most effective punch?
Eric Iverson
>
> hey,i have no martial art training at all,but i find this ng really
> interesting.anyway,what do people think is the most effective hand strike or
> punch?like if you had just one shot to take someone out.what would you use?
> john
It all depends on your range and the surface you are striking.
That said, a good palm strike-grab-rip to the groin can be
very effective. :)
--Eric
hht...@swbell.net
>
> hey,i have no martial art training at all,but i find this ng really
> interesting.anyway,what do people think is the most effective hand strike or
> punch?like if you had just one shot to take someone out.what would you use?
> john
Hello John, and welcome to the newsgroup. As long as you are respectful
to others, I doubt that many people would object to your lack of
experience. But who knows? :-)
I used to prefer fast snapping style of punches to any part of the body
that I could reach. As time passed, and I became more aware of the
inate frailties of the fist -- I got tired of cultivating knuckle
callouses, I began considering some modifications to my punching
philosophy.
To the fleshy parts of the body, I now prefer a sort of rocking style of
punching utilizing the heft of my entire body rather than exclusively
the hips/arms generation body mechanics. I know that this does not make
a lot of sense to you, but it works -- at least for me.
For the bony areas; such as the head and spine, I prefer to utilize palm
heel and elbow strikes. The goal is to cause your opponent more pain
than you suffer yourself. Hmmm . . . I might add that this is academic
with me. I haven't been in a real fight for nearly a decade. Several
close calls, yes, but fortunately no true fisticuffs. It may sound
boring, but that's the way I prefer life. Live Well -- Ronnie Henry
Dave
thrown, it would cause the head to torque pretty hard, resulting in a a probable
knockout or stunning of the opponent.
Second choice would be trying to break the nose. It won't knock anyone out, but
will hurt like hell!
Dave
walter kopitov
Rave7170
John Ford
> interesting.anyway,what do people think is the most effective hand strike or
> punch?like if you had just one shot to take someone out.what would you use?
> john
Well, your question is a good one, and a tough one as well.
I am currently training in TKD and HKD. In one Hap Ki Do class, we were
addressing almost exactly this issue. We talked about the different
vital areas of the body and what type of strike would yeild the best
results. The throat is cetainly one of the most sensitive areas on the
human body. If you have enough control, you can do anything from
making someone nearly choke trying to regain their breath, or lose
conciousness from the swelling of the corroted artery, or even end not
only the fight, but thier life.
As to what kind of strike... I'd have to say a hand position with the
palm open, but the fingers retracted, so you can hit with the second
knuckles of the fingers. This minimizes the spreading out of the force
(which is what would happen with a full fist). It is also very rigid
so no force is absorbed.
It could be excecuted most effectively at a slight upward angle, like an
uppercut (rotate the hip for the most power/speed[Moo Duk Kwon style])
John Ford
Rave7170
>very effective. :)
i can feel it from here.ouch!
Rave7170
jc
head rush
: hey,i have no martial art training at all,but i find this ng really
: interesting.anyway,what do people think is the most effective hand strike or
: punch?like if you had just one shot to take someone out.what would you use?
: john
Something that hurts. A sledge hammer, or possibly a ball peen hammer
if the sledge is in the toolbox at home.
Mnight592
. . .and girls.
AA
Brian wrote:
> one that lands?
Yes, Mike Tyson!
Andre :o)
EisMadchen
>From: rave...@aol.com (Rave7170)
>
>hey,i have no martial art training at all,but i find this ng really
>interesting.anyway,what do people think is the most effective hand strike or
>punch?like if you had just one shot to take someone out.what would you use?
If it is undefended, a strike to the throat is extremely effective. An elbow
strike is even better. If the throat is defended or the guy is a no-neck, a
good pop to ear is next.
roseq...@webtv.net
and height.. when out on the street instinct kicks in.. being a women
and 49, and 5 foot 2. i have figured the perfect punch that works for
me. i have studied martial arts since i was 32, so i have had a very
long time to figure it out. think about the punch u like and can
perfect, see how strong it is, find out what part of the body it will
effect on different heights of people, being a jujistsu person and
short, i always go for the knees first with a good swift kick, as they
double over use the lower palm with knuckles and strike the chin...my
point is make it work for you.
roseq...@webtv.net
older, but the point is, u should use what is effective for your height
& size. when someone asks me that question i show them what works for
me, then i help them figure out what is best for them, then u practice,
practice, practice, until its becomes a natural instinct. this of
course would be i
n a street situation... from a female point of view.
josh powell
Rave7170 wrote in message <19990102200457...@ng-ce1.aol.com>...
