How the numbers were calculated, or "Holo-math (tm) 101"
Michael P. Stein
In article <01bc63cf$152fb740$5aa2cdcd@odin>,
Anthony Sabatini <anth...@infobahnos.com> wrote:
>It seems that more than one person here has claimed that the Holocaust death
>toll was reached by population analysis.
I believe that is only clearly true for the Jewish death toll. The
others are a grab bag. For example, homosexual death tolls would be hard
to reach by population analysis, but they make up a chunk of the
non-Jewish part of the 12 million.
>That is, the number of people
>'missing' after the war was subtracted from the number before the war and
>voila, 12 million people is had.
Definitely wrong for the 12 million figure.
[snip]
Answering your other questions will require more research than I have
the time to do right now. Of course nobody is stopping you from doing a
little research of your own, but I get the sense you're not really
interested in doing that.
--
Mike Stein The above represents the Absolute Truth.
POB 10420 Therefore it cannot possibly be the official
Arlington, VA 22210 position of my employer.
Anthony Sabatini
Dene Bebbington <de...@bebbo.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
<ZlVZcXDP...@bebbo.demon.co.uk>...
> Anthony Sabatini <anth...@infobahnos.com> wrote:
> >It seems that more than one person here has claimed that the Holocaust death
> >'missing' after the war was subtracted from the number before the war and
> >voila, 12 million people is had.
> >
> >support this theory, the standard answer is that the Almanac's numbers are
> >wrong, that these values were arrived at by analyzing population growth and
> >then estimating the actual number of people in those areas alive.
>
> Sorry, but someone (John Morris, IIRC) recently posted an article about
> the World Almanac which showed that your assertion is essentially false.
What "assertion" am I making here that "is essentially false"? I am only
repeating what many Holocaust promoters have told us about how the numbers were
arrived at. If you have a problem with that, please take it up with them.
It was John Morris who claims the World Almanac numbers were wrong. This is
what led me to post this. Since it has always been claimed that the Holocaust
death toll came from population analysis, and now we find that the World
Almanac's data was wrong, what is the source for the 12 million (or even 6
million) figure?
[.sig snipped]
Michael
On 19 May 1997 02:00:16 GMT, ya...@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>> "Anthony Sabatini" <anth...@infobahnos.com> writes:
>
>> However, when presented with data from the World Almanac, which does not
>> support this theory, the standard answer is that the Almanac's numbers are
>> wrong, that these values were arrived at by analyzing population growth and
>> then estimating the actual number of people in those areas alive.
>
> Yes. Those numbers do not agree with any other source. When queried it turns
>out that no effort was made by the World Almanac to adjust for the Holocaust.
Maybe they didn't adjust the numbers to reflect something that didn't
happen the way you think it happened.
Anyway:
World Almanac, 1940, pg. 129: World Jewish Population- 15,319,359
World Almanac, 1949, pg. 289: World Jewish Population- 15,713,638
World Almanac, 1996, pg. 646: World Jewish Population- 14,117,000
or
Meyers Handlexicon, Germany 1921 - 11,600,000
National Council of Churches 1930 - 15,600 ,000
American Jewish Committee Bureau of the Synagoge Council, 1939 -
15,600,000
World Almanac USA 1947 - 15,690,000
Statistical Handbook of Council of Churches USA 1951 - 15,300,000
Ahh, no adjustment necessary. I would think that you would be
relieved to know that not as many jews died as you thought.
>> So how, then, was this fabled "12 million" figure arrived at? If population
>> analysis for the time period was wrong, what data was used to come up with "12
>> million"?
>
>
> No one has stated that population analysis for that time period is wrong. What
>was stated is that it was not utilized by the World Almanac.
Nizkor Tap Dance
See above
>> Can someone provide a per camp figure for the number of deaths?
>
> Yes. Rietlinger did.
As reliable as tarot cards.
>
> --YFE
Hilarious word combinations with those initials not posted.
natio...@juno.com
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John Morris
In <33862973...@news.pnet.net>, natio...@juno.com (Michael)
wrote:
>On 19 May 1997 02:00:16 GMT, ya...@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
>>> "Anthony Sabatini" <anth...@infobahnos.com> writes:
>>
>>> However, when presented with data from the World Almanac, which does not
>>> support this theory, the standard answer is that the Almanac's numbers are
>>> wrong, that these values were arrived at by analyzing population growth and
>>> then estimating the actual number of people in those areas alive.
>>
>> Yes. Those numbers do not agree with any other source. When queried it turns
>>out that no effort was made by the World Almanac to adjust for the Holocaust.
>
>Maybe they didn't adjust the numbers to reflect something that didn't
>happen the way you think it happened.
>Anyway:
>
>World Almanac, 1940, pg. 129: World Jewish Population- 15,319,359
>World Almanac, 1949, pg. 289: World Jewish Population- 15,713,638
>World Almanac, 1996, pg. 646: World Jewish Population- 14,117,000
Oh look! Here are the World Almanac numbers again.
Michael, somebody was asking about this on alt.revisionism just last
week, so I photocopied the relevant pages from the World Almanacs.
Didi you know that the numbers you are posting do not appear in the
World Almanac? Have you ever questioned why your sources might have
falsified these numbers?
The University of Alberta library has the World Almanac issues for the
pertinent period for 1941, 1944, 1947, 1948, and 1949. The figures
listed for total world Jewish population are as follows:
1941 15,748,091
1944 15,192,089
1947 15,688,259
1948 15,688,259
1949 11,266,600
Now you may be wondering what happened to all those Jews in 1948-49.
As it happens, no fresh estimates were made between 1938 and 1947. The
figures listed for 1941, 1947, and 1948 are identified as estimates
made in 1938. The source for the estimate for 1944 is not given, and
the numbers are listed differently than in other years. In 1944, the
numbers are given as a part of a list of various world religions
rather than standing on their own with a country-by-country breakdown
as in the other years.
Only in 1949 are postwar estimates employed, the figures given are for
estimates made in 1948. A year or two lag seems to be common for
various other population estimates given by the World Almanac.
