Open letter to Bob Minton
KBa...@uctlib.uct.ac.za
I don't really know you, and I'm not sure if this is appropriate, or not, but
on the odd off-chance that it might prove helpful to you, I'm posting this.
As you already know, you are a "vital target" for the Church of Scientology,
because you are an "opnion leader", and in their eyes, "upstat" as well (ie,
they take you seriously despite not having been a member, because you have
"flowed money" to the "SPs". You have also become a Director of FACTNet, and
no matter what the general public think of FACTNet, FACTNet remains in
Scientology's eyes, a HUGE threat, which they wish to eliminate.
With this incident regarding the shooting, they are of course, trying to
drive you over the edge, based on their "tech". (Sacred cult scripture). What
I am about to say is based upon the insights I gained, from having been a
Scientologist, and from having gotten deep inside the "heads" of OSA - not
only did they get inside my head, but I got inside theirs as well.
I am sure you already know what you are dealing with, but I emphasise it here,
FWIW.
1. They view you as a "wog" with a Reactive Mind, which can be
"re-stimulated" and lead to irrational actions and sayings. Scientology views
humans as *all* having "Reactive Minds", or "Bank" as they call it, which is
stimulus-respoinse, and therefore, manipulable. Responds to button pushes,
and so on. They reagrd each human as having a set of "items" - those are
things which one cannot excersize any rational control over - triggering
either fear, rage, revulsion, or, as they call it "charge". Scientology is
supposed to be a way of getting "charge" of people, till they no longer have
"Reactive Minds", and are completely rational/analytical, so they claim.
2. They are trying to push you, provoke you into going "irrational" in their
eyes. Thus far, I do not see you doing that, the warning shots you fired were
perhaps not the best possible thing to do at that time, but no harm was done,
and you were within your rights. However, they won't stop now. They smell the
reaction of some of the a.r.s crowd, and they know they have the right "item"
- to try and provoke you into violence, or angry tirades which appear
irrational to those not under such pressure, and who judge easily, and
harshly. So, they will keep doing things to engineer that outcome, because
*that* will Dead Agent you to the critics. That's what they're after.
3. Dead Agenting remains the single most successful form of neutralising an
opponent to Scientology. They have tried to spread rumours about you and
Stacy, they have tried to sow seeds of discontent within your family, they
have publically defamed you, none of which has succeeded in neutralising you.
The thing about Dead Agenting, in their policy is "find or MANUFACTURE". In
other words, if they don't find, or, they do find, but what they find doesn't
push the general public's "buttons", they then have to MANUFACTURE, which
means, get you to Dead Agent yourself. I know what I'm talking about here. It
worked with me.
4. What I am saying to you therefore, is an educated guess that they will
apply what they call a "successful action", done in the past over various
times, to get the critics to turn on you, and tear you to pieces, based on
something *you* have done. (Or, they have provoked or manipulated you to do).
That remains in their eyes, a "successful action", to be repeated. Lovely
"religion", this.
In summary - take it from one who's been there, done that, a voice from the
past, on whom it *did* work - don't let it work with you. You do have several
things in your favour - you are a US citizen, known personally to many of the
critics, you are surrounded by people who know about this, you do not have a
pre-disposition to "snap" into a former cult persona, you do not have
environmental variables which are incomprehensible to the critics, and so on.
I just thought it might be helpful to you to know how they think.
In support,
Kim Baker
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LilAlex
As Beverly says:
When you put your money in a Pepsi
machine, you expect to get Pepsi, not a can of worms.
EldonB123
>>The thing about Dead Agenting, in their policy is "find or MANUFACTURE". In
>>other words, if they don't find, or, they do find, but what they find doesn't
>>push the general public's "buttons", they then have to MANUFACTURE, which
>>means, get you to Dead Agent yourself.
The MANUFACTURE part is where they will really mess up. Just remember the part
about the forged bomb letter with Paulette Cooper's fingerprints on it,
threatening to bomb the Saudi consulate, or whatever that was. And now, I
believe, they are sending letters again, didn't Bob mention?
Mike O'Connor
[...]
