Toys (backward R) US
Peter David THOMPSON
less clear and funnier) on the following subjects:
* Did Toys R US succeed (or even attempt) to copyright/trademark
/whatever the use of the backwards R in any sotre title?
* What is the sound of the backwards R? .(e.g A is for Apple,
backwards R is for ....). Is it an alphabetical symbol in any language?
Peter "This monitor has too small a top, and besides, I'm blocking the
cooling vents" Thompson.
Ragnar Nielsen
> * What is the sound of the backwards R? .(e.g A is for Apple,
>backwards R is for ....). Is it an alphabetical symbol in any language?
Yes, the 'backwards R' is a letter in the Cyrillic alphabet, and it is
pronounced 'ya'
Ragnar "will speak Russian for food" Nielsen
Glenn Moulaison
> * What is the sound of the backwards R? .(e.g A is for Apple,
>backwards R is for ....). Is it an alphabetical symbol in any language?
>
Must be a zen thing.
The R in the name of the store means that they are licensed to sell
shellfish year-round.
Glenn "listening to the sound of one r clapping" Moulaison
Matthew P Mackall-1
>p...@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Peter David THOMPSON) writes:
>> * What is the sound of the backwards R? .(e.g A is for Apple,
>>backwards R is for ....). Is it an alphabetical symbol in any language?
>Yes, the 'backwards R' is a letter in the Cyrillic alphabet, and it is
>pronounced 'ya'
Yet more evidence that Toys 'R' Us are communist sympathizers. Note the 'r' is also red. Boycott time!
>Ragnar "will speak Russian for food" Nielsen
Matt "will denounce communists for food" Mackall
David Lesher
# > * What is the sound of the backwards R? .(e.g A is for Apple,
# >backwards R is for ....). Is it an alphabetical symbol in any language?
# Must be a zen thing.
# The R in the name of the store means that they are licensed to sell
# shellfish year-round.
#
No,
It really means they carry the new genetically engineered shellfish that
are Kosher......
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Robert Swirsky
>backwards R is for ....). Is it an alphabetical symbol in any language?
>
It's last in the Cyrillic alphabet, right after I-O.
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Probably 'cuz they're a kids store, and that's how (lotsa) kids make R's.
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Lee Rudolph
>Probably 'cuz they're a kids store, and that's how (lotsa) kids make R's.
If Maddi Hausmann worked this group, you'd be out of here--she doesn't
approve of posts about dyslectic atheists.
Lee "not a yot nor a tittle" Rudolph
Anders Thulin
> * What is the sound of the backwards R? .(e.g A is for Apple,
>backwards R is for ....). Is it an alphabetical symbol in any language?
>
Ya. Russian.
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Phil Gustafson
>Probably 'cuz they're a kids store, and that's how (lotsa) kids make R's.
And Lee Rudolph writes:
>If Maddi Hausmann worked this group, you'd be out of here--she doesn't
>approve of posts about dyslectic atheists.
If Maddi Hausmann worked this group, she's reject his article for being too
funny.
Phil "Ouch! Stepped on a Brad!" Gustafson
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>
>If Maddi Hausmann worked this group, you'd be out of here--she doesn't
>approve of posts about dyslectic atheists.
Hey, I don't believe in dog, either!
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Ragnar Nielsen
>I have always, since knowing the Cyrillic alphabet, been tempted to read
>the whole name "Toug Ya Ig." If you can make an 'R' backwards in English,
>you can make a script "Geh" backwards in Russian (an 's'). Does it sound
>like anything in Russian to you?
No, it does not sound like something in Russian. You might want to consult
someone who knows some other Slavonic languages as well, but judging by the
sound of it, you're not even in the ballpark... ;-)
regards,
Ragnar
Jeremiah Wilton
wrote:
> p...@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Peter David THOMPSON) writes:
>
> > * What is the sound of the backwards R? .(e.g A is for Apple,
> >backwards R is for ....). Is it an alphabetical symbol in any language?
>
> Yes, the 'backwards R' is a letter in the Cyrillic alphabet, and it is
> pronounced 'ya'
I have always, since knowing the Cyrillic alphabet, been tempted to read
the whole name "Toug Ya Ig." If you can make an 'R' backwards in English,
you can make a script "Geh" backwards in Russian (an 's'). Does it sound
like anything in Russian to you?
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trying to cash in on the dinosaur thing..... say "Toysaurus" like
"Steglasaurous" or whatever the hell you call it.....
.... anyway, that's what I thought.........
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Jeff Davis
..It occurred to me when looking at the animal in the sign, that they were
..trying to cash in on the dinosaur thing..... say "Toysaurus" like
.."Steglasaurous" or whatever the hell you call it.....
...... anyway, that's what I thought.........
The man who founded Toys R Us is named Lazarus. Mel Lazarus, the
cartoonist who does the "Miss Peach" strip in the funny papers?
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William VanHorne
> ne...@meediv.lanl.gov wrote:
>The man who founded Toys R Us is named Lazarus. Mel Lazarus, the
>cartoonist who does the "Miss Peach" strip in the funny papers?
Charles Lazarus. Not to be confused with the Robert Lazarus behind
Federated Department Stores or Jo-Jo Lazarus who was raised from the
dead in Norway by Jesus.
---Bill "or World B. Free for that matter" VanHorne
Paul Tomblin
>Federated Department Stores or Jo-Jo Lazarus who was raised from the
>dead in Norway by Jesus.
You mean Ms. Kandolf wasn't the first to be raised from the dead in Norway?
Amazing!
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>In article <932491...@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> p...@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Peter
>David THOMPSON) writes:
>> * What is the sound of the backwards R? .(e.g A is for Apple,
>>backwards R is for ....). Is it an alphabetical symbol in any language?
>>
Russian word for "I".