The difference between the 1938 and 1948 figures is thus 4,481,491.
In 1949, however, the World Almanac gives a revised 1939 population of
16,643,120 giving a difference of between 1938 and 1947 of 5,376,520.
Where the extra population between 1938 and 1939 came from is not
cited, though one might speculate that it was based upon the Nazi
estimates made in 1942.
Despite the apparent exactness of the numbers listed, the World
Almanac warns that all numbers listed are estimates.
If you don't believe me, prove me wrong by looking up the numbers for
yourself rather than relying on the lies your masters tell you.
--
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Scripture veteris capiunt exempla futuri>
--
The Nizkor Project | http://www.nizkor.org/
Michael
On Wed, 21 May 1997 07:02:54 GMT, John....@UAlberta.CA (John
Morris) wrote:
>In <33862973...@news.pnet.net>, natio...@juno.com (Michael)
>wrote:
>
>>On 19 May 1997 02:00:16 GMT, ya...@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>>
>>>> "Anthony Sabatini" <anth...@infobahnos.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> However, when presented with data from the World Almanac, which does not
>>>> support this theory, the standard answer is that the Almanac's numbers are
>>>> wrong, that these values were arrived at by analyzing population growth and
>>>> then estimating the actual number of people in those areas alive.
>>>
>>> Yes. Those numbers do not agree with any other source. When queried it turns
>>>out that no effort was made by the World Almanac to adjust for the Holocaust.
>>
>>Maybe they didn't adjust the numbers to reflect something that didn't
>>happen the way you think it happened.
>>Anyway:
>>
>>World Almanac, 1940, pg. 129: World Jewish Population- 15,319,359
>>World Almanac, 1949, pg. 289: World Jewish Population- 15,713,638
>>World Almanac, 1996, pg. 646: World Jewish Population- 14,117,000
>
>Oh look! Here are the World Almanac numbers again.
See below
One could also "speculate" that there were other reasons as well.
>Despite the apparent exactness of the numbers listed, the World
>Almanac warns that all numbers listed are estimates.
>
>If you don't believe me, prove me wrong by looking up the numbers for
>yourself rather than relying on the lies your masters tell you.
>
>--
> John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
> at University of Alberta <Scripture veteris capiunt exempla futuri>
>--
I'll check that out John. You are awfully quick to use terms like
'falsified', 'lies' and 'masters'. Gee, if I didn't know better I
would have to think that you aren't so intellectually honest. BTW: you
made no mention of these figures so I'll repost them and you can
comment.
Meyers Handlexicon, Germany 1921 - 11,600,000
National Council of Churches 1930 - 15,600 ,000
American Jewish Committee Bureau of the Synagoge Council, 1939 -
15,600,000
World Almanac USA 1947 - 15,690,000
Statistical Handbook of Council of Churches USA 1951 - 15,300,000
Those 1939 and 1951 figures are interesting aren't they? BTW why did
you leave these out in your reply? They were in my original.
Compare the 1951 "Council of Churches" figures with WA's '47's
figures, uh, estimates. Hmn.
Dene Bebbington
Anthony Sabatini <anth...@infobahnos.com> wrote:
>Dene Bebbington <de...@bebbo.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
><ZlVZcXDP...@bebbo.demon.co.uk>...
>> Anthony Sabatini <anth...@infobahnos.com> wrote:
>> >It seems that more than one person here has claimed that the Holocaust death
>> >toll was reached by population analysis. That is, the number of people
>> >'missing' after the war was subtracted from the number before the war and
>> >voila, 12 million people is had.
>> >
>> >support this theory, the standard answer is that the Almanac's numbers are
>> >wrong, that these values were arrived at by analyzing population growth and
>> >then estimating the actual number of people in those areas alive.
>>
>> the World Almanac which showed that your assertion is essentially false.
>
>What "assertion" am I making here that "is essentially false"?
The assertion that:
"However, when presented with data from the World Almanac, which does
not support this theory"
Since the 12 million figure is both Jewish and non-Jewish victims then
your assertion that the World Almanac doesn't support this theory is
essentially false.
> I am only
>repeating what many Holocaust promoters have told us about how the numbers were
>arrived at. If you have a problem with that, please take it up with them.
I'm taking up with you the problem that you've misunderstood the issue,
12 million is the Jewish and non-Jewish estimate, the World Almanac
figures cited are only for Jewish populations. Comprehend?
>It was John Morris who claims the World Almanac numbers were wrong. This is
>what led me to post this. Since it has always been claimed that the Holocaust
>death toll came from population analysis, and now we find that the World
>Almanac's data was wrong, what is the source for the 12 million (or even 6
>million) figure?
Sigh.
--
Dene Bebbington
"I mean, who would have noticed | "It is impossible to enjoy idling
another madman around here?!" | thoroughly unless one has plenty
- Blackadder | of work to do." - Jerome K Jerome
John Morris
In <01bc6575$6b796c70$4c0bcdcd@odin>, "Anthony Sabatini"
<anth...@infobahnos.com> wrote:
>Dene Bebbington <de...@bebbo.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
><ZlVZcXDP...@bebbo.demon.co.uk>...
>> Anthony Sabatini <anth...@infobahnos.com> wrote:
>> >It seems that more than one person here has claimed that the Holocaust death
>> >toll was reached by population analysis. That is, the number of people
>> >'missing' after the war was subtracted from the number before the war and
>> >voila, 12 million people is had.
>> >However, when presented with data from the World Almanac, which does not
>> >support this theory, the standard answer is that the Almanac's numbers are
>> >wrong, that these values were arrived at by analyzing population growth and
>> >then estimating the actual number of people in those areas alive.
>> Sorry, but someone (John Morris, IIRC) recently posted an article about
>> the World Almanac which showed that your assertion is essentially false.
>What "assertion" am I making here that "is essentially false"? I am only
>repeating what many Holocaust promoters have told us about how the numbers were
>arrived at. If you have a problem with that, please take it up with them.
>It was John Morris who claims the World Almanac numbers were wrong.
