thanks to immature, overgrown, losers in life (I'm
predicting) like "Otis Beard", he has to deal with it in the "adult"
world as well (using that term very liberally, of course).
Neil
Bill
You are a real delight!
I bet you are hilarious in a quadraplegic ward.
And then I find out you don't even live here in Phoenix, just sticking your
nose in.
Well, good bye M. Otis Beard. You can ridicule all you want ... but I'll never
see it.
M. Otis Beard wrote:
> Neil wrote:
> >
> > On 13 Sep 1997 08:14:03 GMT, "M. Otis Beard"
> > <movin...@geocities.com> wrote:
> > > Yeah, well. . . if *I* were blind, the LAST thing I'd want would be to
> > >be surrounded by smarmy condescending people pussyfooting around,
> > >pretending not to notice my blindness and trying desperately not to
> > >accidentally make fun of me for it. I'd want to be treated pretty much
> > >like everybody else (insofar as that would be possible, anyway). That
> > >includes being made fun of now and again, be it for blindness,
> > >hebephrenia, insertion of Taiwan or chronic virginity. If Phoenix Radio
> > >Man has a sense of humor that allows him to laugh at himself and his
> > >shortcomings, then he's one of us and deserves to be treated as such.
> > >If he *lacks* a sense of humor, then he can go fuck himself until he's
> > >deaf as well.
> >
> > What a sad display.
>
> I agree. This M. Otis Beard guy should be tied up and tickled until
> he wets himself. How *DARE* he fail to heap pity on the heads of blind
> people. If more people went around treating the blind like the
> pathetic, useless objects of pity that they are, maybe they wouldn't
> have to work so hard at making lives for themselves in spite of their
> sightlessness. They could just sit around all day, whining and feeling
> sorry for themselves, while other people take care of them in an
> appropriately patronizing manner.
>
> > First, you all take it upon yourself to make "fun" of someone's
> > physical disability, and not even to his face, but on Usenet, like a
> > bunch of spineless cowards.
>
> Yeah, M. Otis Beard should really be ashamed of himself for that.
> You're absolutely right -- he should have asked that poor pathetic blind
> guy for his address so he could drive aaaaall the way from Los Angeles
> to Phoenix, go to the blind guy's house, and make fun of him there
> instead. And if he had a SPINE, that's exactly what he'd do.
>
> > Then you pompously declare that he should
> > either laugh along with you or "go fuck himself", as though you
> > yourself somehow know and understand what kind of crap he has to put
> > up with on a regular basis.
>
> Too true. How pompous it is to insist that someone should have a
> sense of humor and be able to laugh at himself! That Otis Beard guy is
> really a rat for not liking uptight assholes with no sense of humor, and
> I'll bet he's some kind of nazi as well. He's probably totally perfect
> in every way, so he could NEVER, EVER understand what it's like to have
> any kind of disadvantage or shortcoming. Anybody with any sense knows
> that people who are disabled in any way should not be held up to the
> same social/moral/intellectual standards as the rest of us. They should
> be babied and sheltered and insulated from all possibility of being
> offended, and they should NOT under ANY circumstances be expected to
> have anything even remotely resembling a sense of humor, 'cause that
> would just encourage them to think that they're capable of living
> useful, productive, fulfilling lives on a level playing field with
> everybody else.
>
> > What truly disgusts me is that the teasing
> > and stupid remarks probably didn't end with junior high or high school
> > for him.
>
> You tell 'em, brother! I bet that poor blind guy is sitting in his
> specially designed orthopedic wheelchair RIGHT NOW, crying his eyes out
> (OK, that didn't come out right, but you know what I mean).
>
> > Thanks to immature, overgrown, losers in life (I'm
> > predicting) like "Otis Beard", he has to deal with it in the "adult"
> > world as well (using that term very liberally, of course).
>
Phoenix Radio Man
Neil wrote:
> What a sad display.
Neil, you protest a bit much..... Careful about that foot & mouth
problem...
Also, I understood the joke he was making and simply ignored it in my
Thomas M Richardson
[ I was going to post something about how happy I was to see
that Joe Bay was back and all, but then I read some e-mail
about how he got to hang out at Lisa's and that made me real
mad and jealous and now I HATE ALL OF YOU!!!!!!!! ]
Nick S Bensema (ni...@primenet.com) wrote:
> I'm ditching this thread, but chew on this:
YM "I'm ditching this thread right now; IYKWIM, AITYD". HTH.
> A license is supposed to certify that someone is qualified and competent
> to perform some sort of function. What other licensed activity, other
> than driving, results in multiple accidents or other malpractice EVERY
> SINGLE DAY?
Chew on *this* answer, Arizona-boyEEEE:
What other licensed activity, other than driving, results in multiple
accidents or other malpractice EVERY SINGLE DAY?
How about...
*POETIC* Licenses!
So THERE!!!!!!!!
Squeezes,
Tom Richardson
P.S.--If you doubt me, just ask "Jesse Garon". Man, that d00d has his
poetry registered with the FBI as a deadly weapon. He's not even
allowed to speak in verse on airplanes.
Really.
P.P.S.--Genius is pain!
M. Otis Beard
Phoenix Radio Man wrote:
>
> What smacks of something may not necessarily be something. There is a
> difference, even if you fail to see it.
No, I agree, and I'll take your word for it. . . sorry if I seemed a
little harsh there. I should have just taken a deep breath and tried to
explain WHY it isn't impossible for me to understand your world.
I spent a week without the use of my eyes once. It was scary and
difficult.
> I ask not for pity of any kind
> (that statge left me about 7 years ago).
Pity is something you won't get from me, ever. If I like you, you
might get some compassion. . . but the two are worlds apart.
> However, the best way to
> understand someone is to live their life. there are no exceptions to
> that rule. Unfortunately, since very few have an understanding, they
> fail to realize what we CAN do. They always focus on what we can't (like
> you did with the "driving" comment).
I only brought up your inability to drive because it related directly
to the excellent point you made in re the Phoenix mass transit
discussion. You don't have the option of driving yourself around, and
someone else earlier in the thread blatantly ignored the fact that
people like you are not uncommon. My main point was that it's
ridiculous to pretend that differences between different types of people
don't exist. Blind people can't drive (then again, sighted people
usually can't find their way around in the dark, even in a room with
which they are intimately familiar). People in wheelchairs can't
negotiate stairwells. People with acute Tourette's syndrome can't stop
themselves from making oddly inappropriate vocalizations. If we fail to
acknowledge these differences and make accomodations for them, then we
end up with a world designed ONLY for people who have no unusual needs.
. . a world with no bus system, no Braille and no wheelchair ramps where
Tourette's sufferers get their asses kicked for being profane. Those of
us who have no unusual needs have a vested interest in providing those
who do with some means of dealing with it all, because any of us could
be blinded or paralyzed or otherwise afflicted at any time.
Don't get me wrong, though -- it's one thing to say that you can't
drive because you can't see, and quite another to say that you can't
lead a happy, fulfilling, productive, exciting life because you can't
see.
> I stand by this opinion, based in
> the most part on facts. Ask someone what its like to be blind and most
> people answer firstly: "I can't even imagine what that must be like".
> Then they start to feel sorry for you.
Doesn't it suck when you know somebody is getting their pity all over
you? Pity is inherently condescending, and condescension is inherently
insulting.
> I believe what I do based on
> ACTUAL experience over the last 9 years. I used to drive, I rode bikes
> and flew an airplane as a hobby. I miss all that, but I can still type
> and still use a computer.
If you're like most people, there must be SOME good things about it,
even if they don't BEGIN to balance with the disadvantages. I seem to
recall reading somewhere that recent study indicates that the
newly-blind experience some rerouting of the visual area of the cortex
such that certain other senses are heightened. It's an old cliche that
the blind have more acute hearing than the sighted, but this is the
first real evidence that seems to support that.
