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WONG is Right! Jews support abortion - the evidence is overwhelming! (Re: More Jewish Support of Butchery Known as Abortion <> Jewish Community Relations Council >)

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Doc Tavish

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Apr 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/29/98

>irgun1943 wrote:
>>
>> Milton,
>> Have you lost your senses? What does abortion have to do with the
>> Israel newsgroup? It's like complaining about the cost of Chow Mein in my
>> city and posting in the Mainland China newsgroup! Well, I guess the white
>> American people have made you as stupid as they are.
>> irgun1943

>It's just a way for them to get a bigger toehold on hating Jewish
>people.

But if it is all true should we just ignore it because it is about
Jews? Should we always give them Carte Blanche to hide all of their
wicked deeds? I say NO. Most all that follows comes from Jews
themselves- try denying it!

>I don't buy his bilge,
>not many people do.
>
>--
>Murray

Why did you delete the details then? Afraid to have the claims in view
to be compared with yours?

Milton Wong did write:

Doc Tavish wrote:

> Jewish Community Relations Council
>
> http://www.jcrc.org/main/women.htm
>
> "JCRC firmly endorses the right of women to reproductive choice. We
> are concerned about the new-found strength of abortion opponents in
> Congress."
>
> "Long supportive of a woman's legal right to reproductive choice, JCRC
> opposes legislation, citizen initiatives and other measures that seek
> to weaken the guarantees of a woman's right and access to reproductive
> services."
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Their own words people!

According to a recent survey, 90% of American Jews are "pro-choice"
(pro-abortion). Many Jewish organizations, including the
"Anti-Defamation League" (ADL), the "Jewish Community Relations
Council" (see above), the "Jewish Women International", and the
"Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism" support abortion. Many if
not most abortionists are Jews.

The Jews support babykilling, and then they complain about
"anti-semitism" when someone criticizes them for that. It is not
"anti-semitism"- it is the truth!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I, Doc Tavish, had previously posted:

http://x5.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=336153831
" More Jewish Support of Butchery Known as Abortion <> Jewish
Community Relations Council >"

Jewish Community Relations Council

http://www.jcrc.org/main/women.htm

"JCRC firmly endorses the right of women to reproductive choice. We
are concerned about the new-found strength of abortion opponents in
Congress."

"Long supportive of a woman's legal right to reproductive choice, JCRC
opposes legislation, citizen initiatives and other measures that seek
to weaken the guarantees of a woman's right and access to reproductive
services."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Their own words people!

~~~~~~~ End of Archive ~~~~~~~~

More about (N)JCRC's political agenda:

http://www.aish.org/dt-liber.htm

Society:
Where Judaism and Liberalism Part

by Rabbi Nachum Braverman
Aish HaTorah Los Angeles

It’s often considered axiomatic that Jews are politically liberal.
This impression has some basis in fact. In 1991, the National Jewish
Community Relations Council (NJCRC) identified the public agenda of
the Jewish community as activism on behalf of Israel, and Soviet and
Ethiopian Jewry, as well as "social and economic justice." ...

[ ... ]

Though many Jews are liberal this no more makes liberalism the Jewish
agenda than the prominence of Jews among Bolsheviks made Bolshevism
the Jewish agenda.

~~~~~~ END ~~~~~~

Notice the key part just above: ".... the prominence of Jews among
Bolsheviks..." What does this tell you about the little murderous
bastards even though the Rabbi did say: "Though many Jews are liberal
this no more makes liberalism the Jewish agenda than the prominence of
Jews among Bolsheviks made Bolshevism the Jewish agenda."

The Jews were the leaders of the Bolsheviks Rabbi as stated by another
of your brethren:

http://www.jewishamerica.com/TimeLine/haskala.htm

to see (excerpt)

Haskala Jews splinter into several groups which are fueled by diverse
ideologies. Some form a culture group that is based upon a Jewish
language. Some form a Hebrew Haskala; others form a Yiddish Haskala.
Some make Russian culture and citizenship into an ideal. Others join
the growing number of people who are against social and economic
inequality. They join the struggle to obtain rights for the exploited
labor class, which turns into Socialism. Others will become Secular
Zionists. ^^^^^^^

The Czar exploits the break-offs. In their struggle against
traditional Judaism, Haskala Jews are given some privileges and
assistance, sometimes clandestinely. Some get influence in the Bureau
of Jewish Affairs and interfere with religious matters.....

A lot of Haskala Jews are ready to give up on Russia. Many channel
their energy into creating a home land of their own.

