David Blaine is a scam artist
T. Pascal
could forgive him that. The ice trick was interesting and at the very
least, it was original. I watched him get out of the ice with that
silly act of "paramedics" rushing him the "ambulance" so he could go
to the "hospital" and I laughed out loud long and hard. It hurt me to
laugh that much. So at least I got a little enjoyment out of it.
But this pole thing... Give me a frigging break. Is that really him
up there the whole time? Could he really fall to his death in his
dillerium of standing for three days? HA, HA! I remember watching a
little bit of the Y2K special and saw him bumble up the card trick
with Babawa Wawa. He can't even do a card trick!!
I heard on Howard Stern that his book contains "clues" to an "amulet"
that has been "buried" somewhere in the US. If you find this amulet
it tells you that you are an idiot and you have wasted good money on a
worthless piece of shiite full of nonsense. This is a valuable amulet
and it will guarentee to increase sales by at least 5 percent.
The term "magic" is meaningless, folks, because THERE IS NO SUCH THING
AS MAGIC. Which is to say, that David is an excellent practictioner
of something that does not exist. Good magic can fool children or
people who are no smarter than children. But how about some tricks
that fool educated, smart adults? That'd be magic, because it doesn't
exist. A smart adult would realize that when Blaine says "I'll be
standing up there for three days" that he actually won't, no matter
how much he says it.
Fools, morons, imbeciles, idiots! And George Bush is our president!
Troy
> The term "magic" is meaningless, folks, because THERE IS NO SUCH THING
> AS MAGIC.
WHAT?!??! You're kidding, right? I thought those cute little sponge
bunnies really did teleport from my hand to the spectator's hand. I
could have sworn that I really magically brought a fly back to life.
When David Copperfield went to Hawaii, I thought he really did teleport
himself.
Damn it! Do you have to ruin everything? Next, you'll tell me that there
is no Santa.
> Which is to say, that David is an excellent practictioner
> of something that does not exist. Good magic can fool children or
> people who are no smarter than children.
It also can (and does) fool intelligent people who want to be fooled.
Nobody goes to a magic show thinking that women are really being sawed
in half. Nobody really thinks that David Blaine is levitating. Everybody
knows it's a trick, but are entertained by the way the trick is
presented.
> But how about some tricks
> that fool educated, smart adults?
I'm educated. I consider myself smart. I've never seen a trick and went,
"Whoa, that guy has magic powers, I wonder why he's performing at Joe
Bob's Diner when he could be making money appear out of thin air," but
I've seen several tricks where I went, "Whoa, how the hell did he do
that?"
> That'd be magic, because it doesn't exist.
You are confusing magic with magick. There is no doubt that magic exists.
> A smart adult would realize that when Blaine says "I'll be
> standing up there for three days" that he actually won't, no matter
> how much he says it.
Before you make assumptions about something, it is best to get your
facts straight. He's only going to do it for 35 hours, which is hardly
three days. He's going to be on a 22 inch diameter pillar, not a pole.
22 inches is actually pretty big when it comes to stunts like this.
Now, he might not be up there for 30 hours, but I have a feeling that he
will be. It wouldn't be anywhere near impossible, and if you know
anything about pole sitting, you would know that 30 hours on a
relatively giant pillar isn't exactly impressive.
As for the finale, if you know anything about stunts, you'd know that a
100 foot jump, while impressive, isn't that hard if you know what you're
doing, even if it is into a pile of cardboard boxes.
> Fools, morons, imbeciles, idiots! And George Bush is our president!
If you're going to accuse people of ignorance, make sure your own facts
are straight, lest you look even more the fool.
--
Troy
Bizzaro
not for just 34 hours. I know poeple that have done more than that in longer
time. It's possible to stay awake that long... no biggie. IT's called no
doze. Of course he might be hallucinating by the end but I think he does
that anyway... and is it just me or can he NOT finish a sentance? With his
demeanor I think he shoyuld just take a few bong hits. It might make a bit
more sense.
Oh.. and there is no santa....
Bizzaro.
mike
front of people who are obviously stupid, so they are as fooled as a kid
would be as stated in your article, you didn't see him pull off any of his
real obvious tricks in front of any doctors,lawyers or even someone who
spoke decent english,
"T. Pascal" <t_pa...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Richard Cavell
> up there the whole time?
You and I both know that it isn't, but the general public thinks that it
*might* be true. So there is some risk, some suspense, and they're hooked
on it.
