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Robert McElwaine

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Russia's OPERATIONAL Starwars Defense System !

In February 1992, Russian President Boris Yeltsin
proposed to the United States and the United Nations a global
defense shield (with "Starwars"-type weapons) BASED ON
RUSSIAN TECHNOLOGY.

Some people might wonder what the "backward" Russians
could possibly have that would be of value for the S.D.I.
research and development program.

The little-known TRUTH is that the Russians started
deploying an OPERATIONAL "Starwars" defense system in
September 1977, and it has greatly grown and improved since
that time. It is a SPACE TRIAD built around CHARGED PARTICLE
BEAM and NEUTRON PARTICLE BEAM WEAPONS.

In this article I will describe the Russian system as it
developed from 1977 to 1983, and give several examples of how
it was used during that period. But first I will try to
convince readers of the credibility of my main source of
information about it.

My main source is articles published in a weekly
legislative newspaper, WISCONSIN REPORT (WR), of Brookfield,
Wisconsin, (P.O. Box 45, zip 53005), written by the late Dr.
Peter David Beter, a well-respected Washington, DC attorney,
Doctor of Jurisprudence, and expert and consultant in
international law, finance, and intelligence, who received
much of his information from associates in the CIA and other
intelligence groups of other countries who disapproved of
many of the things happening or being planned behind the
scenes. They believed that at least limited public exposure
might delay and ultimately prevent the worst of those things,
such as NUCLEAR WAR and NATIONAL DICTATORSHIP, from taking
place.

Dr. Beter started appearing on local radio and TV talk
shows, but soon found himself being BANNED from them, as a
result of government THREATS to cancel broadcast licenses.
So he started producing monthly one-hour cassette tapes and
sending them to a growing list of subscribers. From June 21,
1975 until November 3, 1982 he recorded eighty (80) "Dr.
Beter Audio Letters" (AL), plus eight "Audio Books", and
three special topic tapes. On September 1, 1977, Wisconsin
Report started publishing transcripts of those Audio-Letters.

Based on information from his sources, Dr. Beter
PREDICTED the bombing of the U.S. Marines in Beirut A FULL
YEAR BEFORE IT HAPPENED, WARNING that the U.S. Pentagon and
the Israeli Mossad were CONSPIRING TO DELIBERATELY ARRANGE IT
in order to try to get Americans angry at the Arabs and
generate public support for PLANNED military action against
them, [AL #78, #79, and #80 (11-3-82).]. He reported the
impending assassination of Anwar Saddat of Egypt SIX DAYS
BEFORE IT HAPPENED, [AL #68 (9-30-81) and #69.]. And Dr.
Beter predicted what he called the "retirement" of Leonid
Brezhnev one week before Brezhnev officially "died", [Note
that the word "retirement" was used for the TERMINATION OF
REPLICANTS in the 1982 movie "Blade Runner".], and his quick
replacement with Andropov which occurred only three days
after the "death" of Brezhnev, to the surprise of all
government and media analysts, [AL #80 (11-3-82).]. He could
"predict" these events because we was INFORMED about the
PLANS to carry them out. Subscription application and
renewal forms for Dr. Beter's tapes would usually say,
"Subscribe to the Dr. Beter Audio Letter and watch the news
start making sense."

RUSSIA'S SPACE TRIAD OF STAR WARS WEAPONS

In September 1977 the Russians started launching MANNED
killer satellites, called "COSMOS INTERCEPTORS", armed with
CHARGED PARTICLE BEAM weapons, into earth orbit, [12-15-77
WR; and AL #27, Topic 1.]. By April 1978 there were about
THREE DOZEN of them, and they had FINISHED DESTROYING all
American spy and early warning satellites, [5-18-78 WR; and
AL #33, Topic 2.].

On September 27, 1977, in what Dr. Beter called "THE
BATTLE OF THE HARVEST MOON", a Cosmos Interceptor in Earth
orbit used a NEUTRON PARTICLE BEAM to wipe out a secret
American laser-beam base nearing operational status in
Copernicus Crater on the Moon, [11-3-77 WR; and AL #26, Topic
1.]. The Russians quickly deployed their own military bases
on the Moon, the second leg of their space triad, starting on
October 4, 1977, with seven EXTREMELY POWERFUL charged
particle beam weapons BASES on the near side of the Moon and
three support bases on the far side, [2-9-78 WR; and AL #29,
Topic 1.].

The first test of the Moon base weapons occurred on
November 19, 1977, ironically at about the same time as the
release of the first "Star Wars" movie with its "death star"
weapon. The Russians were aiming at the eye of a cyclone
near India. But they miscalculated the deflection of the
beam by the Earth's magnetic field, and the beam struck the
ocean too close to the shore causing a TIDAL WAVE that killed
many people, [2-9-78 WR; and AL #29, Topic 1.]. A blast of
charged particle beams from two or more of the Russian Moon
bases fired in quick succession would create the DESTRUCTIVE
EFFECT OF A HYDROGEN BOMB on its target.

The third leg of Russia's triad of space weapons is the
"COSMOSPHERES". The first-generation Cosmospheres were
weapons platforms that were ELECTRO-GRAVITIC (could hover
against gravity), ATOMIC POWERED, horizontally positioned by
rocket thrusters, somehow invisible to radar beyond about 40
miles (perhaps from a radar absorbing coating), armed with
CHARGED PARTICLE BEAM weapons (at least a hundred times less
powerful than those in the Moon bases), equipped with
"PSYCHO ENERGETIC RANGE FINDING" (PRF) which tunes in to the
actual ATOMIC SIGNATURE of a target or object and canNOT be
jammed, and some of them were also armed with microwave
BRAIN-SCRAMBLING equipment.

In late 1977 and early 1978, there was a strange rash of
giant AIR BOOMS along the east coast of the United States and
elsewhere. These air booms were NEVER satisfactorily
explained, by either the government, the scientific
establishment, or the news media. They could NOT be
positively identified with any particular Super Sonic
Transport plane (SST) or other aircraft, and indeed they were
MUCH LOUDER than aircraft sonic booms. The giant airbooms
were actually caused by Russian Cosmospheres firing CHARGED
PARTICLE BEAMS down into the atmosphere in a DEFOCUSED MODE
(spread out) for the purpose of announcing their presence to
the WARMONGERS in the United States Pentagon. [2-9-78 WR;
and AL #29, Topic 1.].

The main purpose of any "Star Wars" defense system is to
protect a country against nuclear attack. During the weekend
of January 20, 1980, Russian Cosmospheres accomplished such a
mission. A NUCLEAR FIRST STRIKE against Russia by the then
BOLSHEVIK CONTROLLED United States was being started with a
total of 82 special secret aircraft that can sneak up to a
country's shoreline under water, surface, change configura-
tion, take off, and fly at treetop level to their targets.
Dr. Beter describes part of the action in his Audio Letter
#53, recorded on January 21, 1980:

"At that point the real action got under way, in the Caspian
Sea and off northern Norway. The Subcraft, with Israeli
pilots, were on their way. They were traveling under water
on the first legs of their attack missions....

"Late Saturday night, Washington time, a coded signal was
flashed to the Subcraft to continue as planned. By that
time, the northern contingent of Subcraft were in the White
Sea. The southern contingent had reached the north end of
the Caspian Sea. It was already daylight, Sunday morning,
the 20th, for the Subcraft contingents. Their orders were to
wait out the day under water, out of sight; then, after
nightfall, they were to continue their steady approach to get
close to their targets. The Subcraft were maintaining strict
radio silence. They were also deep enough under water to be
invisible from the air to either the eye or radar, yet they
were also hugging the shoreline in water too shallow for
Russian sonar to pick them up. And their infrared signatures
were negligible as the result of extensive development. In
short, by the standards of Western technology, they were
undetectable. But in AUDIO LETTER No. 42 I revealed Russia's
master secret weapon. It is called "Psycho energetic Range
Finding" or PRF. It is unlike sonar and similar techniques.
PRF tunes in to the actual atomic signature of a target, and
there is no method known by which PRF can be jammed.

