DP accorded Falwell, Roberston and Graham
Earl Evleth
Institute in Washington)
Iran leadership representative issues call to kill three US ministers
[ABC News - Saturday, October 12, 2002]: A personal representative
of Iran's supreme leader has called for three prominent US Protestant
Ministers to be killed for insulting the Muslim prophet Mohammed.
The Ayatollah Mohsen Mujtahed Shabestari, who issupreme leader
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's personal representative to Iran's Azerbaijan
province, says US leaders want to repeat the crusades.
The three are Jerry Falwell, who has called the prophet Mohammed
"a terrorist"; Pat Roberston, who claims Islam is a religion of
violence seeking to "dominate and destroy"; and Franklin Graham,
the son of televangelist Billy Graham, who says Islam is "a very
evil and wicked religion".
Earl Evleth
Coughlan à pasdespa...@zeouane.org a écrit le 13/10/02 17:14 :
> Le Sun, 13 Oct 2002 17:03:33 +0200, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> a écrit :
>
>> Iran leadership representative issues call to kill three US ministers
>>
>> [ABC News - Saturday, October 12, 2002]: A personal representative
>> of Iran's supreme leader has called for three prominent US Protestant
>> Ministers to be killed for insulting the Muslim prophet Mohammed.
>>
>> The Ayatollah Mohsen Mujtahed Shabestari, who issupreme leader
>> Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's personal representative to Iran's Azerbaijan
>> province, says US leaders want to repeat the crusades.
>
> Hey, it's a 'states rights' issue.
>
> Just ask Jigsaw.
According to the retentionists we don't have the right to interfere with
others countries with regard to the DP.
The nasty thing is that the Iranian radicals in the past have sent secret
agents broad to enforce their fatwa-ing. So Falwell, Roberston and Graham
are at a certain risk. But in the US any celebrity is an risk. In fact
right now those living within 50 miles of Washington DC are at risk
with regard to a "terminator" touring the landscape. Of course, the
difference is that the "terminator" is a nativist American, a member in
standing of the NRA.
Earl
JIGSAW1695
From: Earl Evleth evl...@wanadoo.fr
Date: 10/13/2002 12:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <B9CF676E.180D%evl...@wanadoo.fr>
Earl
==============================
Way to go Earl!!!
You have solved the shootings. Now please contact the proper law enforcement
authorities and give them the names,
Now to be honest with you, I dont thing (LOL) that have any knowledge of who
the shooter(s) is/are. I think you are blowing smoke up your own ass.
But being a fair individual, I will give the opportunity to prove me wrong by
giving us the name(s) of the NRA member(s) involved in the shootings.
Your in Waiting
Jigsaw
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: DP accorded Falwell, Roberston and Graham
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 15:14:13 +0000
>
>Le Sun, 13 Oct 2002 17:03:33 +0200, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> a écrit
>:
>
>> Iran leadership representative issues call to kill three US ministers
>>
>> [ABC News - Saturday, October 12, 2002]: A personal representative
>> of Iran's supreme leader has called for three prominent US Protestant
>> Ministers to be killed for insulting the Muslim prophet Mohammed.
>>
>> The Ayatollah Mohsen Mujtahed Shabestari, who issupreme leader
>> Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's personal representative to Iran's Azerbaijan
>> province, says US leaders want to repeat the crusades.
>
>Hey, it's a 'states rights' issue.
>
>Just ask Jigsaw.
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>desmond @ zeouane.org |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>http: // www . zeouane . org
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in his words. He won't allow his posts to be archived in Google. Please feel
free to use it to your advantage.
A Planet Visitor
"Earl Evleth" <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message news:B9CF57E5.17F9%evl...@wanadoo.fr...
As expected.. the reaction from 'peaceful' Islam. I am STILL waiting for
the other shoe to drop, in respect to TOTALLY condemning the
WTC attack as being perpetrated by those who were mentally
deranged.
PV
A Planet Visitor
"Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> wrote in message
news:slrnaqj3e5.902.p...@lievre.voute.net...
> >
> > [ABC News - Saturday, October 12, 2002]: A personal representative
> > of Iran's supreme leader has called for three prominent US Protestant
> > Ministers to be killed for insulting the Muslim prophet Mohammed.
> >
> > The Ayatollah Mohsen Mujtahed Shabestari, who issupreme leader
> > Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's personal representative to Iran's Azerbaijan
> > province, says US leaders want to repeat the crusades.
>
>
FDP -- You're a fucking idiot.
PV
> Just ask Jigsaw.
>
He agrees... that you're a fucking idiot.
> --
> Desmond Coughlan |THE BITCH DROPPED THE BIKE ON MY TOE
> |SO I DUMPED HER SORRY ASS
> |AND MY 5 KIDS AS WELL
Earl Evleth
jigsa...@aol.com a écrit le 13/10/02 19:39 :
> Now to be honest with you, I dont thing (LOL) that have any knowledge of who
> the shooter(s) is/are. I think you are blowing smoke up your own ass.
Now, if you are old enough you remember Charles Whitman, the Texas Tower
and August 1 1966?
If you had to profile the person possibly doing the shooting during the
event, what profile would you have come up with?
1) white male
2) between the ages of 25-35
3) military training
4) owns a lot of guns
The candidate would also possibly be a member of a gun group, etc.
The same rough profile could be constructed for the Oklahoma City bombing
after people got off their anti-Arab kick.
I am just fooling around claiming that is an absolute for the snipper, he
could be otherwise than a nativist American like yourself.
But if they are making book on this in Nevada, the above profile is the
favored. Like 1 for 2.
The possibility of this being a clever variation of Bin Laden's approach to
making Americans quiver is there too. Secondary. 2 for 1.
I will give 20 to 1 it is not a woman.
Earl
A Planet Visitor
"Earl Evleth" <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message news:B9D04131.188B%evl...@wanadoo.fr...
> dans l'article 20021013133931...@mb-ci.aol.com, JIGSAW1695 à
> jigsa...@aol.com a écrit le 13/10/02 19:39 :
>
> > Now to be honest with you, I dont thing (LOL) that have any knowledge of who
> > the shooter(s) is/are. I think you are blowing smoke up your own ass.
>
>
> Now, if you are old enough you remember Charles Whitman, the Texas Tower
> and August 1 1966?
>
> If you had to profile the person possibly doing the shooting during the
> event, what profile would you have come up with?
>
> 1) white male
>
> 2) between the ages of 25-35
>
> 3) military training
>
> 4) owns a lot of guns
>
> The candidate would also possibly be a member of a gun group, etc.
>
I find it hard to believe this is 'bin Laden' terrorist related.
>
> The same rough profile could be constructed for the Oklahoma City bombing
> after people got off their anti-Arab kick.
>
> I am just fooling around claiming that is an absolute for the snipper, he
> could be otherwise than a nativist American like yourself.
>
> But if they are making book on this in Nevada, the above profile is the
> favored. Like 1 for 2.
>
> The possibility of this being a clever variation of Bin Laden's approach to
> making Americans quiver is there too. Secondary. 2 for 1.
>
> I will give 20 to 1 it is not a woman.
>
Make that probably a 100 to 1... IMHO.
PV
> Earl
>
>
>
John Rennie
I do believe, Earl, that you are trying to emulate the achievement of Edgar
Allan Poe
who solved a New York murder whilst living in Paris just by reading the
reports of the murder in the newspapers. BTW make that 10,000 to 1 that
JIGSAW1695
Date: 10/14/2002 4:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <Npvq9.12406$345.5...@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net>
==============================
OK John, at those odds I will squander a dollar that a women is not involved.
Hell make it two dollars, US.
Earl Evleth
jigsa...@aol.com a écrit le 14/10/02 10:43 :
> I do believe, Earl, that you are trying to emulate the achievement of Edgar
> Allan Poe
> who solved a New York murder whilst living in Paris just by reading the
> reports of the murder in the newspapers.