Some Haskala Jews turn to political revolution. The Russian Revolution
of the early 20th century will overthrow the Czarist government and it
will be led by a disproportionate number of Jews. The Czar that used
civil unrest against the Jews will be destroyed by it.

~~~~~~~~ End ~~~~~~~~~

Note again that www.jewishamerica.com actually admits: "The Russian
Revolution of the early 20th century will overthrow the Czarist
government and it will be led by a disproportionate number of Jews.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

More on Jewry supporting infanticide:

The Jewish Communication Network

http://www.jcn18.com/jsps/oct1995/page9.htm

Abortion: On the Line

http://x2.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=311967088

B'nai B'rith Women has been one of dozens of Jewish organizations that
have made their pro-choice stance publicly known and have rallied
around women's right to choose abortion. Here, activists participated
in the March for Women's Lives in Washington, D.C. in 1992.

Where Do Jewish Groups Stand?

By Udi Ofer, Staff Writer

NEW YORK - When it comes to eliminating clinic violence and protecting
abortion providers, the Jewish community seems to show its support. In
fact, most major Jewish organizations have passed resolutions and
position papers demonstrating such support.

"The American Jewish Congress is outraged that under the guise of
allegedly defending life, a religious zealot has taken the lives of
two dedicated Americans," read one statement after a 1994 incident of
clinic violence in Florida.

But while the Jewish community's leadership acknowledges the problem
of escalating clinic violence, it seems to lack action where it is
needed most, by playing passive in a brutal game. Why have Jewish
organizations adopted this policy of talk but no action, some
pro-choice activists wonder.

Jewish supporters of abortion access point to the new wave of
conservatism sweeping the United States as a result of last November's
Republican sweep. This wave is already drowning pro-choice victims,
like Dr. Henry Foster, whose nomination for Surgeon General was
defeated by Republicans in Congress mainly due his pro-choice stance.

Other victims in the political volleyball include women and their
doctors. According to testimony before the 103rd Congress between
April 1 and June 10, 1994, concerning the Freedom of Clinic Access
Bill, the number of death threats against clinics and abortion
providers have increased from eight incidents in 1992 to 78 in 1993.
These include only reported threats, and pro-choice advocates contend
that many violent crimes are unreported.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

http://www.rcrc.org/religion/es/judaism.html

Judaism and Abortion

By Rabbi Raymond A. Zwerin and Rabbi Richard J. Shapiro

The issue of abortion in Jewish life is both complex and
multi-faceted, with roots going back to the Bible. Its complexity is
due, in large measure, to the reluctance of Jewish legal authorities
to establish a single principle by which to determine the morality of
abortion. Within the context of an overriding Jewish concern for the
sanctity of human life, legal authorities have relied largely on
individual cases and derivative legal concepts in determining when an
abortion may take place. Especially during the past century, the
increased diversity of traditions and practices within the Jewish
community has naturally led to a diversity of approaches to the
abortion issue. Nonetheless, out of this complex diversity a clear,
general concept can be adduced from the centuries of Jewish tradition;
and, it is that concept which this article will address.

There are four aspects to the issue of abortion in Jewish tradition:

(1) the legal status of the embryo/fetus,
http://www.rcrc.org/religion/es/section1.html

"The Legal Status of the Embryo/Fetus
According to Jewish law, a fetus is not considered a full human being
and has no juridical personality of its own. While recognizing the
potentiality of becoming human, Rashi, the great 12th century
commentator on the Bible and Talmud, states clearly of the fetus "lav
nefesh hu--it is not a person." The Talmud contains the expression
"ubar yerech imo--the fetus is as the thigh of its mother," i.e., the
fetus is deemed to be part and parcel of the pregnant woman's body.
[...]
Jewish law is quite clear: while the fetus in the womb is to be
protected as a potential human being, it has no personhood; it is not
a bar kayamah (a viable, living being), thus, it is not accorded any
of the rights or privileges of a human being."
[excerpt]

(2) the time of ensoulment;
http://www.rcrc.org/religion/es/section2.html

"The Time of Ensoulment
While the status of a fetus is of interest with regard to the ultimate
question of the morality of abortion, so, too, is the issue of
ensoulment. Namely, at what moment does the soul enter the body? In
Jewish legal tradition, there are several theories. The most famous
text in this regard is from the Talmud and concerns a somewhat strange
dialogue between the Roman Emperor Antoninus and Rabbi Judah the
Patriarch, the compiler of the Mishna.[*]

Antoninus asked Rabbi Judah: 'From when is the neshamah (soul) endowed
in man: from the time of birth, or from the moment of intercourse?'
Rabbi Judah answered. `From the time of birth.' The Emperor then
asked. `Can meat remain three days without salt and not putrify?'"
[...]
The Rabbis were saying, in effect, that the moment of ensoulment is
unclear at best, and subject to a great deal of speculation and
disagreement. They state, therefore, that is one of the "secrets of
God" that will be revealed only when the Messiah comes. As a result,
the issue of ensoulment plays virtually no role in Jewish
considerations of the morality of abortion."
[excerpt]

(3) conditions under which a therapeutic abortion may take place; and
http://www.rcrc.org/religion/es/section3.html

"Conditions for Therapeutic Abortions
The issue of therapeutic abortion itself is first dealt with in a
second century Jewish legal text quoted in the Mishna.

If a woman is in hard labor (that threatens her life), one dismembers
the fetus within her and removes it limb by limb, because her life
takes precedence over its life. Once the greater part of it emerges it
may not be touched, for we do not set aside one life for another.

In commenting on this passage, later authorities further define the
phrase "the greater part of it." During a normal delivery, this refers
to the emergence of the forehead, while during a breach birth, this
means more than half the body.

There are two principles employed here to arrive at the conclusion
that the abortion is justified. The first and foremost of the two is
that the fetus remains only a potential human life until its emergence
from the birth canal. One must, therefore, sacrifice the potential
life in order to save a fully existent human life, i.e., the pregnant
woman in labor.

The second principle deals with the concept of self-defense. In Jewish
law, one is permitted to defend oneself, even to the extent of taking
the attacker's life should one's own life be in jeopardy. This point
was brought into the discussion on abortion when some authorities in
the Talmud challenged the prohibition stated above, of the taking of
the life of the now fully human child in order to save the life of its
mother. It was argued that the principle of the aggressor ought to
apply here. Since it was pursuing its mother with intent to kill one
should be permitted to kill if necessary, even the fetus whose greater
portion had already emerged.

This argument was rejected, however, in favor of a position that the
mother is being pursued "from Heaven;" i.e., that the difficulties she
is encountering are an act of God, and that it is impossible to know,
in reality, who is pursuing whom. The principle of pursuer and
self-defense, therefore, cannot be applied in the case of the child in
the process of being born and need not be applied prior to birth since
in that case the pursuer is not a person.

Nonetheless, in the legal code of Maimonides, the great Jewish sage of
the 13th century, the argument of the pursuer was used once again. In
commenting on the passage from the Mishna quoted above, and in stating
the rules governing abortion in his code, Maimonides utilizes the
pursuer justification, using the example of a boat about to sink from
