Estimated Speed of Sun in Orbit of Galaxy When Galaxy Not Isolated From Universe
G. L. Bradford Jr.
from the center of the galaxy. According to the rotational period of the
galaxy, the Sun--at a usually estimated velocity of about 220km/s--orbits
the galaxy once every 250,000,000 years (the longest estimate given).
Here is the problem. Center of the Milky Way galaxy to the so-called Big
Bang horizon is a radius somewhere in the range of about 12 to 14 or more
billion light years in straight lines out in every direction from the center
including straight through the almost circular orbit of the Sun around the
galactic center. Within that vastly greater radius is the radial distance of
the Sun (in light years) from the center of the galaxy, or 34,000 light
years. Pi(r^2)=3,629,840,000 light years for circuit distance to be traveled
(where radius equals 34,000 light years). That circuit distance figure
divided by 250,000,000 years equals 14.51936 times the speed of light for
the Sun's velocity in orbit of the galaxy when disregarding the internal
rotational periodicity of the galaxy--which itself is an isolation of this
galaxy by astronomers, cosmologists, and physicists, from the universe at
large. When not just simply disregarding the synchronized whole of the
observable universe at large--when one refuses to isolate the galaxy from
the universe as if the universe doesn't have anything to do with this galaxy
in this picture of Sun's velocity--the velocity of the Sun in orbit of the
center of the galaxy radically changes from 220km/s to 14.5 times the speed
of light through the circle, through the circumference, of the orbit.
Now if one wants to include the entire universe as orbiting at
mind-boggling speeds faster than the speed of light around the center of
this galaxy--as the center of the whole universe in rotation around our
galactic center, then the speed of the Sun in orbit of the center of the
galaxy drops to 220km/s with regard to the entire universe as well.
Jan Oort and everyone since looked only inside to the "spacetime
continuum" existing in the distance between Sun and center of galaxy never
bothering to coordinate the radius and distance of circumference and the
time of one complete orbit with the universe outside of this tiny picture
taken entirely in isolation from nearby Andromeda, say, and the whole rest
of the universe with it outside the internal rotational periodicity. Between
Andromeda's center, for example, and the center of our galaxy is the
bisection that is the nearly circular circumference (3,629,840,000 light
years) of the Sun's orbit of the center of our galaxy 34,000 light years in
radial distance out from the center. Take the two as two fixed points to one
another, even add a third for the blackhole center of the next nearest
galaxy out in distance from the Milky Way for a fixed triangulation of
center points, in doing this dropping the internal periodicity of the Milky
Way, radically speeds up orbital velocities for each complete orbit through
the distances of circumferences--such as the Sun's.
Of course in doing this the way I did it, I fixed the speed of time
(250,000,000 years) to the speed of light (for a ratio of 1 year to1 light
year, or one year of time equals one light year's distance in space), since
so many figure the speed of light is the speed of time or there would be no
"spacetime continuum" otherwise. I just divided distance to be traveled in
the line of the circle by the preset time of travel (gleaned from galactic
periodicity) to complete one circuit. I moved up one level of coordinate
point surface and looked from it back and down at the Sun's orbital distance
and velocity from a frame of reference of more dimensions. I added greater,
larger, dimensionality to the picture already [partly] dimensioned and the
Sun's velocity within the greater total dimensionality took a quantum leap
upward.
Brad
John Zinni
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> The Sun is estimated to be about a distance of 34,000 light years
distance
> from the center of the galaxy. According to the rotational period of the
> galaxy, the Sun--at a usually estimated velocity of about 220km/s--orbits
> the galaxy once every 250,000,000 years (the longest estimate given).
>
> Here is the problem. Center of the Milky Way galaxy to the so-called Big
> Bang horizon is a radius somewhere in the range of about 12 to 14 or more
> billion light years in straight lines out in every direction from the
center
> including straight through the almost circular orbit of the Sun around the
> galactic center. Within that vastly greater radius is the radial distance
of
> the Sun (in light years) from the center of the galaxy, or 34,000 light
> years. Pi(r^2)=3,629,840,000 light years for circuit distance to be
traveled
> (where radius equals 34,000 light years).
[the rest of your gibberish aside for the moment ...]
the circumference of a circle is 2*Pi*r ...
... NOT Pi(r^2)
Dirk Van de moortel
"John Zinni" <j_z...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:zctVa.2748$537.4...@news20.bellglobal.com...
How sad :-(
Title: "Bradford's Estimated Speed of Sun in Orbit of Galaxy"
http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/CircuitSpeed.html
Thanks for having found this little jewel.
I specially like it because of his dramatic final conclusion.
Dirk Vdm
John Zinni
in message news:3f268d3c$1...@usenet01.boi.hp.com...
Hi Dirk
Deep down I know he is just trolling (I hope, no one could actually be this
stupid, could they???) but sometimes the temptation to point out these
blatant errors is just too great.
