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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp lang lisp comp speech research comp speech users sci med psychobiology alt support hearing-loss Pascal Bourguignon wrote on 28 Jul 2004: uj...@victoria.tc.ca (Arthur T. Murray) writes: [...] The AI Mind needs Lisp (and other languages) because JavaScript is too confining. Jul 28 2004 by Arthur T. Murray |
Immortal Self-Rejuvenating Artificial IntelligenceGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp lang lisp "Johnny" wrote on 27 Jul
2004: Why do you want it translated into Lisp? http://www.scn.org/~mentifex/
jsaimind.html is a prototype Mind: ______ ______ AI4U textbook / \ / \ User's
Manual ( Motorium ) ( Security ) Add your link \______/ \______/ ______ ______
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Jul 27 2004 by Arthur T. Murray
Immortal Self-Rejuvenating Artificial IntelligenceGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp lang lisp "Johnny" wrote on 25 Jul
2004: uj...@victoria.tc.ca (Arthur T. Murray) wrote in message news:<4103c292
@news.victoria.tc.ca>... http://www.scn.org/~mentifex/jsaimind.html needs porting
to Lisp. From what language, HTML? No, not HTML, but JavaScript. HTML is just
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Jul 26 2004 by Arthur T. Murray
Immortal Self-Rejuvenating Artificial IntelligenceGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp lang lisp http://www.scn.org/~mentifex
/jsaimind.html needs porting to Lisp.
Jul 25 2004 by Arthur T. Murray
5 most interesting questions/problems in AI?
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp ai philosophy comp lang lisp comp robotics misc comp sys super rec arts sf science ch...@chrisv.org (Chris V) wrote on 30 Jan 2004: I'm writing an article on AI for the Brown University paper science section. I'd like to know what you believe to be the five most interesting/ probing ... Jan 31 2004 by Arthur T. Murray |
Explaining how a (Mind) program works
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp lang lisp "Bill Modlin" <modlin1@ metrocast.net> wrote on Fri, 26 Sep 2003: <snip> If I wanted to explain how one of my programs worked I would not give someone a print out of the code. First I would explain it in higher level (folk psychology?) terms and then explain how I ... Sep 26 2003 by Arthur T. Murray |
help with AI project
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp human-factors comp lang lisp comp lang prolog misc legal computing comp speech users [...] My plan is to research the area of AI and law, specifically by developing a prototype for decision support system adjusted to particular legislation etc. As i'ma lawyer rather than a ... Sep 23 2003 by Arthur T. Murray |
Standards in Artificial Intelligence
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp lang lisp comp std misc comp sys super misc industry quality alt folklore computers stefan <lin8...@freenet.de> wrote on Sat, 13 Sep 2003: [...] A webpage of proposed Standards in Artificial Intelligence is at http://mentifex.virtualentity.com/standard.html -- [...] Some of these ... Sep 14 2003 by Arthur T. Murray |
Standards in Artificial Intelligence
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp ai genetic comp lang c++ comp lang lisp comp lang perl misc comp std misc A webpage of proposed Standards in Artificial Intelligence is at http://mentifex.virtualentity.com/standard.html -- updated today. Sep 10 2003 by Arthur T. Murray |
Cautionary Note (was): AI::GA
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp lang perl misc comp lang java programmer comp lang lisp comp lang basic visual misc comp arch Kent Paul Dolan wrote in news:comp.lang.perl.misc on Mon, 8 Sep 2003: Don't pretend that you are going to be the architect, be content to add a few bricks to the edifice and call that ... Sep 8 2003 by Arthur T. Murray |
Basic Aspects of AI
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp ai neural-nets comp lang lisp bionet neuroscience sci cognitive alt consciousness cst...@dtpq.com (Christopher C. Stacy) wants to know: On 5 Sep 2003 07:58:20 -0800, Arthur T Murray ("Arthur") writes: [the same weird "AI" messages in all kinds of newsgroups daily] I've just got ... Sep 5 2003 by Arthur T. Murray |
Basic Aspects of AI
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp ai neural-nets comp lang lisp bionet neuroscience sci cognitive alt consciousness [...] We are preparing a subject for university... we'd like to teach an introductory course on AI and we are doing the previous research before deciding the contents that give a better view of this ... Sep 5 2003 by Arthur T. Murray |
Newbie Questions: Starting a Career in AI
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp ai edu comp lang lisp comp lang misc k12 ed science sci research careers Don Geddis <d...@geddis.org> wrote in news:comp.ai on Tue, 02 Sep 2003: I wrote: Especially if you're going to look at AI history, and you want to experiment a lot, you should almost certainly spend ... Sep 2 2003 by Arthur T. Murray |
Lispers in San Diego?