When not wearing my Mencken cloak, I am Sherlock.
Earl
John Rennie
That's Conan Doyle's creation not Poe's. Poe's intelligence was of a
different order from Doyle's Not better, just different - he, Poe, could
work problems out from the facts given, Doyle never pretended to be able to
imitate Holmes.
A Planet Visitor
"John Rennie" <j.re...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:ApBq9.1460$R07....@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net...
Please... if you're speaking of 'literature' to Earl... you are flogging a
dead horse. He thinks Shakespeare, is an Zulu hunting weapon.
PV
JIGSAW1695
Date: 10/14/2002 10:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <j2Lq9.91188$S8.15...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>
PV
===============================
!!!LOL!!!
Earl Evleth
jigsa...@aol.com a écrit le 15/10/02 5:34 :
> Please... if you're speaking of 'literature' to Earl... you are flogging a
> dead horse. He thinks Shakespeare, is an Zulu hunting weapon.
I think PV has only heard of John Wayne. So PV tries to stand tall
as he slithers back under his rock. Quite an act.
Earl
JIGSAW1695
Date: 10/15/2002 3:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <B9D18A3F.1A5A%evl...@wanadoo.fr>
Earl
==============================
Boys....Boys...why cant we all......just get along?
A Planet Visitor
> Le Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:02:55 +0200, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> a écrit :
>
> >> Please... if you're speaking of 'literature' to Earl... you are flogging a
> >> dead horse. He thinks Shakespeare, is an Zulu hunting weapon.
>
> > I think PV has only heard of John Wayne. So PV tries to stand tall
> > as he slithers back under his rock. Quite an act.
>
>
Ah good ol' FDP, eh ? The man who thinks that 'badinage' is something
one puts on a wound...
PV
A Planet Visitor
"Earl Evleth" <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message news:B9D18A3F.1A5A%evl...@wanadoo.fr...
> dans l'article 20021014233425...@mb-fw.aol.com, JIGSAW1695 à
> jigsa...@aol.com a écrit le 15/10/02 5:34 :
>
> > Please... if you're speaking of 'literature' to Earl... you are flogging a
>
> I think PV has only heard of John Wayne. So PV tries to stand tall
> as he slithers back under his rock. Quite an act.
>
while you seemed befuddled by the mention of either name. Now fess up...
you 'really do' think that Shakespeare is a 'Zulu hunting weapon,' don't you?
PV
> Earl
>
>
Earl Evleth
Visitor à abc...@zbqytr.ykq a écrit le 15/10/02 22:11 :
> Actually, Earl.. I had heard of Milovan Djilas and Hélène Carrère d'Encausse,
> while you seemed befuddled by the mention of either name. Now fess up...
> you 'really do' think that Shakespeare is a 'Zulu hunting weapon,' don't you?
>
> PV
PV likes to drag in all arguments that he lost.
Earl
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
jigsa...@aol.com (JIGSAW1695) wrote:
NEWS FLASH: An a.a.d-p. flame war claimed another victim as a man known
only as Jiggy from Palm Beach, Florida was caught in the crossfire.
"I was only trying to promote newsgroup harmony," said a rueful Jiggy as
he patted out the small fires consuming the remains of his clothes. He
is currently undergoing treatment for second degree burns at the JFK
Medical Center, Palm Beach County.
Mr Q. Z. D.
--
Drinker, systems administrator, wannabe writer, musician and all-round bastard.
"...Base 8 is just like base 10 really... ((o))
If you're missing two fingers." - Tom Lehrer ((O))
JIGSAW1695
Date: 10/15/2002 6:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <jonathan-BDB107...@newsroom.utas.edu.au>
In article <20021015050048...@mb-ce.aol.com>,
jigsa...@aol.com (JIGSAW1695) wrote:
> Subject: Re: DP accorded Falwell, Roberston and Graham
> From: Earl Evleth evl...@wanadoo.fr
> Date: 10/15/2002 3:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> Message-id: <B9D18A3F.1A5A%evl...@wanadoo.fr>
>
> dans l'article 20021014233425...@mb-fw.aol.com, JIGSAW1695 à
> jigsa...@aol.com a écrit le 15/10/02 5:34 :
>
> > Please... if you're speaking of 'literature' to Earl... you are
> > flogging a
> > dead horse. He thinks Shakespeare, is an Zulu hunting weapon.
>
> I think PV has only heard of John Wayne. So PV tries to stand tall
> as he slithers back under his rock. Quite an act.
>
> Earl
> ==============================
>
> Boys....Boys...why cant we all......just get along?
NEWS FLASH: An a.a.d-p. flame war claimed another victim as a man known
only as Jiggy from Palm Beach, Florida was caught in the crossfire.
"I was only trying to promote newsgroup harmony," said a rueful Jiggy as
he patted out the small fires consuming the remains of his clothes. He
is currently undergoing treatment for second degree burns at the JFK
Medical Center, Palm Beach County.
Mr Q. Z. D.
===============================
The fella ought to nominated for the Nobel Peace prize for his efforts.
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: DP accorded Falwell, Roberston and Graham
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 22:08:51 +0000
>
>Le Tue, 15 Oct 2002 22:29:14 +0200, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> a écrit
>:
>
>>> Actually, Earl.. I had heard of Milovan Djilas and Hélène Carrère
>d'Encausse,
>>> while you seemed befuddled by the mention of either name. Now fess up...
>>> you 'really do' think that Shakespeare is a 'Zulu hunting weapon,' don't
>you?
>
>> PV likes to drag in all arguments that he lost.
>
>_All_ of them ? Wow ... is there that much bandwidth on the Internet ??
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>desmond @ zeouane.org |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>http: // www . zeouane . org
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Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: DP accorded Falwell, Roberston and Graham
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 22:15:11 +0000
>
>Le Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:44:17 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a
>écrit :
>
>>> >> Please... if you're speaking of 'literature' to Earl... you are
>flogging a
>>> >> dead horse. He thinks Shakespeare, is an Zulu hunting weapon.
>
>>> > I think PV has only heard of John Wayne. So PV tries to stand tall
>>> > as he slithers back under his rock. Quite an act.
>
>>> Ah good ol' LDB, eh ? The man who thinks that 'erudite' is an adhesive
>...
>
>> Ah good ol' FDP, eh ? The man who thinks that 'badinage' is something
>> one puts on a wound...
>
>Mimicry is said to be the highest form of flattery, LDB.
>
>PS What does 'FDP' mean again ..? *snigger*
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
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Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: DP accorded Falwell, Roberston and Graham
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 22:17:47 +0000
>
>Le Tue, 15 Oct 2002 22:06:55 GMT, Mr Q. Z. Diablo
><jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> a écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> Boys....Boys...why cant we all......just get along?
>
>> NEWS FLASH: An a.a.d-p. flame war claimed another victim as a man known
>> only as Jiggy from Palm Beach, Florida was caught in the crossfire.
>>
>> "I was only trying to promote newsgroup harmony," said a rueful Jiggy as
>> he patted out the small fires consuming the remains of his clothes. He
>> is currently undergoing treatment for second degree burns at the JFK
>> Medical Center, Palm Beach County.
>
>Meanwhile, at Police Headquarters, Captain O'Reilly says that officers
>are still trying to determine why Jiggy tried to defend the indefensible,
>in claiming that the death penalty saves lives. 'It's a states' rights
>issue,' added the officer who took the 911 call.
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
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Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: DP accorded Falwell, Roberston and Graham
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:15:21 +0000
>
>Le Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:02:55 +0200, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> a écrit
>:
>
>>> Please... if you're speaking of 'literature' to Earl... you are flogging a
>>> dead horse. He thinks Shakespeare, is an Zulu hunting weapon.