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Derek Tearne
>In article <lrudolph....@black.clarku.edu> lrud...@black.clarku.edu (Lee Rudolph) writes:
>>
>>If Maddi Hausmann worked this group, you'd be out of here--she doesn't
>>approve of posts about dyslectic atheists.
>
>Hey, I don't believe in dog, either!
And what's the deal with mouse balls...
Derek "Why do moths fly with their legs open..." Tearne
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Doctor Science:
> I have always, since knowing the Cyrillic alphabet, been tempted to read
> the whole name "Toug Ya Ig." If you can make an 'R' backwards in English,
> you can make a script "Geh" backwards in Russian (an 's'). Does it sound
> like anything in Russian to you?
Sure does. Let's take a closer look at it.
TOYS (pronounced "TOUG"): derived from the Greek "toga", used in this sense
as a wrapping or a covering. Not restricted in meaning to a wrap or
covering for the human body and sexually-obsessed university students,
it can also apply to butcher paper or plastic food wrap.
backwards "R" (pronounced "YA"): first letter in the 18th-century Russian
word for "wax." Too bad they couldn't just use the Greek "cera."
US (pronounced "IG"): slang for a fish similar in size and taste to herring
or anchovies, although this fish has no scales and, in its mature form,
can exhibit vestigial legs. Doesn't translate directly into English,
although "sturgeon bait" comes close.
So here we have the Russian version of "Wrap the wax tadpole." Dang! They
only missed immortality by *that much*!
Apologies
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Integrated Circuits Business Division
Hewlett Packard Co, Fort Collins, Colorado
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Drew Lawson
>I seek afu enlightenment (which is like ordinary enlightenment, only
>less clear and funnier) on the following subjects:
> * Did Toys R US succeed (or even attempt) to copyright/trademark
>/whatever the use of the backwards R in any sotre title?
Under US trademark law, they could not do this, though they can object
to any other uses of it which they feel may tend to confuse the public
into thinking there is an affiliation. Of course, they have to support
the charge.
As examples, there is a (I believe affiliated) childrens clothing chain
named "Kids R Us." If this were an independant entity, they might make
a good case that, kids and toys being associated, there is a chance of
the public thinking that they are associated.
On the other hand, if someone opened "Transmissions R Us," they would
have trouble showing such potential for confusion.
I vaguely recall reading here that there was some discussion between
those at Lexis and Lexus (at least I think they are spelled
differently), the car makers and the legal database. I don't recall
who initiated the contact, but they agreed that the car maker would not
market legal databases and the database service would not make cars.
> * What is the sound of the backwards R? .(e.g A is for Apple,
>backwards R is for ....). Is it an alphabetical symbol in any language?
I am told that it is used in Spanish, though I do not know what sound
it makes. It wasn't in the part covered in high school Spanish. I
think it is old and falling out of use (in this age of international
use of roman the alphabet, even if it doesn't work).
Drew "actually it indicates revisionist backtracking of history" Lawson
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Lee Rudolph
>> * What is the sound of the backwards R? .(e.g A is for Apple,
>>backwards R is for ....). Is it an alphabetical symbol in any language?
>I am told that it is used in Spanish, though I do not know what sound
>it makes.
Close, Drew. In fact it's commonly seen in Georgia, and Georgia was
just Florida del Norte back when the Spanish speakers owned it the
first time around.
What I don't know is if you can use it in Telefonos de Mexico's versions
of 800 and 900 numbers. Well, that'll all change under NAFTA, anyhoo.
Lee "dial 1-900-AFU-YAYA for an information kit, only two fifty" Rudolph
Steve Wildstrom
>In article <932491...@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
> p...@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Peter David THOMPSON) writes:
[much deleted]
>I vaguely recall reading here that there was some discussion between
>those at Lexis and Lexus (at least I think they are spelled
>differently), the car makers and the legal database. I don't recall
>who initiated the contact, but they agreed that the car maker would not
>market legal databases and the database service would not make cars.
Mead Data Central, owners of Lexis, sought an injunction against Toyota when
the Lexus was frist introduced to the US. The court said no on the perfectly
reasonable ground that no one was likely to confuse a car and a legal database.
>> * What is the sound of the backwards R? .(e.g A is for Apple,
>>backwards R is for ....). Is it an alphabetical symbol in any language?
In russian, it's pronounced "ya." Standing by itself, it means "I."
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David Iverson
>Probably 'cuz they're a kids store, and that's how (lotsa) kids make R's.
That's because most kids have had exposure to flouride before they're
properly exposed to the virtues of democracy.
-David 'the Rosenberg's ate toothpaste as kids' Iverson
Dan Mckinnon
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Peter David THOMPSON
Thanks. If Toys ya Us arrives down here, I'll know how to annoy
any of their employees which posess Russian linguistic capabilities.
Peter (No Quotes) Thompson.
Drew Lawson
>>
>>If Maddi Hausmann worked this group, you'd be out of here--she doesn't
>>approve of posts about dyslectic atheists.
>
>Hey, I don't believe in dog, either!
So, tell us about your mouse balls.
Drew "or green golf balls" Lawson
alexander robert mclean
>In article <932491...@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
> p...@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Peter David THOMPSON) writes:
>
>>I seek afu enlightenment (which is like ordinary enlightenment, only
>>less clear and funnier) on the following subjects:
>> * Did Toys R US succeed (or even attempt) to copyright/trademark
>>/whatever the use of the backwards R in any sotre title?
>
>Under US trademark law, they could not do this, though they can object
>to any other uses of it which they feel may tend to confuse the public
>into thinking there is an affiliation. Of course, they have to support
>the charge.
>
>have trouble showing such potential for confusion.
Those of us on the North Shore of Chicago have seen the trucks tooling
around that say Tows (backwards R) Us.
A.
Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418
make a liquor store that wanted to be known as "Booze backwards-R Us"
change it's name.
