THE REAL GERRY ARMSTRONG (repost)
Warrior
From: Warrior
Subject: Re: THE REAL GERRY ARMSTRONG
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology, nl.scientology
Date: 2002-03-26
Gerry Armstrong is a kind, loving individual, who, as Tory says,
got hard proof of the truth about L Ron Hubbard. For having been
in a position to discover the real truth about Hubbard, and for
having the courage to disseminate it so that others may be spared
from Scientology's ruthless practice of fair game, Gerry has been
the target of Scientology's hatred for more than 20 years.
God Bless Gerry Armstrong. May he persevere.
See The Gerry Armstrong Chronicle at http://armstrong.xenu.ca/
Warrior - Sunshine disinfects
http://warrior.offlines.org
In article <3ca0...@news2.lightlink.com>, "Magoo" says...
>
>Having been "in" The C of S for 30 years I remember well the
>hatred spread so viciously about Gerry Armstrong. He truly (within C of
>S....and out, but for diff reasons :) is an entity of his own. They
>not only dislike Gerry Armstrong...they HATE him.
>
>What you write is just a taste of what is ~constantly~ pumped about him...
>or at least was to me, having volunteered for OSA on and off for 20 years.
>I truly thought he was all this man says, and much worse.
>
>It was not until I got out and realized the REAL reason they hate him
>sooooooo much, that it all began to fall into place. Gerry Armstrong was one
>of, if not the one person who had (and has) the actual EVIDENCE...written by
>Hubbard, that he is a complete liar, phony, and embellisher Extraordinaire.
>
>As Hubbard states: when someone is "nattering" (saying critical things) of
>another, it is solid proof they have done WAY worse. Your words are proof of
>your own ~seeekret~ actions, dearie.
>
>Gerry Armstrong has one thing you [Garry Scarff] do not:
>the guts to make a difference. Your childish rants only show how
>fearful this group is of him. Thanks for the confirmation.
>
>Tory/Magoo!
Garry
> From: Warrior
Well, let's see...Warrior speaketh on April 10, 2002:
From: Warrior (war...@entheta.net)
Subject: Re: GERRY ARMSTRONG: YOU OWE BEVERLY AN APOLOGY
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2002-04-10 19:35:22 PST
Garry Scarff is full of BS. Despite his attempt to make it appear to
be
the case, Gerry Armstrong never made any covert or cruel remarks to
Beverly.
Therefore, no apology is needed from Gerry.
CL and Garry Scarff should be the ones apologizing.
Only sickos like CL and Garry Scarff would try to make this innocuous
comment from Gerry into something it is not, was not, and never was
intended to be.
Here's what Beverly said:
"Again, the most important thing is to bring ~ALL~ the heads of the
Hydra
in the open, and that way one knows what they are dealing with."
Here's Gerry Armstrong's post in its entirety. Note that Gerry was
responding to Beverly's statement regarding "heads of the Hydra", as
in the Hydra known as *Scientology*. The discussion was about the
cult.
CL and Garry are obviously mentally deficient to even try to spin this
into something else. Not to mention the fact that they have other
motives for trying to chop Gerry down.
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This was followed by reknowned Gerry-suck-up & apologist,
Tory/Magoo....
From: Magoo (mag...@worldnet.att.net)
Subject: Re: GERRY ARMSTRONG: YOU OWE BEVERLY AN APOLOGY
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2002-04-11 01:36:11 PST
STOP IT>>>>>
this sick kind of *crap* needs to stop.
Honestly folks....there is a person here with much deeper feelings to
deal
with than any of this insensitive trashing.
Garry....just as Warrior has said, you did far worse to Beverly years
ago...so just stop all of this. It is sick, not nice, and only hurts
someone
who is a very kind girl, that both Gerry, Warrior, and I love...that
being
Beverly.
Enough.
Tory/Magoo~
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And then this was followed by Beverly Rice herself who blasts
Warrior's and Tory's contentions to smithereens and shows THE REAL
GERRY ARMSTRONG:
From: Beverly Rice (dbj...@mpinet.net)
Subject: Re: CLamelon Challenge No. 3 (or is that 4?)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2002-04-14 18:53:33 PST
Gerry Armstrong wrote:
> Beverly Rice <dbj...@mpinet.net> wrote:
> >Gerry Armstrong wrote:
> >> Oh, and don't go shooting at the heads
> >Wow, and you have the nerve to accuse others of "cruel"
> >communication.
> >That was very ~covert~ of you, and ~very~ cruel.
> >You have just demonstrated once and for all to me just how
> >low you will go when you are taken off your pedestal.
> How about if I didn't do whatever you say I did?
But you did.
Don't play any of your little mind games with me anymore,
I know better because I know you.
However, all you write is a good attempt for the benefit of
others on the NG to CYA.
I don't forget that you were Intel, and that you were the
one that Hubbard relied on to straighten out "shore flaps"
or "make things go right."
You are very good with your sleight of hand, deflection and
smooth tongued blather.
> I saw what you posted here, and saw that you were attacking me, but
Oh god, poor Gerry, always seeing "attacks" when being
called on the carpet.
I wasn't "attacking" you, I was directly addressing what
you said.
> didn't make the connection you made until an hour or two later. I
> mention that to show how disconnected I was from the connection you
> are making.
The only thing you are disconnected from is any reality
that you don't want to see or that isn't beneficial for
you.
Snip to Gerry's creation of a good shore story to correct
a shore flap.
> When I thought of "heads" it was in response to your image of chopping
> off Scientology's heads. And my comment about being shot in the head
> was because you had been, as I said, sniping at me,
Oh, boo hoo. I disagree with you on certain issues, and I'm
tired of you making every issue into an issue about your
"persecution". I addressed you the same way I have others
I think are FOS.
You actually used to ~like~ that same tone of my posts
when they were for ~your~ benefit, you said you admired
my directness.
And BTW, you have never anywhere even come close
to using that expression before, no matter what excuse you
create now for using it.
> when I had been
> doing exactly what you thought was so important to do. What you
> likened to getting the Scientology heads on the block.
No, you weren't, you continue to turn CST threads into
attention that they are ops against you, and have not addressed
questions that have been put to you. You make an issue that
others should answer your questions, but aren't willing to
do the same yourself.
> Not for one second before or after writing what I wrote did I connect
> it to Dave's death, and I do not now.
Liar, but I know that you do, after all, have your reputation
of being "humble" to protect.
