Bill Gates Joke
Redmond Rose~
I guess Comdex is pretty flat these day.
http://www.seattletimes.com/topstories/browse/html/comd_111996.html
by Paul Andrews --Author of the Book Gates...
Seattle Times staff reporter
"LAS VEGAS - In this presidential election year, Comdex has chosen to build a bridge to
its past, providing about the same outcome as the Dole campaign.
[clipped]
Internet-aware update of an old joke making the rounds here: God decides to end the
world and summons President Clinton, Russian President Boris Yeltsin and Gates to give
them the news. Clinton comes back and tells Congress the good news is that God exists,
but the bad news is that the world will end in 30 days. Yeltsin tells his people the
bad news is that God exists and the worse news is the world will end in 30 days. Gates
sends e-mail to Microsoft employees around the world, saying the good news is that God
recognizes Microsoft as the standard, and the better news is that Netscape will cease
to exist in 30 days. to Microsoft employees around the world, saying the good news is
that God recognizes Microsoft as the standard, and the better news is that Netscape
will cease to exist in 30 days.
Mr. Andrews reported that Gates and Grove both did Keynotes on the past. Gates
reviewed his 1990 Information At Your Finger Tips keynote. I remember this one well.
Gates vision of the future in 1990 was being able to make your Excel bar chart out of
stacked coffee cup and have them make a dripping sound as you added a cup. It was so
stupid. They had a part with a sexy dumb blond making cherry pie with the theme to
Twin Peak playing. They also had people sending picture over a network. Problem was
that while we on the INTNERNET back then saw it clicked, the Microsofties who didn't
stray from home and were INTERNET brain dead, didn't click at all. And if Microsoft web
pages are any indication of their grasp of the internet, it still hasn't clicked. I
remember how funny it was in 1990 when Gates did that keynote. He was a major joke on
the INTERNET for years. I use to have the video, but it got lost. But I will never
forget how stupid Gates looked and how badly his voice cracked. Paul Andrews said he
was having trouble taking at this keynote too. I've seen him speak when he didn't do
this so it's very telling to us locals.
We had a local joke about Gates' wife back then too. This was before the marriage. So
Paul Andews reported that in his personal interview regarding the book "GATES" he asked
Gates if he had a POCKET PROTECTOR! Gates as usual was totally clueless in Redmond.
The name for his girlfriend (now wife) was POCKET PROTECTOR and WALLET CHASER! In her
attempt to PROTECT BILLS Pocket she also managed to prevent MS from getting with it by
keeping the boy else where, preoccupied.
Seems that the only push MS has at Comdex is called Windows CE for the little hand held
pocket computers. NOW that really is a PROCKET PROTECTOR.
READ the Article I mentioned and look at Paul Andews page on Personal Technology at the
Seattle Times Web. http://www.seattletimes.com/
They have this free trial offer for MSN being advertized on TV. 1-800-FREE-MSN
It's a totally voice automated system. Problem is that it's hard to give your address
because it cuts you off before you finish. I tried twice and then gave up. Go figure.
Only at Microsoft could somthing like this happen. : - )
Redmond Rose~ http://www.nwlink.com/~rosarium/
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Redmond Rose~
Chris Johnson wrote:
>
> In article <329289...@nwlink.com>, Redmond Rose~ <rosa...@nwlink.com> wrote:
> > They have this free trial offer for MSN being advertized on TV.
> 1-800-FREE-MSN
> >
> > It's a totally voice automated system. Problem is that it's hard to
> give your address
> > because it cuts you off before you finish. I tried twice and then gave
> up. Go figure.
> > Only at Microsoft could somthing like this happen. : - )
> >
> > Redmond Rose~ http://www.nwlink.com/~rosarium/
>
> talkreallyreallyfast.... ;)
>
> Jinx_tigr
> (aka Chris Johnson)
I'm always amazed with what I receive privately after I post something.
For 7 years I've fought the computer industry over the issue of racial
and sexual bias. White males control the industry and refuse to consider
the impact of designing computer to their taste without worrying about
the potential handicap it is for others.
In my web pages I mention from time to time that I work as a tutor with
racial minority children. I'm not sure why this person thinks I should
be offened by his comments. After dealing with Mr. Gates and his racist
and sexist attitudes, I wish I was black. I'm so totally and completely
ashamed of my own race and their arrogance and selfishness. Mr. Gates
had me black balled from working as an engineer or anything else in the
computer industry because of his views.
I'm trying to put a web together for this group. We are just prototyping
right now. The idea is to get the kids excited about the INTERNET. I
intend to put up web pages for all the children in the center. Other are
from Asian cultures. Some are form Somolia and I want their stories
told.
Qof Kasta oo Doonaya inuu Barto Luqada ingiriiska, Gaar' ahaan Si aad U
Kordhiso xirfad and Kula Tartanto Goobaha Shaqada, Iskuulka iyo ku
Noolaahshaha Dalkan U.S.A. Hadii aad Doonaysidi inaad Barato La Xidhiida
Qaybat Barashada ingiriiska ee guryaha.
This is what his language looks like. They say language programs the
brain. I say language is a blue print to cognitive differences that are
genetic. Those genetics will take generations to change. We computer
engineers study languages. Try trranslating the lingustics form this
into a computer program.
The racism and sexism in the computer industry is going to have to stop
or we are heading for total economic desaster. I have to question Mr.
Gates and Microsoft actions on this. I also have to question the White
Political establishment in this country.
J~
Redmond Rose~
Redmond Rose~ wrote:
>
> Chris Johnson wrote:
> >
> > In article <329289...@nwlink.com>, Redmond Rose~ <rosa...@nwlink.com> wrote:
> > > They have this free trial offer for MSN being advertized on TV.
> > 1-800-FREE-MSN
> > >
> > > It's a totally voice automated system. Problem is that it's hard to
> > give your address
> > > because it cuts you off before you finish. I tried twice and then gave
> > up. Go figure.
> > > Only at Microsoft could somthing like this happen. : - )
> > >
> > > Redmond Rose~ http://www.nwlink.com/~rosarium/
> >
> > You are supposed to be in a manic state of consumer lust and
> > talkreallyreallyfast.... ;)
> >
> > Jinx_tigr
> > (aka Chris Johnson)
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Scott Thomas
Redmond Rose~ wrote:
> I actually I'm very much white, but not too proud of that fact.
How sad for you.
It's an ugly thing that was said to you, but unless you have some pride
in yourself, you are going to have problems. You teach children, and
children will model your behaviours.
Snap out of it.
Steve Withers
In <329289...@nwlink.com>, Redmond Rose~ <rosa...@nwlink.com> writes:
>
.............
>They have this free trial offer for MSN being advertized on TV. 1-800-FREE-MSN
>
>It's a totally voice automated system. Problem is that it's hard to give your address
>because it cuts you off before you finish. I tried twice and then gave up. Go figure.
>Only at Microsoft could somthing like this happen. : - )
>
>Redmond Rose~ http://www.nwlink.com/~rosarium/
Five years ago, they would have said that it could only have happened
at IBM.
I'm glad to see the list is growing, at least.
Steve Withers - Wellington, New Zealand
steve....@ibm.net / swit...@nz.ibm.com
Councillor - Internet Society of New Zealand
Disclaimer: My views are *my* views. Make me an offer.
Handlebar
On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 12:12:33 GMT, s...@zipcon.net (Shea F. Kenny)
wrote:
I herd Bill gates and his wife
are getting a devorci, Because she will not do Windows.
Redmond Rose~
Yes, I heard she still is an Apple fan, especially since the baby.
Always seemed a bit ODD Gates marrying someone from the other side. But
then again, MS Wife 1.0 was always destine for an upgrade.
J~
PS: No I didn't shoot anyone. But given all the stress I've had over the
past 5 years of Microsoft retaliation and harassment, I sure didn't need
to be a witness to this. I just finished a web for the kids I tutored
that evening. It's a computer Seed project in a HUD housing complex.
http://www.nwlink.com/~mlkapts/
What is really interesting is that we have all these worthy computer
charities locally and Microsoft with all their money, doesn't give to any
of them. Since most are intened to help the handicapped, racial minoties
and poor there doesn't seem to be any return for Mr. GATES. He never
cuts loose with a cent, even when he really owes a debt if his attorneys
can get him out of it.
It was so strange to be leaving South Seattle and the Black ghetto and
then see a shooting in a relatively safe part of downtown Seattle. Maybe
with some pressure from Microsoft on the local DA I will be kept out of
court. That would sure be nice. I'm in so much pain all the time I don't
think I could handle this at all.
Jay Schamus
Redmond Rose~ wrote:
>
> What is really interesting is that we have all these worthy computer
> charities locally and Microsoft with all their money, doesn't give to any
> of them. Since most are intened to help the handicapped, racial minoties
> and poor there doesn't seem to be any return for Mr. GATES. He never
> cuts loose with a cent, even when he really owes a debt if his attorneys
> can get him out of it.
>
Gates won't cough up a cent to charity unless he gets to put his name on
the building, witness the computer center at Stanford U. (which is
already one of the best endowed colleges out there). It's another
reason I despise Bill Gates.
Jay Schamus
jay...@rcinet.com
Dean Dancey
This is the best Bill Gates joke that I have seen yet!!!
Bill Gates dies and ends up at the pearly gates talking to St. Peter.
St. Pete offers Bill a choice between going to hell or heaven, and also
offers to give him a tour of both places. Bill agrees to the tour, and
they go to hell. Hell, when they arrive is white sandy beaches,
beautiful tropic waters and native girls waiting on people hand and foot.
Bill sees this and replies; "if this is hell, I want to see what heaven
is like". So they go up to heaven, where they find it a peaceful place
in the clouds with winged people living in bliss. Bill decides he
prefers hell. St Peter sends him there.
A few weeks later, St Peter goes to hell and checks on Bill. He
finds Bill in a dark, damp dungeon, chained to a wall and being whipped
constantly. Bill asks what happened to the version of Hell that he saw
before. St. Peter replies: "Oh, that was just the beta version".
- I thought this was a good place to post this
one-Dean Dancey
Robert Iacullo
> Gates won't cough up a cent to charity unless he gets to put his name on
> the building, witness the computer center at Stanford U. (which is
> already one of the best endowed colleges out there). It's another
> reason I despise Bill Gates.
I've always said that Bill Gates is pond scum.
--
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http://www.serv.net/~eagle
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HellRazor
That's MISTER Pond Scum to you. Bud........and how many buildings have
YOU enowed lately....name or no...?
"Illegitimati Non Erosus"
Gary Sanders
Jay Schamus wrote:
>
> Redmond Rose~ wrote:
> >
>
> > What is really interesting is that we have all these worthy computer
> > charities locally and Microsoft with all their money, doesn't give to any
> > of them. Since most are intened to help the handicapped, racial minoties
> > and poor there doesn't seem to be any return for Mr. GATES. He never
> > cuts loose with a cent, even when he really owes a debt if his attorneys
> > can get him out of it.
> >
>
> the building, witness the computer center at Stanford U. (which is
> already one of the best endowed colleges out there). It's another
> reason I despise Bill Gates.
>
> jay...@rcinet.com
Hey I agree!!!!!! :-)
Bill Gates is ........????(You decide)...
Dave Tholen
Jay Schamus writes:
> Gates won't cough up a cent to charity unless he gets to put his name on
> the building, witness the computer center at Stanford U. (which is
> already one of the best endowed colleges out there). It's another
> reason I despise Bill Gates.
Not quite. Harvard is using $20 million of the $25 million donated by
Gates and Ballmer to construct a building that will be named
Maxwell Dworkin, after Mary Maxwell Gates and Beatrice Dworkin Ballmer,
their mothers. Not his name.
apen...@fiu.edu
Well, people, after watching Bill Gates on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno,
I still don't get how that guy is the richest man in the world (or
currently the second). The guy is a complete MORON! Even in his addresses
at Comdex, he sure look like he momorized each word he said! I mean, the
guy doesn't have any elocuency, no sense on fashion or humor, and a
terrible teste for operating systems, I mean GUIs (Win95)!!!
--
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Adrian Penalo
Computer Engineering (FIU)
Miami, FL (USA)
red...@mhv.net
In <57macb$f...@isis.fiu.edu>, apen...@fiu.edu writes:
>Well, people, after watching Bill Gates on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno,
>I still don't get how that guy is the richest man in the world (or
>currently the second). The guy is a complete MORON! Even in his addresses
>at Comdex, he sure look like he momorized each word he said! I mean, the
>guy doesn't have any elocuency, no sense on fashion or humor, and a
>terrible teste for operating systems, I mean GUIs (Win95)!!!
>
As long as the world has uninformed consumers, and morons that are
informed concumers.
Morons like Gates will be rich.
