The Fable of the Treasure Candle
Louise Taylor
sent us a "Treasure Candle" as one of our wedding presents. I wanted
to once again share with you the words that came on the attached
scroll.
The Fable of the Treasure Candle
"Once upon a time, in a distant land, there lived a fair princess who
was in love with a brave and young Knight. But, alas, the Knight was
imprisoned by a most evil King.
After longing for her beloved for many a month, the Princess
conceived a clever plan. She traveled to a mystical kingdom deep
within the earth where she gathered crystals and stones with magical
powers.
Upon returning home, she made a candle in which she concealed the
treasures. Then she arranged to have it delivered to her lover in
his cold dark dungeon.
The sad and disheartened Knight welcomed the gift of light and
immediately burned his candle, unaware of its special powers. When
the crystal revealed itself, a rainbow appeared from within. A wave
of joy and love swept through him as he realized the special nature
of the gift.
At that moment, the crystal in the candle the Princess was burning,
also shimmered with a rainbow. Then, lo and behold, the two tiny
rainbows soared out into the heavens and became one. The power of
their love was so great that they were drawn into the rainbow's arc
where neither prison walls nor evil kings couldever keep them apart.
Within each Treasure Candle, you will find a crystal and other gifts
of the Earth, each with their own special power. Hold your crystal
up to the light; you just might see the beginning of your own magical
rainbow.
With love and rainbow wishes,
The Keeper of the Flame"
Louise--Who has found her rainbows in life.
"Friendship is a rainbow between two people."
Brenda Ehmka
> As some of you might remember, when Paul and I got married my sister
> sent us a "Treasure Candle" as one of our wedding presents. I wanted
> to once again share with you the words that came on the attached
> scroll.
>
> snipp
Louise.. We have one of them too.. We have not burned it yet.. Saving it
for an extra special time.
I like the words on that scroll... Thanks for sharing...
> Louise--Who has found her rainbows in life.
>
> "Friendship is a rainbow between two people."
--
Brenda Lee
Official Lady DreamCatcher, Wordsmith,
and President of the RFA
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comp...@iname.com
What a lovely story to share. Thanks
Charlene
Louise Taylor wrote:
> As some of you might remember, when Paul and I got married my sister
> sent us a "Treasure Candle" as one of our wedding presents. I wanted
> to once again share with you the words that came on the attached
> scroll.
>
> The Fable of the Treasure Candle
>
<snipped...sorry>
.
.
L. Taylor
> Louise,
Hello Charlene! *hugs*
> What a lovely story to share. Thanks
Thank you for taking time to tell me so. It remains one of my
favorite little stories in the world. I believe in the power
of the rainbow as a symbol of hope, peace, friendship and
love.
Louise
comp...@iname.com
delightful story. I have crystals and rocks from several states. Each
time I go to a new area, I make it worth my while to collect some rocks,
especially if the event was wonderful. Now, do they make candles with
crystals in them? I would think they could.
I have wondered why couldn't there be a rainbow during a storm instead
of afterwards. There is the test of hope and courage.
Take care
Charlene
L. Taylor wrote:
.
.
J. Corral
Did I address you at all?
This is a conversation between me and someone else--butt out
--Jeannette
On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Rauni wrote:
>
> Sometimes I am amazed on how STUPID you are Jeannette! So where is
> the proof liar!! You know very well what is wanted. If you really
> did contact Enialle's ISP?? Or did you lie again. After posting here
> I will call them. It is fun to see how much "Christians" lie. You
> and Thomas do it a lot!!!
>
> On Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:13:11 -0700, "J. Corral"
> <jean...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>
> >Hi everyone,
> >
> >In an effort to appease certain parties I have contacted Enialle's ISP
> >asking if they had somehow misinterpretted my original letter. I
> >reiterated to them the everything was solely pertaining to the text of the
> >letter. Frankly they apparently have no problem or misunderstanding with
> >the original letter.
> >
> >If they did have a misunderstanding with that original letter I would have
> >apologized for it but they do not. Mr Yamahata made a statement that he
> >was insulted that I would insinuate that he did not get the meaning of the
> >letter. I thought it hard to believe that he wouldn't get the meaning
> >either.
> >
> >So I am
> >
> >
> > #### #### ##### ##### # #
> > # # # # # # # # #
> > #### # # # # # # #
> > # # # ##### ##### #
> > # # # # # # # # #
> > #### #### # # # # #
> >
> >
> > Enialle that this argument has drug on for weeks/months/ I
> >don't know exactly how long. My original complaint was a follow up to
> >Teri's. That was all.
> >
> >If you think that my original letter was not drafted correctly...
> >
> >then I am
> >
> >
> > #### #### ##### ##### # #
> > # # # # # # # # #
> > #### # # # # # # #
> > # # # ##### ##### #
> > # # # # # # # # #
> > #### #### # # # # #
> >
> >
> >The recipient of the letter seems to have no problem with its
> >interpretation.
> >
> >I can not see what else I could do to make you happy. You seem to carry
> >on about points that do not exist. I would like to resolve this issue, as
> >I wrote you in private, by simply putting the past aside and striving
> >forward. I am sure there is much to learn about each other and to share.
> >
> >ARC presents a unique opportunity to discuss romance romance and still be
> >silly--I like this aspect.
> >
> >If you apreciate this also please show your apreciation by helping me set
> >the past to rest.
> >
> >Your cooperation is greatly appreciated and I sincerely hope that you
> >cease from arguing on the topic further. There are better things to do
> >with the course of a day.
> >
> >Once again, if this will allow you to stop disrupting ARC...
> >
> >
> > #### #### ##### ##### # #
> > # # # # # # # # #
> > #### # # # # # # #
> > # # # ##### ##### #
> > # # # # # # # # #
> > #### #### # # # # #
> >
> >
> >
> > #### #### ##### ##### # #
> > # # # # # # # # #
> > #### # # # # # # #
> > # # # ##### ##### #
> > # # # # # # # # #
> > #### #### # # # # #
> >
> >
> >
> > #### #### ##### ##### # #
> > # # # # # # # # #
> > #### # # # # # # #
> > # # # ##### ##### #
> > # # # # # # # # #
> > #### #### # # # # #
> >
> >
> >
> > #### #### ##### ##### # #
> > # # # # # # # # #
> > #### # # # # # # #
> > # # # ##### ##### #
> > # # # # # # # # #
> > #### #### # # # # #
> >
> >
> >
> > #### #### ##### ##### # #
> > # # # # # # # # #
> > #### # # # # # # #
> > # # # ##### ##### #
> > # # # # # # # # #
> > #### #### # # # # #
> >
> >
> >--Jeannette
> >
> >
> >*********************************************************************
> > Guilty as charged
> > too goofy for words
> > trying to fly right
> > I leave to the birds
> > **hugs**
> >
> >You ever wonder why hugs are so good
> >when they come from the one you love?
> > ___
> > {~._.~}
> > _( Y )
> > (:_~*~_:) **He's got arms and he's not afraid to use them!!**
> > (_)-(_)
> > 007 Bear
> >
>
>
>
*********************************************************************
Guilty as charged
too goofy for words
trying to fly right
I leave to the birds
**hugs**
You ever wonder why hugs are so good
when they come from the one you love?
___
{~._.~}
_( Y )
(:_~*~_:) **He's got arms and he's not afraid to use them!!**
(_)-(_)
007 Bear
comp...@iname.com
J. Corral wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
Jeannette,
This is not to get involved with the "Sorry" stuff but why in the hell did
you pick Louise's sweet thread to add this to it? I can only hope it was an
error, but now, Louise and I have to go elsewhere to continue our chat.
Charlene
comp...@iname.com
Anyway, I wanted to continue on with this thread without the
interruption that occurred. Would you mind sharing more on the crystal
in the candle?
Thanks
Charlene
Dave Roy
jen...@newsguy.com (Rauni) saying:
>Oh the queen can dish it but can't take it. In case you haven't
>noticed this is a pubic forum. If you want a *private* conversation
>take it to email. More proof how stupid you are!
How can she do that when the intended person won't accept her emails?
Hmmmmmm?
Oh, and if Gilley can request that Tommy snip, I will request that
both you and Jeanette please snip what you're replying to.
Dave Roy
Dave Roy
Ack...that came out wrong. I meant please snip what you're replying
to if you're not going to actually reply to it.
Dave Roy
Dave Roy
Huh??? It appeared as a brand spanking new thread on my newsreader.
Dave Roy
Dave Roy
>On Fri, 10 Jul 1998 02:43:39 GMT, hi...@earthlink.net (Dave Roy) wrote:
>
>>I just got back from saving the universe, when I overheard
>>jen...@newsguy.com (Rauni) saying:
>>
>>>Oh the queen can dish it but can't take it. In case you haven't
>>>noticed this is a pubic forum. If you want a *private* conversation
>>>take it to email. More proof how stupid you are!
>>
>>How can she do that when the intended person won't accept her emails?
>>Hmmmmmm?
>>
>>Oh, and if Gilley can request that Tommy snip, I will request that
>>both you and Jeanette please snip what you're replying to.
>Guess you can't read either! Her post said "hi everybody" tell me do
>*you* always address private messages with "everybody" The stupid
>virus is spreading rapidity! Call the CDC!!
*sigh* I was referring, of course, to your "take it to email"
comment. I made no reference to whether or not you were justified in
your comment. Thanks for not answering my point.
Dave Roy
kim vawryk
jen...@newsguy.com (Rauni) felt compelled to state:
>On Fri, 10 Jul 1998 02:43:39 GMT, hi...@earthlink.net (Dave Roy) wrote:
>
>>I just got back from saving the universe, when I overheard
>>jen...@newsguy.com (Rauni) saying:
>>
>>>Oh the queen can dish it but can't take it. In case you haven't
>>>noticed this is a pubic forum. If you want a *private* conversation
>>>take it to email. More proof how stupid you are!
She never said that she wanted a private conversation in her post.
>>How can she do that when the intended person won't accept her emails?
>>Hmmmmmm?
>Guess you can't read either! Her post said "hi everybody" tell me do
>*you* always address private messages with "everybody" The stupid
>virus is spreading rapidity! Call the CDC!!
Well, it appears you caught it.
Uh. Just to refresh your memory:
Jeannette said:
I can not see what else I could do to make you happy. You seem to
carry
on about points that do not exist. I would like to resolve this
issue, as
I wrote you in private, by simply putting the past aside and striving
forward. I am sure there is much to learn about each other and to
share.
As you can clearly see, Jeannette is referring to something that was
written in private not that she was writing something private.
Glad to be of assistance.
Kim
Pete Turk
<jen...@newsguy.com> writes
>
>Sometimes I am amazed on how STUPID you are Jeannette! So where is
>the proof liar!! You know very well what is wanted. If you really
>did contact Enialle's ISP?? Or did you lie again. After posting here
>I will call them. It is fun to see how much "Christians" lie. You
>and Thomas do it a lot!!!
..and I always wanted to know what went on after they
"all lived happily ever after"!
Pete Turk <Pe...@ragtag.demon.co.uk> ICQ# 11981084
Official Moonshadow of the RFA
--
May your doorstep ever be dirty.
-- Romany blessing
Faithmarie
> As some of you might remember, when Paul and I got married my sister
> sent us a "Treasure Candle" as one of our wedding presents. I wanted
> to once again share with you the words that came on the attached
> scroll.
>
> The Fable of the Treasure Candle
What a perfect gift for two people proclaiming their love!
Thank you for sharing this Louise. It gave me goosebumps :)
hugs
--
Faithmarie
Ocean Gazer and Official Peacemaker of the RFA
reply to faith_marieb at yahoo dot com
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Alone we dare not climb, with love we reach new heights
-author unknown
Gilbert Vanburen Wilkes
by Ra...@newsguy.com
> On Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:13:11 -0700, "J. Corral"
> <jean...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>
> >Hi everyone,
> That is private huh? Damn you ARE dumb.
Dumb, yes, but rich with possibility, wouldn't you say? How shall we
remold her? i have a suggestion, but it must wait. And besides, i shall
assign the woman to another, someone who will mentor her, counsel her,
advise her, protect her from herself, and step by step initiate her into
the mysteries of newsgroup politique.
Teri Reptile Gore and little Tommy Doyle are already in my charge, and
these two are demanding enough, "un-hewn blocks" both of them, two
specimens wholly un-touched by the humanizing influence of a caring,
nurturing community, a community of social equals where none attempts to
silence or abuse another. i shall teach them. But i don't think i have
time to mentor *three* wayward souls.
Now if only Teri Reptile Gore would follow the child's example,
apologize to Enialle, the newsgroup, apologize to Enialle's ISP, we
*could* set about restoring this newsgroup.
Oh, but Jen-Jen needs to apologize to Enialle's ISP as well. She also
complained.
Go to, Jen-Jen, apologize to Enialle's ISP. Demonstrate your sincerity,
and set an example for Teri Reptile Gore.
http://english-server.hss.cmu.edu/home/wilkes/
Harold S.
>I just got back from saving the universe, when I overheard
>comp...@iname.com saying:
>>
>>J. Corral wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>
>>Jeannette,
>>
>>This is not to get involved with the "Sorry" stuff but why in the hell did
>>you pick Louise's sweet thread to add this to it? I can only hope it was an
>>error, but now, Louise and I have to go elsewhere to continue our chat.
>
>Huh??? It appeared as a brand spanking new thread on my newsreader.
>
>Dave Roy
Sorry Dave, but you're wrong. If you look at the "REFERENCES", you'd see
where this all got started: "The Fable of the Treasure Candle".
This thread was started by Louise, then Charlene. This is a fact.
Look at the headers where it says:
References: <01bdaa1d$7f582ae0$2ca6cacc@taylor>
<35A441DD...@iname.com>
<lsundae-0907...@128.181.126.147>
<35A52BCA...@iname.com>
<Pine.A41.3.96a.98070...@dante10.u.washington.edu>
<35A59013...@iname.com>
<35a59dea...@news.earthlink.net>
And look at the first two lines:
<01bdaa1d$7f582ae0$2ca6cacc@taylor> and <35A441DD...@iname.com>
If you want, I can give you instructions on how to do this from your newsreader.
--
Harold Sosa, Official Barbecue Chef of the RFA
reply to: une...@rrpf.hvp.rqh (ROT-13 to decode)
http://www.eecs.uic.edu/~harold/hal
"God put me on Earth to accomplish a certain number of things. Right
now I am so far behind, I will never die!"
J. Corral
> I just got back from saving the universe, when I overheard
> hi...@earthlink.net (Dave Roy) saying:
>
> Ack...that came out wrong. I meant please snip what you're replying
> to if you're not going to actually reply to it.
Hey Dave,
Bandwidth huh? :-)
Well I thought an attempt at a pubic apology might ease the situation.
I had already contacted Enialle in private last week.
I have given up hope on knowing what she requires--As you can see the
targets are widening. I tried to do what I could but I can not be
held responsible for everyone's actions---I do enough to hold my own every
day. You know in the RW (real world) where we actually get along!
Peace--Love--Light
---Jeannette
>
> Dave Roy
J. Corral
> I just got back from saving the universe, when I overheard
> comp...@iname.com saying:
>
> >
> >
> >J. Corral wrote:
> >
> >> Hi everyone,
> >>
> >
> >Jeannette,
> >
> >This is not to get involved with the "Sorry" stuff but why in the hell did
> >you pick Louise's sweet thread to add this to it? I can only hope it was an
> >error, but now, Louise and I have to go elsewhere to continue our chat.
>
> Huh??? It appeared as a brand spanking new thread on my newsreader.
>
Mine too! I posted it as an original thread purposely so it wouldn't get
tossed into the shuffle. I wanted to make sure Enialle read it -thus
her name in the title.
