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Mark Conrad NoSpamDam...@invalid.com comp lang lisp In article < 1109103783.896084.306...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, <toomas. altos...@hut.fi> wrote: I have practically no experience with any other Lisps except MCL so my comments are only a reflection on my ability to do work efficiently using ... Feb 23 2005 by Mark Conrad - 40 messages - 21 authors |
MCL for OS X worth the price?Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad NoSpamDam...@invalid.com comp lang lisp In article <
87acpxrb73....@plato.moon.paoloamoroso.it>, Paolo Amoroso <amoroso@
mclink.it> wrote: I surely wish I could find more _good_ recent books as "good" as
that fine old book. That's easy: Successful Lisp: How to Understand and Use
Common Lisp (it's ...
Feb 23 2005 by Mark Conrad - 40 messages - 21 authors
MCL for OS X worth the price?Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad NoSpamDam...@invalid.com comp lang lisp In article <
gqksm3ox02f....@europa.uio.no>, Tord Kallqvist Romstad <roms...@math.uio.
no> wrote: I don't even have the Classic environment installed on my Mac, but I
run MCL 5.0 without any problems. Thanks, I tried installing MCL 5.0 again from
scratch, and ...
Feb 23 2005 by Mark Conrad - 40 messages - 21 authors
MCL for OS X worth the price?Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad NoSpamDam...@invalid.com comp lang lisp In article <
raffaelcavallaro-0B5B7A.14005421022...@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
Raffael Cavallaro <raffaelcavallaro@pas-d'espam-s'il-vous-plait-dot-mac.com>
wrote: Any opinions one way or the other appreciated, before I goof and buy
more Digitool ...
Feb 23 2005 by Mark Conrad - 40 messages - 21 authors
MCL for OS X worth the price?Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad NoSpamDam...@invalid.com comp lang lisp In article <
xcvoeeegp4l....@conquest.OCF.Berkeley.EDU>, Thomas F. Burdick <tfb@
conquest.OCF.Berkeley.EDU> wrote: Back in 2002, Digitool was selling the MCL
4.3.x series, and clearly stated that it was not OS X native, but ran in compatability
mode. I bought ...
Feb 21 2005 by Mark Conrad - 40 messages - 21 authors
MCL for OS X worth the price?Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad NoSpamDam...@invalid.com comp lang lisp In article <
37slt4F5e9lt...@individual.net>, Ulrich Hobelmann <u.hobelm...@web.de>
wrote: What are your requirements to a Lisp IDE? I do not know that yet, I am just
returning to Lisp after a long absence, so have to review/update my Lisp
knowledge which ...
Feb 21 2005 by Mark Conrad - 40 messages - 21 authors
MCL for OS X worth the price?Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad NoSpamDam...@invalid.com comp lang lisp In article <
1108991442.073283.191...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, Joel
Reymont <joe...@gmail.com> wrote: LispWorks costs more then Digitool but I
had good experiences with it on the Mac. Objective-C bindings make developing
Cocoa apps easy.
Feb 21 2005 by Mark Conrad - 40 messages - 21 authors
MCL for OS X worth the price?Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad NoSpamDam...@invalid.com comp lang lisp In article <cvb978$
mf8$0...@news.t-online.com>, Andreas Thiele <nos...@nospam.com> wrote
: What, pray tell, do Lisp developers use nowadays to develop commercial
software when using a Mac. Do they still use MCL, or some other development ...
Feb 21 2005 by Mark Conrad - 40 messages - 21 authors
MCL for OS X worth the price?Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad NoSpamDam...@invalid.com comp lang lisp I am really confused
about MCL. Years ago I bought the MCL version that runs on a Mac. That version
was "created" on Friday, Nov-1st, 2002 at 4:38 PM. It was supposedly "version 5",
although the file itself was listed as version 5.5 In any event, that version will not
...
Feb 21 2005 by Mark Conrad - 40 messages - 21 authors
Any Reason MCL 5.0 Should Be Upgraded (or not)
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Mark Conrad NoSpamDam...@invalid.com comp lang lisp In article < m3oefie0w7....@javamonkey.com>, Peter Seibel <pe...@javamonkey.com> wrote: Another question - does MCL have any serious competition, or is it still the only game in town for the Macintosh? Far from it. Allegro Common Lisp and Lispworks also ... Jan 22 2005 by Mark Conrad - 12 messages - 8 authors |
Any Reason MCL 5.0 Should Be Upgraded (or not)Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad NoSpamDam...@invalid.com comp lang lisp I have not played
with MCL 5.0 from Digitool for years now. I realize that CL has been standardized
, which can be viewed as a virtue or a vice, depending on how one looks at it. I
notice that MCL is still at version 5.0, as it was in 2002 when I bought my copy.
