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Dec 30, 2002, 12:34:43 PM12/30/02

Larry Mondello wrote:

Question for Ken McVay; What Happened to the SAAF Funds You Denied Receiving?
In the following two archives you claim as late as January 4, 2001:
"The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort whatsoever within the
United States. Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any
money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" AND you are also
on record as stating: "...The San Antonio Area Foundation has never paid
me - or anyone else, to my knowledge... I have no connection in San Antonio,
and neither does Nizkor. Get used to it" on June 2, 2000.

Proofs that you did, in fact, make those statements:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=1&selm=9334lf%241nlt%241%40news.tht.net
From: Kenneth McVay, OBC (kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org)
Subject: STILL Waiting for Donnie..... (Or "Bradbury: Wrong Again")
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Message-ID: <9334lf$1nlt$1...@news.tht.net>
Date: 2001-01-04 16:32:12 PST
^^^^^^^^^^
The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort whatsoever within the
United States. Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any
money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund"

~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/2000/San_Antonio_Area_Foundation_donation
(Link active December 19, 2002)
From kmc...@nizkor.org Thu Jun 1 21:09:22 EDT 2000
Article: 747674 of alt.revisionism
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The embezzlement question McVay refuses to answer
Date: 2 Jun 2000 01:04:24 GMT
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Message-ID: <8h716n$2t9h$1...@news.tht.net>
References: <282e6175...@usw-ex0103-086.remarq.com>

"Blakely" wrote in message
news:282e6175...@usw-ex0103-086.remarq.com...
> What did you do with the $50,000 given to you to start a Nizkor
> operation in San Antonio? Since you claim you don't have a San
> Antonio operation, is it safe to say that you simply embezzled
> the money?

.. The San Antonio Area Foundation has never paid me - or anyone
else, to my knowledge...

> Or did you lie (you seem to be good at that lately) about not
> having a Nizkor connection in San Antonio?

I have no connection in San Antonio, and neither does Nizkor. Get used
to it.

~~End of Nizkor Archive~~

You claimed (as stated above) on January 4, 2001: ""The Nizkor Project has
no operations of any sort whatsoever within the United States. Neither
The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any money from the
"San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" YET a downloadable PDF from
the San Antonio Area Foundation Year 2000 Reports lists the Nizkor Fund
among its recipients.

Care to explain? Care to tell us what you did with those funds?

My proof about SAAF Year 2000:

http://www.saafdn.org/pdf/Fin2000.pdf
[Link active for downloading and for verification December 19, 2002.
(I have already downloaded and archived the PDF in case it becomes
unavailable for some reason.)]

Our mission: Helping donors achieve their charitable goals
Annual Report 2000
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
San Antonio Area Foundation
Growing to Give, Giving to Grow

Page 3
Fund Types
The San Antonio Area Foundation is dedicated to improving the quality
of life in our community through funding that impacts vital nonprofit
organizations so they can help people in time of need.

Discretionary Funds
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
These funds enable the Area Foundation to respond
flexibly to changing community needs and emergencies.
Decisions on how to most appropriately use these
funds are left to the discretion of the Area Foundation’s
Advisory Committees and Board of Directors. Any size
gift may be given as a discretionary gift.
You’ll find many reasonable options for creating your
own fund in the paragraphs that follow. However,
if you wish to contribute to the work of the Area
Foundation and do not see an option that suits your
plan for giving, we invite you to contribute to an
existing discretionary fund. One of the many advantages
of this type of giving is that there is no minimum
contribution — you may give as little or as much as
you wish, as often as you wish.

[...]

Unrestricted Net Assets
AS OF DECEMBER 31 , 2000
Discretionary (unrestricted) 20 %
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Donor Advised Funds 36 %
Designated Funds 4 %
Field of Interest Funds 23 %
Scholarship Funds 17 %

Page 4
Discretionary Funds
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Alamo Fund
Phoebe P. and John H. Foster Memorial Fund
Nat and Mannie Goldsmith Memorial Trust
Ruth Lang Charitable Fund

[...]

Beulah M. and Felix J. Katz Memorial Trust
Beta and Melvin Leazar Memorial Fund
Nizkor Fund
^^^^^^^^^^^
Mary Kay Owens Memorial Fund
Gaynelle and Gene Rankin Endowment Trust

[...]