But I digress. The real point I want to make here is that treating
you with kid gloves on USENET because of your blindness would be an
insult to you and likely to make you feel left out of a lot. If I were
sitting in a room with a bunch of people who were joking with each
other, punching each other on the arm, good-naturedly calling each other
names, exchanging ribaldries, etc. etc. and they were all studiously
POLITE to me, excluding me from the general banter, then I would be
hurt. I'm sure you don't need this explained to you. Interesting,
though, how people are willing to angrily leap to your defense when you
yourself don't feel in need of being defended.
> > have to be pretty fucking stoopid to be incapable of understanding
> > something as simple as sightlessness, and I'm insulted that you would
> > think otherwise. It's a lot harder for me to understand and empathize
> > with the intellectual blindness of someone like Schwann than it is for
> > me to put myself in YOUR shoes.
> I am sorry you feel that way, but until you live it 24/7 like I do, you
> really have only the barest concept of what it must be like.
Again, my comments here were a bit harsher than I meant them to be.
Still, I think that what you say about having only the barest concept of
what it must be like is an overstatement, and I disagree. I think there
are many subtleties that can't be appreciated without the experience,
but the basics of the situation can be easily grasped by anybody with a
decent imagination and half a brain (lots of people don't have either,
which explains the "I can't imagine that at all" response you hear so
often). Anyway, I HAVE lived it 24/7 like you do, but it was only for
one 7, thank gh0d.
> Intellectual blindness has its own problems (of which I suffered from
> when I was somewhat younger and thought I knew everything). You
> understand more about that than you think. We all do, having been a teen
> once. Unfortunately, some people don't grow out of it (A byproduct of
> their learning environment, I suppose). In the meantime, I fight and
> scratch everyday for what I think is right. It may not be right to you,
> but I have a belief and a sense of ethics that I cannot violate. It
> would be so simple to ignore such problems, but as I have leanred,
> ignorance only gets a person hurt.
There's a nicely subtle backhanded slap in the face for me in the
paragraph above. I had it coming for being overly harsh with you in my
last post, and it was skillfully done, so I'm just going to take it like
a man and keep my mouth shut.
> > For what it's worth, I thought you made an excellent point regarding
> > public trasportation in Phoenix and in general, but I wasn't dealing
> > with your politically charged issue at all. I was making an aside and
> > dealing only with your sightlessness and Chris' statement to the effect
> > that it was wrong of me to make fun of you. Like I said before, either
> > you have a sense of humor and we can be friends, or you don't have a
> > sense of humor and you can blow me.
> Thank you. I do appreciate that, even if I don't make much mention of
> it. Yes, My mistake in failing to realize the import of your second
> sentence here. As I posted previously, I did get a chuckle out of it,
> unfortunately, I ignored it when responding (a defect in perception and
> action, I think). No harm done, though in some circles, it can get a
> fist in the mouth (like has happened to me a few times)....
Just for the record, I seriously doubted that you actually had
somebody reading to you, and I fully expected you to read my post
supposedly directed to that person. The joke was for your amusement as
much as anybody else's, and I'm glad you laughed. Welcome to
alt.religion.kibology!
> Pardon my militant nature. Some people only understand force.
Here in a.r.k., we only understand farce.
Brian Trosko
Phoenix Radio Man <Phx_ra...@juno.com> wrote:
: I ask not for pity of any kind
No pity. Just money.
Brian "Sorry; I gave all my pity to that guy who lives under the bridge"
Trosko
Lisa Rea
So then, anti...@asu.edu (Neil) is all like:
>First, you all take it upon yourself to make "fun" of someone's
>physical disability, and not even to his face, but on Usenet, like a
>bunch of spineless cowards.
Yeah, that's pretty cool, huh? Most guys can only act like one
spineless coward at once. I will have you know that my fiance has more
spinelessness and cowardice in his little finger than a thousand
regular men have in their whole bodies.
>Then you pompously declare that he should
>either laugh along with you or "go fuck himself", as though you
You will notice "Neil," that, in a later post, Mr. Beard kindly made
amends by telling him that if he didn't have a sense of humor, he
could blow him. If that's not altruistic, I dunno what is.
Is it just that you want to take advantage of his generosity and give
him a blowjob, too?
M. Otis Beard
Neil wrote:
>
> On Sun, 14 Sep 1997 00:34:01 GMT, lis...@dim.com (Lisa Rea) wrote:
>
> >You will notice "Neil," that, in a later post, Mr. Beard kindly made
> >amends
>
> What a guy! First he acts like a coward. Then he's not even man enough
> to stick to his guns.
Look, I don't have a lot of time for this today. Do you want to give
me a blowjob or not? I've only got about an hour, and it takes me a
good 45 minutes MINIMUM to blow my load, so if you're gonna suck it,
"Neil," you'd better hurry up and get started.
M. Otis Beard
Bill wrote:
>
> You are a real delight!
I wuv 'oo too, Bill!
> I bet you are hilarious in a quadraplegic ward.
Yeah, I do stand-up comedy there. Get it? STAND-UP comedy?
> And then I find out you don't even live here in Phoenix, just sticking your
> nose in.
No, the message I replied to was cross-posted into
alt.religion.kibology, which is a teddibly teddibly droll sort of
newsgroup and not for the faint of heart. Or the numb of skull, like
you.
Isn't it kewl how I can call you a numbskull, and you can't say
anything in reply because you can't read this message 'cause you've
killfiled me? Someday I hope to get into all the killfiles in the world
so I can rant and rave endlessly about whatever bugs me, and nobody will
beable to disagree with me or call me names because they WON'T EVEN READ
MY POSTS IN THE FIRST PLACE.
> Well, good bye M. Otis Beard. You can ridicule all you want ... but I'll never
> see it.
Neither will Phoenix Radio Man, but I'll still get an intelligent reply
out of HIM. . . which is much more than I can say for you, poopy bear.
Don't reply to this message if you're as dumb as I think you are, OK?
OK!
Lisa Rea
So then, tric...@ionet.net (Thomas M Richardson) is all like:
> [ I was going to post something about how happy I was to see
> that Joe Bay was back and all, but then I read some e-mail
> about how he got to hang out at Lisa's and that made me real
> mad and jealous and now I HATE ALL OF YOU!!!!!!!! ]
WOO WOO! You are SEXXY when you hate everyone!
Here is a story about me taking a bath. This story is only for you.
This story is automatically SEXXY because I am a girl, plus I was
almost NEKKED in this story:
I was trying to remember how to wash my hair before, but I could not!
I am not trying to copy from Joe Bay's post about not remembering how
to wash his hair, because not only do I have Mr. Bay killfiled, but I
have not even READ that post!
But that was the LEAST of my problems, as someone had spilled a bunch
of OLIVE OIL on the floor and I fell down and accidentally, well,
"did" Don Knotts, whom I had accidentally tied up and left on my
bathroom floor in an incident several days ago that I don't want to
talk about anymore because I have some of that post-traumatic stress
and shit.
Then, I was calling a bunch of telephone numbers looking for Penny
Cartwright because I think that she is really hot and I wanted to go
on a date with her. AND I ACCIDENTALLY CALLED SOMEBODY ELSE and
accidentally said that I was watching them through the window!
Woops! MY BAD!!! But it is not really my fault because I have that
"turret syndrome," which means that I am waiting for Prince Charming
to come and pull my hair, because I am seven years old and plus, it
makes my head feel all sexXy when somebody pulls my hair, especially
when it is some really cute boy who also does my math homework for me.
It is like I am living in this ivory tower, which is mostly because I
got, like, this really good score on my GED, and then they tried to
make me go into Mensa for that. Fuckheads.
So, anyhows, then, while I am almost NEKKED and I am on the phone with
you or that guy who I think was you, the operator came on and said
that the call was coming from INSIDE THE HOUSE!!!