Jan 22 2005 by Mark Conrad - 12 messages - 8 authors
Any users of Logo around? - Survey
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Mark Conrad NoSpamDam...@invalid.com comp lang lisp In article <cnbimv$ rs...@news.asu.edu>, Surendra Singhi <efuzzy...@netscape.net> wrote: Hi, I was just curious to know if how many lisp programmers here have learned logo when they were in grade school. Any random thoughts are also welcome. Nov 17 2004 by Mark Conrad - 25 messages - 18 authors |
New implementation: Emacs Common Lisp
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Mark Conrad NoSpamDam...@invalid.com comp lang lisp In article < 20040421181311.GL25...@mapcar.org>, Matthew Danish <mdanish@andrew. cmu.edu> wrote: You do know there are several free high-quality Common Lisp implementations, right? Well, yes, but I am concerned about their adherence to the CL ... Apr 21 2004 by Mark Conrad - 15 messages - 8 authors |
CL on OS X [Was: "The Little Lisper"]
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Mark Conrad NoSpamDam...@invalid.com comp lang lisp In article < tyfu102ziq9.fsf...@pcepsft001.cern.ch>, Jacek Generowicz <jacek.generowicz @cern.ch> wrote: Regarding the 'free' CL implementations - I'm afraid that I don't have any reliable information about their standard-compliance status. That is what mainly ... Apr 21 2004 by Mark Conrad - 122 messages - 47 authors |
New implementation: Emacs Common Lisp
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Mark Conrad NoSpamDam...@invalid.com comp lang lisp In article <barmar- 3442DA.22573919042...@comcast.ash.giganews.com>, Barry Margolin < bar...@alum.mit.edu> wrote: In order for Emacs Common Lisp to be able to call regular CL functions, an entire implementation of CL has to be resident in the computer ... Apr 21 2004 by Mark Conrad - 15 messages - 8 authors |
New implementation: Emacs Common LispGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad NoSpamDam...@invalid.com comp lang lisp In article <85vfjzcdxv.
f...@junk.nocrew.org>, Lars Brinkhoff <lars.s...@nocrew.org> wrote: Emacs
Common Lisp is an implementation of Common Lisp, written in Emacs Lisp. It's
not like Emacs' "CL" package as it does not intend to extend Emacs Lisp with ...
Apr 19 2004 by Mark Conrad - 15 messages - 8 authors
"The Little Lisper"
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Mark Conrad NoSpamDam...@invalid.com comp lang lisp In article < 030420041011537053%NOSPAMbmastenbNOS...@cs.indiana.edu>, Brian Mastenbrook <NOSPAMbmastenbNOS...@cs.indiana.edu> wrote: Just a quick thanks to you and all the others in this thread. I now am armed with lots of good advice ... Apr 4 2004 by Mark Conrad - 122 messages - 47 authors |
"The Little Lisper"Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad NoSpamDam...@invalid.com comp lang lisp In article <
20040402044420.GD22...@mapcar.org>, Matthew Danish <mdanish@andrew
.cmu.edu> wrote: Not that I am trying to stop you from [re-]learning Scheme, but I
don't see how it is related to [re-]learning Common Lisp. Hi Matthew, thanks for
responding.
Apr 2 2004 by Mark Conrad - 122 messages - 47 authors
"The Little Lisper"Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad NoSpamDam...@invalid.com comp lang lisp I am trying to relearn
CL after a loong absence, however am running into problems, need some advice
. Usually, I dive into 4 books: 1) The Little Lisper 2) The Little Schemer 3) The
Seasoned Schemer 4) SICP ...then revert to re-learning Common Lisp from
various ...
Apr 1 2004 by Mark Conrad - 122 messages - 47 authors
How to determine what is not possible in emacs?
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Mark Conrad NoSpamDam...@invalid.com comp lang lisp In article < 87r7vgzdgu....@wesley.springies.com>, Alan Shutko <a...@acm.org> wrote: I have the same version 21.2.1 in my OSX here, on a Mac "Pismo" powerbook. I understand this version of emacs was written way back in 1995. Where did you get that idea? Mar 27 2004 by Mark Conrad - 15 messages - 11 authors |
How to determine what is not possible in emacs?Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad NoSpamDam...@invalid.com comp lang lisp In article <87n065zfig
....@thalassa.informatimago.com>, Pascal Bourguignon <spam@thalassa.
informatimago.com> wrote: I've got emacs 21.2.1 on MacOSX 10.3.3. I have the
same version 21.2.1 in my OSX here, on a Mac "Pismo" powerbook. I understand
this ...
Mar 25 2004 by Mark Conrad - 15 messages - 11 authors
How to determine what is not possible in emacs?Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad NoSpamDam...@invalid.com comp lang lisp As a fun project, I
plan to start a project to create as many "workarounds" as possible for the ancient
version of emacs that is included with the latest Mac OS 10.3.3 That emacs does
not even have gensym. (ugh) I have heard that early 'dynamic' versions of Lisp ...
Mar 24 2004 by Mark Conrad - 15 messages - 11 authors
Newbie question about Lisp on Apple's 'Panther' OS
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Mark Conrad NoSpamDam...@invalid.com comp lang lisp In article < 120120040759101918%NOSPAMbmastenbNOS...@cs.indiana.edu>, Brian Mastenbrook <NOSPAMbmastenbNOS...@cs.indiana.edu> wrote: - and MCL 4.3.5, in Classic mode. I personally don't need the native support of the full version... In my ... Jan 13 2004 by Mark Conrad - 18 messages - 10 authors |
Newbie question about Lisp on Apple's 'Panther' OSGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad NoSpamDam...@invalid.com comp lang lisp In article <
87k73woohk....@plato.moon.paoloamoroso.it>, Paolo Amoroso <amoroso@
mclink.it> wrote: I keep telling school kids about Surveyor 3 in my astronomy
lessons Those were exciting days, long before the first humans landed on the
moon. Very primitive ...