S A N A N T O N I O A R E A F O U N DAT I O N
Post Office Box 120366 I San Antonio, Texas 78212
210-225-2243 I 210-225-1980 Fax
w w w. s a a f d n . o r g

<END>

Everyone remember I showed two documents above where Ken McVay plainly stated:
"The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort whatsoever within the United
States. Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any money
from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" AND ".... The San Antonio
Area Foundation has never paid me - or anyone else, to my knowledge..." YET
Ken McVay seems to give thanks for donations received from the San Antonio
Area Foundation in this archived post:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=50n608%249ds%40nizkor.almanac.bc.ca&output=gplain
From: kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support
Date: 1996/09/05
Message-ID: <50n608$9...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
x-network: http://www.nizkor.org/
organization: The Nizkor Project

[...]

In the United States, checks should be made payable to:

"SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"

and should be mailed to:

San Antonio Area Foundation
Nizkor Fund
P.O. Box 120366
San Antonio, TX 78212-9566

The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial
improvements in service.

~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~

If Ken McVay's claim "The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any
money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" is TRUE then why did
he give thanks for donations made to his Nizkor web site in the archive above?
If Ken McVay never received any money from the San Antonio Area Foundation
Nizkor Fund then how does he explain what he posted as shown in these archives?

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=4pvbkg%24auc%40nizkor.almanac.bc.ca&output=gplain
From: kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
Subject: Nizkor Project financing and Kleinsorg's slandering Germans
Date: 1996/06/15
Message-ID: <4pvbkg$a...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>#1/1
organization: The Nizkor Project

"...I am financed by thousands of "just plain folks" who wish to support my
work... In the United States, they make their cheques payable to: SAN ANTONIO
AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund.. P.O. Box 120366; San Antonio, TX 78212-9566"

~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~

If Ken McVay and his Nizkor has never received any money from the San Antonio
Area Foundation then why would he say (as shown in the archive above): "I am
financed by thousands of "just plain folks" who wish to support my work... In
the United States, they make their cheques payable to: SAN ANTONIO
AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"?

Remember again everyone that Ken McVay has plainly stated (as shown in this
very post): "The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort whatsoever within
the United States. Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received
any money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" AND "...The
San Antonio Area Foundation has never paid me - or anyone else, to my
knowledge..." which would mean his ally Laura Finsten lied when she made this
very post:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SOL.3.96.970608110523.5876A-100000%40mcmail.CIS.McMaster.CA&output=gplain
From: Laura Finsten <fin...@mcmail.CIS.McMaster.CA>
Subject: Re: Yet another Nazional Appliance Illiteracy Alert!
Date: 1997/06/08
Message-ID:
<Pine.SOL.3.96.97060...@mcmail.CIS.McMaster.CA>#1/1
References: <3395F0...@dreamon.com>
<Pine.SOL.3.96.970605...@mcmail.CIS.McMaster.CA>
<339a9138...@news.pnet.net>

On Sat, 7 Jun 1997, Michael wrote:

> On Thu, 5 Jun 1997 15:09:40 -0400, Laura Finsten
> <fin...@mcmail.CIS.McMaster.CA> wrote:

> >On Wed, 4 Jun 1997 vin...@dreamon.com wrote:

> >> As is now well known, the Nizkook Cult is directly funded by the The
> >> Anti-Defamation League [...]

> >Let's see. B'nai Brith Canada accepts donations designated for the Nizkor
> >Project and passes the money so designated along to Nizkor. Just how do
> >you go from this to "directly funded by the Anti-Defamation League"?
> >Here's an analogy that might work. A university has a "Centennial Fund"
> >which accepts donations to the university and, where the donor has so
> >specified", channels the donations to the library. This does _not_ mean
> >that the library is _directly funded_ by the Centennial Fund. Duh.

> Fairytales From Fin Spin.

Uh no, the example I used as an analogy is based on a real case. All
kinds of institutions that rely on donations for some or all of their
finances have such arrangements.

> All your b s aside above (as though Bnai Brith only took checks and
> gave them to Nizkor; all innocent and stuff. Ask any professional who
> deals with not-for-profits about the ease of shuffling funds.)

I have no idea how common such "shuffling [of] funds" may be. But the key
issue here is whether you have any evidence at all to support your much
repeatedly but utterly empty claim that this is the case with the
arrangement between Nizkor and B'nai Brith? I don't see any of you trying
to smear the San Antonio Area Foundation which, ironically, has probably
provided more funding for the project since it has a far larger pool of
donors to draw upon....