David Blaine, whatever a 'professional magician' might think of him, is
nationally famous, earns a lot of money, and entertains crowds. By
definition, therefore, he is everything that a top-class magician ought to
be.
Rick
"mike" <mj...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> yes, and besides if you watch him in his specials,he does these tricks in
> front of people who are obviously stupid, so they are as fooled as a kid
> would be as stated in your article, you didn't see him pull off any of his
> real obvious tricks in front of any doctors,lawyers or even someone who
> spoke decent english,
Not only that, but since they are filmed in advance, who knows how many
times he had to do the trick to get a few examples he could show on TV.
Art Begun
"Americans".
Except for your "decent english" remark, I agree with you.
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Ray Haddad
>Pascal cannot say how the Pole trick was done.
That's because it wasn't a trick. It was a stunt.
When people demonstrate athletic skills or abilities that appear to be
beyond those of ordinary people, it is known as a stunt. They don't
need to be explained because they are just what they appear to be. He
stood on a pole. He lay inside a block of ice for a few days. Both are
stunts, not magic tricks.
You guys really should focus on trying to understand the difference.
Do trapeze artists use magic to do their stunts? If so, everyone could
do them given the proper gimmicks and magic props. Get real.
Ray
Art Begun
owned by the Disney Corporation. It was easy to arrange for removal
of one of the mechanical presidents from the Hall of Presidents at
Disney World and to temporarily disguise it as DB. Its mechanics were
also reinforced so it would be reparable after the fall. So the
switch was made on the ground and the fake DB spent 35 hours on the
pole. At the set time a remote button was pushed and the fake DB took
a dive into the boxes where the real DB was hiding. The real one
stepped out, none the worse for wear.
It will all be exposed on the next Masked Magi show from Fox.
"Ray Haddad" <rha...@iexpress.net.au> wrote in message
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Who Deeny?
>
> That's because it wasn't a trick. It was a stunt.
This just goes to show you how good David Blaine really is as a magician
and illusionist!
> When people demonstrate athletic skills or abilities that appear to be
> beyond those of ordinary people, it is known as a stunt. They don't
> need to be explained because they are just what they appear to be. He
> stood on a pole. He lay inside a block of ice for a few days. Both are
> stunts, not magic tricks.
Forget the ice trick, everyone knows how that is done, they even revealed
one method of it on TV last night.
Also, as far as the title of this thread:
David Blaine is a scam artist
ALL magicians could be called scam artists. No magician actually makes
things disappear or does what the illusion suggests is being done, all
tricks are scams, all magicians are scam artists.
The best shoplifters are people who are magicians. If they can make
something disappear when people are looking right at them, then security
cameras and watchful eye of the store employees are nothing to fear. If
you can make something disappear into your pocket or coat when people are
expecting you to do so, imagine how much easier it is in a store when they
are NOT expecting you to make something disappear!
I love picking up a pack of gum right in front of the register clerk at a
supermarket then throwing it back in the rack. Then asking them if they
rang that gum up for me. When they give the confused look, take the pack
of gum out of your pocket and place it with the rest of your purchase.
We are all scam artists. But it is only a bad thing when you are doing
the scams to steal or hurt someone. David Blaine gives the watches and
stuff back to the owners, he doesn't keep them. He is not a BAD scam
artist.
Ray Haddad
<beg...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>I can't believe you missed it Ray. DB was never on the pole. ABC is
>owned by the Disney Corporation. It was easy to arrange for removal
>of one of the mechanical presidents from the Hall of Presidents at
>Disney World and to temporarily disguise it as DB. Its mechanics were
>also reinforced so it would be reparable after the fall. So the
>switch was made on the ground and the fake DB spent 35 hours on the
>pole. At the set time a remote button was pushed and the fake DB took
>a dive into the boxes where the real DB was hiding. The real one
>stepped out, none the worse for wear.
>
>It will all be exposed on the next Masked Magi show from Fox.
So he was really standing on that old velvet covered magic table with
the gold fringe? I haven't seen the special down here yet in
Australia. I'll watch for that.
Best,
Ray
Troy
> This just goes to show you how good David Blaine really is as a magician
> and illusionist!
Why is it so hard to comprehend that he may have actually stood on the
top of a beam for 35 hours? It's not impossible. The beam was nearly two
feet in diameter.
> Forget the ice trick, everyone knows how that is done, they even revealed
> one method of it on TV last night.