>
>> I think PV has only heard of John Wayne. So PV tries to stand tall
>> as he slithers back under his rock. Quite an act.
>
>Ah good ol' LDB, eh ? The man who thinks that 'erudite' is an adhesive ...
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>desmond @ zeouane.org |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>http: // www . zeouane . org
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A Planet Visitor
> Le Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:44:17 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a écrit :
>
> >> >> Please... if you're speaking of 'literature' to Earl... you are flogging a
> >> >> dead horse. He thinks Shakespeare, is an Zulu hunting weapon.
>
> >> > I think PV has only heard of John Wayne. So PV tries to stand tall
> >> > as he slithers back under his rock. Quite an act.
>
> >> Ah good ol' LDB, eh ? The man who thinks that 'erudite' is an adhesive ...
>
> > Ah good ol' FDP, eh ? The man who thinks that 'badinage' is something
> > one puts on a wound...
>
>
> PS What does 'FDP' mean again ..? *snigger*
Chee... another *snigger* Representive of FDP's 'classical
education.'
PV
>
> --
> Desmond Coughlan |FDP MEANS
|FLOPPY DRUNKEN PUPPET
|AND HE IS IN THE BAG AGAIN
A Planet Visitor
"Mr Q. Z. Diablo" <jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> wrote in message
news:jonathan-BDB107...@newsroom.utas.edu.au...
> In article <20021015050048...@mb-ce.aol.com>,
> jigsa...@aol.com (JIGSAW1695) wrote:
>
> > Subject: Re: DP accorded Falwell, Roberston and Graham
> > From: Earl Evleth evl...@wanadoo.fr
> > Date: 10/15/2002 3:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> > Message-id: <B9D18A3F.1A5A%evl...@wanadoo.fr>
> >
> > dans l'article 20021014233425...@mb-fw.aol.com, JIGSAW1695 à
> > jigsa...@aol.com a écrit le 15/10/02 5:34 :
> >
> > > Please... if you're speaking of 'literature' to Earl... you are
> > > flogging a
> > > dead horse. He thinks Shakespeare, is an Zulu hunting weapon.
> >
> > I think PV has only heard of John Wayne. So PV tries to stand tall
> > as he slithers back under his rock. Quite an act.
> >
> > Earl
> > ==============================
> >
> > Boys....Boys...why cant we all......just get along?
>
> NEWS FLASH: An a.a.d-p. flame war claimed another victim as a man known
> only as Jiggy from Palm Beach, Florida was caught in the crossfire.
>
> "I was only trying to promote newsgroup harmony," said a rueful Jiggy as
> he patted out the small fires consuming the remains of his clothes. He
> is currently undergoing treatment for second degree burns at the JFK
> Medical Center, Palm Beach County.
>
'Shakespeare' is a Zulu hunting weapon, is rather right on point,
and a bit droll as well.
PV
A Planet Visitor
> Le Tue, 15 Oct 2002 22:29:14 +0200, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> a écrit :
>
> >> Actually, Earl.. I had heard of Milovan Djilas and Hélène Carrère d'Encausse,
> >> while you seemed befuddled by the mention of either name. Now fess up...
> >> you 'really do' think that Shakespeare is a 'Zulu hunting weapon,' don't you?
>
> > PV likes to drag in all arguments that he lost.
>
>
the _monstrous_ intellect...)ho ho ho) who does not know who Milovan Djilas
was (for all Earl knows MD might still be alive -- since Earl lives quite a bit in
the past - while his short term memory is totally gone).
A Planet Visitor
"Earl Evleth" <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message news:B9D2473A.1E50%evl...@wanadoo.fr...
ones you've lost. You're a formidable opponent, Earl. Senility
and geriatric inroads that have crept into your intellect have take
much away from you... but still left you competent in some areas.
Literature is NOT one of them. Stick to the 'ozone hole.' Of course,
I'll be watching the long-term cycle of 2002 (it decreased a bit today).
PV
> Earl
>
>
>
>
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
I didn't have a problem with it. I was gently poking fun at Jiggy's
post. He took it well, I feel. Nothing wrong with a flame war but it
is only the foolhardy who try to get people to "get along" in these
parts. You've been around well and truly long enough to know that.
JIGSAW1695
Date: 10/16/2002 2:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <jonathan-82F2E6...@newsroom.utas.edu.au>
Mr Q. Z. D.
===============================
<Sigh> but I keep trying. It is part of my kind and gentle nature.
Earl Evleth
Visitor à abc...@zbqytr.ykq a écrit le 16/10/02 7:59 :
>
>> PV likes to drag in all arguments that he lost.
>>
> No.. I like to drag in all that I've won... you tend to hide from the
> ones you've lost. You're a formidable opponent, Earl. Senility
> and geriatric inroads that have crept into your intellect have take
> much away from you... but still left you competent in some areas.
> Literature is NOT one of them. Stick to the 'ozone hole.' Of course,
> I'll be watching the long-term cycle of 2002 (it decreased a bit today).
Nope, if you look at last year (Fall) postings you`ll find I preposted you
on that. You tried to dodge then too. You are just like that, if you
come out second best, you file it away, smoldering. It really eats
at you. A corrosion, and we both know what I am referring to!
That really sticks in your craw too.
It is part of your particular narcissism. Also when you are in the process
of losing arguments you sometimes run back and grab something
trying to recover.
In Googling "new class" I see that it is bothering you, son.
1... Too bad that she didn't inform you of Milovan Djilas, who wrote 'The
New Class,'
or Hélène Carrère d'Encausse, who wrote the book "Decline of an Empire ...
alt.activism.death-penalty - 1 Jul 2002 by A Planet Visitor - View Thread
(50 articles)
2. ... hold to many of those 'things,' when you post in reference to them.
Think 'new class'
for one, 'corroded soul' for another, and that silly excuse that you were
...
alt.activism.death-penalty - 19 Apr 2002 by A Planet Visitor - View Thread
(56 articles)
Prior to that my last posting on this subject was the end of 2001
in which I wrote to Craig
"
> The US DEPENDS on a lot on poorly paid jobs. The poverty rates, much
> higher than Europe are actually a desired feature of that system. Who would
> work in the McDonalds, who would clean the homes of the middle class, who
> would be clerks in Wallmarts at $7 an hour? In real dollars, minimum wages
> have dropped over the last 30 years. Real Hourly incomes have dropped over
> the last 30 years. The incomes of 50-60% of the people have either dropped
> or remain stagnant over the last 30 years. One set of statistics I showed,
> gotten out of the Time Alamanac, showed that 95% of the income improvement
> in the last 20 years went to 5% of the upper income people. The top 20%
> benefited. This was the "new class" I wrote about before PV dragged in the
> phrase from a more distance and remote past (1950s) in trying to
> analyse communist society class structure. We are talking about US
> class structure now. The new class are the educated elite (25%) of the
> population. It is also an economy which has been described as a
> "winner take all" economy. Those are the super salaries, the stock
> options, the multimillion dollar salaries of CEOs. They have taken the
> system over and running it only for their own benefit. It is the "greed
> is good" ideology of hypercapitalism and a hyper market control system
> which as gone bonkers.
You are like Gobbles, you tell a big lie long enough thinking
you will overwhelm your opponent.
Anyway, enough, if you wish to read an update on the new class in the
sense you wanted to use it, it is covered in Barabara Ehrenreich's
book "Fear of Falling" published in 1990. All of Chapter 4 is "The New
Class, A Bludgeon for the Right". In fact, that is the way you are
trying to use it now. It won`t work Herr Gobbles, back under your rock.
The new class concept has moved on. You haven't
Earl
A Planet Visitor
"Earl Evleth" <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message news:B9D2EE1E.1F7D%evl...@wanadoo.fr...