Jan 13 2004 by Mark Conrad - 18 messages - 10 authors
Newbie question about Lisp on Apple's 'Panther' OSGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad NoSpamDam...@invalid.com comp lang lisp In article <slrnc02lj6.
ih8.la...@theclapp.ddts.net>, Larry Clapp <la...@theclapp.org> wrote: Lisp
certainly is a fun language, IMO. Wonder if anyone else in this forum has the
prime reason of "fun" as their main motivation for learning Lisp.
Jan 12 2004 by Mark Conrad - 18 messages - 10 authors
Newbie question about Lisp on Apple's 'Panther' OSGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad NoSpamDam...@invalid.com comp lang lisp In article <ff11f622.
0401102059.382aa...@posting.google.com>, Tyro <t...@yandex.ru> wrote: I
am running MCL5 under Mac OS X 10.3.2 and do not have any problems.
Thanks, that is good to hear. Mark-
Jan 12 2004 by Mark Conrad - 18 messages - 10 authors
Newbie question about Lisp on Apple's 'Panther' OSGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad NoSpamDam...@invalid.com comp lang lisp In article <A0oMb.
8771$bn7.7...@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>, mikel evins <mi...@evins.net
> wrote: I have the demo' version of MCL, and have been thinking of buying the
regular version... As far as I can tell the demo version of MCL works fine on
Panther.
Jan 12 2004 by Mark Conrad - 18 messages - 10 authors
Newbie question about Lisp on Apple's 'Panther' OSGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad NoSpamDam...@invalid.com comp lang lisp In article <btrp7f$dk7
$...@newsreader2.netcologne.de>, Pascal Costanza <costa...@web.de> wrote:
At least Digitool is still in business, and I guess Franz still makes a CL aimed at
Wintel hardware. I don't think Franz makes a Mac version, perhaps that has ...
Jan 12 2004 by Mark Conrad - 18 messages - 10 authors
Newbie question about Lisp on Apple's 'Panther' OSGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad NoSpamDam...@invalid.com comp lang lisp In article <
raffaelcavallaro-956E18.17423410012...@netnews.comcast.net>, Raffael
Cavallaro <raffaelcavall...@junk.mail.me.not.mac.com> wrote: In article <
100120040856597792%NoSpamDam...@invalid.com>, Mark Conrad ...
Jan 11 2004 by Mark Conrad - 18 messages - 10 authors
Newbie question about Lisp on Apple's 'Panther' OSGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad NoSpamDam...@invalid.com comp lang lisp 'scuse me folks for
wasting your time with dumb questions - Does anyone here use CL or Scheme
on Apple's newest operating system? (code-named "Panther", or OS 10.3.2) If so,
any problems? I have the demo' version of MCL, and have been thinking of
buying ...
Jan 10 2004 by Mark Conrad - 18 messages - 10 authors
understanding macros in lisp
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Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <costanza-250FC2. 01590029062...@news.netcologne.de>, Pascal Costanza <costa...@web.de > wrote: One of the best introductions to macros is Chapter 7 of Paul Graham's " On Lisp" that can be downloaded...<snipped>... Are the rumors correct that an ... Jun 29 2003 by Mark Conrad - 7 messages - 6 authors |
MCL 5.0 Final release received (at last!)
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Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <m3brxgm7ok.fsf@ validus.delamancha.org>, Jon Allen Boone <ipmon...@delamancha.org> wrote: Received my MCL 5.0 CD in the mail today. Has anyone else received their's yet ? Yes, but I am afraid to open the package ;-) Right now I am involved in learning ... Jun 4 2003 by Mark Conrad - 2 messages - 2 authors |
Giving Up! (was "UNWIND_PROTECT in Scheme")
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Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <d6il4cjy.fsf@ccs. neu.edu>, Joe Marshall <j...@ccs.neu.edu> wrote: because when I want my toplevel non-special variable %cont% to have a value of 'foo - - then I want it to stay that way until I myself change it - - - eval-when does not allow that to happen, my 'foo ... May 15 2003 by Mark Conrad - 19 messages - 5 authors |
Giving Up! (was "UNWIND_PROTECT in Scheme")Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <vAswa.6876$PO3.
1...@news01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net>, Franz Kafka < @> wrote: ...lots of good
advice... I am not too interested in breaking out to toplevel for debugging
purposes, only to stop the program under program-control, and print a "canned"
message.
May 14 2003 by Mark Conrad - 19 messages - 5 authors
Giving Up! (was "UNWIND_PROTECT in Scheme")Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <CDrwa.6867$Lp3.
2...@news01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net>, Franz Kafka < @> wrote: Try Reading--
Peter Novig's Paradigms of Artificial Intelligence Programming. It has the source
in CL for a Scheme comp. that supports continuations. It's not easy reading;
however, ...