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp lang lisp comp lang scheme Edward O'Connor <t...@oconnor.cx> wrote on Mon, 25 Aug 2003: Hi there! Continuing the spate of Lisper get-together-over-beer groups around the world, I thought it would be nice to get a group together in San Diego, CA. If anyone is interested, ... Aug 26 2003 by Arthur T. Murray |
Common-lisp.net
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp lang lisp It is a pleasure to announce http://common-lisp.net, a web-site dedicated to providing the Common Lisp community with development resources, including CVS, FTP, mailing lists, and web-space. Web-space? Thank you, on behalf of all AI Mind Lisp coders. A link to ... Aug 19 2003 by Arthur T. Murray |
Artificial intelligence (AI) has been solved
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp ai philosophy comp lang apl comp lang lisp comp lang perl misc rec arts sf science If it has, why isn't it telling us itself ? The primitive-but-sufficient solution to AI is still evolving. http://mentifex. virtualentity.com/apl.html -- for Mind.APL coding. http://mentifex.virtualentity.com/ acm.html ... Aug 17 2003 by Arthur T. Murray |
Forth [was: Comp.lang.lisp Census 2003]
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp lang forth comp lang lisp comp lang misc comp programming contests comp robotics misc [...] I was just suggesting languages other than Lisp that are still fun to program in. Yes, I understand, but your mention of Postscript reminded me of Forth; and as Forth looks very interesting ... Aug 11 2003 by Arthur T. Murray |
Artificial intelligence (AI) has been solved
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp lang lisp comp lang misc comp programming comp software-eng k12 ed comp literacy http://mentifex.virtualentity .com/weblog.html "AI has been solved" excerpt: Mind.Forth in Win32Forth for robots: http://mentifex.virtualentity.com/mind4th.html A robot needs a mind, and a Mind ... Jul 28 2003 by Arthur T. Murray |
Speaking of Forth..
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp robotics misc comp lang forth comp lang lisp comp ai alife alt folklore computers "Martin Euredjian" wrote on Sat, 12 Jul 2003: [...] LISP is a language that let's you approach things in a different way. When you program using LISP your brain is using a different process to arrive at a ... Jul 13 2003 by Arthur T. Murray |
about the Cross-Languge Information Retrieval
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp lang lisp "Dimension" <l...@ir.hit.edu .cn> writes on Sun, 18 May 2003: Hi,all I'm looking for infomation about the Cross -Languge Information Retrieval and Machine Translation. Include the most classical books and the lastest research developments. May 18 2003 by Arthur T. Murray |
history of AI Winter?
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp lang lisp comp ai philosophy alt folklore computers Charles Richmond entered my reality distortion field on 09 May 2003: "Arthur T. Murray" wrote: Eugene Miya, mercurial messenger of the netgods, wrote matter-of-faqly: [...] Hey, that's great!!! [...] Thank you! Mentifex ... May 9 2003 by Arthur T. Murray |
Reasoning v. other AI stuff
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp ai philosophy comp ai edu comp lang lisp sci cognitive sci logic "Herman Jurjus" <h.jur...@hetnet.nl> wrote on Tue, 6 May 2003: [...] Implementations are fun (and are important, as well). http://www. scn.org/~mentifex/jsaimind.html -- AI implemented. I would even go further, and ... May 6 2003 by Arthur T. Murray |
history of AI Winter?
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp lang lisp comp lang javascript comp ai philosophy rec arts sf science alt folklore computers sv0f <none@vanderbilt. edu> wrote on Thu, 01 May 2003: [...] I've lost track of why you guys are upset. That some AI pioneers made predictions that turned out to be optimistic? That the early ... May 1 2003 by Arthur T. Murray |
Knights of the Lambda Calculus Meeting Aug 7.-10., near Berlin
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp lang lisp comp lang dylan comp lang scheme soc org sca alt folklore computers Andreas Bogk <andr...@andreas.org > wrote on Thu, 17 Apr 2003: [...] The Discordian Section of the Grand Recursive Order of the Knights of the Lambda Calculus is pleased to announce it's ... Apr 17 2003 by Arthur T. Murray |
history of AI Winter?