> dans l'article Pe7r9.134809$O8.33...@twister.tampabay.rr.com, A Planet
> Visitor à abc...@zbqytr.ykq a écrit le 16/10/02 7:59 :
>
> >
>
> >> PV likes to drag in all arguments that he lost.
> >>
> > No.. I like to drag in all that I've won... you tend to hide from the
> > ones you've lost. You're a formidable opponent, Earl. Senility
> > and geriatric inroads that have crept into your intellect have take
> > much away from you... but still left you competent in some areas.
> > Literature is NOT one of them. Stick to the 'ozone hole.' Of course,
> > I'll be watching the long-term cycle of 2002 (it decreased a bit today).
>
>
> Nope, if you look at last year (Fall) postings you`ll find I preposted you
> on that. You tried to dodge then too. You are just like that, if you
> come out second best, you file it away, smoldering. It really eats
> at you. A corrosion, and we both know what I am referring to!
> That really sticks in your craw too.
>
a laughable caricature of what we all imagine is an elderly 'professor'
who has lost his mental edge. Tell me... name ONE retentionist that
you believe is 'reasonable'? Just one... and tell me what the difference
is in his argument (and this IS a forum for argument in respect to the
DP - and not your silly 'professorial pontificating'), in respect to mine.
This is the HEART of the reason for the existence of this group. Not your
silly attempt at preening before us. Because I have
already told you very SPECIFICALLY what my argument is. You
have AVOIDED that question as one avoids contact with those inflicted
by the plague. Because it is an 'argument' which presumes that you
find 'one' reasonable... and it defeats the very purpose of your silly
conclusion that murderers don't actually murder... they're just misunderstood.
Exactly what WAS your point, Earl? Are you CLAIMING that you KNEW
of Milovan Djilas and Hélène Carrère d'Encausse, before I posted comments
regarding them, when you made that most childish quote from that pompous
ass (thus I can see your 'affection' for him -- kindred souls, so to speak),
DeGalle?
> Anyway, enough, if you wish to read an update on the new class in the
> sense you wanted to use it, it is covered in Barabara Ehrenreich's
> book "Fear of Falling" published in 1990. All of Chapter 4 is "The New
> Class, A Bludgeon for the Right". In fact, that is the way you are
> trying to use it now. It won`t work Herr Gobbles, back under your rock.
> The new class concept has moved on. You haven't
The 'new class' IS DEAD. In respect to your original mention of DeGalle.
The predictions of both Djilas and d'Encausse have COME TO PASS.
All else is meaningless in terms of our dialog. As usual, you've simply
thrown some rubbish in, called me a Nazi, and, in your usual strutting
peacock mode, believe you have said something which makes you look less
of an ass... when actually the contrary effect is seen by all. Since clearly
your body of posts have always left everyone here with the impression that
you are a Nazi, in respect to your hate-America dialog.
And if you are interested in a book dealing with the harsh realities of the
world we live in, with an unvarnished presentation of the failures on both
sides of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, in both historical and present day
context (he offers only a short synopsis of the period 1948-1988 - but
then goes into exquisite detail of the failures and deceptions on both sides
from 1988 until today), I suggest YOU read - "The High Cost of Peace - How
Washington's Middle East Policy Left America Vulnerable to Terrorism."
Written by Yossef Bodansky, and present a book-report back to me, on your
'analysis,' (sic) of the book for my grading. It will count for 10% of your
final grade as a member of this group. Please use your own words, and
do not plagiarize copyright material.
PV
>
> Earl
>
>
>
Earl Evleth
Visitor à abc...@zbqytr.ykq a écrit le 17/10/02 3:58 :
> you really need some 'therapy,' sport.
You have a memory problem with respect to the "new class" issue".
But this is your usual gimmick of "forgetting" followed by distorting,
terminating with the big lie.
Earl
John Rennie
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
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> >
> Tell me... name ONE retentionist that
> you believe is 'reasonable'?
My! That is a difficult question.
A Planet Visitor
"Earl Evleth" <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message news:B9D4358E.25BF%evl...@wanadoo.fr...
Poor Earl.. unaware of the most basic element necessary when defeated.
Admit it... since such an admission is better than a disgraceful attempt
to deny such defeat. But Earl's HUGE EGO will not permit such an
admission... thus, all that is left is his disgrace.
PV
>
> Earl
>
>
>
A Planet Visitor
"John Rennie" <j.re...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:npur9.4568$v_5.3...@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net...
others holding different opinions. It presumes that EVERYONE
of a certain 'class' is rather evil (Earl has claimed all retentionists
have 'corroded souls' and 'live under a rock'). I certainly don't
feel all abolitionists are 'unreasonable.' But with Earl doing so,
in respect to retentionists, he eliminates any possibility of holding
a rational discussion regarding the DP... he dogmatically
PRESUMES that all arguments opposed to his own, cannot be
examined, as they constitute an argument from those who are
'evil,' 'have a corroded soul,' or 'live under a rock.'
Of course, we know that Earl believes that about ALL his 'preaching
from the mountain.' But I am speaking of only the DP argument here.
We all know that Earl truly believes he is as infallible as the Pope,
speaking ex cathedra, about every word he offers here, in his
obvious bigotry.
When I first came to this group, I expected some spirited dialog,
which admitted that there are two sides to this issue, although
one might see one side more relevant than the other. I was
quickly disabused of that, and found it generally to be an 'evil
U.S. newsgroup,' led by a cabal of U.S. haters who use the DP
as an 'excuse' to vent their hate on the U.S. This has kept me
around more than any other reason, since I find the execution of
780 proven murderers to be TRIVIAL in the face of other monstrous
events around the world. A murderer to me, is the most worthless
member of our species that I can imagine. Some, of course, more
dangerous than others, but in the final analysis ALL having murdered.
Not all 'deserved' of execution, and not all 'representing a grave threat
to our future safety.' But ALL having murdered.
Let me try a little 'thought' experiment on you. Suppose we have
200 convicted TRUE murderers - and in our 'thought' we believe those
200 TRUE murderers will commit 2 new murders of innocents
(a 1% recidivism rate), if they are not executed.
My question is - do you believe those 200 TRUE Murderers should
be executed to 'save' those 2 innocents who WOULD BE murdered if
those 200 murderers were not executed?
The question is - would you weigh the 'value' of 200 TRUE murderers
as greater than the 'value' of two innocent humans? And if you do, if
not 100 to 1, then at what point exactly, does a certain number of TRUE
murderers equal the 'value' of one innocent human?
PV
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: DP accorded Falwell, Roberston and Graham
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 01:23:06 +0000
>
>Le Thu, 17 Oct 2002 16:56:53 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a
>écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> My! That is a difficult question.
>
>> It is also a question that demonstrates a certain bigotry toward
>> others holding different opinions.
>
>More than anything, it demonstrates that you really have no idea of how
>to use English words like 'bigot' ... and that for you, 'bigot' is someone
>who disagrees with you, and who expresses that sentiment in forceful terms.
>Put another way, and avoiding big words so that you can understand, it means
>that to you, a 'bigot' is someone who kicks your 'ass' (sic). No wonder
>you think that this newsgroup is full of 'bigots'.
>
>> I certainly don't feel all abolitionists are 'unreasonable.'
>
>Even you are not that stupid (I reserve the right to revise this opinion,
>depending on your response).
>
>Abolitionists can certainly be 'unreasonable' in domains which do not
>have anything to do with the death penalty. For instance, I'd quite like
>to win the lottery this Saturday, and pay for flying lessons, but that's
>certainly 'unreasonable'. However, when it comes to the death penalty,
>an abolitionist can neither be 'wrong' (sic), or 'unreasonable'. A
>religious 'bigot' (ho, ho .. isn't this fun to use words incorrectly ?)