May 14 2003 by Mark Conrad - 19 messages - 5 authors
Giving Up! (was "UNWIND_PROTECT in Scheme")Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <sfwsmrhlhg4.fsf@
shell01.TheWorld.com>, Kent M Pitman <pit...@world.std.com> wrote:
Common Lisp has no such command. Whoops! - thanks for alerting me to that,
well back to the drawing board for me. I guess (toplevel) has to be an
implementation thing ...
May 14 2003 by Mark Conrad - 19 messages - 5 authors
Giving Up! (was "UNWIND_PROTECT in Scheme")Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <
140520030729105542%nos...@iam.invalid>, Mark Conrad <nospam@iam.
invalid> wrote: My code was broken. Apparently I made a bad newbie mistake of
some sort, because the returned answer to the addition function was an incorrect
value of 27.
May 14 2003 by Mark Conrad - 19 messages - 5 authors
Giving Up! (was "UNWIND_PROTECT in Scheme")Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <
130520031400586351%nos...@iam.invalid>, Mark Conrad <nospam@iam.
invalid> wrote: Anyhow, onwards and upwards to my Big Newbie Problem, the
one that broke my back and caused me to Give Up. Giving up on one small
aspect of using continuations ...
May 14 2003 by Mark Conrad - 19 messages - 5 authors
Giving Up! (was "UNWIND_PROTECT in Scheme")Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <sfwy91ams0c.fsf@
shell01.TheWorld.com>, Kent M Pitman <pit...@world.std.com> wrote: I did a
Google search for "Conrad trivial" in posts by me, and found no such post, so I'm
not sure what this is about. I seriously doubt I made such an assertion since in .
May 13 2003 by Mark Conrad - 19 messages - 5 authors
Giving Up! (was "UNWIND_PROTECT in Scheme")Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp (Willaim D. Clinger observed
in another thread): Recall that this conversation started when someone used call/
cc as an example of excessive expressive power. Kent didn't accept that
argument. He tried to argue instead that call/cc and dynamic-wind have
insufficient ...
May 13 2003 by Mark Conrad - 19 messages - 5 authors
Recreational Common Lisp :)
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Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <sfwn0hup057.fsf@ shell01.TheWorld.com>, Kent M Pitman <pit...@world.std.com> wrote: define- symbol-macro does not generate "read macros". Sorry, a wrong assumption on my part. ? I haven't been following this thread. Probably with special variables and ... May 11 2003 by Mark Conrad - 80 messages - 28 authors |
Recreational Common Lisp :)Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <sfwwugzrmqo.fsf@
shell01.TheWorld.com>, Kent M Pitman <pit...@world.std.com> wrote: The
only "reliable" variables that ANSI seems able to create at toplevel are "special"
variables. (dynamic variables) Just not built in. Anyway, it can be added EASILY
as an ...
May 10 2003 by Mark Conrad - 80 messages - 28 authors
Recreational Common Lisp :)Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <u7d6ist8um.fsf@
snapdragon.csl.sri.com>, Fred Gilham <gil...@snapdragon.csl.sri.com> wrote:
The problem is that setq at the top level wasn't undefined in pre-ANSI lisp. Here is
the stuff from CLTL2 , which was a revision of CLTL1 that tried to take some of the
...
May 10 2003 by Mark Conrad - 80 messages - 28 authors
Recreational Common Lisp :)Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <m34r446rot.fsf@
Frisell.localdomain>, <hd...@prairieinet.net> wrote: But undefined behavior is
defined in the specification of Common Lisp, specifically in section 1.4.2. and
perhaps elsewhere. http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/01_db.
htm ...
May 10 2003 by Mark Conrad - 80 messages - 28 authors
Recreational Common Lisp :)Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <8765okt7ok.fsf@
verizon.net>, David Steuber <david.steu...@verizon.net> wrote: My Mac,
running OS 10.2.4 (so-called "OS X") - froze up when I was using the
downloadable version. That is the first time in six months that OS X froze on
anything. You should go ...
May 10 2003 by Mark Conrad - 80 messages - 28 authors
Recreational Common Lisp :)Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <1fup01n.
aprga06nkpplN%mich...@bcect.com>, Michael Sullivan <mich...@bcect.com>
wrote: What you don't seem to realize is that you don't need to know this stuff in
great detail to use CL. Oh I realize that. It is just that I am using CL strictly for
recreation, so I ...
May 10 2003 by Mark Conrad - 80 messages - 28 authors
Recreational Common Lisp :)Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <1fuoyh8.
1dv9wojx4djcxN%mich...@bcect.com>, Michael Sullivan <mich...@bcect.com
> wrote: Using undefined behavior only makes sense when...<snipped>... Okay, I
am finally convinced that using "Undefined behavior" is a Bad-Thing. Thanks to
all who beat ...
May 9 2003 by Mark Conrad - 80 messages - 28 authors
Recreational Common Lisp :)Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <87znlwrs42.fsf@
verizon.net>, David Steuber <david.steu...@verizon.net> wrote: The other times
were worse. Some bit of memory could get corrupted and a crash may or may not
occur at some indefinate time in the future. Debug that. I am gradually (finally!) ...
May 9 2003 by Mark Conrad - 80 messages - 28 authors
Recreational Common Lisp :)Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <d6isxid4.fsf@ccs.
neu.edu>, Joe Marshall <j...@ccs.neu.edu> wrote: No one here has yet
presented a valid case for not using "undefined behavior". You yourself have
presented the *most* valid argument for not using undefined behavior: It isn't
guaranteed to ...