~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~

I ask everyone-- Who is the liar? Ken McVay or Laura Finsten?

Ken McVay still claims: "Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever
received any money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" AND
"...The San Antonio Area Foundation has never paid me - or anyone else, to
my knowledge..."

Laura Finsten plainly stated: "...the San Antonio Area Foundation which,
ironically, has probably provided more funding for the project" referring to
the Nizkor Project.

Remember everyone what McVay has claimed about never receiving any money from
the San Antonio Area Foundation when you read this:

In article <31c2fa3a...@news.annap.infi.net>,
h...@annap.infi.net (Horst Kleinsorg) wrote, in response to my
suggestion that he actually do some research:

>First tell us who is financing your Nizkor, then we perhaps can
>talk.

Thank you for bringing that up, Mr. Kleinsorg. I am financed
by thousands of "just plain folks" who wish to support my
work. In Canada, they make their cheques payable to

Congregation Emmanu-El / Nizkor Project

and mail them to:

Congregation Emmanu-El / Nizkor Project
1461 Blanshard St.
Victoria, BC
V8W 2J3

In the United States, they make their cheques payable to:

SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund

and mail them to:

San Antonio Area Foundation
Nizkor Fund
P.O. Box 120366
San Antonio, TX 78212-9566

Once again, Mr. Kleinsorg, thank you for asking. I trust this
open, public response will satisfy your query.

By the way, Mr. Kleinsorg... now that I have responded openly
and honestly to your question, perhaps you can tell us what
difference it makes who finances my work... you are still
slandering Germans, and the German military, and I fail to see
how my financing changes that.

--
The Nizkor Project (Canada) - An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
[Ftp] http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?
[Europe] ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/ (Under construction - permanently!)......unlearn

~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~

If Ken McVay and his Nizkor has never received any money from the
San Antonio Area Foundation then why did he include the San Antonio
Area Foundation as a source which "finances [his] work"?

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=5n6ib9%24f3h%241%40eclipse.txdirect.net&output=gplain
From: kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Ken McVay)
Subject: Re: McVay Confirms Nizkor's ADL Connection: Mossad and ARA Also
Allies.
Date: 1997/06/05
Message-ID: <5n6ib9$f3h$1...@eclipse.txdirect.net>#1/1
References: <5mdbl0$4...@crack.usaor.net> <5minb5$m...@crack.usaor.net>
<5n2nlg$o...@freenet-news.carleton.ca> <5n400d$s...@crack.usaor.net>
X-Remember: http://www.nizkor.org/
Organization: The Nizkor Project

In article <5n400d$s...@crack.usaor.net>, i...@usaor.net (William "Ian
McKinney Roger Hughes" Scott) wrote:

>McVay admits the ADL collects and disburses the money to Nizkor. Just

The ADL is an American organization. American funds donated to The
Nizkor Project are handled by the San Antonio Area Foundation, which
has no ties to the ADL....

~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~

Ken McVay certainly flip-flops or is it he can't keep track of which lie he is
telling for the given time? He has claimed: "Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken
McVay has ever received any money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation -
Nizkor Fund" AND ".... The San Antonio Area Foundation has never paid me - or
anyone else, to my knowledge..." YET in the archives above he stated: "American
funds donated to The Nizkor Project are handled by the San Antonio Area Foundation.."
AND "I am financed by thousands of "just plain folks" who wish to support my
work... In the United States, they make their cheques payable to: SAN ANTONIO
AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund.. By the way, Mr. Kleinsorg... now that I have
responded openly and honestly to your question, perhaps you can tell us what
difference it makes who finances my work."

Here you are caught lying again about your connection to the San Antonio
Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=9lhffm%2425ck%241%40news.tht.net
From: kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.flame.jews
Subject: Re: Lookie lookie what we got here.
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:55:02 +0000 (UTC)
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Message-ID: <9lhffm$25ck$1...@news.tht.net>

There is no connection between Nizkor and the San Antonio Area
Foundation, period. Whatever "Nizkor Fund" exists, if indeed one does,
has nothing whatsoever to do with the Nizkor Project or with me.

If you have evidence that "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
c/o BASIC" has anything whatsoever to do with either The Nizkor
Project or Ken McVay, by all means present it.