>like you, would know it as _ex cathedra_. An abolitionist who evokes the
>brutality, the illegitimacy, or the inhumanity of the death penalty, cannot
>now, or ever, be 'wrong'. He is speaking _ex cathedra_ (in a _non-
>Catholic_ context), and as such, he cannot be wrong.
>
>The right to life is a universal right. It transcends religion, time, and
>morals. It cannot be abrogated. It cannot be violated with impunity. It
>is the birthright of every human, irrespective of sex, race, religion,
>sexual orientation, or criminal history.
>
>Your completely immature assertion that because it is violated, means that
>it is not inherent, is possibly (and I say 'possibly', as there are so
>many candidates) one of _the_ most stupid, idiotic, dribbling spastic
>pronouncements that you have ever seen fit to inflict on the newsgroup,
>and `echo $DEITY` only knows, that is no mean feat.
>
>The right to life has nothing to do with 'God'. It was not given to
>man by a bearded figure with a halo, and it takes a simpleton to believe
>in the very existence of such a figure. The right to life is in all of
>us. It depends more on man, than on 'God', but it is greater than any
>one of us, and that we all, to varying degrees, contribute to its violation,
>does not in any way lesson its legitimacy. Its absoluteness.
>
>{ snip rest }
>
>You really are a deeply, profoundly idiotic man. And I pity you ... even
>although I know that you will take that as a negative comment, and respond
>with your rote 'ROTFLMAO', followed by claims to have 'won'. I pity you.
>If I were a Christian, I would pray for you. You are in desperate need of
>it. I truly feel pity for you. Rarely have I seen someone so close to
>the 'animal state'. Never have I seen someone so unaware of where he is,
>and of what he is.
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>desmond @ zeouane.org |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
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A Planet Visitor
> Le Thu, 17 Oct 2002 16:56:53 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
>
> > It is also a question that demonstrates a certain bigotry toward
> > others holding different opinions.
>
> to use English words like 'bigot' ... and that for you, 'bigot' is someone
> who disagrees with you, and who expresses that sentiment in forceful terms.
No, a 'bigot' is someone who classes ALL of one particular group into
a derogatory meaning. I certainly do not find all abolitionists repulsive..
nor all Europeans who oppose the DP. Nor do I even find all their
arguments without merit. But YOU certainly find all retentionists repulsive.
Simply put, your use of the word 'deathies' is a 'bigoted' statement. As
is Earl's claim that all retentionists have 'corroded souls.' And there is
no question you both are 'bigots' toward the U.S. I am not the only one
who has recognized that fact. And Earl cannot 'hide' behind his citizenship
in the belief that it provides a shield from such bigotry.
> Put another way, and avoiding big words so that you can understand, it means
> that to you, a 'bigot' is someone who kicks your 'ass' (sic). No wonder
> you think that this newsgroup is full of 'bigots'.
>
GIMMICK # 8. desi's famous 'mindless drivel.' I mean no such thing,
and everyone knows it.
> > I certainly don't feel all abolitionists are 'unreasonable.'
>
> Even you are not that stupid (I reserve the right to revise this opinion,
> depending on your response).
>
GIMMICK # 8. desi's famous 'mindless drivel.'
> Abolitionists can certainly be 'unreasonable' in domains which do not
> have anything to do with the death penalty.
ANY human of our species can be seen by another as 'unreasonable' in
ANY dialog. Is that just more of your 'mindless drivel'? Finding
another person unreasonable in respect to a particular argument is often
simply a result of 'holding a difference of opinion.' But the line is
CROSSED --- As you cross it continually --- when you say
ALL 'retentionists' are 'deathies.' It is the same as calling ALL
Blacks, the 'N' word. Certainly a particular Black may hold an
argument another might find as 'unreasonable.' But the line
is crossed when one presumes that ALL Blacks are 'unreasonable.'
Simply BECAUSE they are Black.. just as simply BECAUSE one
might be a retentionist.
> For instance, I'd quite like
> to win the lottery this Saturday, and pay for flying lessons, but that's
> certainly 'unreasonable'. However, when it comes to the death penalty,
> an abolitionist can neither be 'wrong' (sic), or 'unreasonable'.
Actually, that either makes you 'bigoted' or you presume you are 'God.'
Take your choice.
> A
> religious 'bigot' (ho, ho .. isn't this fun to use words incorrectly ?)
> like you, would know it as _ex cathedra_. An abolitionist who evokes the
> brutality, the illegitimacy, or the inhumanity of the death penalty, cannot
> now, or ever, be 'wrong'. He is speaking _ex cathedra_ (in a _non-
> Catholic_ context), and as such, he cannot be wrong.
>
There is a certain counter argument that murder is brutal, murder is
illegitimate (the DP is not, of course, where it is legitimized in the law),
and murder is inhumane. Further, by 'presuming' that you cannot
be 'wrong,' you are presuming that an abolitionist is God. And your 'use'
of ex cathedra demonstrates how little you understand that term, which
you probably picked up on when I used it last. Since you have NEVER
used it in your entire posting history. While I used it as late as
yesterday. I don't believe you even knew the term existed, before I
used it.
> The right to life is a universal right. It transcends religion, time, and
> morals. It cannot be abrogated. It cannot be violated with impunity. It
> is the birthright of every human, irrespective of sex, race, religion,
> sexual orientation, or criminal history.
>
No it is NOT. The 'right to life' doesn't EXIST, unless man presumes
it exists in the laws he establishes. There is nothing 'universal' about
it... and you're a blithering idiot to presume there is, in the face of
overwhelming proof to the contrary. Are you presuming the 'fly' has
a 'right to life'? After all, IT IS life. At what point does this 'right to
'life' magically appear universally? If you presume it is our SPECIES
that sets the point of beginning, then WHY was that particular point
picked in this 'universal' right to life? In point of fact, it can ONLY be picked
by man himself. Having the capacity to IMAGINE a 'right to life,' which
makes it far from 'universal,' since 'universal' applies to 'universal' and
not just our species. What 'sets our species' APART from all other
forms of life is that we have the capacity to question our existence (among
other differences). And by questioning it, we DEVELOP concepts which
enhances our ability to survive. So man himself 'sets' this 'right to life' when
and where he wishes. Nothing 'universal' about it, at all.
And it is just so much self-conceited hypocrisy to even presume
that a 'right to life' is universal. It is SICKENING to presume it, in
the face of so much that proves no such thing exists. It is SHUTTING
YOUR EYES, not to the 'violations,' of this presumed right, but to
the very obvious demonstrations that it doesn't exist to BEGIN WITH,
to an overwhelming number of our species. Certainly, you can ONLY
presume it is 'universal' if you believe in some form of a 'creator' of this
'universal' right, since man is NOT God. And WHERE was this
'universal' right in 1944? Or when Genghis Khan swept across Europe?
Or in so many instances in the past? Where is this universal 'right to
life' for someone born with an affliction such cystic fibrosis, which
insures that such a 'right to life' will be prematurely terminated?
Obviously, something 'universal' must also be without a concept of
'time' associated with it. Thus, if it exists today, it must have existed
60 years ago.. 600 years ago.. 6000 years ago. Clearly there is simply
'no such thing,' except that which is 'created in the mind of men,' and is
certainly not 'universal' nor 'natural.'
Things are either natural or man-made. Man has no control over that
which is natural, or which create a concept which we recognize as 'universal.'
Natural, and universal, is the changes of the season, the rotation of the planets,
the natural laws of physics. Something that is universal is equally
applicable to everything. It is natural that all biological creatures die
There is no 'natural' right inherent in living. Only the certainty of death.
At different times for different species. And even within the species
itself. Nothing in nature provides 'natural' rights to any biological creature.