"By deploying their Navy to the Arabian Sea, the
Russians are pretending to be fooled by the Bolshevik
distraction with the aircraft carriers. In this way they
encouraged the Bolsheviks to launch the Subcraft toward their
targets. They waited until the Subcraft were far away from
their bases and out of sight of the Bolsheviks, who are
directing the American first strike operation. But the whole
time they were being tracked by Cosmospheres overhead using
PRF, and shortly after 1:00 A.M. yesterday morning Eastern
Standard Time, the Cosmospheres began firing their Charged
Particle Beam Weapons. There were 10 Subcraft in the White
Sea. Each disappeared in a blinding blue white water spout
of steam, smoke, and fire. In the north end of the Caspian
there were 19 Subcraft--they, too, met the same fate.". [2-
7-80 WR; and AL #53, Topic 3.].

The 3rd-generation Russian JUMBO COSMOSPHERES were first
deployed in April 1981, in parallel with the first U.S. Space
Shuttle mission. They significantly interfered with that
MILITARY mission, in ways which were successfully covered up
by NASA using techniques similar to those shown in the movie
"Capricorn I". [5-7-81, 5-14-81, and 5-21-81 WR; and AL #64,
Topics 1-3.].

Jumbo Cosmospheres are much larger than the 1st-
generation models, and use ELECTROMAGNETIC PROPULSION instead
of rocket thrusters to move around.

For about two years after Dr. Beter stopped recording
his Audio-Letters in November 1982 (because of heart
trouble), his distributor, Audio Books, Inc., published some
newsletters titled "NewsALERT", using information passed on
to them by Dr. Beter or received directly from his sources.
A special supplementary issue, dated March 26, 1984,
describes how Russian Jumbo Cosmospheres captured two
communication satellites right after launch from U.S. Space
Shuttle Mission #10, found anti-satellite (ASAT) missiles
mounted on one of them, and dumped both satellites into
useless orbits. NASA had fun TRYING to explain two-in-a-row
failures of a highly reliable PAM-D satellite booster.

Russia's offer to share their "Starwars" defense system
with the rest of the world might also extend to SCIENTIFIC
SPACE EXPLORATION. For example, the United States was
planning to send two unmanned flyby and sample-return space
missions to a comet. These missions would cost BILLIONS of
dollars, take twenty years from now to complete, and could
FAIL in DOZENS of ways. A Russian Jumbo Cosmosphere could
COMPLETE a MANNED version of such a mission in a matter of
MONTHS (if they have not already done so), since these
Cosmospheres can accelerate continuously.

Note that the United States has announced a deal to
purchase at least one SPACE REACTOR from Russia. Now you
know what the Russians originally developed and used them
for.


THE DR. BETER AUDIO LETTERS

ALL 80 Dr. Beter Audio Letters (about 50 KB each) and an
Overview (about 75 KB) have been digitized into ASCII by Jon
B. Volkoff at "eide...@cerf.net" (Internet email address)
and are available from him or from this web site:

http://www.etext.org/Politics/Beter.Audio.Letter .

I especially recommend Audio-Letters #64, 74, 40, 53,
54, 55, 45, 46, 47, 48, 78, 79, and 80, and the Overview.

Audio-Letter #64 is about the "STS-1 DISASTER/
/COVERUP".
Audio Letter #74 is about the "SECRET PURPOSE of the
Falklands War", and includes INVISIBILITY Technology and the
DETONATION of a Russian NEUTRON BOMB.
Audio Letter #40 is about the "MILITARY PURPOSE of
Jonestown Mass MURDER".

For more information, answers to your questions, etc.,
please consult my CITED SOURCES.

Robert E. McElwaine
B.S., Physics and Astronomy, UW-EC
http://members.aol.com/rem547 *BEST*
http://members.aol.com/rem460

P.S.: PASS IT ON !


"EVERYTHING you know is WRONG."
"The Truth IS stranger than fiction."
"The Truth is ALWAYS the FIRST CASUALTY OF WAR."
"OFFICIAL LIES are ALWAYS the BIGGEST LIES OF ALL."
"The more things change, the more they STAY THE SAME."
>
>
>

Mind Splatter

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Jun 21, 2002, 9:03:18 PM6/21/02
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Robert McElwaine wrote:

> The third leg of Russia's triad of space weapons is the
> "COSMOSPHERES". The first-generation Cosmospheres were
> weapons platforms that were ELECTRO-GRAVITIC (could hover
> against gravity), ATOMIC POWERED, horizontally positioned by
> rocket thrusters, somehow invisible to radar beyond about 40
> miles (perhaps from a radar absorbing coating), armed with
> CHARGED PARTICLE BEAM weapons (at least a hundred times less
> powerful than those in the Moon bases), equipped with
> "PSYCHO ENERGETIC RANGE FINDING" (PRF) which tunes in to the
> actual ATOMIC SIGNATURE of a target or object and canNOT be
> jammed, and some of them were also armed with microwave
> BRAIN-SCRAMBLING equipment.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Speaking of Brain Scrambling... Perhaps, Bob, you should not have
defeated the interlocks on your microwave oven and then taken the door
off.

Dan Swartzendruber

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Jun 21, 2002, 9:56:15 PM6/21/02
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In article <3D13CCD6...@net.org>, Com...@net.org says...

You idiot, that is how you prevent the martian mindcontrol rays from
taking over your mind. Jeez!

Ian Stirling

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Jun 21, 2002, 10:09:52 PM6/21/02
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In sci.space.policy Dan Swartzendruber <dsw...@druber.com> wrote:
>
> In article <3D13CCD6...@net.org>, Com...@net.org says...
>> Robert McElwaine wrote:
>>
>> > The third leg of Russia's triad of space weapons is the
>> > "COSMOSPHERES". The first-generation Cosmospheres were
<snip>

>> Speaking of Brain Scrambling... Perhaps, Bob, you should not have
>> defeated the interlocks on your microwave oven and then taken the door
>> off.
>
> You idiot, that is how you prevent the martian mindcontrol rays from
> taking over your mind. Jeez!

But it allows in the venusian ones.
Decisions decisions...

--
http://inquisitor.i.am/ | mailto:inqui...@i.am | Ian Stirling.
---------------------------+-------------------------+--------------------------
'Where subtlety fails, we must simply make do with cream pies' -- David Brin

MSu1049321

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Jun 21, 2002, 11:08:00 PM6/21/02
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Hey, it was a hoot! he had me going for a few paragraphs, because in the
russki hardware files at Encyclopedia Astronautica, there are details of an
early soviet antisat platform that was supposed to have, IIRC, a gatling gun
and missiles on it... not manned, and no inertialess drives on it, but still...
if I remember the story, it was launched, but never actually operated, ordered
shut down after the new Soviet president learned details. Between that site
and "Deep Cold .com", it's not hard to come up with lots of Clancy-esque
orbital intrigue.

Jack Ryan

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Jun 21, 2002, 10:59:17 PM6/21/02
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"Dan Swartzendruber" <dsw...@druber.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.177da3495...@news.supernews.net...
Has anyone seen Captain Scarlett? The Mysterons are on line 2.