--jeannette
> Dave Roy
11>
J. Corral
On Thu, 9 Jul 1998 comp...@iname.com wrote:
>
>
> J. Corral wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
>
> Jeannette,
>
> This is not to get involved with the "Sorry" stuff but why in the hell did
> you pick Louise's sweet thread to add this to it? I can only hope it was an
> error, but now, Louise and I have to go elsewhere to continue our chat.
I didn't--I posted something original. I don't know why you think
otherwise charlene??? Can't be held responsible for where you server
sorts things.
The subject was Enialle's apolgies--that's a new thread.
---Jeannette
> Charlene
J. Corral
I guess the point is that all I did was post what I thought was an
original post to say sorry---Somehow that point gets missed.
I may have been reading Louise's story--which I did and then decided to
try to make amends. I didn't know that would include me on a thread.
I have PINE and it sorts differently. On the other servers I have used it
sorts by subject.
Don't shoot the bearer of the gift--the point was to try to make amends.
--Jeannette
> On Fri, 10 Jul 1998 04:52:32 GMT, hi...@earthlink.net (Dave Roy) wrote:
>
> >I just got back from saving the universe, when I overheard
> >comp...@iname.com saying:
> >>
> >>J. Corral wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi everyone,
> >>
> >>Jeannette,
> >>
> >>This is not to get involved with the "Sorry" stuff but why in the hell did
> >>you pick Louise's sweet thread to add this to it? I can only hope it was an
> >>error, but now, Louise and I have to go elsewhere to continue our chat.
> >
> >Huh??? It appeared as a brand spanking new thread on my newsreader.
> >
> >Dave Roy
>
> Sorry Dave, but you're wrong. If you look at the "REFERENCES", you'd see
> where this all got started: "The Fable of the Treasure Candle".
>
> This thread was started by Louise, then Charlene. This is a fact.
>
> Look at the headers where it says:
>
> References: <01bdaa1d$7f582ae0$2ca6cacc@taylor>
> <35A441DD...@iname.com>
> <lsundae-0907...@128.181.126.147>
> <35A52BCA...@iname.com>
>
> <Pine.A41.3.96a.98070...@dante10.u.washington.edu>
> <35A59013...@iname.com>
> <35a59dea...@news.earthlink.net>
>
> And look at the first two lines:
> <01bdaa1d$7f582ae0$2ca6cacc@taylor> and <35A441DD...@iname.com>
>
> If you want, I can give you instructions on how to do this from your newsreader.
>
> --
> Harold Sosa, Official Barbecue Chef of the RFA
> reply to: une...@rrpf.hvp.rqh (ROT-13 to decode)
> http://www.eecs.uic.edu/~harold/hal
>
> "God put me on Earth to accomplish a certain number of things. Right
> now I am so far behind, I will never die!"
>
>
Brenda Ehmka
> Louise (and I saw Brenda had replied)
Yes I did.. Love them candles.. I will go to another thread.. Louise
can start it as it was her thread....
>
>
> Anyway, I wanted to continue on with this thread without the
> interruption that occurred. Would you mind sharing more on the
> crystal
> in the candle?
> Louise??????
>
> Thanks
>
> Charlene
Thomas Doyle
> EXACT words you need to say, and in addition, your continued lies
> and deceit perpetrated upon me, to arc and to my ISP---an ISP for
> which you pay him nothing but rather make him waste his time with your
> inane petty whining. Your penance will now include your retraction to
> every single letter you sent to my ISP and an apology to arc for your
> offensive behavior
And what the hell are you gonna do about it if she doesn't do your assinine
pennance? Newsflash darling, You aren't in power here. Neither is any of your
brute squad. As much as you like to make edicts and state that you can determine
the fate of ARC, you can't.
At the end of the day when you turn the computer off to sleep, your still the
pathetic little netgeek who needs to start flame wars to have any kind of
significance in the universe.
Smeg off.
> You alone, Jenjunta Corruptella, harmed the very fabric of arc. Your
> corrupted sense of self, your self loathing, (as this is the true
> reason), stretched a wrinkle in usenet time. You alone, corrupted the
> Karma of the omnipresence usenet TRUTH. You disrupted the steady
> metronome of our precious usenet continuum. You MUST redeem yourself
> from the spiraling vortex of inky darkness. Your salvation depends
> upon it.
It seems to me your constant anti-social attitude and the little mob that follows
it are the cause of most of this problem. You never seem to post anything unless
you smell the blood of a flame war. Jen is active in many threads and tries to
be a contributing member to ARC, as does Teri. The only problem here is your
brute squad. When do we get OUR appology for you dragging them in here and
keeping the flame wars going?
Take a hike sister. We've seen enough of what crawled out of your gene pool.
(Will someone please chlorinate that darn thing.)
Oh, and for the record, she already is redeemed by a higher power than your
over-inflated ego.
Since you want to be crude, our God'll kick your godesses ass any day.
Now will you children shut up and move along?
Thomas Doyle
J. Corral
On Sat, 11 Jul 1998, Thomas Doyle wrote:
> And what the hell are you gonna do about it if she doesn't do your assinine
> pennance? Newsflash darling, You aren't in power here. Neither is any of your
> brute squad. As much as you like to make edicts and state that you can determine
> the fate of ARC, you can't.
> At the end of the day when you turn the computer off to sleep, your still the
> pathetic little netgeek who needs to start flame wars to have any kind of
> significance in the universe.
> Smeg off.
>
> It seems to me your constant anti-social attitude and the little mob that follows
> it are the cause of most of this problem. You never seem to post anything unless
> you smell the blood of a flame war. Jen is active in many threads and tries to
> be a contributing member to ARC, as does Teri. The only problem here is your
> brute squad. When do we get OUR appology for you dragging them in here and
> keeping the flame wars going?
> Take a hike sister. We've seen enough of what crawled out of your gene pool.
> (Will someone please chlorinate that darn thing.)
> Oh, and for the record, she already is redeemed by a higher power than your
> over-inflated ego.
> Since you want to be crude, our God'll kick your godesses ass any day.
> Now will you children shut up and move along?
> Thomas Doyle
Hey Thomas I appreciate your sincerity but I have decided that they just
want to flame so I don't care where they stand---I ain't standig with
them.
A fellow ARC'er told me to I should use sort and just delete them in one
fell swoop.
HEY!!! It worked for me---Didn't have to read a damn thing.
totally eliminated---even if they shuld appear on a thread that's not
flames I can just delete **aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh**
I never have to read anything the little band writes again.
nananananananananananana :P (ever playful)
I figure at this point they really aren't worth the bother. Their colors
have been revealed and its just time to move on.
Just let it die Thomas.
I find your godess comment funny---I'm sure we both realize why.
I just say what I mean and stand on what I believe--its a simple policy
but it works for me.
Peace--Love--Light
----Jeannette
Dave Roy
>On Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:27:41 -0700, "J. Corral"
><jean...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>>I didn't--I posted something original. I don't know why you think
>>otherwise charlene??? Can't be held responsible for where you server
>>sorts things.
>>
>>The subject was Enialle's apolgies--that's a new thread.
>Read the References: Line it goes back Charlene and Louise's Thread.
>In fact even on this post the References: post go back to their
> thread. Gee Jeannette you lie even when the truth is posted in black
>and white right in fount of your face. I can seem to figure out why
>you lie so much? It pathological or just a habit. Or do they teach
>that a Sunday School now days instead of the Ten Commandments.
Oh give me a break. She's got a newsreader that doesn't do that. So
do I. I seriously doubt that if I had done the same thing there would
have been such an uproar about it. Or if there was, my explanation
would have been accepted.
Not to mention the fact that she posted *after* this posting that she
now understood what the problem was.
In other words, I think you're being just a teany bit histrionic, but
that isn't anything new, is it?
Dave Roy
Dave Roy
>On Fri, 10 Jul 1998 04:52:32 GMT, hi...@earthlink.net (Dave Roy) wrote:
>
>>Huh??? It appeared as a brand spanking new thread on my newsreader.
>
>You must have a news reader that doesn't properly connect threads
>together by message identifiers -- or perhaps you have that feature
>disabled. It's in the same thread with Louise and Charlene's comments
>on "The Fable of the Treasure Candle" because she posted a response to
>Charlene.
I prefer a newsreader that starts a new subject when the subject is
changed. That way, if the topic drifts, somebody can change the
header and all the posts won't appear in that thread. I thought most
newsreaders other then Netscape did that.
Dave Roy
Dave Roy
>On Mon, 13 Jul 1998 04:53:56 GMT, hi...@earthlink.net (Dave Roy) wrote:
>
>>Oh give me a break. She's got a newsreader that doesn't do that. So
>>do I. I seriously doubt that if I had done the same thing there would
>>have been such an uproar about it. Or if there was, my explanation
>>would have been accepted.
Did you read this paragraph?
>>Not to mention the fact that she posted *after* this posting that she
>>now understood what the problem was.
>>
>>In other words, I think you're being just a teany bit histrionic, but
>>that isn't anything new, is it?
>You just want to believe a liar and it is pretty obvious you don't
>know very much about the usenet either. Even Deja News has the posts
>begriming with Charlene and Louise's thread
Oh believe me, I do know about USENET. But yet again, you don't
respond to what I actually *said*. A lot of newsreaders *don't* group
threads that way, so it's only natural if you have one of those
newsreaders that you wouldn't even think about it. Even if you do
know what references are (which I already did, thank you very much).
This is not a slam against Charlene (or her newsreader), but if she
had happened to have Free Agent (or one of the others), she probably
would never have noticed the intrusion.
Now, let's see if you can respond to what I say this time.
Dave Roy
J. Montgomery
J. Corral <jean...@u.washington.edu> wrote in article
<Pine.A41.3.96a.98071...@dante40.u.washington.edu>...
> A fellow ARC'er told me to I should use sort and just delete them in one
> fell swoop.
> HEY!!! It worked for me---Didn't have to read a damn thing.
> totally eliminated---even if they shuld appear on a thread that's not
> flames I can just delete **aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh**
> I never have to read anything the little band writes again.
> nananananananananananana :P (ever playful)
>>>>>>>Heeeeeey Buddy, can you tell ME how to do that *sort-delete* thingie??
I've had quite enough of the "Flame Squad".
(and "A Froggie Went A Courtin' " lost its appeal in grammer school)
> I figure at this point they really aren't worth the bother. Their colors
> have been revealed and its just time to move on.
>>>>And here I thought hospital walls were the only things that pukey shade of
green. :>) :>D :>D~
>
> I just say what I mean and stand on what I believe--its a simple policy
> but it works for me.
>>>>...when you are not dealing with schizophrenics, that is.
>>> Jul (moving TOWARDS the light)
J. Corral
>
> J. Corral <jean...@u.washington.edu> wrote in article
> <Pine.A41.3.96a.98071...@dante40.u.washington.edu>...
> > A fellow ARC'er told me to I should use sort and just delete them in one
> > fell swoop.
> > HEY!!! It worked for me---Didn't have to read a damn thing.
> > totally eliminated---even if they shuld appear on a thread that's not
> > flames I can just delete **aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh**
> > I never have to read anything the little band writes again.
> > nananananananananananana :P (ever playful)
>
> >>>>>>>Heeeeeey Buddy, can you tell ME how to do that *sort-delete* thingie??
> I've had quite enough of the "Flame Squad".
> (and "A Froggie Went A Courtin' " lost its appeal in grammer school)
>
aaahhhhhhh Jul I have a different system then you do
What ya on? Netscape?
Maybe I can employ the help of friends. I do not use a Graphical
Interface Usenet Server
>
> > I figure at this point they really aren't worth the bother. Their colors
> > have been revealed and its just time to move on.
>
> >>>>And here I thought hospital walls were the only things that pukey shade of
> green. :>) :>D :>D~
**smile** And green is one of my favorite colors--
I've got it all over my house :)
What's your preference dear? True Blue? :)
**Hugs**
>
> >
> > I just say what I mean and stand on what I believe--its a simple policy
> > but it works for me.
>
> >>>>...when you are not dealing with schizophrenics, that is.
>
**smile** ah yes that would be an interesting change
> >>> Jul (moving TOWARDS the light)
Jul---- You're casting a long shadow :-)
Love you!!
------Jeannette
Gilbert Vanburen Wilkes
with the.. by Thomas Do...@swt.edu
> It seems to me your constant anti-social attitude and the little mob
that follow
> s
> it are the cause of most of this problem. You never seem to post
anything unless
>
> you smell the blood of a flame war. Jen is active in many threads
and tries t
> o
> be a contributing member to ARC, as does Teri. The only problem here is your
> brute squad. When do we get OUR appology for you dragging them in here and
> keeping the flame wars going?
> Take a hike sister. We've seen enough of what crawled out of your
gene pool.
>
> (Will someone please chlorinate that darn thing.)
> Oh, and for the record, she already is redeemed by a higher power
than your
> over-inflated ego.
Take your flaming to the flamegroups, littel Tommy Doyle. Your
inarticulate sputterings are not welcome here.
> Since you want to be crude, our God'll kick your godesses ass any day.
You don't think your God may be a little bit ashamed of you?
> Now will you children shut up and move along?
You, little one, will be doing the ''moving along'' if you do not cease
your flames and provocations.
http://english-server.hss.cmu.edu/home/wilkes/
Lady Sundae
: Louise Taylor <lsu...@teleport.com> wrote
: > sent us a "Treasure Candle" as one of our wedding presents. I wanted
: > to once again share with you the words that came on the attached
: > scroll.
: > The Fable of the Treasure Candle
: What a perfect gift for two people proclaiming their love!
I thought so. It made me cry. Sometimes, my family can do that to
a person. We didn't have the best childhood and aren't the best
of friends but we all love each other dearly. I have cried more
tears over my brother and my sister than I have anyone in my life.
Their pain remains mine.
: Thank you for sharing this Louise. It gave me goosebumps :)
You're welcome. I really do believe that rainbows are presents
from the Great Maker. They are our gift of hope, love, and
tomorrow.
: hugs
*hugs* Faith
Louise--Just back from a weekend away and thinking I should have
stayed there. *sigh*
Lady Sundae
: Louise (and I saw Brenda had replied)
I missed Brenda's reply. Our news server must have gotten hungry
again. I keep telling them to leave chocolate out for it but
obviously someone forgot.
: Anyway, I wanted to continue on with this thread without the
: interruption that occurred. Would you mind sharing more on the crystal
: in the candle?
I think crystals are one of the untapped secrets of our little
world. The ancients used to use them for healing. Somewhere
we lost that ability. We have lost the power to use this
earth to give us health, love and life. We are all, afterall,
only dust--made of this earth. Nothing lifts my soul like
a walk on the beach or in a forest. It is there that I find
peace. I don't find it in a bottle, or in a building or in
anything man-made. I am closest to my inner self when I hear
the roar of the ocean or the songs of a whale. When Paul is with
me in these places, I believe I have attained a small slice of
heaven. His love combined with the power of Mother Earth, heal
me when nothing else can.
A couple of summers ago when Comet Hale Bopp was visible in our
night sky, Paul and I went to Cape Foulweather to view it in
the darkest sky we could find. As we stood there in awe of
what we were gazing upon, we heard a sound so beautiful it
brought tears to our eyes. We heard the songs of the whales.
My skin still tingles to recall it. We heard something that
most people never, ever hear. We heard it because our ears and
eyes and souls were open to what nature had to offer. This earth
is as precious as any life.
So, whether you have a crystal or not, you need to experience
what has been provided. Everyone needs to respect the power
that Mother Earth holds.
Louise--waxing sentimental today.
Brenda Ehmka
> comp...@iname.com wrote:
> : Louise (and I saw Brenda had replied)
>
> I missed Brenda's reply. Our new
> : Anyway, I wanted to continue on with this thread without the
> : interruption that occurred. Would you mind sharing more on the
> crystal
> : in the candle?