May 9 2003 by Mark Conrad - 80 messages - 28 authors
Recreational Common Lisp :)Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <costanza-89110C.
23573008052...@news.netcologne.de>, Pascal Costanza <costa...@web.de
> wrote: My Mac, running OS 10.2.4 (so-called "OS X") - froze up when I was
using the downloadable version. That is the first time in six months that OS X
froze on ...
May 9 2003 by Mark Conrad - 80 messages - 28 authors
Recreational Common Lisp :)Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <87el392ir5.fsf@bird.
agharta.de>, Edi Weitz <e...@agharta.de> wrote: Or you can buy a copy of CLtL2
and "convert" it to ANSI CL: <http://bc19191.home.attbi.com/cltl2-ansi.htm>. (Of
course this is not the same as the ANSI spec but it's a good start and you'll most ...
May 9 2003 by Mark Conrad - 80 messages - 28 authors
Recreational Common Lisp :)Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <m33cjp82ky.fsf@
javamonkey.com>, Peter Seibel <pe...@javamonkey.com> wrote: You can also
buy a PDF of the ANSI spec from INICTS for a mere $18 and however long it
takes to download (it's pretty big.) The license allows you to make a "copy" for "
backup" ...
May 9 2003 by Mark Conrad - 80 messages - 28 authors
Recreational Common Lisp :)Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <EXzua.5533$sS6.
5...@news02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net>, Franz Kafka < @> wrote: I think asking him
if he'd jump off a bridge with Paul Garham was going a little too far. He already
decided that he's going to write his program--I think we should help him. I would
...
May 9 2003 by Mark Conrad - 80 messages - 28 authors
Recreational Common Lisp :)Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <b9eucq$9s5$1@
otis.netspace.net.au>, Coby Beck <cb...@mercury.bc.ca> wrote: Ignoring what
you don't want to hear is not a good way to learn anything, nor is it the most
common way. I know it is a tendency we all share, but fight it, don't boast about it!
May 9 2003 by Mark Conrad - 80 messages - 28 authors
Recreational Common Lisp :)Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <skzua.5525$qH6.
2...@news02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net>, Franz Kafka < @> wrote: If the code works,
undefined or not, use it. :) I intend to, as a learning vehicle. Thanks very much for
your kindly post. Such posts are becoming so rare lately that I am really learning
...
May 9 2003 by Mark Conrad - 80 messages - 28 authors
Recreational Common Lisp :)Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <b9dm5g$59t09$1@
midnight.cs.hut.fi>, Nikodemus Siivola <tsiiv...@kekkonen.cs.hut.fi> wrote: How
many times have people explained this to you? I've lost count. Grahams book
was published *before* there was an ANSI standard. I am well aware of that.
May 8 2003 by Mark Conrad - 80 messages - 28 authors
Recreational Common Lisp :)Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <b9deds$o5m$1@
f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de>, Pascal Costanza <costa...@web.de> wrote:
Section 1.5 of the HyperSpec tells you _exactly_ what you can and must not
assume with regard to portability of your programs across conforming
implementations.
May 8 2003 by Mark Conrad - 80 messages - 28 authors
Recreational Common Lisp :)Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <20030508063523.
A20...@mapcar.org>, Matthew Danish <mdan...@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote: So
if Paul Graham jumped off the Brooklyn Bridge, you would do so too? Darn tootin'
, I would be right behind him. We would both gracefully glide down to earth on ...
May 8 2003 by Mark Conrad - 80 messages - 28 authors
Recreational Common Lisp :)Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <lyd6it63bq.fsf@
cartan.de>, Nils Goesche <car...@cartan.de> wrote: Heh. Looks like a bug to in
MCL to me. Anything is possible in that piece of code. I will take the easy way out
and use eval-when, as long as it works: ...
May 8 2003 by Mark Conrad - 80 messages - 28 authors
Recreational Common Lisp :)Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <xcv8ytiw6uz.fsf@
conquest.OCF.Berkeley.EDU>, Thomas F. Burdick <t...@conquest.OCF.Berkeley.
EDU> wrote: Hi Nils, thanks for the post, I can use all the help I can get :) Not that
you listen. Oh I listen. If what you write has merit, I listen very closely. If what you
...
May 8 2003 by Mark Conrad - 80 messages - 28 authors
Recreational Common Lisp :)Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <87el3apd5y.fsf@
darkstar.cartan>, Nils Goesche <n...@cartan.de> wrote: ...lotsa interesting stuff...
I could not locate the example I was looking for about define-symbol-macro
breaking, so I whiped up another example quickly. It is not as good an example
because ...
May 7 2003 by Mark Conrad - 80 messages - 28 authors
Recreational Common Lisp :)Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <87el3apd5y.fsf@
darkstar.cartan>, Nils Goesche <n...@cartan.de> wrote: (define-symbol-macro *
cont* #'identity) Nils, that by itself, without the help of "eval-when", broke on me.
Give me a little time and I will find my notes about the specific situation where it
broke ...