> 3. Dead Agenting remains the single most successful form of neutralising an
> opponent to Scientology. They have tried to spread rumours about you and
> Stacy, they have tried to sow seeds of discontent within your family, they
> have publically defamed you, none of which has succeeded in neutralising you.
> The thing about Dead Agenting, in their policy is "find or MANUFACTURE". In
> other words, if they don't find, or, they do find, but what they find doesn't
> push the general public's "buttons", they then have to MANUFACTURE, which
> means, get you to Dead Agent yourself. I know what I'm talking about here. It
> worked with me.
++++++++++++ SACRED CULT SCRIPTURE +++++++++++++
The purpose of a lawsuit is to harass and discourage rather than to
win.... Don't ever defend. Always attack. Find or manufacture enough
threat against them to cause them to sue for peace. Originate a black PR
campaign to destroy the person's repute and to discredit them so
thoroughly they will be ostracized. Be alert to sue for slander at the
slightest chance so as to discourage the public presses from mentioning
Scientology.
It is my specific intention that by the use of professional PR (black PR)
tactics any opposition not only be dulled but permanently iradicated.
-- L. Ron Hubbard
HCOPL 30 may 1974
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 4. What I am saying to you therefore, is an educated guess that they will
> apply what they call a "successful action", done in the past over various
> times, to get the critics to turn on you, and tear you to pieces, based on
> something *you* have done. (Or, they have provoked or manipulated you to do).
> That remains in their eyes, a "successful action", to be repeated. Lovely
> "religion", this.
[...]
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[Cult document]
Re: Successful and Unsuccessful Actions
Dear Jane,
The following is a list of the successful and unsuccessful actions used by
intelligence.
Successful
Prosecuting Traitors
1) In the US finding evidence of a crime and handing it over to the
police or vice-squad. This is any crime.
[...]
Contacting the secretary or aide of the person you are interested in and
chatting them up. Note this is very successful in getting tricky information
that is not available in other areas. Is Dr. so and so on his vacation now?
Where is he? How long will he be gone?
Invent letterhead of some organization that is curious, i.e. have it printed
up and use it to make queries. Use some fairly safe address but don't be
over cautious. If you have a letterhead nobody seems to bother checking it.
Examples "Ford Foto Features" or "The Council for Human Relations in
Industry". If you have a letterhead of any sort you will get answers to your
questions 95% of the time. Of these using a phony News Agency is the most
successful.
Using 2D on someone high in the government to seduce them over to our side.
This particular action was not started as an Int action but was more
personal. It did however move into a B2 activity.
Getting introductions - Ex. if you want to see B but you need to be on more
secure ground, you phone A and ask him what you want. When he can't answer
you ask if B would be able to help. A says yes and then you see or phone B
and tell him that A had said you should get in touch with him.
[...]
Getting birth certificates of subjects of interest. Helps start trace of the
early years.
Getting advance information on the legal side so that we know what enemy
legal is doing. Example: a recent legal case depended on whether the enemy
had documents that proved so and so. Int found that the documents were
fifth-hand information based on hearsay by the fourth person. Although our
info didn't specifically affect the case it did give our legal more certainty
to press on.
Infiltrating an enemy group with the end to getting documents. These can
either be about their own plans or what they have on us.
Covert third partying with forged or phony signatures.
Anonymous third partying. Particularly the Internal Revenue service appears
to follow up every tip off they get.
Getting information out of files. This is of course only vital files, not
just any files.
Direct theft of documents.
[...]
Insisting that troublesome sources policy be kept in.
Use of companies house and company registrations to trace directors,
shareholders etc.
[...]
Impersonating a reporter over the phone to get information.
Tracing newspapers, directors etc.
Unsuccessful Actions
Investigating noisily - this has actually produced more trouble than results.
Interviewing someone who wants to sell information. On the whole this has
only produced con men and no results. There is nothing wrong with offering
to buy information but watch out for the guy who approaches you first trying
to sell it. This includes selling it for other information, favours or cash.
Infiltrating with a view to only gathering general information and verbal
reports rather than documents.
Using an SP to get information on another SP.