It would be alright if he was rich and he actually did something useful
for the computer industry, rather than bog it down with antiquated and
bloated OS's.
R.D.
Dos, Windoze, Fat, 1980's technology.
OS2 Merlin "Where I Want To Go Tomorrow"
Merlin says, "Speak, I understand."
John Ferman
> Well, people, after watching Bill Gates on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno,
> I still don't get how that guy is the richest man in the world (or
> currently the second). The guy is a complete MORON! Even in his addresses
> at Comdex, he sure look like he momorized each word he said! I mean, the
> guy doesn't have any elocuency, no sense on fashion or humor, and a
> terrible teste for operating systems, I mean GUIs (Win95)!!!
>
Bill Gates, as a young guy (under 20 was it), had a flash in a pan called
an operating system (what was its first name?). It happened to be the
best one for the time and with that leverage there was born the Microsoft
of today. Bill Gates did not acquire anything through hardwork
scholarship and he missed out on the seasoning that would have come with
that territory. So given that, who would expect Bill Gates to sound like
a erudite scholar. He has done very well doing what he knows how to do
best - make money. If he is to be faulted for that, then every rich man
of past history should be faulted. Ever hear of Andrew Carnegie - the
canny scots of steel. There are hundreds of towns across america that
have a Carnegie Library. Why shouldn't a few buildings have Gates on
them?
--
John Ferman
ferm...@maroon.tc.umn.edu
Loren Petrich
In article <ferma001-291...@pub-16-c-46.dialup.umn.edu>,
John Ferman <ferm...@maroon.tc.umn.edu> wrote:
>Bill Gates, as a young guy (under 20 was it), had a flash in a pan called
>an operating system (what was its first name?). It happened to be the
>best one for the time and with that leverage there was born the Microsoft
>of today. ...
I am left ROTFL.
When he was 20, he was still at Harvard, where he had studied
corporate law for awhile. And when he got into the business, it was to
produce computer-language interpreters and compilers. DOS was originally
someone else's rewrite of CP/M for the Intel-8088 chip, and BG bought it
after learning of IBM's plans to build a microcomputer using the 8088 chip.
But I agree that he has been something of a shyster and a scammer.
--
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pet...@netcom.com And a fast train
My home page: http://www.webcom.com/petrich/home.html
Mirrored at: ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/pe/petrich/home.html
Gregory Loren Hansen
In article <ferma001-291...@pub-16-c-46.dialup.umn.edu>,
John Ferman <ferm...@maroon.tc.umn.edu> wrote:
>Bill Gates, as a young guy (under 20 was it), had a flash in a pan called
>an operating system (what was its first name?). It happened to be the
>best one for the time and with that leverage there was born the Microsoft
>of today. Bill Gates did not acquire anything through hardwork
Bill Gates bought an operating system and modified it to run on IBM
hardware. It wasn't the best operating system around, and it wasn't the
worst. It was, however, the cheapest. Under the condition that any store
the carries it must pay a royalty on MS-DOS for every machine they sold
whether it had MS-DOS or not. This was an effective incentive to only
sell machines with MS-DOS, because if the customer wanted something else
he still had to pay the royalty plus a hefty sum for the new OS. And so
Microsoft became the industry standard. It was a brilliant strategy. It
was also quite illegal, but it took the Department of Justice a decade and
more to crack down.
What, you thought Microsoft became number one because of the quality of
their products?
>best - make money. If he is to be faulted for that, then every rich man
>of past history should be faulted. Ever hear of Andrew Carnegie - the
>canny scots of steel. There are hundreds of towns across america that
Some people do, in fact, fault every rich man of past and present.
I only fault Gates for his anticompetitive and illegal business practices.
There's some examples right now in the Bill Gates History thread, such as
outright stealing OLE and DoupleSpace.
--
Gouda's good but cheddar's better.
D.M.
Jay Schamus wrote:
>
> Redmond Rose~ wrote:
> >
>
> > What is really interesting is that we have all these worthy computer
> > charities locally and Microsoft with all their money, doesn't give to any
> > of them. Since most are intened to help the handicapped, racial minoties
> > and poor there doesn't seem to be any return for Mr. GATES. He never
> > cuts loose with a cent, even when he really owes a debt if his attorneys
> > can get him out of it.
> >
>
> the building, witness the computer center at Stanford U. (which is
> already one of the best endowed colleges out there). It's another
> reason I despise Bill Gates.
>
> jay...@rcinet.com
Wrong, I have a client that I have donated time to, a non-profit
hospice. They were using illegal copies of some of MS code. After
telling them the PC police could get them, and sujested they contact MS
to see if they would donate to a non-profit hospice; They did, and they
did. MS even offered more software than they wanted, and all of it free.
So do not tell me they are not sharing in their luck, because they do.
Chris Wilkinson
Hi there!
Robert Iacullo (ea...@serv.net) wrote:
: > Gates won't cough up a cent to charity unless he gets to put his name on
: > the building, witness the computer center at Stanford U. (which is
: > already one of the best endowed colleges out there). It's another
: > reason I despise Bill Gates.
:
: I've always said that Bill Gates is pond scum.
True indeed! Here in New Zealand we have Apples for kids, which is to
give young school kids Apple computers and 'net connections etc...NEVER
have I seen M$ involved in such a donation. I'm no Mac advocate but
Apple certainly are more charitable and helpful with those who need
access to the tools of tommorrow ie...our young...
Chris W.
/|\ ATARI Falcon030 16Mb/340Mb/DSP/FPU
Jay Schamus
In message <32A128...@foothill.net> - "D.M." <dw...@foothill.net> writes:
:>Wrong, I have a client that I have donated time to, a non-profit
:>hospice. They were using illegal copies of some of MS code. After
:>telling them the PC police could get them, and sujested they contact MS
:>to see if they would donate to a non-profit hospice; They did, and they
:>did. MS even offered more software than they wanted, and all of it free.
:>So do not tell me they are not sharing in their luck, because they do.
I was talking up Bill Gates. not M$. Corporate PR departments love these sort
of giveaways. BG probably knew nothing about it. If he did, he might of
nixed it, given his legendary stinginess.
|
| Jay Schamus
| jay...@rcinet.com
|
| "Meanwhile to the northwest, storm clouds gather over the
| new Barad-Dur. The Dark Lord stirs..."
|
Old-Fashioned Staffordshire Plate...
In article <petrichE...@netcom.com>, pet...@netcom.com (Loren Petrich) writes...
> When he was 20, he was still at Harvard, where he had studied
>corporate law for awhile.
Why am I not surprised.
> But I agree that he has been something of a shyster and a scammer.
It would appear you have studied understatement for awhile.
Tom O'Toole - ecf_...@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu - tom.o...@jhu.edu
JHUVMS system programmer - http://jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu/~ecf_stbo/
This message has been brought to you by bill gates, inventor of the internet
'The Internet'... is not a valid Win32 application, bill. Boycott bg shoveware!
D.M.
You trying to tell me Bill Gates does not call the shots at MS?
Besides it was said he does nothing. Now do not tell me that MS would
exist if he never lived. So if MS is a product of him, then why is not
something MS does a product of him, no matter how indirect.
He who is on top is always a traget of the wantabes. They cannot topple
him by honest hard work. As is well exampled by electing the best lier
to the presidency, the norm now in this country is to propagate lies, to
get ahead.
John Millington
>I still don't get how that guy is the richest man in the world (or
>currently the second). The guy is a complete MORON! Even in his addresses
>at Comdex, he sure look like he momorized each word he said! I mean, the
>guy doesn't have any elocuency, no sense on fashion or humor, and a
>terrible teste for operating systems, I mean GUIs (Win95)!!!
Well, I didn't see the show, but did he actually admit to using Win95
himself? I assume BG has a "personal" machine of his own (or a LAN of
them) in his bomb shelter -- What OS does it run?
I think the answer to that question would reveal something important about
BG. Either he's running non-Windoze, and the whole purpose of MS is to
fuck the world in some kind of Gail Wynand kind of way. Or he's running
Windoze95, believes what he says, is dull-witted, and incredibly lucky.
Which is it?
Yog-Sothoth Neblod Zin,
John Millington
CrazyOne - Greg Pacek
In article <5829t3$3...@mack.rt66.com>, slo...@mack.rt66.com (John
Millington) wrote:
> Well, I didn't see the show, but did he actually admit to using Win95
> himself? I assume BG has a "personal" machine of his own (or a LAN of
> them) in his bomb shelter -- What OS does it run?
>
> I think the answer to that question would reveal something important about
> BG. Either he's running non-Windoze, and the whole purpose of MS is to
> fuck the world in some kind of Gail Wynand kind of way. Or he's running
> Windoze95, believes what he says, is dull-witted, and incredibly lucky.
Great reference! I loved that Wynand remark, having just reread The
Fountainhead recently. :-)
Anyway, my guess to the OS at the Gates compound would be NT 4.0, rather
than 95. But that's only a guess.
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Bruce Ediger
slo...@mack.rt66.com (John Millington) wrote:
>Well, I didn't see the show, but did he actually admit to using Win95
>himself? I assume BG has a "personal" machine of his own (or a LAN of
>them) in his bomb shelter -- What OS does it run?
I heard he's running NeXTStep on an old NeXT "cube" - the one with the
Intel 860 plug-in "NeXTDimension" 24-bit color board.
And this makes a lot of sense, too, since *if* we believe Helen Custer
in "Inside Windows NT", NT's original design was what NeXT's version
of Mach already was.
>I think the answer to that question would reveal something important about
>BG. Either he's running non-Windoze, and the whole purpose of MS is to
>fuck the world in some kind of Gail Wynand kind of way. Or he's running
>Windoze95, believes what he says, is dull-witted, and incredibly lucky.
Agreed.
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HellRazor
On any given date, HellRazor from StraitEdge.Planet may write:
tend to stay whith what they know, so APPLE's idea was to get them
used to Apple computers so they would buy them in the future. Its
worked SO well, that Apple has had major financial difficulty. Could
mismanagement and/or unweildy product have anything to do with that?
BTW, there was a BIG article in the newspaper today, about the $73
million that MS has donated to charity over the last few years......
8-)
"Illegitimati Non Erosus"
Daniel Ts'o
In article <32980d6...@news.cyberhighway.net>,
ph...@cyberhighway.net (Handlebar) wrote:
:I herd Bill gates and his wife
:are getting a devorci, Because she will not do Windows.
And my favorite:
What did the new Mrs. Gates say on her wedding night ?
"Now I know why you called it Microsoft!"
Cheers,
Dan Ts'o
dan...@cris.com
Darin Johnson
>>The guy is a complete MORON! Even in his addresses
>>at Comdex, he sure look like he momorized each word he said! I mean, the
>>guy doesn't have any elocuency, no sense on fashion or humor, and a
>>terrible teste for operating systems, I mean GUIs (Win95)!!!
I don't want to defend Bill, and I personally think he's not all that
bright. But the above reasons you give for him being a moron are way
off track. A huge number of engineers have 2 or 3 of those traits,
and some went into technical fields precisely because they had no
people skills. In fact, it's almost stereotypical that engineers
have no fashion sense, how could you toss that in? People with
eloquence become managers and salesmen, something a true hacker
would never aspire to be.
--
Darin Johnson
da...@connectnet.com
David T. Wang
Bruce Ediger (bed...@csn.net) wrote:
: slo...@mack.rt66.com (John Millington) wrote:
: >Well, I didn't see the show, but did he actually admit to using Win95
: >himself? I assume BG has a "personal" machine of his own (or a LAN of
: >them) in his bomb shelter -- What OS does it run?
: I heard he's running NeXTStep on an old NeXT "cube" - the one with the
: Intel 860 plug-in "NeXTDimension" 24-bit color board.
: And this makes a lot of sense, too, since *if* we believe Helen Custer
: in "Inside Windows NT", NT's original design was what NeXT's version
: of Mach already was.
I was told by a friend who had worked at Microsoft that the Bill used
a Compaq computer running NT. This was two years ago, so I don't know
what he uses now.
: >I think the answer to that question would reveal something important about
Jay Schamus
In message <32A457...@foothill.net> - "D.M." <dw...@foothill.net>Tue, 03
Dec 1996 08:38:09 -0800 writes:
:>:>
:>You trying to tell me Bill Gates does not call the shots at MS?
:>Besides it was said he does nothing. Now do not tell me that MS would
:>exist if he never lived. So if MS is a product of him, then why is not
:>something MS does a product of him, no matter how indirect.
:>He who is on top is always a traget of the wantabes. They cannot topple
:>him by honest hard work. As is well exampled by electing the best lier
:>to the presidency, the norm now in this country is to propagate lies, to
:>get ahead.
I just said that Bill Gates probably didn't know about this particular case.