The ice could very well have been done by David Blaine actually being in
it the entire time. The method revealed on television was *not* how it
was done.
They're stunts, not illusions. I'm not saying he actually did stand on a
beam or a block of ice, but there's no physical reason why he couldn't
have.
--
Troy
Dan Paik
Troy <gimm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>They're stunts, not illusions. I'm not saying he actually did stand on a
>beam or a block of ice, but there's no physical reason why he couldn't
>have.
of course. he also could have been buried alive for 7 days. it's
physically possible to do that and not die.
but the point is...he didn't really do these things. they were illusions.
Dan.
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Troy
> In article <20020523144123...@yahoo.com>,
> Troy <gimm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >They're stunts, not illusions. I'm not saying he actually did stand on a
> >beam or a block of ice, but there's no physical reason why he couldn't
> >have.
>
> of course. he also could have been buried alive for 7 days. it's
> physically possible to do that and not die.
>
> but the point is...he didn't really do these things. they were illusions.
What makes you so sure he didn't really do it?
Nobody who claims that he faked these stunts has presented any sort of
proof. Without proof that the stunts were faked, there's no reason to
believe he didn't actually do them.
--
Troy
Bill Page
have sfty thin wires hook on them to they do not really fall t the
pavement
Bill Page
stay away for a week until friday night the last day we
children left the camp to had back home
cause by friday it hit me like a ton of breaks
zzzzzzzzzzz
i done this cause at camp pranks where being pulled on like
shaving cream in people blankets other children in the next cabin
sneaked in from the bath romm area open our door thru water melton stff
all over the floor and aciidently landed on some children in our
cabin then that made evryne get out of bed and thriow stuff back
at the other cildren in the ext door cabin plus all the camp
counsulrs inclding ours that i tought how to solve the rubincks
cube as for me
i just set o my top bunk in the middle of the floor and
watched all this action :)
im not a fighter
im a Christian:)
pathfind11
Now don't get any ideas bill!!
I do not want to hear about you
swinging from tree to tree by
wires, playing out spiderman ;-)
Path
Bill Page
SNOW
yep JESUS MAKES NO ROBOTS every body is special in there own way aww
cool :)
JESUS GIVE EVERYONE TALENTS and we sould use these
talent to serve
JESUS :)
JUST like we christian magician do
bob scofield
fundy...@aol.com
gerry padgent
gap...@juno.com
me bill page
magic...@webtv.net
reza
re...@magicreza.com
snap...@hotmail.com
araron
magic...@hotmail.com
howrd chaple mishionary in saint kits
and
adam allred
fluff...@webtv.net
and
berry web and his father
bw...@juno.com
and may others ifor gt there emails adress like christian magician
ANDRKOLE who soul wins forjESUS EVERY WHERE HE GOES hes friends wit
david copperfield
WHO COPERFIELD SAYS WE PRAY TO JESUS to do real god in our magic
shows and tv specials plus keep us safe
and help us to make somome go on a magical roller coaster
ride of thrills and excitement make them go wow! and oh
my gosh! and aaaaaa then goofy anf comical hehehe hi
this is my pet duck webster shake hands with webster :) have you
evr shook hands with a duck before ? you still haven't that was his
foot hehehe everyone laughes lol cool and then copperfield
tells a true story how when he was a child growing up he
never saw snow :( every year they would go on
vaction away from snow so he prayed every day to
JESUS TO FINLY GET TO SEE SNOW AND one time they stayed
home on vaction and that was the year no snow :( and young
David Copperfield LOOKED out the window all day praying to
jESUS to make it snow then it was his bedtime so he
went to bed so afew hours later his parents wispered to
david saying david david look out the window so young david
copperfeld got up rubbed his eyes looked out the window it was
SNOWING! :) HE WENT OUT SIDE looked up thanked Jesus HE
PLAYED IN THE SNOW LAUGHED AND CRYIED then
later on after the snow was gone he recreated it by
cutting little pieces of paper and throwing it in the air it
was his way of keeping the magic and plus there was papper all over his
room hehehe then the music orctar moving sng starts
to play as DC MAKES IT SNOW FROM IS HANDS AND THEN TAKES A
WHITE CLOTH GETS UP ON A TABLE COVER HIM SELF UP AND DROPS THE
SHEET HES NOW A YOUNG BOY COPPERFIELD AGAIN AWWW he playing with
snow on stage then young boy copperfield sees order
copprfield maguical back on table as each stare on each other
with smiles :) and youn boy copperfield sllowly walks off stage to
the left side
from the TV VIEW but at chrysler hall it was the right side then
older copperfield gets down off table and just hold his hand up and
in the spot light as snow is coming down all over stage and to move
the audince its also snowing on them too every where cool
huh :) we saw that betuilu illsuion live in norfolf virginia
at chrysler hall and my friend michieal acidently
while taking got some snow land on his tounge he said hey thistaste like
soap :) then omiacl david drew duncan
david_d...@yahoo.com
said hey maybe its all the cloarx soap tha he uses in his tv
comercials hehehe we all lughed even the guy who opened the
door to let everyone outtedoor :)
ps. mat galoway promagician
gaveus a ring in the theater befire the copperfield show started and
take piced uo his cleluar phone and said o hi matt :) ooo i see
hes going to do a blade illusion and snow ok coool then dave
let me and tommy and mike talk to matt on the phone hehehe every
body in the theater looked at us like whos is these guys ?