[...]
Bugging and the use of any electronic devices have on the whole produced
nothing.
[...]
Publishing the results of an investigation when a crime is found.
Attempting to trace individual reporters.
Launching an anti-press campaign.
Depending on a plant having a degree that will "get him into the files". A
degree may help but the plant had better have brains as well.
Depending on big money alone to get in and out of places. "Money talks" does
not hold true everywhere in the world.
Depending on 2D specifically as a means of getting info. (Note I mentioned
2D earlier as a successful method. I feel that this is because the girl
concerned had actually fallen for the government person and did not go into
the affair with the intention of getting information.)
In the UK attempting to prosecute someone for a crime not done to the
organization, but to someone else.
Blatant third partying where you write a phony letter from A to B talking
about C that is full of entheta and generalities. The letter must be much
more subtle to work.
Using elaborate cover stories that require great deals of proof and memory to
keep going.
Impersonating a government Intelligence Officer.
Mixing covers on the same job. Telling one guy you're doing one thing and
telling or implying to someone else that you are or are doing something else.
Putting out lines and waiting for people to come to you. Telling everyone
that you're the big authority on Shmuck and then waiting for them to contact
you about Shmuck.
TO HAT 23rd April 1974
Re: Successful and Unsuccessful Actions Addition
Since this was first written some updating is required as follows:
1. A workable CIC has now been devised and the current CIC is a successful
action.
2. An anti-press campaign has been run by a front organization with great
success.
Both of the above were listed as unsuccessful actions.
Love,
Mo.
++++++++++++ SACRED CULT SCRIPTURE +++++++++++++
The law can be used very easily to harass, and enough harassment on
somebody who is simply on the thin edge anyway, will knowing that he is
not authorized, will generally be sufficient to cause his professional
decease. If possible, of course, ruin him utterly.
-- L. Ron Hubbard
"A Manual on the Dissemination of Material" (1955)
++++++++++ SACRED CULT SCRIPTURE ++++++++++++
This is correct procedure:
(1) Spot who is attacking us.
(2) Start investigating them promptly for FELONIES or
worse using own professionals, not outside
agencies.
(3) Double curve our reply by saying we welcome an
investigation of them.
(4) Start feeding lurid , blood sex crime actual
evidence on the attackers to the press.
-- L Ron Hubbard
++++++++++ SACRED CULT SCRIPTURE ++++++++++++
THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can write
that down in your book in great big letters. The only way you can control
anybody is to lie to them. When you find an individual is lying to you,
you know that the individual is trying to control you. One way or another
this individual is trying to control you. That is the mechanism of
control. This individual is lying to you because he is trying to control
you - because if they give you enough misinformation they will pull you
down the tone scale so that they can control you.
-- L. Ron Hubbard
Technique 88
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
INTELLIGENCE SPECIALIST TRAINING ROUTINE - TR L
Purpose: To train the student to give a false statement with good TR-1.
To train the student to outflow false data effectively.
[...]
Training Stress: In Part 1 coach gives command, student originates a
falsehood. Coach flunks for out TR 1 or TR 0. In Part 2 coach asks
questions of the student on his background or a subject. Student gives
untrue data of a plausible sort that the student backs up with further
explanatory data upon the coach asking further questions. The coach
flunks for out TR 0 and TR 1, and for student fumbling on question
answers. The student should be coached on a gradient until he/she can lie
facilely.
[...]
-- [Cult document recovered in FBI raid]
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
-Mike
Censored by Scientology
Starshadow
eldo...@aol.com says...
>
> >>The thing about Dead Agenting, in their policy is "find or MANUFACTURE". In
> >>other words, if they don't find, or, they do find, but what they find doesn't
> >>push the general public's "buttons", they then have to MANUFACTURE, which
> >>means, get you to Dead Agent yourself.
>
> about the forged bomb letter with Paulette Cooper's fingerprints on it,
> threatening to bomb the Saudi consulate, or whatever that was. And now, I
> believe, they are sending letters again, didn't Bob mention?
>
it. I'd like to see this on a followup on Dateline.