You know from the many talks we have had, and the many
times I have broken down and cried with you, the effect
of seeing anything talking about anything to do with
"shooting" at "heads" has at tearing me apart.
You know, because I shared this with you so many times,
and also shared with you for years about the special
therapy I was getting for the trauma of my husbands
suicide, and the picture that was burned in to my mind
of him after shooting himself in the head with all the
blood and other horrible visual memories around it . . .
not even to mention the talks we had about the mental
and emotional impact and devastation it had on me.
Don't even try to play innocent with me here on this one,
although I know your replay is more for the NG than for
me, because we both know that was an intentional, added,
low blow from you
I know full well the mind games that you play, but hey,
I was the one that allowed it. No more.
> I am truly sorry that you made
> such a connection yourself, and that others are using this connection
> that never existed for their own black PR purposes.
No, you are truly sorry that you got busted and that I
called you on the carpet openly.
The hell with others black PR purps, black PR on ars is
like breathing air, it's unavoidable. I don't let it
dictate my life anymore, had enough of it, and learned
that you just have to let it fall off your back.
However, it is so typically Very Gerry for you to use
what others may do to again deflect from your own
cruelty.
> Can you therefore forgive me for what never happened?
This has nothing to do with forgiveness.
And don't try to deflect away what you did by implying
that it never happened. I'm all too familiar with your
playing on words to get sucked up in to that anymore.
Gerry blather follows:
> And that is why forgiveness works at all. Because that which is
> forgiven didn't happen, and that which needs to be forgiven didn't
> happen.
>
> If you can forgive me for this thing which never happened, perhaps you
> can forgive me for the other things which didn't happen. Knowing what
> really happened, it can only be misinterpretations of what happened
> (which misinterpretations would be things which never happened), for
> which you can't forgive me. That's why forgiveness works.
No, that's the way your holier-than-thou bullshit works.
All this "it never really happened" crap you continually
spew forth is merely a self-contrived out you have constructed
for your own self for when you hurt others or need to
avoid responsibility.
You sure don't apply it when you refer to what you claim
others have done to you, you keep hold of that stuff. Plus
you even have written to others that you expect or want
apologies. Hypocrite.
> In any event, as I said, at no time did I connect it to Dave's tragic
> death, and I do not now.
Liar, see above.
I'm tired of you playing things off as either being ignorant,
innocent, unintentional, other peoples "misinterpretations",
or just joking.
You don't get it, it doesn't work anymore.
Beverly
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And it should be duly noted that after Beverly had her say, not a peep
was heard from the embarassed and humiliated souls of Warrior or
Magoo....
Gerry Armstrong
Just to set the record straight about what follows, Beverly Rice
completely misinterpreted something I wrote back in April this year,
took it in a personal way that was unrelated to the way it was
intended, made a connection which didn't exist, and used it as a
certainty from which to attack me.
I don't know if she has come to realize that she was wrong in the
conclusion she reached that I intended what she thought I intended,
when I intended no such thing.
Garry Scarff is simply preying on Beverly's mistaken belief and
consequent baseless attack on me, as both he and the CL Op did back in
April, to further hurt Beverly and me, and maybe get Beverly to again
attack me.
Regarding Scarff's claim at the end of this post that Warrior and Tory
did not respond "after Beverly had her say," because they were
"embarassed and humiliated," of course they know why they didn't
respond if they didn't, and can adequately defend themselves from
Scarff's attacks. But in my opinion they didn't respond because they
are decent people who did not want to cause Beverly any more upset,
and they knew that I could adequately defend myself from Scarff's
attacks.
Gerry
© Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
Warrior
>
>And it should be duly noted that after Beverly had her say, not
>a peep was heard from the embarassed and humiliated souls of Warrior
>or Magoo....
I wasn't embarassed [sic] or humiliated. I believed Gerry Armstrong
then, and I believe him now. I posted my response to your evil back
then in April, and I had no desire to engage in a flame war over your
certain-to-follow endless blather.
I understood and believe Gerry's response regarding the "heads of the
Hydra", as in the Hydra known as Scientology, because the discussion
was about the cult.
Regarding your insane, baseless and totally devoid blather of a question
worthy of response, as in your February 28, 2002 post in which you asked
me, "Hey, Mark, still downloading all that child pornography?" (an act I
have never in my life done), much of your drivel is best left unanswered
since it is not an honest attempt at dialog.
With regards to your post back in April, I felt at that time that it
was best to refrain from commenting further on your insane attack on
Gerry, out of respect for Bev, who is a friend of mine. I am aware of
her personal tragedy regarding the suicide of her husband, and it was
not my wish to contribute to her emotional pain being flamed by you,
during your attack on Gerry in which you attempted to spin his words
into a thing they never were and never were intended to be.
To my previous statement of April 10, 2002 I would add that I admit to
being perplexed over Garry Scarff's motivation for his renowned hatred
of Gerry.
I stand by my words of April 10, 2002, which were:
=== begin my April 10, 2002 post ===
From: Warrior (war...@entheta.net)
Subject: Re: GERRY ARMSTRONG: YOU OWE BEVERLY AN APOLOGY
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2002-04-10 19:35:22 PST
Garry Scarff is full of BS. Despite his attempt to make it appear to
be the case, Gerry Armstrong never made any covert or cruel remarks to
Beverly.
Therefore, no apology is needed from Gerry.
CL and Garry Scarff should be the ones apologizing.
Only sickos like CL and Garry Scarff would try to make this innocuous
comment from Gerry into something it is not, was not, and never was
intended to be.
Here's what Beverly said:
"Again, the most important thing is to bring ~ALL~ the heads of the
Hydra in the open, and that way one knows what they are dealing with."
Here's Gerry Armstrong's post in its entirety. Note that Gerry was
responding to Beverly's statement regarding "heads of the Hydra", as
in the Hydra known as *Scientology*. The discussion was about the
cult.
CL and Garry are obviously mentally deficient to even try to spin this
into something else. Not to mention the fact that they have other
motives for trying to chop Gerry down.
Warrior - Sunshine disinfects
http://warrior.offlines.org
From: Gerry Armstrong <gerryar...@telus.net>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: CLamelon Challenge No. 3 (or is that 4?)
Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 09:02:44 -0700
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On Sat, 06 Apr 2002 22:46:16 -0500, Beverly Rice <dbj...@mpinet.net>
wrote:
>Ed wrote:
>>
>> Beverly Rice wrote:
>> >
>> > Gerry Armstrong wrote:
>> >
>> > > I believe, and have not been argued out of this belief in over four
>> > > years, that CL says what he says about me, and a bit of everything
>> > > else come to think of it, for the purpose of creating the illusion
>> > > that there is some group different from Scientology which hates me.