>hey,i have no martial art training at all,but i find this ng really
>interesting.anyway,what do people think is the most effective hand strike
or
>punch?like if you had just one shot to take someone out.what would you use?
.308
josh
Hertac
Try forming a chi beam, fireball or lightning ball .
You can concentrate your chi into an energy ball of chi or you can use your chi
to summon energy from nature, such as the fireball and lightning.
its really cool, i;ve seen it done in anime.
Sorry, i just couldn't help it. ok Try this.
Remember to run first and escape. fighting must be your last resort!!!
If you are going to fight then fight dirty.
Try eye gauging and punching to the chest with your knuckles lined up
vertically.
Don't punch to the forehead with the knuckles, you may bust them up. Punch
their nose.
Punch their testicles. Fight dirty!!!!!!!!
BITE, KICK, SCRATCH, EVERY PART OF YOUR BODY MUST BE A WEAPON!!!
Remember of they are on the ground to stomp on their head and then run and call
for help!!!
Jarle Thorsen
>rave...@aol.com (Rave7170) writes: > hey,i have no martial art training
>at all,but i find this ng really
>> interesting.anyway,what do people think is the most effective hand
>> strike or punch?like if you had just one shot to take someone out.what
>> would you use?
>Well, your question is a good one, and a tough one as well.
>I am currently training in TKD and HKD. In one Hap Ki Do class, we were
>addressing almost exactly this issue. We talked about the different
>vital areas of the body and what type of strike would yeild the best
>results. The throat is cetainly one of the most sensitive areas on the
>human body. If you have enough control, you can do anything from
>making someone nearly choke trying to regain their breath, or lose
>conciousness from the swelling of the corroted artery, or even end not
>only the fight, but thier life.
If you are hitting to the throat you will also have to accept the
posibility of killing the person. If the fight is not worth killing or
seriously hurting the attacker, you should never hit to the throat....
--
Jarle Thorsen
Instructor in Tenshin Dojo, Genbukan Ninpo
http://www.emsoy.com/ninpo/
Brian
cate...@my-dejanews.com
rave...@aol.com (Rave7170) wrote:
> hey,i have no martial art training at all,but i find this ng really
> interesting.anyway,what do people think is the most effective hand strike or
> punch?like if you had just one shot to take someone out.what would you use?
> john
>
dear john,
one shot-.45
no, 12g sabot
no, 12g 00
no, minie ball
no, really. thats a funny question. i have to say it would be the target of
oppourtunity, and whatever it was would give the strike. solar plexus-punch.
neck/throat- open hand, thumb up. head or under arm, ridge hand.... funny
thing is, it allus seems to be that kick in the nuts that works best...
yours, caterbro
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Rando11674
the one inch heart punch.
Nathan
side of the chin because it whips the head from side
to side which is more likely to result in a knockout than
a straight on punch. The head can take alot more concussive force
if it it delivered straight. Whipping movements twist the brain like gello
and are more effective for knockouts. But if I had the choice I would go for
a choke because
you are much less likely to cause damage to your own hands. Never choose a
technique because it seems like the most impressive --choose the one that
fits the situation. If you use this kind of mentality you will find yourself
in
unecessarily dangerous situations.
josh powell wrote in message ...
>
>Rave7170 wrote in message <19990102200457...@ng-ce1.aol.com>...
>>hey,i have no martial art training at all,but i find this ng really
>>interesting.anyway,what do people think is the most effective hand strike
>or
>>punch?like if you had just one shot to take someone out.what would you
use?
>
>
>.308
>
>josh
>
>
storys
Eric Iverson wrote in message <368EB7B4...@SPAMGUARD.wayne.edu>...
>Rave7170 wrote:
>>
>> hey,i have no martial art training at all,but i find this ng really
>> interesting.anyway,what do people think is the most effective hand strike
or
>> punch?like if you had just one shot to take someone out.what would you
use?
>
>It all depends on your range and the surface you are striking.