Alan Erskine

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Jun 22, 2002, 2:39:14 AM6/22/02
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Two things about Mr McElwaine, from someone who has been on this group for
over three years:

1 You will never get a response to any of your replies, so don't bother.
Everyone here knows it's rubbish.

2 I have just sent a complaint to Google. Recommend all do the same.

Yours faithfully,

Alan Erskine
alane...@optusnet.com.au


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Jonathan Silverlight

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Jun 22, 2002, 5:41:29 AM6/22/02
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In message <af0p9h$i6...@eccws12.dearborn.ford.com>, Jack Ryan
<JA...@YAHOO.COM> writes

>
>"Dan Swartzendruber" <dsw...@druber.com> wrote in message
>news:MPG.177da3495...@news.supernews.net...
>>
>> You idiot, that is how you prevent the martian mindcontrol rays from
>> taking over your mind. Jeez!
>>
>Has anyone seen Captain Scarlett? The Mysterons are on line 2.
>

To be horribly pedantic, that's Scarlet with one T. Captain Scarlett is
a film about Napoleonic times.

Joann Evans

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Jun 22, 2002, 2:37:05 AM6/22/02
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Robert McElwaine wrote:

[much ranting snipped]

God, it's back. Unedited, unaltered, it seems. Must be the time of
year....

T.J. Swoboda

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Jun 22, 2002, 1:47:17 PM6/22/02
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"Robert McElwaine" <re...@briefcase.com> wrote in message
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...

<shrivels up self> Now witness the power, of this FULLY ARMED AND
OPERATIONAL BATTLE STATION!

--Emperor T.J.


Robert J. Kolker

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Jun 22, 2002, 3:18:14 PM6/22/02
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T.J. Swoboda wrote:


Battle Star Ex Laxica?

Bob Kolker

Black Knight

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Jun 22, 2002, 9:43:22 PM6/22/02
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Mind Splatter <Com...@net.org> wrote in message news:<3D13CCD6...@net.org>...


I suppose the whole thing is fiction. However, if it turned out to be
fact, I would not be surprised. The Soviets always made weapons and
weapons research their first priority.
Soviet equipment made for their military is normally of high quality,
while the goods they made for civilian consumption were rather shoddy.


Bruno

bayouwolf

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Jun 22, 2002, 8:18:03 PM6/22/02
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"Robert McElwaine" <re...@briefcase.com> wrote in message
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> >
>
(Flotsam deleted)

Nancy is that you?


AlanCurtis

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Jun 23, 2002, 3:31:31 AM6/23/02
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"T.J. Swoboda" <tjsw...@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:<EK2R8.1592$Kt4.6...@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com>...


Help me adjust my humor/sarcasm detector. I actually thought this
McElwaine character was doing a fine little humorous skit - until I
clicked on his link! Damn, he's serious about his rants!
(http://members.aol.com/rem547/)

m_h_burch

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Jun 23, 2002, 3:52:34 AM6/23/02
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"Black Knight" <kni...@indystart.com> wrote in message
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If there was any truth to this whatsoever, I would like you to imagine
what the political response to such actions and/or facilities would have
been in Washington. The decision makers of the time would have gone
completely nuts and would have given NASA a completely open checkbook to put
a manned station on the moon. It didn't happen - if it had, it would have
been, and still would be visible up there, not to mention the response from
Washington would have been impossible to miss, _especially_ given 20+ years
of hindsight to look back through. As a final note, if all of the US spy
satellites had been destroyed some time in the '70s or '80s, as this article
claimed elsewhere, you can be damned sure that someone would have been
looking to figure out how and why.

Matt


Joann Evans

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Jun 23, 2002, 3:04:18 AM6/23/02
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We'll forgive your seeming inexperience. This thing shows up roughly
annually (and not April Fool's Day, either)....

John Beaderstadt

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Jun 23, 2002, 8:18:49 AM6/23/02
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Black Knight wrote:

> I suppose the whole thing is fiction. However, if it turned out to be
> fact, I would not be surprised.

You're really, really new here, aren't you?

--
Beady's Seventh Law of Social Harmonics: "Before you begin, pee."

Jonathan Silverlight

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Jun 23, 2002, 9:22:54 AM6/23/02
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In message <3D1572F2...@juno.com>, Joann Evans
<gree...@juno.com> writes

Annually? I know the years seem to get shorter as we get older but it
seems more often than that :-)

Dan Swartzendruber

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Jun 23, 2002, 9:48:04 AM6/23/02
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In article <f401d8d7.02062...@posting.google.com>, a61e63
@aol.com says...

And he has been for 10+ years :(

Jorge R. Frank

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Jun 23, 2002, 11:45:06 AM6/23/02
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a61...@aol.com (AlanCurtis) wrote in
news:f401d8d7.02062...@posting.google.com:

McElwaine is one of Usenet's best-known net.kooks. He generally doesn't
get into discussions any more, preferring a "hit-and-run" posting style.
Watch out for the companion post to "Russia's OPERATIONAL Starwars Defense
Systems!!", titled "The Earth's HOLLOW Center!!"

P.S.: PASS IT ON !

:-)

--
JRF

Reply-to address spam-proofed - to reply by E-mail,
check "Organization" (I am not assimilated) and
think one step ahead of IBM.

Black Knight

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Jun 23, 2002, 1:38:27 PM6/23/02
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"m_h_burch" <Mremoveth...@sc.rr.com> wrote in message news:<67fR8.26351$fR2.2...@twister.southeast.rr.com>...


Oh, I see. You are firmly convinced that the politicians in Washington
tell us everything they know. Right? Do you remember the Iran-Contra
affair? How about Nixon's little war in Cambodia?

I was only trying to make a point about Soviet priorities and the fact
that they were very secretive about their military operations.

Bruno

jjustwwondering

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Jun 23, 2002, 1:46:14 PM6/23/02
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"Alan Erskine" <alane...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:<3d141b1a$0$31826$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>...

> Two things about Mr McElwaine, from someone who has been on this group for
> over three years:
>
> 1 You will never get a response to any of your replies, so don't bother.
> Everyone here knows it's rubbish.
>
> 2 I have just sent a complaint to Google. Recommend all do the same.
>
> Yours faithfully,
>
> Alan Erskine
> alane...@optusnet.com.au

Of course it's rubbish, but a complaint to Google?
On what grounds?

Jorge R. Frank

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Jun 23, 2002, 1:54:16 PM6/23/02
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jwasi...@hotmail.com (jjustwwondering) wrote in
news:f4bdd24.02062...@posting.google.com:

> "Alan Erskine" <alane...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:<3d141b1a$0$31826$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>...
>> Two things about Mr McElwaine, from someone who has been on this
>> group for over three years:
>>
>> 1 You will never get a response to any of your replies, so don't
>> bother. Everyone here knows it's rubbish.
>>
>> 2 I have just sent a complaint to Google. Recommend all do the
>> same.
>

> Of course it's rubbish, but a complaint to Google?
> On what grounds?

I have a hard time seeing any valid grounds, either. As net.kooks go,
McElwaine is fairly harmless, even a bit amusing.

Damon Hill

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kni...@indystart.com (Black Knight) wrote in
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> Oh, I see. You are firmly convinced that the politicians in
> Washington tell us everything they know. Right? Do you
> remember the Iran-Contra affair? How about Nixon's little
> war in Cambodia?
>
> I was only trying to make a point about Soviet priorities
> and the fact that they were very secretive about their
> military operations.

Since what McElwaine describes is physically impossible given
known and extrapolated technology, it follows that his ravings
are a complete fantasy.

If you're that willing to believe nonsense, go right ahead.
We'll make fun of you, too. We live for that kind of thing
here.

--Damon

Dan Swartzendruber

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Jun 23, 2002, 5:17:51 PM6/23/02
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In article <Xns92368B12B93B...@216.148.53.93>, damon161
@attbi.com says...

