The third variable.
Michael James Gebis
is the third? Is is sna -->sna foo bar, or is it toe -->toe foo bar? Is
it something else? Does anyone have any other creative variable names?
Mike Gebis m-g...@uiuc.edu
Jeff Weisberg
/* is the third? Is is sna -->sna foo bar, or is it toe -->toe foo bar? Is
No, it is "baz"
-jeff
Bob Weissman
>Alright....the first variable is foo, and the second variable is bar. What
>is the third? Is is sna -->sna foo bar, or is it toe -->toe foo bar? Is
>it something else? Does anyone have any other creative variable names?
It's "bletch".
I've always heard "foo, bar, bletch, and mumble".
So what's the FIFTH variable?
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Keith Lim
>Alright....the first variable is foo, and the second variable is bar. What
>is the third?
The third variable is "baz", and I read in some book that the fourth is
"quux." However, I do remember that one of the co-authors of said book had
the last name Quux, so....
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Arlie Davis
[... foo ... bar ...]
> It's "bletch".
> I've always heard "foo, bar, bletch, and mumble".
> So what's the FIFTH variable?
Wrong. The spectrum goes foo, bar, bang, eek (or "eek!" if your language
will allow the ! (most won't (sniff))), and THEN mumble.
The sixth variable could be "six".
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Dagwood Splits the Atom
>In <rw.716255281@donner> r...@donner.Rational.COM (Bob Weissman) writes:
>[... foo ... bar ...]
>will allow the ! (most won't (sniff))), and THEN mumble.
Hmmm, I'd always heard "foo, bar, baz, bang...".
I don't have any idea how I know that quux is pronounced gucks.
-dave
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Paul Tomblin
>Alright....the first variable is foo, and the second variable is bar. What
>is the third? Is is sna -->sna foo bar, or is it toe -->toe foo bar? Is
>it something else? Does anyone have any other creative variable names?
It's "fubar" of course. I always thought the hierarchy of meaningless
variables was:
foo
bar
fubar
baz
bletch
barf
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Jonathan R. Ferro
============ THIS IS THE JARGON FILE, VERSION 2.9.6, 16 AUG 1991 ============
(Sorry, don't have a more recent one online right now.)
bar: /bar/ n. 1. The second metasyntactic variable, after {foo}
and before {baz}. ...
barf: /barf/ ... {barf}
is sometimes also used as a metasyntactic variable, like {foo} or
{bar}.
baz: /baz/ [Stanford: corruption of {bar}] n. 1. The third
metasyntactic variable, after {foo} and {bar} and before
{quux} (or, occasionally, `qux'; or local idiosyncracies like
`rag', `zowie', etc.). ...
Commonwealth Hackish:: n. Hacker jargon as spoken outside
the U.S., esp. in the British Commonwealth. ... Preferred
metasyntactic variables include `eek', `ook',
`frodo', and `bilbo'; `wibble', `wobble', and
in emergencies `wubble'; `banana', `wombat',
`frog', {fish}, and so on and on (see {foo}, sense 4). ...
fish: [Adelaide University, Australia] n. 1. Another metasyntactic
variable. See {foo}. ...
flarp: /flarp/ [Rutgers University] n. Yet another metasyntactic
variable (see {foo}). Among those who use it, it is associated
with a legend that any program not containing the word `flarp'
somewhere will not work. The legend is discreetly silent on the
reliability of programs which *do* contain the magic word.
foo: /foo/ 1. interj. Term of disgust. 2. Used very generally
as a sample name for absolutely anything, esp. programs and files
(esp. scratch files). 3. First on the standard list of
metasyntactic variables used in syntax examples. See also
{bar}, {baz}, {qux}, {quux}, {corge}, {grault},
{garply}, {waldo}, {fred}, {plugh}, {xyzzy},
{thud}.
{foo} is the {canonical} example of a `metasyntactic
variable' --- a name used in examples and understood to stand for
whatever thing is under discussion, or any random member of a class
of things under discussion. To avoid confusion, hackers never use
`foo' or other words like it as permanent names for anything. In
filenames, a common convention is that any filename beginning
`foo' is a scratch file that may be deleted at any time.
The etymology of hackish `foo' is obscure. When used in
connection with `bar' it is generally traced to the WWII-era Army
slang acronym FUBAR (`Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition'), later
bowdlerized to {foobar}. (See also {FUBAR}).