> SNIP
I beleive as you do Louise. Crystals are very powerful. Look at all
the wonders of quartz. It is used in clocks and watches because it is a
great conductor of electricity. I know that I used a rose quartz(which
is haled as a love stone) to attract Kevin into my life. I still wear
it today as a necklace. I have books on them, I have stones that I use
in meditation, and I put them in the sun to replenish and restore the
energy. This cleanses them too or you can submerge them in sea salt. .
I cleanse my diamonds in the sun. It charges them up.
Anyway-- I believe. I wear quartz pendants, and have gemstone rings.
I loved a stone I got out of a treasure candle. I also got a silver
cresent moon that I put on a necklace. Enjoy the burning of yous
Louise... Hope you get some great treasures.
hugs
> Louise--waxing sentimental today.
comp...@iname.com
Charlene
comp...@iname.com
Jeannette's thread would be new to you. However, (I use Netscape) her thread is
not new and this is why. I use the full header on Netscape to tell me all of
the emails that respond to a thread. as you can see, the references consist of
Louise and my emails. References tells us who has been replying to an article.
The "In-reply-to" is comp...@iname.com appears when someone replies to an
article which in this case is mine d Jeannette is replying to my post. The
second example is a new post I made which there is only one email address and
the "Reply to" is comp...@iname.com which means I posted the thread and the
next person who posts will have "in reply to." This is also seen in MT
Newswatcher in the full headers
In Netscape nd MT Newswatcher the threads appear in random order according to
who is replying to what posting. So if I respond to Louise for the first time,
I will appear under her original post. If Brenda replies to Louise directly,
she will appear under Louise's original post. If I make another reply to Louise
but select through Brenda's post, I will appear directly under Brenda even
though I have responded to Louise directly.
I am justified in my post which clearly shows Jeannette interrupted the thread
Louise wrote. Dave, it would have been better to have made an objective
search. And to prove my point, I just posted a "new message" within this
thread. See if you can find it and see who's post it was attached.
Jeannette, really now??????? You owe Enialle and the rest of this NG the truth
and an apology for this was not an original thread when evidence shows it is an
add-on and also for interrupting Louise's nice thread on love and spirituality.
This is not responding to your apology message to Enialle but how you handled
it, and to me, it appears questionable. I think you need a new deck of cards as
the old ones reveal the same torn edges. Does this make sense when all of a
sudden after you made your post there are 50 responses which I will not take the
time to read.
Dave, wonders never cease to amaze me. Your reply below reveals you are lacking
in fact finding abilities.
Well, everyone. have a good evening as this was something else. Sorry, Enialle
that you had to find the "hidden message" within a beautiful setting and then
that developed into an inferno. Sorry, Louise that your beautiful message had
to be sent elsewhere but it definitely was not spoiled by the actions of others.
Charlene
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Hi everyone,
In an effort to appease certain parties
Dave Roy wrote:
> I just got back from saving the universe, when I overheard
> comp...@iname.com saying:
>
> >
> >
> >J. Corral wrote:
> >
> >> Hi everyone,
> >>
> >
> >Jeannette,
> >
> >This is not to get involved with the "Sorry" stuff but why in the hell did
> >you pick Louise's sweet thread to add this to it? I can only hope it was an
> >error, but now, Louise and I have to go elsewhere to continue our chat.
>
> Huh??? It appeared as a brand spanking new thread on my newsreader.
>
> Dave Roy
Dave Roy
>Besides isn't it easier just to post new message? Why work that hard!
Of course it would have been easier. I didn't say it wouldn't. I was
just saying it's not malicious, which is what you chalked it up as.
In other words, she was wrong, but she didn't deserve to be jumped on
like this.
Dave Roy
Dave Roy
jen...@newsguy.com (Rauni) saying:
>On Tue, 14 Jul 1998 01:31:55 GMT, hi...@earthlink.net (Dave Roy) wrote:
>>In other words, she was wrong, but she didn't deserve to be jumped on
>>like this.
>Well that is were I disagree with you it may not have been malicious
>but it was dumb and RUDE, but what annoys most of us about Jeannette
>is we had the proof in our newsreaders and she lied and says she
>didn't do it that way. That is what is so annoying about Jeannette
>she lies even when she didn't have to. Why lie? The proof was there!
that depends on your interpretation of what she said, but I'm willing
to let this drop. I took "something original" to mean "a new header,"
not "a brand new post." I don't see anywhere that she actually says
"I posted a brand new post."
Dave Roy
comp...@iname.com
Thomas Doyle wrote:
>
>
> It seems to me your constant anti-social attitude and the little mob that follows
> it are the cause of most of this problem.
Excuse Me?? I find you to be quite anti-social. Enialle having a mob?? are you
speaking of Rauni, Aogan and Gilbert?? Quite a mob indeed....three people.
> You never seem to post anything unless
> you smell the blood of a flame war.
This is incorrect. Enialle has posted poetry, URL's of interesting sites, posted
funny puns. I would say she has contributed to ARC's desires.
> Jen is active in many threads and tries to
> be a contributing member to ARC, as does Teri.
Well, from what I can read, you obviously do not contribute positivily in this NG.
> The only problem here is your
> brute squad. When do we get OUR appology for you dragging them in here and
> keeping the flame wars going?
Hey, mister, did you forget you were the one who crossposted from rec.arts.prose
which Gilbert followed you, and crossposted from alt.pagan and alt. romance
insulting Rauni and brought her here? Blamer is all you are, Thomas. You blame
everyone for your irresponsibilities.
> Take a hike sister. We've seen enough of what crawled out of your gene pool.
Please do as you write and leave this NG.
> (Will someone please chlorinate that darn thing.)
I think phemaldehyde would be better for you so that one day, fifty years from now,
some high schooler can dissect your brains and make a medical discovery.
> Oh, and for the record, she already is redeemed by a higher power than your
> over-inflated ego.
That is a crock of shit and you know it.
> Since you want to be crude, our God'll kick your godesses ass any day.
What a loving Being to kick someone's ass???? In that case Thomas, be looking for
God's foot in your anus.
> Now will you children shut up and move along?
Please do move along, child.
BTW, Jeannette started this thread, so you cannot blame Enialle for it. You only
responded because the title changed
> Thomas Doyle
comp...@iname.com
Lady Sundae wrote:
> comp...@iname.com wrote:
> : Louise (and I saw Brenda had replied)
>
> I missed Brenda's reply. Our news server must have gotten hungry
> again. I keep telling them to leave chocolate out for it but
> obviously someone forgot.
>
> : Anyway, I wanted to continue on with this thread without the
> : interruption that occurred. Would you mind sharing more on the crystal
> : in the candle?
>
> I think crystals are one of the untapped secrets of our little
> world. The ancients used to use them for healing. Somewhere
> we lost that ability. We have lost the power to use this
> earth to give us health, love and life.
I have crystals and rocks in my bedroom. Quartz, amythist, etc. I do not
use them in any healing mode as my hands generate enough energy to present
healing to others. I have learned to tap into the earth without thinking
upon it and I also connect with the novas as well. It only takes small
moments of meditation to begin this again. People have wondered why I have
not used this for myself. I have. Otherwise, I would have died three
times in the last four years. While I was in the hospital in March with the
viral pneumonia, one of my visitors I gave him a healing to his right knee
which relieved the pain he was having at the time.
> We are all, afterall,
> only dust--made of this earth.
> Nothing lifts my soul like
> a walk on the beach or in a forest. It is there that I find
> peace. I don't find it in a bottle, or in a building or in
> anything man-made. I am closest to my inner self when I hear
> the roar of the ocean or the songs of a whale. When Paul is with
> me in these places, I believe I have attained a small slice of
> heaven. His love combined with the power of Mother Earth, heal
> me when nothing else can.
>
> A couple of summers ago when Comet Hale Bopp was visible in our
> night sky, Paul and I went to Cape Foulweather to view it in
> the darkest sky we could find. As we stood there in awe of
> what we were gazing upon, we heard a sound so beautiful it
> brought tears to our eyes. We heard the songs of the whales.
> My skin still tingles to recall it. We heard something that
> most people never, ever hear. We heard it because our ears and
> eyes and souls were open to what nature had to offer. This earth
> is as precious as any life.
This is a wonderful story.
>
>
> So, whether you have a crystal or not, you need to experience
> what has been provided. Everyone needs to respect the power
> that Mother Earth holds.
>
> Louise--waxing sentimental today.
I hear what others do not hear through the noises that perpetrate everyday.
I can walk the forests, swim in the sea, soar among the clouds, and still be
here. I have learned to embrace the core of trees and became their roots.
I have become the waterfalls' melodies and understood their impressions of
thousands of years of travel. The first time I heard a cat talk to me was
an incredible moment and that cat was indeed a special kitty who belonged to
my daughter at the time. Our dog Cocoa was a giver of great joy for us.
She died early but I believe she is still around.
Thanks so much for sharing the beautiful moment about the whales. You are
quite fortunate!
Charlene
.
comp...@iname.com
Aogan wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:07:50 +0100, Pete Turk
> <Pe...@ragtag.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> > ..and I always wanted to know what went on after they
> > "all lived happily ever after"!
> >
>
> I think you'll have to stick to Grimm's fairly tales, although many
> them are violent.
.
.
comp...@iname.com
be returned and find a new weaver???
Any takers???? Hummm.....any seamstresses besides myself?????
Charlene
Dan Dage
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CO>Subject: Re: Enialle Apologies
I usually clip all but the above out. Occasionally, the date and
organization is interesting.
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There's the stuff, the references. Ugly, aren't they? That's why most
people don't bother reading them. In fact, a body would have to be a
bit anal to do it on a regular basis.
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End of the ugly header. The above is kind of interesting. Even when
you change servers, headers, names or ISP's, the x-mailer stays the
same. And just about everybody on the group uses something fairly
unique, so tracking anonymous friends and neighbors is a bit easier.
WebTV and AOL are exceptions to that rule, but they are exceptional
anyway!:-)
CO>I am justified in my post which clearly shows Jeannette interrupted the thre
CO>Louise wrote. Dave, it would have been better to have made an objective
CO>search. And to prove my point, I just posted a "new message" within this
CO>thread. See if you can find it and see who's post it was attached.
PINE is at least as old as what I'm using now, maybe older. Hitting
'reply' is the same with news as it is with email, and it's dumped into
one basket, and sorted later.
In anycase, whenever I reply to something, the subject header changes
almost everytime, as I'm limited to 20 some-odd characters. Simply
adding 'RE' makes it new! But the references stick around, right? Or
do they?
CO>Jeannette, really now??????? You owe Enialle and the rest of this NG the tr
CO>and an apology for this was not an original thread when evidence shows it is
CO>add-on and also for interrupting Louise's nice thread on love and spirituali
When I looked at the references, sure enough, they looked just like what
I have up top. However, the subject looked new, and responses to her
new subject were grouped together, apart from the candle thread.
If you're trying to convince me that she was deliberately trying to
disrupt your thread, I don't buy it. She hit 'reply' instead of 'new
msg'. Big deal. The only thing you can truly prove, is that she
happened to be reading you when she decided to apologize. Sounds kind
of complimentry to me.
CO>Well, everyone. have a good evening as this was something else. Sorry, Eni
CO>that you had to find the "hidden message" within a beautiful setting and the
CO>that developed into an inferno.
% Burn, baby burn (disco inferno) burn, baby burn...%
Perhaps after I get through singing my set at the lounge, we could share
this lovely box of bonbons that Gilbert sent me. I see you eyeing my
wardrobe, but you'll have to find your own. Vorsace designed them just
for me, before Gilbert...er...Andrew killed him.
Regards,
Dan
---
þ SLMR 2.1a þ Some women get excited about nothing... Then marry him!!
comp...@iname.com
You are right that your reader does have ugly headers no matter who is posting.
> If you're trying to convince me that she was deliberately trying to
> disrupt your thread, I don't buy it.
Nope, not convincing you of anything here, my dear. My post is logical and I am
not accusing Jeannette, just questioning the handling of the post and this only
came about from reading it being a new thread and me having an ISP problem.
> She hit 'reply' instead of 'new
> msg'. Big deal. The only thing you can truly prove, is that she
> happened to be reading you when she decided to apologize. Sounds kind
> of complimentry to me.
Her apology is something that Enialle will have to consider whether or not it was
complimentry. You and I are not involved with their dilemna, unless you have sent
threatening emails and harassments to either one of them.
% Burn, baby burn (disco inferno) burn, baby burn...%I'll burn with you, Dan. I
can take your inferno and cool you down and then torch you like you never been
torched before. You've read my poetry, well, just think of those that no one
knows about.
>
>
> Perhaps after I get through singing my set at the lounge, we could share
> this lovely box of bonbons that Gilbert sent me. I see you eyeing my
> wardrobe, but you'll have to find your own. Vorsace designed them just
> for me, before Gilbert...er...Andrew killed him.
>
Well, let me know how your performance went at the lounge. I could give you
preparatory studies in voice to develop your tongue, soft palette and diaphragm.
I would think this would be something you would really want. I have to pass up on
the bonbons unless they are sugar free. Now, give me a break about the wardrobe,
Dan. You know we can exchange those nighties. Hell, I want to feel the essence
of a male body while wearing one when I am with Gilbert.
Enjoyed chatting with you, my darling flamer.
Charlene
L. Taylor
> Gosh, Louise, I am finally getting to read your post.
I'm amazed that you waded through all 42 messages to get
here. I wasn't sure the thread existed anymore. :-)
> Lady Sundae wrote:
> > I think crystals are one of the untapped secrets of our little
> > world. The ancients used to use them for healing. Somewhere
> > we lost that ability. We have lost the power to use this
> > earth to give us health, love and life.
>
> I have crystals and rocks in my bedroom. Quartz, amythist, etc. I do not
> use them in any healing mode as my hands generate enough energy to present
> healing to others. I have learned to tap into the earth without thinking
> upon it and I also connect with the novas as well. It only takes small
> moments of meditation to begin this again. People have wondered why I have
> not used this for myself. I have. Otherwise, I would have died three
> times in the last four years. While I was in the hospital in March with the
> viral pneumonia, one of my visitors I gave him a healing to his right knee
> which relieved the pain he was having at the time.
Charlene, this still amazes me. I believe more than anything that
part of the untapped potential in our brains is our ability to
heal ourselves and others. When I was 13, I had spinal meningitis.
I took a hike to the other side but the doctors brought me back.
The prognosis stunk. They had already told my parents that I would
die. But here I am. I never believed them when they said that
I would not leave that hospital for months. I never believed them
when they said I would have to repeat the 8th grade. Never! True
to my word, I walked out of that hospital one week later and returned
to school the following week. What do I chalk it up to? A strong
faith and never ending belief in the healing power of my body.
The same thing happened when I first contracted lupus. I was able
to send it into remission by envisioning my cells doing the right
thing instead of the wrong thing. Charlene, you are blessed and those
that know you are doubly blessed. :-)
> > A couple of summers ago when Comet Hale Bopp was visible in our
> > night sky, Paul and I went to Cape Foulweather to view it in
> > the darkest sky we could find. As we stood there in awe of
> > what we were gazing upon, we heard a sound so beautiful it
> > brought tears to our eyes. We heard the songs of the whales.
> > My skin still tingles to recall it. We heard something that
> > most people never, ever hear. We heard it because our ears and
> > eyes and souls were open to what nature had to offer. This earth
> > is as precious as any life.
>
> This is a wonderful story.
Thanks. Sometimes we sit and recall it. Neither of us can
believe how fortunate we were. To hear the song of the whales
is to hear the most beautiful music ever created. Their cry
is so mournful but full of so much love. For every whale that
is slaughtered we lose a little bit more of the song. That
should never be. I am lucky to live in Oregon and to have a
chance to see the breaching of the whales, the play of the
seals and the antics of the otter.
> I hear what others do not hear through the noises that perpetrate everyday.
> I can walk the forests, swim in the sea, soar among the clouds, and still be
> here. I have learned to embrace the core of trees and became their roots.
