Virus Alert
Thomas Lee
C:\_RESTORE\TEMP\A0097283.CPY Virus identified I-Worm/Klez.H, it was in the
email from Richard Ashton and also in the vote acknowledgement.
Was this deliberate ?
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Allen
Highly unethical but given his abuses and his character he would think
you deserving it.
I get the idea he doesn't like you ;-)
Allen
--
Allen
"The tragedy of life is not that it ends so soon, but that we wait so
long to begin it."
Linz
"kqr" <kq...@freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.17950dba9...@news.cis.dfn.de...
> [Newsgroup line ammended]
Goodness knows why. It's not relevant to uk.local.yorkshire
Newsgroups amended again.
Mark Goodge
to keyboard and typed:
>AVG has detected a virus ;
>
>
>C:\_RESTORE\TEMP\A0097283.CPY Virus identified I-Worm/Klez.H, it was in the
>email from Richard Ashton and also in the vote acknowledgement.
It might help to find out how Klez works if you want to make this
allegation convincing :-)
Mark
--
http://www.good-stuff.co.uk
"Come on you target for faraway laughter, come on you stranger,
you legend, you martyr, and shine!"
Geoff Berrow
Goodge contained the following:
>>C:\_RESTORE\TEMP\A0097283.CPY Virus identified I-Worm/Klez.H, it was in the
>>email from Richard Ashton and also in the vote acknowledgement.
>
>It might help to find out how Klez works if you want to make this
>allegation convincing :-)
Yes, Richard would never live it down would he? LOL!
--
Geoff Berrow
It's only Usenet, no one dies.
My opinions, not the committee's, mine.
Simple RFDs http://www.ckdog.co.uk/rfdmaker/
Allen
Richard Ashton wrote:
>
> The people making these allegations really need to be a bit better than the
> clueless dorks that post their false allegations here.
>
> {R}
Ricard Aston
>Better still FOAD.
>
>{R}
How plebeian.
Eat shit and choke you cunt!
Ric
Ricard Aston
>On Tue, 09 Jul 2002 21:48:45 +0100, Richard Ashton
><'{R}'@semolina.org> wrote:
>
>>In uk.net.news.config on Tue, 09 Jul 2002 19:13:37 +0100, Mark Goodge
>><ma...@good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>}On Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:02:37 +0100, Allen <Al...@Allen.as> put finger
>>}to keyboard and typed:
>>}
>>}>AVG has detected a virus ;
>>}>
>>}>C:\_RESTORE\TEMP\A0097283.CPY Virus identified I-Worm/Klez.H, it was in
>>the
>>}>email from Richard Ashton and also in the vote acknowledgement.
>>}
>>}It might help to find out how Klez works if you want to make this
>>}allegation convincing :-)
>>
>>run AVP Pro. All the mails sent out by the voting software are created
>>specially in REXX, PGP signed and sent straight to Mailtraq. It is impossible
>>for any known virus to infect my voting software.
>>
>>The people making these allegations really need to be a bit better than the
>>clueless dorks that post their false allegations here.
>
Ashton sent me
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Nothing at all.
Could this mean that he actually likes me?
:¬(
Ric
Virus Man
> I run AVP Pro.
>{R}
Then you should try using AVG Pro.
That AVP shit is obviously flawed!
Virus Man
BigAl
> The man says that AVG identifies your posts
Will AVG identify mine?
You really are a pillock aren't you?
Let us clarify so that even a fool such as yourself can understand.
The Klez worm promulgates on a known fault within Microsoft's Explorer
software but that can't be the problem as "Thomas Lee" says that it came to
him in e-mail. It can also promulgate via a fault in Outlook Express. Hey!
That's e-mail. *But*, there is a patch available that stops this happening,
as would any half-way decent anti-virus software, assuming it's up to date.
However, a moment's cursory glance shows us that {R} posts/mails using
Forte's Agent software and Klez does not, and can not, infect this. Not only
that, but a quick check shows that Gradwell uses the same software.
Which means, you daft old fruit, that "Thomas Lee" was telling a pile of
stupid porkies.
Mr Hughes. This "Thomas Lee" is now a proven liar. Your comments are?
(now here, of course, I could accurately predict a response of:
"Hello Richard ;-)" but let's see if we can't kill that one before it
happens)
BigAl
Richard Ashton
"Richard Ashton" <'{R}'@semolina.org> wrote in message
news:77vliu8fnipul9f9b...@4ax.com...