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp lang lisp comp ai philosophy soc history science alt folklore computers If said "AI Winter" ever existed, it is thawing into Spring right now :-) Mentifex -- http://www.scn.org/~mentifex/theory5.html -- AI4U Theory of Mind; http://www.scn.org/~mentifex/jsaimind.html -- Tutorial "Mind- 1.1" ... Apr 16 2003 by Arthur T. Murray |
The Hundred Year Language
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp lang forth comp lang java programmer comp lang lisp comp lang python comp software-eng "Charles Pritchard" <ch...@visc.us> wrote on Sat, 12 Apr 2003: The article is a bit long, but I thought it was a good read: http://www.paulgraham.com/hundred.html First Paragraph: It's ... Apr 12 2003 by Arthur T. Murray |
LISP was: Eliza
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp lang lisp comp lang misc comp programming comp ai nat-lang alt folklore computers eug...@cse.ucsc.edu ( Eugene Miya) writes on 13 Feb 2003: In article <b2ged4$3l...@bob.news.rcn. net>, <jmfbah...@aol.com> wrote: LISP is very old - almost as old as FORTRAN. Feb 13 2003 by Arthur T. Murray |
Request Ideas for LISP companion book for Russell & Norvig
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp lang lisp comp ai neural-nets We congratulate the hard-working authors of AIMA on the illustrious publication of their second edition and we recommend AI4U as a companion AI experimentation manual. AIMA teaches the in-depth background of artificial intelligence, while AI4U, ... Dec 21 2002 by Arthur T. Murray |
Programming AI for beginner
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp ai genetic comp lang c comp lang c++ comp lang cobol comp lang lisp "nanda" <na...@hotmail.com> writes on Tue, 17 Dec 2002: How to start programming AI and what language usually use? You may use theoretically _any_ language for GOFAI, even ... Dec 17 2002 by Arthur T. Murray |
Mad people of comp.lang.lisp
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Arthur T. Murray menti...@scn.org comp lang lisp free uk people mad-scientists alt crazy people alt usenet kooks http://www.tfeb.org/lisp/mad-people.html -- Mad People of comp.lang.lisp (by Tim Bradshaw and including Tim Bradshaw) is now reachable from "Lisp for AI Textbook Software" at ... Nov 17 2002 by Arthur T. Murray |
AI primacy of Forth (Was: Re: AI And Programming Languages)
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp ai philosophy comp lang forth comp lang lisp comp lang prolog alt folklore computers Ein Gespenst geht um im Weltall -- das Gespenst der Denkmaschine. "Franz Jeitler" schrieb an Sonntag, dem 25. August (1848+154) 2002: "Arthur T. Murray" <uj...@victoria.tc.ca> schrieb im ... Aug 25 2002 by Arthur T. Murray |
AI Mind And Programming Languages
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp ai philosophy comp lang forth comp lang lisp comp lang misc comp object tedd <t...@spamcop.net> wrote on Tue, 13 Aug 2002: Albert van der Horst wrote: To qualify as an AI programming language, a system written in that language must be able to program itself, ie write its ... Aug 13 2002 by Arthur T. Murray |
shrdlu resurrection
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp ai nat-lang comp lang lisp comp robotics misc soc history science alt folklore computers j...@semaphorecorp.com ( Joe Snyder) wrote on Sun, 23 Jun 2002: Our page at http://www.semaphorecorp. com/misc/shrdlu.html is devoted to resources for resurrecting SHRDLU, and was ... Jun 22 2002 by Arthur T. Murray |
Mind.Lisp
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Arthur T. Murray menti...@scn.org comp lang lisp comp ai neural-nets comp software-eng comp theory The Mentifex Mind.Lisp initiative in artificial intelligence starts out not at the zero percent level of completion but rather at the level of fifty percent progress if not more, because half the job of creating AI lies in developing a ... Jun 14 2002 by Arthur T. Murray |
AI: Prolog vs Lisp
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp ai edu comp lang lisp comp lang prolog comp programming comp software-eng g...@beer.com (Thane) wrote on 22 May 2002: [...] I am doing a research on the pros and cons of the languages prolog and lisp for ai programming. Like which one is good for what and bad for what. May 23 2002 by Arthur T. Murray |
A Diffident Killer App
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp ai alife comp lang forth comp lang lisp comp programming comp robotics misc http://www.scn.org/~mentifex/mind4th .html is the Forth "killer app." "David N. Williams" wrote on Tue, 23 Apr 2002: I've been following a thread in sci.math.symbolic which wrangles about the virtues of ... Apr 23 2002 by Arthur T. Murray |
Forth v Lisp, secret weapon of Computer Science
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca rec arts sf science rec arts sf written comp lang forth comp lang lisp comp lang scheme Mark Atwood <m...@pobox.com> wrote on 30 Jan 2002: "Ray" <Drouill...@home.com> writes: "Ray Blaak" <blaak @telus.net> wrote in message news:m3k7u08ilt.fsf@blight.transcend.org... [. Jan 30 2002 by Arthur T. Murray |
Seminal Languages was Re: Advantages of 64-bit architecture
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp arch alt folklore computers comp lang cobol comp lang lisp comp lang prolog J Ahlstrom <jahls...@cisco.com> wrote on Fri, 21 Dec 2001: Nick Maclaren wrote: [...] From: http://secretguide2pcs.tripod. com/Strange-tongues.htm ATM: This just in via Solstice Communications from ... Dec 21 2001 by Arthur T. Murray |
lisp
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp ai philosophy comp lang java programmer comp lang lisp alt folklore computers "Indigo" <indigoseacreature@ hotmail.com> wrote on Tue, 11 Dec 2001: Does anyone still use Lisp? I had to learn some at college for a project, it seemed antiquated and the syntax was bloomin' ... Dec 12 2001 by Arthur T. Murray |
Which language for AI: lisp, C++, ...