Dirk Van de moortel
"John Zinni" <j_z...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:OYvVa.3169$Cx4.4...@news20.bellglobal.com...
> "Dirk Van de moortel" <dirkvand...@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote
> in message news:3f268d3c$1...@usenet01.boi.hp.com...
> >
> > "John Zinni" <j_z...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:zctVa.2748$537.4...@news20.bellglobal.com...
[snip]
> > > the circumference of a circle is 2*Pi*r ...
> > >
> > > ... NOT Pi(r^2)
> >
> > How sad :-(
> > Title: "Bradford's Estimated Speed of Sun in Orbit of Galaxy"
> > http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/CircuitSpeed.html
> > Thanks for having found this little jewel.
> > I specially like it because of his dramatic final conclusion.
> >
> > Dirk Vdm
>
> Hi Dirk
>
> Deep down I know he is just trolling (I hope, no one could actually be this
> stupid, could they???
Oh yes, they can. It's that lethal combination of
ignorance, arrogance, trolling and stupidity.
> ) but sometimes the temptation to point out these
> blatant errors is just too great.
Keep 'em coming :-)
Dirk Vdm
Paul Cardinale
> from the center of the galaxy. According to the rotational period of the
> galaxy, the Sun--at a usually estimated velocity of about 220km/s--orbits
> the galaxy once every 250,000,000 years (the longest estimate given).
>
> Here is the problem. Center of the Milky Way galaxy to the so-called Big
> Bang horizon is a radius somewhere in the range of about 12 to 14 or more
> billion light years
Not just from the center of the Milky Way, but from everywhere.
> in straight lines out in every direction from the center
> including straight through the almost circular orbit of the Sun around the
> galactic center. Within that vastly greater radius is the radial distance of
> the Sun (in light years) from the center of the galaxy, or 34,000 light
> years. Pi(r^2)=3,629,840,000 light years for circuit distance to be traveled
> (where radius equals 34,000 light years).
Where did you learn geometry? Circumference = 2 * pi * r, not pi * r^2.
That gives a circuit size of about 214,000 light years.
> That circuit distance figure
> divided by 250,000,000 years equals 14.51936 times the speed of light for
> the Sun's velocity in orbit of the galaxy
If you do the math right, you don't get bizarre answers.
> when disregarding the internal
> rotational periodicity of the galaxy--which itself is an isolation of this
> galaxy by astronomers, cosmologists, and physicists, from the universe at
> large.
Huh? Are you on drugs?
> When not just simply disregarding the synchronized whole of the
> observable universe at large--when one refuses to isolate the galaxy from
> the universe as if the universe doesn't have anything to do with this galaxy
> in this picture of Sun's velocity--the velocity of the Sun in orbit of the
> center of the galaxy radically changes from 220km/s to 14.5 times the speed
> of light through the circle, through the circumference, of the orbit.
>
You are on drugs.
> Now if one wants to include the entire universe as orbiting at
> mind-boggling speeds faster than the speed of light around the center of
> this galaxy--as the center of the whole universe in rotation around our
> galactic center, then the speed of the Sun in orbit of the center of the
> galaxy drops to 220km/s with regard to the entire universe as well.
>
Strong drugs.
[snipped remaing delusions]
Paul Cardinale
G. L. Bradford Jr.
"John Zinni" <j_z...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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You are right. I got to wondering why, when I read about the drift of the
Sun in its orbit of the galaxy above and below the plane seems to follow
over a seeming 3-dimensional global surface area of galaxy that looks to be
close, if not the same, figure(s) as the estimated 1-dimensional radius of
the universe. Then, tired, I went far too far out in backing back through
looking for why. That it why I threw it out here.
Now tell me why 4pi(r^2) would not be the surface area of the Sun's
seeming 3-dimensional drift from the 2-dimensional plane. Also, tell me why
when seen from a greater, and ever greater, distance away the Sun will
appear to back up through its positional histories, going in reverse through
the circle. It cannot and will not stay in its position in positional
history or move forward. The distance in space and time between true
position, or position here and now, and this false positioning will magnify
geometrically. It will look like the Sun is moving faster than the speed of
time, of light, through history, left or right through the plane, and up or
down perpendicular to the plane, whether one is closing or opening the
distance in space, shrinking a triangulation between traveler's position,
true position of the Sun, and false positioning of the Sun, or opening the
triangulation (expanding or contracting the globe). Only one factor will
change in the changing geometry and it will change either positively or
negatively in an accelerating manner.
Still, this was not the way to go about it. Weinberg said a new math was
needed, not a radical distortion of old math.
Brad
John Zinni
>
> "John Zinni" <j_z...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:zctVa.2748$537.4...@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > "G. L. Bradford Jr." <glbr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:0woVa.6236$YN5.8045@sccrnsc01...