I was really scared when that happened! But then I remembered about
fear not being scared of something happening, but being scared of YOU
doing that thing.
I hope that you can see how much philosophy I am talking about right
now, but I guess that you probably didn't get such a good GED score as
me, so do not have low self-esteem if you don't understand some of the
parts of this.
Yours in Unrequited Bloodlust,
A Girl.
joseph richard koleszar
In article <5vf8qr$l0o$1...@gte1.gte.net>,
M. Otis Beard <movin...@geocities.com> wrote:
>Phoenix Radio Man wrote:
>>
>> What smacks of something may not necessarily be something. There is a
>> difference, even if you fail to see it.
>
> No, I agree, and I'll take your word for it. . . sorry if I seemed a
>little harsh there. I should have just taken a deep breath and tried to
>explain WHY it isn't impossible for me to understand your world.
> I spent a week without the use of my eyes once. It was scary and
>difficult.
Ditto here. 9 days. It sucked.
Ralph
--
Joseph Richard "Ralph" Koleszar | jkol...@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
I AM THE ANTIBOB(c)! I AM THE ANTIBOB(c)! I AM THE ANTIBOB(c)!
For the love of God, don't take me seriously.
Lupus Yonderboy
Thus spake jkol...@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph richard koleszar):
>>little harsh there. I should have just taken a deep breath and tried to
>>explain WHY it isn't impossible for me to understand your world.
>> I spent a week without the use of my eyes once. It was scary and
>>difficult.
>
I lost a contact once. Trying to see with one eye but
not the other gave me a nasty headache, but SUPER
POWERS!!!!!
I also once forgot how to spell "of" but I didn't get
any super powers out of that.
HOW MANY FINGERS??!??!?!?!??!?!?!?
--
Alex Suter
"The new phone books are here!"
http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~asuter/
Well basically
Dear Ms. Rea:
You are clearly suffering from acute chronic anxiety over the prospect
of slowly degenerating by stages down and down deeper and deeper,
closer ever closer to the final descent into anonymous oblivion. I
regret to inform you that current regulations do not allow for any
obvious means of diversion from this prognosis. Please do not
struggle, as it is very upsetting to some of us who are merely trying
to enjoy our magazines, and could conceivably have a detrimental
effect on our morale. We cannot be good citizens if we are unhappy
and depressed. You are attempting to make us unhappy and depressed,
ergo, you are trying to make us into bad citizens. Please do not
compound your difficulties with such treasonous activities. We regret
our complete and total inability to assist you in any way during this
your period (ahem) of mortal crisis. We do, however, hope that you
can glean some shred of relief from the pithy reflection that the
universe does not, in fact, revolve around you. We know this for a
fact, because in fact it does in fact revolve around me. Anyway,
being myself only 23 inches high (or long, depending on your position
relative to such issues), and dead on top of that, I really find it
difficult to imagine how my personal angst could ameliorate your own
wretched experiences. Please thank you for my time. And now I must
sear your initials into my flesh with a soldering iron. We hope that
you will deeply appreciate our very special attempt to help you out in
no way whatsoever, and that henceforth you shall speak normally, and
sanely, in a quiet and self-contained manner so as not to disturb the
contemplation and digestion of your fellow inmates. Please note that
I have not at any time assumed that you were talking specifically
about me. This is, most strictly, a perfectly general complaint and
could have been made by absolutely anybody.
joseph richard koleszar
In article <5vhgnj$7t4$1...@Radon.Stanford.EDU>,
Lupus Yonderboy <asu...@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> wrote:
>HOW MANY FINGERS??!??!?!?!??!?!?!?
Just two. But they're the ones in the middle.
Well basically
Phoenix Radio Man
joseph richard koleszar wrote:
> In article <5vf8qr$l0o$1...@gte1.gte.net>,
> >>
> >> What smacks of something may not necessarily be something. There is a
> >> difference, even if you fail to see it.
> >
> > No, I agree, and I'll take your word for it. . . sorry if I seemed a
> >little harsh there. I should have just taken a deep breath and tried to
> >explain WHY it isn't impossible for me to understand your world.
> > I spent a week without the use of my eyes once. It was scary and
> >difficult.
>
>
> --
> Joseph Richard "Ralph" Koleszar | At least you have an understanding (both of you). I am speaking to the vast majority that does not (or will not). Too many people take too many things for granted in this life (eyesight being chief among them). They wonder why someone like me is so vocal about it. More to the point, most of the general population is affraid of those like me (because we ARE different).
I was at the mall today and disccovered to my horror what ignorance can
exist. A child wlaked up to me and asked if I was blind. I said yes.
About that time, her parent walked up and hustled the kid away speaking
softly so as for me not to hear (which I did), "don't go near people
like him, they are sick!"
The impression I got from this exchange was the parent was more
frightened of me than the child was. What is it that scares people about
those with disabilities anyway?????
About an hour later, I was sitting in a booth at the Carl's Jr. in
Metrocenter, and I heard two old ladies making commentary about how
people should feel sorry for one like me. I piped up and told them that
they should not. I was then greeted with such anger at this remark from
those two ladies (something like I invaded their space). Ignorance
abounds in many shades, from the "good intentioned passerby" to the
obvious biggot who has no room in "his" world for those less "perfect"
than he/she.
Jaffo
In alt.religion.kibology, on Sun, 14 Sep 1997 19:50:29 -0700, Phoenix Radio
Man said:
:The impression I got from this exchange was the parent was more
:frightened of me than the child was. What is it that scares people about
:those with disabilities anyway?????
Well, like most people with disabilities, I enjoy grabbing people randomly in
public places and yelling BOOGA BOOGA at them.
I hope I'm not causing grief for the rest of you.
Jaffo
--
Actually, a forest fire is MUCH easier to control than a government. A fire
cannot change the rules it operates under when it is attacked. A fire can't
vote itself immune to water.
Jaffo
In alt.religion.kibology, on Mon, 15 Sep 1997 04:57:59 GMT, Lisa Rea said:
:There used to be a little blind girl who lived down the street from
:me.
[Snip]
One time, I taught a blind girl how to golf. My parents sent me to this camp
for crippled children (perhaps the WORST experience of my life).
I had many sad and pathetic adventures there including:
Pushing a guy in a wheelchair down a hill too fast so we both fell down and
his chair tipped over. No injuries, just permanent emotional scars on both of
us. More on me since I was DRIVING dammit. Gravity is a harsh mistress.
Then there was the time when the sadistic camp counselors tried to scare us
and everybody was scared except the deaf kids who slept through the whole damn
thing and the INCREDIBLY STRONG kid with no legs who got scared and started
breaking things.
Then there was the blind girl who I taught to golf. She wasn't COMPLETELY
blind, she could see patterns of light and dark and contrast, so she could see
a white golf ball against the dark green of the course.
Everybody else was golfing and she was just standing there, so I started
talking to her about being blind and I had her pick up a club and try to hit
the ball. She did, so I set the ball up for her and said, "a little to the
left" "a little to the right" until she finally got it in the hole.
It was pretty cool.
But if you ever have a handicapped child, and someone offers to take them to a
"special camp," say NO. The counselors are bitter and resentful because they
wish they were around normal kids, and putting that many kids with that many
disabilities in one place is just ASKING for trouble.
It's probably better to send your handicapped child to a NORMAL camp and make
special arrangements for them. Being around normal children is probably a LOT
healthier in the long run.
HTH
Neil
On Mon, 15 Sep 1997 04:57:59 GMT, lis...@dim.com (Lisa Rea) wrote:
>Also, that "Neil" guy. I feel sorry for him, too.
Thanks, but I'm 20/20 and going strong.