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp ai alife comp lang c++ comp lang dylan comp lang lisp comp software-eng W.Boeke wrote in news:comp.ai on 22 Aug 2001: [...] Recently a question was raised in this newsgroup as to what language was the most appropriate for AI programming. We all know that the answer is lisp ... Aug 22 2001 by Arthur T. Murray |
ANSWER for Einstein's Riddle
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John Murray j...@murray.-SPAMtele2.co.uk comp lang forth comp lang lisp comp lang mumps Is there some ambiguity in the puzzle as stated? Assuming a) the houses are in a row in front of me, with the left-most one being denoted the first (where the Norwegian lives) b) "on the left of" means immediately adjacent on the ... Mar 13 2001 by John Murray |
A JavaScript AI can read other Web pages.
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp ai nat-lang comp ai philosophy comp infosystems www browsers misc comp lang javascript comp lang lisp Edward Hsu "hsu...@uclink4.berkeley.edu" wrote on Fri, 23 Feb 2001: "Arthur T. Murray " <uj...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message [...] HAHAHAHAHA Artificial intelligence ... Feb 23 2001 by Arthur T. Murray |
AI in LISP
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp lang lisp comp lang misc comp programming comp software-eng comp ai edu FAQTS: Computers: Programming : Languages: Lisp http://www.faqts.com/knowledge-base/index.phtml/fid/319/lang /en is a place where PD AI coders may leave questions for experts to answer about ... Jul 19 2000 by Arthur T. Murray |
Mind.Java (Was: Re: Mind.Lisp (Was: Re: design a city...))
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp ai philosophy comp lang java programmer comp lang lisp comp lang misc comp software-eng Patrik Bagge, p...@neramd.no, wrote on Tue, 25 Apr 2000: ATM: Forth is the lingua franca of AI , embedded NC and robotics. PAB: don't get me started... what some kooks down in the ... Apr 25 2000 by Arthur T. Murray |
design a city oriented to
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca sci environment sci econ comp lang lisp comp ai philosophy Thank you, Dr. McCarthy, for letting me be this footnote to AI history. -Arthur T. Murray, menti...@scn.org, dob 13 July 1946 Dallas TX USA. * John McCarthy, j...@Steam.Stanford.EDU, wrote on Good Friday 21 Apr 2000: 1 . Apr 21 2000 by Arthur T. Murray |
Mind.Lisp (Was: Re: design a city oriented to public transport)
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca sci environment sci econ comp lang lisp comp ai philosophy comp software-eng David Hanley, d...@ncgr.org, wrote on Wed, 19 Apr 2000: "Arthur T. Murray" wrote: Soon maybe someone will code the AI in the language you created: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/7256/lisp. html ... Apr 19 2000 by Arthur T. Murray |
design a city oriented to
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca sci environment sci econ comp lang lisp comp ai philosophy *John McCarthy, j...@Steam.Stanford.EDU, wrote on 18 Apr 2000: [...] No-one advocating public transport would think of it smelling bad. Likewise, no-one in 1900 advocating automobiles thought of traffic jams. It is hard to ... Apr 18 2000 by Arthur T. Murray |
Mind.LISP -- grok the theory, code the artificial mind.