> In uk.net.news.config on Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:02:37 +0100, "Thomas Lee"
> <thom...@clara.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hello Allen
>
> }AVG has detected a virus ;
> }
> }
> }C:\_RESTORE\TEMP\A0097283.CPY Virus identified I-Worm/Klez.H, it was in
the
> }email from Richard Ashton and also in the vote acknowledgement.
>
>
> }Was this deliberate ?
>
> It didn't happen, when did I mail you. Post the headers.
>
> Better still FOAD.
>
> {R}
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From: "Richard Ashton" <r.as...@ukvoting.org.uk>
To: "Richard Ashton" <ash...@clara.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 12:51:41 +0100
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Subject: CFV for uk.current-events.{us-bombing|terrorism}
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I have had to do a complete reinstall after receiving the klez virus with
your message saying my vote was not properly completed. The vote was filled
in with my correct details and I wish to complain about your attitude on
this matter.
{RA}
Geoff Berrow
BigAl contained the following:
>However, a moment's cursory glance shows us that {R} posts/mails using
>Forte's Agent software and Klez does not, and can not, infect this.
Yes, I'm still laughing at the thought of {R} using Outlook Express...
Thomas Lee
Hash: SHA1
In message <GOKW8.54$AL4....@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net>, BigAl
<bigal...@virgin.net> writes
For the avoidance of doubt, the 'thomas lee' that is noted above has no
relation whatsoever with me. The 'thomas lee' noted above is a sock
puppet run by Allen Hughes.
Thomas
- --
Thomas Lee
(t...@psp.co.uk)
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BigAl
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> In message <GOKW8.54$AL4....@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net>, BigAl
> <bigal...@virgin.net> writes
<snippety dooh dah>
> For the avoidance of doubt, the 'thomas lee' that is noted above has
> no relation whatsoever with me. The 'thomas lee' noted above is a sock
> puppet run by Allen Hughes.
>
> Thomas
> - --
> Thomas Lee
> (t...@psp.co.uk)
>
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That's why I deliberately used the quotation marks Thomas. During my many
months of lurking it's become painfully obvious who is, and who isn't, of
value to the uk.* and I didn't want anyone to think I was deluded that the
"Thomas Lee" posting the original stupidity was the same Thomas Lee that
posts both thoughtfully and intelligently.
BigAl
BigAl
> Message-ID: <GOKW8.54$AL4....@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net> from
> BigAl contained the following:
>
>> However, a moment's cursory glance shows us that {R} posts/mails
>> using Forte's Agent software and Klez does not, and can not, infect
>> this.
>
> Yes, I'm still laughing at the thought of {R} using Outlook Express...
'Ang about old son. I use OE. But then I'm too lazy to sort out something
more "professional" so I suppose, as the cap fits :--)
BigAl
Allen
Ashton.
He should resign as a vote taker because he is obviously biased about
these voters and he has also acted in a manner not becoming a vote taker
with Ricard Ashton.
All these persons are unlucky to have the same names as some others but
like John Smith there are lots of the same names around.
Allen
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Allen
I am not Thomas Lee or Richard Ashton or indeed Ricard Ashton.
Your PGP signature indicates that you are 'A Thomas Lee' who has
obtained the relevant software to sign youremails and news posts.
There are a number of persons, over forty I have checked called Thomas
Lee, there is a gentleman called Thomas Lee who posts in this news
forum. There is also one of a number of Richard Ashtons ( God help
them).
, these are all seperate persons one or more of which have ;
a) established a posting history by posting into this group.
b) requested a ballot form from the vote taker
c) completed the form with their own particulars
d) returned the form within the time scale
e) received an acknowlegement
f) received an email from Richard Ashton the vote taker with a virus
attached.
Thomas Lee has complained here and a challenge by bully Ashton was
issued to produce the headers of the email from Ashton.
Richard Ashton also posted the headers in his email and confirmed that
he too had received a virus and had to re install completely.
Ashton criticises them both for making the statement saying it is
impossible. Given Ashtons expertise I would question that. It is
possible to use the software in his possession to transmit a virus
together with an email.
It is also possible that he has forged headers in his mailer to make it
appear he is using different programmes than that he professes to use.
Richard Ashton should resign as he has criticised voters in the course
of an election being run by himself and tried intimidating Ricard Ashton
not to vote.
You my little chickadee have the job as a member of the committee to
investigate these matters of
a) Ashton intimidating a voter
b) Ashton refusing to accept a vote from suitably qualified voters
c) Ashton ridiculing matters pertaining to a vote he is currently
involved in and trying to intimidate those persons who have properly
complained
The vote must be voided and the CFV reissued without any of the four
incorrect items it was previously issued with.