> kni...@indystart.com (Black Knight) wrote in
> news:594c8e48.02062...@posting.google.com:
>
>
>
> > Oh, I see. You are firmly convinced that the politicians in
> > Washington tell us everything they know. Right? Do you
> > remember the Iran-Contra affair? How about Nixon's little
> > war in Cambodia?
> >
> > I was only trying to make a point about Soviet priorities
> > and the fact that they were very secretive about their
> > military operations.
>
> Since what McElwaine describes is physically impossible given
> known and extrapolated technology, it follows that his ravings
> are a complete fantasy.

Since you are obviously part of the conspiracy of scientists suppressing
this information, you are hardly a credible poster here. (ducks and
runs)

Black Knight

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Jun 23, 2002, 7:05:51 PM6/23/02
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John Beaderstadt <be...@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<3D15BCA2...@mindspring.com>...

> Black Knight wrote:
>
> > I suppose the whole thing is fiction. However, if it turned out to be
> > fact, I would not be surprised.
>
> You're really, really new here, aren't you?


What difference does that make?

MSu1049321

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Jun 23, 2002, 10:39:37 PM6/23/02
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the Earth is definitly NOT hollow...


It has a crunchy nugat center.;-)

Patrick C. Flannery

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Jun 23, 2002, 11:12:31 PM6/23/02
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Damon Hill wrote:

>
>Since what McElwaine describes is physically impossible given
>known and extrapolated technology, it follows that his ravings
>are a complete fantasy.
>

OH YEAH?! Not only do those Cosmospheres exist; but there is on that
landed in Kansas and is chock full of space and military hardware that
it vacuum-cleanered up during it's predations on our airspace...not only
that, but the Red Overlords who run the thing have the absolute Commie
Nerve to charge Decent God-Fearing Americans to see what their Little
Red Space Ball has eaten in it's years of Atheistic New World Order
Avarice. Of course as the Rural Dupes stare in Slack Jawed Awe at the
wonders of this Global Village Stoogeville, they Little Note the Mind
Control Rays emanating from the imported Soviet Spacecraft Replicas that
it is also Littered With, their Minds made Ever more Sluggish and
Clotted by the Poisonous Red Fluorides with Which All Food and Water
Available In The "Museum" (Though MAUSOLEUM would be a BETTER Term;
Given It's BUILDER'S PROMISE To Bury Us Under The REEKING LOAM of RED
ENSLAVEMENT!) Is SATURATED, As They HAWK OVER Their ONCE DECENT AMERICAN
CURRENCY (Now DEBASED BY THE ROCKEFELLER'S THEFT OF ALL THE GOLD IN FORT
KNOB!!) For The VERY POISON THAT WILL BE THEIR DOOM- Little Do They
Portend The FRIGHTFUL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE HAND STAMP That EACH VISITOR
RECEIVES On ENTERING THE COMMIESPHERE!!!- THE ONE THAT REVEALS THE
NUMBER "666" AND THE PHRASE "ACID IS GROOVY " WHEN REFLECTED IN A MIRROR
DURING A SOLAR ECLIPSE!!!!!! OR REALIZE THAT THEIR " I VISITED THE
COSMOSPHERE" BASEBALL CAP HAS SOVIET SATANIC ROENTGEN RAY RECEIVER BUILT
INTO IT'S SLAVE/STOOGE SWEATBAND!!!!!!!!!!!!
MY BRAIN HURTS!!!!! IT's The RAYS AGAIN!!!!! Aluminum Foil cap on
quick....better now...

>
>
>If you're that willing to believe nonsense, go right ahead.
>We'll make fun of you, too. We live for that kind of thing
>here.
>

It may be a cesspool- But BY GOD, it's OUR cesspool!!!!

Black Knight

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Jun 23, 2002, 11:18:25 PM6/23/02
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Damon Hill <damo...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<Xns92368B12B93B...@216.148.53.93>...

Go right ahead, asshole. Find out the hard way whether I place any value
on your opinion at all.

Bruno

Damon Hill

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Jun 24, 2002, 2:53:13 AM6/24/02
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"Patrick C. Flannery" <fla...@daktel.com> ranted in
news:3D168E1F...@daktel.com:


(much diatribe deleted)

Keep up the good work, soldier. And keep that cap
on good and tight.

--Damon

Paul Blay

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Jun 24, 2002, 4:46:19 AM6/24/02
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"Jorge R. Frank" wrote ...
> jwasi...@hotmail.com (jjustwwondering) wrote ...

> > Of course it's rubbish, but a complaint to Google?
> > On what grounds?
>
> I have a hard time seeing any valid grounds, either. As net.kooks go,
> McElwaine is fairly harmless, even a bit amusing.

And he's even on topic.

Paul "especially for the last group in the list" Blay


Julian Bordas

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Jun 24, 2002, 6:28:21 AM6/24/02
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Robert McElwaine wrote:

> >

Aren't you dead?

Knut Ove Hauge

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Jun 24, 2002, 9:10:05 AM6/24/02
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"bayouwolf" <bayo...@twmi.rr.com> wrote in message news:<%s8R8.84969$Am4.22...@twister.columbus.rr.com>...

No, but the fact that 29 postings on this issue is not visible on my
news reader,
should indicate that I should have an opinion on this issue which I
where not
allowed to publish.
Of course America should build such veapons. Not because of a threat
from
Russia, but because of treat from non inhibitants of the world. And
they are here
already here to prepare an massive invation from the anti Earth. They
are posioned in leading positions around the world, and they are
verbal, intelligent and manipulating. They have infiltrated most of
the countries arond the world, and is just waiting for the day to come
where they can take over the Earth. The reason for this is because
their own planet the anti earth is becoming hotter for every year and
is now only populated at the poles.
If this sounds like science fiction you are probably not aware of the
many signs in
the time we live in. They have planted the HIV virus, carried out
mysterios
killings and kidnappings to spread their terror around the world. So
to you all
out there that believe that aliens are friendly. Well they are not.
They are in an
desperate situation and they are doing something about it.
So in my opinion you americans should build that defence system no
matter
of what it cost.

Knut Ove Hauge

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Jun 24, 2002, 9:10:10 AM6/24/02
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"bayouwolf" <bayo...@twmi.rr.com> wrote in message news:<%s8R8.84969$Am4.22...@twister.columbus.rr.com>...

No, but the fact that 29 postings on this issue is not visible on my

Knut Ove Hauge

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Jun 24, 2002, 9:10:11 AM6/24/02
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"bayouwolf" <bayo...@twmi.rr.com> wrote in message news:<%s8R8.84969$Am4.22...@twister.columbus.rr.com>...

No, but the fact that 29 postings on this issue is not visible on my

Jorge R. Frank

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Jun 24, 2002, 9:32:33 AM6/24/02
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Julian Bordas <Julian...@bigpond.com> wrote in
news:3D16F444...@bigpond.com:

> Robert McElwaine wrote:
>
>> >
>
> Aren't you dead?

Nah, you're probably thinking of Alexander Abian, the other legendary
net.kook of sci.space.*.

Knut Ove Hauge

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Jun 24, 2002, 9:42:06 AM6/24/02
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"Jorge R. Frank" <jrf...@ibm-pc.borg> wrote in message news:<Xns92366D5B...@216.166.71.230>...