>> >
>> > Oh for Petes sake . . .
>> >
>> > it ~always~ has to be about ~you~!!!
>> >
>> > I could give a rats ass about the agendas of CL or you.
>> >
>> > The fact that is of interest is that the awareness of
>> > CST has been brought to light . . .
>> >
>> > and the only real relevance is that the next time
>> > RTC decides to bring a lawsuit against anybody for
>> > copyright or any other infringement that the party
>> > involved be aware of every entity the Hydra known
>> > as the Co$ has so they can have the opportunity to
>> > set ~all~ the heads of the Hydra on the chopping
>> > block, that is the only way to reach the "heart"
>> > of the matter.
>> >
>> > Again, the relevance is that it is not about CL,
>> > and it is not about you.
>> >
>> > All that shite is Dev-T gaming and positioning.
>> >
>> > Get out of the mind set that everything is always
>> > a DM plot about you, and that you are the center
>> > of that universe.
>> >
>> > The Co$ needs ~all~ of its corporate bodies that
>> > it has exposed, and how all of these come in to
>> > play, so a complete overview can be seen, this is
>> > to the advantage of all, and CST happens to be
>> > one of those corporate bodies.
>> >
>> > The rest of the silliness you all can play out
>> > amongst yourselves.
>> >
>> > ARC = As-Ising the CST, Co$, and all Corporate
>> > Bodies involved in the fraud, lies, deception,
>> > abuse, intimidation and criminal actions of
>> > this farce of a religion,
>> >
>> > Beverly
>>
>> I've observed how CL has cozied up to you in the last year, Bev,
>> probably because you were a close friend of their #1 enemy Gerry. I
>> hope to God that "ptsc" and Kady will not be lured into his arms. Both
>> have been acting like shills for CL lately in the recent CST
>> arguments.
>>
>
>I don't control how anybody here posts . . .
Good.
>
>if they play up a person or not is not in my control,
>and I am not going to think or post according to how
>others might perceive things from their uninformed
>view.
How about their "informed virew," would that cause you to think?
>
>I am was ~NOT~ locked in to the Co$ mindset that has
>stuck with so many since they have gotten physically
>out of the Co$, but not mentally or emotionally . . .
Oh don't be silly. What do you care about other people's "mindsets?"
Especially nonexisting "mindsets?" You've invented these "mindsets"
and these "locked ins" and this being in the cult "mentally or
emotionally," just as a basis to attack people who actually do not
have these things you're invented. Why are you doing this?
>
>to me it is not an ~either or~ type of deal.
Good. Then don't attach your either/or equations to other things that
also are not equations.
>
>To me it is lets get the facts out about the Co$ and
>screw getting locked in to the personalties of ars
>deal.
Yes, why are you doing that? Who or what is locked into personalities?
Isn't that an invention?
>
>You should know me a lot better than that.
Why is that?
>
>When you appeard at CW and everyone was in their
>typical paranoid "who is ~that~ guy" valence, I
>walked right up to you and introduced myself, and
>then introduced you around.
Everyone? That is a hell of a lot of wogs (R) to lock into that
particular personality trait. Paranoid? Are you certain that everyone
was in their typical paranoid valence? That's a lot of people to stick
in that eval box. Are you certain your evaluations and diagnosis are
correct?
>
>I figured you knew me better than that, but that's
>okay, I understand.
>
>Again, the most important thing is to bring ~ALL~
>the heads of the Hydra in the open, and that way
>one knows what they are dealing with.
Well certainly this is important. But you're implying it hasn't been
done. So you must know some hydra heads which have not been brought in
the open. Who are these folks?
Oh, and don't go shooting at the heads of the people trying to do what
you think is this most important thing to do.
(c) Gerry Armstrong
>
>ARC = As-Ising the Real CST,
>
>Beverly
=== end of April 10, 2002 post ===
roger gonnet
"Warrior" <war...@xenu.ca> a écrit dans le message de news:
ar0rs...@drn.newsguy.com...
>
>
> From: Warrior
> Subject: Re: THE REAL GERRY ARMSTRONG
> Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology, nl.scientology
> Date: 2002-03-26
>
>
> Gerry Armstrong is a kind, loving individual, who, as Tory says,
> got hard proof of the truth about L Ron Hubbard. For having been
> in a position to discover the real truth about Hubbard, and for
> having the courage to disseminate it so that others may be spared
> from Scientology's ruthless practice of fair game, Gerry has been
> the target of Scientology's hatred for more than 20 years.
>
> God Bless Gerry Armstrong. May he persevere.
Indeed, Gerry is a great guy. And Caroline seems to fit :-))
roger
Warrior
>>>
>>>Garry....just as Warrior has said, you did far worse to Beverly years
>>>ago...so just stop all of this. It is sick, not nice, and only hurts
>>>someone who is a very kind girl, that both Gerry, Warrior, and I love...
>>>that being Beverly.
>>>
>>>Enough.
>>>
>>>Tory/Magoo~
>On 14 Nov 2002 23:00:16 -0800, Garry Scarff (ffr...@hotmail.com) wrote:
>>
>>And it should be duly noted that after Beverly had her say, not a peep
>>was heard from the embarassed [sic] and humiliated souls of Warrior or
>>Magoo....
In article <n5a9tu839r67qsf2m...@4ax.com>, Gerry Armstrong
wrote:
>
>Regarding Scarff's claim [...] that Warrior and Tory did not respond
>"after Beverly had her say," because they were "embarassed [sic] and
>humiliated," of course they know why they didn't respond if they didn't,
>and can adequately defend themselves from Scarff's attacks. But in my
>opinion they didn't respond because they are decent people who did not
>want to cause Beverly any more upset, and they knew that I could adequately
>defend myself from Scarff's attacks.
>
>© Gerry Armstrong
>http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
You are absolutely correct in your opinion that my lack of response
was because I did not wish to cause Beverly any more upset. I just
finished posting a separate response to Garry's latest drivel.
Gandalf
news:n5a9tu839r67qsf2m...@4ax.com...
> On 14 Nov 2002 23:00:16 -0800, ffr...@hotmail.com (Garry) wrote:
<snip the rest of this garbage>
Garry & Gerry,
Please never toy with the pain that Beverly might be feeling to prove your
own points on a FUCKING newsgroup.