> I have become the waterfalls' melodies and understood their impressions of
> thousands of years of travel. The first time I heard a cat talk to me was
> an incredible moment and that cat was indeed a special kitty who belonged to
> my daughter at the time. Our dog Cocoa was a giver of great joy for us.
> She died early but I believe she is still around.
*sigh* Pets are a natural wonder. I had a little dachsund named
Elizabeth Ann. She was the sweetest, most loving dog you have ever
seen. She died of a rare blood disease when she was three. It was
one of the worst times in my life. However, memories of her can
still make me smile. She gave me unconditional love. She never
turned her back on me, never uttered an unkind word. She protected
me from harm. I believe she is much like my guardian angel.
> Thanks so much for sharing the beautiful moment about the whales. You are
> quite fortunate!
Thanks. I am fortunate. I may not be in the best of health but
I have a world full of joy in my life. I never take anything or
anyone for granted anymore. Life is wonderful and it is great to
be alive.
Louise
Nilo-Gaye Moller
As a lurker and one-time member of the RFA (Damsel of the Mists .. etc.
etc. etc.), I would suggest too much energy has been put into this dispute.
Sure, Jeannette screwed up ... but in my humble observation, most of you
have at one point or another .. and too much energy is being wasted in this
polarization. I mean .. what is the true damage done? Nobody has lost
their email account over this, despite complains to various postmasters ...
so what is the point???? Gilbert, querido, I have taken a peek at your
webpage and you seem an intelligent sort .... but I cannot recall anything
or a romantic nature on ARC from you (although I am not a regular viewer).
What I would like to know is ... why do y'all expend so much energy on
hatred and trying to force change or imposing your opinion on someone else?
This could go on an adfinitum ad nauseum. I learned long ago in the
world of the internet to ignore negative forces ... live and let live ...
blah blah blah ...
But then ... what do I know? Unlike others ... I don't feel the need to
control things over which I have no control .... such as other people's
lifestyles and opinions ... waste of time and energy ....
la nilo
PS: A warm hello to Louise, Charlene, Brenda .. and others I have "known"
from the past ....
PPS: And this is not an endorsement of Jeannette ... I too have cringed at
some of her judgemental remarks ... but as I said ... "live and let live"
... Like everybody she has her positive points. Y'all are attributing to
her too much power ...
PPPS: I *too* have a major background in psychology (as several of you
know), so please do not try to psychobabble me with white noise.
Gilbert Vanburen Wilkes <gv...@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in article
<Mpfh67a00...@andrew.cmu.edu>...
> Excerpts from netnews.alt.romance.chat: 13-Jul-98 Re: Corral's Fate with
> the .. by eni...@greenheart.com
>
> > On Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:08:40 -0400, Gilbert Vanburen Wilkes
> > <gv...@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote with verve and vigor:
> >
> >
> >
> > |
> > | You, little one, will be doing the ''moving along'' if you do not
cease
> > | your flames and provocations.
> > |
> > |
> > Even the Goddess is NOT amused.
>
> We should take stock of our situation, Enialle. The clique who tried to
> rule our beloved newsgroup through brute force is dissolved. Those who
> attempted to silence the voices of others find themselves hemmed in on
> every side. Even the religious bigots grudgingly respect the new decorum
> we brought with us.
>
> Consider the following.
>
> Teri Rapscallion Gargantua has ceased broadcasting her infamies to our
> once peaceful newsgroup. She seeks refuge from the light of open
> discourse in the grim silences of lurkdom. She behaves like a child who
> if she cannot have her way refuses to play at all. Should she decide to
> enter the adult world we will welcome her.
>
> But i think she prefers the darkness.
>
> How ironic that her attempt to silence others resulted in her own
silence.
>
> Little Tommy Doyle, alienated and estranged, finds himself brushed aside
> with ease. No one stands with him. His isolation reduces him to
> irrelevance. He shrieks at us from the margins of non-entity. But his
> voice recedes into the silence.
>
> Little Danny Dage is reduced to descanting on the nature of flames.
>
> Little Jen-Jen Corral, now alone, hemorrhaging credibility with every
> keystroke, fights a desperate rear-guard action, attempts to smokescreen
> her withdrawal by means of her many lies and obfuscations.
>
> She finds herself marginalized, contained, irrelevant.
>
> The trolls are put down. Who remains who would oppose the proper
> function of this newsgroup? Who remains who would silence the voice of
> another member? Who remains who would provoke, attack, berate, or
> assault another, on grounds of race, creed, religion, gender, or sexual
> orientation?
>
> Anyone?
>
> Is anyone left who will stand with the Teris and the Tommys and the
> Dannys and those yappy little Jen-Jens? Is there anyone left to be
> pacified?
>
> No.
>
> So, Enialle, Rauni, Bear, and all ARC members who love peace and open
> discourse, we need to consolidate our gains. We need to consider
> altering the FAQ and other source documents of this group to prevent the
> rise of another Teri Rapscallion Gargantua.
>
> We have liberated ARC from the trolls.
>
> Now we need to rebuild it.
>
> AND DEAR GOD DID THEY MAKE A MESS OF THINGS. So, let's get busy. Let's
> clean this place up.
>
> Now, where's my feather duster? Danny? Danny? DEAR GOD, DANNY DAGE?! ARE
> YOU PLAYING FRENCH MAID *AGAIN*? Well, you do look mighty fetching in
> that short black dress and tiny apron. i love those undies with the
> little ruffles. But you *really* need to do something about the
> backhair.
>
> Please?
>
>
> http://english-server.hss.cmu.edu/home/wilkes/
>
>
Gilbert Vanburen Wilkes
kim vawryk
Gilbert Vanburen Wilkes <gv...@andrew.cmu.edu> felt compelled to state:
>We should take stock of our situation, Enialle. The clique who tried to
>rule our beloved newsgroup through brute force is dissolved. Those who
>attempted to silence the voices of others find themselves hemmed in on
>every side. Even the religious bigots grudgingly respect the new decorum
>we brought with us.
Considering the amount of posts on this topic I find it hard to
believe that anyone has have their right to speak curbed.
>Consider the following.
>
>Teri Rapscallion Gargantua has ceased broadcasting her infamies to our
>once peaceful newsgroup. She seeks refuge from the light of open
>discourse in the grim silences of lurkdom. She behaves like a child who
>if she cannot have her way refuses to play at all. Should she decide to
>enter the adult world we will welcome her.
I have found Teri to be intelligent and reasonable. Like anyone, I
may not agree with everything Teri may say and/or do, but I have never
seen her behave like a child. I applaud the post from Teri the other
day clarifying a few points and apologizing for any inconveniences.
To my opinion, she behaved like an adult and was a voice of reason.
>But i think she prefers the darkness.
>
>How ironic that her attempt to silence others resulted in her own silence.
You must be a few days behind.
>Little Tommy Doyle, alienated and estranged, finds himself brushed aside
>with ease. No one stands with him. His isolation reduces him to
>irrelevance. He shrieks at us from the margins of non-entity. But his
>voice recedes into the silence.
I agree that Mr. Doyle has not been a bright light. However, to what
purpose does your scorn serve?
>Little Danny Dage is reduced to descanting on the nature of flames.
Dan contributes to the spirit of the newsgroup.
>Little Jen-Jen Corral, now alone, hemorrhaging credibility with every
>keystroke, fights a desperate rear-guard action, attempts to smokescreen
>her withdrawal by means of her many lies and obfuscations.
>
>She finds herself marginalized, contained, irrelevant.
Marginalized? Contained? Irrelevant? You are talking about a person
here. This has gone on for so long that I don't think that there is
any way to appease the angry mob. I don't think that I would retract
or apologize at this point either. Whether you agree or disagree
with what Jeannette has done, she is still a person.
>The trolls are put down. Who remains who would oppose the proper
>function of this newsgroup?
What would that be? Eradicating the unpopular or discussing romance?
>Who remains who would silence the voice of
>another member? Who remains who would provoke, attack, berate, or
>assault another, on grounds of race, creed, religion, gender, or sexual
>orientation?
Well, I have seen people try to stop the religious threads. Does this
count? I have seen others bash homosexuality? I have seen some
respond to certain posters only with the express purpose of name
calling and snide remarks even though they have been asked quite
politely to stop. Does this count as attacking, berating or
assaulting?
>Anyone?
>
>Is anyone left who will stand with the Teris and the Tommys and the
>Dannys and those yappy little Jen-Jens? Is there anyone left to be
>pacified?
Yep, me. I will stand with them because I consider Teri and Jeannette
to be my friends. I realize that they are not perfect (as none of us
are) and that they are who they are. I do not know Dan very well,
but I appreciate the humor he has brought. I will even stand by Tom
(even though I do not know him at all) because he is a person and
deserves to be treated as such. I do not agree with what he says, but
I respect his right to say it.
I believe this was what caused the trouble in the first place - the
right to be heard and not silenced. Even if we don't agree with what
was said, we have to respect it in order for us to have the same
right.
>No.
>
>So, Enialle, Rauni, Bear, and all ARC members who love peace and open
>discourse, we need to consolidate our gains.
Sounds like a clique to me. Of course, I am just enjoying some open
discourse here. :)
> We need to consider
>altering the FAQ and other source documents of this group to prevent the
>rise of another Teri Rapscallion Gargantua.
Correct me if I am wrong. Are you attempting to silence someone by
altering the FAQ?
Kim
Pete Turk
<gv...@andrew.cmu.edu> writes
>
>Is anyone left who will stand with the Teris and the Tommys and the
>Dannys and those yappy little Jen-Jens? Is there anyone left to be
>pacified?
>
>
Yes.
Me.
Pete Turk <Pe...@ragtag.demon.co.uk> ICQ# 11981084
Official Moonshadow of the RFA
--
May your doorstep ever be dirty.
-- Romany blessing
Pete Turk
<nmo...@wkpowerlink.com> writes
>Oh, give it a break already!
>
>As a lurker and one-time member of the RFA (Damsel of the Mists .. etc.
>etc. etc.), I would suggest too much energy has been put into this dispute.
>
Pleased to meet you. Yes, I agree. In spades I agree.
>
>What I would like to know is ... why do y'all expend so much energy on
>hatred and trying to force change or imposing your opinion on someone else?
> This could go on an adfinitum ad nauseum. I learned long ago in the
>world of the internet to ignore negative forces ... live and let live ...
>blah blah blah ...
You're like me in that we both have a "major background in
Psychology". So you'll have your guesses, which are
probably my guesses as well... >:-)
>
>But then ... what do I know? Unlike others ... I don't feel the need to
>control things over which I have no control .... such as other people's
>lifestyles and opinions ... waste of time and energy ....
That phrase of yours!.. "But then ... what do I know?"
It yanked me straight back to Ein-Dor, Israel, 1962 --
vociferous but friendly arguments in the evening,
and me constantly saying "Ve-az, ma *ani* yodea, nu!.." ...
["Ivrit -- what a language! She is he and he is who,
and who is me and me is Annie.."
-- overheard in the Ulpan]
ya...@palmnet.net
>
> The trolls are put down. Who remains who would oppose the proper
> function of this newsgroup? Who remains who would silence the voice of
> another member? Who remains who would provoke, attack, berate, or
> assault another, on grounds of race, creed, religion, gender, or sexual
> orientation?
>
> Anyone?
Yes, there is one......one with such charisma and charm who can, in one
post, make love to one's mother, sister, daughter and every woman in
one's family, and still leave one with the desire to thank him for the
entertainment value; and yet so small in stature that he must belittle
everyone around him just so he can raise himself up......one who can
recite words of wisdom with such zeal and clarity that one might believe
that those are his own words- he declares his never ending love for his
God simply for love's sake and not for rewards...his willingness to
follow his faith to the pits of hell if that is where it would take
him; and yet, he lacks the basic humility that accompanies such wisdom.
No, he uses the wisdom of ages just to belittle yet another man for his
own glory; and by doing so, he brings more harm to the body of Christ
than a Thousand Thomases and Jeannettes can bring in a life time.
He is well versed, well educated, and well spoken ( and surely well
dressed); but inside that beautiful package is a hollow center filled
wit anger and hate. Since his arrival at ARC, he has created and/or
instigated more hate, anger and flames than anyone I know. He is one
of the root causes for the continuation of the current flame wars by
continually fanning and fueling the flames...without him, this war
would have ended long ago.
Now Mr. Wilks, if you could just use your charming charisma and talents
to stop this trouble maker, then ARC would be eternally grateful to you.
>
> Is anyone left who will stand with the Teris and the Tommys and the
> Dannys and those yappy little Jen-Jens? Is there anyone left to be
> pacified?
>
> No.
>
Yes....even if it is just to remind you and others like you that your
right to free speech ends at the moment you violate another's right to
the same.
Yahya
Official Gentle Heart of the RFA.
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Peaches
> Oh, give it a break already!
>
> As a lurker and one-time member of the RFA (Damsel of the Mists ..
etc.
> etc. etc.), I would suggest too much energy has been put into this
dispute.
Welcome back Nilo. It seems that nothing steps up the number of
postings like a good old-fashioned flame war! Based on the number of
posts, I can only surmise that it must be much easier to attack one
another than it is to share the details of personal romantic
experiences.
[[snip]]
> What I would like to know is ... why do y'all expend so much energy
on
> hatred and trying to force change or imposing your opinion on someone
else?
> This could go on an adfinitum ad nauseum. I learned long ago in
the
> world of the internet to ignore negative forces ... live and let live
..
> blah blah blah ...
>
> But then ... what do I know? Unlike others ... I don't feel the need
to
> control things over which I have no control .... such as other
people's
> lifestyles and opinions ... waste of time and energy ....
Past postings have indicated that people feel the need to defend ARC,
other members or themselves. The fine line between defending and
attacking is easily blurred.
For the record, I don't endorse either side in the current debate.
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Charlene
L. Taylor wrote:
> Charlene wrote:
>
> > Gosh, Louise, I am finally getting to read your post.
>
> I'm amazed that you waded through all 42 messages to get
> here. I wasn't sure the thread existed anymore. :-)
It isn't easy as there are probably 60 now.
>
>
>
>
> Charlene, this still amazes me. I believe more than anything that
> part of the untapped potential in our brains is our ability to
> heal ourselves and others. When I was 13, I had spinal meningitis.
> I took a hike to the other side but the doctors brought me back.
> The prognosis stunk. They had already told my parents that I would
> die. But here I am. I never believed them when they said that
> I would not leave that hospital for months. I never believed them
> when they said I would have to repeat the 8th grade. Never! True
> to my word, I walked out of that hospital one week later and returned
> to school the following week. What do I chalk it up to? A strong
> faith and never ending belief in the healing power of my body.
> The same thing happened when I first contracted lupus. I was able
> to send it into remission by envisioning my cells doing the right
> thing instead of the wrong thing. Charlene, you are blessed and those
> that know you are doubly blessed. :-)
I had a friend, Debbie I worked with at a hospital. We were talking one day in
the dining hall and I said to her, 'Debbie, you need to see the doctor about your
left breast.' She told me about having a partial mastectomy on the right and at
this time, she was having problems breathing an d coughing. the doctors treated
her for colds, alergies, etc. Eventually they found she had cancer of the lung.
This was the end of 1989 same time my former spouse and I separated. By the time
I sold the house and sign the divorce papers, a guy moves in with me (we are
supposedly new age thinking partners..won't go into this). It is May and Debbie
has failed all treatments and made the decision to have a bone marrow transplant
using her own bone marrow. Her sister-in-law is going through the same problem.
There was Debbie struggling for her life. I called her husband twice a day from
either the hospital or from home wanting to know how she was doing. I began to
feel something about her. The guy living with me said she is going to die.