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Drew Lawson <law...@acuson.com> wrote:
>In article <1993Sep7.2...@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
> vkoc...@nyx.cs.du.edu (Vance Kochenderfer) writes:
>>In article <lrudolph....@black.clarku.edu> lrud...@black.clarku.edu (Lee Rudolph) writes:
>>>
>>>If Maddi Hausmann worked this group, you'd be out of here--she doesn't
>>>approve of posts about dyslectic atheists.
>>
>>Hey, I don't believe in dog, either!
>
>So, tell us about your mouse balls.
>
>Drew "or green golf balls" Lawson
Don't they go green side up?
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|>
|> Thanks. If Toys ya Us arrives down here, I'll know how to annoy
|> any of their employees which posess Russian linguistic capabilities.
|>
Andrew "Amazing how toy departments in local stores are suddenly getting
bigger these days" Lewis
Malinda McCall
Hmm. I like it, it has a good ring to it.
MM
Don Dillon
: I have heard (presented as fact, of course) that TRU did sucessfully
: make a liquor store that wanted to be known as "Booze backwards-R Us"
: change it's name.
Yep, that be right. Happened here in Santa Rosa, where else I don't know.
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Andrew Bulhak
>In article <932491...@mulga.cs.mu.oz.au> p...@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Peter David THOMPSON) writes:
>> * What is the sound of the backwards R? .(e.g A is for Apple,
>>backwards R is for ....). Is it an alphabetical symbol in any language?
>>
>Must be a zen thing.
>The R in the name of the store means that they are licensed to sell
>shellfish year-round.
I thought that it meant that they support Operation Rescue.
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In a previous article, do...@sr.hp.com (Don Dillon) says:
>Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418 (da...@Ingres.COM) wrote:
>: I have heard (presented as fact, of course) that TRU did sucessfully
>: make a liquor store that wanted to be known as "Booze backwards-R Us"
>: change it's name.
>
>Yep, that be right. Happened here in Santa Rosa, where else I don't know.
>
I know of three companies in Southern California that had to change
their names under threat of lawsuit. They used to be known as:
Spas R Us (they sold hot tubs)
Videos R Us
Lamps R Us
Rick "R" Kitchen
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Esplanade
a...@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Bulhak) writes:
|> gmou...@epas.utoronto.ca (Glenn Moulaison) writes:
|>
|> >In article <932491...@mulga.cs.mu.oz.au> p...@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU
(Peter David THOMPSON) writes:
|>
|> >> * What is the sound of the backwards R? .(e.g A is for Apple,
|> >>backwards R is for ....). Is it an alphabetical symbol in any
language?
Too many attributions! WHo originally wrote the above remark?
Anyway, my old housemate told me that Russian has a backwards R which
is
called "ya" (I imagine this was posted before). Anyway, he calls the
store
"Toys ya Us", and the popular game "Tet y us". I have a fishtank, which
of
course has Tetyas in it, too.
Ya we having fun?
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>I know of three companies in Southern California that had to change
>their names under threat of lawsuit. They used to be known as:
>Spas R Us (they sold hot tubs)
>Videos R Us
>Lamps R Us
I can verify this last one. There were two "LAMPS R US" (forwards r) I
knew of, both within a block from different "TOYS R US"s (backwards r).
After a while, they officially changed to "LAMPS PLUS" by snipping a
bit off the R and adding an L.
-Paul "Monty" "Find the cleverly added space" Ashley
Drew Lawson
>
>>Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418 (da...@Ingres.COM) wrote:
>>: I have heard (presented as fact, of course) that TRU did sucessfully
>>: make a liquor store that wanted to be known as "Booze backwards-R Us"
>>: change it's name.
>>
>>Yep, that be right. Happened here in Santa Rosa, where else I don't know.
>>
>
>I know of three companies in Southern California that had to change
>their names under threat of lawsuit. They used to be known as:
>Spas R Us (they sold hot tubs)
>Videos R Us
>Lamps R Us
This is convincing to the "man on the street" who has not been reading
"lawyer bashing" threads, but it doesn't convince me.
There is a distinct difference between
1) "Toys R Us" can make you change your business' name.
and
2) "Toys R Us" can intimidate you with a threat of a lawsuit and a
legal budget larger than your entire business.
Does anybody have examples of businesses ordered by the court to change
their names?
Drew "toys we be" Lawson
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DaveHatunen
Define "make" you change your name. Normally, the fact that a court
will rule in McDonald's or Toys R Us' favor in a hefty judgement is
enough to make someone change their name. It ain't just the legal
budget to fight the suit: it's also the fact that you'll lose. Roughly
speaking, as I understand it, the test is: Would Booze R Us have called
themselves that it Toys R Us weren't around? If the answer is probably
(it's a civil suit) no, then Booze R Us can be presumed to be trading
on the Toys R Us trademark. And Toys R Us also has a kids furnishings
subsidiary called Kids R Us, so they're establishing a legal
stranglehold on "R Us" usage.
While I don't know of specific judgements that directly ordered a name
change, it would be within the court's powers. Failure to comply would
be contempt of court.
Maybe if enough people used backward R's it would become generic, like
kleenex and aspirin?
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Christopher Horymski
>>"lawyer bashing" threads, but it doesn't convince me.
>>
>>There is a distinct difference between
>> 1) "Toys R Us" can make you change your business' name.
>>
>> and
>>
>> 2) "Toys R Us" can intimidate you with a threat of a lawsuit and a
>> legal budget larger than your entire business.
>>
>>Does anybody have examples of businesses ordered by the court to change
>>their names?
There was a suit-countersuit action betwwen Quality Inns Intl. and
McDonald's in 1988. Quality was going to call their Motel-6ish venture
"McSleep Inn". McDonald's objected, and they both ended up in
U.S. District Court Baltimore. The court ruled in favor of McDonald's
(see Harper's, December 1988).
Chris `thus overturning the McGill precedent' Horymski
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Kevin Martinez
Snip, snip, slice....