How sick can you bastards be?
Anyone who has even an ounce of decency realizes this isn't something to be
tossed around lightly. Especially not to preserve your own egos.
You SICK FUCKS.
It's all about YOU, isn't it?
Garry, did you get enough attention yet?
Gerry, did you get enough attention yet?
FUCK anybody else! What's important is did each of YOU get ENOUGH ATTENTION
YET? I WANT TO KNOW.
You SICK FUCKS.
CONGRAT-U-FUCKING-LATIONS,
Gandalf
P.S.: I know Beverly needs no one to defend her, but your mutual posts are
just beyond the pale...
P.P.S.: I can't prove it, but I think there's a special place in hell for
people like you.
Gerry Armstrong
wrote:
Whoa, go PsychCLops! Don't let that one eye offend you.
But you missed an opportunity to call Warrior a few evil capitalized
names.
You are one caring whizzard.
© Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
Gandalf
Hey Gerry,
That was just the start of how self-centered and self-serving you come
across. Don't tempt me.
BTW, I have a weird test for you to perform. It's really funky: Next time
you post something, ask this question:
(1) Did that help someone else directly?
(2) Did that help you directly?
(3) Did that help you directly and might vaguely, kind of help someone else?
Don't give me this God-directed bullshit. It makes a mockery of people who
have genuine spiritual beliefs.
Gandalf
>
> © Gerry Armstrong
> http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
Gerry Armstrong
wrote:
No, go for it. Consider yourself tempted.
>
>BTW, I have a weird test for you to perform. It's really funky: Next time
>you post something, ask this question:
>
>(1) Did that help someone else directly?
>
>(2) Did that help you directly?
>
>(3) Did that help you directly and might vaguely, kind of help someone else?
Why don't you dummy run for us how you would apply this "tech" to your
disgusting attack on me here?
You really are one deeply caring whizzard.
>
>Don't give me this God-directed bullshit. It makes a mockery of people who
>have genuine spiritual beliefs.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. You ops and your genuine spiritual beliefs.
But isn't your CLutch slipping?
Really, who or what are you still trying to kid? LFBD
>
>Gandalf
>
>>
>> © Gerry Armstrong
>> http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
>
© Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
Gandalf
Umm, how about every f**king post you make it all about you? How about that?
In fact, I state it unilaterally. Dead Agent me. Show me to be stupid. Show
me your Intel Tech.
Show me even a few posts out of the many you've made that aren't 90% all
about you, Gerry?
> >
> >BTW, I have a weird test for you to perform. It's really funky: Next time
> >you post something, ask this question:
> >
> >(1) Did that help someone else directly?
> >
> >(2) Did that help you directly?
> >
> >(3) Did that help you directly and might vaguely, kind of help someone
else?
>
> Why don't you dummy run for us how you would apply this "tech" to your
> disgusting attack on me here?
>
> You really are one deeply caring whizzard.
My disgusting attack on you?
BWAHAHA!
It really is all about you Gerry, isn't it? Did God tell you that just early
this morning?
> >Don't give me this God-directed bullshit. It makes a mockery of people
who
> >have genuine spiritual beliefs.
>
> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. You ops and your genuine spiritual beliefs.
>
> But isn't your CLutch slipping?
>
> Really, who or what are you still trying to kid? LFBD
I kid no one. I point to the obvious. And when you move to the next level of
injuring anything and anyone in your way to advance your own agenda, well
guess what?
More and more people are going to be calling you on your bullshit. In
fairness, you didn't start this exchange, but you've continued it.
Because... <drum roll please>... it's all about GERRY!
If you had a brain in a head you'd drop this now. I bet you won't. Next up:
I'll post a summary of your posts to ARS since your triumphant return with
the purpose of showing:
YOU'RE ONE SELF-CENTERED SON-OF-A-BITCH.
Try me. Reply once to me here, God-communique-one, know you can't resist.
You pick your battles poorly,
Gandalf
Gerry Armstrong
wrote:
Here's one. Do you recognize it?
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>
>BTW, I have a weird test for you to perform. It's really funky: Next time
>you post something, ask this question:
>
>(1) Did that help someone else directly?
>
>(2) Did that help you directly?
>
>(3) Did that help you directly and might vaguely, kind of help someone else?
Why don't you dummy run for us how you would apply this "tech" to your
disgusting attack on me here?
You really are one deeply caring whizzard.
>
>Don't give me this God-directed bullshit. It makes a mockery of people who
>have genuine spiritual beliefs.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. You ops and your genuine spiritual beliefs.
But isn't your CLutch slipping?
Really, who or what are you still trying to kid? LFBD
>
>Gandalf
>
>>
>> © Gerry Armstrong
>> http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
>
© Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
[End Quote]
You see, it's all about you.
And let this post be Exhibit 2.
Wow. Thank you CLam Tech. F/N
© Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
Gerry Armstrong
Wait, here's another one for you.
You'll recognize it too.
It's also all about you.
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Subject: Re: THE REAL GERRY ARMSTRONG (repost)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:36:27 +0100
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http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
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© Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
Gerry Armstrong
<ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote:
Okay, here's another one for you.
It too is all about you.
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© Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
[End Quote]
© Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
[End Quote]
Wow, so much attention on you!
It's all you, you, you.
© Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
Pookiebelle
> On Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:58:32 +0100, Gerry Armstrong
> <ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:55:50 +0100, Gerry Armstrong
> ><ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote:
> >
> >>On Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:58:33 GMT, "Gandalf"
<BasicQu...@yahoo.com>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>>"Gerry Armstrong" <ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote in message
> >>>news:q4u9tu07m9co1vr88...@4ax.com...
> >>>> On Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:34:48 GMT, "Gandalf"
<BasicQu...@yahoo.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> >"Gerry Armstrong" <ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote in message
> >>>> >news:49m9tucg1npq78v5j...@4ax.com...
> >>>> >> On Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:10:48 GMT, "Gandalf"
<BasicQu...@yahoo.com>
> >>>> >> wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> >"Gerry Armstrong" <ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote in message
> >>>> >> >news:n5a9tu839r67qsf2m...@4ax.com...
> >>>> >> >> On 14 Nov 2002 23:00:16 -0800, ffr...@hotmail.com (Garry)
wrote:
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> ><snip the rest of this garbage>
Ok Gandalf.
Gerry's really kooking out now. You've proved your point. Now please
stop or else you will look just as kooky as him.
Pookie
OSA Agent i/c
Gerry Armstrong
Thank you.