its load. In order to lighten the load, a passenger without baggage
steps forward and proceeds to throw overboard the baggage and a mule
belonging to the others. Maimonides states that that person is not
liable for restitution to the owners, for the baggage and the mule are
pursuers, "seeking" to kill them all."
[excerpt]

(4) conditions under which a non-therapeutic abortion may take place.
http://www.rcrc.org/religion/es/section4.html

"Conditions for Non-Therapeutic Abortions

The guidelines for deciding cases of accidental and therapeutic
abortion, then, are reasonably clear-cut, even though there is some
disagreement concerning the proper justification. Such cannot be said
once one turns to the topic of a non-therapeutic abortion. Here the
relevant literature is the Responsa--questions written to and
responses written by rabbinic authorities from the 10th century to
today. It is also here that a divergence in opinion begins to emerge.
Such divergence is due initially to differing understandings of
Maimonides' use of the pursuer argument, cited above. Later, in the
19th and 20th centuries, it becomes part and parcel of the diversity
within Judaism itself as liberal streams of Jewish tradition and
observance emerge. There are many relevant Responsa concerning
abortion, several of which follow. In all of them, the principles are
those described above. Note, however, how different understandings of
these principles lead to different conclusions.

The first case concerns a child who is nursing and cannot survive
without his mother's milk, being allergic to all other forms of
nutrition. The mother, however, having become pregnant once again,
sees that her milk has now ceased flowing. Here, where the issue is
saving the life of a third party, as opposed to the pregnant woman
herself, two different authorities mandate the performance of an
abortion to save the life of the existing child.

Other cases emerge today as a result of a better understanding of
mental health issues. The question is whether or not suicidal
tendencies in a pregnant woman (tendencies that might, as a result of
the pregnancy itself, impel the woman to take her own life), justify
the performance of an abortion. In this case, even the most stringent
of authorities permit an abortion to save the life of the pregnant
woman.

In past centuries, many other circumstances have come before
rabbinical authorities, as well. One case involved a woman whose
pregnancy would leave her permanently deaf, and while some authorities
rejected this as sufficient grounds for an abortion, no less an
authority than a Chief Rabbi of Israel granted her permission.

In cases involving adultery, there is also a division of opinion. Some
invoke the principle of "let the fruit of the act bear witness to the
deed lest adultery flourish in the land." Others maintain that we must
do everything possible to save the pregnant woman from great mental
pain and anguish, shame being the greatest mental pain. And in several
cases involving rape, this latter principle seems to dominate, with
many authorities granting permission to take the steps necessary to
ensure that a pregnancy will not result

Yet, in the light of these cases, might one assume that abortion is
justifiable under any and all circumstances? The answer, according to
Jewish law, is clearly "no." The majority of Jewish legal sources
indicate that abortion is permissible at any stage of the pregnancy if
the well-being of the pregnant woman is jeopardized, while it is
clearly not permissible if the well-being of the future child is the
issue. This distinction can best be illustrated by the following
example.

Due to modem medical technology a pregnant woman can now be certain,
long before the birth of her child, whether it will be born defective
due to rubella or the taking of Thalidomide during pregnancy, or due
to genetic factors such as Tay-Sachs disease, or due to systematically
transmitted diseases such as AIDS, etc. In all of these cases,
abortion is not permitted out of fear or concern over what the child
might have to endure during its life. Its lot in life is not to be
determined nor judged by humanity. Its quality of life is one of the
"secrets of God," and is not open to human judgment. However, some
rabbinical authorities maintain that if the pregnant woman expresses
anguish about her own mental, emotional, or psychological well-being
resulting from an impending birth, then her pain may warrant an
abortion. Other rabbinical authorities would not permit an abortion on
such grounds.

In cases of non-therapeutic abortion, then, the major consideration is
"the pain of the mother." It is out of consideration for the woman
involved, and not the fate or condition of the fetus, which becomes
the determining factor in prohibiting or permitting an abortion. And
it is precisely on this issue that diversity of opinion is now the
greatest. Not only is the diversity seen between the various movements
in Judaism today, but even within each movement itself. In addition to
traditional Jewish mores and standards, each movement has its own
criteria for determining the permissibility of abortion under other
than therapeutic circumstances."
[quoted in full]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Here is the daughter organization of B'nai B'rith on abortion:

To see who agrees with the Jewish perspective just click:

" ADL's Abe Foxman's Hypocrisy On Genocide"
http://x2.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=311967088

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:
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Folks I'm in a nostalgic mood. Does anyone know where to
get old Viet Nam Era bumper stickers that cleverly said:
"KILL A COMMIE FOR MOMMIE" and
"KILL THEM ALL - LET GOD SORT THEM OUT" They may
become popular again! :-) Doc Tavish

Joseph Hertzlinger

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Apr 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/29/98

In <35469266...@news.tavish-central.net>
doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish) writes:

>According to a recent survey, 90% of American Jews are "pro-choice"
>(pro-abortion).

By some standards, 90% of all humans are pro-abortion.

BTW, do you think refugees from the Communist Chinese forced-abortion
poliicies should be allowed into the US?

David S. Maddison

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Apr 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/29/98

In article <6i69qc$4...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> 29 Apr 1998 04:20:28
GMT jher...@ix.netcom.com(Joseph Hertzlinger) wrote:

>In <35469266...@news.tavish-central.net>
>doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish) writes:
>

>>According to a recent survey, 90% of American Jews are "pro-choice"
>>(pro-abortion).
>

>By some standards, 90% of all humans are pro-abortion.
>
>BTW, do you think refugees from the Communist Chinese forced-abortion
>poliicies should be allowed into the US?

Doc Tavish _is_ actually a forced abortion.

David Maddison

Doc Tavish

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Apr 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/29/98

On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:54:37 GMT, madd...@power.connexus.net.au
(David S. Maddison) wrote:

>In article <6i69qc$4...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> 29 Apr 1998 04:20:28
>GMT jher...@ix.netcom.com(Joseph Hertzlinger) wrote:
>
>>In <35469266...@news.tavish-central.net>
>>doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish) writes:
>>

>>>According to a recent survey, 90% of American Jews are "pro-choice"
>>>(pro-abortion).
>>

>>By some standards, 90% of all humans are pro-abortion.
>>
>>BTW, do you think refugees from the Communist Chinese forced-abortion
>>poliicies should be allowed into the US?

>Doc Tavish _is_ actually a forced abortion.
>
>
>David Maddison

You show your limited intelligence by only making a personal attack
and not even making the slightest attempt to refute fact. Liberals
will be assigned to the ash heap of history eventually.

Here is what you, as a coward, can't deal with:

[...]

Milton Wong did say:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Jewish Community Relations Council

http://www.jcrc.org/main/women.htm

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Their own words people!

http://www.aish.org/dt-liber.htm

[ ... ]