>very effective. :)
>
How serious is this? How much damage do I want to inflict? What are our
relative positions? Who is in the area? Is there no other way I can resolve
this conflict? ( like running, admitting the guy is one heck of a man, not
letting the situation arise in the first place ) Also where is this taking
place?
....Tom......
Eric Iverson
> >> what do people think is the most effective hand strike
> or
> >> punch?like if you had just one shot to take someone out.what would you
> use?
> >It all depends on your range and the surface you are striking.
> >That said, a good palm strike-grab-rip to the groin can be
> >very effective. :)
> >
>
> How serious is this?
Very, you had just one shot to take someone out.
> How much damage do I want to inflict?
to take someone out.
> What are our
> relative positions?
"It all depends on your range and the surface you are striking."
> Who is in the area?
These are questions I ask myself in real life, not
in a newsgroup.
> Is there no other way I can resolve
> this conflict? ( like running, admitting the guy is one heck of a man, not
> letting the situation arise in the first place )
No, the given is "you had just one shot to take someone out."
> Also where is this taking
> place?
In a dark alley at night, you are cornered by the biggest bully
you've ever seen who says "Tell you what--I'll give you one chance,
I'll let you hit me first. Take your best shot. Then I'm going to
tear you limb from limb. By the way, I'm not wearing a cup."
--Eric
SeiserL
Gotta say, the punch thrown by the better trained fighter that lands with the
most power on the most vulnerable target is IMHO the most effective.
Lynn
Tenshinkai Aikido/Lucaylucay Kali
"We do not rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our
training." Train well. KWATZ!
Lynn Seiser, PhD MFCC (Sei...@AOL.com)
Informative pages at http://members.aol.com/SeiserL/index.html
"Change is Natural & Inevitable"
storys
<snip> a very large amount of stuff
>> Also where is this taking
>> place?
>
>In a dark alley at night, you are cornered by the biggest bully
>you've ever seen who says "Tell you what--I'll give you one chance,
>I'll let you hit me first. Take your best shot. Then I'm going to
>tear you limb from limb. By the way, I'm not wearing a cup."
>
>
>--Eric
You've still left too many variables for a definitive answer so the best I
can give is it depends Oh & by the way one thing I can say it isn't a front
snap kick to the groin like you seem to be asking for it to be. Too may
people are only angered by such OR they are aware & are able to use the
Sanchin stance properly which negates that option rather well.
.......Tom......
Eric Iverson
> >> place?
> >In a dark alley at night, you are cornered by the biggest bully
> >you've ever seen who says "Tell you what--I'll give you one chance,
> >I'll let you hit me first. Take your best shot. Then I'm going to
> >tear you limb from limb. By the way, I'm not wearing a cup."
> You've still left too many variables for a definitive answer so the best I
> can give is it depends Oh & by the way one thing I can say it isn't a front
> snap kick to the groin like you seem to be asking for it to be.
Thanks.
And since when does a kick qualify as a punch?
> Too may
> people are only angered by such OR they are aware & are able to use the
> Sanchin stance properly which negates that option rather well.
These supermen are so common. Funny, but I've never met up with one.
I'll chance a palm strike-grap-rip to the groin any day.
BTW, I practice front kicks usually aiming for the pelvic bone,
instead of the testicles. Works on both sexes.
--Eric
hht...@swbell.net
>
> storys wrote:
> premise: "Tell you what--I'll give you one chance,
> > >I'll let you hit me first. Take your best shot. Then I'm going to
> > >tear you limb from limb. By the way, I'm not wearing a cup."
>
> > You've still left too many variables for a definitive answer so the best I
> > can give is it depends Oh & by the way one thing I can say it isn't a front
> > people are only angered by such OR they are aware & are able to use the
> > Sanchin stance properly which negates that option rather well.
>
> If you just want to cripple them up good, a delivered punch to the
> juncture of thigh and thorax to the hipjoint is good. You can give them
> something to think about with a focused punch to the acroclavicular
> joint just above and in from the armpit.
> The curvature of the underbelly; above the mons, below the navel- at the
> separation of the musculature- hit from the side; it will make him
> contract and present more targets.
> Hitting the top of the foot up by the ankle with the intention of
> disrupting the metatarsals and ankle bones will leave them hopping
> about.