Bastards.
--
Bright Blessings,
Starshadow SP4, Granny Dyke
claire swazey
>> > >>The thing about Dead Agenting, in their policy is "find or MANUFACTURE". In
> > >>other words, if they don't find, or, they do find, but what they find doesn't
> > >>push the general public's "buttons", they then have to MANUFACTURE, which
> > >>means, get you to Dead Agent yourself.
You guys, you do not have the right definition of Dead Agent. I have
given this ng the definition before and will now do so again:
This is per the Admin Dictionary of Scn:
"...used to disprove the lies. This consisted of counter-documenting
any area where the lies were circulated. The lie 'they were' is
countered by document showing (put emphasis on show here-cms) 'they were
not' ... meaning getting documentary proof (my emphasis on the word
proof-cms) that what was said was lies."
Therefore from this I would say that the purpose of Dead Agenting is to
tell the truth in order to counteract lies. This would not include
manufacturing things as manufactured things are not true.
if manufacturing does take place, it is not dead agenting. It is
manufacturing.
Claire
Brian Stewart
>
<snip>
>
> Therefore from this I would say that the purpose of Dead Agenting is to
> tell the truth in order to counteract lies. This would not include
> manufacturing things as manufactured things are not true.
>
> if manufacturing does take place, it is not dead agenting. It is
> manufacturing.
>
> Claire
To be honest, I don't care what you call it-- manufacturing evidence is
wrong! Operation Freakout was wrong, and if the same sort of thing is
being done to Bob Minton, it is wrong!
Bob Minton's stated purpose with all of this was to get the CoS to
reform. Scientology purpose these days seems to be to persuade Minton
to want Scientology destroyed. (Which seems to be, to put it bluntly, a
very stupid thing for the CoS to do.)
Unless the CoS does change, what WILL do it in is the black and white
approach to critics. Their belief seems to be that any and all
criticism is equally bad, and therefore all critics must be destroyed.
This leads to being constantly at war on many fronts-- a very expensive
and risky proposition.
Anyway, it's very late (or very early, depending upon how you look at
it) and I need to get to bed.
(Hey, if Miscavige wants me to explain to him about why a multifront war
is a bad idea, he can take me out to dinner here in the Mad City-- why
should wealthy and/or famous critics be the only ones taken out to eat?
:-)
BAS-- ARSCC (wdne) dishwasher and King of Antarctica
ARSCC (wdne), Great Lakes (wde) and Antarctica (wdne)
Warrior
>
>if manufacturing does take place, it is not dead agenting. It is
>manufacturing.
>
>Claire
As in "manufacture" evidence. It's also called "Black PR" and
"Third Partying" (creating conflicts behind persons' backs).
It's a time-tested "successful action" employed by Scientology's
Guardian Office and now the Office of Special Affairs.
With regards to Bob Minton and his family, OSA seeks to *manufacture*
evidence to use against Bob to destroy him and his marriage. This
was the purpose of the OSA tresspassers and private investigator
Mr. Middleton. It was also the purpose of the material that was
given to Bob's wife in England the other day. Scientology is trying
to convince Mrs Minton that Bob is having an affair, so Bob's marriage
will be destroyed or greatly damaged. OSA hopes to exert enough
pressure on Mrs Minton to cause her to beg Bob to stop what he is
doing and/or to destroy their marriage through the creation of
mistrust. Through the use of a "3rd party campaign" of "Black PR",
Scientology hopes to destroy Bob, or at least cause him to *back off*
on his opposition to the cult.
This is the simplicity of the matter. By OSA "standards", almost
*anything* goes, if it is in alignment with their *purpose*, which
is to preserve Scientology as a money-making enterprise.
Jim Byrd
>
>In article <35BE690B...@home.com>, claire says...
>>
>>if manufacturing does take place, it is not dead agenting. It is
>>manufacturing.
>>
>>Claire
>
>As in "manufacture" evidence. It's also called "Black PR" and
>"Third Partying" (creating conflicts behind persons' backs).
>
>It's a time-tested "successful action" employed by Scientology's
>Guardian Office and now the Office of Special Affairs.