I saw on CNN monday morning that M$ is the top corporate giver in the country
($73 Million), "mostly software" (CNN's words). But let's look at how at
least one part of this vaunted charity works. M$ will 'give' Win95 licenses
to schools, charging $18 dollars for 5 licenses with the money going to cover
administrative and media costs. Very nice, but this doesn't cost M$ anything
since the schools couldn't afford to buy the software anyway. On top of this,
M$ gets to write of $977 (5 x $199 - $18) from their profits. With a
corporate tax rate of (I think) 37%, M$ makes a cool $361.49 off the deal.
Leave it Bill Gates and M$ to turn a profit off of 'charity'!! On top of
this, it boosts sales of Win95 since paranoid parents will fear that their
precious chilluns' will fall behind if they don't run out and buy Win95. Even
in the case of the Hospice, M$ made a profit since it cost them nothing to
grant the licenses, and they got to write off the full retail price of the
software. Neat, huh?!? Contrast this with the way Apple gives away, or
sharply discounts, HARDWARE and software to schools. Although, Apple has
other motives besides charity in doing this, at least they're probably not
making a profit directly from their charitible contributions. Like I said,
Bill Gates is slime.
Ray Untalasco
> I just said that Bill Gates probably didn't know about this particular case.
> I saw on CNN monday morning that M$ is the top corporate giver in the country
> ($73 Million), "mostly software" (CNN's words). But let's look at how at
> least one part of this vaunted charity works. M$ will 'give' Win95 licenses
> to schools, charging $18 dollars for 5 licenses with the money going to cover
> administrative and media costs. Very nice, but this doesn't cost M$ anything
> since the schools couldn't afford to buy the software anyway. On top of this,
> M$ gets to write of $977 (5 x $199 - $18) from their profits. With a
> corporate tax rate of (I think) 37%, M$ makes a cool $361.49 off the deal.
> Leave it Bill Gates and M$ to turn a profit off of 'charity'!! On top of
> this, it boosts sales of Win95 since paranoid parents will fear that their
> precious chilluns' will fall behind if they don't run out and buy Win95. Even
> in the case of the Hospice, M$ made a profit since it cost them nothing to
> grant the licenses, and they got to write off the full retail price of the
> software. Neat, huh?!? Contrast this with the way Apple gives away, or
> sharply discounts, HARDWARE and software to schools. Although, Apple has
> other motives besides charity in doing this, at least they're probably not
> making a profit directly from their charitible contributions. Like I said,
> Bill Gates is slime.
>
Apple is giving away their computers to schools the same way Microsoft
is giving away Internet Explorer. I believe some a writer in PC
Magazine called it "DUMPING". Only difference is Apple is doing it in a
more devine way (CHARITY). They're probably hoping that if children get
exposed to Apples when they're young they might become loyal Apple users
as adults. Smart way to increase market share....raise a new generation
of Apple users.
As far as the idea of MS making money from charity, I call it smart
Business. Afterall MS is not a non-profit organization. It amazes me
how you can get so moral when it comes to tax issues. Is there anybody
out there that loves to pay taxes?? I hate taxes. If MS can find a way
to save more money on taxes legally, more power to them. That's not
being SLIME that's being SMART.
Richard Turner
On 4 Dec 1996 01:50:40 GMT, da...@connectnet1.connectnet.com (Darin
Johnson) wrote:
>I don't want to defend Bill, and I personally think he's not all that
>bright.
You obviously haven't researched his past at all. This guy is one
smart cookie - both technically, and by any measure of business savvy.
Try doing some research into his past!
>But the above reasons you give for him being a moron are way
>off track. A huge number of engineers have 2 or 3 of those traits,
>and some went into technical fields precisely because they had no
>people skills. In fact, it's almost stereotypical that engineers
>have no fashion sense, how could you toss that in?
Absoulutely - walk around any half decent software dev' team and
you'll find that **usually**, the gurus are the hairy eyeballed geeks
that do nothing but disassemble parts of operating systems etc.
>People with
>eloquence become managers and salesmen, something a true hacker
>would never aspire to be.
Unless of course you're one of the very few gifted enough in both
technology and sales/marketing to straddle the fence ... like Gates.
>
>--
>Darin Johnson
>da...@connectnet.com
>
Mark Nixon
In message <5829t3$3...@mack.rt66.com> - slo...@mack.rt66.com
(John Millington)3 Dec 1996 15:34:11 -0700 writes:
:>
[sound of quote chainsaw]
:>Well, I didn't see the show, but did he actually admit to using Win95
:>himself? I assume BG has a "personal" machine of his own (or a LAN of
:>them) in his bomb shelter -- What OS does it run?
:>
:>I think the answer to that question would reveal something important about
:>BG. Either he's running non-Windoze, and the whole purpose of MS is to
:>fuck the world in some kind of Gail Wynand kind of way. Or he's running
:>Windoze95, believes what he says, is dull-witted, and incredibly lucky.
:>
[pan slowly in to a little office with dozens of boxes running
Tetris on different platforms. Long shot. BG, played by Harvey
Corman, frantically waves his arms]
BG: CHEAT CODES! I WANT CHEAT CODES!
:>Which is it?
:>
:> Yog-Sothoth Neblod Zin,
:> John Millington
Ummm, I'll take Yog-whatever. Sounds like a killer drink.
Mark Nixon
Un montrealais living in Denmark
Tor Atle H.Kleven
On 03-Des-96 23:34:11, John Millington wrote :
>In <57macb$f...@isis.fiu.edu>, apen...@fiu.edu writes:
>>Well, people, after watching Bill Gates on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno,
>>I still don't get how that guy is the richest man in the world (or
>>at Comdex, he sure look like he momorized each word he said! I mean, the
>>guy doesn't have any elocuency, no sense on fashion or humor, and a
>>terrible teste for operating systems, I mean GUIs (Win95)!!!
>himself? I assume BG has a "personal" machine of his own (or a LAN of
>them) in his bomb shelter -- What OS does it run?
>I think the answer to that question would reveal something important about
>BG. Either he's running non-Windoze, and the whole purpose of MS is to
>fuck the world in some kind of Gail Wynand kind of way. Or he's running
>Windoze95, believes what he says, is dull-witted, and incredibly lucky.
I think it was on one of the c.s.a-groups that someone suggested a
commercial for Amiga like this:
When BG is alone in his office, and knows he won't be disturbed, he
opens this secret hiding-place for his favourite computer. We see
BG from the other side of the room, enjoying the use of the secret
computer, and then the camera comes over, we all see.... :
Amiga
:-)
Tor Atle
# E-Mail : rat...@eunet.no #>>>>>>>> AMIGA <<<<<<<<#
# WWW : http://login.eunet.no/~ratleto/ #> Back for the future <#
red...@mhv.net
And the moral of the story is, "Never, Nerver, Ever buy software from
a company named after the founders penis."
Darin Johnson
>>I don't want to defend Bill, and I personally think he's not all that
>>bright.
>
>You obviously haven't researched his past at all. This guy is one
>smart cookie - both technically, and by any measure of business savvy.
>Try doing some research into his past!
Such as him helping write a basic interpreter? What's he done since
then? And what business savvy has Microsoft shown, other than to take
advantage of good opportunities? Microsoft succeeded despite themselves.
As far as not being all that bright, he used to claim Win3.1 was a
great advance (anyone with half a brain would have been embarrassed),
he lets the technical people do idiotic things with the company's
products (maybe he's a hands off guy, but I suspect he really thinks
Microsoft has cool well-designed software), he kept the PC computer
world in the dark ages for most of its life by promoting backwards
standards and obsolete technology, he implied that the internet would
go nowhere despite the fact that it has been steadily growing for
decades (I suspect he has NIH syndrome, or historical blinders), and
so forth.
What has he done that's smart? And to qualify that, I mean Bill Gates
himself, and provide some hint that he was the person responsible
not just the guy that took credit.
>Unless of course you're one of the very few gifted enough in both
>technology and sales/marketing to straddle the fence ... like Gates.
Hmmph. I think he's incompetent in both areas. I've seen no proof to
the contrary. Microsoft's success means nothing, as it's not a one
man company, and it has succeeded despite tremendous blunders (there
are countless examples of smart people at the helm of failed
companies, and idiots at the helm of winning ones). "Marketting"?
Microsoft succeeded despite a total *lack* of marketting. Sure,
nowdays you see ads everywhere, but 5 years ago and earlier, they were
almost non existent, they survived by inertia alone.
--
Darin Johnson
da...@connectnet.com
Darin Johnson
>:>Now do not tell me that MS would
>:>exist if he never lived.
Why not, it's true! Why would it not exist without him? He was not
the founder, or the first president. He was not the mover and shaker
that made it go.
--
Darin Johnson
da...@connectnet.com
Joe Ragosta
In article <crazyone-031...@async27.city-net.com>,
craz...@city-net.com (CrazyOne - Greg Pacek) wrote:
> In article <5829t3$3...@mack.rt66.com>, slo...@mack.rt66.com (John
> Millington) wrote:
>
> > Well, I didn't see the show, but did he actually admit to using Win95
> > himself? I assume BG has a "personal" machine of his own (or a LAN of
> > them) in his bomb shelter -- What OS does it run?
> >
> > I think the answer to that question would reveal something important about
> > BG. Either he's running non-Windoze, and the whole purpose of MS is to
> > fuck the world in some kind of Gail Wynand kind of way. Or he's running
> > Windoze95, believes what he says, is dull-witted, and incredibly lucky.
>
> Great reference! I loved that Wynand remark, having just reread The
> Fountainhead recently. :-)
>
> Anyway, my guess to the OS at the Gates compound would be NT 4.0, rather
> than 95. But that's only a guess.
Actually, he _does_ use a Mac, according to press reports. I'm sure he uses
Win95 and WinNT, as well.
I would be very surprised if there were fewer than 10 computers in his
house ranging up to a quad PPro. That part's only a guess.
--
Regards,
Joe Ragosta
Gregory Loren Hansen
In article <32A547...@pacbell.net>,
Ray Untalasco <RUnt...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>As far as the idea of MS making money from charity, I call it smart
>Business. Afterall MS is not a non-profit organization. It amazes me
>how you can get so moral when it comes to tax issues. Is there anybody
>out there that loves to pay taxes?? I hate taxes. If MS can find a way
>to save more money on taxes legally, more power to them. That's not
>being SLIME that's being SMART.
I'll be impressed with Gates' munificence when he actually loses some
money on it. Charity is easy when it doesn't cost you anything. It's
even easier when you profit.
Gregory Loren Hansen
In article <32a5480d...@news.reith.bbc.co.uk>,
Richard Turner <ri...@paradigm.uk.com> wrote:
>>People with
>>eloquence become managers and salesmen, something a true hacker
>>would never aspire to be.
>
>Unless of course you're one of the very few gifted enough in both
>technology and sales/marketing to straddle the fence ... like Gates.
Gates is one smart cookie, I'll grant you that. But I have yet to see any
evidence that he is in any way gifted as a hacker or technologist.
He obviously had (don't know if he still does) some ability to port QD-DOS
and BASIC to IBM hardware. But as far as payed professionals go, that's
pretty mediocre. He's certainly no Woz.
Anton Rang
In article <584uv1$j...@qnx.com>, do...@qnx.com (Doug Santry) wrote:
> Why do you think BG "understands" technology? He didn't even write DOS,
> his first big-time product. He has never authored a piece of software that
> did well.
Well, Paul and Bill did a good job with AppleSoft BASIC, I thought. I'm
not sure that the Traf-O-Data software was horrid, either. And he may
well have been involved in other projects where he actually designed or
programmed stuff. I don't know him, I haven't worked with him, and you
probably haven't either.
Don't throw stones when you don't know for sure....
-- Anton
Doug Santry
>>bright.
>
>You obviously haven't researched his past at all. This guy is one
>smart cookie - both technically, and by any measure of business savvy.
Nah, just lucky. Two of the biggest trends, the Internet and C++ beating
out C were completly missed by MS for years! Once they were established,
MS came out with products and people flocked to them. Nothing to do savvy
and everything to do with brand name recognition.
>Unless of course you're one of the very few gifted enough in both
>technology and sales/marketing to straddle the fence ... like Gates.
Why do you think BG "understands" technology? He didn't even write DOS,
his first big-time product. He has never authored a piece of software that
did well. He is just lucky that mommy knew the IBM board of directors and
the owner of CP/M couldn't be bothered to land his plane to talk to IBM.
Bill Gates was in the right place at the right time and his mommy got him
on the inside track. He has not done a *single* brilliant thing.
DJS
D.M.
Jay Schamus wrote:
>
> I just said that Bill Gates probably didn't know about this particular case.