~~~~~~ END ~~~~~~

http://www.jewishamerica.com/TimeLine/haskala.htm

to see (excerpt)

~~~~~~~~ End ~~~~~~~~~

The Jewish Communication Network

http://www.jcn18.com/jsps/oct1995/page9.htm

Abortion: On the Line

http://x2.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=311967088

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

http://www.rcrc.org/religion/es/judaism.html

Judaism and Abortion

"Conditions for Non-Therapeutic Abortions

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

......................................................................

http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=296164002

http://x9.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=325439799

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for NAMBLA is- open or click this link:
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Joseph Hertzlinger

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Apr 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/30/98

In <35473bbc....@news.tavush-central.net>

doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish) writes:
>
>On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:54:37 GMT, madd...@power.connexus.net.au
>(David S. Maddison) wrote:
>
>>In article <6i69qc$4...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> 29 Apr 1998
>>04:20:28 GMT jher...@ix.netcom.com(Joseph Hertzlinger) wrote:

>>>BTW, do you think refugees from the Communist Chinese
>>>forced-abortion poliicies should be allowed into the US?
>
>
>>Doc Tavish _is_ actually a forced abortion.
>>
>>
>>David Maddison
>
>You show your limited intelligence by only making a personal attack
>and not even making the slightest attempt to refute fact. Liberals
>will be assigned to the ash heap of history eventually.

You didn't answer the question.

David S. Maddison

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Apr 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/30/98

In article <35473bbc....@news.tavush-central.net> Wed, 29 Apr

1998 14:41:20 GMT doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish) wrote:

>On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:54:37 GMT, madd...@power.connexus.net.au
>(David S. Maddison) wrote:
>
>>In article <6i69qc$4...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> 29 Apr 1998 04:20:28
>>GMT jher...@ix.netcom.com(Joseph Hertzlinger) wrote:
>>
>>>In <35469266...@news.tavish-central.net>
>>>doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish) writes:
>>>
>>>>According to a recent survey, 90% of American Jews are "pro-choice"
>>>>(pro-abortion).
>>>
>>>By some standards, 90% of all humans are pro-abortion.
>>>
>>>BTW, do you think refugees from the Communist Chinese forced-abortion
>>>poliicies should be allowed into the US?
>
>
>>Doc Tavish _is_ actually a forced abortion.
>>
>>
>>David Maddison
>
>You show your limited intelligence by only making a personal attack
>and not even making the slightest attempt to refute fact. Liberals
>will be assigned to the ash heap of history eventually.

I'm a liberal? ROTFL. I am a Libertarian, moron. And I hate Nazi
knuckle-draggers like you.

>Here is what you, as a coward, can't deal with:
>
>[...]
>
>Milton Wong did say:
>"According to a recent survey, 90% of American Jews are "pro-choice"
>(pro-abortion). Many Jewish organizations, including the
>"Anti-Defamation League" (ADL), the "Jewish Community Relations
>Council" (see above), the "Jewish Women International", and the
>"Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism" support abortion. Many if
>not most abortionists are Jews.
>The Jews support babykilling, and then they complain about
>"anti-semitism" when someone criticizes them for that. It is not
>"anti-semitism"- it is the truth!"

[..]

I have no time to analyse your "statistics" or have any idea if they
are true. I expect the attitude of Jews in America to abortion would
closely follow other US groups matched according to socio-economic
criteria etc.. But it certainly seems strange that someone like you
who supports an ideology that has genocide as one of its central
tenets would be concerned about abortion.

Incidentally, Judaism is generally opposed to abortion and it is only
permitted in very restricted circumstances, such as to save the life
of the mother. Most religions, including Christian ones, are far less
restrictive on this matter than Judaism is. But you have never let
facts get in the way of a good Jew bash have you?

BTW, why are you so hung up about "the Jews"? Were you abandoned as a
baby or something? Why don't you get a life?

A brokh tsu dayn lebn,

David Maddison

Doc Tavish

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Apr 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/30/98

On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:10:52 GMT, madd...@power.connexus.net.au
(David S. Maddison) wrote:

>
>In article <35473bbc....@news.tavush-central.net> Wed, 29 Apr
>1998 14:41:20 GMT doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish) wrote:
>

>>On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:54:37 GMT, madd...@power.connexus.net.au
>>(David S. Maddison) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <6i69qc$4...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> 29 Apr 1998 04:20:28
>>>GMT jher...@ix.netcom.com(Joseph Hertzlinger) wrote:
>>>
>>>>In <35469266...@news.tavish-central.net>
>>>>doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish) writes:
>>>>
>>>>>According to a recent survey, 90% of American Jews are "pro-choice"
>>>>>(pro-abortion).
>>>>
>>>>By some standards, 90% of all humans are pro-abortion.
>>>>
>>>>BTW, do you think refugees from the Communist Chinese forced-abortion
>>>>poliicies should be allowed into the US?
>>
>>
>>>Doc Tavish _is_ actually a forced abortion.
>>>
>>>
>>>David Maddison
>>
>>You show your limited intelligence by only making a personal attack
>>and not even making the slightest attempt to refute fact. Liberals
>>will be assigned to the ash heap of history eventually.
>
>

>I'm a liberal? ROTFL. I am a Libertarian, moron. And I hate Nazi
>knuckle-draggers like you.

You baby killers have a much higher body count than any Nazi or Nazi
Wannabee could eevr dream of you cowardly bastard.

Try to explain this too:

Here is my insight on why you will not find any predominant Jewish
Pro-Life organizations.

Did you know in the 103rd Congress a Jew in the House (Jew Charles
Schumer) and a Jews in the Senate either introduced or helped to
introduce and got passed two versions (one each for House and Senate)
bills called F.A.C.E.?

I.E.

http://thomas.loc.gov/home/c103query.html

Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act of 1993 (Introduced in the
House) HR 796 IH 103d CONGRESS
1st Session