However, the use of the word `foo' itself has more complicated
antecedents, including a long history in comic strips and cartoons.
The old "Smokey Stover" comic strips by Bill Holman often
included the word `FOO', in particular on license plates of cars;
allegedly, `FOO' and `BAR' also occurred in Walt Kelly's
"Pogo" strips. In the 1938 cartoon "Daffy Doc", a very
early version of Daffy Duck holds up a sign saying "SILENCE IS
FOO!"; oddly, this seems to refer to some approving or positive
affirmative use of foo. It is even possible that hacker usage
actually springs from `FOO, Lampoons and Parody', the title of
a comic book first issued in September 1958; the byline read
`C. Crumb' but this may well have been a sort-of pseudonym for
noted weird-comix artist Robert Crumb. The title FOO was featured
in large letters on the front cover.
An old-time member reports that in the 1959 `Dictionary of the
TMRC Language', compiled at {TMRC} there was an entry that went
something like this:
FOO: The first syllable of the sacred chant phrase "FOO MANE PADME
HUM." Our first obligation is to keep the foo counters turning.
For more about the legendary foo counters, see {TMRC}. Almost
the entire AI staff was involved with TMRC, so it is not clear
which group introduced the other to the word FOO.
Very probably, hackish `foo' had no single origin and derives
through all these channels from Yiddish `feh' and/or English
`fooey'.
foobar: n. Another common metasyntactic variable; see {foo}.
Hackers do *not* generally use this to mean {FUBAR} in
either the slang or jargon sense.
fred: n. 1. The personal name most frequently used as a
metasyntactic variable (see {foo}). Allegedly popular because
it's easy for a non-touch-typist to type on a standard QWERTY
keyboard. ...
gorp: /gorp/ [CMU: perhaps from the canonical hiker's food, Good
Old Raisins and Peanuts] Another metasyntactic variable, like
{foo} and {bar}.
mumble: ... 3. Yet another metasyntactic variable, like {foo}.
quux: /kwuhks/ Mythically, from the Latin semi-deponent verb
quuxo, quuxare, quuxandum iri; noun form variously `quux' (plural
`quuces', anglicized to `quuxes') and `quuxu' (genitive
plural is `quuxuum', for four u-letters out of seven in all,
using up all the `u' letters in Scrabble).] 1. Originally, a
metasyntactic variable like {foo} and {foobar}. Invented by
Guy Steele for precisely this purpose when he was young and na"ive
and not yet interacting with the real computing community. Many
people invent such words; this one seems simply to have been lucky
enough to have spread a little. In an eloquent display of poetic
justice, it has returned to the originator in the form of a
nickname. ...
qux: /kwuhks/ The fourth of the standard metasyntactic
variables, after {baz} and before the quu(u...)x series.
See {foo}, {bar}, {baz}, {quux}. This appears to be a
recent mutation from {quux}, and many versions of the
standard series just run {foo}, {bar}, {baz}, {quux},
....
Hope this helps!
--
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jf...@andrew.cmu.edu "We can hack it!"
SGNTR VRS VRSN 3.1B: Strppd nd cmprssd fr qckr trnsmssn! nfct yrs tdy!
Tim Pierce
>Does anyone have any other creative variable names?
I habitually use "treefrog," because I always thought "foobar" was
overdone. Unfortunately, it gets me into trouble using "tree" and
"frog" for other temporary names, because I often want to name my
*real* variables "tree!"
--
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Geoff Mccaughan
Around this part of the world it's "blarg" then "wibble".
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"Hi. You have just entered the fourth dimension. Small isn't it?"
Mike 'the Bard' Whitaker
only get a look in if the person concerned reads a.f.c or TNHD.
Round Cambridge University (you listening, Eric?) there's wombat. There is
also the metasyntactic *username* SPQR, which originated in the HELP file for
the EXAMINE command on the Computing Services IBM 370 (running a homegrown OS,
Phoenix, on top of MVT (later MVS)), syntax EXAMINE <username> for
looking at a user's filespace. One of its most common sightings was (still
is???) in the file JRP1.INFO.NEW, which contained spoofs of the CS's INFO.NEW
news file, along with WOMBAT (i think that may have appeared in a HELP file
or two as well), and the memorable compound SPQRWOMBAT.
The CS had a username policy of either LLnn, LLLn, or LLLL, where L were
letters (initials) and n were digits (nnn started at 100 and nn at 10) -
hence SPQR (nowadays this has changed to 5 characters (extra digit) since the
namespace got full (too many JSnn's)).