A vote taker should be requested from an organisation other than uk
voting which is endorsing Astons actions at this time.
Allen
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Thomas Lee
Hash: SHA1
In message <vhWW8.1597$F%6.7...@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net>, BigAl
<bigal...@virgin.net> writes
>That's why I deliberately used the quotation marks Thomas.
I was pretty certain, but it's hard to know.
But thanks!
> During my many months of lurking it's become painfully obvious who is,
>and who isn't, of value to the uk.* and I didn't want anyone to think I
>was deluded that the "Thomas Lee" posting the original stupidity was
>the same Thomas Lee that posts both thoughtfully and intelligently.
Thanks.
These days, however, it's hard to know. The sock puppets and other
assorted trolls make it hard sometimes to really know who is who
(especially for new users here).
Thomas
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Thomas Lee
(t...@psp.co.uk)
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Thomas Lee
"Richard Ashton" <'{R}'@semolina.org> wrote in message
news:77vliu8fnipul9f9b...@4ax.com...
> In uk.net.news.config on Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:02:37 +0100, "Thomas Lee"
> <thom...@clara.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hello Allen
>
> }
> }
> }C:\_RESTORE\TEMP\A0097283.CPY Virus identified I-Worm/Klez.H, it was in
the
> }email from Richard Ashton and also in the vote acknowledgement.
>
You go a lot on proof don't you? When people present proof you lie and
ridicule them.
>
> }Was this deliberate ?
>
> It didn't happen, when did I mail you. Post the headers.
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From: "Richard Ashton" <r.as...@ukvoting.org.uk>
To: "Thomas Lee" <thom...@clara.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 12:55:48 +0100
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Subject: CFV for uk.current-events.{us-bombing|terrorism}
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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Whilst checking the validity of your vote reproduced below:
Ballot Id: 33f67188f283fc30
Name: [ Thomas Lee]
Address: [thom...@clara.co.uk ]
A: [ 1] Recharter and keep uk.current-events.us-bombing
B: [ ] Recharter and keep uk.current-events.us-bombing
C: [ ] Remove uk.current-events.us-bombing AND create new unmoderated
D: [ ] Remove uk.current-events.us-bombing AND create new unmoderated
E: [ ] Re-Open Discussion
F: [ ] Remove uk.current-events.us-bombing (Status Quo, see NOTE below)
You have not correctly entered your 'normal usenet name' on your ballot
paper.
As votetaker applying the rubric set out for this vote on the ballot
paper I must regrettably disallow your ballot.
In the event that you have made a mistake, please vote again.
Regards
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>
> Better still FOAD.
Hardly an appropriate response to a voter from the person officiating at
that vote is it. I posted to tell you that there was a virus being
transmitted and to inform others that they may receive a virus from you
>
> {R}
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Dave Fawthrop
Hash: SHA1
"Allen" <Al...@Allen.as> wrote in message
news:3D2C2CB8...@Allen.as...
| Here we have two persons now who state they have got a virus sent by
| Ashton.
Well I get several viruses sent per week :-(
Such a common occurrence that it costs me say a minute per week, plus
IIRC 5USD per year. BTW I use Norton Anti Virus.
I strongly suspect that one or several of Allen's gang of pirates send
them, but complaining would take more effort than fielding them. That
includes teaching both June and Clare to deal with them.
- --
Dave Fawthrop <da...@hyphenologist.co.uk> Killfile and Anti Troll FAQs
at http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile.
My posts are PGP signed. PK 0x765AB578
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Thomas Lee
Hash: SHA1
In message <3D2C37C8...@Allen.as>, Allen <Al...@Allen.as> writes
>Your PGP signature indicates that you are 'A Thomas Lee' who has
>obtained the relevant software to sign youremails and news posts.
I do not generally sign my emails (or news posts). I do occasionally
sign some, but only for the avoidance of doubt. And lately, your
forgeries have made this increasingly necessary.
Also, note that my public key has been in circulation for some time,
both on my web site and on every PGP server I've been able to find. This
was done long before you started creating mischief here. It is sad that
I have to resort to signing post so as to ensure folks are not tricked
by your forgeries.
>There are a number of persons, over forty I have checked called Thomas
>Lee,
None of them post here. You are the only other person to post using my
name.
>there is a gentleman called Thomas Lee who posts in this news
>forum.
Only one legitimate one. The other who claims my name is not a
gentleman.
>f) received an email from Richard Ashton the vote taker with a virus
>attached.
You have not provided any proof of this. As usual.
>The vote must be voided and the CFV reissued without any of the four
>incorrect items it was previously issued with.
No chance.