talking illusion secrets lol
1 girl was amzed i was keeping up with copperfield talking on
his bandanda banna illusiion called mR ROGERS AND MISSUNDER
STANDING CLOE U ILLUSION
she look at copperfield on stage then at me it was if she
was
listing to stero lol
http://community.webtv.net/magic-bill
http://community.webtv.net/magic-bill/NEWMASKEDMAGICIANON
From: actor...@aol.com (Actorscotty) Group: alt.magic
Subject: Re: Masked Magician from Fox really screwed all of you!!
X-Admin: ne...@aol.com Date: Sun, May 19, 2002, 11:32pm
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no one screwed me at all, i for one among many don't give a egg sand
witch with cheese how many expose's there are, i continue to do what i
do, "entertain" you may know that an artist paints a masterpiece by
simply brushing paint on canvas, but can you do it,i think not, you may
know that a talented musician plays the piano by hitting or pressing the
keys, but can you do it, i think not, and you may get a few secrets of
how a specific effect is performed, so what it is the artistry of the
performer that magically transforms the simple secrets into
entertainment, and you can't expose the secret to doing that in a
million fox specials
hehehe lol im havin fun lol hehhehe
res0ysdu
"T. Pascal" <t_pa...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Bob K
> Forget the ice trick, everyone knows how that is done, they even revealed
> one method of it on TV last night.
They did forget to mention a few things in that revelation:
Staying in the ice for 7 days would have required a trick- few people
can live 7 days without water. Blaine was only in for 3 days (a
little less actually).
Blaine's ice cube was not on top of a large platform.
There were no assistants spraying Blaine's ice cube to fog it over for
a switch.
It's much easier to switch people when they're covered from head to
foot and wearing a mask.
The simpliest explanation for Blain'e stunt is that he actually did
stand in the ice for 3 days. But that's not a very interesting secret
for Fox to reveal so they had to imply that things were different than
they actually were in order to make up a secret to reveal.
> The best shoplifters are people who are magicians.
That's like saying the best card cheats are people who are magicians.
Neither is true.
jcurtis
anything: If he or she had read anything by Booth, for example, or Tarbell
or or Fitzkee or others he would realize that most "experts" agree it is
much EASIER to fool adults than children. If you show a glass frame and
then run a pencil through it a child may or may not realize that this is
impossible, but an adult does. Etc....learn alittle bit about magic pleae
before expounding. And YES I think Blaine is good for magic and most people
today haven't seen most of the old-time stuff anyway.
jack curtis
jcurtis
appear to be empty but I am backpalming a deck of cards"?
jack curtis
Bill Page
hey magician gerry pagent
at
gap...@juno.com
said what david blaine does is real endurance stunt he said like
that POLE he stodd onthe was so many cemterers wide to stand on
there now illusion trick to it
and magician
bobscofield SAys the same thing
fox ICE SECRET was just a simluarway of doing it but what
blaine done was a real stunt in that block of ice
bob email is
fundy...@aol.com
he also said he liked the stuff that mitchlery sent he espcialy
lliked the mciver and movie mastakes info
he said he him self cathes maskies in movies like the movie
Preety Woman
YOU SEEN THAT MOVIE BILL?