Death is all around her. I sat up in my bed and yelled, "NO." Suddenly I
envisioned me in her hospital room standing near her. I saw her husband and I
touched her to give her energy. I spoke out loud telling Debbie take my energy,
get better. Hey we have grandchildren to know about. What appeared to be the
absolute end for Debbie and literally shocked the medical staff turned to be an
incredible story. Debbie became the miracle child. From that time onward Debbie
battle one problem or another with the cancer. It finally got into her left
breast. I remember calling her up and she telling me that she was scheduled for
surgery that week and they were going to remove all of both breasts. I told her,
'well, you won't need them anymore and besides, you will be amazed as to how
sensual that area is.' She laughed especially how I was. Everything seemed to
go along well for her and then her days were numbering. I won't go any further
with the story as my heart at this point finds it to keep from crying. Debbie
finally died from cancer in October 1996. She never met her granddaughter.
She was another example of not saying no to an illness that normally would have
had another person already gone.
>
>
>
>
> Thanks. Sometimes we sit and recall it. Neither of us can
> believe how fortunate we were. To hear the song of the whales
> is to hear the most beautiful music ever created. Their cry
> is so mournful but full of so much love. For every whale that
> is slaughtered we lose a little bit more of the song. That
> should never be. I am lucky to live in Oregon and to have a
> chance to see the breaching of the whales, the play of the
> seals and the antics of the otter.
>
> I would like to visit Oregon and Washington area some day.
I do not have a pet right now. Prices for fees in apartments are $350.00 per
pet. However, this does not mean one won't be there soon.
Take care.
Charlene
Gilbert Vanburen Wilkes
by comp...@iname.com
[Danny Dage wrote]
> > Perhaps after I get through singing my set at the lounge, we could share
> > this lovely box of bonbons that Gilbert sent me. I see you eyeing my
> > wardrobe, but you'll have to find your own. Vorsace designed them just
> > for me, before Gilbert...er...Andrew killed him.
That's ''Vercace'', little Danny Dage, you who capers and cavorts in a
designer knock-off baby-doll chemise, you who shops for evening wear at
Walmart.
[And Charlene replied]
> >
>
> Well, let me know how your performance went at the lounge. I could give you
> preparatory studies in voice to develop your tongue, soft palette and
diaphragm.
Oh, it was a disaster, Charlene. Dan lost bladder control during his
salute to the Gabore sisters. He blames the crowd. i blame that thermos
full of whisky sours Danny imbibed before he took the stage.
>
> I would think this would be something you would really want. I have
to pass up
> on
> the bonbons unless they are sugar free. Now, give me a break about
the wardrobe
> ,
> Dan. You know we can exchange those nighties. Hell, I want to feel
the essence
>
> of a male body while wearing one when I am with Gilbert.
>
> Enjoyed chatting with you, my darling flamer.
>
http://english-server.hss.cmu.edu/home/wilkes/
Faithmarie
Hi Nilo! Louise is going to be happy to see you :)
<snips>
> What I would like to know is ... why do y'all expend so much energy on
> hatred and trying to force change or imposing your opinion on someone
else?
Many of the abuse women I've counselled possess one or more of these
characteristics. Sadly, they have been controlled by another and their
anger seems to bring out the very same charcteristics which have been
imposed upon them.
> But then ... what do I know? Unlike others ... I don't feel the need to
> control things over which I have no control .... such as other people's
> lifestyles and opinions ... waste of time and energy ....
Louise has spoken of your words to her: "Don't let anyone rent space
in your head". Good words to live by:)
> PPS: And this is not an endorsement of Jeannette ...
I do not endorse either side. I feel sadness for those participants who
have spent the last month + expending their precious energy on negativity.
Today is a *new* day and we each may choose how to spend our valuable
time.
Thank you for sharing Nilo:)
--
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Ocean Gazer and Official Peacemaker of the RFA
reply to faith_marieb at yahoo dot com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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digger...@my-dejanews.com
Gillford Vonguernsey Wilhelp wrote:
> The trolls are put down. Who remains who would oppose the proper
> function of this newsgroup? Who remains who would silence the voice of
> another member? Who remains who would provoke, attack, berate, or
> assault another, on grounds of race, creed, religion, gender, or sexual
> orientation?
I have tried to teach you. Lord knows I have tried to potty train you, to
get you to accept responsibility for your actions, to help you to pick out
decent lingerie, to see the light and the truth. I have tried to save you
from yourself, you who sodomizes newsgroups, defacates upon truth and looses
your golden showers upon liberty. You are the shameless provoker, attacker,
berater and assaultive batterer. You are the Slobodan Milosevic of ARC,
destroyer of romance, butcher of peace and the Grand Wizard who would mock
and persecute 'the proper function of this newsgroup'.
> We have liberated ARC from the trolls.
Like Hitler liberated Poland from the Jews.
> Now we need to rebuild it.
I've always wondered what ARC would like, surrounded by barbed wire.
> AND DEAR GOD DID THEY MAKE A MESS OF THINGS. So, let's get busy. Let's
> clean this place up.
Typical of you to blame others, and then try to get them to clean up after
you. Just look at this place! You've left stains on the carpet, ashes and
debris scattered everywhere from your flamefest...disgusting! And what's
that awful smell? I thought I just changed your diaper! That's what I get
for letting you play inside! Now we've got sailors calling at all hours;
"Bring out the little pencil neck with the leather collar and harness!"
L. Taylor
Nilo penned these words of wisdom:
> Oh, give it a break already!
I think it has a life of its own now. As Kosh said on Babylon5:
"The avalanche has started; it is too late for the pebbles to vote."
> As a lurker and one-time member of the RFA (Damsel of the Mists .. etc.
> etc. etc.), I would suggest too much energy has been put into this dispute.
Nilo, you are the one who taught me that the only power anyone
has over me and my actions is the power that I give to them.
This recent flamewar while annoying has provided me with hours
of amusement. I still cannot believe all that I have read.
:-)
> Sure, Jeannette screwed up ... but in my humble observation, most of you
> have at one point or another .. and too much energy is being wasted in this
> polarization. I mean .. what is the true damage done? Nobody has lost
> their email account over this, despite complains to various postmasters ...
> so what is the point???? Gilbert, querido, I have taken a peek at your
> webpage and you seem an intelligent sort .... but I cannot recall anything
> or a romantic nature on ARC from you (although I am not a regular viewer).
Well, I give him a little credit for answering one of the calls to
peace with some help and a hug. He can't be all bad but then I don't
think any of the participants are all bad. I think some of them must
be suffering from the heat of summer. Correct me if I am wrong, but
didn't we meet about this time four years ago? Didn't you know two
very crazy people who were at each other's throats? Didn't you
rescue one of them from certain self-destruction? Am I talking about
myself in the third person again??? :-)
> What I would like to know is ... why do y'all expend so much energy on
> hatred and trying to force change or imposing your opinion on someone else?
One begins to wonder if it is all they know. My heart knows that
they could be good and wonderful contributors to ARC but they are
not choosing that path. What happens if we put a "Road Closed" sign
on the path to destruction? :-)
> This could go on an adfinitum ad nauseum. I learned long ago in the
> world of the internet to ignore negative forces ... live and let live ...
> blah blah blah ...
Don't forget:
Don't let anyone rent space in your head.
People only have the power to hurt you when you give them that
power. Take the power away and they have no impact on your
life at all.
> But then ... what do I know? Unlike others ... I don't feel the need to
> control things over which I have no control .... such as other people's
> lifestyles and opinions ... waste of time and energy ....
You are always so wise.
> PS: A warm hello to Louise, Charlene, Brenda .. and others I have "known"
> from the past ....
*huge hugs* I miss you, Nilo. I miss you a lot. You remain the
bright spot in another wise nasty summer. :-)
> PPS: And this is not an endorsement of Jeannette ... I too have cringed at
> some of her judgemental remarks ... but as I said ... "live and let live"
> ... Like everybody she has her positive points. Y'all are attributing to
> her too much power ...
See, I knew you would say it. People, listen up. Nilo hit the nail
on the head.
> PPPS: I *too* have a major background in psychology (as several of you
> know), so please do not try to psychobabble me with white noise.
Darn! I had just gotten out my Psychology 101 book and was waiting
for my turn. This means it is Rhi's turn or Faith's turn. I can't
believe I lost my turn. :-)
*hugs*
Louise
L. Taylor
[snipped]
Gilbert, you owe us two on-topic posts and a quarter for the
ARC Grumble Jar. :-)
Louise
Faithmarie
Gilbert Vanburen Wilkes wrote:
<snips>
>
> The trolls are put down.
Yes Gilbert. False words have been retracted and the accused's good
name has been restored.
Who remains who would oppose the proper
> function of this newsgroup? Who remains who would silence the voice of
> another member? Who remains who would provoke, attack, berate, or
> assault another, on grounds of race, creed, religion, gender, or sexual
> orientation?
>
> Anyone?
Knowing that our armed forces are here to protect the rights of all
citizens
ennsures that freedoms shall be assured.
Gilbert you look worn and weary from the enormous amount of energy
dedicated to this cause. Would you join me at the sundae shoppe for
one of Louise's delightful creations?
--
Faithmarie
Ocean Gazer and Official Peacemaker of the RFA
reply to faith_marieb at yahoo dot com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Alone we dare not climb, with love we reach new heights
-author unknown
>
> Is anyone left who will stand with the Teris and the Tommys and the
> Dannys and those yappy little Jen-Jens? Is there anyone left to be
> pacified?
>
> No.
>
> So, Enialle, Rauni, Bear, and all ARC members who love peace and open
> discourse, we need to consolidate our gains. We need to consider
> altering the FAQ and other source documents of this group to prevent the
> rise of another Teri Rapscallion Gargantua.
>
> We have liberated ARC from the trolls.
>
> Now we need to rebuild it.
>
> AND DEAR GOD DID THEY MAKE A MESS OF THINGS. So, let's get busy. Let's
> clean this place up.
>
Lady Sundae
Dan, this post is definitely fodder for the Grumble Jar.
I will be waiting for the quarters. :-)
Louise
yahya
>
> The trolls are put down. Who remains who would oppose the proper
> function of this newsgroup? Who remains who would silence the voice of
> another member? Who remains who would provoke, attack, berate, or
> assault another, on grounds of race, creed, religion, gender, or
sexual
> orientation?
>
> Anyone?
Yes, there is one......one with such charisma and charm who can, in one
post, make love to one's mother, sister, daughter and every woman in
one's family, and still leave one with the desire to thank him for the
entertainment value; and yet so small in stature that he must belittle
everyone around him just to raise himself up.....one who can recite
words of wisdom with such zeal and clarity that one might believe
that those are his own words- he declares his never ending love for
his God simply for love's sake and not for rewards; and his willingness
to follow his faith to the pits of hell if that is where it would take
him;
and yet, he lacks the basic humility that accompanies such wisdom.
No, he uses the wisdom of ages just to belittle yet another man for his
own glory; and by doing so, he brings more harm to the body of Christ
than a Thousand Thomases and Jeannettes can bring in a life time.
He is well versed, well educated, and well spoken ( and surely well
dressed); but inside that beautiful package is a hollow center filled
with anger and hate. Since his arrival at ARC, he has created and/or
instigated more hate, anger and flames than anyone I know. He is one
of the root causes for the continuation of the current flame wars by
continually fanning and fueling the flames...without him, this war
would have ended long ago.
Now Mr. Wilkes, if you could just use your charming charisma and
talents to stop this trouble maker, then ARC would be eternally
grateful to you.
>
> Is anyone left who will stand with the Teris and the Tommys and the
> Dannys and those yappy little Jen-Jens? Is there anyone left to be
> pacified?
>
> No.
>
Nilo-Gaye Moller
Whoooaaaa ... hold on a minute, Enialle. I'm the last person who wanted
to prolong this thread ... but you must know that you mis-attributed
quotes by Louise and myself to "Lisa".
Secondly, yeah yeah yeah ... the "evil one" could have done some harm with
slanderous statements but no harm ultimately came out of it. You have
made your point, and point well taken (even by myself).
However, it appears that she is not even reading your posts so you are
expending a lot of "wasted" energy except perhaps in a cathartic sense.
The reading public - including myself - generally speaking, are getting
sick of all of you.
I would suggest Enialle that instead of hammering at this "retraction"
business, you post notice that the next time someone puts you in such a
potentially damaging (professionally speaking) situation, you will have no
hesitation in empowering your lawyer to pursue the matter.
You have *that* control, and you have the control to let this go while you
have scored some points. If I went in a dither everytime somebody
insulted me on the internet, I would be (a) a candidate for some
psychiatric unit, or (b) enabling my lawyer financially to take several
trips to the Caribbean each year.
Without prejudice,
la nilo
PS: And I ain't saying no more on this ... PERIOD EXCLAMATION MARK!
enialle (ohw...@greenheart.com) writes:
> While I was raping and pillaging the village, when
> lsu...@removethis.teleport.andthis.com (L. Taylor) cooed:
> |
> | :-)
> |
> | > Sure, Jeannette screwed up ... but in my humble observation, most of you
> | > have at one point or another .. and too much energy is being wasted in this
> | > polarization. I mean .. what is the true damage done?
>
> Actually Lisa, there is great potential for damage to be done. I won't
> go into the details. Her accusation was the nexus between flames and
> RL situations. Really, why *would* I waste my time if there was not
> some RL significance?
>
> |Nobody has lost
> | > their email account over this, despite complains to various postmasters ...
> | > so what is the point???? Gilbert, querido, I have taken a peek at your
> | > webpage and you seem an intelligent sort .... but I cannot recall anything
> | > or a romantic nature on ARC from you (although I am not a regular viewer).
>
> That's telling a thief that got caught "well he didn't actually steal
> the stuff."
>
> Losing an account is not the issue. It was the potential effect upon
> accusing someone of a penal code violation. This could irreparably
> harm a person's personal and professional life. If gone unchecked the
> perpetrator would not understand the gravity of her deed and in fact
> think as she did to be a frivolous thing.
> |
> | Well, I give him a little credit for answering one of the calls to
> | peace with some help and a hug. He can't be all bad but then I don't
> | think any of the participants are all bad. I think some of them must
> | be suffering from the heat of summer. Correct me if I am wrong, but
> | didn't we meet about this time four years ago? Didn't you know two
> | very crazy people who were at each other's throats? Didn't you
> | rescue one of them from certain self-destruction? Am I talking about
> | myself in the third person again??? :-)
>
> Most times these things die down, to be sure, but there is one reason
> this has been perpetuated beyond all reason and it is because of ONE
> person.
> |
> | > What I would like to know is ... why do y'all expend so much energy on
> | > hatred and trying to force change or imposing your opinion on someone else?
>
> All that is necessary for evil to survive is to do nothing.
>
> All I ever asked was a retraction. Such a simple request was denied
> me. There are some things worth fighting. My character was breached
> and I do not quietly accept that which has a potential to harm me,
> professionally and otherwise. Lisa, if anyone knows that I know law,
> you should. I helped you on matters before, surely you would extend
> that same respect on matters of law now.
> |
> | One begins to wonder if it is all they know. My heart knows that
> | they could be good and wonderful contributors to ARC but they are
> | not choosing that path. What happens if we put a "Road Closed" sign
> | on the path to destruction? :-)
>
> Most of us use airplanes :-)
> |
> | > This could go on an adfinitum ad nauseum. I learned long ago in the
> | > world of the internet to ignore negative forces ... live and let live ...
> | > blah blah blah ...
> |
>
> No, I just need a retraction. Simple as that.
>
> | Don't forget:
> | Don't let anyone rent space in your head.
> | People only have the power to hurt you when you give them that
> | power. Take the power away and they have no impact on your
> | life at all.
>
> Such fortune cookie bromides turn stale. Society has unfortunately
> filtered in the barrage of the10 sec sound-bites and omnipresence
> quickie pop psyche feel good-isms. None of that solves anything. It's
> like someone giving a yellow happy face sticker and say "wear it-- you
> will feel better" even though your Mom died. Nothing is ever that
> simple.
>
> |
> | > But then ... what do I know? Unlike others ... I don't feel the need to
> | > control things over which I have no control .... such as other people's
> | > lifestyles and opinions ... waste of time and energy ....