>This is convincing to the "man on the street" who has not been reading
>"lawyer bashing" threads, but it doesn't convince me.
>There is a distinct difference between
> 1) "Toys R Us" can make you change your business' name.
> and
> 2) "Toys R Us" can intimidate you with a threat of a lawsuit and a
> legal budget larger than your entire business.
>Does anybody have examples of businesses ordered by the court to change
>their names?
>Drew "toys we be" Lawson
>--
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>law...@acuson.com | and he knew that he was
Was the Santa Cruz health food eatery "Dharma's" forced by court or coercion
to relinquish the "McDharma's" name? I seem to recall court action initiated
by McDonald's but it happened several years ago.....
I can't wait for the laptop and hamburger markets to overlap. Just think:
Apple and McDonald's in court!
Apple Big Offer for Big Mac or McDonald's Says No to Apples
Many lawyers could feed off of this one for years.
--
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Paul Tomblin
>I can't wait for the laptop and hamburger markets to overlap. Just think:
>Apple and McDonald's in court!
There is a bit of computer folklore that the day the Macintosh was announced,
the president of MacDonalds (Ray Kroc?) called the president of Apple (John
Sculley) and warned him that if they called ANYTHING a "Big Mac" that wasn't
a tasteless hamburber made by MacDonalds, they would sue Apples' asses off.
Paul "And then make them into burgers" Tomblin
Ad absurdum per aspera
> >their names?
> Was the Santa Cruz health food eatery "Dharma's" forced by court or coercion
> to relinquish the "McDharma's" name? I seem to recall court action initiated
> by McDonald's but it happened several years ago.....
McDonald's is one of several companies that are notoriously
aggressive in this regard. They seem willing to accept the
adverse (but perhaps largely local) publicity of a Bambi-vs.-
Godzilla legal action in order to protect their trademark.
Note that they're genuinely concerned that some other company
is catching a free ride on their coattails. Having spent a lot
of money to build up their well-known and presumably good name,
they demand the right to have it all to themselves.
This would seem much more serious than, say, Xerox fighting
an eternal, low-level war to put up a good show of protecting
their trademark -- i.e., when someone writes of x*r*x*ng a
document rather than photocopying it. The practical difference
is that they will probably do little more than send you a nasty
note as evidence that they tried, whereas companies in the
former position tell you to mend your ways or risk getting
cratered. Principles are all well and good, but it takes some
filthy lucre to make them wheel out the big guns.
> I can't wait for the laptop and hamburger markets to overlap. Just think:
> Apple and McDonald's in court!
The issue seems to have been dropped lately, but Apple used to
owe some kind of fealty to McIntosh, a small, long-established
manufacturer of high-end audio equipment, for use of a similar-
sounding trade name. I guess that different areas of the consumer
electronics business are too closely related to take chances, but
hardware and hamburgers are separated enough to get away with it.
> Many lawyers could feed off of this one for years.
I just had lunch and don't care to hear what lawyers feed off of,
but thank you for the kind offer.
Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
Michael D. Maxfield
>
>>Does anybody have examples of businesses ordered by the court to change
>>their names?
In the San Francisco East Bay (possibly in the greater bay area too) there
was a company called "Tours R Us" which was an airport shuttle type
service. Toys-r-us did legally force them to change their name.
While I am not absolutly sure, I believe that they are the same company
which currently uses the name "Airport Direct Shuttle" these days.
tw...@netcom.com tw...@tweekco.uucp WWIVNet 1@511 DoD #MCMLX
I'd rather get my cable service from the phone company,
than my phone service from the cable company.
Sean Malloy
>In article <1993Sep20....@acuson.com> law...@acuson.com (Drew Lawson) writes:
>>In article <27a5d6$i...@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
>> da...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard N Kitchen) writes:
>>>I know of three companies in Southern California that had to change
>>>their names under threat of lawsuit. They used to be known as:
>>>Spas R Us (they sold hot tubs)
>>>Videos R Us
>>>Lamps R Us
>>This is convincing to the "man on the street" who has not been reading
>>"lawyer bashing" threads, but it doesn't convince me.
>>
>>There is a distinct difference between
>> 1) "Toys R Us" can make you change your business' name.
>>
>> and
>>
>> 2) "Toys R Us" can intimidate you with a threat of a lawsuit and a
>> legal budget larger than your entire business.
>>
>>Does anybody have examples of businesses ordered by the court to change
>>their names?
>
>Define "make" you change your name. Normally, the fact that a court
>will rule in McDonald's or Toys R Us' favor in a hefty judgement is
>enough to make someone change their name. It ain't just the legal
>budget to fight the suit: it's also the fact that you'll lose. Roughly
>speaking, as I understand it, the test is: Would Booze R Us have called
>themselves that it Toys R Us weren't around?
A local example in San Diego was a weekly magazine distributed free calling
itself The Byte Buyer -- a magazine with basic, informative articles
directed at the man-in-the-street computer buyer or owner, subsisting on
advertising revenues from local hardware and software merchants. They got
served with a suit from BYTE Magazine claiming that their choice of name
constituted a deliberate attempt to cash in on BYTE's name and reputation
in the market. This after The Byte Buyer had been distributed for some four
or five years without a _word_ from BYTE. Not having the resources to fight
this suit, The Byte Buyer published an editorial detailing how BYTE
Magazine believed that a forty-page newsprint magazine distributed free in
the San Diego area only was a threat to their nationwide market position
and held a contest to pick a new name; it's now ComputorEdge magazine.
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Sean Malloy
>> I can't wait for the laptop and hamburger markets to overlap. Just think:
>> Apple and McDonald's in court!
>
>The issue seems to have been dropped lately, but Apple used to
>owe some kind of fealty to McIntosh, a small, long-established
>manufacturer of high-end audio equipment, for use of a similar-
>sounding trade name. I guess that different areas of the consumer
>electronics business are too closely related to take chances, but
>hardware and hamburgers are separated enough to get away with it.