There is only an urge to survive. And given that 'urge to survive' in Man,
Man has DEVISED some principles that he believes will help in his
survival. Among these are the understanding that if he offers to not harm
another, there might be an agreement reached that the other will not
harm him. And this becomes an agreement between THEM, that there is
'a right to life,' rather than something as 'mysterious' as universal. . And
stupidly, some men (such as you), begin to call it a 'natural' right, or
a 'universal' right. But there is nothing either 'natural' or 'universal'
about any such nonsense. It is ARTIFICIAL. And most certainly
NOT 'universal.'
> Your completely immature assertion that because it is violated, means that
> it is not inherent,
It has nothing to do with being 'violated.' It has to do with the belief
that it EXISTS. It does not. It cannot. Life emerged from the first
self-replicating-protein, and proceeded to advance through evolution. The
'right to life' is NOT part of any such process. All life DIES... some
sooner, some later. If there was a 'right to life,' every living organism
(or man if you will), would live EXACTLY the same number of moments.
Even NATURE could not 'violate' that 'right'... just as nature cannot
violate the law of gravity. Nature sets the laws of what is 'universal,'
and it is obvious that a 'right to life' is not among those laws.
> is possibly (and I say 'possibly', as there are so
> many candidates) one of _the_ most stupid, idiotic, dribbling spastic
> pronouncements that you have ever seen fit to inflict on the newsgroup,
> and `echo $DEITY` only knows, that is no mean feat.
>
Yes... it is.. and you are the perpetrator of such madness. The
very concept of UNIVERSAL in respect to an 'artificially created'
right to life, is seen as the most meaningless gibberish ever
presented in this newsgroup.
> The right to life has nothing to do with 'God'.
No, shit, Sherlock... let me see... it's really 'Santa Claus' who provided this
universal 'right to life.' Everyone is entitled to be stupid at one time or
another, desi.. but Jesus... you sure abuse that privilege
> It was not given to
> man by a bearded figure with a halo, and it takes a simpleton to believe
> in the very existence of such a figure. The right to life is in all of
> us. It depends more on man, than on 'God', but it is greater than any
> one of us, and that we all, to varying degrees, contribute to its violation,
> does not in any way lesson its legitimacy. Its absoluteness.
>
No, it was not 'given' by ANYTHING or ANYONE. Because it DOES NOT
EXIST. There is no 'right to life' in all of us. That's the most sanctimonious
piece of rubbish I've ever read. No 'creator' gives it to us... but it just
'magically' appears. LOL. I suppose you believe in the Easter Bunny as well.
Simply put... man OFFERS protection for the 'life' of another, in return
for HIS protection, and so on. The 'natural' basis of the law rests
on the understanding that by 'giving' others certain rights we can expect
(if we are reasonable men), to receive those same rights in return. It
existed certainly from Roman times as codified law, in the form of 'do
ut des,' -- "I give so that you give." And even before in the 'moral code'
of the Golden Rule. A pyramid of matching 'rights' and 'obligations.'
Your 'argument' about some 'bearded figure of a man with a halo,' just
makes no sense, because my argument rejects such a concept, while
your argument 'subtly' DEPENDS on it. Either Man or God must
give such a right. And man CANNOT give 'universal' anything. So
it is YOU, who finds it necessary to refer to a 'higher power' than man.
I claim, in this argument, that 'higher power' just 'doesn't give a shit,'
about anything as silly as a 'universal right to life.' And it is pious
hypocrisy to presume there IS such a 'universal' right to life.
The next thing you know, you'll be saying that 'man is a moral animal.'
What a load of horseshit. Desi... just because you 'have one,' doesn't
mean you always have to 'be one.'
> { snip rest }
>
> You really are a deeply, profoundly idiotic man.
GIMMICK # 8 -- 'mindless drivel.' Nevertheless, I don't presume that
'something' gave us a universal 'right to life,' but it 'wasn't a creator.'
All sorts of creatures pass before my eyes as possibly having 'given' us
this 'magical' right to life. The famous pixie... Casper the ghost... Mickey
Mouse... Superman... The 'Big Kahuna'... Attila the Hun... Mitterand...
DeGalle.
Simply put... any idea that a 'creator' or a God or any supernatural
being provided a 'right to life,' is LAUGHABLE. One needs only read
the NEWSPAPER to see just how laughable. Thus, DO NOT presume
that I am arguing ANYTHING is respect to a 'God.' Whether there is
or is not a God - he is totally OBLIVIOUS to any 'right to life.' Only
MAN, using the power of his mind creates a 'right to life' among the
SELECT group of people that he intends to SHARE that 'right to life'
WITH. Anyone OUTSIDE of that select group has to either find their
own group, or 'tough it out' on their own. I do not deny that the EU
(a group of MEN, not Gods), has developed a legal framework which
states a criteria which it presumes those within the EU are entitled
to such a man-made 'right to life.' But there is NOTHING 'universal'
about it. And you're a blithering idiot to presume there is.
> And I pity you ... even
> although I know that you will take that as a negative comment, and respond
> with your rote 'ROTFLMAO', followed by claims to have 'won'. I pity you.
> If I were a Christian, I would pray for you. You are in desperate need of
> it. I truly feel pity for you. Rarely have I seen someone so close to
> the 'animal state'. Never have I seen someone so unaware of where he is,
> and of what he is.
>
Oh... my.... God... Desi is going pious on us!!!! Will fucking wonders never
cease? But, folks... recognize that he NEEDS to do so, to lend this 'mysterious'
air of 'a greater power' to his argument. Trying desperately to AVOID any
'complication' which might arise by using a 'creator,' which is the ONLY
crutch he could use to presume his absurd argument, he finds it better to
assume that his 'universal right to life,' just 'magically' appeared a few years
ago... coincident with the arrival of the EU. Notice how he starts to use words
he has NEVER used before, in his pitiful attempts to create a 'religious'
experience to his claim, while recognizing that 'religion' cannot even
be thought of in his bullshit. Pity... pray... 'animal state.' Jesus, if I
didn't know better I'd believe he was on a pulpit, starting off with 'now
all you sinners...' Literally.... A term I have tried to avoid using lately...
but desi accurately predicted that his nonsense could not get me to hold
back... ROTFLMAO. Literally ROTFMAO. A 'universal right to life'!!!!!!!
Sure, and monopoly money to feed all the poor as well. And let's not
forgot the 'laying of the hand' on the cripple, who desi intends to heal
before some 'mysterious' force comes to take away that 'universal
right to life,' which came from that 'mysterious' force as well. Let's not stop
there... let's have a 'universal' right to screw Carmen Electra. As long
as we're passing out all those 'magically' rights... let's at least make it
interesting. I'll trade you MY 'universal right to life' for THAT one. Yeah,
desi... you really 'won' this one. ho de fucking ho. Yeah... you 'created' a
universal right to life presuming YOU are God by doing so. BTW --
the Proctologist called... they found your head.
PV
> --
> Desmond Coughlan |A member of the 'Universal Right to Life'
|Church. Not to be confused with Don
|Kool's 'I shot the mutherfucker and I hope
|the mutherfucker dies' New Religion Church
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: DP accorded Falwell, Roberston and Graham
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 14:07:26 +0000
>
>Le Fri, 18 Oct 2002 07:32:11 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a
>écrit :
>
>{ snip 'whump-squeal' reverberating around AADP's 'hollowed [sic] halls' ...}
>
>>> religious 'bigot' (ho, ho .. isn't this fun to use words incorrectly ?)
>>> like you, would know it as _ex cathedra_. An abolitionist who evokes the
>>> brutality, the illegitimacy, or the inhumanity of the death penalty,
>cannot
>>> now, or ever, be 'wrong'. He is speaking _ex cathedra_ (in a _non-
>>> Catholic_ context), and as such, he cannot be wrong.