"Neil"
Robert Basil
On 14 Sep 1997 00:58:25 GMT, "M. Otis Beard"
<movin...@geocities.com> wrote:
> Look, I don't have a lot of time for this today. Do you want to give
>me a blowjob or not? I've only got about an hour, and it takes me a
>good 45 minutes MINIMUM to blow my load, so if you're gonna suck it,
>"Neil," you'd better hurry up and get started.
Wow, I didn't know that the "Cyber-Sitter" software would let you type
the word "BlowJob". By the way, with the nick "Moving Hand" why would
you need a blowjob in the first place?
---
Robert Basil
Live Online: http://webmaster.arizonainternet.com
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Chris
M. Otis Beard wrote:
>
> Chris wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Phoenix Radio Man wrote:
> > > >
> > > > for. I doubt very much you would feel the same after spending a year in
> > > > a blind man's shoes, would you? I am blind and have to depend on this
> > > > "joke for a bus system". And thats exactly what it is compared to
> > > > smaller cities with better bus systems: A JOKE!
> > >
> > > TO THE PERSON WHO READS USENET POSTS TO THIS GUY: Don't read any of
> > > the jokes we're about to make at his expense to him, OK? It'll be WAY
> > > funnier that way. THANKS.
> >
> > What if he has a Braille newsreader? ;-) Really, though, I don't think
> > it's too funny to make fun of blind people! (or anybody who is forced
> > to ride the transit system in its present state)
>
> be surrounded by smarmy condescending people pussyfooting around,
> pretending not to notice my blindness and trying desperately not to
> accidentally make fun of me for it. I'd want to be treated pretty much
> like everybody else (insofar as that would be possible, anyway). That
> includes being made fun of now and again, be it for blindness,
> hebephrenia, insertion of Taiwan or chronic virginity. If Phoenix Radio
> Man has a sense of humor that allows him to laugh at himself and his
> shortcomings, then he's one of us and deserves to be treated as such.
> If he *lacks* a sense of humor, then he can go fuck himself until he's
> making fun of Nick Bensema for being unable to get laid, and for a guy
> his age, that's gotta be at least as sensitive a sore point as blindness
> is for PRM.
Well, I have no idea who this Nick Bensema is, but even not being able
to "get laid" as you so romantically put it, is not a thing about which
you should make fun of. Maybe in alt.rec.humour.cantgetlaid, but not in
az.general. Yes, there are many personal attacks against opinions,
dialect, heritage, and grammar in here, but I'd rather not see it become
a group that picks people apart for what they can't help rather than
what they stand for.
Chris
Roger....@tafensw.edu.au
In article <5vhgnj$7t4$1...@Radon.Stanford.EDU>,
asu...@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Lupus Yonderboy) wrote:
...
>
> I lost a contact once. Trying to see with one eye but
> not the other gave me a nasty headache, but SUPER
> POWERS!!!!!
>
VISION, because you would keep walking into things.
It would be useful if you wanted to buy a new pair of shoes, though.
--R.
-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
Well basically
>food restaurants looking for someone to feel sorry for.
>Also, that "Neil" guy. I feel sorry for him, too.
>
I feel sorry for people that feel sorry for people that feel sorry for
people. Especially when the people that the people feel sorry for
that the people feel sorry for that I feel sorry for don't even feel
sorry for themselves. I'm sorry.
Joseph Michael Bay
Phoenix Radio Man <Phx_ra...@juno.com> writes:
>of a sad case. You appear to be defending my position, but I must warn
>you, sometimes you will get caught in the cross fire here.
Yeah, but it's a dry heat.
--
Joe Bay B1FF
Brought to you by a grant from the Annenberg CPB project, R()0LZ!
the Helena Rubenstein Foundation !!!!!!!!!1
and stooges like you. AMIGA 4EVER!
Lisa Rea
So then, Phoenix Radio Man <Phx_ra...@juno.com> is all like:
>I was at the mall today and disccovered to my horror what ignorance can
>exist. A child wlaked up to me and asked if I was blind. I said yes.
>About that time, her parent walked up and hustled the kid away speaking
>softly so as for me not to hear (which I did), "don't go near people
>like him, they are sick!"
There used to be a little blind girl who lived down the street from
me. She was my son's best friend's sister, so I'd take her with us
sometimes when we went places. This little girl was the sweetest,
funniest, smartest and toughest person I've known. She'd ditch her
cane on her front porch and ride her big brother's bike, she'd do
funny dances and say it was because she was blind so nobody could see
her, and tell her brother that it was good that she was already blind
because he was SOOOO gross he would turn her into being so blind that
she would never even be able to say the word 'see.'
Anyhows, when we'd go someplace, little kids would come up and ask her
questions about being blind. She loved those questions. She answered
them all, and these little kids would be fascinated. But sometimes,
you'd see some little kid start toward her and a parent would grab
them away and whisper angrily. I like to think she never knew about
that, but I can't really believe that.
One time, at the zoo, this ridiculous redneck man walked right up to
her and started laying hands on her, crying and telling her that Jesus
was going to make her see NOW!!! Before I could even get to him to
knock him into a million pieces, this little girl is trying to calm
him down, telling him that she is really very happy and doesn't mind
not being able to see, so please try not to be disappointed when it
doesn't work.
Now, I'm not saying that being blind made her all special and wise or
anything. She was, really. But not because she was blind. This is not
a made for TV movie.
Thing is, she was just a sweet little girl who really understood that
sometimes, people are assholes and that's really no skin off her nose.
>The impression I got from this exchange was the parent was more
>frightened of me than the child was. What is it that scares people about
>those with disabilities anyway?????
Kids, for the most part, aren't scared of stuff until they're taught
to be.
And those parents are just confused and scared and stupid. I can't
imagine how miserable and sad it would be to go through life with the
inability to discern physical from moral or emotional characteristics.
It's like they're living in some twisted fairy tale where all the bad
guys have limps and all the evil witches have dowager's humps.
>About an hour later, I was sitting in a booth at the Carl's Jr. in
>Metrocenter, and I heard two old ladies making commentary about how
>people should feel sorry for one like me. I piped up and told them that
>they should not. I was then greeted with such anger at this remark from
>those two ladies (something like I invaded their space). Ignorance
>abounds in many shades, from the "good intentioned passerby" to the
>obvious biggot who has no room in "his" world for those less "perfect"
>than he/she.
Me, I feel sorry for silly old biddies who need to sit around in fast
John Collins
Hee, hee, hee. Says it all, doesn't it!
Joseph Michael Bay <jm...@leland.Stanford.EDU> wrote in article
<5v7k0u$f...@saga19.Stanford.EDU>...
: ni...@primenet.com (Nick S Bensema) writes:
:
: >Well, thanks to approximately 300 Phoenix voters, I'll be bumming rides
: >every time I want to do anything more than about two miles away on the
: >weekend.
:
: Well, we don't need to take your guff, monkey boy.
:
: >And had you read the proposition, you would have realized that it
benefited
: >you people too. It would have funded some much-needed street
improvements.
: >That would have cinched it for me if I had to drive everywhere.
:
: You know what? We DID read it, and we don't much cotton to them
: gummint types telling us they're gonna help out with the roads. The
: roads are the way we like them. So back off.
:
: >You people must really enjoy fighting traffic, and expending gas on your
: >air conditioner while you're idling on a crowded freeway.
:
: Yeah, but it's a DRY HEAT.
:
:
: --
:
Lisa Rea
So then, a@a.a (Well basically) is all like:
>I feel sorry for people that feel sorry for people that feel sorry for
>people. Especially when the people that the people feel sorry for
>that the people feel sorry for that I feel sorry for don't even feel
>sorry for themselves. I'm sorry.
Yeah? Well, you know who I REALLY feel sorry for but I forgot to count
earlier when I was making the list of the people that I feel sorry
for?
YOU.
Yeah, YOU.
Why?
Because I am gonna kick your ass.
That is why.
HA.