And I believe that there was some legal hooraw about a year back when Apple
brought out their enhanced sound features for the Mac line; apparently
McIntosh (based in Britain, I believe the traffic about it said) regarded
this as a violation of the market agreement Apple had signed with them. I
forget precisely what came of it; I seem to recall something about Apple
settling the whole thing by _buying_ McIntosh.
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No parking EXCEPT FOR BOB
>And I believe that there was some legal hooraw about a year back when Apple
>brought out their enhanced sound features for the Mac line; apparently
>McIntosh (based in Britain, I believe the traffic about it said) regarded
>this as a violation of the market agreement Apple had signed with them. I
>forget precisely what came of it; I seem to recall something about Apple
>settling the whole thing by _buying_ McIntosh.
No McIntosh, but Apple Corps, Ltd., the Beatles' publishing company.
When Apple Computer was founded, the Steves agreed not to make music
products and the older company agreed to the use of the name.
At least, that's the way I heard it. Sounds plausible, but after
participating in AFU for a while, I won't claim to *know* it's true.
Bob O'Bob
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kenneth savage
No parking EXCEPT FOR BOB <obr...@netcom.com> wrote:
>
>No McIntosh, but Apple Corps, Ltd., the Beatles' publishing company.
>When Apple Computer was founded, the Steves agreed not to make music
>products and the older company agreed to the use of the name.
>At least, that's the way I heard it. Sounds plausible, but after
>participating in AFU for a while, I won't claim to *know* it's true.
Yes, it was Apple Corps, Ltd. which sued Apple Computers. The way I heard it,
the two entered into a loosely worded agreement that went like this: You stay
out of the music business, and we'll stay out of the computer business. Fine
and dandy. But then Apple (Computer) came out with the Apple IIgs (which by
no coincidence, I'm typing on at this very moment!) which incorporates an
Ensoniq synthesizer chip on it's motherboard. (that's what the 's' stands
for: great sound capabilities).
Well, apparently bleeding profusely from the pocketbook from wounds inflicted
by Michael Jackson, who secured the rights to all of the fab four's music,
Paul McCartney and Apple Corps decided to go after Apple Computer for this
breach of contract.
Apple Computer then lost out big-time, to the tune of $28 million. And
everyone on comp.sys.apple2 wonders why Apple Com. wishes they'd never
_seen_ the Apple IIgs!
BTW- I have some stock in Apple, and this is documented in their annual
stockholder reports of the time. This doesn't, however, rule out the
possibility of my some-times foggy memory getting the facts a little mussed,
but I'm pretty sure that's nearly the exact way it happened.
Tim Savage | ksa...@ub.d.umn.edu | Apple II Forever!(tm)
James Ellis Shapiro
>
>And I believe that there was some legal hooraw about a year back when Apple
>brought out their enhanced sound features for the Mac line; apparently
>McIntosh (based in Britain, I believe the traffic about it said) regarded
>this as a violation of the market agreement Apple had signed with them. I
>forget precisely what came of it; I seem to recall something about Apple
>settling the whole thing by _buying_ McIntosh.
>
after all the mail I've gotten concerning my more recent posts, Apple
Computer was being sued by Apple Records (from Beatle fame) for
moving into the music field. Now, I don't want to kindle any more
fires regarding the question as to whether the computer is really a
musical instrument.
>
>---sig removed---
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Charles Lasner
Sean Malloy <mal...@crash.cts.com> wrote:
>brought out their enhanced sound features for the Mac line; apparently
>McIntosh (based in Britain, I believe the traffic about it said) regarded
I don't know about Apple buying McIntosh audio out, but McIntosh is based in
Binghampton, NY.
cj "Didn't Monty Python once eat a three-sided apple?" l
No parking EXCEPT FOR BOB
> This doesn't, however, rule out the
>possibility of my some-times foggy memory getting the facts a little mussed,
>but I'm pretty sure that's nearly the exact way it happened.
>
Nice try, but a little to obvious.
Bob "spot the troll" O'Bob
--
Denis McKeon
>
>Does anybody have examples of businesses ordered by the court to change
>their names?
A few years ago two New Mexico women brought out a line of, uhm, larger
women's jeans named "Lardashe," and were doing a pretty good business
with them when Jordache took offense & sued. As I recall, Jordache lost
the infringement suit, but the defense costs broke the bank for Lardashe.
--
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gal...@chtm.eece.unm.edu
Richard Joltes
[regarding "We Be Toys" and their attachment to the reversed "R"]
>Was the Santa Cruz health food eatery "Dharma's" forced by court or coercion
>to relinquish the "McDharma's" name? I seem to recall court action initiated
>by McDonald's but it happened several years ago.....
>
>I can't wait for the laptop and hamburger markets to overlap. Just think:
>Apple and McDonald's in court!
>
>Apple Big Offer for Big Mac or McDonald's Says No to Apples
>
>Many lawyers could feed off of this one for years.
For several years the town of North Reading, MA was home of "McWongs" which
claimed to be the "Home of Big Pac." The building looked to be the remains
of some other fast-food eatery that had been converted (and painted bright,
fire-engine red!) by the new owners.
Never ate there, but several friends said the food was okay. And they did
serve "Big Pac" meals. They're now closed, but the place was around for at
least 6-7 years. To my knowledge they did not have any trouble with Mickey
D's, whose closest store was about 1/4 mile away.
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Catherine Anne Foulston
>I can't wait for the laptop and hamburger markets to overlap. Just think:
>Apple and McDonald's in court!
A story I always believed but which may be legend is that Apple
Computer is prohibited from selling certain hardware/software
related to making music, due to a legal settlement with Apple
Records. (Many Beatles albums, and some albums by the individual
beatles after the breakup, were released on the Apple label.)