That is not what I claimed.
> This is
>what led me to post this. Since it has always been claimed that the Holocaust
>death toll came from population analysis, and now we find that the World
>Almanac's data was wrong, what is the source for the 12 million (or even 6
>million) figure?
If you would read more carefully instead of shooting off your mouth,
you might find that I did not claim that the World Alamanac figures
were wrong. Falsified figures were posted. I corrected them. The
actual figures cited in the World Almanac show a population decline
for Jews of over 5 million.
Here are the figures from the World Almanac yet again. See if you can
misunderstand them yet again.
The University of Alberta library has the World Almanac issues for the
pertinent period for 1941, 1944, 1947, 1948, and 1949. The figures
listed for total world Jewish population are as follows:
1941 15,748,091
1944 15,192,089
1947 15,688,259
1948 15,688,259
1949 11,266,600
Now you may be wondering what happened to all those Jews in 1948-49.
No fresh estimates were made between 1938 and 1947. The figures listed
for 1941, 1947, and 1948 are identified as estimates made in 1938. The
source for the estimate for 1944 is not given, and the numbers are
listed differently than in other years. In 1944, the numbers are given
as a part of a list of various world religions rather than standing on
their own with a country-by-country breakdown as in the other years.
Only in 1949 are postwar estimates employed, the figures given are for
estimates made in 1948. A year or two lag seems to be common for
various other population estimates given by the World Almanac.
The difference between the 1938 and 1948 figures is thus 4,481,491.
In 1949, however, the World Almanac gives a 1939 population of
16,643,120 giving a difference of between 1938 and 1947 of 5,376,520.
Despite the apparent exactness of the numbers listed, the World
Almanac warns that all numbers listed are estimates.
--
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Scripture veteris capiunt exempla futuri>
--
John Morris
In <3389144c....@news.pnet.net>, natio...@juno.com (Michael)
wrote:
[re: falsified World Alamanc figures]
>I'll check that out John. You are awfully quick to use terms like
>'falsified', 'lies' and 'masters'. Gee, if I didn't know better I
>would have to think that you aren't so intellectually honest.
If you think I am being dishonest in any way, please check the figures
for yourself.
"Falsified" simply means that the figures are false. Your leaders at
the NA should know better. They are liars.
> BTW: you
>made no mention of these figures so I'll repost them and you can
>comment.
I have no comment on these other figures, because I haven't checked
them for myself.
Michael
On Thu, 22 May 1997 03:37:27 GMT, John....@UAlberta.CA (John
Morris) wrote:
>In <3389144c....@news.pnet.net>, natio...@juno.com (Michael)
>wrote:
>
>[re: falsified World Alamanc figures]
We'll just take a look at that 'falsified' crack here in a second.
>>I'll check that out John. You are awfully quick to use terms like
>>'falsified', 'lies' and 'masters'. Gee, if I didn't know better I
>>would have to think that you aren't so intellectually honest.
>
>If you think I am being dishonest in any way, please check the figures
>for yourself.
>
>"Falsified" simply means that the figures are false.
Uh, no john. It means "to make false"-Merriam-Webster Dictionary
(pocket) You know, like 'with intent'.
It is your Nizkor tap dancing that makes me question your honesty. And
things like:
> Your leaders at
>the NA should know better. They are liars.
See if I don't answer things like "your leaders" your Bnai Brith
Nizkor cronies will yank out of their archives in 2 years this
particular post and say something like:
" Isn't it true that during a dialog about 'your leaders' at the NA
you utterly failed to deny that they were, in fact, 'your leaders'."?
That is how you and your pals at Nizkor work. That is the methodology
of your smears and lies. That sounds like a technique used in
espionage circles to defame political enemies, doesn't it John? And
since we Know that the Israeli spy agency, the "Mossad", uses and has
used Bnai Brith (under the auspices of which, Nizkor operates); to
smear people and gather information for their operations; (See "By Way
of Deception" by Victor Ostrovsky, former Mossad operative); a person
would really be justified in exercising caution when dealing with
Nizkor.
And in view of the fact that you only posted 1 of 2 tables of figures
and gave no mention to the 2nd table and built an entire cock-crowing
post on half of my post............. well let the reader decide.
>> BTW: you
>>made no mention of these figures so I'll repost them and you can
>>comment.
>
>I have no comment on these other figures, because I haven't checked
>them for myself.
You could have said "Yeh, I know I left them out and only concentrated
on the World Almanac stuff."
Now you start behaving 'lil Johnny or I'll give you a verbal thrashing
that will send you running home to mommy!
>--
> John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
> at University of Alberta <Scripture veteris capiunt exempla futuri>
>--
Michael P. Stein
In article <33ace330....@news.pnet.net>,
Michael <natio...@juno.com> wrote:
>And
>since we Know that the Israeli spy agency, the "Mossad", uses and has
>used Bnai Brith (under the auspices of which, Nizkor operates)
The Nizkor Project was founded by Ken McVay, who worked for years
entirely on his own time. As the result of the campaigning of someone who
took an interest in Ken's work (who does not want to be named; while I
don't know if he's a B'nai B'rith member, he is definitely not a full-time
BB employee) Ken came to the attention of the media, and some financial
support came in from a number of parties. I don't know if BB provided any
funding at all; I do know that large chunks of the funding did NOT come
from there.
As you could tell from the Nizkor web page, Nizkor's funding in Canada
is now coordinated through the Zikaron Tolerance and Remembrance Society,
an independent organization. In the United States, it is channeled
through the Nizkor Fund of the San Antonio Area Foundation, which is a San
Antonio umbrella organization something like the United Way.
Claiming that Nizkor is under the ausipices of BB is not at all
libelous. But it is false to the best of my knowledge and belief. So if
you have any evidence to back up that statement, I'd be most interested to
hear it. The reason I am making an issue of it is that I find negligence
with facts troubling - especially from people who claim that the purpose
of their enterprise is to give a more careful and accurate reading of
history. I just worry about sloppiness in one area repeating itself in
the more important area. I hope you can appreciate my concern.