Another classic arising from CS HELP text was GROGGS. The HELP for HELP itself
used GROGGS as a metasyntactic software package, until some bright user (whose
name, I very much regret, totally escapes me) wrote a Bulletin board system
called GROGGS - the General-purpose Reverse Ordered Gossip Gathering System.
I dunno if it still exists - anyone out there know? Certainly it acquired its
own folklore and vocabulary.
Mike Whitaker - once mr...@phx.cam.ac.uk
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Charles Lasner
>mjg5...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael James Gebis) writes:
>>Alright....the first variable is foo, and the second variable is bar. What
>>is the third? Is is sna -->sna foo bar, or is it toe -->toe foo bar? Is
>>it something else? Does anyone have any other creative variable names?
>
>It's "bletch".
>
>I've always heard "foo, bar, bletch, and mumble".
Actually, it's fee, fie, fo, foo. And if you don't use foo, you have to
start all over again. (Now where did my golden eggs disappear to?)
cjl (Yes, I let him patch me :-))
Eric Smith
> Actually, it's fee, fie, fo, foo. And if you don't use foo, you have to
> start all over again. (Now where did my golden eggs disappear to?)
Wasn't that fee, fie, foe, foo? Sorry to nit-pick.
Eric
Charles Lasner
Yup, a typo!
Now where did I leave my orange smoke?
cjl
G.J. McCaughan
> Another classic arising from CS HELP text was GROGGS. The HELP for HELP itself
> used GROGGS as a metasyntactic software package, until some bright user (whose
> name, I very much regret, totally escapes me) wrote a Bulletin board system
> called GROGGS - the General-purpose Reverse Ordered Gossip Gathering System.
> I dunno if it still exists - anyone out there know? Certainly it acquired its
> own folklore and vocabulary.
GROGGS is alive and well, and I'm editing it. The original person was John Stark,
but his GROGGS package was not in fact the first command on Phoenix to be called
by that name, since Nick Maclaren (who now works for the Computing Service here)
wrote a "Generalised Rationaliser and Ontological Gnosis Generation System"
which accepted arbitrary questions, analysed them to find their inner meaning,
and returned an answer of 42 every time.
GROGGS still has plenty of jargon, of course.
--
Gareth McCaughan Dept. of Pure Mathematics & Mathematical Statistics,
gj...@cus.cam.ac.uk Cambridge University, England. [Research student]
Roger Binns
: Round here (Shape Data, Cambridge, England) it's zxc and fred - foo and bar
I make extensive use of fred. This has the unique property that all the keys
are next to each other in a square pattern and so can be typed quickly by a
non-typist.
I also resort to the name 'file' for any file names needed. Failing these, it
is a, then aa, and then aaa. I think I hit 5 a's once.
Roger
--
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"Is this stuff any good for ants? No, it kills them."
Paul Singleton
> I make extensive use of fred. This has the unique property that all the keys
> are next to each other in a square pattern and so can be typed quickly by a
> non-typist.
Not so: 'huyg' and 'huij' (Middle Dutch forenames, admittedly out of favour
since the 13th century) share your "unique" property :-)
I also dispute your reasoning about being quickly typable: my fingers much
prefer to type 'frde'.
Has anyone else noticed that a Sun 4/50 (SLC) keyboard registers keystrokes
not necessarily in the chronological order in which they were hit? I presume
this is because it is scanned relatively slowly.
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baz: /baz/ [Stanford: corruption of {bar}] n. 1. The third
metasyntactic variable, after {foo} and {bar} and before
{quux} (or, occasionally, `qux'; or local idiosyncracies like
`rag', `zowie', etc.). "Suppose we have three functions: FOO,
BAR, and BAZ. FOO calls BAR, which calls BAZ...."
2. interj. A term of mild annoyance. In this usage the term is
often drawn out for 2 or 3 seconds, producing an effect not unlike
the bleating of a sheep; /baaaaaaz/. 3. Occasionally appended to
{foo} to produce `foobaz'.
Don Stokes
> only get a look in if the person concerned reads a.f.c or TNHD.
Not fred, jim & sheila perchance?
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Network Manager, Computing Services Centre d...@vuw.ac.nz (work)
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Michael W. Gilbert
>[... foo ... bar ...]
>> It's "bletch".
>
>> I've always heard "foo, bar, bletch, and mumble".