> a61...@aol.com (AlanCurtis) wrote in
> news:f401d8d7.02062...@posting.google.com:
>
> > "T.J. Swoboda" <tjsw...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> > news:<EK2R8.1592$Kt4.6...@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com>...
> >> "Robert McElwaine" <re...@briefcase.com> wrote in message
> >> news:540b9a94.02062...@posting.google.com...
> >> ...
> >>
> >> <shrivels up self> Now witness the power, of this FULLY ARMED
> >> AND
> >> OPERATIONAL BATTLE STATION!
> >>
> >> --Emperor T.J.
> >
> >
> > Help me adjust my humor/sarcasm detector. I actually thought this
> > McElwaine character was doing a fine little humorous skit - until I
> > clicked on his link! Damn, he's serious about his rants!
> > (http://members.aol.com/rem547/)
>
> McElwaine is one of Usenet's best-known net.kooks. He generally doesn't
> get into discussions any more, preferring a "hit-and-run" posting style.
> Watch out for the companion post to "Russia's OPERATIONAL Starwars Defense
> Systems!!", titled "The Earth's HOLLOW Center!!"
>
> P.S.: PASS IT ON !
>
> :-)
No I'am not Nancy, but the fact that 29 postings on this issue is not

visible on my news reader,
should indicate that I should have an opinion on this issue which I
where not
allowed to publish.
Of course America should build such vapons. Not because of a threat

from
Russia, but because of treat from non inhibitants of the world. And
they are here
already here to prepare an massive invation from the anti Earth. They
are potioned in leading positions around the world, and they are

verbal, intelligent and manipulating. They have infiltrated most of
the countries around the world, and is just waiting for the day to

come where they can take over the Earth. The reason for this is
because their own planet the anti earth is becoming hotter for every
year and is now only populated at the poles.
If this sounds like science fiction you are probably not aware of the
many signs in
the time we live in. They have planted the HIV virus, carried out
mysterious

killings and kidnappings to spread their terror around the world. So
to you all
out there that believe that aliens are friendly. Well they are not.
They are in an
desperate situation and they are doing something about it.
So in my opinion you americans should build that defense system no

Tamas Feher

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Jun 24, 2002, 3:15:34 PM6/24/02
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> Russia's OPERATIONAL Starwars Defense System !

The return of Keegan's follies...

Patrick C. Flannery

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Jun 24, 2002, 3:32:13 PM6/24/02
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Tamas Feher wrote:

>>Russia's OPERATIONAL Starwars Defense System !
>>
>
>The return of Keegan's follies...
>

Just because you didn't note that Soviet surprise attack on July 4th,
1976 doesn't mean it didn't happen, we were expecting them to attack
with ICBM's.... not a holier-than-thou peanut farmer who would get all
moral when the Arabs cut our oil off. (I have said it before; I will say
it again now- it is NOT the Arab's fault that they are living on top of
all that oil that God gave to us.)

Damon Hill

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Jun 24, 2002, 3:14:35 PM6/24/02
to

>
>

> Robert McElwaine wrote:
>
>> >
>
> Aren't you dead?
>

You're thinking of Sollog.

--Damon

John Beaderstadt

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Jun 24, 2002, 4:59:51 PM6/24/02
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Black Knight wrote:

> Oh, I see. You are firmly convinced that the politicians in Washington
> tell us everything they know. Right?

No, but the Press does, and *they* tell us.

> Do you remember the Iran-Contra
> affair? How about Nixon's little war in Cambodia?

Precisely my point.

John Beaderstadt

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Jun 24, 2002, 5:02:25 PM6/24/02
to
Black Knight wrote:

>>You're really, really new here, aren't you?
>
> What difference does that make?

OK, guys, looks like we've got a live one. OM? You ready?

Jonathan Silverlight

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Jun 24, 2002, 3:08:38 PM6/24/02
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In message <4c45772f.02062...@posting.google.com>, Knut Ove
Hauge <tuchof...@hotmail.com> writes

Do you mean 29 postings in this thread, or postings by you? I've got 33
so far on this thread, so I'd guess your reader is screwed somehow, or
your ISP is dropping them before you can read them.

Bill Nelson

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Jun 24, 2002, 5:37:13 PM6/24/02
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In sci.astro Jorge R. Frank <jrf...@ibm-pc.borg> wrote:
>>
>> Aren't you dead?

> Nah, you're probably thinking of Alexander Abian, the other legendary
> net.kook of sci.space.*.

And then there are the wanna-be legendary kooks - such as Ludie Poo, "Mr
Space Potato" (whatever his name was), Leider, NutKnut ("Who's There?")
and one or two others of even lesser note.

--
Bill Nelson (bi...@peak.org)

George William Herbert

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Jun 24, 2002, 6:52:33 PM6/24/02
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Black Knight <kni...@indystart.com> wrote:
>Damon Hill <damo...@attbi.com> wrote:

>> kni...@indystart.com (Black Knight) wrote:
>> > Oh, I see. You are firmly convinced that the politicians in
>> > Washington tell us everything they know. Right? Do you
>> > remember the Iran-Contra affair? How about Nixon's little
>> > war in Cambodia?
>> >
>> > I was only trying to make a point about Soviet priorities
>> > and the fact that they were very secretive about their
>> > military operations.
>>
>> Since what McElwaine describes is physically impossible given
>> known and extrapolated technology, it follows that his ravings
>> are a complete fantasy.
>>
>> If you're that willing to believe nonsense, go right ahead.
>> We'll make fun of you, too. We live for that kind of thing
>> here.
>
> Go right ahead, asshole. Find out the hard way whether I place any value
>on your opinion at all.

Let's make this simple.

McElwaine is a kook. His postings contain zero factual
or even physically possible claims. Any competent scientist
or engineer can easily disprove everything he's said.
He's simply insane.

If you are basing any sort of attempt at real, serious
discussion on the rantings of a madman, expect that your
credibility will be necessarily somewhat lessened from
the beginning of the discussion.

If you keep arguing the point, as opposed to say researching
missile defense systems and such so that you can tell for
yourself what McElwaine has gotten wrong, then you're wasting
the time of tens of thousands of readers on the sci.space
newsgroups this is crossposted to, and making yourself
look like a fool in the process. Do you want to learn
something, or do you want to be a fool? The choice is yours.

It's not that hard to study real missile defense systems,
weapons physics, etc. enough to understand what is real
and what's the product of poor Mr McElwaine's mental delusions.
Please spend the time to do so before you proceed further.
It's not classified until you get into much, much more
detail than you need to understand where the flaws are
in his arguments. It's well documented. Lots of people
around here can help explain it if you back off and are
willing to ask questions and learn something.


-george william herbert
gher...@retro.com

Patrick C. Flannery

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Jun 24, 2002, 7:40:06 PM6/24/02
to

John Beaderstadt wrote:

> Black Knight wrote:
>
>>> You're really, really new here, aren't you?
>>
>>
>> What difference does that make?
>
>
> OK, guys, looks like we've got a live one. OM? You ready?

Cut to image of three hundred foot tall reptile rising out of Tokyo bay,
the fins on it's back beginning to glow with a strange bluish light......
Flanra

Black Knight

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Jun 25, 2002, 2:01:44 AM6/25/02
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gher...@gw.retro.com (George William Herbert) wrote in message news:<af87rh$ds6$1...@gw.retro.com>...


Izvinviti, doorak. Ya ne gavariti PoAngliski. Vi gavariti PaRooski?
Doomayoo shto nyet. Vi Mudak.

Josef

Patrick C. Flannery

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Jun 25, 2002, 3:18:39 AM6/25/02
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Black Knight wrote:

>
>Izvinviti, doorak. Ya ne gavariti PoAngliski. Vi gavariti PaRooski?
>Doomayoo shto nyet. Vi Mudak.
>
>Josef
>

"Don't be evasive, Bones; tell me what you really think...."
You got a problem with the argument being made, or evidence against
it...hit us with the evidence or sources that stand on your side...and
we will be expecting quotes, pages, authors, and ISBN's for
it....otherwise we have had all too much of this re-heated loony crap to
stomach already. You are wasting our and your time...put up; or shut up.
Pat
Amateur Cesspool Manager

>

K.O.Hauge

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Jun 25, 2002, 6:35:08 AM6/25/02
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Jonathan Silverlight <jsi...@merseia.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:<SylUPSJ2...@jsilver.freeserve.co.uk>...