To assure freedom of access to clinic entrances.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

February 3, 1993

Mr. (jew) SCHUMER (for himself and Mrs. MORELLA) introduced the
following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the
Judiciary......

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Senate:

Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act of 1993 (Introduced in the
Senate)
S 636 IS 103d CONGRESS

To amend the Public Health Service Act to permit individuals to have
freedom of access to certain medical clinics and facilities, and for
other purposes.

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
March 23 (legislative day, MARCH 3), 1993

Mr. KENNEDY (for himself, Mrs. (Jew) BOXER, Mr. CAMPBELL, Mrs. (Jew)
FEINSTEIN, Mr. HARKIN, Mr. (Jew) METZENBAUM, Ms. MIKULSKI, Mr. SIMON,
Mr. ROBB, Mr. (Jew) WELLSTONE, Mr. PELL, Ms. MOSELEY-BRAUN, and Mr.
(Jew) FEINGOLD) introduced the following bill; which was read twice
and referred to the Committee on Labor and Human Resources

Proof of who are Jews in Congress is available at:
B'nai B'rith's "Jewish" members of the 105th Congress

http://bnaibrith.org/pan/105congress2.html

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Gist of bills:

Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act of 1993 (Passed by the
House) 103d CONGRESS 1st Session H. R. 796

AN ACT

To amend title 18, United States Code, to assure freedom of access to
reproductive services.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United
States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION l. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances
Act of 1993'.

SEC. 2. FREEDOM OF ACCESS TO REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH SERVICES.

Chapter 13 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at
the end the following:

`Sec. 248. Blocking access to reproductive health services

`(a) PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES- Whoever--

`(1) by force, threat of force, or physical obstruction, intentionally
injures, intimidates, or interferes with any person, or attempts to do
so, because that person or any other person or class of persons is
obtaining or providing reproductive health services; or

`(2) intentionally damages or destroys the property of a facility, or
attempts to do so, because that facility provides reproductive health
services; shall be punished as provided in subsection (b) of this
section and also be subject to the civil remedy provided in subsection
(c) of this section, except that a parent or legal guardian of a minor
shall not be subject to any penalties or civil remedies under this
section for such activities insofar as they are directed exclusively
at that minor.

`(b) PENALTIES- Whoever violates subsection (a) of this section
shall--

`(1) in the case of a first offense, be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both; and

`(2) in the case of a second or subsequent offense after a prior
conviction under this section, be fined under this title or imprisoned
not more than 3 years, or both; except that, if bodily injury results,
the length of imprisonment shall be not more than 10 years, and if
death results, it shall be for any term of years or for life.

`(c) CIVIL ACTIONS-

`(1) RIGHT OF ACTION GENERALLY- Any person who is aggrieved by a
violation of subsection (a) of this section may in a civil action
obtain relief under this subsection.

`(2) ACTION BY ATTORNEY GENERAL- If the Attorney General has
reasonable cause to believe that any person, or group of persons, is
aggrieved by a violation of subsection (a) of this section, the
Attorney General may in a civil action obtain relief under this
subsection.

`(3) ACTIONS BY STATE ATTORNEYS GENERAL- If an attorney general of a
State has reasonable cause to believe that any person or group of
persons is aggrieved by a violation of subsection (a) of this section,
that attorney general may in a civil action obtain relief under this
subsection.

`(4) RELIEF- In any action under this subsection, the court may award
any appropriate relief, including temporary, preliminary or permanent
injunctive relief, and compensatory and punitive damages for each
person aggrieved by the violation. With respect to compensatory
damages, the aggrieved person may elect, at any time before the
rendering of final judgment, to recover, in lieu of actual damages, an
award of statutory damages in the amount of $5,000 per violation. The
court may award to the prevailing party, other than the United States,
reasonable fees for attorneys and expert witnesses.

`(d) RULES OF CONSTRUCTION- (1) Nothing in this section shall be
construed to prohibit any expressive conduct (including peaceful
picketing or other peaceful demonstration) protected from legal
prohibition by the first article of amendment to the Constitution.

`(2) Nothing in this section shall be construed to interfere with the
authority of States to enforce State or local laws regulating the
provision of reproductive health services.

`(e) NON-PREEMPTION- Congress does not intend this section to provide
the exclusive remedies with respect to the conduct prohibited by it,
nor to preempt the legislation of the States that may provide such
remedies.

`(f) DEFINITIONS- As used in this section, the following definitions
apply:

`(1) REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH SERVICES- The term `reproductive health
services' means reproductive health services provided in a hospital,
clinic, physician's office, or other facility, and includes medical,
surgical, counselling or referral services relating to the human
reproductive system.

`(2) FACILITY- The term `facility' includes the building or structure
in which the facility is located.

`(3) PHYSICAL OBSTRUCTION- The term `physical obstruction' means
rendering impassable ingress to or egress from a facility that
provides reproductive health services, or rendering passage to or from
such facility unreasonably difficult.

`(4) STATE- The term `State' includes a State of the United States,
the District of Columbia, and any commonwealth, territory, or
possession of the United States.

`(5) INTIMIDATE- The term `intimidate' means to place a person in
reasonable apprehension of bodily harm to himself or herself or to
another.'.

SEC. 3. EFFECTIVE DATE.

This Act takes effect on the date of the enactment of this Act, and
shall apply only with respect to conduct occurring on or after such
date.

SEC. 4. CLERICAL AMENDMENT.

The table of sections at the beginning of chapter 13 of title 18,
United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following new
item:

`248. Blocking access to reproductive health services.'.

Passed the House of Representatives November 18, 1993.

Attest:

Clerk.