>
>> So what's the FIFTH variable?
>
>Wrong. The spectrum goes foo, bar, bang, eek (or "eek!" if your language
>will allow the ! (most won't (sniff))), and THEN mumble.
>
>The sixth variable could be "six".
No, no, no.
There *is* no variable number 6.
>--
>lrwx------ 1 aldavi01 emacsstu 9 Jun 6 12:43 .signature -> /dev/null
Mike
Charles Lasner
>
>There *is* no variable number 6.
No, I am number 2, *you* are number 6.
cj "what we seek is *information*" l
Ernest Cline
las...@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
Well number 2 certainly is a variable, but number 6 is constant.
--
Ernest Cline "I am not a number, I am a free man!"
cl...@cs.scarolina.edu -- #6 --
Michael Parks Swaim
>No, I am number 2, *you* are number 6.
>
>cj "what we seek is *information*" l
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Larry Jones
> In article <1992Sep18.2...@newstand.syr.edu> mgil...@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Michael W. Gilbert) writes:
> >
> >There *is* no variable number 6.
>
> No, I am number 2, *you* are number 6.
I am not a number, I am a free(3C) man!
> cj "what we seek is *information*" l
You won't get it!
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Malcolm Shute
>Round here (Shape Data, Cambridge, England) it's zxc and fred - foo and bar
>only get a look in if the person concerned reads a.f.c or TNHD.
At Inmos, they always used to use 'xyzzy' as the flag/counter/whatever
that would signal an exit from a loop/procedure/package/etc.
If they needed a second such flag, then 'plugh' would be used.
One of them (are you listening Derek?) even named his daughter Xyzzy
(Pronounced Zizey)
--
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Charles Lasner
>
>--
>Ernest Cline "I am not a number, I am a free man!"
>cl...@cs.scarolina.edu -- #6 --
We'll send Rover after you, #6.
cj "They've given you a number, and taken 'way your name" l
Keith Thompson @pulsar
> > The sixth variable could be "six".
>
> No, no, no.
>
> There *is* no variable number 6.
I am not a number! I am a free variable!
--
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TeleSoft, 5959 Cornerstone Court West, San Diego, CA, 92121-9891
"Listen to me, people! We must stick them with quills -- it's the only way!"
Phil Hees
>Alright....the first variable is foo, and the second variable is bar. What
>is the third? Is is sna -->sna foo bar, or is it toe -->toe foo bar? Is
>it something else? Does anyone have any other creative variable names?
Around Stevens Tech a decade or so ago, the Sacred Order of the Names
was as follows:
foo
bar
baz
waldo
pepper
salt
pork
sausage
links
Chains
Bondage!
DISCIPLINE!!
Ahhhhhhhhhhh...
I doubt the ones at the end of the list saw much variable or filename
usage, but if you couldn't answer a verbal challenge of 'Foo!' with
the obligatory 'Bar!', and be prepared to run through the rest of the
list as well, you weren't a hacker. Also, it was important to build
up in intensity as you went through the list, until all parties
present joined in on the final "Ahhhhhhhhhhh..."
--
Phil Hees
he...@cubic.com
Andrew Bevin
>In article <1992Sep21.0...@news.columbia.edu>, las...@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
>> In article <1992Sep18.2...@newstand.syr.edu> mgil...@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Michael W. Gilbert) writes:
>> >
>> >There *is* no variable number 6.
>>
>> No, I am number 2, *you* are number 6.
>
>I am not a number, I am a free(3C) man!
>
>> cj "what we seek is *information*" l
>
>You won't get it!
By hook or by crook we will!
--
Andrew Bevin and...@icl.co.nz
SDC, Fujitsu New Zealand ## I do not speak for Fujitsu! ##
Auckland, New Zealand
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Eric Rescorla
>In article <20...@sdrc.COM> scj...@thor.sdrc.com (Larry Jones) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep21.0...@news.columbia.edu>, las...@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
>>> In article <1992Sep18.2...@newstand.syr.edu> mgil...@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Michael W. Gilbert) writes:
>>> >
>>> >There *is* no variable number 6.
>>>
>>> No, I am number 2, *you* are number 6.
>>
>>I am not a number, I am a free(3C) man!
>>
>>> cj "what we seek is *information*" l
>>
>>You won't get it!
>
>By hook or by crook we will!
-Ekr
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Former chemist now CM400 mechanic e...@eitech.com(preferred)
I will hack Unix for food.