I ment 29 postings in this thread when I replied first time.Now the thread has
increased and I can still not read it my news server. I read this in Google.
Another posting of mine which I'am not able to see on my news servaer at my
work is this. Volcanos could indicate a pole shift.
I have not received any reply on this which I found strange

m_h_burch

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Jun 25, 2002, 6:39:06 AM6/25/02
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"K.O.Hauge" <voiceofg...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:f752fe81.02062...@posting.google.com...

Thanks for posting in text format Knut! See, I've been complaining and
making noise at you about it for a while, and actually noticed when you made
the change :P

I am going to start a thread in a moment to discuss the very basics of how
newsgroups work. You might want to take a peek there.

Matt


Patrick C. Flannery

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Jun 25, 2002, 6:41:13 AM6/25/02
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Patrick C. Flannery wrote:

>>
> "Don't be evasive, Bones; tell me what you really think...."
> You got a problem with the argument being made, or evidence against
> it...hit us with the evidence or sources that stand on your side...and
> we will be expecting quotes, pages, authors, and ISBN's for
> it....otherwise we have had all too much of this re-heated loony crap
> to stomach already. You are wasting our and your time...put up; or
> shut up.
> Pat
> Amateur Cesspool Manager

I would like to apologize for the hasty choice of words in my reply to
the last message...after careful thought, and reconsideration, it was:
"Don't mince words, Bones; tell me what you really think."

Patrick Tiberius Flannery

Chosp

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Jun 25, 2002, 1:14:49 PM6/25/02
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"Black Knight" <kni...@indystart.com> wrote in message
news:594c8e48.02062...@posting.google.com...

> gher...@gw.retro.com (George William Herbert) wrote in message
news:<af87rh$ds6$1...@gw.retro.com>...

> > It's not that hard to study real missile defense systems,
> > weapons physics, etc. enough to understand what is real
> > and what's the product of poor Mr McElwaine's mental delusions.
> > Please spend the time to do so before you proceed further.
> > It's not classified until you get into much, much more
> > detail than you need to understand where the flaws are
> > in his arguments. It's well documented. Lots of people
> > around here can help explain it if you back off and are
> > willing to ask questions and learn something.
> >
> >
> > -george william herbert
> > gher...@retro.com
>
>
> Izvinviti, doorak. Ya ne gavariti PoAngliski. Vi gavariti PaRooski?
> Doomayoo shto nyet. Vi Mudak.
>
> Josef

This is where you reveal yourself to be a troll.


Dan Swartzendruber

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Jun 25, 2002, 2:03:51 PM6/25/02
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In article <dy1S8.89543$3R2.3...@news1.west.cox.net>, ch...@cox.net
says...

You only now figured that out? :) Seriously, it's hard to imagine
anyone who is not delusional or a troll taking mcelwaine seriously...

m_h_burch

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Jun 22, 2002, 1:01:06 AM6/22/02
to
But what about the Tooth Fairy? Where does she fit in? Goblins, Orcs,
c'mon, all fantasy is supposed to have Elves and Dwarfs! You didn't mention
them!

Seriously - Out of all that I had the stomach to read (not much), there is
one glaring inconsistency to me, a non-astronomer - anything that can shoot
at the Earth from the Moon would NEED be visible on the face of the moon.
The period of rotation of the moon is the same as the orbital period - what
that means, if you are not aware, is that the same side of the Moon always
faces the Earth. Even if the base were camoflaged, it would have needed to
be built. The materials would have needed to be transported, etc. Are you
claiming that tens of thousands of amateur astronomers would have missed
dozens of Earth to Moon transitions, and the signs of construction on the
moons surface? The amount of energy necessary to fire the beam would
require either A) Huge (read HUGE) solar panel arrays to recharge a
monstrous battery system, or a nuclear reactor of some type. The solar
arrays would be visible, if they existed. If nothing else there would be
heat signatures visible from any sort of base, especially If there were a
reactor up there. Infrared is a very easy spectrum to detect, even through
Earth atmosphere, if I am remembering correctly.

If this was a classic long mumbojumbo post with the little message hidden in
the middle somewhere that says "Fooled Ya" then go ahead and feel like you
fooled me :P I just couldn't stand to read past the first few paragraphs.
Reading further would have required me to dig in the closet for my hip
waders - cause I'm not getting this stuff on my socks.

Matt


"Robert McElwaine" <re...@briefcase.com> wrote in message
news:540b9a94.02062...@posting.google.com...
> >
>