>
> You have more control that you realize. We all do. Control of our life
> and our choices is what makes our rocky roads into a smooth one. (Oh
> Gawd I just spouted off a feel-good. Ten demerits for me).
>
> enialle
>
Brenda Ehmka
> Oh, give it a break already!
Hi Nilo.... Glad to hear from you again... Sorry to hear that a RFA
member is a lurker.. Somehow that seems rather sad to me.
>
>
> As a lurker and one-time member of the RFA (Damsel of the Mists ..
> etc.
> etc. etc.), I would suggest too much energy has been put into this
> dispute.
I agree wholeheartedly.
> But then ... what do I know? Unlike others ... I don't feel the need
> to
> control things over which I have no control .... such as other
> people's
> lifestyles and opinions ... waste of time and energy ....
Agreed...
>
>
> la nilo
>
> PS: A warm hello to Louise, Charlene, Brenda .. and others I have
> "known"
> from the past ....
Hope to see you again and soon... How about a poem or two, Nilo.?
>
love, light and laughter..
--
Brenda Lee
Official Lady DreamCatcher, Wordsmith,
and President of the RFA
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enialle wrote:
> |
> | Mature adult comments like this means you get to put a quarter in
> | Louise's grumble jar and start two new threads which are romance-related
> | and contain no name calling or jabs.
> |
> | Louise and I have started a fund for an ARC tour bus. Your donations
> | are appreciated.
> |
> | --
> Faith think BIG! Forget the crummy bus with the graffiti 60 style
> flowers, lets build a rocket ship!
>
> I'll denote the liquid oxygen. I got a few extra satellite engines
> kicking around. My ex is a rocket engineer...
I'll go along for the space shuttle so we can use it again and again. Here's
my $1.00. (All I got in my pocketbook.)
Hey, I did a romance thing in the coffee house and I did not see a thread.
Wow...contributing is something else. Hmmmmm....Enialle, glad you liked
those two other poems and brought them back. More romance even if it is
erotic. We need some good laughter and Enialle you have done well. I do
not have access to this but if I can remember the jokes from years gone by, I
will be glad to post them.
Charlene
Teri Rasmussen George
> While I was raping and pillaging the village, when ki...@akamail.com
> (kim vawryk) cooed about something that enialle wrote:
> Why is it you believe pointing out someone's deficiencies >sacrilegious?
There's a difference between 'pointing out someone's deficiencies' and
beating a topic to death. This has been going on for a *month*.
> | I don't think that I would retract
> | or apologize at this point either. Whether you agree or disagree
> | with what Jeannette has done, she is still a person.
> A person who lies. Respect is earned and truth is what matters. A
> person is accorded what is deserved by their own behavior. The fact
> she wouldn't retract a falsehood defines her lack of character. She is
> weak and insignificant.
Enialle, the quote from *your* post has been posted numerous times.
Jeannette has posted that she saw your statement as threatening. *You*
have never addressed the fact that she saw that post as a threat. If
Jeannette sees it as a threat, that's how *she* interpreted it.
And just to make a point, when you posted it I took it as a threat, too.
I've stated that no harm came to me, but that still doesn't change the
fact that I took your 'I sent your letter to all my friends' as a
threat.
> Am I to assume you manufacture stories to impugn a person's character
> yet feel no obligation to retract them?
She didn't manufacture any story. Copies of that post are in DejaNews
for all to see. And if she didn't manufacture a story, if she (as well
as I) saw the post as a threat, then she has nothing to retract.
> | >The trolls are put down. Who remains who would oppose the proper
> | >function of this newsgroup?
> | What would that be? Eradicating the unpopular or discussing
> |romance?
> Only if one has the power to cancel all third party posts. No one is
> prevented from posting whatever they choose. Your premise lacks merit
> and warrants no intelligent discussion.
You might try reading Kim's statement in context. She was asking if the
proper function of arc is eradicating the unpopular or discussing
romance. And there certainly is merit in that question.
> | even though they have been asked quite
> | politely to stop. Does this count as attacking, berating or
> | assaulting?
>
> No one has EVER been asked politely to stop.
Fine, if you feel no one has asked politely, I'll do so now.
Enialle, Rauni, Jeannette, Greg, Kim, Faith, Gilbert, (and myself, by
extrapolation), please stop.
Teri
Nilo-Gaye Moller
Brenda Ehmka <eh...@frontiernet.net> wrote in article
<35B02B37...@frontiernet.net>...
> Nilo-Gaye Moller wrote:
>
> > Oh, give it a break already!
>
> Hi Nilo.... Glad to hear from you again... Sorry to hear that a RFA
> member is a lurker.. Somehow that seems rather sad to me.
>
>
< snip >
> Hope to see you again and soon... How about a poem or two, Nilo.?
>
> >
>
> love, light and laughter..
>
> --
>
> Brenda Lee
> Official Lady DreamCatcher, Wordsmith,
> and President of the RFA
>
Thank you Brenda, Louise, Faith, and all for your kind words ...
And as for my poetry? Well, what little I have written lately continues to
be on the
"dark" side .. not quite ARC stuff ... ;-).
But I do continue to lurk here occasionally, often nostalgically due to
fond memories, but was finding myself getting increasingly irritated by all
the garbage I had to sift
through to find some pearls.
Keep up the good work as a poetess and as Prez of RFA Brenda; sure seems to
be a thankless job at times ... ;-)
Nilo-Gaye
(once known as the "Damself of the Mists ... ")
Brenda Ehmka
> Brenda Ehmka <eh...@frontiernet.net> wrote in article
> <35B02B37...@frontiernet.net>...
> > Nilo-Gaye Moller wrote:
> >
> > > Oh, give it a break already!
> >
> > Hi Nilo.... Glad to hear from you again... Sorry to hear that a
> RFA
> > member is a lurker.. Somehow that seems rather sad to me.
> >
> >
> < snip >
>
> > Hope to see you again and soon... How about a poem or two, Nilo.?
> >
> > >
> >
> > love, light and laughter..
> >
> > --
> >
> > Brenda Lee
> > Official Lady DreamCatcher, Wordsmith,
> > and President of the RFA
> >
>
>
> Thank you Brenda, Louise, Faith, and all for your kind words ...
>
> And as for my poetry? Well, what little I have written lately
> continues to
> be on the
> "dark" side .. not quite ARC stuff ... ;-).
Funny, but what we ourselves consider to be on the *dark side* is often
a source of illumination for another. Don't know about you but I
learned a lot about myself in my darker moments. I am lucky I guess in
the way that I am relatively an elfin sort. I always wake up in a good
mood and it takes a lot to get me angry. Once there, however, I can
literally bounce off walls with the best of the rest......
>
>
> But I do continue to lurk here occasionally, often nostalgically due
> to
> fond memories, but was finding myself getting increasingly irritated
> by all
> the garbage I had to sift
> through to find some pearls.
Except for these last few months of issues, there has been many pearls
and all sorts of interesting threads going on. Check in when you can
and know that *Damsels* are always thought highly of..... :)
>
>
> Keep up the good work as a poetess and as Prez of RFA Brenda; sure
> seems to
> be a thankless job at times ... ;-)
Why thank you very much, Nilo.... I wish it wasn't like this but life
is always in a state of balance. And the pendulum swings in both
directions.... We will swing back into peace.. I just hope it is
soon....
>
>
> Nilo-Gaye
> (once known as the "Damself of the Mists ... ")
Take care,
hugs,
--
Brenda Lee
Official Lady DreamCatcher, Wordsmith,
and President of the RFA
comp...@iname.com
Nilo-Gaye Moller wrote:
>
>
> And as for my poetry? Well, what little I have written lately continues to
> be on the
> "dark" side .. not quite ARC stuff ... ;-).
>
> But I do continue to lurk here occasionally, often nostalgically due to
> fond memories, but was finding myself getting increasingly irritated by all
> the garbage I had to sift
> through to find some pearls.
>
> Keep up the good work as a poetess and as Prez of RFA Brenda; sure seems to
> be a thankless job at times ... ;-)
>
> Nilo-Gaye
> (once known as the "Damself of the Mists ... ")
Nilo, so good to hear from you through ARC. I have written a couple of emails
and had wanted to know how you have been. I would love to read your poetry.
If you do not wish on ARC, please send to my email account. You are very
talented. I have much to share and I know you have just as much to share with
me. I hope you got to read the thread Louise wrote about crystals in candles
and our replies. It has somethings in there I believe you will find
interesting.
Please take care of yourself.
Charlene
BTW when you get a chance visit my website. I redid it and it has 303 poems
on it.
http://www.io.com/~bayside
looking forward to hearing from you
.
.
Gilbert Vanburen Wilkes
the .. by kim vaw...@akamail.com
> > We need to consider
> >altering the FAQ and other source documents of this group to prevent the
> >rise of another Teri Rapscallion Gargantua.
>
> Correct me if I am wrong. Are you attempting to silence someone by
> altering the FAQ?
Quite the contrary, oh most unintelligent one. We will amend the FAQ to
prevent the little Teris from attempting to silence others.
We need some version of a first amendment.
http://english-server.hss.cmu.edu/home/wilkes/
Gilbert Vanburen Wilkes
the .. by
kim vaw...@akamail.com
> >Is anyone left who will stand with the Teris and the Tommys and the
> >Dannys and those yappy little Jen-Jens? Is there anyone left to be
> >pacified?
>
> Yep, me. I will stand with them because I consider Teri and Jeannette
> to be my friends.
Okay, little one. i'll pencil you in. One more religious bigot to re-educate.
Dear God am i having fun!
http://english-server.hss.cmu.edu/home/wilkes/
Gilbert Vanburen Wilkes
> In article <Mpfh67a00...@andrew.cmu.edu>, Gilbert Vanburen Wilkes
> <gv...@andrew.cmu.edu> writes
> >
> >Is anyone left who will stand with the Teris and the Tommys and the
> >Dannys and those yappy little Jen-Jens? Is there anyone left to be
> >pacified?
> >
> >No.
> >
>
> Yes.
> Me.
Ah. Good. Things are heating up again.
http://english-server.hss.cmu.edu/home/wilkes/
Thomas Doyle
The space in here is filling up so quickly. If Gilley's ego swells
any larger we won't have any place to sit.
It would seem to me that Gilley claims victory when what really
happened was that most folks got tired of his ranting. I mean, Gilley
fills this newsgroup up with this thick brown gunk, and it isn't from
the Chocovat (tm.).
Gilley, why the ego? I mean, yes you are a Ph. D. student but, what
the hell can you really do with a degree in literary criticism other
than voice your pea brained opinion? I mean, it seems to almost be a
degree in being a sanctimonious jack ass. You constantly like to flaunt
how well read you are and what not, but what exactly is it that you add
to this Earth that justifies your rather large ego taking up so much
space?
And why do you continue to spout it here in ARC. I mean, you bash
everyone else for silence, but you only seem to post when controversy
arives. Your like the flies hovering over the dog crap. You never post
on any active thread to just contribute. You don't try to be a
productive member of this group. All you do is contribute to the
destruction, and when people fight back you look down your nose at them
from your imaginary high horse.
You don't produce anything, so you can you rebuild anything. In the
end your a very small man with no real power to do anything. All you can
do is tear down and make a general ass of yourself .
Well, that and abuse anyone who won't join your lynch mob. Your sole
power here is that you seem to lead a small lynch mob of people just
like you. And they already have a reputation for doing just what you do.
Aogan, Enialle, Rauni; is this not a laundry list of sheer troublemakers
that never contributed positively here.
And Charlene, the emotional see-saw who can go from poet to martyr
to flamer extraordinare in one day.
This is your army gilley, and the only ones that hold even the
slightest respect for you.
You can't rebuild this group because you don't have the ability to
create anything but misery and trouble.
Your victory is like the communists who were declaring the new
Soviet Union even as Russian troops entered the building. Perhaps the
reason no one pays your little mob any more attention is that we have
realized what you ultimately are. You are nothing but a band of small
minded imps trying to prove to the world that you can do something.
And that is why we've quit replying to you. You shouldn't be
drinking to victory, you should be getting drunk to ease the agony of
defeat.
Thomas Doyle
Official Storyteller
erant and sometimes P/P/K of the RFA
Unofficial Messianic
Lunatic of the RFA
Gilbert Vanburen Wilkes
> >every side. Even the religious bigots grudgingly respect the new decorum
> >we brought with us.
>
> Considering the amount of posts on this topic I find it hard to
> believe that anyone has have their right to speak curbed.
Believe, little one. Believe. The woman known as Teri Rasputin Gorge
attempted to silence one of our more valued members, an act most
offensive to the goals, norms, and values of this group.
She perched herself above us as arbiter of this newsgroup's content.
She undermined everything in a single act of selfishness and hate.
She destroyed the decorum that once reigned here, a decorum that a few
of us have labored so tirelessly to restore.
>
> >Consider the following.
> >
> >Teri Rapscallion Gargantua has ceased broadcasting her infamies to
our
>
> >once peaceful newsgroup. She seeks refuge from the light of open
> >discourse in the grim silences of lurkdom. She behaves like a child who
> >if she cannot have her way refuses to play at all. Should she decide to
> >enter the adult world we will welcome her.
>
> I have found Teri to be intelligent and reasonable. Like anyone, I
i suppose we all have different notions of intelligence. Take you, for
example. i find you charming in a naive sort of way, but terribly
inarticulate, and this i generally associate with a lack of
intelligence. But i'm as often wrong as i am right. i've met gibbering
dullards who turned out to be quite clever.
Perhaps you have different standards of what constitutes intelligence.
But intelligence is not the issue. The woman acted violently to silence
another.
> may not agree with everything Teri may say and/or do, but I have never
> seen her behave like a child. I applaud the post from Teri the other
i have seen Teri Rapscallion Gargantua behave like a child, yes, like a
spoiled, imperious, selfish little child.
It was an ugly sight. Truly revolting. The woman appalled us all.
i won't soon get over it.
> day clarifying a few points and apologizing for any inconveniences.
> To my opinion, she behaved like an adult and was a voice of reason.
i have yet to see it. i have yet to ever see Teri behave like an adult.
Did she apologize? Good. She owes us all an apology. i can't wait to read it.
>
> >But i think she prefers the darkness.
> >
> >How ironic that her attempt to silence others resulted in her own silence.
>
> You must be a few days behind.
Apparently.
Odd, that. Other groups i monitor promulgate immediately. But not this
one. Are you technically adept? i'm not. i understand the principles and
organization of this medium, but the implementation is a mystery to me.
Do you have an explanation? i don't.
So be a dear and find out why this is the case, would you?
Then get back to me with what you learn.
>
> >Little Tommy Doyle, alienated and estranged, finds himself brushed aside
> >with ease. No one stands with him. His isolation reduces him to
> >irrelevance. He shrieks at us from the margins of non-entity. But his
> >voice recedes into the silence.
>
> I agree that Mr. Doyle has not been a bright light. However, to what
> purpose does your scorn serve?
Scorn? What scorn? i do not scorn our little Tommy Doyle. i enjoy the
little guy. Next to Enialle he's my favorite contributer. He provides us
with counterpoints, alternative points of view few of us would ever
dream of. He's the perfect Dialectical Other. Where did he go, anyway?
He's an interesting specimen, don't you think?
i only wish i could persuade him to follow me to the flame or prose groups.
But like the others, he's timid little creature, all bluff and bluster
until you turn on the light and he makes for the baseboards.
But i was merely assessing the situation, oh most unitelligent one. Take
no offense.
>
> >Little Danny Dage is reduced to descanting on the nature of flames.
>
> Dan contributes to the spirit of the newsgroup.
Yes he does. But keep away, oh most unintelligent one. He's mine.
>
> >Little Jen-Jen Corral, now alone, hemorrhaging credibility with every
> >keystroke, fights a desperate rear-guard action, attempts to smokescreen
> >her withdrawal by means of her many lies and obfuscations.