~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~

As for your challenge: "If you have evidence that "San Antonio Area
Foundation - Nizkor Fund c/o BASIC" has anything whatsoever to do with
either The Nizkor Project or Ken McVay, by all means present it."; I PRESENT:

Put up or shut up, Mr. Giwer
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/m/mcvay-ken/put-up-shut-up.html
. scientific standards, Mr. Giwer will agree to the immediate release of the
trust funds to the San Antonio Area Foundation Nizkor Fund as a tax-exempt
donation. ... www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/m/mcvay-ken/put-up-shut-up.html

[UseNet headers trimmed]

From: kmc...@nizkor.org (Ken McVay OBC)
Subject: Put up or shut up, Mr. Giwer: The Himmler tape
Date: 22 Aug 1996 14:48:35 -0700
Message-ID: <4vikjj%24...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>

"Mr. Giwer will agree to the immediate release of the trust funds to the San
Antonio Area Foundation Nizkor Fund as a tax-exempt donation..."

<END>

Your own web site link shows the connection! Care to deny it?

The term AUDIT keeps popping up in my mind!

The Nizkor Project -- Ken McVay Director
P.O. Box 244, Station A
Nanaimo, B.C. V9R 5K9 Canada
1-250-616-9431
1-416-966-0461
~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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is unverified.

Ken McVay

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Dec 30, 2002, 12:57:49 PM12/30/02

In article <BIDZ89DM3762...@anonymous.poster>,
Henry <her...@mindless.com> wrote:

>Larry "I'm really not TubbyBlubber" Mondello wrote:
>
>Question for Ken McVay; What Happened to the SAAF Funds You Denied Receiving?
>In the following two archives you claim as late as January 4, 2001:
>"The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort whatsoever within the
>United States. Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any
>money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" AND you are also
>on record as stating: "...The San Antonio Area Foundation has never paid
>me - or anyone else, to my knowledge... I have no connection in San Antonio,
>and neither does Nizkor. Get used to it" on June 2, 2000.

The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort whatsoever within the
United States. Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any
money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" AND you are also
on record as stating: "...The San Antonio Area Foundation has never paid
me - or anyone else, to my knowledge... I have no connection in San Antonio,
and neither does Nizkor. Get used to it" on June 2, 2000.

http://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/2000/San_Antonio_Area_Foundation_donation

(This is kind of fun. You keep making an ass of yourself, and I'll keep
laughing at you.)

--
"...the antisemite is immune to refutation from either facts or logic.
An antisemite has chosen to live in hatred, without regard to either
facts or logic." (Matas, David. Bloody Speech, p. 37)
The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org

George Black

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Dec 30, 2002, 1:58:26 PM12/30/02

"Henry" <her...@mindless.com> wrote in message
news:BIDZ89DM3762...@anonymous.poster...

> Larry Mondello wrote:
>
> Question for Ken McVay; What Happened to the SAAF Funds You Denied
Receiving?
> In the following two archives you claim as late as January 4, 2001:
> "The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort whatsoever within the
> United States. Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received
any
> money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" AND you are
also
> on record as stating: "...The San Antonio Area Foundation has never paid
> me - or anyone else, to my knowledge... I have no connection in San
Antonio,
> and neither does Nizkor. Get used to it" on June 2, 2000.
>

Well Ken has explained to you often enough that I suspect that its only
pedantic race hatred and incredible stupidity that keeps you here.

Now be a good little nazi apologist and fuck off back into the 1930s

Adam Helberg

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Dec 30, 2002, 8:03:28 PM12/30/02

"George Black" <gbl...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
news:auq54l$qq9$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz...

Agreed. Also the little Nazi should stop posting as Henry.

Adam

Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer

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Dec 30, 2002, 8:06:26 PM12/30/02

On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:57:49 GMT, <xO%P9.1985$C43.13...@news.nnrp.ca> kmc...@vex.net (Ken McVay) wrote:

>The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort whatsoever within the
>United States. Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any
>money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" AND you are also
>on record as stating: "...The San Antonio Area Foundation has never paid
>me - or anyone else, to my knowledge... I have no connection in San Antonio,
>and neither does Nizkor. Get used to it" on June 2, 2000.
>

If you have never received any money from the San Antonio Foundation then
why did you tell a Mr. Kleinsorg the San Antonio Area Foundation helps
finance your work and why did Laura Finsten say they provided the majority
of your funding? Why are you listed as a recipient in the San Antonio Area
Foundation Year 2000 Report?

and mail them to:

~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~

If you have never received any money from SAAF then why did you include
them among the financers of your Nizkor? You are a god damned evil liar.