Michael Straight
On 15 Sep 1997, Joseph Michael Bay wrote:
>
> Phoenix Radio Man <Phx_ra...@juno.com> writes:
>
> >of a sad case. You appear to be defending my position, but I must warn
> >you, sometimes you will get caught in the cross fire here.
>
> Yeah, but it's a dry heat.
AAAAAAAAAAAHH! You keep mispelling 'heaves'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SMTIRCAHIAGEHLT
Well basically
On Sun, 14 Sep 1997 22:29:31 -0500, ja...@onramp.net (Jaffo) wrote:
>In alt.religion.kibology, on Sun, 14 Sep 1997 19:50:29 -0700, Phoenix Radio
>Man said:
>
>:The impression I got from this exchange was the parent was more
>:frightened of me than the child was. What is it that scares people about
>:those with disabilities anyway?????
>
>Well, like most people with disabilities, I enjoy grabbing people randomly in
>public places and yelling BOOGA BOOGA at them.
>
>I hope I'm not causing grief for the rest of you.
>
>Jaffo
He's right you know.
Purport: Yes, asinine behavior in healthy, able bodied people of
means and property can only be explained as a reaction to sociopathic
behavior on the part of their inferiors - Further proof of the urgent
need for mandatory impressment and indenturitudinousness with
attendant seizure of land and chattels for the benefit of wealthy
landowners and their vassals, thanes, courtesans and fooles. Won't
you please contribute?
Just A Man
On 9 Sep 1997 22:47:00 -0700, ni...@primenet.com (Nick S Bensema)
wrote:
>Well, thanks to approximately 300 Phoenix voters, I'll be bumming rides
>every time I want to do anything more than about two miles away on the
>weekend.
>
>And had you read the proposition, you would have realized that it benefited
>you people too. It would have funded some much-needed street improvements.
>That would have cinched it for me if I had to drive everywhere.
>
>You people must really enjoy fighting traffic, and expending gas on your
>air conditioner while you're idling on a crowded freeway.
>
>--
>Nick Bensema <ni...@primenet.com> 98-KUPD Red Card Holder #710563
>~~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Hey, that kinda looks like... Tom Selleck!"
Well Nick,
Did you realize that this proposistion was for a permanent sales
tax...Like for the rest of our lives? To add some buses, left turn
lanes and plan for light rail.
It wasen't that I was opposed to the prop. just opposed to how FAT it
was. Trim it down to include a prop. for more buses and extended
hours/routes. THEN let us vote on the rail issue seperately...Don't
try to insult us by lumping the two together. What about the idea of
raising the bus fare A LITTLE and split the cost wirth tax
payers......yes, I realize that people who ride the bus are tax payers
too.
Mark
Lupus Yonderboy
Thus spake nos...@asu.edu:
People! Reduce fractions!
"Thanks, but I'm 1 and going strong."
Much better. And quite verbal for one, too.
stopcros...@on.net
John Collins
Keith Wood <kei...@bctv.com> wrote in article
<2zwF0wUN...@bctv.com>...
: In article <5v5c8k$7...@nntp02.primenet.com>,
: ni...@primenet.com (Nick S Bensema) wrote:
: [Well, thanks to approximately 300 Phoenix voters, I'll be bumming rides
: [every time I want to do anything more than about two miles away on the
: [weekend.
:
: Buy a bike. Get a job and buy a car. What right do you have to steal MY
: money for YOUR convenience?
:
What right do YOU have stealing MY money for your convienience? Federal
monies go to subsidizing the oil and auto companies in much greater volumes
than anything going towards mass transit.
Your ignorance is showing, Buckwheat!
Phoenix Radio Man
Well basically wrote:
> He's right you know.
> Purport: Yes, asinine behavior in healthy, able bodied people of
> means and property can only be explained as a reaction to sociopathic
> behavior on the part of their inferiors - Further proof of the urgent
> need for mandatory impressment and indenturitudinousness with
> attendant seizure of land and chattels for the benefit of wealthy
> landowners and their vassals, thanes, courtesans and fooles. Won't
> you please contribute?
What?!?!
Whats all this meaningless chatter you spouted supposed to be?
BTW, I posted this in Az.General only, so why is it being cross posted
to alt.religion.blahblahblah???????
In the meantime, I don't think your theological nonesense applies here
pal.
Well basically
On Mon, 15 Sep 1997 13:22:16 GMT, lis...@dim.com (Lisa Rea) wrote:
>Yeah? Well, you know who I REALLY feel sorry for but I forgot to count
>earlier when I was making the list of the people that I feel sorry
>for?
>
>YOU.
>
>Yeah, YOU.
>
>Why?
>
>Because I am gonna kick your ass.
>
>That is why.
>
>HA.
>
>
It's because I was mean to Jaffo isn't it. Oh, I'm sure you were
making great progress with his ideological reeducation and everything,
but dammit an example had to be made. This ain't no popularity
contest. Now why don't you get your fanny back in that kitchen and
rustle up some fancy homemade pie? You know, you could make somebody
a passable little wife someday. If you wasn't so ornery!
Jesse Garon
jm...@leland.Stanford.EDU (Joseph Michael Bay) writes:
>Phoenix Radio Man <Phx_ra...@juno.com> writes:
>>of a sad case. You appear to be defending my position, but I must warn
>>you, sometimes you will get caught in the cross fire here.
>Yeah, but it's a dry heat.
Joseph Michael Bay of Stanford University, are you going to try that
"it's a dry heat" line on fellow Cardinal frosh Chelsea Clinton? The
world demands to know if you're going to ask her to the sock hop!
"Jesse Garon": the God damnedest mass of tact known to the human race
---------------------------------------------------------------------
gri...@primenet.com http://www.primenet.com/~grifter/jesse.html
Neil
On 15 Sep 1997 15:40:52 GMT, asu...@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Lupus
Yonderboy) wrote:
>Thus spake nos...@asu.edu:
>>lis...@dim.com (Lisa Rea) wrote:
>>>Also, that "Neil" guy. I feel sorry for him, too.
>>
>>Thanks, but I'm 20/20 and going strong.
>
>People! Reduce fractions!
>"Thanks, but I'm 1 and going strong."
>Much better. And quite verbal for one, too.
Anyone know what time "1" is on tv tonight?
-Neil (proud owner of a 16 Toyota)
Joseph Michael Bay
gri...@primenet.com ('Jesse Garon') writes:
>>Yeah, but it's a dry heat.
>Joseph Michael Bay of Stanford University, are you going to try that
>"it's a dry heat" line on fellow Cardinal frosh Chelsea Clinton? The
>world demands to know if you're going to ask her to the sock hop!
You've RUINED EVERYTHING. Now it's out in the open. Soon the Sekrit
Service will be at my door, asking questions of my old ex-hippie roommates
and setting up bugs in the outlets, which is redundant because I already
share my room with a largish colony of smallish ants who live in the
electrical outlet. Yessir, the heat is on now.
Jesse Garon
>>>Yeah, but it's a dry heat.
>>Joseph Michael Bay of Stanford University, are you going to try that
>>"it's a dry heat" line on fellow Cardinal frosh Chelsea Clinton? The
>>world demands to know if you're going to ask her to the sock hop!
>You've RUINED EVERYTHING. Now it's out in the open. Soon the Sekrit
>Service will be at my door, asking questions of my old ex-hippie roommates
>and setting up bugs in the outlets, which is redundant because I already
>share my room with a largish colony of smallish ants who live in the
>electrical outlet. Yessir, the heat is on now.
But it's a dry heat.
Ka...@no_spam.com
> I agree. This M. Otis Beard guy should be tied up and tickled
>until he wets himself.
Howdy folks!
Well, I've been following this thread and I thought I could
help out a bit here. I came across the following post on
asu.forsale.