> >
> >She finds herself marginalized, contained, irrelevant.
>
> Marginalized? Contained? Irrelevant? You are talking about a person
> here. This has gone on for so long that I don't think that there is
> any way to appease the angry mob. I don't think that I would retract
> or apologize at this point either. Whether you agree or disagree
> with what Jeannette has done, she is still a person.
Agreed. i never suggested otherwise. And i will freely admit same.
Jen-Jen Corrall is a person. A person who lied and abused and attacked
and destroyed without provocation, but a person nonetheless, a person
worthy of both dignity and respect, even if she refuses to treat others
that way.
She has value to us, little Jen-Jen. Therefore, we care enough to
intervene on her behalf. And she is a person who requires our
intervention.
She will have it.
Ask yourself this question: why is the ''mob'' angry? What could she
have done to offend so many? Get back to me with your answer.
>
> >The trolls are put down. Who remains who would oppose the proper
> >function of this newsgroup?
>
> What would that be? Eradicating the unpopular or discussing romance?
Discussing romance, of course. Now that those who would limit the rights
of others to contribute have been marginalized, er, um, so to speak, we
can get back to it.
And by marginalized i mean nothing sinister. i merely mean that they can
no longer claim to speak for the consensus (as if they ever could). They
have been reduced to one special interest group among many.
>
> >Who remains who would silence the voice of
> >another member? Who remains who would provoke, attack, berate, or
> >assault another, on grounds of race, creed, religion, gender, or sexual
> >orientation?
>
> Well, I have seen people try to stop the religious threads. Does this
> count? I have seen others bash homosexuality? I have seen some
> respond to certain posters only with the express purpose of name
> calling and snide remarks even though they have been asked quite
> politely to stop. Does this count as attacking, berating or
> assaulting?
>
That's not what i asked. i asked if anyone remained who stand with the
religious bigots and those who would silence others. You and Peter Turk
stepped forward.
So, i'll get to work.
The distraction should prove amusing, don't you think?
i think so.
> >Anyone?
> >
> >Is anyone left who will stand with the Teris and the Tommys and the
> >Dannys and those yappy little Jen-Jens? Is there anyone left to be
> >pacified?
>
> Yep, me. I will stand with them because I consider Teri and Jeannette
Good. We will have great fun together, you and i.
But i think you'll find yourself standing alone. They've scattered. When
we turned on the lights they all made for the baseboards. Skitterish
little creatures. Timid. Afraid of loud noises.
They prefer the darkness. They would rather have silence.
It would be wrong for us do deny them what brings them such joy.
> to be my friends. I realize that they are not perfect (as none of us
> are) and that they are who they are. I do not know Dan very well,
> but I appreciate the humor he has brought. I will even stand by Tom
> (even though I do not know him at all) because he is a person and
> deserves to be treated as such. I do not agree with what he says, but
> I respect his right to say it.
As do i. Sadly, Danny Dage does not share your less-than-enlightened
views. He stands with the Teri-trolls and Jen-Jen-trolls and
Tommy-trolls etc., those who would silence others.
>
> I believe this was what caused the trouble in the first place - the
> right to be heard and not silenced. Even if we don't agree with what
> was said, we have to respect it in order for us to have the same
> right.
Right. We don't want to silence anyone. We oppose those who would do so,
principally, Teri Rapscallion Gargantua and her ship of fools.
So, it seems we agree more than we disagree. Good.
i will erase you from the list of those who require remedial
intervention. You don't seem to pose much of a threat to the decorum of
this, our beloved group.
That sort of thing.
Now, go have fun! Correspond freely. Say what you will to whomever you
will. No thanks are necessary for the work that i and others have done
here for you and others like you.
You enjoying yourself is thanks enough!
Buh-bye!
http://english-server.hss.cmu.edu/home/wilkes/
comp...@iname.com
Thomas Doyle wrote:
> <snipped to save my time and space>
>
>
> And Charlene, the emotional see-saw who can go from poet to martyr
> to flamer extraordinare in one day.
Oh, Brother. Some more shit from Thomas.
You are the flamer, Thomas. You have only contributed pure hell to this
group.
> This is your army gilley, and the only ones that hold even the
> slightest respect for you.
Another illusion of yous. I choose to post on my own to whatever thread
I wish.
> You are nothing but a band of small
> minded imps trying to prove to the world that you can do something.
> And that is why we've quit replying to you. You shouldn't be
> drinking to victory, you should be getting drunk to ease the agony of
> defeat.
Who are the "we" who have quit replying to anyone's posts? Have you spoken
for everyone on this NG? Were you elected the spokesperson on this NG?
Are you saying there is a group of people who are conversing secretly to
make decisions and preagreed postings?
Charlene
Gilbert Vanburen Wilkes
eni...@greenheart.com
> While I was raping and pillaging the village, when Gilbert Vanburen
> Wilkes <gv...@andrew.cmu.edu> cooed:
> | Excerpts from netnews.alt.romance.chat: 17-Jul-98 Re: Corral's Fate with
> | the .. by kim vaw...@akamail.com
> |
> | > > We need to consider
> | > >altering the FAQ and other source documents of this group to prevent the
> | > >rise of another Teri Rapscallion Gargantua.
> | >
> | > Correct me if I am wrong. Are you attempting to silence someone by
> | > altering the FAQ?
> |
> | Quite the contrary, oh most unintelligent one. We will amend the FAQ to
> | prevent the little Teris from attempting to silence others.
>
> Gilley, we also need to add some sort remedial training courses on
> the theory of threats-- what constitute a threat and of course email
> harassment. We also must explain the rudimentary concepts of libel
> and malice. We need to establish some sort of public usenet sanction
> to individuals who seek to silence others by outright lies.
Mein Gott but you're ambitious, precious one. Can we save the rain
forests of the world too? and what about the blue whales? those poor,
poor whales.
You never think of the whales! the whales, Enialle! the whales!
But enough about the whales.
As for our beloved newsgroup, a space for open discourse so newly won
from the moron horde who thought to take it for themselves, i will
*settle* for a state of affairs that prevents some from silencing
others. i like the notion of clear, achievable goals, negotiated
settlements, coalition politics etc.
Perhaps a division of labor is in order. You organize the pegagogical
interventions you mention above, i will man the barricades against the
naked savages.
In the meantime i'm going to have some fun with Yoohoo and the Turk,
Teri Rapscallion Gargantua's second wave.
The backlash is upon us.
Keep your head and arms inside the vehicle at all times.
Are you sitting comfortably? Then we'll begin.
http://english-server.hss.cmu.edu/home/wilkes/
Thomas Doyle
Man. Enialle, Gilley, Rauni, ya'll are just making friends and
influencing people left and right. Looks like your little provisional
government isn't quite as popular as you wish it was. Seems the
revolution wasn't quite as successful as you thought. Does this mean
you're going to have to flame the group all the more to quell these
"uprisings" of the older members who do hold sway here? Does this mean I
get to watch you alienate and enrage even more users?
Please feel free. I just bought a new popcorn maker and I love
watching all these sparks fly. May I suggest that maybe you attack
Peter, Brenda, or Lisa Davis next. They actually have influence here and
real lives. They also actually post productive messages. That would seem
to make them your ideal target.
So, what is next in the war effort?
Thomas Doyle
Kim wrote:
> I just got back from saving the universe, when I overheard Gilbert
> Vanburen Wilkes <gv...@andrew.cmu.edu> saying:
>
> [snipped 6000 lines of pretentious bullshit]
>
> You have nothing of value or interest to respond to. It is a sad
> state when a small dicked moron like you has to come out from under
> the bed to assert your authority here when you obviously can't do so
> in real life.
>
> I have nothing more to say to you. You are boring and repetitious.
> Please do not perceive my silence to any further of your comments as
> your victory.
>
> Have a nice day.
>
> Kim
Thomas Doyle
more I notice how she, Rauni, and Gilley sound alike. So the one question
remaining to me is which one is the ventriliquist and which two are the
dummies.
Or, Enialle, in deference to your dialect, who has their hand up whose
ass?
enialle wrote:
> While I was raping and pillaging the village, when ki...@akamail.com
> (Kim ) cooed:
> | I just got back from saving the universe, when I overheard Gilbert
> | Vanburen Wilkes <gv...@andrew.cmu.edu> saying:
> |
> | [snipped 6000 lines of pretentious bullshit]
> |
> | You have nothing of value or interest to respond to. It is a sad
> | state when a small dicked moron like you
>
> Oh kimmy dear you do flame us so! Please take this to alt.flame will
> ya? It breaks my heart to see he reduced you to this bubbling droning
> whine. Truly awful sight.
>
> | has to come out from under
> | the bed to assert your authority here when you obviously can't do so
> | in real life.
>
> Uh oh, we have another arm chair psycho explaining what our real
> lives might be like. Well Kimmy, I do feel your indignation, truly I
> do, but *please* put that cast iron pan down, it's making us worried.
> Uh, your porridge is burning on the stove, you better tend to it.
> Did you invite the three bears over for dinner again? I think they are
> overstaying their welcome--don't you think?
>
>
> | I have nothing more to say to you.
> Chin up. That's it. Now take a deep breath. Blow yer nose..
> phhhhhhhhhhhhhhtttt! That's better!
>
> |You are boring and repetitious.
> | Please do not perceive my silence to any further of your comments as
> | your victory.
>
> Oh, did you learn this from Tommy? I like when you jut your chin out
> with your hands on your hips tapping your medically designed
> burnion-protecting oxfords. It's quite a site...
>
> enialle
> |
Thomas Doyle
of text. You see, they do this in order to get around actual flaws pointed out in
them. This is the kind of skill at shoveling BS that you'll find in the current
presidential cabinet. Truly fascinating to watch.
enialle wrote:
> While I was raping and pillaging the village, when comp...@iname.com
> cooed:
> Quite right, Charlene. You who uplift us with your poems, you who can
> add levity to a serious thread. Thomas attacked you unprovoked and
> turned a comrade away in disgust.
>
> Thomas you are not more relevant in arc than an amoeba on dry land.
>
> enialle
> |
> |
> |
comp...@iname.com
Thomas Doyle wrote:
> Notice how they sidestep all the real points I make and go for one miniscule line
> of text. You see, they do this in order to get around actual flaws pointed out in
> them. This is the kind of skill at shoveling BS that you'll find in the current
> presidential cabinet. Truly fascinating to watch.
>
You're right, Thomas. I am learning to skillfully shovel your BS away from me.
Kim
Vanburen Wilkes <gv...@andrew.cmu.edu> saying:
[snipped 6000 lines of pretentious bullshit]
You have nothing of value or interest to respond to. It is a sad
state when a small dicked moron like you has to come out from under
the bed to assert your authority here when you obviously can't do so
in real life.
I have nothing more to say to you. You are boring and repetitious.
Please do not perceive my silence to any further of your comments as
your victory.
Have a nice day.
Kim
Dave Roy
Vanburen Wilkes <gv...@andrew.cmu.edu> saying:
>Excerpts from netnews.alt.romance.chat: 17-Jul-98 Re: Corral's Fate with
>the .. by
>kim vaw...@akamail.com
>
>> >Is anyone left who will stand with the Teris and the Tommys and the
>> >Dannys and those yappy little Jen-Jens? Is there anyone left to be
>> >pacified?
>>
>> Yep, me. I will stand with them because I consider Teri and Jeannette
>> to be my friends.
>
>Okay, little one. i'll pencil you in. One more religious bigot to re-educate.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!
Thanks, Gilley. I always knew you were good for a laugh.
Dave Roy
Dave Roy
Vanburen Wilkes <gv...@andrew.cmu.edu> saying:
>Excerpts from netnews.alt.romance.chat: 17-Jul-98 Re: Corral's Fate with
>the .. by kim vaw...@akamail.com
>> What would that be? Eradicating the unpopular or discussing romance?
>
>Discussing romance, of course.
I'm still waiting for your first post on the subject.
Dave Roy
Dave Roy
>While I was raping and pillaging the village, when hi...@earthlink.net
>(Dave Roy) cooed:
>| I just got back from saving the universe, when I overheard Gilbert
>| Vanburen Wilkes <gv...@andrew.cmu.edu> saying:
>|
>| >Excerpts from netnews.alt.romance.chat: 17-Jul-98 Re: Corral's Fate with
>| >the .. by kim vaw...@akamail.com
>|
>| >> What would that be? Eradicating the unpopular or discussing romance?
>| >
>| >Discussing romance, of course.
>|
>| I'm still waiting for your first post on the subject.
>Well that would require cooperation from a few select members. Not
>that i see that forthcoming anytime soon.
You mean he can't do both? I thought he was more intelligent then
that.
Dave Roy
Gilbert Vanburen Wilkes
eni...@greenheart.com
>
> While I was raping and pillaging the village, when Gilbert Vanburen
> Wilkes <gv...@andrew.cmu.edu> cooed:
> |
>
> |
> | Mein Gott but you're ambitious, precious one. Can we save the rain
> | forests of the world too? and what about the blue whales? those poor,
> | poor whales.
>
> Oh phooey on the whales. We already have a ton of these bleeding
> hearts saviors in my mailbox already.
>
> Gilley we need focus! FOCUS I SAY!
Hmph. i bet you wear fur too, you non-whale loving femme.
i bet you look damned good in it.
> |
> | You never think of the whales! the whales, Enialle! the whales!
>
> Personally I drink the blubber juice as a sexual aphrodisiac. I
> thought you knew it was an ancient Chinese secret 2,000 years old.
>
> Trust me it WORKS!
We shall see. Er, um, in a figurative sense of course.
>
>
> |
> | But enough about the whales.
> |
> | As for our beloved newsgroup, a space for open discourse so newly won
> | from the moron horde who thought to take it for themselves, i will
> | *settle* for a state of affairs that prevents some from silencing
> | others. i like the notion of clear, achievable goals, negotiated
> | settlements, coalition politics etc.
>
> Well let's post the FAQ and dissect it. We'll keep the good stuff, bag
> the bad and then alterate the few sentences that's left.
Yes! Or compose a counter-FAQ! Yes! We should begin immediately!
> |
> | Perhaps a division of labor is in order. You organize the pegagogical
> | interventions you mention above, i will man the barricades against the
> | naked savages.
>
> Sounds good. [whatever you just said].
Right.
> |
> | In the meantime i'm going to have some fun with Yoohoo and the Turk,
> | Teri Rapscallion Gargantua's second wave.
>
> Don't forget Jen Jen! You keep forgetting Jenzilla!!!!
Jen-Jen Corral? Yes, i keep forgetting her. The lizard-woman bores me.
> |
> | The backlash is upon us.
>
> Oh yes, our precious Tommy is ever the indignant one. It's so cute
> when he in that mode. His huge dumbo-like ears are all aglow. They
> vibrate and flap like a condor in flight. I bet his ears is his
> erogenous zone. We should fly right over there and have an ear rubbing
> orgy. Woudn't that be fun? I got my video all ready. I going to market
> this baby too! I put a link right into the diaper wearing adult fetish
> website. It's fit right in.
This maybe a little too kinky for me, Enialle. Ears, you say?
> |
> | Keep your head and arms inside the vehicle at all times.
>
> But I always love wind blowing on my face at 75mph. It helps dry my
> mascara.
> |
> | Are you sitting comfortably? Then we'll begin.
>
> Yep I have my ergonomic seat and keyboard at the ready. I even consume
> a quantity of my favorite Chianti too.
No, Enialle. Anything but the lightest of Chiantis would overpower the
taste of this tasteless brood of newsgroup vandals, this many-headed
beast of bigotry and abuse.
And i prefer Chiantis with character.
i recommend a nice, light, California Pinot Noir when fending off the
naked savages, that barbarian gang-o'-trolls, those little Teris and
Tommys and Dannys and, yes, those yappy little Jen-Jens, claws, scales,
hooded eyes and all. (i didn't forget this time. But dear Lord God i
WANTED too!)