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp lang lisp Volunteers are needed who can critique the PD AI theory of mind at http://www.geocities.com/mentifex/theory5 .html "Know Thyself!" and create the Mind.LISP in the following sequence of implementations. http://www.virtualentity.com/mind/vb/ Visual Basic Mind.VB was first ... Apr 11 2000 by Arthur T. Murray |
Transmeta's Crusoe as a host for neo-Lispm, or not?
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Kelly Edward Murray k...@htrd.com comp lang lisp If you think about it, there really isn'ta whole lot you can do to speed things up in the CPU after you can execute most all instructions in one cycle, and then you've speed it up to 500mhz+. You've got to go to parallel execution, of which VLIW /seems/ more possible to take ... Feb 21 2000 by Kelly Edward Murray |
Porting Mind.Forth
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp lang logo comp lang lisp comp lang forth John Cartmell, j...@cartmell.demon.co.uk, wrote on 18 Oct 1999: In article <7uf17a$cu...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Mentifex <menti...@my-deja.com> wrote: Forth is the lingua franca of AI, embedded NC and robotics. For details on Mind. Oct 19 1999 by Arthur T. Murray |
AI and robotics
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp lang lisp comp lang forth comp ai alife comp robotics misc You might consider Forth to embed Mind.Forth PD AI in your robot. David Whitacre, dwhita...@appworx.com, wrote on Fri, 27 Aug 1999: When you say Real-Time response what time frame are you using ??? milliseconds ... Aug 28 1999 by Arthur T. Murray |
APL vs. Array Programming Languages
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp ai philosophy comp lang apl comp lang lisp alt folklore computers The benighted nominalist Stevan Apter, apter@ panix.com, wrote: well jim, i guess you just sail right past what i write, since i am in the habit of referring collectively to APLs as "APLs". (see?) [...] Snipping Stevan ... Aug 27 1999 by Arthur T. Murray |
ANN: NiCLOS Engineering Release now available
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp Sam Steingold wrote: In message <372F4D43.274D8...@IntelliMarket.Com> On the subject of "Re: ANN: NiCLOS Engineering Release now available" Sent on Tue, 04 May 1999 12:40:51 -0700 Honorable Kelly Murray <k...@IntelliMarket.Com> writes: I don't think ... May 5 1999 by Kelly Murray |
And now for something completely different....
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp I agree with much of Kent's reply, that essentially you're asking to put multiple things in a box that only holds one thing, ie it's the same as asking to have multiple code for a function, where a function has only one code. Of course, CLOS methods are exactly this capability ... Apr 29 1999 by Kelly Murray |
load-time-value
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp My parallel CL system compiled files in parallel by having three processes, a reader process which read the file, a compiler process that compiled the forms, and an assembler/output process that generated the output. This compiled files about 3 times faster than a single ... Apr 24 1999 by Kelly Murray |
Backquote syntax {}
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp Just thought I'd post the ACL code to implement the NiCLOS backquote syntax. A further idea is to replace `( zap {(zip 1 2)} with just `(zap {zip 1 2}) but this would be confused with a function call of no args, eg `(zap {zip}) which can be fixed by requiring the full paren form ... Apr 19 1999 by Kelly Murray |
Collecting/LOOP (was Re: Please help)
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp I think we've gone through this before... The COLLECT feature of LOOP is nice until you want something more complicated, like conditional collection, which then introduces loop conditionals, and all language hell breaks loose. I use push/nreverse all over, but a better ... Apr 8 1999 by Kelly Murray |
Implementing multiple return values
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp This sounds right, similiar to my implementation, (which I'm recalling from memory from 5-10 years ago..) In the approach outlined, I can see some complications in that the "mv-buffer" must be of static size, so it must be large to accomodate a large number of values, which ... Apr 5 1999 by Kelly Murray |
PROGN considered intrusive?
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp Christopher R. Barry wrote: Erik Naggum <e...@naggum.no> writes: ... I could easily get used to the {} forms [ ...] FWIW, here's my take on this. People have already complained about using the user-reserved "{" and "}", and this would for example make Kelly Murray's ... Mar 23 1999 by Kelly Murray |
`fast' global variables (Ex: Re: ??: using * for variable ?)
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp In my opinion, a Defconstant value should be immutable, so it can be placed in a read-only area, and thus can be shareable by multiple lisp images. What gain is there to allow mutability over a Defvar? Is their some particular problem with having a DefGlobal which ... Mar 23 1999 by Kelly Murray |
Discussion of Lisp implementations?