Posted/emailed.
Michael
On 22 May 1997 04:49:34 -0400, mst...@access1.digex.net (Michael P.
Stein) wrote:
You (and every White American) very definitely need to read "By Way of
Deception" by Victor Ostrovsky. Then read "The Other Side of
Deception" by the same author, a former Mossad operative.
Michael
Forgot. Simple search(there's a lot more but this will do for now)
Noticed you said the funding is " 'now' coordinated...."
Watch yourself. Shell games are not infalliable.
"...........like United Way" You ol' homeboy, you are "really
concerned"?
Nizkor Funding
URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/funding.html
Summary: Please make your donations payable to League for Human Rights
of B'nai Brith Canada ...with the cheque's memo including "Nizkor
Project". ). In the United States, donations in support of the Project
should be made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
and should be mailed to San Antonio Area Foundation.
Excite Search---Search: "nizkor"
Oh and before you huff and puff about changes and going to the Nizkook
site and they'll tell you this and that and blah, blah, blah and bnai
brith abandoned us(so we thought we'd set up this shell
non-profit--what's the filing fee in Canada, anyway?) just remember
you guys tried to lecture me about "electronic footprints" and now
you are about to get a lecture on "paper footprints" Now put that in
your archive and stuff it.
Nothing went by in your post Mr. Stein, nothing. You started out in
our dialogs as 'independent' but distant. Seems to be closing.
Michael
On 22 May 1997 16:38:40 GMT, kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Ken McVay)
wrote:
>In article <5m11au$4...@access1.digex.net>, mst...@access.digex.net wrote:
>
>> As you could tell from the Nizkor web page, Nizkor's funding in Canada
>>is now coordinated through the Zikaron Tolerance and Remembrance Society,
>>an independent organization. In the United States, it is channeled
>>through the Nizkor Fund of the San Antonio Area Foundation, which is a San
>>Antonio umbrella organization something like the United Way.
>
>Zikaron remains a supporter of the Nizkor Project, but Canaidan
>_national_ funding is now managed by the B'nai Brith Foundation, in
>Toronto. B'nai Brith Foundation does not, however, support Nizkor
>financially - it simply receives donations from the public, issues
>receipts if the donations exceed $10, and disperses donated funds as
>required.
>
>In short, the B'nai Brith Foundation operates exactly as does the San
>Antonio Area Foundation - as an umbrella organization dealing with
>human rights organizations like Nizkor.
>
>> Claiming that Nizkor is under the ausipices of BB is not at all
>>libelous. But it is false to the best of my knowledge and belief. So if
>>you have any evidence to back up that statement, I'd be most interested to
>>hear it. The reason I am making an issue of it is that I find negligence
>>with facts troubling - especially from people who claim that the purpose
>>of their enterprise is to give a more careful and accurate reading of
>>history. I just worry about sloppiness in one area repeating itself in
>>the more important area. I hope you can appreciate my concern.
>
>The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada, and B'nai Brith
>Foundation, have no role in the management or operation of The
>Nizkor Project. Management and operation of The Nizkor Project are
>the joint responsibility of myself (management, policy) and Jamie
>McCarthy (management, operations), period. In addition, we both seek
>and consider advice from a broad group of volunteers - yourself, for
>instance.
>
>The change from Zikaron to the Nizkor Fund of the B'nai Brith
>Foundation was a recent one, but it is clearly spelled out on
>Nizkor's funding page. Zikaron's mandate, like that of B'nai Brith
>Foundation, is broadly based, and certainly not limited to my
>project. Zikaron continues to accept donations for the Nizkor
>Project, and has been invaluable as a partner - they simply do not
>offer the wide, national, base of the B'nai Brith Foundation.
>
>The question I alwayzs ask when our funding partners are discussed
>hasn't changed: How does the management of our funding affect the
>validity of our data?
>
>Frankly, I am gratified when Nizkor's data is attacked on the basis
>of our funding partners - it is a clear indication that Holocaust
>deniers would rather not deal with the convergeance ofdata which
>defines the event.
>
>Posted and emailed.
>
>--
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>kmc...@nizkor.org |---------------------------------------------
>--------------------| An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
>International Military Tribunal: http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/imt/
That's a Yes, right?
The Obedient Goyim
>>since we Know that the Israeli spy agency, the "Mossad", uses and has
>>used Bnai Brith (under the auspices of which, Nizkor operates)
>
> The Nizkor Project was founded by Ken McVay, who worked for years
>entirely on his own time. As the result of the campaigning of someone who
>took an interest in Ken's work (who does not want to be named; while I
>don't know if he's a B'nai B'rith member, he is definitely not a full-time
>BB employee) Ken came to the attention of the media, and some financial
>support came in from a number of parties. I don't know if BB provided any
>funding at all; I do know that large chunks of the funding did NOT come
>from there.
>
>is now coordinated through the Zikaron Tolerance and Remembrance Society,
>an independent organization. In the United States, it is channeled
>through the Nizkor Fund of the San Antonio Area Foundation, which is a San
>Antonio umbrella organization something like the United Way.
Once again, they are crowing to themselves about how stupid the Goyim
are...
Ken McVay
> As you could tell from the Nizkor web page, Nizkor's funding in Canada
>is now coordinated through the Zikaron Tolerance and Remembrance Society,
>an independent organization. In the United States, it is channeled
>through the Nizkor Fund of the San Antonio Area Foundation, which is a San
>Antonio umbrella organization something like the United Way.
Zikaron remains a supporter of the Nizkor Project, but Canaidan
Brian Smith
natio...@juno.com (Michael) wrote:
>On 22 May 1997 04:49:34 -0400, mst...@access1.digex.net (Michael P.
>Stein) wrote:
>>In article <33ace330....@news.pnet.net>,
>>Michael <natio...@juno.com> wrote:
>> Claiming that Nizkor is under the ausipices of BB is not at all
>>libelous.
Gee thanks, Mike Stein. Does this mean you won't sue me?