Niels Ull Jacobsen
>In article <1992Sep22....@nezsdc.icl.co.nz> and...@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Andrew Bevin) writes:
>>In article <20...@sdrc.COM> scj...@thor.sdrc.com (Larry Jones) writes:
>>>In article <1992Sep21.0...@news.columbia.edu>, las...@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
>>>> In article <1992Sep18.2...@newstand.syr.edu> mgil...@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Michael W. Gilbert) writes:
>>>> >
>>>> >There *is* no variable number 6.
>>>>
>>>> No, I am number 2, *you* are number 6.
>>>
>>>I am not a number, I am a free(3C) man!
>>>
>>>> cj "what we seek is *information*" l
>>>
>>>You won't get it!
>>
>>By hook or by crook we will!
>Whois number NULL?
You called?
nu...@diku.dk (Niels Ull Jacobsen, Dep. of C.S., U of Copenhagen)
Adaz sighed. "So how long will this journey take?"
"A month?" Sutekh shrugged. "Depends on when the horses die."
-- from "Adaz & Sutekh" by Jeff Stehman
--
Niels Ull Jacobsen, Dep. of C.S., U of Copenhagen (nu...@diku.dk)
Adaz sighed. "So how long will this journey take?"
"A month?" Sutekh shrugged. "Depends on when the horses die."
-- from "Adaz & Sutekh" by Jeff Stehman
Sergej Roytman
In article <1992Sep23.1...@cs.yale.edu>, resc...@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
|In article <1992Sep22....@nezsdc.icl.co.nz> and...@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Andrew Bevin) writes:
|>In article <20...@sdrc.COM> scj...@thor.sdrc.com (Larry Jones) writes:
|>>In article <1992Sep21.0...@news.columbia.edu>, las...@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
|>>> In article <1992Sep18.2...@newstand.syr.edu> mgil...@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Michael W. Gilbert) writes:
|>>> >
|>>> >There *is* no variable number 6.
|>>>
|>>> No, I am number 2, *you* are number 6.
|>>
|>>I am not a number, I am a free(3C) man!
|>>
|>>> cj "what we seek is *information*" l
|>>
|>>You won't get it!
|>
|>By hook or by crook we will!
|Whois number NULL?
|-Ekr
/usr/No6
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Hall Moore
If I remember correctly, the Jargon File lists "foo, bar, and baz" as
the first three. More were listed, but I forget.
just my $0.02
Gisle Hannemyr
> If I remember correctly, the Jargon File lists "foo, bar, and baz" as
> the first three. More were listed, but I forget.
get "quux" accepted as the fourth metasyntactic variable, but it never
caught on outside CMU. In the US, some consider "bletch" as the 4th,
while in Scandinavia our own invention "gazonk" is the only acceptable
selection for #4. But but the first three has always been "foo", "bar"
and "baz" all over the world!
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Larry Smith
>foo
>bar
"grill" - you forgot "grill"! I thought _everyone_ has heard of the
Foo Bar and Grill.
>fubar
>baz
>bletch
>barf
Larry Smith (sm...@ctron.com) No, I don't speak for Cabletron. Need you ask?
-
How about we all do something reasonable? I bet that'll confuse 'em!
koos van den hout
>>Whois number NULL?
>
>You called?
>
> nu...@diku.dk (Niels Ull Jacobsen, Dep. of C.S., U of Copenhagen)
Ah, now I know the person behind 'segment violation - core dumped' everytime
I try to follow a null pointer.
Grtx. KH
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The NULL device
> In article <1992Sep22....@nezsdc.icl.co.nz> and...@nezsdc.icl.co.nz
> >>In article <1992Sep21.0...@news.columbia.edu>, las...@watsun.cc.col
> >>> >
> >>> >There *is* no variable number 6.
> >>>
> >>> No, I am number 2, *you* are number 6.
> >>
> >>I am not a number, I am a free(3C) man!
> >>
> >>> cj "what we seek is *information*" l
> >>
> >>You won't get it!
> >
> >By hook or by crook we will!
> Whois number NULL?
I am the only true dev-null. There are no others. There can be no others.
All bits that go to the bit-bucket are my possession. Not only are they my
possession, but they are quite TASTY.... I want your dead bits!
dev-...@lorc.UUCP
Michael Yokoyama
>mjg5...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael James Gebis) writes:
>>Alright....the first variable is foo, and the second variable is bar. What
>>is the third? Is is sna -->sna foo bar, or is it toe -->toe foo bar? Is
>>it something else? Does anyone have any other creative variable names?