> I saw on CNN monday morning that M$ is the top corporate giver in the country
> ($73 Million), "mostly software" (CNN's words). But let's look at how at
> least one part of this vaunted charity works. M$ will 'give' Win95 licenses
> to schools, charging $18 dollars for 5 licenses with the money going to cover
> administrative and media costs. Very nice, but this doesn't cost M$ anything
> since the schools couldn't afford to buy the software anyway. On top of this,
> M$ gets to write of $977 (5 x $199 - $18) from their profits. With a
> corporate tax rate of (I think) 37%, M$ makes a cool $361.49 off the deal.
> Leave it Bill Gates and M$ to turn a profit off of 'charity'!! On top of
> this, it boosts sales of Win95 since paranoid parents will fear that their
> precious chilluns' will fall behind if they don't run out and buy Win95. Even
> in the case of the Hospice, M$ made a profit since it cost them nothing to
> grant the licenses, and they got to write off the full retail price of the
> software. Neat, huh?!? Contrast this with the way Apple gives away, or
> sharply discounts, HARDWARE and software to schools. Although, Apple has
> other motives besides charity in doing this, at least they're probably not
> making a profit directly from their charitible contributions. Like I said,
> Bill Gates is slime.
Thanks for not sending me nasty hateEmail, seems as if some of the other
dumb shits(not you) who cannot seem to tell the difference between a
"Post Reply" button and a "reply" button, but obviously feel they have
the intelligence to criticize other's lives; great ignorance knows not
its lack of knowledge, perceiving it instead as a sign of superiority.
But to respond to you, 30 years or so ago IBM was criticized for the
same action giving hardware to schools. Seems that the federal dummies
thought this was unfair business activities, because the students came
out only knowing how to code for their machines.
No matter what you do in this life there is always someone who thinks
they know better how you should act, even though they do not know all
the antecedents, that have lead up to your actions. But then what else
is new, not this, mankind has been behaving in this way since the
beginning of time, and is a good example why no matter how far we
advance out technology, intellectually and emotionally we seem to be
stuck in time with no movement forward.
Why is it that man, has an innate desire to direct everyone else’s life,
yet cannot seem to get their own in order.
Ottavio G. Rizzo
Ray Untalasco <RUnt...@pacbell.net> writes:
> As far as the idea of MS making money from charity, I call it smart
> Business. Afterall MS is not a non-profit organization. It amazes me
> how you can get so moral when it comes to tax issues. Is there anybody
> out there that loves to pay taxes?? I hate taxes. If MS can find a way
> to save more money on taxes legally, more power to them. That's not
> being SLIME that's being SMART.
Do you have M$ shares? If not, you shouldn't be that happy: who do
you think is going to pay those taxes BG is not paying? :-(
Ciao,
--
Ottavio G. Rizzo diceno `e nuje ca nun c'e' maje
Dep. of Maths, box 1917 piaciuto `e fatica' \\ pecche' `o
Brown University, Providence RI USA tiempo e' vita e vulimmo campa'
Phone +401 863 7957 Fax: +401 863 9013 Almamegretta
ot...@math.brown.edu
Vikas Agnihotri
On 4 Dec 1996 01:50:40 GMT, Darin Johnson <da...@connectnet1.connectnet.com> wrote:
[<-->] >>The guy is a complete MORON! Even in his addresses
[<-->] >>at Comdex, he sure look like he momorized each word he said! I mean, the
[<-->] >>guy doesn't have any elocuency, no sense on fashion or humor, and a
[<-->] >>terrible teste for operating systems, I mean GUIs (Win95)!!!
[<-->]
I am confused here. So what are you saying? Is BG a techie hacker or
is he a businessman? Darin seems to suggest that the 2 are mutually
exclusive but he also admits that BG is both. Perfonally,
I agree with Darin about the mutually exclusive part but you
have to realize that there are exceptions to the rule and BG
is one of them.
[<-->]
[<-->] I don't want to defend Bill, and I personally think he's not all that
[<-->] bright. But the above reasons you give for him being a moron are way
[<-->] off track. A huge number of engineers have 2 or 3 of those traits,
[<-->] and some went into technical fields precisely because they had no
[<-->] people skills. In fact, it's almost stereotypical that engineers
[<-->] have no fashion sense, how could you toss that in? People with
[<-->] eloquence become managers and salesmen, something a true hacker
[<-->] would never aspire to be.
[<-->]
D.M.
Gregory Loren Hansen wrote:
>
> In article <32A547...@pacbell.net>,
> Ray Untalasco <RUnt...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> >Business. Afterall MS is not a non-profit organization. It amazes me
> >how you can get so moral when it comes to tax issues. Is there anybody
> >out there that loves to pay taxes?? I hate taxes. If MS can find a way
> >to save more money on taxes legally, more power to them. That's not
> >being SLIME that's being SMART.
>
> money on it. Charity is easy when it doesn't cost you anything. It's
> even easier when you profit.
>
> Gouda's good but cheddar's better.
Again how do you know he hasn't. You do not. Just another example of
narrow minded humans paying attention to other's lives because they
cannot stand the stress of looking at the mess they have made of their
own.
Vikas Agnihotri
On 4 Dec 1996 18:44:57 GMT, Darin Johnson <da...@connectnet1.connectnet.com> wrote:
[<-->] >>I don't want to defend Bill, and I personally think he's not all that
[<-->] >>bright.
[<-->] >You obviously haven't researched his past at all. This guy is one
[<-->] >smart cookie - both technically, and by any measure of business savvy.
[<-->] >Try doing some research into his past!
[<-->]
[<-->] Such as him helping write a basic interpreter? What's he done since
[<-->] then? And what business savvy has Microsoft shown, other than to take
[<-->] advantage of good opportunities? Microsoft succeeded despite themselves.
Wouldnt you call 'taking advantage of opportunies' 'good business savvy'?
Dont get me wrong, I am no fan of MS and/or BG. I think their products
suck. But I cannot help but admire MS for the way they have taken
the computing world by storm. That it is for the worse is, of course,
another story altogether. I find it ridiculous that when you think
of a PC, you are forced to use MS-DOS/Win/Win95, etc, all MS products.
because a monopoly stiffles free spirit, rapid development in different
directions, etc.
I mean, have there ever been efforts like GNU, X, Linux, etc in
the non-Unix areas? I never cease to be amazed by these efforts. They
are responsible for a lot of excellent software out there.
[<-->] As far as not being all that bright, he used to claim Win3.1 was a
[<-->] great advance (anyone with half a brain would have been embarrassed),
[<-->] he lets the technical people do idiotic things with the company's
[<-->] products (maybe he's a hands off guy, but I suspect he really thinks
[<-->] Microsoft has cool well-designed software), he kept the PC computer
[<-->] world in the dark ages for most of its life by promoting backwards
[<-->] standards and obsolete technology, he implied that the internet would
[<-->] go nowhere despite the fact that it has been steadily growing for
[<-->] decades (I suspect he has NIH syndrome, or historical blinders), and
[<-->] so forth.
Yes, but look at the way they have jumped on to the band wagon and are
near the top of the pack now. __THIS__ is what I mean when I say
that you have to admire MS. Even though they started late in the Internet
game, they are one of the leaders now. They are beating Netscape
at their own game inspite of the huge head-start Netscape had.
[<-->]
[<-->] >Unless of course you're one of the very few gifted enough in both
[<-->] >technology and sales/marketing to straddle the fence ... like Gates.
[<-->]
[<-->] Hmmph. I think he's incompetent in both areas. I've seen no proof to
[<-->] the contrary. Microsoft's success means nothing, as it's not a one
[<-->] man company, and it has succeeded despite tremendous blunders (there
[<-->] are countless examples of smart people at the helm of failed
[<-->] companies, and idiots at the helm of winning ones). "Marketting"?
[<-->] Microsoft succeeded despite a total *lack* of marketting. Sure,
[<-->] nowdays you see ads everywhere, but 5 years ago and earlier, they were
[<-->] almost non existent, they survived by inertia alone.
Intertia? Hmmm..Now, if I recall my physics correctly, that means
that they are sustaining already gathered momentum. Where did that
come from ?
Going through some of the other threads on the *.advocacy newsgroups,
it looks like MS's ActiveX is close to beating Java at its own game.
I mean, how does MS do it? How can you not acknowledge that there
is definitely something 'superior', in whatever sense you want to take
it, about Microsoft?
--Vikas
Old-Fashioned Staffordshire Plate...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.50AXP
In article <32A547...@pacbell.net>, RUnt...@pacbell.net crossposts...
>Apple is giving away their computers to schools the same way Microsoft
>is giving away Internet Explorer. I believe some a writer in PC
>Magazine called it "DUMPING". Only difference is Apple is doing it in a
>more devine way (CHARITY).
In case you didn't know, my Newsgroups: line non-trimming friend, DUMPING is a
specific term in anti-trust legislation and is ILLEGAL. bill gates is illegally
DUMPING bill gates excretor to 'squeeze netscape until they run out of cash'
(someone posted here that this is an actual quote from a senior bill gates
Inc. official). bill gates doesn't give away SHIT/
>As far as the idea of MS making money from charity, I call it smart
>Business. Afterall MS is not a non-profit organization. It amazes me
>how you can get so moral when it comes to tax issues. Is there anybody
>out there that loves to pay taxes?? I hate taxes. If MS can find a way
>to save more money on taxes legally, more power to them. That's not
>being SLIME that's being SMART.
What bill gates is doing right now to netscape is utter, contemptible slime.
What bill gates did with clone vendor preloads is utter, comtemptible slime
(like someone else posted a few days, it was totally illegal, but took the DOJ
more than a decade to enforce it, while bill gates created his monopoly in the
meantime). How long after netscape goes out of business will it take the DOJ to
take enforcement action against the totally ILLEGAL dumping of bgIE???? THIS is
the company all you bill gates apologists keep. You must all be very proud.
Tom O'Toole - ecf_...@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu - tom.o...@jhu.edu
JHUVMS system programmer - http://jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu/~ecf_stbo/
This message has been brought to you by bill gates, inventor of the internet
'The Internet'... is not a valid Win32 application, bill. Boycott bg shoveware!
Loren Petrich
In article <2DEC1996...@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu>,
Old-Fashioned Staffordshire Plate... <ecf_...@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> wrote:
>In article <petrichE...@netcom.com>, pet...@netcom.com (Loren Petrich) writes...
>> When he was 20, he was still at Harvard, where he had studied
>>corporate law for awhile.
>Why am I not surprised.
According to some of his biographers; he had been fascinated by
this subject, and if he had not gotten a computer-software business
going, he may have decided to become a lawyer instead.
This served him well when he began to deal with IBM; when the IBM
guys pulled out a non-disclosure agreement for him to sign, he responded
with his own. In those days, IBM NDA's were rather one-sided in favor of
IBM; in this example, the IBM guys could use whatever information they had
learned from BG, while BG could not use *anything* he had learned from
IBM. Likewise, in the early 1980's, Steve Ballmer of M$ referred to his
relationship with IBM as "BOGU" -- Bend Over and Grease Up, presumably to
be sodomized :-)
Also in the early 1980's, IBM was the bloatware king; when
working on some code for OS/2, the M$ guys would sometimes write code for
doing something that was 100 times smaller than IBM's code.
The trouble now is that the shoe is now on the other foot, and M$
is now both arrogant and the current bloatware king. There is supposedly
some limitation on the use of the Microsoft Foundation Classes which
states that they cannot be used to produce any software that competes
with M$; what's the full story on that??? The reason why that's
anti-competitive is that using the MFC saves a heck of a lot of
programming time.
--
Loren Petrich Happiness is a fast Macintosh
pet...@netcom.com And a fast train
My home page: http://www.webcom.com/petrich/home.html
Mirrored at: ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/pe/petrich/home.html
Ketil Z Malde
da...@connectnet1.connectnet.com (Darin Johnson) writes:
> What has he done that's smart? And to qualify that, I mean Bill Gates
> himself, and provide some hint that he was the person responsible not
> just the guy that took credit.
Releasing the ActiveX ``standard'' to an open consortium, just before
MS's licencing of certain IBM patents expire?
~kzm
Richard Turner
>>:>Now do not tell me that MS would
>>:>exist if he never lived.
>
>Why not, it's true! Why would it not exist without him? He was not
>the founder, or the first president. He was not the mover and shaker
>that made it go.
Huh??? Where exactly did you hear that then? So he wasn't one of the
founders of Microsoft? That must have been Mr. Jon Wilderbeast Jr III,
Chicken Farmer, Ohio.
Please.
------- Richard Turner : ri...@paradigm.uk.com ------
-- Paradigm Industries Ltd. : www.paradigm.uk.com --
Richard Turner
OS2 Merlin "Where I Want To Go Tomorrow" - Brought to you by the
company that brought you DOS, Windoze, Fat, 1980's technology - but
dumped it because it sucks!!