>
>> There is a certain counter argument that murder is brutal, murder is
>> illegitimate (the DP is not, of course, where it is legitimized in the
>law),
>> and murder is inhumane. Further, by 'presuming' that you cannot
>> be 'wrong,' you are presuming that an abolitionist is God. And your 'use'
>> of ex cathedra demonstrates how little you understand that term, which
>> you probably picked up on when I used it last. Since you have NEVER
>> used it in your entire posting history. While I used it as late as
>> yesterday. I don't believe you even knew the term existed, before I
>> used it.
>
>This is _perfect_ ... I couldn't wish for a more stupid opponent if I had
>'prayed' for one ... I'm laughing so much now ... it's almost painful ...
>
>LDB claiming that he 'taught' a native English speaker with a classical
>education, how to use Latin expressions ... ROTFFLMAO !!!!!! Not only
>that, but he claims that it's not in my 'posting history', when he knows
>only too well that he _can't access_ my posting history !! Bwaaaahahaha !!
>
> des...@lievre.voute.net % grep "cathedra" usenet/articles*
> usenet/articles:> claiming it provides an 'ex cathedra' definition to
those
>words.
> usenet/articles:>> > claiming it provides an 'ex cathedra' definition
to
>those words.
> usenet/articles:like you, would know it as _ex cathedra_. An
abolitionist
>who evokes the
> usenet/articles:now, or ever, be 'wrong'. He is speaking _ex cathedra_
(in
>a _non-
> usenet/articles_07_03_2002_to_05_06_2002:cathedral, and it's only a
short
>trip from there, South across the Loire,
> usenet/articles_12_02_2001_to_25_10_2001:Canterbury. Nor did I see the
>bloody cathedral !! :)
> usenet/articles_25_10_2001_to_07_03_2002:>> nice cathedral and a lovely
>small-town atmosphere.
> usenet/articles_to_12_02_2001:> >it "ex-cathedra" - he has refused to
do so,
>and as such, Catholics
> usenet/articles_to_12_02_2001:> if it was such a moral issue, why
hasn't he
>spoken "ex-cathedra" and made it
> usenet/articles_to_12_02_2001:Who decided that, David, and did he
decide it
>_ex cathedra_ ..?
>
>Remove the instances of 'cathedral', and my use of the word yesterday, and
>we have three instances of the use of _ex cathedra_ in my posts. Let's check
>
>them out ...
>
>Instance 1 was a response to David Proctor, posted on 25 April 1999.
>Instance
>2 was another response, posted the same day. The third use of that
>expression
>was on Sunday 31 October 1999.
>
>LOL ... another quality 'fuckwit' post from LDB .. the master of shooting
>himself in the foot ...
>
>{ snip remainder of pathetic attempts to appear 'araldite' (sic), coupled
> with some toe-curlingly bad logical errors, topped off with the usual
> claim to have 'won' ... }
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>desmond @ zeouane.org |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>http: // www . zeouane . org
>
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
>Subject: Re: DP accorded Falwell, Roberston and Graham
>Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 14:07:26 +0000
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A Planet Visitor
> Le Fri, 18 Oct 2002 07:32:11 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a écrit :
>
> { snip 'whump-squeal' reverberating around AADP's 'hollowed [sic] halls' ...}
>
> >> religious 'bigot' (ho, ho .. isn't this fun to use words incorrectly ?)
> >> like you, would know it as _ex cathedra_. An abolitionist who evokes the
> >> brutality, the illegitimacy, or the inhumanity of the death penalty, cannot
> >> now, or ever, be 'wrong'. He is speaking _ex cathedra_ (in a _non-
> >> Catholic_ context), and as such, he cannot be wrong.
>
> > There is a certain counter argument that murder is brutal, murder is
> > illegitimate (the DP is not, of course, where it is legitimized in the law),
> > and murder is inhumane. Further, by 'presuming' that you cannot
> > be 'wrong,' you are presuming that an abolitionist is God. And your 'use'
> > of ex cathedra demonstrates how little you understand that term, which
> > you probably picked up on when I used it last. Since you have NEVER
> > used it in your entire posting history. While I used it as late as
> > yesterday. I don't believe you even knew the term existed, before I
> > used it.
>
> This is _perfect_ ... I couldn't wish for a more stupid opponent if I had
> 'prayed' for one ... I'm laughing so much now ... it's almost painful ...
>
GIMMICK # 8 - Provide desi's famous 'mindless drivel.'
> LDB claiming that he 'taught' a native English speaker with a classical
> education, how to use Latin expressions ... ROTFFLMAO !!!!!! Not only
> that, but he claims that it's not in my 'posting history', when he knows
> only too well that he _can't access_ my posting history !! Bwaaaahahaha !!
>
> des...@lievre.voute.net % grep "cathedra" usenet/articles*
> usenet/articles:> claiming it provides an 'ex cathedra' definition to those words.
> usenet/articles:>> > claiming it provides an 'ex cathedra' definition to those words.
> usenet/articles:like you, would know it as _ex cathedra_. An abolitionist who evokes the
> usenet/articles:now, or ever, be 'wrong'. He is speaking _ex cathedra_ (in a _non-
> usenet/articles_07_03_2002_to_05_06_2002:cathedral, and it's only a short trip from there, South across the Loire,
> usenet/articles_12_02_2001_to_25_10_2001:Canterbury. Nor did I see the bloody cathedral !! :)
> usenet/articles_25_10_2001_to_07_03_2002:>> nice cathedral and a lovely small-town atmosphere.
> usenet/articles_to_12_02_2001:> >it "ex-cathedra" - he has refused to do so, and as such, Catholics
> usenet/articles_to_12_02_2001:> if it was such a moral issue, why hasn't he spoken "ex-cathedra" and made it
> usenet/articles_to_12_02_2001:Who decided that, David, and did he decide it _ex cathedra_ ..?
>
> Remove the instances of 'cathedral', and my use of the word yesterday, and
> we have three instances of the use of _ex cathedra_ in my posts. Let's check
> them out ...
>
> Instance 1 was a response to David Proctor, posted on 25 April 1999. Instance
> 2 was another response, posted the same day. The third use of that expression
> was on Sunday 31 October 1999.
>
You're right... and I apologize... I did a search on _ex cathedra_ and for some
reason came up blank. Maybe I mistyped it. I did not do a search of
"ex cathedra" which would have undoubtedly saved me some embarrassment.
See how easy it is to apologize when not saddled with the huge ego you
possess?
> LOL ... another quality 'fuckwit' post from LDB .. the master of shooting
> himself in the foot ...
>
GIMMICK # 8. 'mindless drivel.' which turns a victory over a search in
google, into a pathetic example of what desi is 'really' all about.
> { snip remainder of pathetic attempts to appear 'araldite' (sic), coupled
> with some toe-curlingly bad logical errors, topped off with the usual
> claim to have 'won' ... }
>
See above. Actually, I most certainly won any 'argument' you might
present that there is such a thing as a 'universal right to life.' In fact, you
clipped EVERYTHING, and concentrated on a mistake I made in
searching google. Your 'universal right to life' argument is the most
absurd, sanctimonious, pious, holier-than-thou, self-righteous, unctuous,
slimy, senseless, illogical, unaware of natural consideration, ostentatious,
and flamboyant arguments any person could offer. Reminiscent of
a holy-roller revival meeting preacher giving a sermon. I can see you
now, on your pulpit -- "Listen, sinners... today we are going to establish
a Universal Right to Life for 'our members.' Now... fuck those others..
because WE ARE THE UNIVERSE. Let's all pray, now... our Father,
who art the E.U...."