>
>With regards to Bob Minton and his family, OSA seeks to *manufacture*
>evidence to use against Bob to destroy him and his marriage
That has been evident for some time. The clambots on ars have been making
slanders about Stacy Young for quite a while, evidently as part of an organized
campaign.
There is something else I would not be surprised to see in the future: forged
photographs. Programs for digitally manipulating photographs have gotten very
good lately. There was a magazine article several years back "The End of
Photography as Evidence for Anything". This article was accompanied by a
gorgeous photograph of the Charles River in Boston, over which were floating
several beautiful hot-air balloons. Just one problem: that event never
happened.
claire swazey
>
> In article <35BE690B...@home.com>, claire says...
> >
> >if manufacturing does take place, it is not dead agenting. It is
> >manufacturing.
> >
> >Claire
>
> As in "manufacture" evidence. It's also called "Black PR" and
> "Third Partying" (creating conflicts behind persons' backs).
>
> It's a time-tested "successful action" employed by Scientology's
> Guardian Office and now the Office of Special Affairs.
But my point was (I'll repeat the auditing command...) that the
definition of Dead Agent is not and was not as portrayed in that post.
As I said, if anything else happens that is outside the scope of that
definition, then it is not Dead Agenting, it is something else entirely.
See what I mean?
C
Brian Stewart
So, it is okay if it is called "Black PR"?
Let's call it "CoS's Orange Buffalo", then. Or, even, "Miscavige and 5
pounds of Vaseline"!
MY point is that trying to ruin someone's marriage, reputation, life,
etc. is wrong. Invading someone's privacy (i.e., going onto their
property and taking photographs of them, bothering their wife overseas
in an attempt to damage their marriage, things like that), are wrong--
we are NOT supposed to support things like that in the United States!
Actually, pretty much all of the free world doesn't support that!
So, what I am saying, is that one of the things I want to see changed in
the CoS is this policy of "Miscavige and 5 Pounds of Vaseline".
Scientology's chance of survival, as opposed to its chance of dying out
and being remembered as fondly as Stalin's USSR or Hitler's Germany,
would be much improved if the practice of harassing and attempting to
destroy critics would be stopped.
(BTW, what else is trespassing and photographing someone if not
harrasement?)
Michael Reuss
>You guys, you do not have the right definition of Dead Agent. I have
>given this ng the definition before and will now do so again:
Command grades can overrule policy. Bob Minton is now the #1 Esspee to
the highest ranking pseudo-militaristic power brokers who control the
criminal cult of Scientology. What those power brokers want is policy.
That's objectively true. It would be also be true for you, Claire, if
they wanted it to be.
It doesn't matter what the Admin Dictionary says, Claire. Miscavige will
follow his own sick and twisted agenda, and his yes-men Rinder and
Jentzsch will obey.
Interfering with Bob's home, trying to ruin his marriage... Goddamned
totalitarian thugs.
>if manufacturing does take place, it is not dead agenting. It is
>manufacturing.
Wake up and smell the coffee, Claire. I don't care what you want to call
it, it's despicable for an organization claiming to be a church to try
to ruin people it has defined as enemies.
--
Michael Reuss (remove nospam from address to reply by e-mail)
Honorary Kid
Starshadow
> Starshadow wrote:
> >> > >>The thing about Dead Agenting, in their policy is "find or MANUFACTURE". In
> > > >>other words, if they don't find, or, they do find, but what they find doesn't
> > > >>push the general public's "buttons", they then have to MANUFACTURE, which
> > > >>means, get you to Dead Agent yourself.
>
> given this ng the definition before and will now do so again:
>
>
> "...used to disprove the lies. This consisted of counter-documenting
> any area where the lies were circulated. The lie 'they were' is
> countered by document showing (put emphasis on show here-cms) 'they were
> not' ... meaning getting documentary proof (my emphasis on the word
> proof-cms) that what was said was lies."
>
> tell the truth in order to counteract lies. This would not include
> manufacturing things as manufactured things are not true.
>
> manufacturing.