>>But it is false to the best of my knowledge and belief. So if
>>you have any evidence to back up that statement, I'd be most interested to
>>hear it. The reason I am making an issue of it is that I find negligence
>>with facts troubling - especially from people who claim that the purpose
>>of their enterprise is to give a more careful and accurate reading of
>>history. I just worry about sloppiness in one area repeating itself in
>>the more important area.
Yeah, yeah. Well, I worry far more about an international Jewish
drive to outlaw any free and open dissent to a hoax of titanic deceit
that is being used by a wealthy, influential, notorious opportunistic
and hateful minority for political advantage. In every Aryan country
the Jew works to undermine freedom to oppose his lies.
[Michael wrote:
>Forgot. Simple search(there's a lot more but this will do for now)
>Noticed you said the funding is " 'now' coordinated...."
>Watch yourself. Shell games are not infalliable.
>"...........like United Way" You ol' homeboy, you are "really
>concerned"?
Are the Jews organized? Would Jew-funded Nizkor refuse to cooperate
with an ADL "request" for a little "smear-info" from Nizkor's
extensive archives it has compiled to "monitor" the politically
incorrect, Big-Brother style? Ponder that question with the following
in mind:
"Federation played a major part in Jewish life throughout the world.
There is a federation in every community of the world where there is
a substantial number of Jews. Today there is a central movement that
is capable of mustering all of its
planning, financial and political resources within twenty-four hours,
geared to handling any particular issue.
Proportionately, we have more power than any other comparable group,
far beyond our numbers. The reason is that we are probably the most
well organized minority in the world."
(Nat Rosenberg, Denver Allied Jewish Federation, International
Jewish News, January 30, 1976)
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website
http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html
http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving
http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust
http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz
http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball)
http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute
http://www.codoh.com/rudolf/rudreport/rudreport.html
Brian Smith
http://www.natall.com
"A civilization which tolerates the existence of Kaplan and his filthy
business should be burned to the ground." I said. "We should make
a bonfire of the whole thing and then start over fresh "
_The Turner Diaries_. p. 85
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Michael
On 22 May 1997 23:59:22 -0400, mst...@access5.digex.net (Michael P.
Stein) wrote:
>In article <338d1d57...@news.pnet.net>,
> natio...@juno.com (Michael) wrote:
>>
>> On 22 May 1997 04:49:34 -0400, mst...@access1.digex.net (Michael P.
>> Stein) wrote:
>>
>
>[...]
>
>> > Claiming that Nizkor is under the ausipices of BB is not at all
>> >libelous. But it is false to the best of my knowledge and belief. So if
>> >you have any evidence to back up that statement, I'd be most interested to
>> >hear it. The reason I am making an issue of it is that I find negligence
>> >with facts troubling - especially from people who claim that the purpose
>> >of their enterprise is to give a more careful and accurate reading of
>> >history. I just worry about sloppiness in one area repeating itself in
>> >the more important area. I hope you can appreciate my concern.
>> >
>>
>> Forgot. Simple search(there's a lot more but this will do for now)
>>
>> Noticed you said the funding is " 'now' coordinated...."
>>
>> Watch yourself. Shell games are not infalliable.
>
> Um, er, nor am I, it would seem.
>
>
>> "...........like United Way" You ol' homeboy, you are "really
>> concerned"?
>
> No, merely embarrassed - although the "United Way" remark pertained to
>the SAAF, and is accurate.
>
>
>
>> Nizkor Funding
>> URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/funding.html
>> Summary: Please make your donations payable to League for Human Rights
>> of B'nai Brith Canada ...with the cheque's memo including "Nizkor
>> Project". ). In the United States, donations in support of the Project
>> should be made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
>> and should be mailed to San Antonio Area Foundation.
>> Excite Search---Search: "nizkor"
>>
>> Oh and before you huff and puff about changes and going to the Nizkook
>> site and they'll tell you this and that and blah, blah, blah and bnai
>> brith abandoned us (so we thought we'd set up this shell
>> non-profit--what's the filing fee in Canada, anyway?)
>
> No, the situation is just the opposite - _I_ wasn't up on current
>events. According to the funding page, the "best of my knowledge" turned
>rancid on 8th April; prior to that, what I told you was true. But I
>suppose I should have taken the time to look again. Ken McVay emailed me
>this morning to tell me I screwed the pooch. The point that Nizkor is
>organizationally independent of BB does still stand, as does the American
>funding information - the B'nai Brith tie is for Canada only, and only
>pertains to the handling of donations. In _functional_ terms, it is the
>same as the relationship between Nizkor (USA) and the SAAF.
>
>
>[...]
>
>> Nothing went by in your post Mr. Stein, nothing. You started out in
>> our dialogs as 'independent' but distant. Seems to be closing.
>
> I have an association with Nizkor which I don't hide, but regular
>readers of the newsgroup know that I am still very much my own cat - I've
>pissed off some of the other Nizkor folks on occasion with public and
>private criticisms. But (as I trust you can see) when I do pull the
>occasional boner, like now, at least I try to make amends by eating my
>crow in public, same as I serve it up. :-}
>
> Posted/emailed.
>
>--
>Mike Stein The above represents the Absolute Truth.
>POB 10420 Therefore it cannot possibly be the official
>Arlington, VA 22210 position of my employer.
Your sentiments are acknowledged.
Crow ain't so bad, once in a great while.
Anthony Sabatini
Michael P. Stein <mst...@access5.digex.net> wrote in article
<5m34mq$l...@access5.digex.net>...
> In article <338d1d57...@news.pnet.net>,
> natio...@juno.com (Michael) wrote:
>
> > On 22 May 1997 04:49:34 -0400, mst...@access1.digex.net (Michael P.
> > Stein) wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > > Claiming that Nizkor is under the ausipices of BB is not at all
> > >libelous. But it is false to the best of my knowledge and belief. So if
> > >you have any evidence to back up that statement, I'd be most interested to
> > >hear it. The reason I am making an issue of it is that I find negligence
> > >with facts troubling - especially from people who claim that the purpose
> > >of their enterprise is to give a more careful and accurate reading of
> > >history. I just worry about sloppiness in one area repeating itself in
> > >the more important area. I hope you can appreciate my concern.