At least not based on the 'evidence' you have presented thus far.
In case you had not noticed, this place runs on 'best efforts'. We +all+
mistakes from time to time and while these are regrettable, we try to
use a little common sense when deciding how to handle them.
Thomas
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Thomas Lee
(t...@psp.co.uk)
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Mark Goodge
to keyboard and typed:
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> for ash...@clara.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 13:51:42 +0100
>From: "Richard Ashton" <r.as...@ukvoting.org.uk>
>To: "Richard Ashton" <ash...@clara.co.uk>
>Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 12:51:41 +0100
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>Subject: CFV for uk.current-events.{us-bombing|terrorism}
>Message-ID: <SMLN866...@semolina.org>
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>X-Envelope-To: ash...@clara.co.uk
Thank you for posting these headers. If accurate, they conclusively
prove that the email associated with them could not possibly have
contained a virus.
Mark
--
http://www.good-stuff.co.uk
"I let the melody shine, let it cleanse my mind, I feel free now"
Mark Goodge
typed:
>
>It is also possible that he has forged headers in his mailer to make it
>appear he is using different programmes than that he professes to use.
It is possible. However, he cannot forge the headers added by the
recipient's mail server and client, and he cannot forge the headers to
make it look like a plain text email when it's actually carrying a
binary or HTML section.
Of course, if you knew anything about email and viruses, you'd know
that. Even if you didn't know that, it would have been sensible to
make the effort to find out before trying to make tthis kind of
allegation.
This error is so elementary, in fact, that I can only see two possible
reasons for it:
1. Allen really is is so incredibly stupid that he thought his
forgeries would be convincing.
2. Allen doesn't care about being convincing; he just wants to be as
much of a nuisance as possible and has pretty much given up any
pretence of having justification.
My guess is that the second of these is the closest to the truth. But
I wouldn't rule out the first.
Mark
--
http://www.good-stuff.co.uk
"I believe in the kingdom come, then all the colours will bleed
into one"
BigAl
> <uk.net.news.config , BigAl , bigal...@virgin.net>
>
>>> Yes, I'm still laughing at the thought of {R} using Outlook
>>> Express...
>>
>> 'Ang about old son. I use OE. But then I'm too lazy to sort out
>> something more "professional" so I suppose, as the cap fits :--)
>>
>
> recommended .
Cheers. I was thinking of trying Forte as I'm in the process of setting up
my own company repairing/building/training in the use of PCs and I didn't
want any business useage exposed to the frailties of Microsoft (though I
can't avoid Windows and Office as I'm targeting the home user rather than
business). I'll try "calypso" as well this coming weekend.
Thanks again.
BigAl
ps
CCS = 1970s band formed by the late Alexis Korner perchance? Given your sig
and the band acronym standing for Collective Consciousness Society it seems
likely.Or is this "old hat"?
Allen
planet
Allem
Richard Ashton wrote:
>
> In uk.net.news.config on Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:12:30 +0100, "Thomas Lee"
> <thom...@clara.co.uk> wrote:
>
> }You go a lot on proof don't you? When people present proof you lie and
> }ridicule them.
>
> Never if they produce proof, Allen ( that is you BTW ) has never produced any
> proof.
>
> }Return-path: <r.as...@ukvoting.org.uk>
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> } for thom...@clara.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 13:55:49 +0100
> }From: "Richard Ashton" <r.as...@ukvoting.org.uk>
> }To: "Thomas Lee" <thom...@clara.co.uk>
> }Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 12:55:48 +0100
> }MIME-Version: 1.0
> }Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> }Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> }Subject: CFV for uk.current-events.{us-bombing|terrorism}
> }Message-ID: <SMLN866...@semolina.org>
> }X-Hops: 1
> }X-Envelope-To: thom...@clara.co.uk
> }X-claradeliver-Version: 4.14.8
> }X-UIDL: 1026046560.12714.oceanus.uk.clara.net
> }X-RCPT: thomaslee
> }Status: U
>
> These headers show that there was no attachment to the post.
> }MIME-Version: 1.0
> }Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> }Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
> }-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> }Hash: SHA1
> [....]
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>
> This PGP body is valid therefore there can be no virus or payload.
> *** PGP Signature Status: good
> *** Signer: Richard Ashton <r.as...@ukvoting.org.uk>>
> *** Signed: 07/07/02 12:55:48
> *** Verified: 10/07/02 14:38:09
>
> }>
> }> Better still FOAD.
>
> }Hardly an appropriate response to a voter from the person officiating at
> }that vote is it.
>
> Perfectly appropriate response to a lying sockpuppet, like you Allen.