>
>
Claire, I did not say that. Check your attributes. My comment was at
the end of the post, about keeping the letter.
It's considered bad form to misattribute, just fyi.
Rod Keller
: I also seem to remember that Rod Keller said that he knows one of
: the trespassers, Brian, from a previous encounter when Brian was
: acting in some official capacity for the CoS. However, I could
: be mistaken about that; I'll have to go search for his earlier
: message.
I don't think the identity of any of them was known at the time of the
tresspass. Although Bob had met Gerrard Renna in Newark, his name only
became known because the PI made a complete report with the police.
Gerrard also came in to file a statement afterwards. Brian's name became
known again by the PI's report, and because the police jotted down his
license plate on the off-chance that the info might prove useful later on.
I can't see how knowing who they are is all that relevant. If you know who
your stalker is, then you can't shoot when he attacks you? If you know who
your tresspasser is, then you can't fire a warning shot?
--
Rod Keller / rke...@voicenet.com / Irresponsible Publisher
Black Hat #1 / Expert of the Toilet / CWPD Mouthpiece
The Lerma Apologist / Merchant of Chaos / Vision of Destruction
Killer Rod / OSA Patsy / Quasi-Scieno / Mental Bully
Brian Stewart
>
> In article <35C04...@facstaff.wisc.edu>,
> Brian Stewart <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote:
> [...]
> >
> >Scientology's chance of survival, as opposed to its chance of dying out
> >and being remembered as fondly as Stalin's USSR or Hitler's Germany,
> >would be much improved if the practice of harassing and attempting to
> >destroy critics would be stopped.
> >
> >(BTW, what else is trespassing and photographing someone if not
> >harrasement?)
>
> Bob Minton into over-reacting. I'm sure the results were disappointing
> to them, but, as you see, they're making the most of it.
>
> --Barbara
Well, they have managed to provoke ME! I am certain that they were
hoping Minton would be at least taken down to the police station (which
would leave his property unguarded, come to think of it). For the most
part, I have found their attempts to make the most of what happened
either humorous or completely idiotic. Claire's claims of events not
happening because they technically do not fit exactly the definition of
the name of said events has greatly lowered my respect for her.
<sigh> I think I am glad a break from the internet is coming up.
BAS-- ARSCC (wdne) dishwasher and King of Antarctica (tm)
quizara...@my-dejanews.com
claire swazey <swa...@home.com> wrote:
> Warrior wrote:
> >
> > In article <35BE690B...@home.com>, claire says...
> > >
> > >manufacturing.
> > >
> > >Claire
> >
> > "Third Partying" (creating conflicts behind persons' backs).
> >
> > It's a time-tested "successful action" employed by Scientology's
> > Guardian Office and now the Office of Special Affairs.
>
> But my point was (I'll repeat the auditing command...) that the
> definition of Dead Agent is not and was not as portrayed in that post.
>
> As I said, if anything else happens that is outside the scope of that
> definition, then it is not Dead Agenting, it is something else entirely.
>
> See what I mean?
>
> C
Let me see,
If it quacks like a duck and
it walks like a duck and
it swims like a duck but
it's blue,
it's not a duck?
btw: notice that my handle has changed, just like claire's...
I guess I'm now part of the conspiracy?!?
clarence sevdy
about her experience in Scientology.
She was in Los Angelus , then Portland Ore "orgs" in 1990 & 1991.
I asked for her permission to pass on her story,which she gave to me.
While at Superorg in L.A. she was indiscrete...she got pregnant. She was
told by those over her to make amends(I don't know Newspeak well enough
to use here) . She was ordered to get an abortion!! She refused. Then
the bullying started. She had signed a "billion year contract". Your
church promised to send her home , but after a bunch of American Nazi
wannabees kept her confined ( all day in the patio area,not in a
room,how kind they were) Then every day for three days , she
was kept in a room with 10 to 12 screaning rageing maniacs doing a
Chinese Brainwashing routine on her , with an E-meter . O.K. I believe
you Scios call this a Sec Check. Then she was "Declared", and went from
P.T.S. to S.P. status. She was promised a bus ticket to Seattle.