Doug Santry
In article <rang-04129...@margaret.trillium.adaptec.com>,
Anton Rang <ra...@trillium.adaptec.com> wrote:
>In article <584uv1$j...@qnx.com>, do...@qnx.com (Doug Santry) wrote:
>> his first big-time product. He has never authored a piece of software that
>> did well.
>
You'll note, I said software "that did well".
>not sure that the Traf-O-Data software was horrid, either. And he may
You'll note, I said software "that did well".
>well have been involved in other projects where he actually designed or
>programmed stuff. I don't know him, I haven't worked with him, and you
>probably haven't either.
No I haven't worked with him(and if I had I wouldn't admit it). I have never
read a book that claimed he did anything other than rant at his R&D teams.
> Don't throw stones when you don't know for sure....
Whatever...
DJS
<>
Well isn't that a pretty picture...... The only reason Apple donates
computers
to schools is so the youth will learn how to use Apple Macs instead of PCs.
Not
to mention it is much easier to donate computers and software when you
produce
both products, Microsoft doesen't make computers so they can't easily
donate
them. They do, however, donate software and support time to many schools
around
the country, not to mention public libraries as well.
>
> True indeed! Here in New Zealand we have Apples for kids, which is to
> give young school kids Apple computers and 'net connections etc...NEVER
> have I seen M$ involved in such a donation. I'm no Mac advocate but
> Apple certainly are more charitable and helpful with those who need
> access to the tools of tommorrow ie...our young...
>
> Chris W.
> /|\ ATARI Falcon030 16Mb/340Mb/DSP/FPU
>
>
Darin Johnson
>>Why not, it's true! Why would it not exist without him? He was not
>>the founder, or the first president. He was not the mover and shaker
>>that made it go.
>
>Huh??? Where exactly did you hear that then? So he wasn't one of the
>founders of Microsoft? That must have been Mr. Jon Wilderbeast Jr III,
>Chicken Farmer, Ohio.
Huh, I didn't say he wasn't one of the founders, he just wasn't the
sole founder. Retro history makes it sound like Bill Gates was the
sum total of Microsoft. He wasn't that, and I'll admit he wasn't just
the kid that hung out that they let help either. He was somewhere in
between. He wasn't number one at the start, and he wasn't number one when
DOS was bought and licensed to IBM.
Since he was not number one, how would Microsoft have failed if he
wasn't there? What ideas or decisions were his and his alone that
other Microsoft people wouldn't have made? The success of Microsoft
happened despite its own blunders.
Again the question, why would Microsoft have not existed without Bill Gates?
--
Darin Johnson
da...@connectnet.com
Darin Johnson
>Well isn't that a pretty picture...... The only reason Apple donates
>computers
>to schools is so the youth will learn how to use Apple Macs instead of PCs.
Apple did this back before clones were dominant too. They donated
Apple II's for a long time. It may have turned into marketting later,
but at the beginning it was charity. (Jobs and Woz had more money than
they knew what to do with, and they didn't hesitate giving it away;
they were the wunderkinds when Microsoft was still trying to move out
of the garage)
--
Darin Johnson
da...@connectnet.com
Scott Maxwell
In article <slrn5aasr5...@joshua.insight.att.com>,
vi...@insight.att.com wrote:
>I am confused here. So what are you saying? Is BG a techie hacker or
>is he a businessman?
>
I think he likes people to think he knows more than he actually does. I
read somewhere that although he can't write all of the sw that m$ produces
personally he likes his micro-serfs to think he can.
-Scott
--
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Scott Maxwell - sco...@nic.com
J ~
This is no joke. The following article is about a temple just down the
street from Microsoft. The City of Redmond is now harassing these
people. This is quite interesting since the city is always having to
put out extra police for Microsoft affairs that definitely are much
bigger than this. Microsoft has even managed to get the state to put a
new highway off ramp from 520. To me this is just a continuation of the
racism promoted by Microsoft. They run Redmond, the Redmond Police (as I
found out after filing a lawsuit against them) and even the building
inspectors. Microsoft is a culture of HATE. I was handicapped and the
harassment was so overwhelming that I'm now on Social Security. I
couldn't deal with them. I do know that the FBI is all over working
undercover here. Well, this is yet one more pointer boys.
Talk to Officer Johnson in Bellevue about Mike Robinson, one of Bill
Gates' stooges working with Bruce Butcher and Andy Evans. Some of the
more honest members of our community are just a bit perplexed over why
this man was able to skate on a drug bust that included a whole room of
cieling high pot plants. I know more about the VICE in our community
than most and I also know that there has to be people in Redmond and
Bellevue Police covering it. It's all about sex, drugs and rock and
roll. They sure don't want any religious people around.
---------------------------------------
Dec. 5, 1996
Eastside: Temple a sore point for some
Redmond neighbors upset over crowds, traffic
by Joe Nabbefeld
Seattle Times East bureau
REDMOND - House after plush suburban house passes by. Then at the
end of a
cul-de-sac, blending in about like a boat would, sits a large
Buddhist temple.
Here about 20 Buddhist monks and 100 temple members quietly seek
peace and
enlightenment through the teachings of the temple's grandmaster,
Lian Shen.
The 51-year-old grandmaster is also known as Master Lu and as the
Living Buddha Lian
Shen, because his followers consider him "one of the few living
human beings to have
achieved true enlightenment," as temple literature states.
His influence has grown so much that since the founding of this,
his first temple, here a dozen
years ago, he has established 20 more temples around the world, and
his True Buddha
School now claims 4 million disciples.
From that success comes a new impediment to peace in the Ling Shen
Ching Tze Temple's
neighborhood.
Twice a year the temple, at 17012 N.E. 40th Court, holds a weekend
celebration featuring
four lessons delivered by Master Lu.
In 1984, the temple's founders promised the city of Redmond these
would be quiet, private
affairs attracting no more than 100 people. So the city issued a
special-use permit to allow
construction of the temple in the residential neighborhood.
Attendance at the celebrations has grown steadily, however, to
between 1,500 and 3,000
people from around the world for each event, and city officials say
they clog the
neighborhood with illegally parked cars and idling buses.
Participants gather under a
blocklong tent to listen to Master Lu deliver his two- to
three-hour lessons from the temple's
porch via loudspeaker. They eat, socialize and meditate in between.
More than one neighbor describes the atmosphere on those February
and September
weekends as a circus.
For years neighbors and city officials tolerated the inconvenience
and parking problems.
When asked about it, police said they felt a need to be religiously
and culturally sensitive.
And the temple did what it could to minimize problems. It
distributes notices in advance to
neighbors, accompanied by candy, and delivers bouquets of yellow
roses to them afterward.
It invites them to Thanksgiving dinners and to enjoy the temple any
time. It organizes shuttle
buses from nearby parking lots, hires off-duty police officers to
manage traffic and provide
security during the events and keeps its grounds immaculate.
But some neighbors, led by James Baugh, have increasingly pushed
the city to clamp down by
citing parking violators and holding the temple to the original
permit's restriction of no more
than 100 attendees.
City lawyers last year ordered the temple to apply for a
modification to the 1984 permit or
possibly face an end to the events, setting the stage for a
potentially divisive clash.
This fall the temple filed its application, which proposes to
codify the ways it now conducts
the events.
The first hearing on that will be tonight: a 7:30 p.m. neighborhood
meeting in the Redmond
City Council chambers presided over by the city Planning
Department. In the weeks after the
meeting, the department will issue an opinion on the application,
and a final decision will come
from Public Works Director Carol Osborne and Planning Director
Roberta Lewandowski.
Residents or the temple could appeal the decision to the City
Council.
Baugh and some other neighbors among two dozen who have signed a
petition supporting him
say they plan to attend, as did the Revs. Lian Ning and Deng Xiao,
monks at the temple.
Baugh, an auto mechanic whose three-bedroom house sits a block from
the temple grounds,
said he considers it unconscionable for the city to have let the
situation escalate to this state.
One neighbor, Constance Albin, said she can tolerate the two
weekend celebrations as they
are, but she signed Baugh's petition after he told her he fears the
temple will plan more such
events if the permit is modified.
But Lian Ning, Deng Xiao and Clegg each said the application is
only for the two weekend
events.
Lian Ning said the events benefit the local economy, because
disciples spend money on
hotels, rental cars, meals and more during their visits. He also
thinks the underlying problem
could be unfounded fear of a culture different from that of most of
the neighborhood's
residents.
My own web is only going to get better. I'm going to be releasing the
names of people I know who are aparty to this stuff. Hopely the FBI will
put them all under watch. If you want a Hooker or drugs in Bellevue go
to the Red Lion. In Kirkland try Sharky's or DeVinci's. I worked as a
bartender and waitress in the University District in the early 70s at
Rick's Stake House. We had drugs all over the place and the police
looked the other way. You know that these cope are getting paid off or
their boss is and they know it. So what about Redmond and Bellevue?
http://www.nwlink.com/~rosarium/
There are all kinds of little tid bits hidden in my web.
Old-Fashioned Staffordshire Plate...
In article <329dbd84...@news.wa.net>, HellRazor crossposts by default
much in the same way he uses shoveware by default...
>That's MISTER Pond Scum to you. Bud........and how many buildings have
>YOU enowed lately....name or no...?
And your point was.... ?
My point is you crossposted by default without editing the newsgroups: line.
People buy monopolysoft shoveware that comes automatically with their pc
'to serve them better' by default too. Which brings us full circle back to
bill gates ill-gotten gains.
Old-Fashioned Staffordshire Plate...
In article <32a6a409...@news.reith.bbc.co.uk>, ri...@paradigm.uk.com (Richard Turner) writes...
>OS2 Merlin "Where I Want To Go Tomorrow" - Brought to you by the
>company that brought you DOS, Windoze, Fat, 1980's technology - but
>dumped it because it sucks!!
Actually it was another sleazy business move head fake by bill gates inc. But
thank you for agreeing about all that stuff being 1980's technology.
Old-Fashioned Staffordshire Plate...
In article <32A5F7...@foothill.net>, "D.M." <dw...@foothill.net> writes...
>Again how do you know he hasn't. You do not. Just another example of
>narrow minded humans paying attention to other's lives because they
>cannot stand the stress of looking at the mess they have made of their
>own.
Indeed. Fortunately we have no worries you will stop paying attention to
us by continuing to inform us of this...
Joshua T. McKee
On 5 Dec 1996 18:23:37 GMT, da...@connectnet1.connectnet.com (Darin
Johnson) wrote:
>>>Why not, it's true! Why would it not exist without him? He was not
>>>the founder, or the first president. He was not the mover and shaker
>>>that made it go.
>>
>>Huh??? Where exactly did you hear that then? So he wasn't one of the
>>founders of Microsoft? That must have been Mr. Jon Wilderbeast Jr III,
>>Chicken Farmer, Ohio.
>
>Huh, I didn't say he wasn't one of the founders, he just wasn't the
>sole founder. Retro history makes it sound like Bill Gates was the
>sum total of Microsoft. He wasn't that, and I'll admit he wasn't just
>the kid that hung out that they let help either. He was somewhere in
>between. He wasn't number one at the start, and he wasn't number one when
>DOS was bought and licensed to IBM.
My understanding of MS is that Bill Gates was one of the co-founders,
along with Paul Allen. Try reading the book "The Road Ahead", maybe
that will clear up your misconceptions.
>Since he was not number one, how would Microsoft have failed if he
>wasn't there? What ideas or decisions were his and his alone that
>other Microsoft people wouldn't have made? The success of Microsoft
>happened despite its own blunders.
He IS #1. He is the CEO of MS. Maybe you can figure it out now.
>Again the question, why would Microsoft have not existed without Bill Gates?
Josh
Joshua T. McKee
On 5 Dec 1996 15:57:07 GMT, <<Unknown>> wrote:
>Well isn't that a pretty picture...... The only reason Apple donates
>computers
>to schools is so the youth will learn how to use Apple Macs instead of PCs.
> Not
>to mention it is much easier to donate computers and software when you
>produce
>both products, Microsoft doesen't make computers so they can't easily
>donate
>them. They do, however, donate software and support time to many schools
>around
>the country, not to mention public libraries as well.
Apple donates Hardware & Software. Hardware has a REAL cost to
it...it costs money to produce every computer Apple makes.
Software, OTH, has a development cost, but once spent, has minimal
cost to it. After writing "Hello World", I could distribute 100,000
copies of it for the price of the disk, label and manual (for Hello
World?). Minimal cost, $18.00 admin should cover it. Apple, OTH
cannot ship computers at nearly the cost of software...its much more
expensive.
Geez, I cannot believe you can't figure this out!