> Fairytales From Fin Spin.

Is shithead McVay going to call Laura Finsten a liar?

[...]

<END>

>(This is kind of fun. You keep making an ass of yourself, and I'll keep
>laughing at you.)
>

You are a god damned pathological liar just like the other shits who
associate themselves with you.

Ken McVay

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Dec 30, 2002, 8:19:32 PM12/30/02

In article <3d9666d7a5086312...@cypherpunks.to>,

Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer <nob...@cypherpunks.to> wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:57:49 GMT,
><xO%P9.1985$C43.13...@news.nnrp.ca> kmc...@vex.net (Ken McVay)
>wrote:
>
>>The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort whatsoever within the
>>United States. Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any
>>money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" AND you are also
>>on record as stating: "...The San Antonio Area Foundation has never paid
>>me - or anyone else, to my knowledge... I have no connection in San Antonio,
>>and neither does Nizkor. Get used to it" on June 2, 2000.
>>
>If you have never received any money from the San Antonio Foundation then
>why did you tell a Mr. Kleinsorg the San Antonio Area Foundation helps
>finance your work and why did Laura Finsten say they provided the majority
>of your funding? Why are you listed as a recipient in the San Antonio Area
>Foundation Year 2000 Report?

You aren't very good at this, are you? I would recommend an elementary
reading comprehension course - you need it.

Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay are listed as SAAF Year 2000
Report.

Do give school serious thought - once you get it behind you, you'll be
able to move on to high school and date girls.

Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer

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Jan 2, 2003, 1:06:05 PM1/2/03

On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 01:03:28 GMT, <A16Q9.3829$134.4...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> "Adam Helberg" <helb...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>"George Black" <gbl...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
>news:auq54l$qq9$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>
>>
>> "Henry" <her...@mindless.com> wrote in message
>> news:BIDZ89DM3762...@anonymous.poster...
>> > Larry Mondello wrote:
>> >
>> > Question for Ken McVay; What Happened to the SAAF Funds You Denied
>> > Receiving? In the following two archives you claim as late as January 4, 2001:

>> > "The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort whatsoever within the
>> > United States. Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever
>> > received any money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" AND you
>> > are also on record as stating: "...The San Antonio Area Foundation has never paid
>> > me - or anyone else, to my knowledge... I have no connection in San Antonio,
>> > and neither does Nizkor. Get used to it" on June 2, 2000.
>>

>> Well Ken has explained to you often enough that I suspect that its only
>> pedantic race hatred and incredible stupidity that keeps you here.
>>

Name call and personal attacks are no explanation. They are the tactics used
by someone who can't explain their operations legitimately.

>> Now be a good little nazi apologist and fuck off back into the 1930s
>

What does exposing Ken McVay's dishonesty and evasiveness have to do with
nazi apologia? I have not seen nazism mentioned.

>Agreed. Also the little Nazi should stop posting as Henry.
>

Are you one of Henry's and McVay's suck buddies? Do you three swap blows with each other?

>Adam
>

Larry Mondello wrote:

Question for Ken McVay; What Happened to the SAAF Funds You Denied Receiving?
In the following two archives you claim as late as January 4, 2001:

"The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort whatsoever within the
United States. Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any
money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" AND you are also
on record as stating: "...The San Antonio Area Foundation has never paid
me - or anyone else, to my knowledge... I have no connection in San Antonio,
and neither does Nizkor. Get used to it" on June 2, 2000.

Proofs that you did, in fact, make those statements:

~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/2000/San_Antonio_Area_Foundation_donation

(Link active December 19, 2002)
From kmc...@nizkor.org Thu Jun 1 21:09:22 EDT 2000
Article: 747674 of alt.revisionism
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The embezzlement question McVay refuses to answer
Date: 2 Jun 2000 01:04:24 GMT
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Message-ID: <8h716n$2t9h$1...@news.tht.net>
References: <282e6175...@usw-ex0103-086.remarq.com>

. The San Antonio Area Foundation has never paid me - or anyone
else, to my knowledge...

> Or did you lie (you seem to be good at that lately) about not

> having a Nizkor connection in San Antonio?

I have no connection in San Antonio, and neither does Nizkor. Get used
to it.