>
> I will tell you what! Will you give Clara your permission to reveal the
> account name behind this person, AND if it is you tell us?
>
> }I posted to tell you that there was a virus being
> }transmitted and to inform others that they may receive a virus from you
>
> The headers and body you have posted *prove* beyond any doubt that there
> cannot have been a virus in that mail.
>
> Why do you falsely claim there was?
>
> --
> {R} speaking as a member of, but not for UK Voting.
Thomas Lee
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In message <102631036...@iris.uk.clara.net>, Thomas Lee
<thom...@clara.co.uk> writes
>You go a lot on proof don't you?
Yes, we do.
> When people present proof you lie and
>ridicule them.
You've never provided a shred of proof Allen, so how would you know?
> {snip headers and message}
The headers show quite convincingly that there was no virus in this
message.
>You have not correctly entered your 'normal usenet name' on your ballot
>paper.
>> Better still FOAD.
>
>Hardly an appropriate response to a voter from the person officiating at
>that vote is it. I posted to tell you that there was a virus being
>transmitted and to inform others that they may receive a virus from you
I can not condone {R}'s forthright style, but his point is clear. Allen,
you did not get a virus from the post you quote and have lied about it.
Thomas
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Thomas Lee
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Allen
Lee and Richard Ashton.
Message-ID: <102627704...@dyke.uk.clara.net>
Message-ID: <102631036...@iris.uk.clara.net>
Only you want to try telling people that I am those two people don't you
panshine.
Allen
Richard Ashton wrote:
>
> In uk.net.news.config on Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:25:03 +0100, Mark Goodge
> Indeed they are 100% accurate. Anybody in any doubt that Allen is lying about
> his claim that these two, only out of the many Acks sent, had a Klez Virus
> should read. http://www.sophos.co.uk/virusinfo/analyses/w32klezh.html
>
> It may be safely concluded that Allen is a liar, was anyone in doubt ?
>
> Interested voters may wish ask how Allen came by these headers ?
Jeffrey Goldberg
in <vpuoiugeo1hln20ts...@4ax.com>:
> On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:57:10 +0100, Allen <al...@allen.as> put finger
> to keyboard and typed:
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> Thank you for posting these headers. If accurate, they conclusively
> prove that the email associated with them could not possibly have
> contained a virus.
I concur. Such a message could not have included Klez or any varient of
it.
-j
--
Jeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/
Relativism is the triumph of authority over truth, convention over justice
I rarely read top-posted, over-quoting or HTML postings.
Allen
Of course you would be because of using them for your forgeries and
cancels.
I don't use them.
A certain lady here requested details of DUN from me some time ago,
maybe she could verify that there is no Claranet DUN in the list ?
Perhaps you could try some other bamboozling techniques on your half
baked mates but you don't wash with me.
Allen
Richard Ashton wrote:
>
> In uk.net.news.config on Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:35:35 +0100, Allen
> <Al...@Allen.as> wrote:
>
> }In the same way you came across them. They were posted here by Thomas
> }Lee and Richard Ashton.
> }
> }Message-ID: <102627704...@dyke.uk.clara.net>
> }
> }Message-ID: <102631036...@iris.uk.clara.net>
> }
> }
> }Only you want to try telling people that I am those two people don't you
> }panshine.
>
> You are. If you are not then contact the two "persons" and get them to prove
> it, why are you doing it for them.
>
> You really should not piss about with stuff you don't understand:
>
> First: Two people, and only two, according to you get a virus that all the
> experts here say is impossible. You want to find some other experts go ahead.
>
> Second: You are saying that "richard ashton" and "thomas lee" must be
> different because they have different Right Hand Sides on the Message-ID. You
> really should not try playing games with experts.
>
> The two Clara net machines have these IP Addresses
>
> iris.uk.clara.net A (Address) 195.8.68.207
> dyke.uk.clara.net A (Address) 195.8.68.206
>
> Now your news client is *never* set to use a single IP address, well you might
> because you are a moron, the Clara Net news server is news.clara.net and this
> is what you enter in the Server field, yes?
>
> These are the IP addresses of news.clara.net
> Dig news.clara.net@
> Recursive queries supported by this server
> Query for news.clara.net type=255 class=1
> news.clara.net A (Address) 195.8.68.215
> news.clara.net A (Address) 195.8.68.217
> news.clara.net A (Address) 195.8.68.218
> news.clara.net A (Address) 195.8.68.205
> news.clara.net A (Address) 195.8.68.206
> news.clara.net A (Address) 195.8.68.207
>
> Now which one you get is decided essentially at random by processes you would
> not understand if I explained them.