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp Howard R. Stearns wrote: .... I expect that countless Lisp implementations in the last 40 years have followed that pattern. I guess it's a truism which you never really believe when someone tells you its true, and that you just have to experience yourself by doing both ... Mar 19 1999 by Kelly Murray |
Representing Time
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp Kent M Pitman wrote: Kelly Murray <k...@IntelliMarket.Com> writes: In any case, my thoughts are to have two functions that return a non-consing integer time value, (current-date) and ( current-time), which seperates a date from the time within the date. (current-time) is a ... Mar 19 1999 by Kelly Murray |
Unwind-protect and exception handling
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp comp lang scheme Having spent a lot of time "bullet-proofing" code recently, it seems to me unwind-protect could use some help, or perhaps could be rolled into exception handling? Generally, my useage always seems to require knowing whether the protected form ... Mar 19 1999 by Kelly Murray |
Collecting EQL specialized methods.
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp Good example for showing why EQL specializers can be eliminated. To specialize a method for a specific instance doesn't make any sense to me, but it does make sense to specify a subclass for that instance, and specialize the method for the subclass. And given one ... Mar 18 1999 by Kelly Murray |
Core Lisp (was: explicit package markers (Ex: Re: cond and if....)
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp comp lang scheme Schol-R- LEA wrote: As Dick Gabriel pointed out years ago (for details see (http://www.ai. mit.edu/docs/articles//good-news/good-news.html), what is really needed is for the LISP community to reconsider how they use the language in the first place. Mar 15 1999 by Kelly Murray |
Idiom For Context Sensitive Dynamic Context:
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp Howard R. Stearns wrote: What is the Common Lisp idiom for executing a body of code in a dynamic context in which some parameter will be set, but only if it hasn't been already set? The Common Lisp idiom is probably using special variables, as in (defvar *warn* ) (let ... Mar 11 1999 by Kelly Murray |
Futures
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp A future is an object which represents a value that will exist in the future. (I don't know if futures trading on the stock market is related, but it may be..) The key to a future is that it may be manipulated as if it where the actual value in the future. Thus, it can be passed as ... Mar 11 1999 by Kelly Murray |
Why LISP shall overcome (was Re: Java...)
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp Reini Urban wrote: Francois -Rene Rideau <f...@ZhengHe.augustin.thierry> wrote: In an article recently published at a free software conference, http://www.tunes.org/~fare/articles/ll99/ index.en.html I argue that the fate of languages such as LISP, that integrate ... Mar 9 1999 by Kelly Murray |
FAQ for comp.lang.pop
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Arthur T. Murray uj...@victoria.tc.ca comp lang pop comp lang lisp comp lang prolog comp ai Aaron Sloman posted his URL ftp://ftp.cs.bham.ac.uk/pub/dist/ poplog/comp.lang.pop.newsgroup which I am glad to have so that I may link to it from http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/7256/pop.html which is my solicitation for ... Mar 7 1999 by Arthur T. Murray |
Backquote considered bizzare (was Re: loading Emacs-Lisp ...
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp do not destroy what makes lisp powerful. apart from appealing to your sense of what is pretty, how does {} and {}* fare as programming fodder? are they as easy to use in a program? One more, my coffee break is over, then back to work.. I am not destroying a key aspect of ... Mar 3 1999 by Kelly Murray |
Lisp routine for parsing email?
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp Frederick C. Gibson, Architect wrote: Is anyone aware of a lisp routine that would take a standard email message as input, and then parse the email into its various components such as body, date, author, etc, etc. ? Thanks, Fred Gibson, Architect This might help, then ... Feb 25 1999 by Kelly Murray |
Gtk+-bindings for Common Lisp?
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp CLUE is (was) the right approach, a bottom-up CLOS-layered toolkit for X-windows, though it has just enough abstraction to not be low-level like Xt. Too bad the majority of lisp vendors didn't further it and bet on the top-down CLIM monster instead. CLUE is tighly coupled ... Feb 19 1999 by Kelly Murray |
Local definitions without excessive syntax ?
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp I only spot-checked Kent response ;) but thought I'd add what is probably obvious about local definitions: 1 ) You know for certain the definition is not used elsewhere, and thus can change it at will. 2) The definition is visibly connected where it is used, important when ... Feb 16 1999 by Kelly Murray |
SCIGRAPH question
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp Where could i find SCIGRAPH ? Is it free? thanks, kelly murray k...@intellimarket.com Larry Hunter wrote: Any SCIGRAPH gurus out there? SCIGRAPH is a common lisp graphics package. I have a program that needs to generate hundreds of graphs and save them to ... Feb 10 1999 by Kelly Murray |
Sort is destructive (was Re: how to use nreverse?)