**************************
Newsgroups: asu.forsale,asu.forsale.dept,asu.forsale.misc
Subject: WANTED: TICKLISH GUYS AT ASU
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 03:28:31 GMT
Reply-To: te...@TICKLING.COM
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M. Otis Beard
Neil wrote:
>
>
> Thanks, but I'm 20/20 and going strong.
I'm 7" and going limp. . . IN YOUR MOUTH.
M. Otis Beard
"Neil" wrote:
>
> Anyone know what time "1" is on tv tonight?
About half an hour after I climb into your kitchen window, tie you up
with your own underwear, and tattoo the word 'DUNGBEETLE' on your
forehead in giant H elvetica lettering. The only thing is, I can't
decide whether to dump your naked shivering freshly tattooed carcass in
Compton or Arkansas when I'm done with you. I myself have been called
an 'uppity northern Yankee niggerlover' in Arkansas because I failed to
pretend that I hate people for being black while I was down there, and
the klansters in Stuttgart threatened to break my kneecaps, but they
didn't do it. I think they're probably too wussy to trust with the job
even though they hate anything they can't understand (and they surely
wouldn't be able to understand you naked with 'DUNGBEETLE' tattooed on
your forehead). In Compton I think you'd be more likely to get what's
coming to you, so I'll shave your pasty white baboon ass and glue dollar
bills all over it before I kick you out of the speeding van into the
sultry Compton night as my way of saying thanks to the fellas down at
Playboy Liquors. I'm sure they'd love to come into some money this
evening.
Well basically
On 16 Sep 1997 06:08:05 GMT, "M. Otis Beard"
<movin...@geocities.com> wrote:
> Dear Well,
>
> There's still some india ink left in the bottle, and plenty of room in
>the van. Don't make me shave you with the same razor I'm using on
>"Neil" -- it's all rusty and crusty and full of his long, silky booty
>hair.
> If you aren't careful, Lisa might make somebody a passable little wife
>using YOU as raw material. A little nail polish, some mascara, an
>off-the-shoulder angora top with a little black miniskirt, maybe a good
>pistol-whipping, and you'll be ready for the singles scene! I might
>even take a hankerin' to you myself, drool drool slather drool.
>
Don't hump my leg, Fido. I'm a gonna whip some sense upside Ms.
Lisa's haid, and if'n we need a dog it ain't gonna be no mangy mutt
stray likes uh yew!
M. Otis Beard
Dear Well,
Lisa Rea
So then, a@a.a (Leather Tuscadero) is all like:
>It's because I was mean to Jaffo isn't it. Oh, I'm sure you were
>making great progress with his ideological reeducation and everything,
>but dammit an example had to be made. This ain't no popularity
>contest. Now why don't you get your fanny back in that kitchen and
>rustle up some fancy homemade pie? You know, you could make somebody
>a passable little wife someday. If you wasn't so ornery!
Please quit picking on me, Ms. Tuscadero. Please do not invent that
worthless destruction again. His estate files frivolous lawsuits
against me, and I am afraid of rock and roll. I cannot tell if it is
writhing or gamboling. I will make you a nice little wife. I
promise.
I will make you a tiny golem wife out of my toenail clippings
and shedded skin. She will clean your house and give it up whenever
you want. And every day, she will sing and dance and stare at you
with tiny clear eyes until you scream that she has to stop pointing
those things at you. She will blow you like blue smoke and waft in
and out of your cavities like cinnamony liquid love. She will bake
you tiny golem pies out of her body and she will collect the
pieces of you to knit herself a sweater. She will make you cry happy
and laugh sad and you will cry until your eyes are stuck-shut
swollen. And then, you will remember that I'm making you cry again
and you will be happy. Then you will be sad that you are happy, so
that you will be happy that you are sad so that you are sad that you
are happy until the funky moire of happy and sad hypnotizes you and
you suck yourself up into your tight little bunghole like a
postmodern icon fake 'brent' that some marketing fop made up in some
room where they had free donuts and weak coffee.
You will eat Crisco because it's digestible and drink paint thinner
because it's extreme.
And then, you can suck on my melted-lollipop toes all clear and
raspberry flavored and build a shrine to me in your ribcage.
Eat all you want. I'll regenerate.
I am a giant tricycle. I look easy, but after you get on me, you'll
find that you've forgotten how to take corners. Your muscle memory
will dismember. I will crash you into a wall at one mile an hour so
you have plenty of time to think about what you've done and to ding
my cartoon bell.
I am ur-girl. You were born knowing what to do with me, but they
took you in that room with their movies and their toothpicks, and
they taught the bile to rise to the back of your throat.
I am a snakecharmer. Every time I show you a stick or a pebble or a
tiny piece of flesh I've found among the gravel, your blood and your
bile and your phlegm and your piss and your vinegar come, and when
you try to make them stop, they go through you and pick up tiny
pieces of muscle and bone to bring as offering.
I am a toothache. You can try not to, but you will keep running
your tongue over me just to make sure I'm still there.
Love,
Genesis: Light! A He! A Rib!
Roger Douglas
On 11 Sep 1997 16:22:00 -0700, rob...@no-spam-arizonainternet.com
(Robert Basil) wrote:
>On Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:54:06 -0400, Michael Straight
><stra...@email.unc.edu> wrote:
>
[lengthy passage with word order reversed]
>*Someone* has way to much time on their hands.
>
I've been wondering about that. Does he sit and key in all this stuff
backwards, or has he written a nifty text-reverser as some sort of
programming project? Or is it all an accident caused by some sort of
Moebius strip forming in the interdimensional bozon flux?
--R.
Chris
Eric Oyen wrote:
>
> On Sun, 14 Sep 1997 22:31:41 -0700, Chris <nos...@netware.com> wrote:
>
> >Well, I have no idea who this Nick Bensema is, but even not being able
> >to "get laid" as you so romantically put it, is not a thing about which
> >you should make fun of. Maybe in alt.rec.humour.cantgetlaid, but not in
> >az.general. Yes, there are many personal attacks against opinions,
> >dialect, heritage, and grammar in here, but I'd rather not see it become
> >a group that picks people apart for what they can't help rather than
> >what they stand for.
> >
> >Chris
> I have been watching the antics of PRM and others in here. It seems to
> me that a few of you have learned by BAD EXAMPLES..
>
> Personal attacks because of opinion or racial heritage are wholly
> unacceptable (considered bad form in most upper crust circles).
> myself.
I agree with you whole-heartedly. I guess what I meant to say, is that
if you say something ridiculous or slanderous, expect (your rhetoric) to
be picked apart. Personal attacks, in any form, though, are
unacceptable. I can't see why a group of mostly very intelligent
intellects can't get along without bickering, cussing, and name-calling.
Chris
Outtatune
On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 23:51:26 GMT, lis...@dim.com (Lisa Rea), in a
blaze of cybernetic lucidity said:
[snip]
>I will make you a tiny golem wife out of my toenail clippings
>and shedded skin. She will clean your house and give it up whenever
>you want. And every day, she will sing and dance and stare at you
>with tiny clear eyes until you scream that she has to stop pointing
>those things at you. She will blow you like blue smoke and waft in
>and out of your cavities like cinnamony liquid love. She will bake
>you tiny golem pies out of her body and she will collect the
>pieces of you to knit herself a sweater. She will make you cry happy
>and laugh sad and you will cry until your eyes are stuck-shut
>swollen. And then, you will remember that I'm making you cry again
>and you will be happy. Then you will be sad that you are happy, so
>that you will be happy that you are sad so that you are sad that you
>are happy until the funky moire of happy and sad hypnotizes you and
>you suck yourself up into your tight little bunghole like a
>postmodern icon fake 'brent' that some marketing fop made up in some
>room where they had free donuts and weak coffee.
[snip]
>I am ur-girl. You were born knowing what to do with me, but they
>took you in that room with their movies and their toothpicks, and
>they taught the bile to rise to the back of your throat.