May 7 2003 by Mark Conrad - 80 messages - 28 authors
Recreational Common Lisp :)Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <87el3apd5y.fsf@
darkstar.cartan>, Nils Goesche <n...@cartan.de> wrote: ? (eval-when (:load-
toplevel :execute) (setf (symbol-value '%cont%) (lambda (&rest args) (if (cdr args)
args (car args)) ))) I do not have the slightest idea what you are trying to do here,
but I ...
May 7 2003 by Mark Conrad - 80 messages - 28 authors
Recreational Common Lisp :)Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <
060520031307021934%nos...@iam.invalid>, Mark Conrad <nospam@iam.
invalid> wrote: ...some erroneous stuff... Here is the *CORRECTED* version of
Paul Graham's "six macros" code from his 1994 "On Lisp" book Joe Marshall
kindly pointed out that some ...
May 7 2003 by Mark Conrad - 80 messages - 28 authors
Recreational Common Lisp :)Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <8ytjddkd.fsf@ccs.
neu.edu>, Joe Marshall <j...@ccs.neu.edu> wrote: You will have some strange
behavior in the edge cases. AAARG !!! - I already ran into a lot of those "edge
cases" :-( Your "eval-when" suggestion really came to my rescue. Now code
works as I ...
May 7 2003 by Mark Conrad - 80 messages - 28 authors
Recreational Common Lisp :)Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <8ytjddkd.fsf@ccs.
neu.edu>, Joe Marshall <j...@ccs.neu.edu> wrote: ;; Another change I made was
to use "=setq" to ensure that %cont% ;; does not act like a dynamically-scoped
variable. Well.... it definitely won't behave like a dynamically scoped variable, but
it ...
May 7 2003 by Mark Conrad - 80 messages - 28 authors
Recreational Common Lisp :)Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <
060520030623188998%nos...@iam.invalid>, Mark Conrad <nospam@iam.
invalid> wrote: ...lotsa strange stuff...<g> Notice that we have succeeded in
demonstrating continuations in CL by using only two of Paul Graham's six macros
. ( "=bind" and "=values") It ...
May 6 2003 by Mark Conrad - 80 messages - 28 authors
Recreational Common Lisp :)Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <zkPta.4644$kF3.
3...@news02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net>, Franz Kafka < @> wrote: When I stated
learning C at my Community College I realized how lucky I was for choosing Lisp.
I could do a lot in Lisp that I couldn't even approch in C--when I tried to rewrite
some ...
May 6 2003 by Mark Conrad - 80 messages - 28 authors
Recreational Common Lisp :)Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <
060520030623188998%nos...@iam.invalid>, Mark Conrad <nospam@iam.
invalid> wrote: Anyone interested in playing with this, let me know and I will post
the macros and a bit of other code along with them. Here are Paul Graham's six
macros from his "On ...
May 6 2003 by Mark Conrad - 80 messages - 28 authors
Recreational Common Lisp :)Group: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp After many years of absence, I
am rediscovering CL. When I did play with Lisp back in the early 90's, it was
strictly as a newbie. I have no interest in becoming productive, just wanna have
fun. Among other shiny ornaments on the Common-Lisp tree, there are "
continuations" ...
May 6 2003 by Mark Conrad - 80 messages - 28 authors
Implementation Favoritism, a question of Lisp mindsets
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Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <u7r87ehjx0.fsf@ snapdragon.csl.sri.com>, Fred Gilham <gil...@snapdragon.csl.sri.com> wrote: That also makes it possible to think of a binding as a place that can have values stuffed in it. Regardless of what people say, this is the way to think about it that ... May 5 2003 by Mark Conrad - 262 messages - 64 authors |
Implementation Favoritism, a question of Lisp mindsetsGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <gat-
0305031249530...@192.168.1.51>, Erann Gat <g...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: I
feel that if I could understand the subtle differences between the meanings of "
binding" and "value", that might have something to do with figuring out why the
above example code ...
May 4 2003 by Mark Conrad - 262 messages - 64 authors
Implementation Favoritism, a question of Lisp mindsetsGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <costanza-
737264.15343803052...@news.netcologne.de>, Pascal Costanza <costanza
@web.de> wrote: Now, where is that guy who made a statement a few days ago
to the effect that a closure preserves the bindings, not the values. To me they
seem to be ...
May 4 2003 by Mark Conrad - 262 messages - 64 authors
Implementation Favoritism, a question of Lisp mindsetsGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <u7wuh8gicn.fsf@
snapdragon.csl.sri.com>, Fred Gilham <gil...@snapdragon.csl.sri.com> wrote: I
think what's screwing you up is the idea of "extent". Yes, and I know better, I use
interdependent closures all the time here, where one closure modifies the shared
...
May 4 2003 by Mark Conrad - 262 messages - 64 authors
Implementation Favoritism, a question of Lisp mindsetsGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <873cjvwtxi.fsf@cs.
uga.edu>, Ed L Cashin <ecas...@uga.edu> wrote: After all, after newbies read
confusing books, this is where they'll come. You got that right! I know all the help
in this NG will make it easier for me when it comes to understanding the books.
May 4 2003 by Mark Conrad - 262 messages - 64 authors
Implementation Favoritism, a question of Lisp mindsetsGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <87y91nvcv7.fsf@cs.
uga.edu>, Ed L Cashin <ecas...@uga.edu> wrote: Bindings aren't just lisp
things. For each person "p" in the empty room, comb the hair of p. In that case, the
name p is bound inside the directive, "comb the hair of p." What that means is just
...