> Russia's OPERATIONAL Starwars Defense System !
>
> In February 1992, Russian President Boris Yeltsin
> proposed to the United States and the United Nations a global
> defense shield (with "Starwars"-type weapons) BASED ON
> RUSSIAN TECHNOLOGY.
>
> Some people might wonder what the "backward" Russians
> could possibly have that would be of value for the S.D.I.
> research and development program.
>
> The little-known TRUTH is that the Russians started
> deploying an OPERATIONAL "Starwars" defense system in
> September 1977, and it has greatly grown and improved since
> that time. It is a SPACE TRIAD built around CHARGED PARTICLE
> BEAM and NEUTRON PARTICLE BEAM WEAPONS.
>
> In this article I will describe the Russian system as it
> developed from 1977 to 1983, and give several examples of how
> it was used during that period. But first I will try to
> convince readers of the credibility of my main source of
> information about it.
>
> My main source is articles published in a weekly
> legislative newspaper, WISCONSIN REPORT (WR), of Brookfield,
> Wisconsin, (P.O. Box 45, zip 53005), written by the late Dr.
> Peter David Beter, a well-respected Washington, DC attorney,
> Doctor of Jurisprudence, and expert and consultant in
> international law, finance, and intelligence, who received
> much of his information from associates in the CIA and other
> intelligence groups of other countries who disapproved of
> many of the things happening or being planned behind the
> scenes. They believed that at least limited public exposure
> might delay and ultimately prevent the worst of those things,
> such as NUCLEAR WAR and NATIONAL DICTATORSHIP, from taking
> place.
>
> Dr. Beter started appearing on local radio and TV talk
> shows, but soon found himself being BANNED from them, as a
> result of government THREATS to cancel broadcast licenses.
> So he started producing monthly one-hour cassette tapes and
> sending them to a growing list of subscribers. From June 21,
> 1975 until November 3, 1982 he recorded eighty (80) "Dr.
> Beter Audio Letters" (AL), plus eight "Audio Books", and
> three special topic tapes. On September 1, 1977, Wisconsin
> Report started publishing transcripts of those Audio-Letters.
>
> Based on information from his sources, Dr. Beter
> PREDICTED the bombing of the U.S. Marines in Beirut A FULL
> YEAR BEFORE IT HAPPENED, WARNING that the U.S. Pentagon and
> the Israeli Mossad were CONSPIRING TO DELIBERATELY ARRANGE IT
> in order to try to get Americans angry at the Arabs and
> generate public support for PLANNED military action against
> them, [AL #78, #79, and #80 (11-3-82).]. He reported the
> impending assassination of Anwar Saddat of Egypt SIX DAYS
> BEFORE IT HAPPENED, [AL #68 (9-30-81) and #69.]. And Dr.
> Beter predicted what he called the "retirement" of Leonid
> Brezhnev one week before Brezhnev officially "died", [Note
> that the word "retirement" was used for the TERMINATION OF
> REPLICANTS in the 1982 movie "Blade Runner".], and his quick
> replacement with Andropov which occurred only three days
> after the "death" of Brezhnev, to the surprise of all
> government and media analysts, [AL #80 (11-3-82).]. He could
> "predict" these events because we was INFORMED about the
> PLANS to carry them out. Subscription application and
> renewal forms for Dr. Beter's tapes would usually say,
> "Subscribe to the Dr. Beter Audio Letter and watch the news
> start making sense."
>
>
> RUSSIA'S SPACE TRIAD OF STAR WARS WEAPONS
>
> In September 1977 the Russians started launching MANNED
> killer satellites, called "COSMOS INTERCEPTORS", armed with
> CHARGED PARTICLE BEAM weapons, into earth orbit, [12-15-77
> WR; and AL #27, Topic 1.]. By April 1978 there were about
> THREE DOZEN of them, and they had FINISHED DESTROYING all
> American spy and early warning satellites, [5-18-78 WR; and
> AL #33, Topic 2.].
>
> On September 27, 1977, in what Dr. Beter called "THE
> BATTLE OF THE HARVEST MOON", a Cosmos Interceptor in Earth
> orbit used a NEUTRON PARTICLE BEAM to wipe out a secret
> American laser-beam base nearing operational status in
> Copernicus Crater on the Moon, [11-3-77 WR; and AL #26, Topic
> 1.]. The Russians quickly deployed their own military bases
> on the Moon, the second leg of their space triad, starting on
> October 4, 1977, with seven EXTREMELY POWERFUL charged
> particle beam weapons BASES on the near side of the Moon and
> three support bases on the far side, [2-9-78 WR; and AL #29,
> Topic 1.].
>
> The first test of the Moon base weapons occurred on
> November 19, 1977, ironically at about the same time as the
> release of the first "Star Wars" movie with its "death star"
> weapon. The Russians were aiming at the eye of a cyclone
> near India. But they miscalculated the deflection of the
> beam by the Earth's magnetic field, and the beam struck the
> ocean too close to the shore causing a TIDAL WAVE that killed
> many people, [2-9-78 WR; and AL #29, Topic 1.]. A blast of
> charged particle beams from two or more of the Russian Moon
> bases fired in quick succession would create the DESTRUCTIVE
> EFFECT OF A HYDROGEN BOMB on its target.
>
> The third leg of Russia's triad of space weapons is the
> "COSMOSPHERES". The first-generation Cosmospheres were
> weapons platforms that were ELECTRO-GRAVITIC (could hover
> against gravity), ATOMIC POWERED, horizontally positioned by
> rocket thrusters, somehow invisible to radar beyond about 40
> miles (perhaps from a radar absorbing coating), armed with
> CHARGED PARTICLE BEAM weapons (at least a hundred times less
> powerful than those in the Moon bases), equipped with
> "PSYCHO ENERGETIC RANGE FINDING" (PRF) which tunes in to the
> actual ATOMIC SIGNATURE of a target or object and canNOT be
> jammed, and some of them were also armed with microwave
> BRAIN-SCRAMBLING equipment.
>
> In late 1977 and early 1978, there was a strange rash of
> giant AIR BOOMS along the east coast of the United States and
> elsewhere. These air booms were NEVER satisfactorily
> explained, by either the government, the scientific
> establishment, or the news media. They could NOT be
> positively identified with any particular Super Sonic
> Transport plane (SST) or other aircraft, and indeed they were
> MUCH LOUDER than aircraft sonic booms. The giant airbooms
> were actually caused by Russian Cosmospheres firing CHARGED
> PARTICLE BEAMS down into the atmosphere in a DEFOCUSED MODE
> (spread out) for the purpose of announcing their presence to
> the WARMONGERS in the United States Pentagon. [2-9-78 WR;
> and AL #29, Topic 1.].
>
>
> The main purpose of any "Star Wars" defense system is to
> protect a country against nuclear attack. During the weekend
> of January 20, 1980, Russian Cosmospheres accomplished such a
> mission. A NUCLEAR FIRST STRIKE against Russia by the then
> BOLSHEVIK CONTROLLED United States was being started with a
> total of 82 special secret aircraft that can sneak up to a
> country's shoreline under water, surface, change configura-
> tion, take off, and fly at treetop level to their targets.
> Dr. Beter describes part of the action in his Audio Letter
> #53, recorded on January 21, 1980:
>
> "At that point the real action got under way, in the Caspian
> Sea and off northern Norway. The Subcraft, with Israeli
> pilots, were on their way. They were traveling under water
> on the first legs of their attack missions....
>
> "Late Saturday night, Washington time, a coded signal was
> flashed to the Subcraft to continue as planned. By that
> time, the northern contingent of Subcraft were in the White
> Sea. The southern contingent had reached the north end of
> the Caspian Sea. It was already daylight, Sunday morning,
> the 20th, for the Subcraft contingents. Their orders were to
> wait out the day under water, out of sight; then, after
> nightfall, they were to continue their steady approach to get
> close to their targets. The Subcraft were maintaining strict
> radio silence. They were also deep enough under water to be
> invisible from the air to either the eye or radar, yet they
> were also hugging the shoreline in water too shallow for
> Russian sonar to pick them up. And their infrared signatures
> were negligible as the result of extensive development. In
> short, by the standards of Western technology, they were
> undetectable. But in AUDIO LETTER No. 42 I revealed Russia's
> master secret weapon. It is called "Psycho energetic Range
> Finding" or PRF. It is unlike sonar and similar techniques.
> PRF tunes in to the actual atomic signature of a target, and
> there is no method known by which PRF can be jammed.
>
> "By deploying their Navy to the Arabian Sea, the
> Russians are pretending to be fooled by the Bolshevik
> distraction with the aircraft carriers. In this way they
> encouraged the Bolsheviks to launch the Subcraft toward their
> targets. They waited until the Subcraft were far away from
> their bases and out of sight of the Bolsheviks, who are
> directing the American first strike operation. But the whole
> time they were being tracked by Cosmospheres overhead using
> PRF, and shortly after 1:00 A.M. yesterday morning Eastern
> Standard Time, the Cosmospheres began firing their Charged
> Particle Beam Weapons. There were 10 Subcraft in the White
> Sea. Each disappeared in a blinding blue white water spout
> of steam, smoke, and fire. In the north end of the Caspian
> there were 19 Subcraft--they, too, met the same fate.". [2-
> 7-80 WR; and AL #53, Topic 3.].
>
>
> The 3rd-generation Russian JUMBO COSMOSPHERES were first
> deployed in April 1981, in parallel with the first U.S. Space
> Shuttle mission. They significantly interfered with that
> MILITARY mission, in ways which were successfully covered up
> by NASA using techniques similar to those shown in the movie
> "Capricorn I". [5-7-81, 5-14-81, and 5-21-81 WR; and AL #64,
> Topics 1-3.].
>
> Jumbo Cosmospheres are much larger than the 1st-
> generation models, and use ELECTROMAGNETIC PROPULSION instead
> of rocket thrusters to move around.
>
> For about two years after Dr. Beter stopped recording
> his Audio-Letters in November 1982 (because of heart
> trouble), his distributor, Audio Books, Inc., published some
> newsletters titled "NewsALERT", using information passed on
> to them by Dr. Beter or received directly from his sources.
> A special supplementary issue, dated March 26, 1984,
> describes how Russian Jumbo Cosmospheres captured two
> communication satellites right after launch from U.S. Space
> Shuttle Mission #10, found anti-satellite (ASAT) missiles
> mounted on one of them, and dumped both satellites into
> useless orbits. NASA had fun TRYING to explain two-in-a-row
> failures of a highly reliable PAM-D satellite booster.
>
> Russia's offer to share their "Starwars" defense system
> with the rest of the world might also extend to SCIENTIFIC
> SPACE EXPLORATION. For example, the United States was
> planning to send two unmanned flyby and sample-return space
> missions to a comet. These missions would cost BILLIONS of
> dollars, take twenty years from now to complete, and could
> FAIL in DOZENS of ways. A Russian Jumbo Cosmosphere could
> COMPLETE a MANNED version of such a mission in a matter of
> MONTHS (if they have not already done so), since these
> Cosmospheres can accelerate continuously.
>
> Note that the United States has announced a deal to
> purchase at least one SPACE REACTOR from Russia. Now you
> know what the Russians originally developed and used them
> for.
>
>
> THE DR. BETER AUDIO LETTERS
>
> ALL 80 Dr. Beter Audio Letters (about 50 KB each) and an
> Overview (about 75 KB) have been digitized into ASCII by Jon
> B. Volkoff at "eide...@cerf.net" (Internet email address)
> and are available from him or from this web site:
>
> http://www.etext.org/Politics/Beter.Audio.Letter .
>
> I especially recommend Audio-Letters #64, 74, 40, 53,
> 54, 55, 45, 46, 47, 48, 78, 79, and 80, and the Overview.
>
> Audio-Letter #64 is about the "STS-1 DISASTER/
> /COVERUP".
> Audio Letter #74 is about the "SECRET PURPOSE of the
> Falklands War", and includes INVISIBILITY Technology and the
> DETONATION of a Russian NEUTRON BOMB.
> Audio Letter #40 is about the "MILITARY PURPOSE of
> Jonestown Mass MURDER".
>
>
> For more information, answers to your questions, etc.,
> please consult my CITED SOURCES.
>
> Robert E. McElwaine
> B.S., Physics and Astronomy, UW-EC
> http://members.aol.com/rem547 *BEST*
> http://members.aol.com/rem460