If this really isn't true, someone pleeez tell me.
Catherine
"Space alien raped my Weed Eater!"
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John Switzer
>In article <CDpxn...@rahul.net> l...@rahul.net (Kevin Martinez) writes:
>
>>I can't wait for the laptop and hamburger markets to overlap. Just think:
>>Apple and McDonald's in court!
>
>A story I always believed but which may be legend is that Apple
>Computer is prohibited from selling certain hardware/software
>related to making music, due to a legal settlement with Apple
>Records. (Many Beatles albums, and some albums by the individual
>beatles after the breakup, were released on the Apple label.)
>If this really isn't true, someone pleeez tell me.
It's true - Apple Records sued Apple Computers about five years ago
because they started coming out with music-related items for the Mac.
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: Denis McKeon
: gal...@chtm.eece.unm.edu
Remember the Chunk'n'dales brouhaha awhile back?
(For the location-disadvantaged among you who don't live in NM, the
Chunk'n'dales were a group of overweight, middle-aged (disk jockeys? help
me out here, Denis) who performed a male stripper act a' la' the
Chipndales; they subsequently got their -ahem- pants sued off.)
ras
"No, I never saw the act"
Drew Lawson
>>There is a distinct difference between
>> 1) "Toys R Us" can make you change your business' name.
>>
>> and
>>
>> 2) "Toys R Us" can intimidate you with a threat of a lawsuit and a
>> legal budget larger than your entire business.
>>
>>Does anybody have examples of businesses ordered by the court to change
>>their names?
>Define "make" you change your name. Normally, the fact that a court
>will rule in McDonald's or Toys R Us' favor in a hefty judgement is
>enough to make someone change their name. It ain't just the legal
>budget to fight the suit: it's also the fact that you'll lose.
>Roughly
>speaking, as I understand it, the test is: Would Booze R Us have called
>themselves that it Toys R Us weren't around?
I thought that the basic question for trademark infringement was
_supposed_ to be, "Does the usage in question potentially imply
association with the trademarked usage?"
In other words, for Toys R Us to get the court to order Booze R Us to
change its name, Toys R Us would have to show that the potential exists
that consumers will mistake it as an affiliated operation.
>If the answer is probably
>(it's a civil suit) no, then Booze R Us can be presumed to be trading
>on the Toys R Us trademark. And Toys R Us also has a kids furnishings
>subsidiary called Kids R Us, so they're establishing a legal
>stranglehold on "R Us" usage.
>
>While I don't know of specific judgements that directly ordered a name
>change, it would be within the court's powers. Failure to comply would
>be contempt of court.
>
>
>Maybe if enough people used backward R's it would become generic, like
>kleenex and aspirin?
Actually, I think "Kleenex" is still defended, just like "Xerox." They
are both waiting to be pushed down (at least in the US) bu the first
person who bothers to try.
"Aspirin" as most of AFU knows, was lost as part of post-WWII actions
against Germany and German firms.
Drew "still not a lawyer" Lawson
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Tom Wood
>
> Does anybody have examples of businesses ordered by the court to change
> their names?
>
Sinatra opened a restaurant in San Francisco named "Sinatra's."
Of course, the black-hearted lawyers of Old Blue Eyes sued him
faster than you can say "Mafioso." I seem to remember that the
lawyers successfully forced Mr. Sinatra not to use his surname
on his business.
Tom "thank God Natalie is dead" Wood
SSU
Spfld Il USA
wo...@eagle.sangamon.edu
bill nelson
: >
: I have a vague memory of reading that a man whose real name was
: Sinatra opened a restaurant in San Francisco named "Sinatra's."
: Of course, the black-hearted lawyers of Old Blue Eyes sued him
: faster than you can say "Mafioso." I seem to remember that the
: lawyers successfully forced Mr. Sinatra not to use his surname
: on his business.
I would suspect that this would not happen, unless there was already
a restaurant in the state with the same name.
Besides, if old cold eyes did not like it, he would just but the
business and change the name himself.
Bill "Or make him an offer that he wouldn't get a chance to refuse" Nelson
Michael D. Maxfield
>wo...@eagle.sangamon.edu (Tom Wood) writes:
>: >
>: I have a vague memory of reading that a man whose real name was
>: Sinatra opened a restaurant in San Francisco named "Sinatra's."
>: Of course, the black-hearted lawyers of Old Blue Eyes sued him
>: faster than you can say "Mafioso." I seem to remember that the
>: lawyers successfully forced Mr. Sinatra not to use his surname
>: on his business.
>
>I would suspect that this would not happen, unless there was already
>a restaurant in the state with the same name.
>
>Besides, if old cold eyes did not like it, he would just but the
>business and change the name himself.
In California, Ernest & Julio Gallo sued their brother Joseph for calling
his cheese Gallo Cheese. They won... Now he has to call it Joseph Gallo
Cheese. Of course, there is a logical tie in between Wine & Cheese.
Paul Tomblin
>wo...@eagle.sangamon.edu (Tom Wood) writes:
>: >
>: I have a vague memory of reading that a man whose real name was
>: Sinatra opened a restaurant in San Francisco named "Sinatra's."
>I would suspect that this would not happen, unless there was already
>a restaurant in the state with the same name.
The Canadian Olympic Committee is famous for threatening lawsuits, especially
in the years preceeding the Calgary Winter Olympics. They forced a man named
Olympus to change the name of his pizzaria from Olympic Pizza.
They threatened the Ontario Orienteering Federation because our "stick figure
running with a map" looked too much like their "stick figure running".
Theirs was designed for the Munich Olympics (1972 I think?) and our was
stolen from the logo of the World Orienteering Champs in Finland (1977?).
Anyway, we were fortunate that inspite of being a poor volunteer organization
with no money to fight them, we happened to have a lawyer on the National
Orienteering Team at the time, so he wrote an official "opinion" that they
didn't have a leg to stand on, and that we were going to fight, and they
backed down.