~~End of Nizkor Archive~~

You claimed (as stated above) on January 4, 2001: ""The Nizkor Project has

no operations of any sort whatsoever within the United States. Neither
The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any money from the

"San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" YET a downloadable PDF from
the San Antonio Area Foundation Year 2000 Reports lists the Nizkor Fund
among its recipients.

Care to explain? Care to tell us what you did with those funds?

My proof about SAAF Year 2000:

http://www.saafdn.org/pdf/Fin2000.pdf

[...]

<END>

Everyone remember I showed two documents above where Ken McVay plainly stated:

"The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort whatsoever within the United
States. Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any money

from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" AND ".... The San Antonio
Area Foundation has never paid me - or anyone else, to my knowledge..." YET
Ken McVay seems to give thanks for donations received from the San Antonio
Area Foundation in this archived post:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=50n608%249ds%40nizkor.almanac.bc.ca&output=gplain

From: kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)

Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support
Date: 1996/09/05
Message-ID: <50n608$9...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
x-network: http://www.nizkor.org/
organization: The Nizkor Project

[...]

In the United States, checks should be made payable to:

"SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"

and should be mailed to:

San Antonio Area Foundation
Nizkor Fund
P.O. Box 120366
San Antonio, TX 78212-9566

The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial
improvements in service.

~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~

If Ken McVay's claim "The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any

money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" is TRUE then why did
he give thanks for donations made to his Nizkor web site in the archive above?
If Ken McVay never received any money from the San Antonio Area Foundation
Nizkor Fund then how does he explain what he posted as shown in these archives?

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=4pvbkg%24auc%40nizkor.almanac.bc.ca&output=gplain

From: kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
Subject: Nizkor Project financing and Kleinsorg's slandering Germans
Date: 1996/06/15

Message-ID: <4pvbkg$a...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>#1/1
organization: The Nizkor Project

~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~

the United States, they make their cheques payable to: SAN ANTONIO

AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"?

Remember again everyone that Ken McVay has plainly stated (as shown in this

very post): "The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort whatsoever within

the United States. Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received

any money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" AND "...The

San Antonio Area Foundation has never paid me - or anyone else, to my

knowledge..." which would mean his ally Laura Finsten lied when she made this
very post:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SOL.3.96.970608110523.5876A-100000%40mcmail.CIS.McMaster.CA&output=gplain

> Fairytales From Fin Spin.

I ask everyone-- Who is the liar? Ken McVay or Laura Finsten?

Ken McVay still claims: "Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever

received any money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" AND

"...The San Antonio Area Foundation has never paid me - or anyone else, to
my knowledge..."

Laura Finsten plainly stated: "...the San Antonio Area Foundation which,

ironically, has probably provided more funding for the project" referring to
the Nizkor Project.

Remember everyone what McVay has claimed about never receiving any money from
the San Antonio Area Foundation when you read this:

and mail them to:

~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~

If Ken McVay and his Nizkor has never received any money from the

San Antonio Area Foundation then why did he include the San Antonio
Area Foundation as a source which "finances [his] work"?

In article <5n400d$s...@crack.usaor.net>, i...@usaor.net (William "Ian
McKinney Roger Hughes" Scott) wrote:

>McVay admits the ADL collects and disburses the money to Nizkor. Just

The ADL is an American organization. American funds donated to The
Nizkor Project are handled by the San Antonio Area Foundation, which
has no ties to the ADL....

~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~

Ken McVay certainly flip-flops or is it he can't keep track of which lie he is
telling for the given time? He has claimed: "Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken

McVay has ever received any money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation -

Nizkor Fund" AND ".... The San Antonio Area Foundation has never paid me - or
anyone else, to my knowledge..." YET in the archives above he stated: "American
funds donated to The Nizkor Project are handled by the San Antonio Area Foundation.."

AND "I am financed by thousands of "just plain folks" who wish to support my
work... In the United States, they make their cheques payable to: SAN ANTONIO
AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund.. By the way, Mr. Kleinsorg... now that I have

responded openly and honestly to your question, perhaps you can tell us what

difference it makes who finances my work."

Here you are caught lying again about your connection to the San Antonio
Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund:

There is no connection between Nizkor and the San Antonio Area
Foundation, period. Whatever "Nizkor Fund" exists, if indeed one does,
has nothing whatsoever to do with the Nizkor Project or with me.

If you have evidence that "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
c/o BASIC" has anything whatsoever to do with either The Nizkor
Project or Ken McVay, by all means present it.

~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~

As for your challenge: "If you have evidence that "San Antonio Area

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