I saw they ramped you up with a whole day's lead time, RedFred.
I'll give you deserved space at
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/cult/index.html
And you're not the OSA agent I/C. That's David Miscavige.
But it's good they have at least one person left to support the CLone.
© Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
Gandalf
> On 15 Nov 2002 16:02:04 -0000, Pookiebelle <poo...@belle.com> wrote:
>
> >Gerry's really kooking out now. You've proved your point. Now please
> >stop or else you will look just as kooky as him.
I thank you for your sage advice. Nonetheless, I'd already stuck my foot too
far up my mouth to dislodge it other than by carrying through.
Gerry,
Each of the following post analyses have a subjective AG Score: "About Gerry
Score" which is 0 or 1. Zero if the post was not primarily about Gerry, 1 if
it was.
In summary, my analysis showed that I was wrong in claiming that Gerry
primarily posts about Gerry. A few posts are Gerry about Gerry, but far
fewer than I had originally thought or claimed. I went back enough posts to
conclude that the evidence was overwhelmingly against me and further
analysis would just be tedious repetition.
While I very much dislike being wrong, this is a nice conclusion in a way: I
'd prefer being wrong about another critic's limitations than right.
Therefore, I formally apologize to you Gerry and retract my prior negative
statements about "you almost always posting about yourself." It was my
mistake and I stand corrected.
Sincerely sorry [and, with a little luck, I'll be right next time :)],
Gandalf
Subject: Re: How come Gerry Armstrong isn't doing anything about Saddam
Hussein and Iraq?
Date: 2002-11-15
Reference:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=usb9tu8343rpergli6rdkaftutclqpqqdt%404a
x.com
Summary: Gerry talks about how he's helping out with the Iraq crisis. "And
I'm gratified that Saddam is so far following my advice to the letter."
AG Score: 1
Subject: Re: Answer in $cientology v. Armstrong, Marin SC CV 021632
Date: 2002-11-14
Reference:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8et7tuse0uaea2bi4tfak2rdkrcv7bhrvl%404a
x.com
Summary: Gerry talks about out Dan Bryenton assaulted Gerry and how he can
come clean.
AG Score: 1
Subject: Re: Martin Ottmann and Sheila W. Geer, IRS Criminal Investigator,
Tampa
Date: 2002-11-13
Reference:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=p5i6tus404bio5ndq2pcr0e87fs1rtff0r%404a
x.com
Summary: Gerry talks about the berthing for Sea Org.
AG Score: 0
Subject: Re: Scieno Spammer?
Date: 2002-11-13
Reference:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=mme5tuc6m8g4nctcah4nvbem4qgouinah3%404a
x.com
Summary: Gerry talks about Lisa's OW write ups that relate to an alleged
spammer.
AG Score: 0
Subject: Re: Martin Ottmann and Sheila W. Geer, IRS Criminal Investigator,
Tampa
Date: 2002-11-13
Reference:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=mji4tu41mc145qf6gijuc953sur16ma5nf%404a
x.com
Summary: Gerry discusses whether the term "Bridge" was used deliberately as
deception by Hubbard.
AG Score: 0
Subject: Re: Tigger Unit's claim re Minton v. Leipold
Date: 2002-11-13
Reference:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=aag4tusjf90no49ibdhopj7cfgh7c08ih8%404a
x.com
Summary: Gerry discusses whether "Greene" refers to Ford Greene or Brown
Greene.
AG Score: 0
Subject: Re: Some old Source magazine completions, etc
Date: 2002-11-12
Reference: Re: Some old Source magazine completions, etc.
Summary: Gerry discusses the state of Clear OT and definitions thereof.
AG Score: 0
Subject: Re: A Clue for Gerry (was: Caroline: Please wise up and
gethelpbe...
Date: 2002-11-12
Reference:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=u4e1tusaqu0q0tilqcuh31tfpfe3ajbv3c%404a
x.com
Summary: Gerry flunks an individual for not filling out his Scientology form
about Gerry.
AG Score: 1
Subject: Re: TECH outside COS. Success on NOTS
Date: 2002-11-11
Reference:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=ve00tugrcva264kod8ltpv08ukitiugfjg%404a
x.com
Summary: Gerry muses about the nature of cognitions.
AG Score: 0
Subject: Re: Scientology on 60 Minutes tonight
Date: 2002-11-11
Reference:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=kc00tusp000esu2722vp86nm674ajqh826%404a
x.com
Summary: Gerry discusses how psychiatry is dismissed by Scientology despite
its unwillingness to help precisely those individuals who could be most
helped by psychiatry.
AG Score: 0
Subject: Re: Scientology Where?
Date: 2002-11-10
Reference:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=0m3tsugosn8d9iujenngp9b6v5j9qfhoqe%404a
x.com
Summary: Gerry discusses the evil inherent in the Way To Happiness booklet.
AG Score: 0
Subject: Re: UFO Cult targets UFO buffs
Date: 2002-11-10
Reference:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=r53tsu48s8d448ebh9ssom24q7e0hjpob5%404a
x.com
Summary: Gerry discusses the implications of advertising and magazine
content.
AG Score: 0
Subject: Re: ptsc changing opinions about Judge Schaeffer
Date: 2002-11-10
Reference:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=f7qssu8gbhkvoo4utrl4f2ou3vppn8fn4j%404a
x.com
Summary: Gerry discusses the virtue of not prematurely praising judges.
AG Score: 0
Subject: Re: Christo Final Handling Eval
Date: 2002-11-10
Reference:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=impssuctlfgiutjgvahdd6td2d396em3nf%404a
x.com
Summary: Gerry discusses the need to cross a bridge before praising it.
AG Score: 0
Subject: Re: Love in the Church of Scientology?
Date: 2002-11-10
Reference:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=l5pssu8skc12m2j58pulbo7csql1kc9llb%404a
x.com
Summary: Gerry discusses Hubbard's own limitations of extension of kindness.
AG Score: 0
Subject: Re: Meeting With the Ministers and Scientology ( Reposted)
Date: 2002-11-10
Reference:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=bpissuk10mnnnrpl9gnqdt1iacg9d40k0r%404a
x.com
Summary: Gerry describes the limitations of LaserClam's "Black Dianetics"
and suggests alternatives.
AG Score: 0
END ANALYSIS [stopped at posts prior to 10 Nov 02]
Garry
> "Gerry Armstrong" <ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote in message
> news:hqbatukl1a4pv2ajv...@4ax.com...