She had worked months for subsubsiistance. The liars put her
into a small car with a couple going to Portland Oregon. The temperature
was over 100 degrees, she was crammed into the back with baggage, books
, & papers. She was not spoken to,nor was there a rest stop.
On arrival at the Portland Org, she was taken into another room,already
frightened. She was then subjected to another nightmarish,sureal,and
extremely vicious verbal beating for a better part of 7 hours. Then sent
out onto the street,after refusing to sign some form.
When she got back to Everett we helped her to get settled,she had the
baby, and was on psych drugs for a couple of years.
I love my 7 year old granddaughter,and get mad as hell at the bastards
that almost killed her.
Ironically, I had had 5 years of your church when i was 13 to 17 years
old....thats another story, but I could not have stopped her at the time
(getting involved with Scientology) even though I had warned her of it
for years. Bob Minton is fast becomming one of my
heros.
If you reject the truth about Bob ,and/or my daughter,and the many fine
people (ex-scienos) on ARS or out in the world because their
terminology,or Jargon does not fit your concept of true Hubbardspeak ,
then that is simply insane,and you are totaly lost.
I sincerely hope this is not the case,Claire.
Clarence Sevdy
Tommy
> It's hateful. Anyone who could plan or participate in this kind of
> activity must be filled with hate. I'm actually kind of sorry for
> them.
I, OTOH, am running out of 'sorry' for these animals at a startling
rate.
Tommy
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Neal Hamel
wrote:
>Claire, My name is Clarence Sevdy. I just got my daughter to talk to me
>about her experience in Scientology.
Clarence,
Thank you very for posting the story of your daughter. I hope she and her
child are fully recovered from this experience.
The scienos point blank deny that they ever ordered abortions. This may be
true now, but I know, as is evidenced by your story and others, that at one
time they did order abortions. The problem with the scienos is that they
do lie and create Orwellian rewrites of their history to cover their
frequent criminal excesses.
I agree with your assessment of Bob Minton. He is a hero. He is under
tremendous pressure from the cult as they will continue to do anything to
shut him up. And they claim to be a religion and support the First
Amendment!
Just beware that you *may* be contacted by a member of the cult because
your story is damaging to them. You, nor your daughter do not need to say
*anything* to them. You will be much better off just to escort them off
your property as they will take anything you say and twist it. That's a
fact.
Take care.
-Neal H.
(posted and mailed)
David Gerard
wrote:
:Claire, My name is Clarence Sevdy. I just got my daughter to talk to me
:about her experience in Scientology.
I assume this will be reposted until responded to.
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claire swazey <swa...@home.com> wrote:
>Warrior wrote:
>>
>> In article <35BE690B...@home.com>, claire says...
>> >
>> >if manufacturing does take place, it is not dead agenting. It is
>> >manufacturing.
>> >
>> >Claire
>>
>> As in "manufacture" evidence. It's also called "Black PR" and
>> "Third Partying" (creating conflicts behind persons' backs).
>>
>> It's a time-tested "successful action" employed by Scientology's
>> Guardian Office and now the Office of Special Affairs.
>
>But my point was (I'll repeat the auditing command...) that the
>definition of Dead Agent is not and was not as portrayed in that post.
>
>As I said, if anything else happens that is outside the scope of that
>definition, then it is not Dead Agenting, it is something else entirely.
>
>See what I mean?
do, though THEY use the phrase. To mislead.
What they DO is, claim that they are merely uncovering the lies of their
critics when in reality, they are ignoring the truths the critics
tell and attacking the critics with lies, libels and distortions
to tarnish the critics unfairly. We have seen this lie and libel
technique used by Scientology in the pamphletting attacks and their
propaganda rags such as "freedom", one of the most misnamed propaganda
rags around. Your clam buddies do this most purposefully, with malicious
arrogance, and have been doing it for decades now.
Generally, the only defense Scientology puts out against the truths
of critics, aside from the libel attacks, is bald faced lying.
Snow White for example was an operation of renegade Scientologists
led by outside infiltraters.
You are right, there is little DA activity by Scientology.
What they do is worse.
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