~~~~~~~~ END ~~~~~~~~

Here is an account of Operation Rescue being prosecuted:

http://x2.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=340399978
Subject: Dissent
From: jdpa...@miint.net
Date: 1998/04/03
Message-ID: <6g1kkk$s5n$1...@news0-alterdial.uu.net>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.lutheran

[Read the whole article. This is but an excerpt]

[...]

[T]he Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act was
signed into law in 1970. It was to be used to prosecute both Mafia
kingpins and white-collar criminals, such as Wall Street traders using
insider information. Leaders of the pro-life group OPERATION RESCUE
were prosecuted as conspirators for acts of extortion in their efforts
to organize protests against abortion clinics. The Supreme Court has
recently upheld lower court rulings against these non-violent acts of
protest against the whole of abortion laws using RICO as the basis for
judgment.

If these rulings are taken to the logical extreme, people who protest
any action, whether against the government or private industry, can
now be found guilty of racketeering.

[I doubt if you will see any such action taken against the Marxist
Left and their protests. Has anyone seen any suggestion that this is
about to happen? Tavish]

As mentioned earlier civil disobedience must have an economical or
political impact on society to be effective. This quandary is now set
forth; what are viable acts that can influence and change the current
laws that allow late term abortions? There are many moral and ethical
dilemmas which arise as the result of this question. First, how do
Christians respond in the face of actions which will more than likely
involve collateral damage? Second, what consequences are we ready to
suffer? Schaeffer correctly states that if civil disobedience is to be
practiced that those who do so must be willing to suffer the results.
Third, to what extent are we willing to risk our dormant lifestyles
which we justify behind the facades of pacifism, misconstrued theology
and patriotism? This last question must first be answered before any
person decides to take any action.

Randall Terry, founder of OPERATION RESCUE had to not only suffer
government and societal censorship but make a complete lifestyle
change as a result of the action taken against him in the courts. The
bottom line is that one must be willing to accept major retribution
from the current judicial and political system and possibly from the
Christian community, for any act of dissent that is taken. The
freedoms of the common man have been trampled so that there is no
longer refuge under Constitutional rights. The civil rights as defined
by the Constitution have been subjugated to the discrimination of a
select few while the masses of people are denied the liberties
intended by this document. In talking of civil disobedience we must
take this into account. Ignoring this facet of reality will only
result in total disregard for the need to change[JP3] the existing
system.[JP4]

[...]
~~~~~~~~~~~~END~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

These bills greatly hinder and outright hamper abortion clinic
protestations. The irony of this is it was two Jews that got this
legisaltion passed and is currently being used to "kill" Operation
Rescue. (As shown above)

The pschology of all of this is, (some) Jews are in a psychological
breakdown because they know that people will stand up for the unborn
but it rips their heart and soul out knowing that not one person much
less one nation protested in front of Auschwitz.

Some Jews know that the world knew or at least the top people in
government. Some Jews are now venting their anger now on the unborn of
the Gentiles.

Metromedia had a TV special on with Ed Asner as the narrator and it
was called Auschwitz and the Allies- it told the story of top
government officials of all the allied nations knowing what was
happening.

Now all of you have insight why some of Jewry is exacting revenge on
the unborn!

I challenge anyone to name any mainline Jewish organization that has a
pronounced Pro-Life agenda! B'nai B'rith all the way down are
pro-death. Will anyone explain how some Jews who are supposed to value
life so much can condone such monstrous acts?

I am open to input!

Doc Tavish

................................................................................................................
"Eye for eye, wound for wound, and blow for blow..(Ex 21:24,25)" Jews
haven't received one thing they haven't already dealt out to others.
NWT cited above for scripture.

Doc Tavish

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On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:54:37 GMT, madd...@power.connexus.net.au
(David S. Maddison) wrote:

MIT's Marxist Education on Campus! See Also the Profile of a Marxist
Apologist!

MY EVIDENCE:

http://x2.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=311322335
Subject: January class seties at MIT
From: f...@psfc.mit.edu (Felix Kreisel)
Date: 1997/12/30
Message-ID: <mt2.0-1291...@vera.kvalito.no>
Newsgroups:
alt.politics.socialism.trotsky,mit.bboard,soc.politics.marxism

The New World Disorder: a Marxist Perspective

[...]

At the end of 20th century the insoluble contradictions of
capitalism are reasserting themselves: firstly, the contradiction
between the globalization of the world economy and the system of
individual nation-states; secondly, the conflict between, on the one
hand, the need for a democratic plan to manage the natural resources
of Earth and to develop the social resources of humanity, and, on the
other hand, the system of private property with its cruel, market
driven laws.
These contradictions are now pushing mankind into a convulsive era
of wars and revolutions. We shall provide a Marxist analysis of the
factors shaping our world and see how to resolve the crisis of
revolutionary leadership in the working class.

Jan. 7: World economy in crisis: prelude to a new world war.
Jan. 14: Economic and social crisis in America.
Jan. 21: Russia: from Stalinism to capitalist barbarism.
Jan. 28: Socialism: what it is and what it isn't.

Wednesdays, 6 PM, room 8-105, on the Infinite Corridor
MIT - IAP Classes sponsored by F. Kreisel, 253-8625
--
==========================================================
Felix Kreisel, Systems Engineer Internet: f...@psfc.mit.edu
Plasma Science & Fusion Center, MIT Phone: 617-253-8625
190 Albany St. Cambridge, MA 02139 Fax: 617-252-1808
===========================================================

~~~~~~~END~~~~~~~

http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=206915925
Subject: IAP classes: Restoration of capitalism in ex-USSR
From: f...@mit.edu (Felix Kreisel)
Date: 1996/12/30
Message-ID: <fjk-ya023580003...@news.mit.edu>

Restoration of capitalism in
the former Soviet Union

It has been over a decade since the accession to power of Mikhail
Gorbachev and the turn of the Soviet bureaucracy to the policy of
dismantling the so called "socialist" economy. Five years ago the
collapse of the Soviet Union put an end to the remnants of the
non-capitalist regime which was established by the October Revolution
in 1917. We shall examine the economic, political and social
developments currently taking place in the republics of the former
Soviet Union, trace the historical roots and draw the lessons of
mankind's first attempt to build a socialist society.

Wed, Jan. 8th, 6 -- 7 pm; conditions in Russia today.
Collapse and destruction characterize the former Soviet economy
subjected to the full weight of international capitalist competition.
The bourgeois social regime is taking the countries of the former
Soviet Union back to asiatic barbarism and fascism.

Wed, Jan. 15th, 6 -- 7 pm; 1917 in its historical context.
The Russian Revolution -- the first step of the world socialist
revolution.

Wed, Jan. 22nd, 6 -- 7 pm; the revolution betrayed.
The Soviet Union -- neither capitalist nor socialist, but a
contradictory society in transition.