PV
> --
>Rev Desmond Coughlan |Grand Leader of the High Order
|of the Universal Right to Life Church
|of the EU - and fuck those others
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: DP accorded Falwell, Roberston and Graham
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 17:07:16 +0000
>
>Le Sat, 19 Oct 2002 04:17:44 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a
>écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>> You're right... and I apologize... I did a search on _ex cathedra_ and for
>some
>> reason came up blank. Maybe I mistyped it. I did not do a search of
>> "ex cathedra" which would have undoubtedly saved me some embarrassment.
>> See how easy it is to apologize when not saddled with the huge ego you
>> possess?
>
>There is no reason for you to 'apologize' (sic), as you were acting in good
>faith. You were certainly being stupid, but then if you weren't, I'd
>start to wonder who had hijacked 'your' (sic) 'handle' (sic).
>
>The irony of your once more being spanked by not knowing how to use a
>search engine, is lovely. Especially as _you_ accused me of just such
>a failing not that long ago. Of course, as you were unable to 'finf'
>(sic) your own use of 'big words', this shouldn't surprise us. Not
>forgetting your inability to disprove the existence of pixies (thus
>'proving' (sic) that they 'exist') ... or your belief that Geneva is
>in France (one assumes that their embassy is just down the road from
>'Newfound's' (sic)). All of that pales into insignificance, of course,
>when we remember your stating that O.J. Simpson was 'convicted of murder
>in a civil court'. When called on it, you went into 'Squirm Mode', and
>tried to convince us that 'being found guilty' isn't the same as being
>'convicted'. Ho, ho, ho ... all that American 'flavor' (sic) must be
>'effecting' (sic) your mind. Still, one thing that you _are_ good at, is
>claiming 'victory' in the face of an almost crushing rout. Perhaps
>when you believe that 'others are posting to others', it means that we
>shan't 'finf' (sic) 'you're' (sic) posts to be full of logical ('language'
>(sic)) holes.
>
>You're wrong.
>
>{ snip remainder of ... why, quelle surprise ... claims to have 'won' }
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>desmond @ zeouane.org |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>http: // www . zeouane . org
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
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A Planet Visitor
> Le Sat, 19 Oct 2002 04:17:44 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> > reason came up blank. Maybe I mistyped it. I did not do a search of
> > "ex cathedra" which would have undoubtedly saved me some embarrassment.
> > See how easy it is to apologize when not saddled with the huge ego you
> > possess?
>
> faith. You were certainly being stupid, but then if you weren't, I'd
> start to wonder who had hijacked 'your' (sic) 'handle' (sic).
>
> The irony of your once more being spanked by not knowing how to use a
> search engine, is lovely. Especially as _you_ accused me of just such
> a failing not that long ago. Of course, as you were unable to 'finf'
> (sic) your own use of 'big words', this shouldn't surprise us. Not
> forgetting your inability to disprove the existence of pixies (thus
> 'proving' (sic) that they 'exist') ... or your belief that Geneva is
> in France (one assumes that their embassy is just down the road from
> 'Newfound's' (sic)). All of that pales into insignificance, of course,
> when we remember your stating that O.J. Simpson was 'convicted of murder
> in a civil court'. When called on it, you went into 'Squirm Mode', and
> 'convicted'. Ho, ho, ho ... all that American 'flavor' (sic) must be
> 'effecting' (sic) your mind. Still, one thing that you _are_ good at, is
> claiming 'victory' in the face of an almost crushing rout. Perhaps
> when you believe that 'others are posting to others', it means that we
> shan't 'finf' (sic) 'you're' (sic) posts to be full of logical ('language'
> (sic)) holes.
>
more powerful than an allomorph, able to detect a missing comma at a
single bound. It's a bird... it's a plane... no... it's the arch-enemy of the
split-infinitive -- FDP!!! <applause...applause... applause>. I am surprised
however, that you somehow didn't mention 'drewl.'
> You're wrong.
>
And you're stupid. But I can be right sometimes. While stupid seems
to stick with you.
> { snip remainder of ... why, quelle surprise ... claims to have 'won' }
>
Oh... if you're speaking of the UNIVERSAL (ho de fucking ho) Right to Life,
then you can bet your booty I 'won.' And that's why you clipped everything,
and why I will not let you forget it. UNIVERSAL, sport, is something that
is... well... simply 'universal.' It CANNOT be 'violated,' as you claimed that
it makes no difference if it IS violated. It just simply CAN'T BE violated.
The law of gravity is 'universal' and that can't be 'violated.' Universal physical
constants can't be violated. The charge on the electron, the rest mass of the
electron, proton and neutron, nuclear fusion which keeps our sun going.
The PHYSICAL LAWS which keep our universe running. Cannot be
violated. But, all biological life IS violated, since the first self-replicating
protein emerged from the prebiotic soup. It's called the food-chain. ALL
life -- lives -- then dies. In between it has only an urge to survive,
and nothing more. I am a believer in a creator, but it is the most blind,
arrogant, self-centered, conceited, false-glorification to presume something
that is so obviously not in existence in our secular world. It actually presumes
that 'man is God.' And many a buck has changed hands, using just such
thinking. Usually from the hand of the desperate to the hand of the greedy.
But whether there is or is not a 'creator,' is not actually the point, simply
because it is arrogant to an extreme to claim that 'man' among all the
diverse biological creatures in our universe, was provided something
called a 'universal right to life.' If you do not believe in a creator, then it is
obvious you seem to think that Man IS God, and can 'create' a 'universal'
truth. So the only choices left to you, are to presume there IS a 'creator'
and he has just recently picked out some select humans in the E.U. to
given them a 'universal (ho de fucking ho) right to life, after having ignored
our entire species for about a million years (rather disproving your claim of
'transcending time'), or you presume that YOU are God and may grant your
benevolent powers on the E.U. (to the exclusion of those starving children
in Africa).
Now, in respect to my belief in a creator. There is no doubt that he is total
unconcerned about any 'right to life.' The laws He placed in motion do not
provide for anything such as that, and it is self-important conceit, to presume
He has. If there is anything for each of us as individuals it is obviously NOT
in this secular universal world. There is only the greater universal force of
evolution that seems to be determining where this creator intends this
BIOLOGICAL life will ultimately go. Of course WHERE is certainly hidden
to us at this time. Nor is there even a clue that it is OUR species
that will take biological life there. I believe this creator's greatest gift
was the very thing that mitigates AGAINST any 'right to life.' That of
evolution. And that of the biological food-chain. The constant renewal,
and sometimes steady, sometimes in spurts, advances made by biological
life. The only other course, which I accept as a valid opinion is that there
is no creator, there is no ultimate goal, and there is no rhyme or reason
why we are even here. In either case... NEITHER view provides anything
called a 'universal right to life.'
Want to hear what is bound to become famous for all time as the most
stupid statement ever to cross Usenet? Your words --
"The right to life is a universal right. It transcends religion, time, and
morals. It cannot be abrogated. It cannot be violated with impunity. It
is the birthright of every human, irrespective of sex, race, religion,
sexual orientation, or criminal history."
One need only look at that, and picture someone with a long beard, and
a flowing robe, and a booming voice, roaring out the most obscene thought
ever devised by man. Desi -- shaking his fist at the sinner from the pulpit.
And if there is ANYONE you resemble at that pulpit... it is the three you
mention above. You would get no argument from them regarding your
ignorance. They would embrace you like a brother, in a coven of ignorance...
presuming 'religion' provides a 'natural' force of nature, while BLIND to the
world around them. And also presuming that this 'right to life' is ONLY
granted to the 'chosen.' Have you ever considered going on one of those
TV Evangelist Shows, FDP? If you can also play the piano, and sing all
verses to 'Glory to Jesus,' there is a job waiting for you. The more I see
of you... the more of a 'religious' hypocrite I find you to be.
PV
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> Rev Desmond Coughlan |High Illustrious Revered Priest
|of the Order of Universal Right
|to life Church of AADP