May 4 2003 by Mark Conrad - 262 messages - 64 authors
Implementation Favoritism, a question of Lisp mindsetsGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <m38ytngvl4.fsf@
javamonkey.com>, Peter Seibel <pe...@javamonkey.com> wrote: I think I need
to recant, or at least rethink, this explanation. Because the way I wanted to
understand "binding", "bind", "bound", and "unbound" doesn't fit with the definiton
of ...
May 4 2003 by Mark Conrad - 262 messages - 64 authors
Implementation Favoritism, a question of Lisp mindsetsGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <u7wuh8gicn.fsf@
snapdragon.csl.sri.com>, Fred Gilham <gil...@snapdragon.csl.sri.com> wrote:
But, as you saw, the binding for X can still be accessed by the functions in the
closure that captured them, because the binding has infinite extent. Yes, I am
going to ...
May 3 2003 by Mark Conrad - 262 messages - 64 authors
Implementation Favoritism, a question of Lisp mindsetsGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <b90lis$556cg$1@
midnight.cs.hut.fi>, Nikodemus Siivola <tsiiv...@kekkonen.cs.hut.fi> wrote:
Learn how to walk before you start running. Naw, that is no fun. Once I learn how
to run, learning walking will be easy ;-) Binding is a box. Value is something
inside the ...
May 3 2003 by Mark Conrad - 262 messages - 64 authors
Implementation Favoritism, a question of Lisp mindsetsGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <costanza-6A0E31.
12442903052...@news.netcologne.de>, Pascal Costanza <costa...@web.de
> wrote: See for example the entry for binding in the glossary section of the
HyperSpec Thanks very much for digging up that reference in the HyperSpec.
Thanks ...
May 3 2003 by Mark Conrad - 262 messages - 64 authors
Implementation Favoritism, a question of Lisp mindsetsGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <costanza-
737264.15343803052...@news.netcologne.de>, Pascal Costanza <costanza
@web.de> wrote: And PLEASE: It's not very constructive that you don't follow the
links people provide to you. See http://www.psg.com/~dlamkins/sl/contents.html,
especially ...
May 3 2003 by Mark Conrad - 262 messages - 64 authors
Implementation Favoritism, a question of Lisp mindsetsGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <
l5mdnd6LqsfXRC6jXTW...@dls.net>, Paul F. Dietz <di...@dls.net> wrote: No,
(let (x) ...) is equivalent to (let ((x nil)) ...). Yeah, I found that out after I had already
posted. :-( Mark-
May 3 2003 by Mark Conrad - 262 messages - 64 authors
Implementation Favoritism, a question of Lisp mindsetsGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <878ytnyjvh.fsf@cs.
uga.edu>, Ed L Cashin <ecas...@uga.edu> wrote: Pascal Costanza <costanza
@web.de> writes: See for example the entry for binding in the glossary section of
the HyperSpec: binding n. an association between a name and that which the ...
May 3 2003 by Mark Conrad - 262 messages - 64 authors
Implementation Favoritism, a question of Lisp mindsetsGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <b90lu1$556cg$2@
midnight.cs.hut.fi>, Nikodemus Siivola <tsiiv...@kekkonen.cs.hut.fi> wrote:
FWIW, all SICP had about bindings was a general statement on page 184 that
bindings associated values with variables. Which is excatly what they do. And all
they do ...
May 3 2003 by Mark Conrad - 262 messages - 64 authors
Implementation Favoritism, a question of Lisp mindsetsGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <7gwuh87ert.fsf@
gnufans.net>, Thien-Thi Nguyen <t...@glug.org> wrote: but you don't yet
understand their relationship This is the code that worries me, someone posted it
a few days ago. (let ((x 1)) (defun x () x) (defun set-x (new) (setf x new))) ? (x) 1 ? (
set-x 3) ?
May 3 2003 by Mark Conrad - 262 messages - 64 authors
Implementation Favoritism, a question of Lisp mindsetsGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <7gwuh87ert.fsf@
gnufans.net>, Thien-Thi Nguyen <t...@glug.org> wrote: Mark Conrad wrote: After
reading your post, I did some experimenting: ? (let (x) (setq x 5) x) 5 The (x) in the
let-form above creates a "binding" for x. (whatever the heck a "binding" is) The ...
May 3 2003 by Mark Conrad - 262 messages - 64 authors
Implementation Favoritism, a question of Lisp mindsetsGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <costanza-6A0E31.
12442903052...@news.netcologne.de>, Pascal Costanza <costa...@web.de
> wrote: See for example the entry for binding in the glossary section of the
HyperSpec: binding n. an association between a name and that which the name
...
May 3 2003 by Mark Conrad - 262 messages - 64 authors
Implementation Favoritism, a question of Lisp mindsetsGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <slrnbb5ses.on.
Gareth.McCaug...@g.local>, Gareth McCaughan <Gareth.McCaughan@pobox
.com> wrote: ...<snipped>...environment consists of the bindings of X and Y. Note:
the bindings, not the values. Thank you, thank you, you are the first person who ...