Wed, Jan. 29th, 6 -- 7 pm; Marxism versus Stalinism.
Was there an alternative to Stalinism? Leon Trotsky's legacy and
Marxism today.

Recommended reading: Leon Trotsky, The Revolution Betrayed;
and http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/fjk/iskra.html#ARTICLES

Classes held on Wednesday evenings, 6�m, room 8-105

Please contact Felix Kreisel f...@mit.edu or at 253-8625 for further
questions.
--
- - - - - - - - -
Iskra Research -- Historical research and publication of Marxist
classics in the Russian language. 3 books by L. Trotsky published so
far: Predannaia revolutsiia; Permanentnaia revolutsiia; V zaschitu
marksizma.
*** NEW item: Electronic "Russian Marxist Glossary" is on-line. ***
Address: PO Box 397142, Cambridge, MA 02139-7142;
e-mail: f...@mit.edu
http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/fjk/iskra.html

~~~~ End of Archival Post at DejaNews~~~~

Now let us look at the link Marxist MIT Felix Kreisel gave just above:

http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/fjk/iskra.html

[...]

Politics of Iskra Research

We stand in political support of the International Committee of the
Fourth International and its American representative, the Socialist
Equality Party. Iskra Research is very proud to publish the on-line
version of the quarterly journal of the Cheliabinsk (Russia) Buro of
the ICFI (in Russian).

For miscellaneous articles by F. Kreisel on various political,
economic and historical subjects, please click here: Political essays

To promote our politics the director of Iskra Research, Felix Kreisel,
teaches classes on Marxism at his place of work at MIT during the
January Independent Activities Period.

[...]

~~~~~ End of Link ~~~~~

Now let us examine one of Felix Kreisel's "letters":
(Notice again that the letter is on the official MIT server!)

http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/fjk/spartacist.html

Spartacist League versus Trotskyism

Thank you for your evaluation of my post about CoC. I fully appreciate
the fact that you are searching for a true Marxist revolutionary
movement. Based on my experience, the Spartacist League is,
unfortunately, not such a movement.

The workers' movement is today suffering from the deadly and false
identification of Marxism with Stalinism. Concepts like "revolutionary
violence", "soviets", "democratic centralism", etc. were thoroughly
compromised and undermined by the betrayals of Stalinism.

A Marxist movement must develop an international revolutionary program
based on the history of past struggles of the working class and on its
own history in the class struggle. It is certainly not enough to shout
RRRRRRevolutionary slogans, swear on a stack of Transitional Programs
or carry icons of Marx and Lenin.

Such a program must be developed as part of the patient education in
the working class; it must be reflected in the propaganda of the party
press. It is through the party newspaper that the movement is talking
to workers in their everyday struggles.

But when one looks through the Workers Vanguard one is immediately
struck by its insanely distorted view of the world. The political
campaigns of SL are a caricature of Trotskyism: e.g. their defence of
the "socialist" porno movie starlet, their applause for the Stalinist
suppression of Polish Solidarity or of the Soviet invasion of
Afghanistan, their continuous reference to the Stalinist army as
"Red", etc.

Whenever they refer to strike or labor struggle in the US they
celebrate union militancy as if it were the magical panacea for the
working class. At the same time they neglect to mention the betrayal
conducted daily by the trade union bureaucracy or to discuss the
bankruptcy of a national union militancy in the period of the world
crisis of capitalism and of the multinational corporation. Right now
the SL is conducting a campaign to defend a jailed Black nationalist.
But a few years ago they applauded the middle class subway rider in
New York who became terrified of some black hooligans, pulled out a
gun and shot four of them right on the train.

The Spartacist League is a very subjective middle class outfit. Their
zigzags and wild publicity stunts (dressing in Civil War outfits or
organizing the Yuri Andropov brigade) prevent the workers from
learning anything.

On the theoretical level it must be classed with the Pabloites who
diverged from Trotskyism in the direction of Stalinism. SL does not
distinguish between the revolutionary progressive violence of Trotsky
and Lenin and the counterrevolutionary violence of
Stalin-Brezhnev-Gorbachev. In Russia today, the supporters of SL flirt
with the various nationalist "bolshevik" groups and despite their loud
shouting about fascism are themselves drawn in that direction.

You ought to investigate the history of LaRouche and the National
Caucus of Labor Committees. The Spartacist League resembles them to an
astonishing degree.

I am a supporter of the International Committee of the Fourth
International and its co-thinker in the USA, the Workers League. You
might want to check out the newspaper of the WL, the International
Workers Bulletin and also read David North's book The Heritage We
Defend which is a history of Trotskyism since Trotsky's death.

I wish you success in your Marxist education.

........................................................................

[All of the above including: "I am a supporter of the International
Committee of the Fourth International (which is communist as in
COMINTERN) and its co-thinker in the USA, the Workers League."
comes from a MIT professor and is available from the MIT server! What
other proof is needed! Tavish]

~~~~~ End of Archive~~~~~~

Harry Katz

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Apr 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/30/98

Doc Tavish wrote:

Here is my insight on why you will not find any predominant...

Mr. Tavish obviously means "prominent" -- not "predominant!" This is
no mere typo, but sloppy language skills, which ultimately explains
Mr. Tavish's sloppy "logic!"

...Jewish Pro-Life organizations.

Whereas right-to-lifers believe that the soul enters a fetus immediately
upon conception, Jewish believers believe that the soul enters a person
at the moment of birth.

But, never let it be said that Mr. Tavish ever took the trouble to
research the real cause of anything that he could blame on Jews
without having to do any intellectual work at all!

--
Harry Katz

Doc Tavish

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Apr 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/30/98

On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:09:52 GMT, Harry Katz <Harry...@mci.com>
wrote:

>Doc Tavish wrote:
>
> Here is my insight on why you will not find any predominant...
>
>Mr. Tavish obviously means "prominent" -- not "predominant!" This is
>no mere typo, but sloppy language skills, which ultimately explains
>Mr. Tavish's sloppy "logic!"

How can you explain that virtually every Jewish organization is
pro-abortion? Can you name just one mainline Jewish group that is
Pro-Life? I'll be waiting till doomsday for this reply!

Here was my observation:

Some Jews are in a psychological breakdown because they know that

people will stand up for the unborn but it rips their heart and soul
out knowing that not one person much less one nation protested in
front of Auschwitz.

Some Jews know that the world knew or at least the top people in
government. Some Jews are now venting their anger now on the unborn of
the Gentiles.

Now all of you have insight why some of Jewry is exacting revenge on
the unborn!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> ...Jewish Pro-Life organizations.
>
>Whereas right-to-lifers believe that the soul enters a fetus immediately
>upon conception, Jewish believers believe that the soul enters a person
>at the moment of birth.
>
>But, never let it be said that Mr. Tavish ever took the trouble to
>research the real cause of anything that he could blame on Jews
>without having to do any intellectual work at all!

It was in all the material you deleted so you could attempt this vain
attempt at damage control! Was your tribe this sneaky 60 years ago in
Europe?

>--
>Harry Katz

Why can't you handle what follows? Why are Jews always avoiding
issues? It must be their "sneaky" nature! Now be a true leader and
defend the Jews.

Jewish Community Relations Council

http://www.jcrc.org/main/women.htm

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Their own words people!

http://www.aish.org/dt-liber.htm

[ ... ]