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp Christopher J. Vogt wrote: i see now that '(1 1) was not being copied but it got pointed to by acc. i see i can avoid the problem by using (list 1 1) or (copy-list '(1 1)). hmm that was subtle, but i am learning. Indeed it is subtle, and just about every Lisp programmer has been ... Feb 10 1999 by Kelly Murray |
Hemlock Editor
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Kelly Murray k...@www.intellimarket.com comp lang lisp [Seems my post didn't show up, I try again..] Does anyone have much experience using the CMUCL editor Hemlock, and how it compares with Gnu Emacs? Also, anyone try to get it working with another lisp other than CMUCL? such as ACL or CLISP? kelly murray ... Feb 7 1999 by Kelly Murray |
Doing the impossible (Re: Sharing of list elements in Common ...
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp I had a quote from Carl Mayes I put in my .sig a couple years ago: "Those who can see the invisible, can do the impossible." -Kelly Murray k...@intellimarket.com. Jan 28 1999 by Kelly Murray |
hashtable w/o keys stored...
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp A hashtable w/o keys isn't really a hashtable it seems to me. It's trivial to build such a thing that returns all values for the key: (defun make-keyless-hash () (make-array 20)) (defun gethash (key table) (aref table (mod (sxhash key) (length table))))) (defun sethash (value key ... Jan 14 1999 by Kelly Murray |
Need examples of implementing persistence via the MOP
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp Implementing persistent has about 10% to do with getting access to class implementation internals and slot accessors, which is what the MOP gets you. Persistent can be had very easily but very very inefficiently by saving the entire lisp image, as in dumplisp or ... Jan 11 1999 by Kelly Murray |
colouring identifiers (Ex: Re: Eli stuff)
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp Lyman S. Taylor wrote: ... To drop some Lisp into this thread there was a reference to a Steele talk about " growing a language". One benefit of Lisp was that you can add new "operations" that look just like the "primitives". I don't see the big win over highlighting the ... Jan 5 1999 by Kelly Murray |
Garbage hunting
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp Drew McDermott wrote: I often find myself wanting a tool that would allow me to find all the nongarbage that Lisp is refusing to collect. I have been using I'm not aware of such a tool, but something related which will tell you if indeed there is some unclaimed "garbage" is to ... Jan 4 1999 by Kelly Murray |
Far afield (was Re: OS wars and Lisp)
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp David Steuber The Interloper wrote: [ tons of wasted time on free software, no lisp written ] It can be interesting to hear a newbie's experiences, but clearly you've taking the long hard road to getting a lisp application developed. I recommend CLISP for lisp newbie's , it may ... Dec 23 1998 by Kelly Murray |
common utilities in CL
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp Hmm, I'd think just knowing a top-level form changed would be sufficient, but perhaps not if you want to merge two changes? The answer is clearly that one needs to actually use some kind of lisp-based "cvs" in practice to see what is useful and needed. -kelly murray. Dec 23 1998 by Kelly Murray |
Kernel for Lisp
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp Christopher: He mentioned " VM-level support". There's no way that using a specialized kernel is going to increase the speed of something like ACL, CMUCL or MCL by a factor of 2. I believe he was talking about something comparable to what the Java OS people are ... Dec 18 1998 by Kelly Murray |
The prototype is your product (was: The psychology of ...
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang smalltalk comp lang lisp Carl Gundel wrote: The issue that I meant to address is this mantra: "Just slap something together (make it work), and then your prototype is the product. Ship it. " This was an early theme of Digitalk's, and I've met a lot of Smalltalk programmers who ... Dec 18 1998 by Kelly Murray |
Strange LispOS dream.