>
>I am a snakecharmer. Every time I show you a stick or a pebble or a
>tiny piece of flesh I've found among the gravel, your blood and your
>bile and your phlegm and your piss and your vinegar come, and when
>you try to make them stop, they go through you and pick up tiny
>pieces of muscle and bone to bring as offering.
>
>I am a toothache. You can try not to, but you will keep running
>your tongue over me just to make sure I'm still there.
Awesome imagery; crazy-cool grace
Seems I am doomed to the sideline
While these words wickedly trace
scalding little paths across the mind
[aiiieeee!]
So many caviler dansers pirouette
verbosity, sardonic chatter and then
a touch of frigidity and frost
as egos collide in a shower of sparks
[oooooooo...ahhhh....]
Every syllable, painfully extracted
no intriguing imagery for the crowd, I remain
capable only of petroglyphs... awed, distracted
by the hyperbolic reign of wit
[it is good...]
Occasionally and at risk of a singeing,
I venture forth with all the bravado
of a jack russell terrier; yapping
in the presence of the alphas
[gasp!]
A sinistrous, yet intrepid thing am I
inveigling a bit of ether, of space
for which I remain indebted or perhaps
bandaged and healing
[no regrets?]
-----------------------------------------------------
Cynic - n., An idealist whose rose-colored glasses
have been removed, snapped in two and stomped into
the ground, immediately improving his vision.
Paul Alan Sturm
Eric Oyen (n7...@psn.net) wrote:
[snip]
: I have also noticed that a better part of the debate in here usualyy
: takes place with the use of non-sequiter arguements (which often leads
: to personal attacks). I guess we should go to a class on debating and
: see how the pro's usually do it.....
Oh YEAH? Well you got four errers in this paragraph alone!
E Teflon Piano
}I will make you a tiny golem wife out of my toenail clippings
}and shedded skin. She will clean your house and give it up whenever
}you want. And every day, she will sing and dance and stare at you
}with tiny clear eyes until you scream that she has to stop pointing
}those things at you. She will blow you like blue smoke and waft in
}and out of your cavities like cinnamony liquid love. She will bake
}you tiny golem pies out of her body and she will collect the
}pieces of you to knit herself a sweater. She will make you cry happy
}and laugh sad and you will cry until your eyes are stuck-shut
}swollen. And then, you will remember that I'm making you cry again
}and you will be happy. Then you will be sad that you are happy, so
}that you will be happy that you are sad so that you are sad that you
}are happy until the funky moire of happy and sad hypnotizes you and
}you suck yourself up into your tight little bunghole like a
}postmodern icon fake 'brent' that some marketing fop made up in some
}room where they had free donuts and weak coffee.
We hereby nominate Mz.Higginz for a Nobel Proze in literature for this
passage, and name her Poet Larriat of the Ark.
--
E Teflon Piano is now AppleEvent aware, and is running under Mac OS 8.
ŠE[dibs] 1994-1997
Ted Frank
Lisarea wrote:
>I will make you a tiny golem wife out of my toenail clippings
>and shedded skin.
Can we invite her to the wedding, Kia? Can we, can we?
Lupus Yonderboy
Thus spake n7...@psn.net:
>I have also noticed that a better part of the debate in here usualyy
>takes place with the use of non-sequiter arguements (which often leads
>to personal attacks). I guess we should go to a class on debating and
>see how the pro's usually do it.....
Oh yeah? Well in Sydney they go topless on the beaches and
that means YOU SUCK!
>As for Phoenix Radio Man, he has my grudging respect. I may not like
>him, but I do respect him.
Enough machismo. Let's get to the FULL ANAL ACTION!!!1
--
Alex Suter
"HAVE WE ALL FORGETTEN DR. STRANGELOVE?"
http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~asuter/
Bruce Ediger
That's not writhing, that's tripeing.[1]
>I will make you a tiny golem wife out of my toenail clippings
>and shedded skin.
Trust me, folks, Lisa only *looks* like she collects toenail clippings
and shredded skin. She really doesn't collect them, 'cause when I showed
her my collection of tonsils, shedded skin, teeth and finger/toenail
clippings, she was grossed out.
As far as I know, I have the biggest collection of finger/toenail clippings
in the world. But that's only as far as I know.
---
1 - No, *I* am Spartacus!
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E Teflon Piano
In article <5vfa1r$io5$1...@gte1.gte.net>, movin...@geocities.com wrote:
} Isn't it kewl how I can call you a numbskull, and you can't say
}anything in reply because you can't read this message 'cause you've
}killfiled me? Someday I hope to get into all the killfiles in the world
}so I can rant and rave endlessly about whatever bugs me, and nobody will
}beable to disagree with me or call me names because they WON'T EVEN READ
}MY POSTS IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Change your name to Lee Shelton Bumgarner to achieve the same effect
right away.
Michael Straight
On Sun, 14 Sep 1997, Jaffo wrote:
> One time, I taught a blind girl how to golf. My parents sent me to this camp
> for crippled children (perhaps the WORST experience of my life).
Wow. I didn't know that you could send your kids to The Special Camp for
impotence.
There was a kid in my second-grade class who was impotent and we used to
make fun of him all the time. But then he grew up to be Sub-Zero.
Sub-Zero wins. Fraccid Victory.
And that...is the end of the story.
SMTIRCAHIAGEHLT
Paul Alan Sturm
Eric Oyen (n7...@psn.net) wrote:
: On 17 Sep 1997 12:58:26 GMT, st...@cs.umn.edu (Paul Alan Sturm) wrote:
: >Oh YEAH? Well you got four errers in this paragraph alone!
: Typical,
: Someone to nitpick at the supposed errors that I may, or may not, have
: in my arguement. If you have no better basis than this for refuting my
: point, the be off with you. Such inane commentary is not wanted and
: serves no useful purpose.
Lucy, I've got some 'splainin to do! Actually, this post represents my
first self-directed inappropriate crosspost into r.o.m. It's sort of a
'coming of age' rite for me as a journeyman kibologist. You see, those
mensans recently had a long and arduous debate centering around a small
sentence, 'Their are four errers in this sentance.' And so, I have, in
that post, amused myself at your's and the mensans' expense. This does
not, then, serve any useful purpose beyond that. This thread, you will
notice, has been crossposted into alt.religion.kibology for a long time
now, and so I disavow all responsibility for any silliness that results
from this.
This has been a public service announcement.
This disclaimer not required by Leader Kibo.
--
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diam nonummy nibh euismod tincidunt ut laoreet dolore magna aliquam erat
st...@cs.umn.edu volutpat. Ut wisi enim ad minim, lorem ipsum dolor sit.
Michael Straight
Wotan (wmcclatc) wrote:
: In article <34201fa3...@news.tafensw.edu.au>,
: Roger Douglas <Roger....@removethis.tafensw.edu.au> wrote while drinking:
: >On 11 Sep 1997 16:22:00 -0700, rob...@no-spam-arizonainternet.com
: Probably a text reverser. Since one of the perl boooks comes with one it
: shouldn't be hard to find. :)
No, I reverse the text manually, but a post like "Grocery Store Revenge" I can do
automatically with the Parody function (SHIFT-DD) in the latest update of vi.
Emacs, of course, can generate all of Steven Tanner's posts with only three keystrokes, but
that's way over my head.
SMTIRCAHIAGEHLT
Thomas R Scudder
dan...@trinity.bomb.mensa.net postulated:
: Just so you know; rec.org.mensa is in no way officially or
: unofficially sponsored by any local, national or international chapter
: of Mensa. It's just another newsgroup; believing that posts in ROM are
: from Mensans is highly and totally incorrect thinking.
Just so you know: alt.religion.kibology is the Official House Organ[*] of
the Church of Kibology. It is NOT just another newsgroup; it is the
taproot from which the mighty Tree of HappyNet will eventually grow to
cast its shadow over all the world. Believing that posts in ARK are from
Kibologists is Correct Thinking. Everything not compulsory is forbidden.