> > On 15 Nov 2002 16:02:04 -0000, Pookiebelle <poo...@belle.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Gerry's really kooking out now. You've proved your point. Now please
> > >stop or else you will look just as kooky as him.
>
> I thank you for your sage advice. Nonetheless, I'd already stuck my foot too
> far up my mouth to dislodge it other than by carrying through.
>
> Gerry,
>
> Each of the following post analyses have a subjective AG Score: "About Gerry
> Score" which is 0 or 1. Zero if the post was not primarily about Gerry, 1 if
> it was.
>
> In summary, my analysis showed that I was wrong in claiming that Gerry
> primarily posts about Gerry. A few posts are Gerry about Gerry, but far
> fewer than I had originally thought or claimed. I went back enough posts to
> conclude that the evidence was overwhelmingly against me and further
> analysis would just be tedious repetition.
>
> While I very much dislike being wrong, this is a nice conclusion in a way: I
> 'd prefer being wrong about another critic's limitations than right.
>
> Therefore, I formally apologize to you Gerry and retract my prior negative
> statements about "you almost always posting about yourself." It was my
> mistake and I stand corrected.
>
> Sincerely sorry [and, with a little luck, I'll be right next time :)],
> Gandalf
And don't you forget it, Gandalf...because I guarantee you that Gerry
never will...and will jump to the occasion to use your apology as a
weapon against you next time you cross hairs with the kook.
anonymous
says...
>
>And don't you forget it, Gandalf...because I...will jump to the occasion
>to use your apology as a weapon against you next time...
Garry
> >
> > Gerry Armstrong is a kind, loving individual, who, as Tory says,
> > got hard proof of the truth about L Ron Hubbard. For having been
> > in a position to discover the real truth about Hubbard, and for
> > having the courage to disseminate it so that others may be spared
> > from Scientology's ruthless practice of fair game, Gerry has been
> > the target of Scientology's hatred for more than 20 years.
<blech> Saddam Hussein also has his small cadre of friends and
suck-ups whom he depends upon to justifify his "godliness" <hack> at
every turn.
> >
> > God Bless Gerry Armstrong. May he persevere.
May be persevere in getting extradited back to the U.S. to take some
responsibility that most grown-ups usually take for granted.
>
> Indeed, Gerry is a great guy. And Caroline seems to fit :-))
She'll fit until she's no longer any use to the aging scam artist and
then she'll be viewed as yesterday's rubbish by the scam artist.
Gerry has a history of manipulating and dumping women.
Beverly Rice
> Just to set the record straight about what follows, Beverly Rice
> completely misinterpreted something I wrote back in April this year,
> took it in a personal way that was unrelated to the way it was
> intended, made a connection which didn't exist, and used it as a
> certainty from which to attack me.
No I didn't, you are a liar, as much as you will try to spin it, I
am very well aware of your covertness . . .
I know why you were picked as being Intel Ops in Co$ for Hubbard,
you are very clever, just as Co$ is very clever until they are
made known.
Your added, unnecessary remark at the end of a post to me in a
thread you made about yourself ~was~ directed as a stab intended
to hurt deep.
You can play ignorant for others.
The fact is that over the two and a half years our "friendship"
spanned shortly after my husbands suicide, when I was still
really messed up and incredibly vulnerable . . .
I shared with you in absolute detail my inner most thoughts,
and the details of my therapy, among many other most personal
aspects of my life, because, as you said . . .
you cared, and we had a special relationship.
One of the things I shared with you, ~explicitly~ . . .
was how everyday statements that are made quite commonly,
such as "I need that like a hole in the head", or "putting a
gun to his/her head", or "just shoot me", or ~anything~ that
had to do with shooting heads, would totally cave me in.
That was explicitly stated to you, and talked about severally.
Your added, unnecessary remark at the end of a post to me when
I was calling you out about making the CST issue about you:
"Oh, and don't go shooting at the heads of the people trying to do what
you think is this most important thing to do."
was a deliberate jab, and was intentional, and you can't play
ignorant, and I won't let you because we both know better.
I know what you pretend to be now, but I also know that you
are still Intel in your heart.
And while we are on that subject, let me tell you another
HubTOADian/Co$ action that you took that has been decried
by many others regarding Co$ tactics as being one of the
worst . . .
and this is the one that I am most disgusted at where you
are concerned.
You were upset when you saw I had saved a few of the e-mails
you sent me, I normally do not keep e-mails after I receive
them, but destroy them, but these were just a couple of
ones that were little jokes between us or a little mushy . . .
but you asked me to delete them, you know, "just in case I
get raided" by the Co$, they won't be in my computer, so I
did . . .
it's called "respect for another human being".
But then, in one of our last conversations . . .
you made a call to me, and out of the blue you tell me that
you have kept every communication and everything I have ever
sent to you over that long period of time of trust and of
confidence . . .
things that Co$ would love to have on me, and things that
would be absolutely devastating to my life . . .
and informed me that you had turned them into a "collection"
of me.
In other words, you did not give me the same consideration
and respect that you demanded for your own self . . .
but then again the truth of the matter is no matter what you
pretend to be now, you ~are~ Intel at heart . . .
and it's a good thing to have complete write-ups of the most
intimate portions of a persons life for your files, isn't it?
You know, something gained along the lines of some words that
were posted on ARS not too long ago that went:
"Scientology's retention of a person's records fraudulently obtained
by the creation of a relationship of "trust" is an excellent issue."
Maybe you feel that only refers to Co$, and not to you when
you do the exact same action.
Except I know better than to ask for my "records" back.
As a matter of fact, I don't even want them back, but would like
the same courtesy from you that you received from me, just destroy
and delete them from existance.
But I know better, I know you won't, because I know you ~can't~ . . .
and I know that you ~don't~ give others the same respect you
receive for yourself, unless they toe the line with you without
question.
For that one action alone, of turning me in to a "collection" that
you keep of my most personal life and my deepest thoughts and
emotions, and the most tragic and secret things of my life . . .
i call you scum.
And you ~are~ a liar. Try to spin this any other way you wish . . .
you are ~NOT~ a "Man of God" . . .
you're not even a man . . .
you've always had to depend on finding a strong woman to be your
"left nut" for you.
You are a fraud, and you are every bit as much a con man as
Hubbard was . . .
just with a much smaller following . . .
Yeh, I know, you are working on that.
ARC = As-Ising the Real Con-Artist,
Beverly
Tigger
got Minton into so much trouble.
1. Big ego.
2. "My way or the highway".......won't take advice.