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp Harvey J. Stein wrote: ... On the other hand, CMUCL compiles directly, so it might be easier to build it directly into the [linux] kernel. Any takers? Maybe Harvey J. Stein will do it ?? Dec 16 1998 by Kelly Murray |
Lisp source code as lists (rather than something richer)
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Kelly Murray k...@www.intellimarket.com comp lang lisp From: bothner@cygnus .com (Per Bothner) Array lengthening is on average O(1) (per element) if you do it right, (ie when it is full, double the space. (You *still* save space compared to linked lists!) This is a good point, that since linked lists take double the space of a ... Dec 12 1998 by Kelly Murray |
`cond', IF .. THEN .. ELSE syntax vx. IF, WHEN, and COND
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp Michael Tuchman wrote: Kelly Murray <k...@IntelliMarket.Com> writes: Lispyness appears to have at least one meaning: syntax represented only using parenthesis, and if you use even more than needed, so much the better. All I can say is the evidence is ... Dec 7 1998 by Kelly Murray |
Uppercasing symbols
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp Suppose that we had originally defined Lisp to be case sensitive >reading of symbols, which eliminates the historical issues, and allow me to assume for the sake of this mind experiment that we are not going to consider the fact we can distinguish PRINT in prose ... Dec 6 1998 by Kelly Murray |
Lisp users views on Smalltalk
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp Bob Manjoney wrote: the fact that source code in Smalltalk is not externalized in ASCII files, but rather managed by the image itself - IOW, you can't make source code changes in Smalltalk without going through the IDE, which, in turn, enforces compilation and linking ... Dec 1 1998 by Kelly Murray |
bit-reversal in Lisp?
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp Louis Glassy wrote: By "bit reversal", I mean: take the bits of a positive integer, reverse the bit pattern (left- padding with zeros to get the right total number of bits, which you know ahead of time), and out pops the bit-reversed value, another positive integer. .. My question for ... Nov 27 1998 by Kelly Murray |
Harlequin changing focus (was Re: changing focus...)
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp Gareth McCaughan wrote: James Hague wrote: The worst question of all is "What of note has been written in [language X]? For all the Java hype, there are few answers. And interestingly the same thing is true in the Lisp and Scheme and Forth worlds. What about that ... Nov 27 1998 by Kelly Murray |
Making executables with CMUCL
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp Daniel R Barlow wrote: In article <k7lwj6okj....@www.intellimarket.com>, Kelly Murray <kem@www. intellimarket.com> wrote: machines (>64MB RAM, >4GB Hard-drives _at the least_), even CMU CL's image (around 20MB) seems just tiny, and so IMHO it's not worth the ... Nov 27 1998 by Kelly Murray |
Do CLOS methods only dispatch on CLOS object types and ...
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp David Cooper wrote: Barry Margolin wrote: CLOS dispatches on classes, not types. What does CLASS-OF return for these objects? #<COMMON-LISP:BUILT-IN-CLASS EXCL::INSTANCE> This is a Flavor instance, not CLOS. Nov 25 1998 by Kelly Murray |
Uppercasing symbols
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp Let me ask you (and others) this, would you like file names to be case insensitive? Yes, I think it would be better if they were not case sensitive. The difference between makefile and Makefile is not a particularly welcomed distinction. Nor is README, Readme, ReadMe, ... Nov 24 1998 by Kelly Murray |
Why multiple dispatch in CLOS?
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp someone please educate me as to why multiple dispatch is necessary? Well, even objects aren't NECESSARY -- all of UNIX was written without them. Moreover, the Symbolics LispM OS was written using only single dispatch of Flavors as well. A good real- world example ... Nov 20 1998 by Kelly Murray |
LispOS, LispVM projects?
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp Back when I worked at the University of Florida, where I could could actually be paid to waste time working on non-profitable stuff, I proposed a "New Lisp Machine" to this newgroup. This was right when Linux started to come alive (I still have floppies with v97 kernels, and ... Nov 13 1998 by Kelly Murray |
MOP and update-instance-for-redefined-class
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp It's clear to me that an instance needs to be updated once for each structural change in the classes definition. It's a bug if this doesn't happen. Such a bug would not be much of a surprise. Now if the system could determine how to short-cut this updating into a single ... Nov 10 1998 by Kelly Murray |
dynamic redefinition of classes
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp franz comp lang lisp comp lang clos dynamic redefinition is traditionally been supported as a software development tool for Lisp. You don't have to restart and recompile the whole appliction while you debug/develop it. However, it turns out this feature is critical for a ... Nov 6 1998 by Kelly Murray |
Apply-macro?
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Kelly Murray k...@IntelliMarket.Com comp lang lisp Kent M Pitman wrote: Kelly Murray <k...@IntelliMarket.Com> writes: (loop for val in lst do (if val (return t)))) Actually, (loop for val in lst thereis val) is the OR thing, and (loop for val in lst always val) is the AND thing if you prefer to use loop. Use of fancy LOOP features is ... Nov 5 1998 by Kelly Murray |
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