>
> The fact that "richard ashton" and "thomas lee" got different news servers is
> pure chance, sunshine,
>
> What a clueless fuckwit you are.
>
> I hear you saying. Ah but I used news.claranews.com, to which I reply:
>
> Query for news.claranews.com type=255 class=1
> news.claranews.com CNAME (Canonical Name) news.clara.net
>
> Fuck your luck if you don't know what a CNAME is.
>
> Give it up liar.
>
> {R}
> --
> Do not be fooled. Allen Hughes <al...@allen.as> is a proven liar, a proven
> vote fraud. He claims the Committee and UKVoting are corrupt, there is no
> proof. The only proof is that Allen Hughes runs many sock puppets. He is a
> coward and uses these sock puppets to promote his lies. Do not be fooled.
> Read whole truth about Allen. www.TheLyingCuntAllen.co.uk [growing daily]
Allen
With Ashton there is nothing to take as read.
He is a snake in the grass
Allen
--
Cap'n Pugwash
"Dave Fawthrop" <hyp...@hyphenologist.co.uk> wrote in message
news:aghg37$l8kr6$1...@ID-88541.news.dfncis.de...
Mark Goodge
Allen wrote:
> Perhaps you could try some other bamboozling techniques on your half
> baked mates but you don't wash with me.
Nothing washes with you. We've known that for ages. The point Richard is
making is that your allegations don't wash with anyone else.
Mark
SomeBlokeCalledRapunzelSyndrome
> You have my admiration for the way you stand up against the lunatics running
> this whole uk usenet charade.
Anybody who doesn't like uk.* is at liberty to set up their own
hierarchy. If existing news admins won't take it in their feed, it's
not exactly hard to set up your own newsserver(s).
What happened to free.* anyway? Is it still going?
BigAl
> <uk.net.news.config , BigAl , bigal...@virgin.net>
>
>
> Its pretty good & you wont be disappointed once you learn to use , On
> the rare chance if gives you trouble while learning it - just close
> it down and fire it up again .
ta. Molly M has kindly e-mailed me off-line to tell me of "Turnpike" (which
I had forgotten about) so I'll be loading that up as well on a different PC
and doing a bit of bench-marking. Wouldn't it be fun if OE shows up as the
best :--)
>> Thanks again.
>>
>> BigAl
>>
>> ps
>> CCS = 1970s band formed by the late Alexis Korner perchance? Given
>> your sig and the band acronym standing for Collective Consciousness
>> Society it seems likely.Or is this "old hat"?
>>
>
> I guess CCS could stand for many things .
And aren't I the pillock this time. Should have paid *more* attention to the
sig. Just shows how much music is part of me life I suppose.
Ta again.
BigAl
Thomas Lee
<bigal...@virgin.net> writes
>Molly M has kindly e-mailed me off-line to tell me of "Turnpike" (which
>I had forgotten about) so I'll be loading that up as well on a different PC
>and doing a bit of bench-marking. Wouldn't it be fun if OE shows up as the
>best :--)
Turnpike is a good news/mail client. But remember, benchmarks generally
show what you want them to!
And if you are using virgin.net, turnpike will not be free, which is
something to consider. Personally, I've been using Turnpike for over 7
years and would not consider switching!
Thomas
--
Thomas Lee
(t...@psp.co.uk)
Chris Croughton
<t...@psp.co.uk> wrote:
>These days, however, it's hard to know. The sock puppets and other
>assorted trolls make it hard sometimes to really know who is who
>(especially for new users here).
For new users, probably. I go on style and frequently don't even look
at the headers until after reading the message (and then will think "who
is this idiot?" and when I read the headers find it was myself <g>).
It's something I've done ever since I've been reading Usenet, and I
suppose approximates Dave J's "assumption of anonymity", in that I
generally don't know who the message is from until after I've read it
and already formed an opinion about it.
(Your style is nothing like "Thomas Lee"'s. Well, OK, it uses similar
letters...)
Chris C
BigAl
> In message <VwdX8.487$Ro6....@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net>, BigAl
> <bigal...@virgin.net> writes
>
>> Molly M has kindly e-mailed me off-line to tell me of "Turnpike"
>> (which I had forgotten about) so I'll be loading that up as well on
>> a different PC and doing a bit of bench-marking. Wouldn't it be fun
>> if OE shows up as the best :--)
>
> Turnpike is a good news/mail client. But remember, benchmarks
> generally show what you want them to!
> And if you are using virgin.net, turnpike will not be free, which is
> something to consider.