Josh
Craig Verburgh
in the case of the Hospice, M$ made a profit since it cost them nothing to
grant the licenses, and they got to write off the full retail price of the
software. Neat, huh?!? Contrast this with the way Apple gives away, or
sharply discounts, HARDWARE and software to schools. Although, Apple has
other motives besides charity in doing this, at least they're probably not
making a profit directly from their charitible contributions. Like I said,
Bill Gates is slime.
So, what are you saying, that Bill would be a better person if he sold the
products at full retail prices? What the hell are they supposed to do?
How could a school move to Win 95 without you thinking that Bill Gates was
personally trying to make money off of them? Of course the school's don't
have much choice but to go to Win 95, and that's because that's what is
recent and that's what these kids will be using on any new PC, or in the
work place. It would be stupid for them to learn on anything else (except
a Mac, for specific purposes). And of course Microsoft wants to make money
any way the can (legally), that's what they're in business for, that's what
any business is for. Wouldn't you do the same, if you could right off an
expense that costs you nest to nothing
? Of course you would. Any truly unfair business practices that Bill trys
to do will not succeed (as you can tell by CompuServe and AOL being
packaged with all new versions of Win 95). Bill is not slime, he's just a
very smart business man.
Craig Verburgh...
ph...@cyberhighway.net
On Thu, 28 Nov 1996 10:07:58 +0100, Gary Sanders <gsan...@nrg.com.au>
wrote:
>Jay Schamus wrote:
>>
>> Redmond Rose~ wrote:
>> >
>>
>> > What is really interesting is that we have all these worthy computer
>> > charities locally and Microsoft with all their money, doesn't give to any
>> > of them. Since most are intened to help the handicapped, racial minoties
>> > and poor there doesn't seem to be any return for Mr. GATES. He never
>> > cuts loose with a cent, even when he really owes a debt if his attorneys
>> > can get him out of it.
>> >
>>
>> Gates won't cough up a cent to charity unless he gets to put his name on
>> the building, witness the computer center at Stanford U. (which is
>> already one of the best endowed colleges out there). It's another
>> reason I despise Bill Gates.
>>
>> Jay Schamus
>> jay...@rcinet.com
>Hey I agree!!!!!! :-)
>
>
>Bill Gates is ........????(You decide)...
Sounds like jealousy to me.
Darin Johnson
>My understanding of MS is that Bill Gates was one of the co-founders,
>along with Paul Allen. Try reading the book "The Road Ahead", maybe
>that will clear up your misconceptions.
That's what I said!! Co-founder means with a group of other people.
Ie, not a solitary person. And it wasn't just Paul Allen and Bill Gates.
Very employee at Microsoft at start with a co-founder! (all 14 or so).
"The Road Ahead", sure it's not a self-serving book?
>>Since he was not number one, how would Microsoft have failed if he
>>wasn't there? What ideas or decisions were his and his alone that
>>other Microsoft people wouldn't have made? The success of Microsoft
>>happened despite its own blunders.
>
>
>He IS #1. He is the CEO of MS. Maybe you can figure it out now.
He was not always number 1. Get it now??? Just because he's number
one now, does not mean he made all the crucial decisions for Microsoft
in the past. The original contention was that Microsoft would not
have existed without Bill Gates. And that's absurd (unless of course,
it was Bill that came up with the name, in which case you'd have the
same corporation called something else now). If Bill had said "no, I
don't think we should start our own company", do you think the other
people would have said "duh, ok"? Do you think Microsoft would have
stayed a no-name company without Bill, that it was Bill and Bill alone
that sold to IBM (was he even responsible for decisions that far
back)?
Microsoft would have existed without Bill.
>>Again the question, why would Microsoft have not existed without Bill Gates?
You didn't answer this. All you did was say how Bill is number one
today and how he was one of the founders.
--
Darin Johnson
da...@connectnet.com
Bill Near
On 5 Dec 1996 18:23:37 GMT, Darin Johnson articulated:
<> >>Why not, it's true! Why would it not exist without him? He was not
<> >>the founder, or the first president. He was not the mover and shaker
<> >>that made it go.
<> >
<> >Huh??? Where exactly did you hear that then? So he wasn't one of the
<> >founders of Microsoft? That must have been Mr. Jon Wilderbeast Jr III,
<> >Chicken Farmer, Ohio.
<>
<> Huh, I didn't say he wasn't one of the founders, he just wasn't the
<> sole founder. Retro history makes it sound like Bill Gates was the
<> sum total of Microsoft. He wasn't that, and I'll admit he wasn't just
<> the kid that hung out that they let help either. He was somewhere in
<> between. He wasn't number one at the start, and he wasn't number one when
<> DOS was bought and licensed to IBM.
What? You are too lost.
<> Since he was not number one, how would Microsoft have failed if he
<> wasn't there? What ideas or decisions were his and his alone that
<> other Microsoft people wouldn't have made? The success of Microsoft
<> happened despite its own blunders.
Without Gates and his partner (can't remember his
name), there would NOT even be a Mirco$oft today.
<> Again the question, why would Microsoft have not existed without Bill Gates?
Duh, are you really this dense?
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Joel Garry
In article <5829t3$3...@mack.rt66.com> slo...@mack.rt66.com (John Millington) writes:
>In <57macb$f...@isis.fiu.edu>, apen...@fiu.edu writes:
>>Well, people, after watching Bill Gates on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno,
>>I still don't get how that guy is the richest man in the world (or
>>currently the second). The guy is a complete MORON! Even in his addresses
>>at Comdex, he sure look like he momorized each word he said! I mean, the
>
>himself? I assume BG has a "personal" machine of his own (or a LAN of
No, he was Jay's worst nightmare, a famous person who does a lousy interview.
bg actually said very little, Jay tried to draw him out asking about the
house and so forth, complete bomb.
>them) in his bomb shelter -- What OS does it run?
The next one.
>
>I think the answer to that question would reveal something important about
>BG. Either he's running non-Windoze, and the whole purpose of MS is to
>fuck the world in some kind of Gail Wynand kind of way. Or he's running
>Windoze95, believes what he says, is dull-witted, and incredibly lucky.
>
>Which is it?
'95 is just for the Great Unwashed Masses, I'm sure.
>
> Yog-Sothoth Neblod Zin,
> John Millington
--
Joel Garry joe...@rossinc.com Compuserve 70661,1534
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panic: ifree: freeing free inodes... O
Eugene O'Neil
In article <slrn5abhl9...@connectnet1.connectnet.com>, da...@connectnet1.connectnet.com (Darin Johnson) wrote:
>>>I don't want to defend Bill, and I personally think he's not all that
>>You obviously haven't researched his past at all. This guy is one
>
I agree that he is not a world-class programmer. As far as I can tell, he just
has enough technical savvy to recognise the business opportunities. But do
not underestimate how difficult and elusive that can be: They seem obvious to us
only in hindsight.
Imagine what would have happened if Xerox had paid attention to their own Palo
Alto Research Center, when they were inventing things like ethernet LANs, GUI
interfaces, object-oriented operating systems, and WYSIWYG laser printing in an
age when the rest of the world only had IBM PCs running DOS, and Apple ][
computers. They could have been everything Microsoft and Intel is today, all
rolled into one, but instead they handed it to Apple on a silver platter.
Imagine if Commodore hadn't thrown the Amiga down the toilet. Imagine if IBM had
actually lifted a finger to push OS/2.
The world is full of people who missed golden opportunities. Bill Gates hasn't
missed a critical one yet. Like Java and the Internet: he could have stuck his
head in the sand, thinking that he could force the world to use Blackbird and
the Microsoft Network. If he had, he would have ended up as roadkill on the
information superhighway. It happens all the time to all sorts of companies, big
and small. But now he's promoting Java and the Internet as if it had been his
idea all along. Some people call that shiftlessness: I think of it as
adaptability. If he is nobody special, then the rest of the industry must be run
by utter morons.
-Eugene
Darin Johnson
>Without Gates and his partner (can't remember his
>name), there would NOT even be a Mirco$oft today.
There were more than two partners. And note that ou put the word
"and" in there. The original post said that if *only* Bill Gates
hadn't been there, Microsoft would not exist. Why, would Paul Allen
and the other proto-microsoft people have twiddled their thumbs? No,
they would likely have continued on, and found someone else to do the
duties Bill had, or someone else would have made the decisions that
Bill made.
Much of Microsoft's successes came from taking advantage of
opportunities, opportunities that would have existed with or without
Bill. IBM wanted an OS, someone would have provided it, likely
Microsoft who had one (was it Bill who bought QDOS, or was it another
employee?). Microsoft may not have looked the same way it does today
without Bill, it may have had a different name and so forth, but there
probably would be a company just like it, maybe a company with
different founders even, but there would be a PC monopoly company out
there.
To bring this thread to a final close, I will now utilize the Nazi
gambit. That is, mention the Nazis in a post :-) I think also, that
if Hitler were never born, something very like the Nazis would have
come to power in any case. Hitler was not the sole idea man and sole
member, there were others also interested in the same ideas at the
same time. Mein Kampf wouldn't have been written (but Nazis existed
before Hitler was jailed), but someone else would likely have come up
with a similar manifesto. The anti-Semitism would still have been
there, as it was a popular feeling across Europe. However, later
history would have been very different, because Hitler had very firm
control over the Nazis once they started growing and it was his
personality that started the wars and kept them going.
(you should read more science fiction, some have themes of entire
historys changing because of a butterfly, but others have themes of
the time line fixing itself despite major changes)
It's all speculation, but my original point, that Bill Gates was not
the sum-toto of Microsoft, and even Bill+Paul were not the whole
picture either. Bill wrote one product that somewhat succeeded, and
Paul ran the company for most of its formative years; yet there were
other executives and employees that had decision making capabilities.
--
Darin Johnson
da...@connectnet.com
Joe Ragosta
In article <01bbe2c5$61472db0$770c399d@jandersnt2>, <<Unknown>> wrote:
> Well isn't that a pretty picture...... The only reason Apple donates
> computers
> to schools is so the youth will learn how to use Apple Macs instead of PCs.
> Not
> to mention it is much easier to donate computers and software when you
> produce
> both products, Microsoft doesen't make computers so they can't easily
> donate
> them. They do, however, donate software and support time to many schools
> around
> the country, not to mention public libraries as well.
What Microsoft mostly makes is money. I don't see them donating much of
that. Instead, they donate software and claim that they're donating 100
times what it costs them to copy.
--
Regards,
Joe Ragosta
Joshua T. McKee
On 6 Dec 1996 19:41:13 GMT, wn...@epix.net (Bill Near) wrote:
><> Again the question, why would Microsoft have not existed without Bill Gates?
>
>Duh, are you really this dense?
Bill - You might as well give up, I did. Darin appears to be the only
one who thinks that Bill Gates did not have an instrumental role in
the creation of MS.
Josh
Joshua T. McKee
On 6 Dec 1996 21:24:02 GMT, da...@connectnet1.connectnet.com (Darin
Johnson) wrote:
>>Without Gates and his partner (can't remember his
>>name), there would NOT even be a Mirco$oft today.
>
>There were more than two partners. And note that ou put the word
Ok Darin, you've made the claim that there were some 14 or so
co-founders to Microsoft...so who are they? I know of two: Paul Allen
& BILL GATES.
Josh
Mercury Park Dimples
In article <32A781...@nwlink.com>, rosa...@nwlink.com says...
>
>This is no joke.
Yeah, it is :-D
>.... Microsoft has even managed to get the state to put a
>new highway off ramp from 520. To me this is just a continuation of the
>racism promoted by Microsoft.
Racism? Racism? Are they racing down the new off ramps?!?
HAR-Ha-haaahahahahahaha ROTFLMAO
>I was handicapped and the
Where were you injured. Do you have a doctors report? How
long after you were fired as a temp worker did you get this
doctor report?
>harassment was so overwhelming that I'm now on Social Security.
Hmmm, I didn't know the SS dept had a harassment program :^D
>I couldn't deal with them.
No, you couldn't.
>I do know that the FBI is all over working undercover here.
DAMMIT JOAN -- that was a COVERT operation!
>Well, this is yet one more pointer boys.
That's rather sexist, don't you think? (no, you don't think,
do you...)
>I know more about the VICE in our community than most
What makes you so qualified?
>It's all about sex, drugs and rock and roll. They sure don't
>want any religious people around.
What in the hell does that mean?
Mercury Park Dimples
In article <329D56...@nrg.com.au>, gsan...@nrg.com.au says...
>
>Jay Schamus wrote:
>>
>> [...] It's another
>> reason I despise Bill Gates.
>>
>
>Bill Gates is ........????(You decide)...
Cripes, what a lemming. He can't even decide or
define why he feels the way he does, he's just
jumping on the band wagon because mindless people
love to hate.