>
>Around Stevens Tech a decade or so ago, the Sacred Order of the Names
>was as follows:
>
>foo
> bar
> baz
> waldo
I thought the third one was 'blech'. At least that's how it was in the C
language manuals I edited when I was consulting for ASCII Corporation in
Tokyo back in 1985.
By the way I think 'foo' might mean regurgitation or something like that.
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Michael Breen
I was told foo bar came from fubar which is armed-forces talk for
fuc*ed up beyond all repair.
Now wonder we use it as a standard variable for naming our code.
Michael Breen
InfoPath programmer
UCSD
Michael Breen
OK I BOUGHT STUFF AT RADIO SHACK, ALRIGHT?
I'VE GOT A DEGREE IN EE AND I STILL WENT THERE, OK?
Point is: I have been saved many a time by a Radio Shack part.
If you've got the time to visit a *real* store for *real* connectors
and electronic do-whatevers, then fine.
But if all you need is basic parts, or connectors, or the like, then
RS can save yer butt!
Most of my 'saves' involved weekend gigs performing with or running sound
for a band, and needing the simplest stuff like fuses, solder, resistors,
connectors, etc. Many a show would have been hosed but for humble lame
RS.
I feel so much better.
Michael Breen
singing and philosophizing
(and, yes, I use Switchcraft when I've got time to get it)
William Kucharski
mbr...@sdacs.ucsd.edu (Michael Breen) said the following:
>But if all you need is basic parts, or connectors, or the like, then
>RS can save yer butt!
Save yer butt -- hell, if you live anywhere but the Bay Area and need chips/
LEDs/resistors/capacitors/miscellaneous parts where else CAN you get them
without using a catalog with a $20 or so minimum order?
On the other hand if you DO live in the SFO Bay Area, I guess there's only one
word I need to say: Fry's. (Hot dogs (sometimes), chips (potato and CMOS),
soda, books, and Playboy/Penthouse. If they were open 24 hours some folks I
knew would have moved in... :-) :-) )
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Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879
by kuch...@solbourne.com (William Kucharski):
>
> Save yer butt -- hell, if you live anywhere but the Bay Area and need chips/
> LEDs/resistors/capacitors/miscellaneous parts where else CAN you get them
> without using a catalog with a $20 or so minimum order?
Um, here in Iowa City, we have two places that compete with Radio
Shack, one consumer oriented, and one with a far larger inventory
that's oriented towards supplying the needs of the various
electronics and computer repair shops in the area. A 20 minute
drive takes you to Cedar Rapids (a far bigger town) where you can
get an even bigger selection.
Radio Shack's in the mall right across the street from my office,
but if I want a 24 gauge wire wrap tool to fix my antique PDP-8,
Radio Shack wouldn't even know what it was; the other retail place
is two blocks away (oh the pain!) but I can get the 24 gauge tool
there, and they have a far better selection of TTL and LSTTL chips,
at roughly half Radio Shack's prices.
Of course, Radio Shack is open Saturday and Sunday, and there are
times when that's what matters.
Doug Jones
jo...@cs.uiowa.edu
CP/M lives!
> From article <Bw7H5...@solbourne.com>,
> by kuch...@solbourne.com (William Kucharski):
>>
>> Save yer butt -- hell, if you live anywhere but the Bay Area and need chips/
>> LEDs/resistors/capacitors/miscellaneous parts where else CAN you get them
>> without using a catalog with a $20 or so minimum order?
Except they never seem to have what I'm looking for (yes, I'm sure that
4000 series CMOS flip-flop will work just fine next to my F logic)...
>
> Um, here in Iowa City, we have two places that compete with Radio
> Shack, one consumer oriented, and one with a far larger inventory
> that's oriented towards supplying the needs of the various
> electronics and computer repair shops in the area. A 20 minute
> drive takes you to Cedar Rapids (a far bigger town) where you can
> get an even bigger selection.
Yes, well here in Utah, there's nowhere in the _state_ that does a good
job. Even the Heathkit center in Salt Lake doesn't carry jellybeans
anymore. Sigh.
Roger Ivie
iv...@cc.usu.edu
CP/M lives!