yes lots of times :)
iteven his a magical them intro with coins :)
well bill julirober is eating waflles
then see magician has changed to a crusaunt in her hand then
back to waflle
plus a guy magical changes to brown
wow bob cool :)
i will have to go watch it again
i look for wires and scrim netting and trap doors but now im
going to have to think even deeper in the field of misdirection :)
of illusion FX ARTS
bill along time ago people took there time and made no mastakes
while filming but they had extra people who wre paid to watch the
movie to catch theses mastakes in movie
or tv extc. but now we have gotten soo lazy rush to get the
movie done and figure the lay audience wil not even notice this
stuff wich is true unles your a movie buff like me and others
that will pick up on this stuff:)
its fun bill it keeps thebrain thinking
instead of just watching it study while watching it :)
you see bill what the lay audience does not know is that they do
not film all in one day they film a little bit, go eat dinner
come back start filming and then stop filming, then the the
next day start filimg again but in that those time slots no one
remeembrs from the next day hm was i a blue shirt i was wearing or
red? oh well i will put on red but to onl find out latter it was
not red or blue it was aellow shirt plus on top of that bill
the UNSUNG HERO CALLED STUNT Doubles THEY GET HURT BREAK BONES
EVEN BLOW UP ON IMPACK EXPLOSION KABOOOM! even though the stung guy
for the movie gets killed the leave it in the script it A RAP
print lets go put it out in the thearters let go ho home to our
family take a vaction
they dont care about taking that part outthat the stunt double gt
killed realy acidetly they the film guys and prudcers just care
about the money mad for the movie
woa bob thats very intresting i cant belive they would do this?
and gerry padgnt LIKED THE NEW QUARTER I BOUGHT FROM ABBOTTS HE SAID
ITS very well made :) thats a good one bill i like it :)
Re: David Blaine is a scam artist
Group: alt.magic.secrets Date: Sun, May 26, 2002, 4:59am (EDT-3) From:
bkm...@ij.net (Bob K)
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Re: David Blaine is a scam artist
duv...@charter.net (jcurtis)
Group: alt.magic.secrets Date: Sun, May 26, 2002, 10:05pm (EDT+4) From:
voca...@earthlink.net (vocalize)
And expensive set up, but this WAS for network television. . It was his
own hand, but more than likely not ever a real jewelry store. They
re-worked the front facade of that shop.
There is more window pane than 'meets the eye. ' The glass extends a few
feet into the left window frame and hides the hole. When the newspaper
is brought up to the glass, the whole pane is moved left-to-right - -
extending now further into the RIGHT window frame. Of course, once the
hand is removed, the whole pane again slides left, and hides the hole.
When the newspaper leaves the glass, all appears as before . .
even david copperfeld says the same thinghe can ot fool a child but
aaldultes are easy they dont anlaize very think bt children do they
like to learn audultes stop learing the brain allwaysneeds to
learn
Re: David Blaine is a scam artist
Group: alt.magic.secrets Date: Sun, May 26, 2002, 4:22pm (EDT-1) From:
duv...@charter.net (jcurtis)
John J
and made people sit up and go "oooh." Of course he's a scamster. All
magicians are.
But I have to agree, these idiots that insist he is endowed with special
powers need to go speak with John Edwards or something. Blech.
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Troy
> Staying in the ice for 7 days would have required a trick- few people
> can live 7 days without water. Blaine was only in for 3 days (a
> little less actually).
Actually, would this even be true? After all, ice is just frozen water.
It melts. Couldn't he get enough water to survive from the ice?
--
Troy
Bill Page
but ihave friends that would not like germs but i guess
they would if they had no choice
as for me dum dum me i drink sodas after people that d no want
theres
i end up catiching achoo achoo a cold
snif snif
Re: David Blaine is a scam artist
Group: alt.magic.secrets Date: Tue, May 28, 2002, 10:29am (EDT-3) From:
gimm...@yahoo.com (Troy)
Who Deeny?
> for this effect:
> A: A 100 foot apparent platform.
> B: Long period of endurance, 35 hours.
> C: Apparent balance.
> D: Relieved look after ending the event.
>
> A: A really, really, big Suppository
What do you mean by suppository? If medication, I don't get it. If you mean
something for him to take a shit into, then that was the beauty of the selection of
35 hours, as it could be possible to not take a shit for just over a day, but he
would still need to piss, thus the reason for wetting the bottom of the pants for
effect as he did. Selecting a time period of say a week, could have been done by
the same method and illusion he did, but then people would be LOOKING trying to
figure out how he is doing the trick, rather than just assuming he is really doing
it since it is "only 35 hours"
sanscan
account for anyone who might take this seriously!