You people have a lot of time on your hands.
Mercury Park Dimples
>>> Gates won't cough up a cent to charity unless he gets to put his name
on
>>> the building, witness the computer center at Stanford U. (which is
>>> already one of the best endowed colleges out there). It's another
>>> reason I despise Bill Gates.
>>
>>I've always said that Bill Gates is pond scum.
>>
>>--
>> Robert S Iacullo
>> ea...@serv.net
I don't understand what's so evil about this. Can you explain?
Does the donation somehow become meaningless when some asks for
attribution?
Do realize how many decades it's been since this practice has
been commonplace? Why is it all of the sudden evil because Bill
gates does it? You folk are really reaching and could use
some more substantial things to occupy your mind with than this
bitter jealousy.
Bill Near
On Sat, 07 Dec 1996 00:51:49 GMT, Joshua T. McKee articulated:
I agree. He must be reading Apple propaganda. :-)
Bill Near
On Sat, 07 Dec 1996 00:53:14 GMT, Joshua T. McKee articulated:
Those are the two, period.
J ~
Bill Clinton sex joke:
In a recent press release Clinton finally admitted to having an affair
with Gennifer Flowers. But he claimed it didn't count because he didn't
come! : -)
Bill Gates sex joke:
In a recent press release, Bill Gates, responded to allegations that he
sexually coerced hundreds of women in his company and the computer
industry, claimed it was a lie. He claimed he couldn't possibly have
sexually harassed these women because he was Microsoft. Not only did he
not come, he couldn't even find it.
I hope you're reading this one Jay Leno! : -) I don't think Bill Gates
like your pornongraph and center fold jokes. Try this one. I know they
don't like when I, a women, make pointed sexual jokes about them. Funny
how men don't seem to think about women's feeling when they are making
rude comments, jokes or drop their pant infront of them, baring it all.
Right now I'm working on a new cover to Bill Gates' book On The Road.
This time it has a <P>nude Bill<P> standing on the road paying money to a
naked women. Look for it soon on my web. Anyone into starting a
competition? We could do the Billy Boys pronography web pages--featuring
the Bills. I think I may dedicate my artistic computer skills to some
funny pornography using big powerful men doing all kinds of interesting
sexual things. This is sounding sooo very good. I've even got picture of
most of the upper level executives at Microsoft. On your knees boy, the
boss is wanting to party some.
Check out my new web page: http://www.nwlink.com/~rosarium/broken2.html
I call this my ture motivation. Hopefully Mr. Gates will appriciate the
time and expense I've put into this one. : - ) NOT!!!!
Eric D. Fether
In message <582rbt$g...@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu> - veak...@Glue.umd.edu (David
T. Wang)4 Dec 1996 03:32:13 GMT writes:
:>
:>Bruce Ediger (bed...@csn.net) wrote:
:>: slo...@mack.rt66.com (John Millington) wrote:
:>: >Well, I didn't see the show, but did he actually admit to using Win95
:>: >himself? I assume BG has a "personal" machine of his own (or a LAN of
Not sure about his personal system...but MicroSoft's payroll is all done on
OS/2...NO JOKE! :)
Eric D. Fether | Broken Windows,
-OS/2, DOS, Win3.1/95, Linux | Crooked Gates!
efe...@ibm.net | Format that HD,
7406...@compuserve.com | Merlin Awaits!
Jonathan H. Pickard
In article <slrn5abpj7...@joshua.insight.att.com>,
Vikas Agnihotri <vi...@insight.att.com> wrote:
> I mean, have there ever been efforts like GNU, X, Linux, etc in
>the non-Unix areas? I never cease to be amazed by these efforts. They
>are responsible for a lot of excellent software out there.
Well, independent developers are working on FreeDOS (though that may be a
doomed project, what with Caldera OpenDOS just around the corner...)
>Intertia? Hmmm..Now, if I recall my physics correctly, that means
>that they are sustaining already gathered momentum. Where did that
>come from ?
I believe Darin (oops, quote snipped) was talking about the flip side of
inertia, i.e. "An object at rest tends to stay at rest".
>Going through some of the other threads on the *.advocacy newsgroups,
>it looks like MS's ActiveX is close to beating Java at its own game.
Well, that of course all depends on how you define Java's "game". If it's
being a flaming fast active content system that is tightly integrated with the
operating system, then yes, ActiveX is beautiful. If, instead, Java's "game"
was to be a platform-independent, object-oriented, more-or-less elegant means
of providing active content, then ActiveX doesn't _even_ count.
> I mean, how does MS do it? How can you not acknowledge that there
>is definitely something 'superior', in whatever sense you want to take
>it, about Microsoft?
Microsoft proved to me that you can kick ass and take names with even a
mediocre product if you have a marketing engine behind you. My year in the
pizza business proved it to me again.
>--Vikas
-jhp
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Ron Broberg
: What has he done that's smart? And to qualify that, I mean Bill Gates
: himself, and provide some hint that he was the person responsible
: not just the guy that took credit.
: Hmmph. I think he's incompetent in both areas. I've seen no proof to
: the contrary. Microsoft's success means nothing, as it's not a one
: man company, and it has succeeded despite tremendous blunders (there
: are countless examples of smart people at the helm of failed
: companies, and idiots at the helm of winning ones). "Marketting"?
: Microsoft succeeded despite a total *lack* of marketting. Sure,
: nowdays you see ads everywhere, but 5 years ago and earlier, they were
Give the guy some credit. He is one of the richest men in the world,
and probably the youngest in that crowd. He had the foresight to cash
in on a hackers game of giving each other freeware, turning this
wonderful hobby into a real business. Poor software, lousy marketing,
and business blunders. Sounds like you think any idiot can make a
BILLION dollars! We don't have to like the way Uncle Bill plays the
game, but as far as most of the world is concerned, he's a hell of a lot
smarter ( = succesful) then we are.
-rb
Old-Fashioned Staffordshire Plate...
In article <slrn5abpj7...@joshua.insight.att.com>, vi...@insight.att.com writes...
>Wouldnt you call 'taking advantage of opportunies' 'good business savvy'?
>Dont get me wrong, I am no fan of MS and/or BG. I think their products
>suck. But I cannot help but admire MS for the way they have taken
>the computing world by storm.
Is this much in the same way we should admire Al Capone for taking the liquor
industry by storm?
>Yes, but look at the way they have jumped on to the band wagon and are
>near the top of the pack now. __THIS__ is what I mean when I say
>that you have to admire MS. Even though they started late in the Internet
>game, they are one of the leaders now. They are beating Netscape
>at their own game inspite of the huge head-start Netscape had.
That's because they are a monopoly position company using illegal dumping to
squeeze netscape, the innovators, until they run out of cash. They have no
business even being in the www market, they have absolutely nothing to do with
creating it. They are a jonny come lately with lots and lots of money and a
desktop monopoly that can be leveraged to squash anyone they want. This is the
essance of a monopoly. Far from admiring them for this, I despise them.
Old-Fashioned Staffordshire Plate...
In article <32a832d2...@news.cyberhighway.net>, ph...@cyberhighway.net writes...
>Sounds like jealousy to me.
HEY! THAT'S ORIGINAL PHIL! (nice crossposting too!)....
Old-Fashioned Staffordshire Plate...
In article <58aoir$b...@tofu.alt.net>, me...@dimples.com (Mercury Park Dimples)
crossposts by default using the shoveware based client: WinVN 0.93.14...
>Do realize how many decades it's been since this practice has
>been commonplace? Why is it all of the sudden evil because Bill
>gates does it? You folk are really reaching and could use
>some more substantial things to occupy your mind with than this
>bitter jealousy.
I tried running a program on your posting and it failed at the
following line:
num_jealousy_argument++;
with an integer overflow. I guess I'll need to go to 64 bits to begin to
keep track of all the alt.fan.bill-gates newbies now...
Perhaps, you don't even realize where you are crossposting? Go back to the
archives of alt.fan.bill-gates and you will find many instances of the
fallacious 'jealousy' argument refuted with some very substantial things
about bill gates, m$, their monopoly and what they with with it to the computer
industry.
Eugene O'Neil
In article <57t12f$r...@sally.dma.org>, jay...@rcinet.com (Jay Schamus) wrote:
>In message <32A128...@foothill.net> - "D.M." <dw...@foothill.net> writes:
>:>Wrong, I have a client that I have donated time to, a non-profit
>:>hospice. They were using illegal copies of some of MS code. After
>:>telling them the PC police could get them, and sujested they contact MS
>:>to see if they would donate to a non-profit hospice; They did, and they
>:>did. MS even offered more software than they wanted, and all of it free.
>:>So do not tell me they are not sharing in their luck, because they do.
>
>I was talking up Bill Gates. not M$. Corporate PR departments love these sort
>of giveaways. BG probably knew nothing about it. If he did, he might of
>nixed it, given his legendary stinginess.
Why is it that whenever Microsoft does something bad, it's Bill Gates' own
personal fault, but when they do something good (always for the wrong reasons,
of course), Bill had nothing to do with it? Weird how it works out that way...
And what about this stinginess? He is obviously smart with money, but I've never
heard him called stingy before (exept maybe in the same breath as "baby-eating
ghoul", but I tend to discount such opinions).
Judging by the hysterical tone of these anti-Gates posts, I can only imagine his
stinginess is "legendary" in the sense that it is a fanciful yet widely-believed
figment of the imagination.
You people make me sick. It takes no guts at all to "stand up" to the "evil" of
microsoft. It also doesn't take brains or character. Worst of all, it doesn't
result in positive, meaningful action. It is merely a way for childish people to
release their senseless, pent up jealousy and spitefulness.
Why don't you just run along and set some cats on fire, and leave the internet
for intelligent converstation?
-Eugene
Darin Johnson
>Sounds like you think any idiot can make a
>BILLION dollars! We don't have to like the way Uncle Bill plays the
>game, but as far as most of the world is concerned, he's a hell of a lot
>smarter ( = succesful) then we are.
Success != smarts. If it did, then lots more people would be rich.
Hard work does not make success either, else lots more people...
Pople in the billion dollar club, if you look at them all, and even
excluding those who got it through intelligence, are not smarter,
better, or harder working than everyone else.
Smarter does not equal successful, get a clue already. That's absurd
ridiculous drivel. The big problem, is most of the world has this
idiotic notion that success means you're a better person somehow; and
because Bill is more successful than most, he must be better than
most. Bill got lucky, and he's even said that many times, he got
lucky technically, and lucky in business, and basically had things
handed too him. Sure, he's smart enough to know a good deal when it's
handed too him, but I think most people are in that crowd as well.
The whole ball got rolling by selling DOS to IBM, and that doesn't take
smarts (and it wasn't Bill who did it, no kid could ever sell anything to
IBM, someone had to have worn the suit; and having an inside track to
IBM didn't hurt either). Windows? Bill didn't write it. Internet? Bill
thought it was going to go nowhere and said so publically. There's not
evidence I see that he's smarter or better than any one else, just luckier
and more successful.
--
Darin Johnson
da...@connectnet.com
Mercury Park Dimples
In article <slrn5agred...@connectnet1.connectnet.com>,
da...@connectnet1.connectnet.com says...
>
>>My understanding of MS is that Bill Gates was one of the co-founders,
>>along with Paul Allen. Try reading the book "The Road Ahead", maybe
>>that will clear up your misconceptions.
>
>That's what I said!! Co-founder means with a group of other people.
>Ie, not a solitary person. And it wasn't just Paul Allen and Bill Gates.
>Very employee at Microsoft at start with a co-founder! (all 14 or so).
>"The Road Ahead", sure it's not a self-serving book?
Hee, hee. No, that's not what Co-founder means. I suggest that you
just skip "The Road Ahead" for now and try something close at hand:
The Dictionary.
>>>Since he was not number one, how would Microsoft have failed if he
>>>wasn't there? What ideas or decisions were his and his alone that
>>>other Microsoft people wouldn't have made? The success of Microsoft
>>>happened despite its own blunders.
>>
>>
>>He IS #1. He is the CEO of MS. Maybe you can figure it out now.
>
>He was not always number 1. Get it now??? Just because he's number
>one now, does not mean he made all the crucial decisions for Microsoft
>in the past.
Only once was he not #1. At that time, he shared the #1 position
with Paul Allen. Get it now??? Please, let it go now???
>Microsoft would have existed without Bill.
And again I say, someone probably would have started a similar
company sometime, but 1) Bill did, and more than anything 2)
Bill was directly (and solely) responsible for MS today.
So, asking this question today, one can only say "No, MS would
likely not be as it is today if it were not for Bill".
Case in point: Digital
An early startup with a sole, very smart, founder. Trouble is,
he was nowhere near the business man that Bill is.