Thinking about it it would be hard to truly benchmark something like this;
I'll just have to compare usability. Or I would, but, CCS, it would appear
that "calypso", in the form you speak of, is dead. The Tucows link exists no
more and the MCS web page only refers to a much "fuller" product which, like
"Turnpike" is chargeable. I'm not bothered about buying one of them (and
"calypso" gives a 30 day free trial; haven't checked on "Turnpike" nor on
pricing for either as yet) but I don't wish to purchase both. Unemployment,
sadly, means some restrictions in expenditure.
> Personally, I've been using Turnpike for over 7
> years and would not consider switching!
A good recommendation and, as I told Molly, it was highly thought of by
people on upsd in the days I was a contributor there.
> Thomas
BigAl
Colin Blackburn
bigal...@virgin.net says...
> Thinking about it it would be hard to truly benchmark something like this;
> I'll just have to compare usability. Or I would, but, CCS, it would appear
> that "calypso", in the form you speak of, is dead. The Tucows link exists no
> more and the MCS web page only refers to a much "fuller" product which, like
> "Turnpike" is chargeable. I'm not bothered about buying one of them (and
> "calypso" gives a 30 day free trial; haven't checked on "Turnpike" nor on
> pricing for either as yet) but I don't wish to purchase both. Unemployment,
> sadly, means some restrictions in expenditure.
Gravity is now free AFAIK and IMHO well worth a look at, though it is
just a newsreader.
Colin
Zonky
news:3xfX8.1480$Ro6.1...@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net:
> Or I would, but, CCS, it would appear
> that "calypso", in the form you speak of, is dead. The Tucows link
> exists no more and the MCS web page only refers to a much "fuller"
> product which, like "Turnpike" is chargeable. I'm not bothered about
> buying one of them (and "calypso" gives a 30 day free trial; haven't
> checked on "Turnpike" nor on pricing for either as yet) but I don't
> wish to purchase both. Unemployment, sadly, means some restrictions in
> expenditure.
>
http://www.ouisoft.com/calypso.htm
Has Calypso for download.
Z.
--
Please remove my_pants when replying by email.
Thomas Lee
<bigal...@virgin.net> writes
>Thinking about it it would be hard to truly benchmark something like
>this; I'll just have to compare usability.
This too is not without problems. I've been using Turnpike for 7 years
and there are places where the usability are, shall we say, curious. For
example, consider adding a new newsgroup to the set of groups you carry.
First, you need to use the Configure?Newsgroups dialog to get the group
collected. Then you have to actually add the group to the list of those
you can read. I find this very non-intuitive.
>Or I would, but, CCS, it would appear that "calypso", in the form you
>speak of, is dead. The Tucows link exists no more and the MCS web page
>only refers to a much "fuller" product which, like "Turnpike" is
>chargeable. I'm not bothered about buying one of them (and "calypso"
>gives a 30 day free trial; haven't checked on "Turnpike" nor on pricing
>for either as yet) but I don't wish to purchase both.
IIRC, there's an eval version of turnpike, but see
demon.ip.support.turnpike for more details.
>> Personally, I've been using Turnpike for over 7
>> years and would not consider switching!
>
>A good recommendation and, as I told Molly, it was highly thought of by
>people on upsd in the days I was a contributor there.
One last point - there is a bit of a learning curve. BUT, the demon
newsgroup noted above is outstandingly helpful when answering 'how do I
do this' type questions!
Brian {Hamilton Kelly}
jeffre...@goldmark.org "Jeffrey Goldberg" writes:
> On Jul 10, 2002 Mark Goodge <ma...@good-stuff.co.uk> wrote
> in <vpuoiugeo1hln20ts...@4ax.com>:
>
> > On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:57:10 +0100, Allen <al...@allen.as> put finger
> > to keyboard and typed:
>
> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> > Thank you for posting these headers. If accurate, they conclusively
> > prove that the email associated with them could not possibly have
> > contained a virus.
>
> I concur. Such a message could not have included Klez or any varient of
> it.
Thus proving that L stands for Lying; it also shows that L stands for
Libellous, since he has made accusations that Richard has committed a
criminal deed, contrary to the Computer Misuse Act.
At the very least, Richard should be getting TLCA's ISP/newsmaster to
have his posting rights suspended, pending publication of an apology.
I'm sure that Laurence could assist Richard in bringing suit against TLCA
as well.
--
Brian {Hamilton Kelly} b...@dsl.co.uk
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one of
distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being incr-
easingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
James Coupe
writes:
>First, you need to use the Configure?Newsgroups dialog to get the group
>collected. Then you have to actually add the group to the list of those
>you can read. I find this very non-intuitive.