[...]
> The point that Nizkor is
> organizationally independent of BB does still stand, as does the American
> funding information - the B'nai Brith tie is for Canada only, and only
> pertains to the handling of donations. In _functional_ terms, it is the
> same as the relationship between Nizkor (USA) and the SAAF.
For what it's worth, here's a quote from B'nai Brith's 1996 'Audit of
Anti-Semitic Incidents':
"The League continues to monitor hate on the Internet and to propose
educational curricula and policy development to
regulate, in some way, the transmission of hateful messages. The League is
working closely with Ken McVay's Nizkor
Project (http://www.nizkor.org) through the "Holocaust and Hope" program. The
League and Nizkor have prepared a
workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist in
workshops on assist in workshops on this topic.
The creation of a B'nai web site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the
dissemination of information to counter hate
and also provides a means of reporting incidents directly to the National
Office."
The full "report", such that it is -- I am working on a 'review' of it -- is
available at:
http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/orgs/canadian/league-for-human-rights/audits/i
ncident-audit.1996
So, no, it has not been proven whether or not that "Nizkor is under the
ausipices of [B'nai B'rith]", but the two are certainly "working closely"
together. And since B'nai B'rith is indeed in favor of suppressing the Internet
through censorship, any reasonable person can only wonder where Nizkor's
allegiances truly lie...
[snip]
Al Aab
nizkor tolerant ?!
didn't nizkor web page attack marlon brando for mentioning kikes and
zion-controlled hollywood ?
viva zog
terrorist gangZ, stern + zvei leomi + haganah,
whipped hi british officialZ in public squareZ ?
all judgeZ @Adolf Eichmann Trial, jewZ ?
CHOZEN HEBREW FUNDAMETALIST ASSASSIN EMPIRE
IZRAEL ?
assassinated lord moen ?
bombed king david hotel, killing many british ?
assassinated second UN secretary, count bernadot ?
used napalm, cholera germZ ?
would use nuclear bombZ ?
khan youniZ commander ethnic cleanser became israel prime minister ?
shatila khan younis
ZION DOCTORZ, DENTISTZ, XRAY TECHIEZ, LAWYERZ, LANDOLORDZ, ...
SPY+MALPRACTICE ON ARABZ+POLEZ+CHINEZE+ ?
SOME PROFESSIONZ 90% ZION ?
THERE R LAWZ MADE BY ZION FOR ZION, E.G. HATE LAWZ
next century, zionz will be lesZ under(fed dressed handed cover) ?
christianz will be more ?
best scientistz, cryptologistz zionz ?
satelliteZ, telephoneZ, internet monitored by zion ?
zion spieZ on usa+world
next century, the west will have signZ:
ZIONESSEZ + KIKEZ ONLY ?
NO DOGZ OR DIRTY CHRISTIANZ ?
HEIL ZION ?
DAVID'Z STAR ?
JESUZ KILLED JEWZ ?
CHOZEN INHERIT EARTH + MOON + ?
HEBREW WILL BE THE FIRST USA LANGUAGE ?
USA PRESIDENTZ WILL BE ZIONZ ?
USA PRESIDENTZ, BRITISH QUEENZ, popeZ, .. WILL SWEAR ALLEGIANCE 2
ISRAEL ?
USA FLAG WILL BE STRANGELED WITH 50 STARZ
OF
DAVID ?
go f your kike ?
The Obedient Goyim
(hag...@cais.com) wrote:
: On 22 May 1997 04:49:34 -0400, mst...@access1.digex.net (Michael P.
: Stein) wrote:
: >Michael <natio...@juno.com> wrote:
: >>since we Know that the Israeli spy agency, the "Mossad", uses and has
: >>used Bnai Brith (under the auspices of which, Nizkor operates)
: >
: > The Nizkor Project was founded by Ken McVay, who worked for years
: >entirely on his own time. As the result of the campaigning of someone who
: >took an interest in Ken's work (who does not want to be named; while I
: >don't know if he's a B'nai B'rith member, he is definitely not a full-time
: >BB employee) Ken came to the attention of the media, and some financial
: >support came in from a number of parties. I don't know if BB provided any
: >funding at all; I do know that large chunks of the funding did NOT come
: >from there.
: >
: > As you could tell from the Nizkor web page, Nizkor's funding in Canada
: >is now coordinated through the Zikaron Tolerance and Remembrance Society,
: >an independent organization. In the United States, it is channeled
: >through the Nizkor Fund of the San Antonio Area Foundation, which is a San
: >Antonio umbrella organization something like the United Way.
: Once again, they are crowing to themselves about how stupid the Goyim
: are...
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Annie Alpert
Al Aab wrote:
>
> nizkor tolerant ?!
> didn't nizkor web page attack marlon brando for mentioning kikes and
> zion-controlled hollywood ?
anti-zionist rants snipped except for this:
> go f your kike ?
>
You appear to be new on alt.revisionism, but I don't see the need to cut
you slack as a newbie. I think this type of scatlogical insult is
completely inappropriate ANYWHERE on the internet, but especially in a
ng for discussion of the Holocaust. If oyu want to flame Israel, please
go to a ng for discussing Israel like alt.politics.mideast.
Your Marlon Brando comment, BTW is without basis in fact. The Nizkor
database contains other people's comments, but does not make editorial
comments itself. In fact, what _I_ found when I searched Nizkor for
"Marlon Brando" was a Reuter's article about it
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/brando.marlon/apology-for-cnn-remark
and newsgroup articles from Giwer, BOK, Moran, Baron and Huber (all
Holocaust "revisionists") criticizing Jews for 'making' Brando
apologize. If the future, if you wish to participate in this discussion,
please do a little research first.
posted and emailed
Morgan Peterson
In article <EAoCzJ.I3...@torfree.net>, af...@torfree.net (Al Aab) wrote:
>nizkor tolerant ?!