3. Using people for his own purposes.
4. Calling anyone who disagrees with him OSA and DA'ing them with false
accusations.
5. Ends justify the means thinking......it's O.K. to lie and do
dishonest, despicable and unethical things if it serves his purpose.
6. Trying to "shudder into silence" those who disagree with him.
I once thought Gerry Armstrong was a hero. But he's not. Right now his
OSA goon page, his evasive answers, his treatment of Beverly and his
dishonesty makes him a Zero......
Tigger
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Date: Mon, Nov 18, 2002, 11:14pm (CST+1) From: dbj...@mpinet.net
(Beverly Rice)
Gerry Armstrong wrote:
i call you scum.
just with a much smaller following . . .
Yeh, I know, you are working on that.
ARC = As-Ising the Real Con-Artist,
Beverly
***************************************************************
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."
"True peace is not merely the absence of tension but the presence of
justice and brotherhood."
-Martin Luther King, Jr.
**************************************************************
Starshadow
> Every day Gerry Armstrong reveals more of the same characteristics that
> got Minton into so much trouble.
>
> 1. Big ego.
>
> 2. "My way or the highway".......won't take advice.
>
> 3. Using people for his own purposes.
>
> 4. Calling anyone who disagrees with him OSA and DA'ing them with false
> accusations.
>
> 5. Ends justify the means thinking......it's O.K. to lie and do
> dishonest, despicable and unethical things if it serves his purpose.
>
> 6. Trying to "shudder into silence" those who disagree with him.
>
> I once thought Gerry Armstrong was a hero. But he's not. Right now his
> OSA goon page, his evasive answers, his treatment of Beverly and his
> dishonesty makes him a Zero......
There are a number of people who call themselves critics who have
pretty much disgusted me over the past several months. This is the first
one who's put me on a DA page simply for disagreeing with him though.
This is indeed a new low, not just for Armstrong, but for ars as a whole.
---
Bright Blessings,
Starshadow, KoX, SP5, Official Wiccan Chaplain ARSCC(wdne)
"Scientology in 1986, after fraud judgement in favor
of ex-member Lawrence Wollersheim --'Not one thin dime for
Wollersheim'
Scientology May 9, 2002 before final appeal--
86,746,430 Thin Dimes for Wollersheim." www.factnet.org
www.xenu.net --what the Church of Scientology doesn't want
you to see
Thomas Gandow
Tigger wrote:
> Every day Gerry Armstrong reveals more of the same characteristics that
....
belong to a real Tiger.
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/cult/usenet/goon-squad-follies.html
Now with tail!
TG
Tigger
>http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/c
>ult/usenet/goon-squad-follies.html
>Now with tail!
>TG
RFOL now that is funny.......
Thank you Gerry Armstrong and Thomas Gandow, you have just proved that
it only takes you minutes to DA anyone who points out the error of your
ways.......how truly SCIENTOLOGICAL of you. But I can't help laughing
at your efforts which show a bit of a unscientological sense of humor.
Too bad you don't have the ability to see how absurd you both are and to
laugh at yourselves.
Tigger
Tigger
to rush to judgement, they don't even have their tigger links in
working order yet......A Scientological Footbullet if there ever was
one.
Tigger
Hey, if anyone wants to be on Gerry's OSA page, just tell him how
scientological or Mintonique it and he is.
Geesh at the rate he's going, probably all you have to do is post
anything with which he disagrees,
I vote Gerry has to put up his, Lerma & Gandow posts too.
Garry
And at least she has a tail. Hell, you don't even have a working
brain.
The "Rev." Thomas Gandow is a total fraud and should be exposed for
what he really is. His numerous inflammnatory posts are already being
forwarded to church agencies and the media to see the scum that walks
in their midsts.
> TG
Garry
> In article <f6058cf6.02111...@posting.google.com>,
SO WARRIOR...YOU GOING TO BE A MAN NOW AND CALL YOUR FRIEND BEVERLY A
LIAR, NOW? YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. EITHER YOUR HERO, GERRY IS A
LIAR OR BEVERLY IS LYING... WHICH IS IT?? WE'RE WAITING...
I BET YOU WON'T EVEN HAVE THE GUTS TO RESPOND, YOU WIMP. DITTO FOR
YOUR OTHER LOSER PAL, TORY. WHAT ABOUT IT TORY....IS BEVERLY A LIAR,
TOO??
YOUR SUPPORT OF THE SCAM ARTIST, CANADIAN TAX EVADER AND U.S. FUGITIVE
IS DISGUSTING.
Garry
> Tigger wrote:
> > Every day Gerry Armstrong reveals more of the same characteristics that
> > got Minton into so much trouble.
> >
> > 1. Big ego.
> >
> > 2. "My way or the highway".......won't take advice.
> >
> > 3. Using people for his own purposes.
> >
> > 4. Calling anyone who disagrees with him OSA and DA'ing them with false
> > accusations.
> >
> > 5. Ends justify the means thinking......it's O.K. to lie and do
> > dishonest, despicable and unethical things if it serves his purpose.
> >
> > 6. Trying to "shudder into silence" those who disagree with him.
> >
> > I once thought Gerry Armstrong was a hero. But he's not. Right now his
> > OSA goon page, his evasive answers, his treatment of Beverly and his
> > dishonesty makes him a Zero......
>
> There are a number of people who call themselves critics who have
> pretty much disgusted me over the past several months. This is the first
> one who's put me on a DA page simply for disagreeing with him though.
>
> This is indeed a new low, not just for Armstrong, but for ars as a whole.
What do you think of Tory, now, Starshadow. She continues to swoon
over him and attacks those that don't kiss his scummy feet.
Deana Holmes
Deana M. Holmes
mir...@sonic.net
Beverly Rice <dbj...@mpinet.net> wrote in news:3DD9BA...@mpinet.net:
Starshadow
Tory is loyal to her friends, and has a lot of recovery to do from her
years in the cult. I'm awaiting her gaining her critical thinking
abilities. I still love her unconditionally, as a friend, and
disagreeing with her doesn't change that.
Heck, Garry, I disagree with a number of things you've said. But I won't
stop liking you.
*smootchies*
Garry
> Face it, Gerry, Beverly's got your number.
>
Now look forward to Gerry DA'ing Beverly with all his small-minded
pals like Tilman and Warrior quietly standing by and saying nothing as
Gerry does it....
Pathetic.
Pts 2
contributors against the abuses of $cn, Beverly and Gerry, at each
others' throats.