Not here you don't.
Right Click in your newsgroup folder. New -> Newsgroup. Follow
prompts. Select the newsgroup from "All". Next.
Do you want to subscribe? Yes.
Only if you've fiddled with permissions do you have to do things in
pieces.
--
James Coupe
PGP 0x5D623D5D I am woman. Here, me raw.
EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2
13D7E668C3695D623D5D
BigAl
Can I just say thanks to one and all for their advice, updated links etc.
Unfortunately the last couple of days have been in hiatus so I've not
started yet. Last question for anybody. I'm putting tests up on a 450mhz
machine (ME), on a 233mhz (98 SE) and on a 366mhz laptop (also ME). Would
any of the recommended newsreaders have a problem on any of this kit? I
would doubt it but you never know.
Thanks again.
BigAl
Thomas Lee
<bigal...@virgin.net> writes
>Can I just say thanks to one and all for their advice, updated links
>etc. Unfortunately the last couple of days have been in hiatus so I've
>not started yet. Last question for anybody. I'm putting tests up on a
>450mhz machine (ME), on a 233mhz (98 SE) and on a 366mhz laptop (also
>ME). Would any of the recommended newsreaders have a problem on any of
>this kit? I would doubt it but you never know.
Personally, I've not used ME or Win98 much. I'm more of an NT/2000/XP
guy. For me, 450mhz and 256mb of Ram is a very lower limit of acceptable
performance. This is irrespective of the news client. YMMV.
The main windows based newsreaders I'm familiar with are:
Agent/Free Agent
Gravity
Netscape
Outlook Express
Turnpike
I'd guess this makes up 95% of the clients in use (but no doubt someone
will come along with more precise stats....). But there are a load of
others, less know. I've played with pine and xnews, and a few others.
For me, the choice of client is about simplicity. I like having a
2-in-one client. On this basis, Gravity loses out - it's a great news
client, but does not do mail. I also love Turnpike's ability to convert
mailing lists into threaded 'news' groups.
Your choice of newsreader is also a 'political' statement. Microsoft's
OE, rightly in my view, does not have a great reputation for being the
most standards compliant and clueful of newsreaders.
Turnpike, on the other hand, is much more standards compliant and seems
to exemplify the old Internet spirit of being strict with what is sent,
and generous with what is received. SO you can't reply to a news article
by news and mail (without doing more work), you can't send HTML mails
(even though you can read them reasonably well.)
And I enjoy being effectively immune to some of the high profile
viruses/worms that afflict OE users.
Best of luck in your quest.
HTH.
Allen
Where's your PGP ? ;-)
Thomas Lee wrote:
>
> Best of luck in your quest.
>
Dave Hillam
MID<EM%X8.2054$5A5.1...@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net>:
>Last question for anybody. I'm putting tests up on a 450mhz
>machine (ME), on a 233mhz (98 SE) and on a 366mhz laptop (also ME). Would
>any of the recommended newsreaders have a problem on any of this kit? I
>would doubt it but you never know.
I've been running Agent on a 233Mhz laptop (W98SE) for quite some time
now, without any performance problems (text newsgroups only); e-mail
client of choice is The Bat <http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/> (usual
disclaimers), also no problems.
HTH
--
Dave Hillam
"Then old Nobodaddy aloft, Farted & belchd & coughd
And said: I love hanging & drawing & quartering
Every bit as well as war & slaughtering"
Barny
Kelly}) wrote:
>In article <Pine.LNX.4.44.02071...@lehel.goldmark.private>
> jeffre...@goldmark.org "Jeffrey Goldberg" writes:
>
>> On Jul 10, 2002 Mark Goodge <ma...@good-stuff.co.uk> wrote
>> in <vpuoiugeo1hln20ts...@4ax.com>:
>>
>> > On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:57:10 +0100, Allen <al...@allen.as> put finger
>> > to keyboard and typed:
>>
>> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> > Thank you for posting these headers. If accurate, they conclusively
>> > prove that the email associated with them could not possibly have
>> > contained a virus.
>>
>> I concur. Such a message could not have included Klez or any varient of
>> it.
>
>Thus proving that L stands for Lying; it also shows that L stands for
>Libellous, since he has made accusations that Richard has committed a
>criminal deed, contrary to the Computer Misuse Act.
>
>At the very least, Richard should be getting TLCA's ISP/newsmaster to
>have his posting rights suspended, pending publication of an apology.
>I'm sure that Laurence could assist Richard in bringing suit against TLCA
>as well.
You stupid fucker.