> In article <1992Oct16.1...@news.uiowa.edu>, jo...@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879) writes:
>> From article <Bw7H5...@solbourne.com>,
>> by kuch...@solbourne.com (William Kucharski):
>>>
>>> Save yer butt -- hell, if you live anywhere but the Bay Area and need chips/
>>> LEDs/resistors/capacitors/miscellaneous parts where else CAN you get them
>>> without using a catalog with a $20 or so minimum order?
>
> Except they never seem to have what I'm looking for (yes, I'm sure that
> 4000 series CMOS flip-flop will work just fine next to my F logic)...
I can't believe I forgot to relate my favorite Radio Shack horror story,
which kind of sums up my experience with them.
Back in 1980, I bought and built a Heathkit microprocessor trainer (it
was the short-lived cheap version on the cardboard box; I've got serial
number 8) and decided that it needed more memory. Off to Radio Shack, but
they don't have what I need. No problem, they say, we'll order it for you.
So I had them special-order me 2 2114 1Kx4 RAMs.
Six months later, _one_ of them shows up. Useful, really useful. The guy
didn't quite grasp why I didn't want to buy it until the other one arrived.
It never did.
Roger Ivie
iv...@cc.usu.edu
Dan Brockman
>In article <1992Sep21.1...@cubic.com> he...@cubic.com (Phil Hees) writes:
>>mjg5...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael James Gebis) writes:
>>
>>foo
>> bar
>> baz
>> waldo
>
>I thought the third one was 'blech'. At least that's how it was in the C
>
foo and bar and `foobar` rolled forth from DEC, I believe. I know they were used in
examples included in PDP-10 manuals I used in 1976. But before that...
an old military acronym FUBAR (fucked !er-=-scuse me... fouled up beyond
all recognition) was I speculate coined by USArmy in Europe during WW2.
A comic strip 'Smokey Stover', 40's and 50's era I think, made frequent use
of the term 'Foo'.
Around this shop, `bozo` gets a lot of use, also
`bogus` and the suffix `-wad`, as in `bozowad` and `boguswad`.
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Richard Kaszeta
>I can't believe I forgot to relate my favorite Radio Shack horror story,
>which kind of sums up my experience with them.
>Back in 1980, I bought and built a Heathkit microprocessor trainer (it
>was the short-lived cheap version on the cardboard box; I've got serial
>number 8) and decided that it needed more memory. Off to Radio Shack, but
>they don't have what I need. No problem, they say, we'll order it for you.
>So I had them special-order me 2 2114 1Kx4 RAMs.
>Six months later, _one_ of them shows up. Useful, really useful. The guy
>didn't quite grasp why I didn't want to buy it until the other one arrived.
>It never did.
Makes me glad that most of the time that I need to buy electronics, I
get them from Circuit Specialists in Mesa AZ (being an AZ resident 50%
of the time). Much better than Radio Shock, and I don't have to show them
a picture in the catalog.
BTW, one good way to get a laugh is to ask a RS salesman how a CD player
works....
CP/M lives!
>
> BTW, one good way to get a laugh is to ask a RS salesman how a CD player
> works....
Not nearly as much fun as listening to someone trying to sell those anti-
vibration plastic thingies that go around the outside of a CD. Or explaining
that you can save money by just spraying your CDs with Armorall rather than
buying the anti-vibration thingies (so the vibrations don't make it out
to the speakers, you see...).
Roger Ivie
iv...@cc.usu.edu
Peter da Silva
> Not nearly as much fun as listening to someone trying to sell those anti-
> vibration plastic thingies that go around the outside of a CD. Or explaining
> that you can save money by just spraying your CDs with Armorall rather than
> buying the anti-vibration thingies (so the vibrations don't make it out
> to the speakers, you see...).
No, no, no, you're supposed to color the edge of the CD with a green marker...
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'U`
Dette kan umulig vaere mitt rom, eftersom jeg ikke puster ammoniakk.
Larry Smith
>In article <1992Sep21.1...@cubic.com> he...@cubic.com (Phil Hees) writes:
>>foo
>> bar
>> baz
>> waldo
>I thought the third one was 'blech'.
No, no, no, you've got it _all_ wrong. It goes, FOO, BAR and GRILL. THEN
it goes, baz, zork, waldo and roddenberry. :)
FUBAR was the original word, from the military it meant, F*cked Up Beyond
All Recovery. It was a standard nonsense word, adopted by some of the military
men who went to DEC, whose RAD50 notation packed *6* characters in two 16-bit
words, hence FOOBAR to use up all characters.
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