$cntg'ists have long since mastered the art of placing wedges between
friends, family, colleagues, co-workers, etc. I can only imagine the
Beavis and Butthead types at OSA are probably snickering with obnoxious
nasal snorts, reading this thread and thinking they've achieved yet
another victory in causing dissension in the ranks of their opposition.
IMHO.
This is sad.
Tom
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recovery to do from her years in the cult. I'm awaiting her gaining her
critical thinking abilities."
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I felt compelled to weigh in here. IMO, Tory is doing just fine in the
critical thinking skills dept.
I continue to preach the importance of meeting folks face-to-face - real
people not just cyber personalities on $cieno related news groups.
Tory's doing the talk at Occidental College with Dr. Kent was an awesome
move. Her hang'n out with Ida is definitely on the right track. Her
pickets are great. I was there in Clearwater for the Santa's Chair
incident. Her 6 part (or was it 7) expose on OSA's ARS "handling"
tactics was excellent info. Her positive upbeat presence on this NG are
seen by some as flakey or airy. I view it as very valuable and
refreshing ..... especially her constant warnings of OSA's main goal of
pitting critics and activists against each other.
Starshadow, now also IMO, the ex-$cienos here on this NG who TRULY need
LOTS and LOTS more recovery time and critical thinking skills repair,
is your friend Claire a.k.a. FluffyGirl, and my personal "handler"
Greenberg a.k.a. U-mike.
Tom
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Garry
> >>
> >>>Every day Gerry Armstrong reveals more of the same characteristics that
> >>>got Minton into so much trouble.
> >>>
> >>>1. Big ego.
> >>>
> >>>2. "My way or the highway".......won't take advice.
> >>>
> >>>3. Using people for his own purposes.
> >>>
> >>>4. Calling anyone who disagrees with him OSA and DA'ing them with false
> >>>accusations.
> >>>
> >>>5. Ends justify the means thinking......it's O.K. to lie and do
> >>>dishonest, despicable and unethical things if it serves his purpose.
> >>>
> >>>6. Trying to "shudder into silence" those who disagree with him.
> >>>
> >>>I once thought Gerry Armstrong was a hero. But he's not. Right now his
> >>>OSA goon page, his evasive answers, his treatment of Beverly and his
> >>>dishonesty makes him a Zero......
> >>
> >> There are a number of people who call themselves critics who have
> >>pretty much disgusted me over the past several months. This is the first
> >>one who's put me on a DA page simply for disagreeing with him though.
> >>
> >> This is indeed a new low, not just for Armstrong, but for ars as a whole.
> >
> > What do you think of Tory, now, Starshadow. She continues to swoon
> > over him and attacks those that don't kiss his scummy feet.
>
> Tory is loyal to her friends, and has a lot of recovery to do from her
> years in the cult. I'm awaiting her gaining her critical thinking
> abilities. I still love her unconditionally, as a friend, and
> disagreeing with her doesn't change that.
OK. Makes sense. She's recovering from 30 years of mental alvery, I
agree. I just hope she doesn't have to be one of the women that looks
back one day and frets over being duped by Gerry Jihad.
>
> Heck, Garry, I disagree with a number of things you've said. But I won't
> stop liking you.
You even said many times you killfiled me, though I never believed
you. :-)
>
> *smootchies*
*BIG, WET WEST HOLLYWOOD QUEEN SMOOCHIES* BACK TO YA.
Garry
> It pains me greatly to see two of some of my most favorite activists and
> contributors against the abuses of $cn, Beverly and Gerry, at each
> others' throats.
It's not a case of Beverly being at Gerry's throat, Tom. It's about
one man's deliberate manipulation and victimization of a woman he
swore at one to have cared deeply about. Contributing to the
information highway of Scientology abuses does not excuse the fact of
this.
>
> $cntg'ists have long since mastered the art of placing wedges between
> friends, family, colleagues, co-workers, etc. I can only imagine the
> Beavis and Butthead types at OSA are probably snickering with obnoxious
> nasal snorts, reading this thread and thinking they've achieved yet
> another victory in causing dissension in the ranks of their opposition.
> IMHO.
>
> This is sad.
What's very sad is that there are those that are so obsessed with
attacking Scientology, they are willing to look the other way, and say
nothing, and do nothing, when an infamous ex-Scientologist is using
any means he can to hurt and manipulate others on a personal level
that has absolutely nothing to do with Scientology.
You seem to be one of those that chose to blame Scientology for
practically everything negative in your life. It's always easier to
blame others than to take responsibility and accountability for the
scenarios that we create in our lown lives.
Which is probably why the well-accepted Scientology critics movement
of 5 years ago has dramatically dwindled to a small group and is no
longer accepted as legitimate by the media at-large.
Garry
> It pains me greatly to see two of some of my most favorite activists and
> contributors against the abuses of $cn, Beverly and Gerry, at each
> others' throats.
>
> This is sad.
If you truly cared about Beverly, Tom, you would e-mail her or call
her. I can vouch for the fact when I was ragging Tigger and posting
about your child support arrest situation, Beverly was consistently at
my jugular telling me how wrong I was.
If I had been in Orlando at the time, I'd been limping around the city
with one of Beverly's shoes entrenched far up my ass.
If there truly is a supporter in your corner, it is Beverly. I think
she would appreciate a reassuring call from you.
Garry
Starshadow
I did killfile you, when I had a working killfile, and before we made up.
You just made me SO MAD sometimes. But I'm so over it, now.
>>*smootchies*
>
>
> *BIG, WET WEST HOLLYWOOD QUEEN SMOOCHIES* BACK TO YA.
Awwwwww. Sweet thang.
Pts 2
Sometimes you are sooo clueless...right down there in the ranks of Keith
Wyatt and Umike Greenberg.
Btw, I am in contact with Beverly by e-mail, phone, and will be meeting
with her next month in person. YOU of all people are not in a position
to "rag" on me.
On a positive note, I will admit though, sometimes you are so
off-the-chart goofy, it's entertaining reading the stuff you put out
there.
LOL
Tom
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Susan
Susan
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fluffygirl
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> I agree with you Tom.
About which part? (hopefully not that crap about me- but if so, well, the
rantings of a man who's never met me can't really cut any ice...)
C
Susan
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I agree with Tom's assessment of Tory's posts and her value to the NG.
Unfortunately, my server could not find the post when I clicked on the URL
so, I cannot show Tom's words. They were very nice and apropos, IMHO.
Susan
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