>
>didn't nizkor web page attack marlon brando for mentioning kikes and
>zion-controlled hollywood ?
did it now? which URL from nizkor shows this attack upon brando?
would you mind terribly letting us know, so we can see this for ourselves?
(hey, you wouldn't lie about a thing like that, would you?)
--
Morgan the Maudlin. Fryer of Iguanas, Tester of Toads
Pesto Protectorate, Hamilton, Ontario
Anthony Sabatini
Keith Morrison <lone...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in article
<3386B7...@nbnet.nb.ca>...
> Anthony Sabatini wrote:
>
> > So, no, it has not been proven whether or not that "Nizkor is under the
> > ausipices of [B'nai B'rith]", but the two are certainly "working closely"
> > together. And since B'nai B'rith is indeed in favor of suppressing the
Internet
> > through censorship, any reasonable person can only wonder where Nizkor's
> > allegiances truly lie...
>
> in print, radio and television as well as in front of a Parliamentary
> committee stating uncategorically that he, and Nizkor, is opposed to
> censorship on the Internet. We have people associated with Nizkor
> writing public letters stating their opposition to censorship to
> entities such as the CHRC.
>
> What do you think?
First, let's start by restoring the quote from B'nai Brith's 1996 'Audit of
Anti-Semitic Incidents' that you snipped:
"The League continues to monitor hate on the Internet and to propose
educational curricula and policy development to regulate, in some way, the
transmission of hateful messages. The League is
working closely with Ken McVay's Nizkor Project (http://www.nizkor.org) through
the "Holocaust and Hope" program. The League and Nizkor have prepared a
workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist in
workshops on assist in workshops on this topic. The creation of a B'nai web
site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the dissemination of information to
counter hate
and also provides a means of reporting incidents directly to the National
Office."
We now have evidence that Nizkor and B'nai B'rith are "working closely"
together. I am certain we all agree with this.
We also know that B'nai B'rith wants to impose draconian censorship laws to
"counter hate" (i.e., anything _they_ find distasteful) on the Internet.
Now, put two and two together and we have grounds for doubt. Only doubt. May I
remind you that I clearly stated, "it has NOT been proven whether or not that
'Nizkor is under the ausipices of [B'nai B'rith]'" (emphasis added). I have
made no accusation, per se. Only that the _possibility_ exists. When I have
further evidence (either way), I'll be sure to post it here. Until then, 'nuff
said.
> Or like Tom Moran are you gifted with psychic
> abilities that allow you to discern that what a person says is not
> really what they mean?
Funny. This question may be equally applied to certain other posters here on
the 'other side'... The irony is sometimes...staggering.
[.sig snipped]
PS. Thanks for the civil post, Keith.
Fergus McClelland
Annie Alpert <mias...@intac.com> wrote:
>Al Aab wrote:
>>
snips
A. Alpert:
>anti-zionist rants snipped except for this:
>> go f your kike ?
>>
>You appear to be new on alt.revisionism, but I don't see the need to cut
>you slack as a newbie. I think this type of scatlogical insult is
>completely inappropriate ANYWHERE on the internet,
I completely agree with you Mrs Alpert. Will you now say the same to
Mark Van Alstine and various others of the Nizkor persuasion when they
do the same? I hope you don't mind if I quote you from time to time?
Selectively of course.
>but especially in a
>ng for discussion of the Holocaust.
Agreed.
Fergus McClelland
Ken P
In article <5m1sqg$rse$1...@eclipse.txdirect.net>, kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Ken
McVay) wrote:
>Zikaron remains a supporter of the Nizkor Project, but Canaidan
>_national_ funding is now managed by the B'nai Brith Foundation, in
>Toronto. B'nai Brith Foundation does not, however, support Nizkor
>financially - it simply receives donations from the public, issues
>receipts if the donations exceed $10, and disperses donated funds as
>required.
>
>In short, the B'nai Brith Foundation operates exactly as does the San
>Antonio Area Foundation - as an umbrella organization dealing with
>human rights organizations like Nizkor.
It would not appear to be very difficult, given the above, for a reasonably
skilled B'nai Brith accountant to arrange the transfer of funds to Nizkor
Project.
>The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada, and B'nai Brith
>Foundation, have no role in the management or operation of The
>Nizkor Project.
Knowledge of which side one's bread is buttered on has been known to affect
managerial operations.
>Frankly, I am gratified when Nizkor's data is attacked on the basis
>of our funding partners - it is a clear indication that Holocaust
>deniers would rather not deal with the convergeance ofdata which
>defines the event.
I don't see that there is a shortage of substantive dissent here on Holocaust
orthodoxy. However, the analysis of Nizkor's funding might lead to an
understanding of why Nizkor would bother to attempt to sustain a historical
fraud.
Ken P.
Question authority
>Posted and emailed.
Posted and emailed
Roger Hughes
In message <01bc6856$08e87720$90a2cdcd@odin> - "Anthony Sabatini"
<anth...@infobahnos.com> writes:
:>:>First, let's start by restoring the quote from B'nai Brith's 1996 'Audit of
:>Anti-Semitic Incidents' that you snipped:
:>
:>"The League continues to monitor hate on the Internet and to propose
:>educational curricula and policy development to regulate, in some way, the
:>transmission of hateful messages. The League is
:>working closely with Ken McVay's Nizkor Project (http://www.nizkor.org) through
:>the "Holocaust and Hope" program. The League and Nizkor have prepared a
:>workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist in
:>workshops on assist in workshops on this topic. The creation of a B'nai web
:>site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the dissemination of information to
:>counter hate and also provides a means of reporting incidents directly to the :>National Office."
:>
:>We now have evidence that Nizkor and B'nai B'rith are "working closely"
:>together. I am certain we all agree with this.
As to the Nizkor/Jewish nexus, let's recall that it was reported in a
recent ZGram that Ernst Zundel went to BC to find the esteemed Ken
McVay, only to discover the trail led to either a synogouge, or some
telephone answered by a Jew. Unfortunately, Mr. Zundel was unable to
locate McVay, since, apparently, Kenny is so far underground that he
seldom sees sunlight. Also likely was that he was so afraid to meet with
Zundel that he managed to stay one step ahead (probably with the help of
the local Jews, who were doubtless monitoring Zundel's movements the
whole time - as usual).