--
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ZEN SPAM FILTER NOTICE: Remove "" from the above address before responding.
Modest Crud / Odd Rum Sect / Red Mud Scot / Odd Rectums / Doc "Red" Smut
SEEKRIT MESSAGE TO KIBOLOGISTS: OPPORTUNITY FOR CHEEP 1-LINE JOKE MARKED
WITH A [*] ABOVE.
Paul Alan Sturm
dan...@trinity.bomb.mensa.net wrote:
: Just so you know; rec.org.mensa is in no way officially or
: unofficially sponsored by any local, national or international chapter
: of Mensa. It's just another newsgroup; believing that posts in ROM are
: from Mensans is highly and totally incorrect thinking.
Well, they Do seem to spend much time trying to prove/disprove the
membership-hood of various posters, but I would think that the group of
people claiming to be members of Mensa are at least 90% trustworthy...
Besides, how would one "sponsor" a newsgroup?
: After all, you posted here, didn't you?
Wha? Which "here" do you mean?
Paul "I'm officially sponsoring MY newsgroup, IYKWIM" Sturm
PS: What does M.E.N.S.A. stand for, anyway? [1]
--
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diam nonummy nibh euismod tincidunt ut laoreet dolore magna aliquam erat
st...@cs.umn.edu volutpat. Ut wisi enim ad minim, lorem ipsum dolor sit.
[1] Or just make your best guess :)
Neil
On 19 Sep 1997 00:05:24 GMT, st...@cs.umn.edu (Paul Alan Sturm) wrote:
>This non-sensical statement seems to belie a certain hostility Neil (if
>that IS your real name) has towards Mensa.
You betcha. I scoff at MENSA and all its members. The truly gifted
don't have a need to prove anything to anyone, except by their actions
(not including signing up for MENSA membership; I wonder how much it
costs).
Neil
Arizona State University
http://www.public.asu.edu/~neils
Neil
On 18 Sep 1997 22:06:21 GMT, st...@cs.umn.edu (Paul Alan Sturm) wrote:
>Well, they Do seem to spend much time trying to prove/disprove the
>membership-hood of various posters, but I would think that the group of
>people claiming to be members of Mensa are at least 90% trustworthy...
Anyone having to join an organization to prove (to themselves, to
others) that they're "smart" is not trustworthy.
"Show, don't tell...."
-Rush
Jaffo
In alt.religion.kibology, on Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:14:51 GMT,
dan...@trinity.bomb.mensa.net said:
:Just so you know; rec.org.mensa is in no way officially or
:unofficially sponsored by any local, national or international chapter
:of Mensa. It's just another newsgroup; believing that posts in ROM are
:from Mensans is highly and totally incorrect thinking.
:
:After all, you posted here, didn't you?
:
:Daniel http://trinity.mensa.net/danielc
It's easy for me to tell which posters are actually members of Mensa, because
I have an uncanny ability to determine IQ from brief passages of writing.
For example, based on the passage above, I believe Mr. Daniel Chez has an IQ
of 185.
But everyone knows that IQ is an out-dated, inaccurate way to measure
intelligence, so I prefer to rate people on a new scale developed by the
University of Chicago. It's call the Frank Scale, and it measures TQ.
It's like IQ, but they use some other word for "Intelligence." I forget what
the T stands for.
Anyway, it's proven to be a highly accurate measure of human intelligence.
It's a scale from 1-10.
For example, Albert Einstein would be about a 9.7 on this scale, and Forrest
Gump would be about a 3.6.
My TQ rating is 7.9, putting me well above the norm, but short of the true
geniuses.
Mr. Chez's IQ of 185 would place him at approximately 8.2 on the Frank Scale,
higher than mine, if that makes you feel better. <G>
I don't think Mensa accepts TQ scores yet; the system is still in development,
but once they get it perfected, it may replace the traditional IQ measurement
scale altogether.
Jaffo
--
Actually, a forest fire is MUCH easier to control than a government. A fire
can't change the rules it operates under when it's attacked. A fire can't
vote itself immune to water.
James J. Lippard
In article <3421b899...@news.primenet.com>, Neil <nos...@asu.edu> wrote:
>On 18 Sep 1997 22:06:21 GMT, st...@cs.umn.edu (Paul Alan Sturm) wrote:
>
>>Well, they Do seem to spend much time trying to prove/disprove the
>>membership-hood of various posters, but I would think that the group of
>>people claiming to be members of Mensa are at least 90% trustworthy...
>
>Anyone having to join an organization to prove (to themselves, to
>others) that they're "smart" is not trustworthy.
http://densa.com/
http://www.man.ac.uk/~zlsiida/text_files/densa.html
--
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Phoenix, Arizona http://www.primenet.com/~lippard/
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Steven Ramar
Hi There
Your wish about making driving a more expensive alternative is one step
closer to coming true. Heard on the tv last night that Arizona is
considering tolls for the highways
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
I'll bet, if the tolls are high enough, that will get the staunch auto
defenders onto the bus system, and begging for rail too! It's amazing
how quickly people change their "core values" once it becomes personally
inconvenient to live by them.
I very much hope for ALL of our sakes, that transit will QUICKLY become
a reality here in Phoenix. When you consider that LAS VEGAS has a
full-time transit system (7 days a week, 5am to 1am), with 31 bus routes
(serving a relatively small community), it shows that public transit is
NOT a contradiction to desert living.
Joseph Michael Bay
n7...@psn.net (Eric Oyen) writes:
>>Oh YEAH? Well you got four errers in this paragraph alone!
>Typical,
>Someone to nitpick at the supposed errors that I may, or may not, have
>in my arguement. If you have no better basis than this for refuting my
>point, the be off with you. Such inane commentary is not wanted and
>serves no useful purpose.
Does the fact that you may or may not have in your arguement if I have no
better basis than this for refuting your point the be off with me such
inane commentary is not wanted and serves no useful purpose explain
anything else?
--
Joe Bay B1FF
Brought to you by a grant from the Annenberg CPB project, R()0LZ!
the Helena Rubenstein Foundation !!!!!!!!!1
and viewers like you. AMIGA 4EVER!
Joseph Michael Bay
Otis Beard suddenly blurted:
> About half an hour after I climb into your kitchen window, tie you up
with your own underwear, and tattoo the word 'DUNGBEETLE' on your
forehead in giant H elvetica lettering.
I don't understand.
> The only thing is, I can't
decide whether to dump your naked shivering freshly tattooed carcass in
Compton or Arkansas when I'm done with you.
What happened when you are done with me?
>I myself have been called
an 'uppity northern Yankee niggerlover' in Arkansas because I failed to
pretend that I hate people for being black while I was down there, and
the klansters in Stuttgart threatened to break my kneecaps, but they
didn't do it.
Is it because they didn't do it that you came to me?
> I think they're probably too wussy to trust with the job
even though they hate anything they can't understand (and they surely
wouldn't be able to understand you naked with 'DUNGBEETLE' tattooed on
your forehead).
Maybe your plans have something to do with this.
> In Compton I think you'd be more likely to get what's
coming to you, so I'll shave your pasty white baboon ass and glue dollar
bills all over it before I kick you out of the speeding van into the
sultry Compton night as my way of saying thanks to the fellas down at
Playboy Liquors.
I would appreciate it if you would watch your tongue!
> I'm sure they'd love to come into some money this
evening.
What makes you believe they'd love to come this money?
Joseph Michael Bay
E...@The.Institute.org (E Teflon Piano) writes:
> We hereby nominate Mz.Higginz for a Nobel Proze in literature for this
>passage, and name her Poet Larriat of the Ark.
^^^^^^^^^^^^
YM "Lasso d'Amore". HTH.