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bill nelson
: bi...@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
:
: >I would suspect that this would not happen, unless there was already
: >a restaurant in the state with the same name.
:
: The Canadian Olympic Committee is famous for threatening lawsuits, especially
: in the years preceeding the Calgary Winter Olympics. They forced a man named
: Olympus to change the name of his pizzaria from Olympic Pizza.
Threatening to sue, and winning in court are two different matters. For one
thing, the Olympic Committee does not hold any right to the word "Olympic".
They do hold rights to the linked rings symbol (after a fashion) and probably
to the phrase "Olympic Games".
I suspect the man changed the name, simply to avoid any hassle.
: They threatened the Ontario Orienteering Federation because our "stick figure
: running with a map" looked too much like their "stick figure running".
: Theirs was designed for the Munich Olympics (1972 I think?) and our was
: stolen from the logo of the World Orienteering Champs in Finland (1977?).
: Anyway, we were fortunate that inspite of being a poor volunteer organization
: with no money to fight them, we happened to have a lawyer on the National
: Orienteering Team at the time, so he wrote an official "opinion" that they
: didn't have a leg to stand on, and that we were going to fight, and they
: backed down.
Yep. That is what would happen in just about all such cases. They are generally
a lot of noise - simply throwing their weight around.
Bill
cask...@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
>In California, Ernest & Julio Gallo sued their brother Joseph for calling
>his cheese Gallo Cheese. They won... Now he has to call it Joseph Gallo
>Cheese. Of course, there is a logical tie in between Wine & Cheese.
A Chinese takeaway in Wellington a few years ago started calling itself
McWongs, using the famous (infamous?) golden arches inverted as its logo.
The response was swift and predictable: the legalese equivalent of "change
it now or suffer horribly at the hands of our tortur^H^H^H^H^H^Hlawyers".
The shop changed its sign to Mr Wongs, merely changing the "c" to an "r" and
not even bothering to put in a space, and modified the logo (the Golden
Buttocks?) slightly. It remained yellow, and you could see where the extra
tape had been stuck on, but it mollified the complainant. I'll have to check
out The Terrace and see if they're still there.
Steve "MC Donald S is not a rap artist" Caskey
Michael Moroney
>In California, Ernest & Julio Gallo sued their brother Joseph for calling
>his cheese Gallo Cheese. They won... Now he has to call it Joseph Gallo
>Cheese. Of course, there is a logical tie in between Wine & Cheese.
Another wine-related one: A winery in New York, Taylor Wines was bought out
by Coca Cola. One of the brothers who owned it refused to sell out, he
continued to sell his own wine "Bully Hill". But on the label he had
his signature above the line "master of the estate" or some such. But
Coca Cola didn't exactly care for this, and they sued him for using their
name, Taylor. He continued to put his signature on the wine bottles, except
the word Taylor is now a smudge.
My brother boycotted all Coke products for a while over this.
-Mike
Lee Rudolph
>They threatened the Ontario Orienteering Federation because our "stick figure
>running with a map" looked too much like their "stick figure running".
...
>Anyway, we were fortunate that inspite of being a poor volunteer organization
>with no money to fight them, we happened to have a lawyer on the National
>Orienteering Team at the time, so he wrote an official "opinion" that they
>didn't have a leg to stand on, and that we were going to fight, and they
>backed down.
Uh, isn't the "stick figure without a leg to stand on" the logo of the
Special Olympics?
ObPeeve: What the hell is *wrong* with athaletes pumping themselves full
of steroids, etc.? Granted that they then become unfair competition for
the random undrugged geek, why shouldn't there be a Drug-Enhanced
Olympics?
Lee "oh, limp! ick!" Rudolph
Alan J Rosenthal
>My brother boycotted all Coke products for a while over this.
ObUL: Boycotts are an individual action.
Richard N Kitchen
In a previous article, bi...@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) says:
>Threatening to sue, and winning in court are two different matters. For one
>thing, the Olympic Committee does not hold any right to the word "Olympic".
>They do hold rights to the linked rings symbol (after a fashion) and probably
>to the phrase "Olympic Games".
ObFact: Leuzinger High School in Lawndale, California is the only school
in the United States allowed to use the "Olympians" as their team name.
The school was founded in 1932, the year of the first Los Angeles
Olympics, and the US Olymnpic Committee authorized the school to use the
name.
ObFact2: A bar in San Francisco, which called itself "The Bar of
America" and used the same type script on its logo as the Bank of
America, was forced by a court to change its name.
Rick "I am not an Olympian" Kitchen
--
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"I have a rule against clients sticking their tongues down my throat."
--Dave Brodsky, "Black Tie Affair"
John Switzer
>
>ObFact2: A bar in San Francisco, which called itself "The Bar of
>America" and used the same type script on its logo as the Bank of
>America, was forced by a court to change its name.
And let's not forget that the legend of interactive gaming, Infocom, had to
change their newsletter's name from "The New Zork Times" to "The Status
Line" because a certain big city paper threatened to sue.
Michael Moroney
No, there were others who boycotted Coke for the same reason. They
were students of Cornell, which is in the area of the wineries. I
don't know of anyone not connected to the area who participated, so
it may be that Coke never noticed.
-Mike
Slidge
I am sitting here with a bottle of Bully Hill's wine Love My Goat, and
yes, the name is printed Walter S. XXXXXXX. Across the top of the bottle
is says "They have my name & heritage, but they didn't get my goat".
Elsewhere on the bottle it says "Our products produced by the workers",
"Never let anyone get your goat", and the infamous "WARNING: Even though
wine, which is a legal drug, has been used by humans for over 4,253
years, irresponsible use of this product could be harmful.