~~~~~~ END ~~~~~~

http://www.jewishamerica.com/TimeLine/haskala.htm

to see (excerpt)

~~~~~~~~ End ~~~~~~~~~

The Jewish Communication Network

http://www.jcn18.com/jsps/oct1995/page9.htm

Abortion: On the Line

http://x2.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=311967088

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

http://www.rcrc.org/religion/es/judaism.html

Judaism and Abortion

"Conditions for Non-Therapeutic Abortions

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=296164002

http://x9.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=325439799

................................................................................................................

Joseph Hertzlinger

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May 1, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/1/98

In <3548AFCB...@mci.com> Harry Katz <Harry...@mci.com> writes:

>Whereas right-to-lifers believe that the soul enters a fetus
>immediately upon conception, Jewish believers believe that the soul
>enters a person at the moment of birth.

Wrong.

There is a wide variety of candidates for the beginning of life in
Jewish tradition. A human life might begin at conception (Sanhedrin
91b), 40 days later, at the beginning of labor, at birth, eight days
after birth, or 30 days after birth.

Joseph Hertzlinger

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May 1, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/1/98

In <3548cefc....@news.tavish-central.net>
doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish) writes:

>Here was my observation:
>
>Some Jews are in a psychological breakdown because they know that
>people will stand up for the unborn but it rips their heart and soul
>out knowing that not one person much less one nation protested in
>front of Auschwitz.
>
>Some Jews know that the world knew or at least the top people in
>government. Some Jews are now venting their anger now on the unborn of
>the Gentiles.
>
>Metromedia had a TV special on with Ed Asner as the narrator and it
>was called Auschwitz and the Allies- it told the story of top
>government officials of all the allied nations knowing what was
>happening.
>
>Now all of you have insight why some of Jewry is exacting revenge on
>the unborn!

1) He thinks anti-semitism is responsible for pro-"choice" attitudes
among Jews.

2) He encourages more anti-semitism.

3) Therefore, he is acting in a manner that he thinks will cause Jews
to be pro-abortion.

4) He also thinks Jews run the media and most of the government. If we
decide to be pro-life, that will go a long way to eliminating
pro-abortion policies.

5) He is acting in a way that he thinks will cause pro-abortion
policies.

6) He is thus pro-abortion.

Doc Tavish

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May 1, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/1/98

On 1 May 1998 04:17:19 GMT, jher...@ix.netcom.com(Joseph Hertzlinger)
wrote:

>In <3548cefc....@news.tavish-central.net>
>doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish) writes:
>

>>Here was my observation:
>>
>>Some Jews are in a psychological breakdown because they know that
>>people will stand up for the unborn but it rips their heart and soul
>>out knowing that not one person much less one nation protested in
>>front of Auschwitz.
>>
>>Some Jews know that the world knew or at least the top people in
>>government. Some Jews are now venting their anger now on the unborn of
>>the Gentiles.
>>
>>Metromedia had a TV special on with Ed Asner as the narrator and it
>>was called Auschwitz and the Allies- it told the story of top
>>government officials of all the allied nations knowing what was
>>happening.
>>
>>Now all of you have insight why some of Jewry is exacting revenge on
>>the unborn!

>1) He thinks anti-semitism is responsible for pro-"choice" attitudes
>among Jews.
>
>2) He encourages more anti-semitism.
>
>3) Therefore, he is acting in a manner that he thinks will cause Jews
>to be pro-abortion.
>
>4) He also thinks Jews run the media and most of the government. If we
>decide to be pro-life, that will go a long way to eliminating
>pro-abortion policies.
>
>5) He is acting in a way that he thinks will cause pro-abortion
>policies.
>
>6) He is thus pro-abortion.

More sick, pathetic, and mentally disturbed Talmudic logic by an
Eternal Jew! Come on, this is any easy task for you- just name one
(only one) mainline Jewish organization that is Pro-Life. Can't you do
this Joseph? Have I given you too much of a task? One, only one-
that is all I ask.

Here is but a sampling of the mainline Jewish orgs that are
pro-abortion:

http://x5.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=336153831
" More Jewish Support of Butchery Known as Abortion <> Jewish
Community Relations Council >"

Jewish Community Relations Council

http://www.jcrc.org/main/women.htm

"JCRC firmly endorses the right of women to reproductive choice. We
are concerned about the new-found strength of abortion opponents in
Congress."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

ZOG

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May 1, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/1/98

"Doc" Tavish spews:

> More sick, pathetic, and mentally disturbed Talmudic logic by an
> Eternal Jew! Come on, this is any easy task for you- just name one

HEY! Doesn't the Eternal Jew "Paul" use "Talmudic logic" in the book of
Romans? So *that's* why Tavish can ignore what Paul says! ROTFL!!

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Joseph Hertzlinger

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May 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/3/98

In <3549e980....@news.tavish-central.net>
doc_t...@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish) writes:

>Joseph, remember- you only have to post the name of only one mainline
>Pro-Life Jewish org! Are you up to it?

Toward Tradition

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