[snip]
> Now tell me why ...
This would seem to imply that you're asking a question, but I can't (for the
life of me) figure out what it is. Sorry
[snip]
G. L. Bradford Jr.
I happened to think, long after I replied, that I did do it right when I
forcibly reduced a higher order (4pi(r^2)) to a lower order (1pi(r^2)) of
exactly the same surface, to make use of in a different way, and I should
not have backed off so quickly or timidly as I did. But meanwhile I
certainly have you to thank for making me think a lot harder into what I was
actually doing then, where I was actually going. So thanks anyway though
this is probably the last thing you were looking for.
Brad
John Zinni
[snip]
> I happened to think, long after I replied, that I did do it right when I
> forcibly reduced a higher order (4pi(r^2)) to a lower order (1pi(r^2)) of
> exactly the same surface,
???
(4pi(r^2)) and (1pi(r^2)) are of the same order.
[snip]
> But meanwhile I
> certainly have you to thank for making me think a lot harder into what I
was
> actually doing then, where I was actually going. So thanks anyway though
> this is probably the last thing you were looking for.
Your welcome.
I would urge you to attempt to think EVEN harder than you already have.
Thinking harder never hurt anyone (... not seriously, anyway).
Double-A
> "G. L. Bradford Jr." <glbr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<0woVa.6236$YN5.8045@sccrnsc01>...
> > The Sun is estimated to be about a distance of 34,000 light years distance
> > from the center of the galaxy. According to the rotational period of the
> > galaxy, the Sun--at a usually estimated velocity of about 220km/s--orbits
> > the galaxy once every 250,000,000 years (the longest estimate given).
> >
> > Here is the problem. Center of the Milky Way galaxy to the so-called Big
> > Bang horizon is a radius somewhere in the range of about 12 to 14 or more
> > billion light years
>
> Not just from the center of the Milky Way, but from everywhere.
>
> > in straight lines out in every direction from the center
> > including straight through the almost circular orbit of the Sun around the
> > galactic center. Within that vastly greater radius is the radial distance of
> > the Sun (in light years) from the center of the galaxy, or 34,000 light
> > years. Pi(r^2)=3,629,840,000 light years for circuit distance to be traveled
> > (where radius equals 34,000 light years).
>
> Where did you learn geometry? Circumference = 2 * pi * r, not pi * r^2.
> That gives a circuit size of about 214,000 light years.
>
When he can't even get the 6th grade math right, it sure blows the
credibility of the rest of his post, doesn't it?
Double-A
Joe Fischer
: "John Zinni" <j_z...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
:> This would seem to imply that you're asking a question, but I can't (for
:> the life of me) figure out what it is. Sorry
:> [snip]
:
: I happened to think, long after I replied, that I did do it right when I
: forcibly reduced a higher order (4pi(r^2)) to a lower order (1pi(r^2)) of
: exactly the same surface, to make use of in a different way, and I should
: not have backed off so quickly or timidly as I did. But meanwhile I
: certainly have you to thank for making me think a lot harder into what I was
: actually doing then, where I was actually going. So thanks anyway though
: this is probably the last thing you were looking for.
Get a web cam and let us see you drool and
roll your eyes back in your head when you say that,
good comedy is rare.
I don't know why these guys are telling you
anything about geometry, it is spoiling all the fun
of reading moronic articles.
Joe Fischer
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G. L. Bradford Jr.
"Joe Fischer" <grav...@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
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Like most, you are thinking in a 1-dimensional line circle you draw on
paper with a pencil, not a space-time orbit in the universe. We are already
told by astronomers that the Sun is now riding above the plane of the galaxy
from having ridden through the plane from below the plane. There isn't a
straight line anywhere in its travel and it reminds me more of a space-time
diagonal line being drawn around and along a torus shaped orbit of the
galactic center than the single line that it has [proved] it is not. The
distance, side to side, up and down, and [diagonally] forward, through the
plane in space covered is titanically greater than a single pencil drawn
straight-line (you might call it) circle on an unfolded, unrolled, never
folding or rolling, sheet of paper around the galactic center. The time
remains precisely the same though because that is calculated upon the
relative forward-motion periodicity with regard to the plane (alone) of the
galaxy observed from here involving the other stars of our galaxy. If you
straighten out the nearly toroidal line of travel, the space covered in the
line of travel by the Sun will probably square--and I gave it that squaring.
We are dealing in enormous amounts of space-time and time here, the Sun
orbiting a torus--so to speak--while at the same time orbiting the galactic
center. We are not dealing in small units of pencil-line radius and circle
drawing upon a flat sheet of paper (1-dimensionally spatial, 1-dimensional
in space, alone).