'Noah...proceeded to plant a vineyard (Genesis 9:20)' The artwork on our
labels is the creation of the Owner of Bully Hill who cannot use his name
or heritage on his lefe's work because of U.S. Federal Court decree".
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Alan J Rosenthal
>fl...@dgp.toronto.edu (Alan J Rosenthal) writes:
>>mor...@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) writes:
>>>My brother boycotted all Coke products for a while over this.
>>ObUL: Boycotts are an individual action.
>No, there were others who boycotted Coke for the same reason.
Ok, good to hear. One of my pet peeves (of which I have about five zillion) is
people who describe their refusal to buy something as a boycott when it's not.
If you don't want to patronize a company because of actions of theirs, I think
this is reasonable behaviour, but if you're not organizing others to do the
same, to dignify your actions by calling them a "boycott" is annoying.
Alan "easily annoyed, or had you realized that by now?" Rosenthal
Charles Lasner
Lee Rudolph <lrud...@black.clarku.edu> wrote:
>ObPeeve: What the hell is *wrong* with athaletes pumping themselves full
>of steroids, etc.? Granted that they then become unfair competition for
>the random undrugged geek, why shouldn't there be a Drug-Enhanced
>Olympics?
An SNL bit a few years back, in which the weight lifter tears his arms off
attempting to lift too-large weights, etc.
cj "two bloody stumps" l
Christopher Horymski
Following up two old hats. Oh the impunity of it all.
However, the limbless weight lifter reminded me about Lee's unanswered
query about his relative in one of the Banana wars. What I was able to
find:
1. Sandino's men did have a way with the machete. One technique
involved (squeamish hit n now)
cutting off the top of the prisoner's head, leaving the brain
exposed, causing the victim to convulse. In another, both arms
were lopped off, followed by a horizontal cut to the abdomen.
As for genitals being severed and shoved in the victim's mouth,
it seems that I've read this before, perhaps _The Naked and
the Dead_.
2. The support in Washington for intervention was lukewarm at best.
I haven't found anything specifically about shooting the unarmed,
or Horse Marines carrying two pistols, though the political
climate seemed right for it.
3. Nor I have read anything about jumping the last man on a patrol,
though this really seems swashbuckly to me.
Anyone else out there have infomation? Inquiring minds, etc.
Chris `not starting another Holy Grail thread' Horymski
Christopher Horymski ch...@columbia.edu
"Report all obscene mail to your potsmaster."
Derek Tearne
Are you any relation to Terry Wood? Only I had heard that all the Woods were
related in some way.
>Drew Lawson (law...@acuson.com) wrote:
>>
>> Does anybody have examples of businesses ordered by the court to change
>> their names?
>>
>I have a vague memory of reading that a man whose real name was
>Sinatra opened a restaurant in San Francisco named "Sinatra's."
There was a small shop in a New Zealand town which was called Harrods. I
think the people who owned it were in fact called Harrod. Anyway the sign
was written in a style rather reminiscent of that used by some london
department store owned by Arabs. The lawyers of the Arabs forced the small
shop to change their name. In protest at the attitude of the lawyers the
township reacted by changing the name of the town from Otorohanga to
'Harrodsville' and every shop in the town changed their name to include
the word Harrods.
This only lasted for a week but great amusement was had by all.
ObWoolworth: There is a chain store here called Woolworths which has no
relation to the worldwide woolworths chain. Apparently Woolworths never
thought it worthwhile to register their trade name here until too late and
then didn't bother to contest the name of the rival company.
Derek "And the stuff they sell is just as cheap and nasty" Tearne
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No no Boycott was an English cricket player (and might still be if
Yorkshire is that desparate)
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Antony Cooper
>ObWoolworth: There is a chain store here called Woolworths which has no
>relation to the worldwide woolworths chain. Apparently Woolworths never
>thought it worthwhile to register their trade name here until too late and
>then didn't bother to contest the name of the rival company.
There is also a chain of Woolworths stores here, that I suspect are not
part of Woolworth(s) chains elsewhere. Their holding company is listed
as Wooltru (Woolworths-Truworths) on the Johannesburg Stock Exchange.
>Derek "And the stuff they sell is just as cheap and nasty" Tearne
In fact, Woolworths are the quality chain in South Africa, and would appear
to have close ties to the British chain, Marks and Spencer, as they carry
some of their brands, such as St Michael.
Antony "wearing a Woolworths shirt as he posts this" Cooper
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>Joseph "Australia's Cricket team is better than everyone elses" Askew
Well, we will see what happens this summer! We beat Sri Lanka, so we
must be good ...
Antony
Jonathan Papai
>Joseph "Australia's Cricket team is better than everyone elses" Askew
Bah...Those stupid All-Blacks couldn't beat a group of Americans.
Jon "or Armenians" Papai
Don Dillon
Oh yeah???? how is your bobsled team, bucko!!!
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Derek Tearne
>Thus spake de...@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne):
>
>>ObWoolworth: There is a chain store here called Woolworths which has no
>>relation to the worldwide woolworths chain. Apparently Woolworths never
>>thought it worthwhile to register their trade name here until too late and
>>then didn't bother to contest the name of the rival company.
>
>There is also a chain of Woolworths stores here, that I suspect are not
>part of Woolworth(s) chains elsewhere. Their holding company is listed
>as Wooltru (Woolworths-Truworths) on the Johannesburg Stock Exchange.
>
>>Derek "And the stuff they sell is just as cheap and nasty" Tearne
>
>In fact, Woolworths are the quality chain in South Africa, and would appear
>to have close ties to the British chain, Marks and Spencer, as they carry
>some of their brands, such as St Michael.
I'd forgotten about that. I remember being more than a little puzzled
about seeing St Michael brand stuff in Woolworths. Mind you all the
non-South African companies who said they pulled out because of trade
sanctions only changed their names. It looks like some just swapped!
Derek "Pick 'N Pay, where inkopies means something to the locals" Tearne