May 2 2003 by Mark Conrad - 262 messages - 64 authors
Implementation Favoritism, a question of Lisp mindsetsGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <u7k7d8hqe8.fsf@
snapdragon.csl.sri.com>, Fred Gilham <gil...@snapdragon.csl.sri.com> wrote:
Backing up a little, Mark wrote: ...lotsa stuff, some of it wrong... Now why can't
everyone in this NG be as non-judgemental as you are. Very fine post you crafted
, ...
May 2 2003 by Mark Conrad - 262 messages - 64 authors
Implementation Favoritism, a question of Lisp mindsetsGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <861xzh4oew.fsf@
bogomips.optonline.net>, Marc Spitzer <mspit...@optonline.net> wrote: ...<
snipped>...is designed to piss people off...<snipped>... A dangling point remains
to be addressed before I leave this NG. Thanks to the unknown poster who
contributed ...
May 2 2003 by Mark Conrad - 262 messages - 64 authors
Implementation Favoritism, a question of Lisp mindsetsGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <ey3he8du9kf.fsf@
cley.com>, Tim Bradshaw <t...@cley.com> wrote: * Fred Gilham wrote: (For the
humor impaired, the above is ENTIRELY tongue-in-cheek!) Now come on, you
know that's not true. You were in the room when we voted to dispatch the
helicopters.
May 2 2003 by Mark Conrad - 262 messages - 64 authors
Implementation Favoritism, a question of Lisp mindsetsGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <86fznyurn4.fsf@
bogomips.optonline.net>, Marc Spitzer <mspit...@optonline.net> wrote: They
correct me, and I learn. Well just consider this another correction. I do, thanks for
taking the time and effort. I can see be the general tone of the responses lately
that I ...
May 2 2003 by Mark Conrad - 262 messages - 64 authors
Implementation Favoritism, a question of Lisp mindsetsGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <ey3vfwuepjf.fsf@
cley.com>, Tim Bradshaw <t...@cley.com> wrote: You *really* need to go away
and do some serious reading, because you are making yourself look (no: you
have made yourself look) a fool. Reading does not resolve the issues being
discussed ...
May 1 2003 by Mark Conrad - 262 messages - 64 authors
Implementation Favoritism, a question of Lisp mindsetsGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <m3n0i6k8wz.fsf@
javamonkey.com>, Peter Seibel <pe...@javamonkey.com> wrote: Is relying on "
define-symbol-macro" going to get me into trouble down the road, in your
estimation. I'd say yes. Until you get a deeper understanding of what macros,
variables, ...
May 1 2003 by Mark Conrad - 262 messages - 64 authors
Implementation Favoritism, a question of Lisp mindsetsGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <wuhaehv7.fsf@ccs.
neu.edu>, Joe Marshall <j...@ccs.neu.edu> wrote: Then you must think that
there is a binding over which TEST is closed. But the function TEST does not
refer to any bound variables. Therefore it is not a closure. True, so far as your
reasoning ...
May 1 2003 by Mark Conrad - 262 messages - 64 authors
Implementation Favoritism, a question of Lisp mindsetsGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <slrnbatghf.on.
Gareth.McCaug...@g.local>, Gareth McCaughan <Gareth.McCaughan@pobox
.com> wrote: What (define-symbol-macro x <something>) means is: textually
substitute <something> for X every time it appears. (Well, almost. That doesn't
happen in ...
May 1 2003 by Mark Conrad - 262 messages - 64 authors
Implementation Favoritism, a question of Lisp mindsetsGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <m3r87loheb.fsf@
javamonkey.com>, Peter Seibel <pe...@javamonkey.com> wrote: (defun test () x
)) We know that running the closure function (test) will return 2 This isn'ta closure
since X is not a variable. It's a macro. When you evaluated the DEFUN form X
was ...
May 1 2003 by Mark Conrad - 262 messages - 64 authors
Implementation Favoritism, a question of Lisp mindsetsGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <ade9h08q.fsf@ccs.
neu.edu>, Joe Marshall <j...@ccs.neu.edu> wrote: Woah, leave symbol macros
out of it. What that says is that BEFORE any evaluation happens, textually
substitute a 2 for X. Okay, I got several posts that enlighted me about what ...
Apr 29 2003 by Mark Conrad - 262 messages - 64 authors
Implementation Favoritism, a question of Lisp mindsetsGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <slrnbaseub.on.
Gareth.McCaug...@g.local>, Gareth McCaughan <Gareth.McCaughan@pobox
.com> wrote: x is obviously a lexically scoped variable, because if we change its
value then there is no effect on our closure function "test" No, X is not a lexically ...
Apr 29 2003 by Mark Conrad - 262 messages - 64 authors
Implementation Favoritism, a question of Lisp mindsetsGroup: comp.lang.lisp
Mark Conrad nos...@iam.invalid comp lang lisp In article <m3r87loheb.fsf@
javamonkey.com>, Peter Seibel <pe...@javamonkey.com> wrote:...a whole
bunch of good points. Thanks, it is going to take a while for all this to sink in. BTW,
thanks for your second follow-up post clarifying some points you brought up in
your first ...
Apr 29 2003 by Mark Conrad - 262 messages - 64 authors
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