>>>Again the question, why would Microsoft have not existed without Bill
Gates?
>
>You didn't answer this. All you did was say how Bill is number one
>today and how he was one of the founders.
Darin, Darin, DARIN -- GIVE IT UP.
You are entitled to your opinion and it seems like it will not
be swayed, but so far most of your facts have been WAY off base.
Give it up.
hra...@cloud9.net
Ron Broberg (rbro...@alf.UCCS.edu) wrote:
: Give the guy some credit. He is one of the richest men in the world,
: and probably the youngest in that crowd. He had the foresight to cash
: in on a hackers game of giving each other freeware, turning this
: wonderful hobby into a real business. Poor software, lousy marketing,
: BILLION dollars! We don't have to like the way Uncle Bill plays the
: game, but as far as most of the world is concerned, he's a hell of a lot
: smarter ( = succesful) then we are.
On the contrary, an idiot made himself 18 billion dollars! Sure he had
the foresight to cash in on the software market, that don't change the fact
that the man and his company do not have a shread of morals between them.
Just about everything Microsoft does is motivated by greed. They could care
less about decency and integrity as long as it makes them a buck in the end.
Take Java for instance. Microsoft is about to cause the industry years upon
years of headaches with their lame attempt to short circuit the Java threat
by "splitting" from the defined standards and creating a Win32 based Java
implementation. Anyone can see that when splits like this happens it screws
things up for decades, look at Unix for instance. Yet, because their greed
comes before anything, Microsoft without batting an eyelash is ready to
totally screw up one of the greatest achievements in computer science
history. I hope that it backfires in their face but I fear I am being a
little too optimistic in hoping there is something out there that will take
Microsoft down. One can dream though.
tomlinson
hra...@cloud9.net wrote:
: Yet, because their greed
: comes before anything, Microsoft without batting an eyelash is ready to
: totally screw up one of the greatest achievements in computer science
: history...
Aw, jeez...let's not be _too_ hyperbolic, now, shall we?
I can't quite see what the hype about Java is for, myself. I
gave Java a look. It's a rather nice little language, like C++ Lite.
IMO it's rather bloated with extraneous, "specialty" classes; I'd
rather that a language were as general as possible. And so far,
I've seen a grand total of _one_ useful thing written in Java--
a partial transliteration of yacc, called "antlr" or something
like that. (yacc -> ? -> antler + LR grammar -> antlr; yeah, it's
a nice double pun.)
Cheers,
-et
--
Ernest S. Tomlinson | And still another opinion...
etom...@rohan.sdsu.edu | "I AM, HAVE BEEN, AND WILL BE ONLY ONE THING--
------------------------+ AN AMERICAN." - Charles Foster Kane
Darin Johnson
>>That's what I said!! Co-founder means with a group of other people.
>Hee, hee. No, that's not what Co-founder means. I suggest that you
>just skip "The Road Ahead" for now and try something close at hand:
> The Dictionary.
You have a dictionary with co-founder in it? I checked two, including
Webster's, and it's not there. Oh well, I took it to mean that the
person is not the sole founder. One of a group of people that are
collectively the founders. I seriously doubt any dictionary will say
that only 2 people make a group of co-founders and 3 or more have to
be called something else. Despite "The Road Ahead" self-serving crap,
Bill Gates and Paul Allen were not the only founders.
>Only once was he not #1. At that time, he shared the #1 position
>with Paul Allen. Get it now??? Please, let it go now???
And he became number one *after* Microsoft became a success :-) Being
CEO does not make you dictator and sole decision maker (although I
worked one place where it was true, but it was the exception). Thus,
being number one, does not mean that the company would have died, not
prospered, or never existed without that person.
And that's what the whole "Microsoft would never have existed without
Bill Gates" thing means. Someone honestly said (naively I assume) that
this was true because Bill was number 1. That's ingenuous.
>And again I say, someone probably would have started a similar
>company sometime, but 1) Bill did, and more than anything 2)
>Bill was directly (and solely) responsible for MS today.
1) Bill AND OTHERS founded it.
2) Bill was not directly responsible for the things that made MS
a success. This is opinion of course, but I've seen no evidence
that he was the brains and the mover and shaker.
What made Microsoft a success? First, selling DOS to IBM. That's the
biggest one. Was Bill responsible for this? Nothing I've heard says
so. At that particular time, was Bill in a high decision making post?
The way the vast majority of tiny computer companies founded by
homebrew enthusiasts were set up at that time, decisions were a group
process. Was Microsoft so vastly different that everyone deferred to
some geeky 14 year old for vital company decisions? I doubt it. No,
the decision would have been made if Bill was there or not. (of
course, it helped that Bill's Mom had an angle with IBM)
Second big success is building on momentum; not Bill's responsiblity
here, the momentum would have happened to any company who licensed the
PC OS to IBM. Of course, they built on this due to sneaky licensing.
Is this the big Bill success, the sell it cheap until they're hooked
philosophy? It sounds more likely an adult taught the child how to be
underhanded.
Second big success, Windows. Did Bill write this? Did he instigate
this? Was everyone sitting around int he dark until Bill said "let
there be Windows"? I don't think so, I would call all the other
Microsoft employees that dump - lots of other products were out that had
windowing technology, Microsoft was just playing catchup here!
Those are the biggies (NT might be one, if Microsoft had pushed it more
earlier on, but even that was instigated as a co-project with IBM,
probably mostly from IBM initially).
Now where are the critical time-line nexuses where Bill had to be
there or else?
>Darin, Darin, DARIN -- GIVE IT UP.
>
>You are entitled to your opinion and it seems like it will not
>be swayed, but so far most of your facts have been WAY off base.
I won't give it up. I am thoroughly disgusted with Bill worship...
He doesn't walk on water, and he didn't single handedly write Windows.
People are rewriting history to claim Bill was a genius, technically
or in business, when I've seen no evidence for either. Bill was
lucky, in the write place at the right time, and new how to take
advantage of things handed to him on a platter. He's done enough bone
headed things that give plenty of evidence that he's not a business or
technical genius.
And where are these facts anyway? Surely not in "The Road Ahead".
Surely not in "Triumphs of the Nerds", were many have said Bill was
distorting the truth. I'm basing my opinion off of how I saw
Microsoft start up and grow. And the whole time it was a slow steady
growth, fueled by people getting hooked on DOS, with almost zero
marketting.
--
Darin Johnson
da...@connectnet.com
red...@mhv.net
In <58c3sq$2tm8$1...@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, efe...@ibm.net (Eric D. Fether) writes:
>In message <582rbt$g...@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu> - veak...@Glue.umd.edu (David
>T. Wang)4 Dec 1996 03:32:13 GMT writes:
>:>
>:>Bruce Ediger (bed...@csn.net) wrote:
>:>: slo...@mack.rt66.com (John Millington) wrote:
>:>: >Well, I didn't see the show, but did he actually admit to using Win95
>:>: >himself? I assume BG has a "personal" machine of his own (or a LAN of
>:>: >them) in his bomb shelter -- What OS does it run?
>
>Not sure about his personal system...but MicroSoft's payroll is all done on
>OS/2...NO JOKE! :)
>
There was an interview in disInformation Week with him, and he was still
using a 486 laptop till about a month ago when he replaced it with a
pentium.
R.D.
Dos, Windoze, Fat, 1980's technology.
OS2 Merlin "Where I Want To Go Tomorrow"
Merlin says, "Speak, I understand."
World Telecom. 735-0408
Eric D. Fether (efe...@ibm.net) wrote:
: Not sure about his personal system...but MicroSoft's payroll is all done on
: OS/2...NO JOKE! :)
From whither cometh thy knowledge?
--Jon
Adnan Zafar
I think one reason that Bill Gates was (is) a major player in the shaping
of Microsoft was because he was the one who actually went to IBM and made a
deal with them to put MS-Dos on their computers. It is not because he is a
really good programmer or a computer nerd (maybe a little of both). It is
actually because he has good business sense. Hell, he had nothing to lose
because the other company which had a DOS-like OS had not cut a deal with
IBM way back then. Damn, if thats not old school, what is it?
--
Adnan Zafar
za...@hal-pc.org
Mercury Park Dimples <me...@dimples.com> wrote in article
<58i5ui$9...@tofu.alt.net>...
> In article <slrn5agred...@connectnet1.connectnet.com>,
> da...@connectnet1.connectnet.com says...
> >
> >>My understanding of MS is that Bill Gates was one of the co-founders,
> >>along with Paul Allen. Try reading the book "The Road Ahead", maybe
> >>that will clear up your misconceptions.
> >
> >That's what I said!! Co-founder means with a group of other people.
> >Ie, not a solitary person. And it wasn't just Paul Allen and Bill
Gates.
> >Very employee at Microsoft at start with a co-founder! (all 14 or so).
> >"The Road Ahead", sure it's not a self-serving book?
>
> Hee, hee. No, that's not what Co-founder means. I suggest that you
> just skip "The Road Ahead" for now and try something close at hand:
> The Dictionary.
>
> >>>Since he was not number one, how would Microsoft have failed if he
> >>>wasn't there? What ideas or decisions were his and his alone that
> >>>other Microsoft people wouldn't have made? The success of Microsoft
> >>>happened despite its own blunders.
> >>
> >>
> >>He IS #1. He is the CEO of MS. Maybe you can figure it out now.
> >
> >He was not always number 1. Get it now??? Just because he's number
> >one now, does not mean he made all the crucial decisions for Microsoft
> >in the past.
>
> Only once was he not #1. At that time, he shared the #1 position
> with Paul Allen. Get it now??? Please, let it go now???
>
> >Microsoft would have existed without Bill.
>
> And again I say, someone probably would have started a similar
> company sometime, but 1) Bill did, and more than anything 2)
> Bill was directly (and solely) responsible for MS today.
>
> So, asking this question today, one can only say "No, MS would
> likely not be as it is today if it were not for Bill".
>
> Case in point: Digital
>
> An early startup with a sole, very smart, founder. Trouble is,
> he was nowhere near the business man that Bill is.
>
> >>>Again the question, why would Microsoft have not existed without Bill
> Gates?
> >
> >You didn't answer this. All you did was say how Bill is number one
> >today and how he was one of the founders.
>
> Darin, Darin, DARIN -- GIVE IT UP.
>
> You are entitled to your opinion and it seems like it will not
> be swayed, but so far most of your facts have been WAY off base.
>
> Give it up.
>
>
>
J~
Scientists Discover New Elements
Administratium and GATESIDIOM
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assistants to the neutron, 75 vice neutrons and 111
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is present. According to one of the discoverers. even
a small amount of ADMINISTRATIUM made one reaction
which normally lasts less than a second take more than
four days.
ADMINISTRATIUM has a half-life of approximately three
years. it does not actually decay. instead, it
undergoes a reorganization in which a vice-neutron,
assistants to the vice-neutron and certain assistants
to the neutron exchange places. Some studies have
indicated that its mass actually increases after each
reorganization, although this is yet to be explained.
Another phenomenon which has been observed, as
expected from the mechanics of minute particles, is
that the more one tries to pin down the positions of
vice neutrons within the structure of ADMINISTRATIUM,
the more uncertain those positions ultimately become.
Within in the short time after the discovery was
announced, the existence of the element was confirmed
in laboratories around the world. In addition, a team
at the Microsoft University told a press conference
they had been able to create ADMINISTRATIUM in fusion
experiments conducted at ordinary room temperature.
Using highly sophisticated probability detectors, the
team had monitored a stream of memos from a FAX
mounted device. Dr. May B. No and her associate, Dr.
May B Yes, said the details of their experiment were
being kept confidential, pending further development
of the data. But, they claimed, there were definitely
more memos that came out of the FAX device than went
in.
In another experiment, MIS scientists at the site were
monitoring e-mail servers when they discovered an even
more bizarre elemental reaction. They now claim to
have found a new element even heavier than
ADMINISTRATIUM. They are calling this new element
GATESIDIOM (gT). They are unable to sort out is weight
due to continued chaotic activities and unusual clouds
of vapor that engulf its inert center, but estimates
are 21 Plus or Minus 3 Billion. GATESIDIOM is a
euxenite which exhibits a strange black hole effect.
This has interferes with government scientific study,
forcing researchers to employ sophisticated monitoring
equipment to study it radioactivity. A documentary
produced on GATESIDIOM, including new video studies of
its behavior , will be out this winter. A HARDCOPY
will be released for general audiences, with a full
DISCLOSURE scheduled for the NEW YEAR.
http://www.nwlink.com/~rosarium/broken2.html
Greg Hayes
hra...@cloud9.net wrote:
> Just about everything Microsoft does is motivated by greed.
At least their greed keeps them in business, as opposed to that
exhibited by the late C=. :(