>
> P.S.: PASS IT ON !
>
>

> "EVERYTHING you know is WRONG."
> "The Truth IS stranger than fiction."
> "The Truth is ALWAYS the FIRST CASUALTY OF WAR."
> "OFFICIAL LIES are ALWAYS the BIGGEST LIES OF ALL."
> "The more things change, the more they STAY THE SAME."
> >
> >
> >


Chosp

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"Dan Swartzendruber" <dsw...@druber.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.17827a91a...@news.supernews.net...

> In article <dy1S8.89543$3R2.3...@news1.west.cox.net>, ch...@cox.net
> says...
> >
> > "Black Knight" <kni...@indystart.com> wrote in message
> > news:594c8e48.02062...@posting.google.com...
> >
> > >
> > > Izvinviti, doorak. Ya ne gavariti PoAngliski. Vi gavariti PaRooski?
> > > Doomayoo shto nyet. Vi Mudak.
> > >
> > > Josef
> >
> > This is where you reveal yourself to be a troll.
>
> You only now figured that out? :)

No. I just confirmed it beyond any conceivable doubt.

Black Knight

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Jun 25, 2002, 7:10:40 PM6/25/02
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Dan Swartzendruber <dsw...@druber.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.17827a91a...@news.supernews.net>...
> In article <dy1S8.89543$3R2.3...@news1.west.cox.net>, ch...@cox.net
> says...
> >
> > "Black Knight" <kni...@indystart.com> wrote in message
> > news:594c8e48.02062...@posting.google.com...
> >
> > > gher...@gw.retro.com (George William Herbert) wrote in message
> news:<af87rh$ds6$1...@gw.retro.com>...
> > > > It's not that hard to study real missile defense systems,
> > > > weapons physics, etc. enough to understand what is real
> > > > and what's the product of poor Mr McElwaine's mental delusions.
> > > > Please spend the time to do so before you proceed further.
> > > > It's not classified until you get into much, much more
> > > > detail than you need to understand where the flaws are
> > > > in his arguments. It's well documented. Lots of people
> > > > around here can help explain it if you back off and are
> > > > willing to ask questions and learn something.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -george william herbert
> > > > gher...@retro.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Izvinviti, doorak. Ya ne gavariti PoAngliski. Vi gavariti PaRooski?
> > > Doomayoo shto nyet. Vi Mudak.
> > >
> > > Josef
> >
> > This is where you reveal yourself to be a troll.

I'm not a troll, you fucking moron. I posted in Russian because I
speak the language and we were discussing the USSR. Is that too much
for your primordial brain to understand?

>
> You only now figured that out? :) Seriously, it's hard to imagine
> anyone who is not delusional or a troll taking mcelwaine seriously...


Here's another illiterate who cannot read. I did not say I took him
seriously, you retarded dwarf. Read my original post, dumbass.My point
was unrelated to what he said, you fucking idiot.


Bruno

Ken Lewis

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Jun 25, 2002, 7:34:40 PM6/25/02
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On 25 Jun 2002 16:10:40 -0700, kni...@indystart.com (Black Knight)
wrote:

>Dan Swartzendruber <dsw...@druber.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.17827a91a...@news.supernews.net>...
>> In article <dy1S8.89543$3R2.3...@news1.west.cox.net>, ch...@cox.net

Oh, who the hell cares what you wrote.

What I want to know is why you are still posting to USENET from work
when you were told not to do so?

Don't you consider it theft to steal time and computer resources from
your employer?

The message ID for this post of yours was:

594c8e48.02062...@posting.google.com

and the NNTP-Posting-Host was 170.213.132.250

170.213.132.250 is:

Trying whois -h whois.arin.net 170.213.132.250

Network Management Division (NET-SDCNTY-INET)
The County of San Diego
Department of Information Services
Network Management Division M/S A-S$
1600 Pacific Highway
San Diego, CA 92101
US

Netname: SDCNTY-INET
Netblock: 170.213.0.0 - 170.213.255.255

Coordinator:
SAIC (ZS103-ARIN) hostm...@mnsc.saic.com
800-897-2836

Would they be pleased that you are STILL stealing work time from them
after having been told to stop?

What does this say about your morals?

Better be careful. You might get fired. AGAIN!

ROTFLMAO!

Chosp

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Jun 25, 2002, 9:53:53 PM6/25/02
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"Black Knight" <kni...@indystart.com> wrote in message
news:594c8e48.02062...@posting.google.com...

> > > This is where you reveal yourself to be a troll.


>
> I'm not a troll, you fucking moron. I posted in Russian because I
> speak the language and we were discussing the USSR. Is that too much
> for your primordial brain to understand?


You can go out back and blow that old dog again for
all I care, troll.

K.O.Hauge

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Jun 26, 2002, 2:05:42 AM6/26/02
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"m_h_burch" <Mremoveth...@sc.rr.com> wrote in message news:<eLXR8.63587$ZQ6.7...@twister.southeast.rr.com>...

Hi Matt.
I can read your posting about newsserver at my home PC, but I cant
still not
read this thread.I can only read it on Google and at work. BTW can you
read my posting from Saturday about "Volcano activity
could indicate a pole shift".

pete

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Jun 26, 2002, 11:48:31 PM6/26/02
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In sci.space.policy Bill Nelson <bi...@spock.peak.org> wrote:

` In sci.astro Jorge R. Frank <jrf...@ibm-pc.borg> wrote:
`>>
`>> Aren't you dead?
`
`> Nah, you're probably thinking of Alexander Abian, the other legendary
`> net.kook of sci.space.*.
`
` And then there are the wanna-be legendary kooks - such as Ludie Poo, "Mr
` Space Potato" (whatever his name was),

Hannu Porp...something or other. Maybe I'll take a run at it: Porpopoudas
or something similar. Man, I haven't thought of him for about six years.
I presume he's long gone.

Leider, NutKnut ("Who's There?")
` and one or two others of even lesser note.

`
Alt.usenet.kooks used to maintain (and probably still does) a hall of
fame website for the truly world class whackos and their most memorable
achievements. They have all the best up to date designs for tin foil hats.

`

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vincent@triumf[munge].ca Pete Vincent
Disclaimer: all I know I learned from reading Usenet.

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