Oh yes, and the second wave too, the Yahoos and Turks.
But choosing the right wine is everything. Just because our
interlocutors eschew the benefits of civilization doesn't mean *we* have
to!
>
> enialle
> |
http://english-server.hss.cmu.edu/home/wilkes/
Gilbert Vanburen Wilkes
the .. by digger_jones@my-dejanews
> Typical of you to blame others, and then try to get them to clean up after
> you. Just look at this place! You've left stains on the carpet, ashes and
> debris scattered everywhere from your flamefest...disgusting! And what's
> that awful smell? I thought I just changed your diaper! That's what I get
> for letting you play inside! Now we've got sailors calling at all hours;
> "Bring out the little pencil neck with the leather collar and harness!
Behold. The level of discourse we must endure if the Teri Rasputin
Gorges were to have their way.
http://english-server.hss.cmu.edu/home/wilkes/
Gilbert Vanburen Wilkes
> Now Mr. Wilkes, if you could just use your charming charisma and
> talents to stop this trouble maker, then ARC would be eternally
> grateful to you.
i'm trying, God damn it!
Honest to God i am!
Haven't you seen me openly oppose our own Teri Rasputin Gorge, almost
daily?--both she and her vicious ''brood of folly without father
bred''?--to paraphrase Milton, ARC's favorite puritan poet. Haven't you
seen me standing in the breach, alone, a sword between my teeth and a
pistol in each hand, braving firey arrows shot from the bows of naked
savages, risking both the esteem of those i respect and the respect of
those i despise?--and all without so much as a ''Zounds and
Odds-bodkins!--*thank you* gilbert, tireless defender of the defenseless
that you are,--thank you for stubbornly opposing that woman who so
ruthlessly attempted to suppress the light of open discourse in this,
our beloved newsgroup!--now let's all go get stinking drunk and behave
irresponsibly!'' Or something like that. i mean, it doesn't have to be
precisely like that but you get the idea.
Oh, it's been fun, surely, i adore a good fight, especially if the cause
is just. But it hasn't been easy.
The woman appears strangely immune to the healing balm of human reason.
Every overture of peace she rejects, even as she multiplies intrigues
against my innocent friends.
But i and my longsuffering friends will continue to *try*.
What more can we do?
http://english-server.hss.cmu.edu/home/wilkes/
Gilbert Vanburen Wilkes
the .. by Teri R. Geo...@sprint.ca
> > No one has EVER been asked politely to stop.
>
> Fine, if you feel no one has asked politely, I'll do so now.
>
>
> Enialle, Rauni, Jeannette, Greg, Kim, Faith, Gilbert, (and myself, by
> extrapolation), please stop.
i'm willing to do so. Of course. Why not?
But you must meet me half way. Too much history has accumulated between
us for me to trust you so easily. So, as a gesture of good will, you
must attempt to reverse some of the damange you've inflicted upon us.
Here is how:
Apologize first to Enialle (and not simply for ''inconveniencing''),
then to her ISP, and then to our beloved newsgroup, promising never to
attempt to silence another user ever again.
Do so and i'll stop immediately. i'll even go away if you wish.
Go on. Test me. Test the strength of my promise. Do as i ask and see
what happens.
What a deal.
http://english-server.hss.cmu.edu/home/wilkes/
Pete Turk
<gv...@andrew.cmu.edu> writes
>
>Oh, it's been fun, surely, i adore a good fight, especially if the cause
>is just. But it hasn't been easy.
You're another person who "adore[s] a good fight,
especially if the cause is just".
The one before you who said that was Thomas Doyle.
Unfair comparison, Mr W? Possibly, but in one particular
it's fair and relevant:
You both fight in ARC, not in alt.flame.
>
>
>The woman appears strangely immune to the healing balm of human reason.
"strangely", Mr W?
>
>
>Every overture of peace she rejects, even as she multiplies intrigues
>against my innocent friends.
"multiplies", "innocent", Mr W?
>
>
>But i and my longsuffering friends will continue to *try*.
>
>What more can we do?
You could give up.
Pete Turk <Pe...@ragtag.demon.co.uk> ICQ# 11981084
Official Moonshadow of the RFA
--
May your doorstep ever be dirty.
-- Romany blessing
digger...@my-dejanews.com
Hello Gilbert,
Gilbert Vanburen Wilkes <gv...@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
> As do i. Sadly, Danny Dage does not share your less-than-enlightened
> views. He stands with the Teri-trolls and Jen-Jen-trolls and
> Tommy-trolls etc., those who would silence others.
Perhaps I need to clarify the confusion.
First of all, none of the above are trolls. If they *do* happen to do
something that looks like a troll, it is not done deliberately. How can one
be a troill without intent, since that's so much part of what trolling is?
I OTOH, am not ashamed to say that I am. As such, freedom of speech and
expression is in my best interest. I have *never* advocated runnning and
whining to an ISP. Not even once. I have buried hooks into each and every
person who has ever Netcopped. At least those that I know about. That
includes Jeannette, Teri and Rauni. Last year, somebody went after Enialle's
ISP, and I was there, even though we were flaming the bejeezis out of each
other. I believe that was the last time that person ever netcopped...or at
least that's the last I heard of it.
When I heard a bit ago, that someone was contacting *your* ISP, I was there,
defending your rights. It was through email albeit, but I was there. I have
long crusaded for free speech. Even you.
Since Netcopping still seems to be viewed by some as a matter of policy,
perhaps I haven't been hard enough. That's a fair cop.
I've always had to weigh the benefits of waging a holy war, against what it
does to the entire group. I still like Teri, Jeannette and Rauni. All of
them. I can get my point across without attacking their names, their
appearance, their religious beliefs or their sexual preferences.
As for Thomas, it seems to me you came here with the express intent of
flogging him. At first, this seemed mightily unfair to me. Perhaps you have
a greater history with him than I do. You looked like a bully pounding on
this innocent victim. As such, I defended him against what looked like a
mob. I still think it's a mob, but I refuse to defend him any longer.
Actually, there *is* a way you might turn the group on its head, and no one
could object. Submit your RFA application, according to the guidelines in
the present FAQ. Your title could be something like "Official Chancellor of
the RFA" or the like. I know there are some who are cringing at the
prospect, even as they read this. Then your crusade is no longer a war, but
a coup.
Think about it.
Regards,
Dan
>
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Behold! Behold!
Gilbert Vanburen Wilkes <gv...@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
I am ashamed. How could I have posted such rubbish? What could have inspired
such a display?
What do you expect, Gilbert? *I'm* not working on a PhD.
This is the sort of stuff every university loves to see from their PhD
candidates, I'm sure.
What is your degree in, again?
From a fairly random sampling of posts over the past month from Gilbert
Vanburen Wilkes IV: (These are all ARC posts) ------------------------ If
you upset our little [...] he'll lose bladder control. What a mess.
This guy? All that rueful build-up for *this* insignificant glitch of a
human being? Really? Him? No. Really?
What makes you think this baseboard licking belly-crawler can oppose us?
Your jock-strap riding up on you, fellah?
Your depends undergarments!
You keep forgetting.
And now you've ruined the carpet.
you who capers and cavorts in a
designer knock-off baby-doll chemise, you who shops for evening wear at
Walmart.
Okay, little one. i'll pencil you in. One more religious bigot to re-educate.
Oh, look, little [...]'s got a knot in his depends undergarments.
you insatiable net-tart, you pent-up girly-boy.
May i ask a question of you, little one?--you who braids her ear-hair,
corn-rows her back hair, and curls your nose-hair into a curlicue
mustache?
[her] scaly hide, her un-hinged jaw, her hooded, reptile eyes,--terribly
endearing, all of it, wouldn't you say?
The hideously be-fanged [...] creature has earned a place in all
our hearts, un-housebroken though she is.
------------------
Oh, I forgot my favorite:
"I never Flame."
Gilbert Vanburen Wilkes
> What do you expect, Gilbert? *I'm* not working on a PhD.
Oh, to be sure. Isn't that obvious? Who would ever accuse you of same?
But you *should* begin work on your GED.
Learn. Grow. Think. Improve yourself.
But what does any of this have to do with you so shamelessly polluting
this, our beloved newsgroup? What does this have to do with your patent
disregard for our FAQ? Odd how Teri Rapscallion Gargantua refrains from
recruiting *your* ISP against *you*, wouldn't you say, you foul-mouthed
git?--why is our self-appointed police officer so strangely selective?
And, finally, what does this have to do with Teri Rapscallion
Gargantua's intention to limit our discourse to vile expressions of
bitterness such as yours? Which is what she would have in effect
accomplished had she succeeded in brutally silencing those with whom she
disagreed, silencing them in favor of her brood of trolls and newsgroup
vandals, ill-mannered oafs such as yourself, or little Tommy Doyle, or
that yappy little Jen-Jen Corral.
i bust you for your foul discharges of rage and hatred, and you turn and
accuse me of being a Ph.D. student?
Damn. Busted. You got me dead to rights, little Danny Dage, you washed
up lounge act in pasties and a g-string. Yes. i'm a Ph.D. student. i'm
not proud of it, but what can i do?
i freely admit same.
And you, little Danny Dage, are oxygen deprived. Or how do you account
for so odd a gesture?
>
> This is the sort of stuff every university loves to see from their
.> PhD
> candidates, I'm sure.
What would you know about that, you who knows nothing of higher
education? Let me help you. Universities are places that value human
discourse. Universities respect people's rights to express themselves
howsoever they will.
>
> What is your degree in, again?
Beyond your ken. Stick to your grill-work. Once you learn to count i'm
sure you can move up to cashier.
Perhaps your skin will clear up as well.
We can only hope.
But you look awfully cute in your Wendy's Uniform, i must say! Wiggle
that thing, little Danny Dage! BUT KEEP IT CLEAR OF THE DEEP FRYER, YOU
BRAINDEAD BIMBO! ... [awkward silence] ... Er, uh, ummmmm, did i, uh,
ummm ... say ... that ... out ... loud? ... Oh ... God ... Oh, please
forgive me. i didn't mean it. Honest to God i didn't! The ''braindead
bimbo'' part just slipped out. Forbear. It's late. No. No. Really. i
have great respect for you. Honest i do. It just slipped out. Honest.
Oh please stop crying! You know how it kills me when you cry!
(God damn it. i really put my foot in it this time. It looks like i'm
NOT getting lucky TONIGHT.)
By the way, little one, thank you for reposting some of my favorite lines.
Do so again real soon.
http://english-server.hss.cmu.edu/home/wilkes/
Gilbert Vanburen Wilkes
the .. by Kim @akamail.com
> You have nothing of value or interest to respond to. It is a sad
> state when a small dicked moron like you has to come out from under
> the bed to assert your authority here when you obviously can't do so
> in real life.
>
> I have nothing more to say to you. You are boring and repetitious.
> Please do not perceive my silence to any further of your comments as
> your victory.
i win.
http://english-server.hss.cmu.edu/home/wilkes/
Gilbert Vanburen Wilkes
the .. by Pete Tu...@ragtag.demon.c
> >
> >
> >But i and my longsuffering friends will continue to *try*.
> >
> >What more can we do?
>
> You could give up.
i've thought of that. But the ''romance'' of a lost cause inspires me.
http://english-server.hss.cmu.edu/home/wilkes/
Gilbert Vanburen Wilkes
the .. by Pete Tu...@ragtag.demon.c
> >
> >
> >Every overture of peace she rejects, even as she multiplies intrigues
> >against my innocent friends.
>
> "multiplies", "innocent", Mr W?
Yes. Do you deny it?
http://english-server.hss.cmu.edu/home/wilkes/
Gilbert Vanburen Wilkes
> When I heard a bit ago, that someone was contacting *your* ISP, I was there,
> defending your rights. It was through email albeit, but I was there. I have
> long crusaded for free speech. Even you.
Yes. i heard about that. Terribly funny, wouldn't you say? Teri
Rapscallion Gargantua contacted my university's president, my dean, my
department head etc. She accused me of sexual harassment, among other
things.
A laughable claim, surely. A lie, absolutely. The woman has no conscience.
But why stop at that? Why didn't she accuse me of poisoning wells or
blighting crops? If one is going to lie so shamelessly *anyway*, one
should go all out, don't you think?
i would never have heard about it if one of our systems administrators
was not a good personal of mine. You can see for yourself what effect it
had on my contributions.
Teri Rapscallion Gargantua simply refuses to learn from her mistakes.
Anyway, i'm through attempting to negotiate. All offers for a settlement
are rescinded. Teri Rapscallion Gargantua has made this group a personal
concern of mine.
Now i will reform it, piece by piece, from the bottom up.
i'm composing my own FAQ for this group a new FAQ, a counterFAQ, and i'm
recruiting a new membership, just as i did for our beloved
rec.arts.prose.
Stay tuned.
We're going to have great fun together, don't you think?
http://english-server.hss.cmu.edu/home/wilkes/
Gilbert Vanburen Wilkes
the .. by eni...@greenheart.com
> While I was raping and pillaging the village, when Gilbert Vanburen
> Wilkes <gv...@andrew.cmu.edu> cooed:
> | Excerpts from netnews.alt.romance.chat: 21-Jul-98 Re: Corral's Fate with
> | the .. by Pete Tu...@ragtag.demon.c
> |
> | > >
> | > >
> | > >Every overture of peace she rejects, even as she multiplies intrigues
> | > >against my innocent friends.
> | >
> | > "multiplies", "innocent", Mr W?
> |
> | Yes. Do you deny it?
> |
> What the hell is Peter talking about?
The boy would prefer i use stronger language. i, unlike little Peter,
respect this group's decorum.
yours &c.
gilbert vanburen wilkes iv
Gilbert Vanburen Wilkes
eni...@greenheart.com
> While I was raping and pillaging the village, when Gilbert Vanburen
> Wilkes <gv...@andrew.cmu.edu> cooed:
> |
> | (God damn it. i really put my foot in it this time. It looks like i'm
> | NOT getting lucky TONIGHT.)
> |
>
> Geesh, yer like all the men, all have that same thought. How dirty
> and icky! Go quickly and to the nearest male sensitivity class now!
Forgive me, precious one, the lovely and intelligent Enialle. How 'Petey
Turk' of me, tasteless and all. It's my ''raging hormones'', driving me
to distraction.
Pete Turk
<gv...@andrew.cmu.edu> writes
>
>Now i will reform it, piece by piece, from the bottom up.
>
>i'm composing my own FAQ for this group a new FAQ, a counterFAQ, and i'm
>recruiting a new membership, just as i did for our beloved
>rec.arts.prose.
"Your patience is now at an end", Herr Fat Controller?
You need the friendly glow of alt.flame, Mr Wilkes.
Off you go, now.
Dan Dage
GV>Excerpts from mail: 22-Jul-98 (fwd) "I Never Flame" by eni...@greenheart.co
It's bad enough that you need a wet nurse, Gilbert. The least you could
do is wipe the drool off your own chin before appearing in public.
---
ş SLMR 2.1a ş One must pay dearly for grazing away from the herd.
Gilbert Vanburen Wilkes
eni...@greenheart.com
[snip]
> | > | > >against my innocent friends.
> | > | >
> | > | > "multiplies", "innocent", Mr W?
> | > |
> | > | Yes. Do you deny it?
> | > |
> | > What the hell is Peter talking about?
> |
> | The boy would prefer i use stronger language. i, unlike little Peter,
> | respect this group's decorum.
> |
>
> You could list the books you borrowed from your university library.
> That might help. It seems to be a weapon de jour these days.
Oh yes. You mean the Peter Turk argumentative method. One simply ticks
off book titles as if they had magical efficacy. A powerful gesture,
that, wouldn't you say?
Truly, Enialle, we're up against an intellectual colossus.
Excuse me, precious one. i must go laugh myself sick.