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Ken P
At 06:43 AM 5/26/97 -0500, you wrote:
>You wrote:
>
>>In article <5m1sqg$rse$1...@eclipse.txdirect.net>, kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org
(Ken
>>McVay) wrote:
>>>The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada, and B'nai Brith
>>>Foundation, have no role in the management or operation of The
>>>Nizkor Project.
>>
>>Knowledge of which side one's bread is buttered on has been known to affect
>>managerial operations.
>
>from donated funds, and if there are no donated funds, I do
>not get paid at all. Does it happen? Yes, it does... I
>recently went five months without receiving funds from the
>trust, simply because there was nothing there.
So you admit it. They *are* channeling money to you; it's just not as much as
you would like. But I'll bet they give you lots of praise, too. That should
count for something.
<snip>
>>>Frankly, I am gratified when Nizkor's data is attacked on the basis
>>>of our funding partners - it is a clear indication that Holocaust
>>>deniers would rather not deal with the convergeance ofdata which
>>>defines the event.
>>
>>I don't see that there is a shortage of substantive dissent here on
Holocaust
>>orthodoxy. However, the analysis of Nizkor's funding might lead to an
>>understanding of why Nizkor would bother to attempt to sustain a historical
>>fraud.
>
>Given that no-one has yet to substantiate any such "fraud,"
Pure obstinance.
>I find your comments doubly amusing. How terrible it must be,
>going through life seeing enemies everywhere you look. It must
>do hideous things to your mind and spririt to have to define
>yourself on the basis of your enemies. So little self-esteem,
>so much embarassed silence.
What wonderful nonsense psychology! Next, you'll be calling me by that
pseudo-psychological slur, "denier."
Ken P.
Question authority
Dene Bebbington
Maybe you could explain why Mr McVay should be around at the beckoning
of Mr Zundel? Maybe you can explain why Mr McVay should even want to
meet Mr Zundel, is it that you're trying to turn this into a personality
contest instead of an examination of history?
[advert for the NA and revisionist sites snipped]
The BOK
On Sat, 24 May 1997 10:26:58 -0400, Annie Alpert <mias...@intac.com>
wrote:
>Al Aab wrote:
>>
>> nizkor tolerant ?!
>> didn't nizkor web page attack marlon brando for mentioning kikes and
>> zion-controlled hollywood ?
>
>anti-zionist rants snipped except for this:
>> go f your kike ?
>>
>You appear to be new on alt.revisionism, but I don't see the need to cut
>you slack as a newbie. I think this type of scatlogical insult is
>completely inappropriate ANYWHERE on the internet, but especially in a
>ng for discussion of the Holocaust. If oyu want to flame Israel, please
>go to a ng for discussing Israel like alt.politics.mideast.
>
>Your Marlon Brando comment, BTW is without basis in fact. The Nizkor
>database contains other people's comments, but does not make editorial
>comments itself. In fact, what _I_ found when I searched Nizkor for
>"Marlon Brando" was a Reuter's article about it
>
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/brando.marlon/apology-for-cnn-remark
>
>and newsgroup articles from Giwer, BOK, Moran, Baron and Huber (all
>Holocaust "revisionists") criticizing Jews for 'making' Brando
>apologize. If the future, if you wish to participate in this discussion,
>please do a little research first.
>
>posted and emailed
Annie, again, I want to point out that I have come across Nizkooks
like yourself in everything from triangle.politics to
alt.politics.correct to misc.activism.milita, posting holocaust
related material. I know that you don't want to appear hypocritical so
please try to be consistent. Don't attack others for behavior you and
your Cultists regularly engage in.
Any luck yet getting Nizkor to pay you equal to what a male like Jamie
gets? I'm concerned that they are taking advantage of you. You really
need to stand up for yourself and get what you deserve. You lie, cheat
and misinform as good as anyone here.
Don't short change yourself.
Best Regards,
Vincent
"Our task in not to persuade a numerical majority of the American
population that we are right, but rather to build the numerical
minority whose values coincide with ours into a majority of will and
determination."
-Dr. William L. Pierce, First General Convention of the National
Alliance, Sept. 2, 1978.
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schreiber
You're absolutely right, Dene. Goyim, even shabbas goyim, lack the
ability to lie convincingly for any length of time, especially to men of
character. McVay knows it and so do his handlers. Using a shabbas-goy
front has its perils, but shrewd management can mitigate them. Smart
move.
John Morris
[snip]
This is going back a few days, but "Michael" asked me to look at a
list of Jewish population statistics. The only statistic which seemed
relevant among those not previously discussed was the 1951 estimates
contained in a book called "Statistical Handbook of Council of
Churches USA 1951."
>Meyers Handlexicon, Germany 1921 - 11,600,000
>National Council of Churches 1930 - 15,600 ,000
>American Jewish Committee Bureau of the Synagoge Council, 1939 -
>15,600,000
>World Almanac USA 1947 - 15,690,000
The World Almanac figures, as posted previously, were based on 1938
statistics. The post-Holocaust figures were first published in the
World Almanac in 1949.
>Statistical Handbook of Council of Churches USA 1951 - 15,300,000
>Those 1939 and 1951 figures are interesting aren't they?
They sure are. Unfortunately, the Library of Congress does not list a
"Statistical Handbook of the Council of Churches" for any year in any
combination of partial or whole search terms. It has all the World
Almanacs. It has hundreds of "Statistical Handbooks." Just not the
one you cite. Curious, is it not?
Since you seem to have access to this mysterious work, does the
"Statistical Handbook" indicate which year's figures are reported in
1951?
Unless you can verify the "Statistical Handbook", the numbers are
cannot be assessed. My repeated requests for verification have gone
unanswered, so perhaps you have lost interest in the question.
--
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Scripture veteris capiunt exempla futuri>
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