Meanwhile, all this is simultaneously occurring [around] a single point
(our galactic center) that should include in the picture the factor of many
points like it for triangulation and coordination, specifically the galactic
center of Andromeda and other nearby galaxies that might help to erase
periodicity from the picture. They are not included in the picture
concerning our actual velocity and should be. The spatial shape of the Sun's
orbit, and thus the space and time velocity figure, are based entirely on
intra-galactic periodicity and pencil and paper 1- and 2-dimensionality. It
is you and those like you who cannot see in, or deal in, more than the 1-
and 2-dimensional picture concerning the Universe (the Multiverse) at large.
So you end up searching for nakedly singular Big Bang beginnings and
unfathomable [stuff] in your 'relative universe' like "dark matter" and
"dark energy." You get ever smaller minded, your universe gets ever more
inertly tyrannical and catastrophic, ever more relativistically savage and
anarchic, with all passage of time you are unable to climb up and out of
such 1- and 2-dimensional [superficial] thinking. Such a mindset can only
end up curving into itself, circling and spiraling into itself, to ever more
insane results (specifically, insane visions of insane universes). The worst
of all is that this relativistic mindset, nee "relativism," has become the
state religion of half the world's states, if not more than half. Their
state philosophy and ideology. Their psychotic state psychology. Your "grand
unification" to 1-dimensional tyranny, savagery, and anarchy, couldn't
result in a "darker age" for the world. Your reduction (reductionism) to
"lowest common denominator" couldn't result in any possible darker age than
this last century continuing inexorably on into this one.
Hawking was dead wrong. Philosophy and cosmology, and physics, are still
utterly unified (merged): unified (merged) all too well in a
totally...Satanistic, totally...'relativistic',
totally...'totalitarianistic', totally 1-dimensional "BB" ("Big Bang" ("Big
Brother")) mindset.
You very apparently do not have a mind large enough, broad enough, deep
enough, either to "unfold" the Universe or to "unfold" the galaxy within it.
Brad
Joe Fischer
: paper with a pencil, not a space-time orbit in the universe.
Excuse me, I didn't realize what a genyus you are.
: We are already told by astronomers that the Sun is now riding
: above the plane of the galaxy from having ridden through
: the plane from below the plane.
Of course, how silly of me, there are two
possibilities, either the sun moves in an ellipse
around the galaxy, crossing the plane twice each
orbit, or it interacts with stars it is moving with
or passes and could pass through the plane of the
galaxy many times each orbit.
Thanks for setting me straight, I needed that,
now it is important to spread your wisdom throughout
the astronomy community.
Joe Fischer
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Paul B. Andersen
"G. L. Bradford Jr." <glbr...@hotmail.com> skrev i melding news:Yb6Wa.19386$It4....@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...
>
> Like most, you are thinking in a 1-dimensional line circle you draw on
> paper with a pencil, not a space-time orbit in the universe. We are already
> told by astronomers that the Sun is now riding above the plane of the galaxy
> from having ridden through the plane from below the plane. There isn't a
> straight line anywhere in its travel and it reminds me more of a space-time
> diagonal line being drawn around and along a torus shaped orbit of the
> galactic center than the single line that it has [proved] it is not. The
> distance, side to side, up and down, and [diagonally] forward, through the
> plane in space covered is titanically greater than a single pencil drawn
> straight-line (you might call it) circle on an unfolded, unrolled, never
> folding or rolling, sheet of paper around the galactic center. The time
> remains precisely the same though because that is calculated upon the
> relative forward-motion periodicity with regard to the plane (alone) of the
> galaxy observed from here involving the other stars of our galaxy. If you
> straighten out the nearly toroidal line of travel, the space covered in the
> line of travel by the Sun will probably square--and I gave it that squaring.
The rationalization of the year! :-)
I think you will make a lesser fool of yourself if
you simply admit your blunder and leave it at that.
BTW, don't you understand how utterly nonsensical
it is to say that a distance is the square of a distance?
The numeric result you get is entirely dependent on
the arbitrary choice of unit.
Measure the radius in megaparsec, and the numeric value
of pi*r^2 will be ca. 0.0003.
3000 parsec is less than the radius!
Paul
Alex Kudrasev
But look at you other guys. You are acting like precious brats instead of
mature adults, much less intelligent people.
Shame on you. You love putting people down don't you? Grow some maturity and
one day you might learn something.
love,
Alex Kudrasev.
"Paul Cardinale" <pcard...@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
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Paul Cardinale
> Poor Brad made a mistake.
>
> But look at you other guys. You are acting like precious brats instead of
> mature adults, much less intelligent people.
>
> Shame on you. You love putting people down don't you? Grow some maturity and
> one day you might learn something.
>
People who publicly spew shit deserve to be put down.
(In fact, it's everyone's civic duty to do so.)
Paul Cardinale
Paul Cardinale
Oops. Ambiguously worded. Should be: It's everyone's civic duty to put them down.