> Lots more too- something for any part of the body-
>
> Chas
What? If you give away ALL of the secrets how do we justify charging
people for lessons? Live Well -- Ronnie Henry
Chas
Chas
> What? If you give away ALL of the secrets how do we justify charging
> people for lessons?
That's a question my wife has also ;-)) She says I am too easy-
We call it 'guarding your ricebowl'- I suppose that I trust that my own
experience will make that of my students' shorter and more productive.
There is still a great deal to teach- the gold is in the details-
Chas
Todd D. Ellner
>On 7 Jan 1999 04:18:08 GMT, Chas <gryp...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>storys wrote:
>> premise: "Tell you what--I'll give you one chance,
>>> >I'll let you hit me first. Take your best shot. Then I'm going to
>>> >tear you limb from limb. By the way, I'm not wearing a cup."
>>Lots more too- something for any part of the body-
>>Chas
>A whole plethora of ideas come to mind:
>Why in the world would anybody want to stand there and let someone hit
>them with their best shot. It seems like the ultimate bad idea.
It goes by a lot of names. "More balls than brains" is one of them.
Mexican Standoff is another. I guess it works best for people who don't
know how to hit :-*
One very simple one which I don't think got mentioned was the good
old-fashioned headbutt. It's stopped a lot of fights.
Of course, my favorite would be to hit them with a tool. But that
wouldn't be fair.
--
Todd Ellner | Expect poison from the standing water.
tel...@cs.pdx.edu | --William Blake "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell"
(503)493-4431 |
Just Jules
whole thing: Has anybody stopped for a second to realize that the "most
effective punch" is the one best suited for the particular situation???? I
mean sure, we all have a technique that we "own". We do it so well, that it
is purely "mushin". Let's say that in fight # 1, an uppercut is "the best".
In fight # 2, it may be a different strike alltogether. Is one "better" than
the other ??? No. But it may be the more effective choice for that scenario.
That is why we train so hard to perfect MANY techniques. The most
paradoxical thing about training though--We train a lifetime in pursuit of a
perfection that we can never attain.----Jules
Todd D. Ellner wrote in message <773mmb$j7i$1...@mizar.cs.pdx.edu>...
Eric Iverson
> Larry Rudd <lr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >Why in the world would anybody want to stand there and let someone hit
> >them with their best shot. It seems like the ultimate bad idea.
> It goes by a lot of names. "More balls than brains" is one of them.
> Mexican Standoff is another. I guess it works best for people who don't
> know how to hit :-*
A small gang of teen toughs was harassing my grand-aunt at
a store, so my grandfather who was 5'9" and then 70 years old
walked up to the leader, pointed to his chin and said "hit that."
The gang backed off and left.
It wasn't lack of brains so much as being an ex pro boxer
that gave him the guts to do that, and being a former state
champ powerlifter made him look like a very bad target.
--Eric
Larry Rudd
>storys wrote:
> premise: "Tell you what--I'll give you one chance,
>> >I'll let you hit me first. Take your best shot. Then I'm going to
>> >tear you limb from limb. By the way, I'm not wearing a cup."
>
<snipped all the good details :-)
>Lots more too- something for any part of the body-
>
>Chas
A whole plethora of ideas come to mind:
Palm butt to the brow
Dragon head (one knuckle fist) to the temple
Dragon head to right below the left peck (heart)
Four knuckle to the left or right ribs right below the armpit
Tear the the testicles out (after you hit of course)
Palm butt to the trachea (sp. throat - voice box) then tear it out
etc. etc. etc.
Why in the world would anybody want to stand there and let someone hit
them with their best shot. It seems like the ultimate bad idea.
Sincerely,
Larry Rudd
Pencak Silat Ratu Adil
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I tell them they are learning the truth.
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If I had one shot to take someone out I would hit them an inch below the ear on
the side of the neck. This compresses the carotid sinus (connected to the vegus
nerve look it up). This nerve is found on the inner carotid artery and
regulates blood pressure to the brain. If too much pressure comes to the brain
this nerve causes the arteries to restrict and protect the brain. If then you
strike it it will think there is a sudden high pressure burst and cut off
almost all the blood supply. This artery is also what causes people to black
out in strangle holds like those used in judo. When struck it will either make
them faint or cause unconsciousness. If strangled it may take about 5-6 seconds
minimum to cause a black out as not as much pressure can be applied in one go
by strangling.
The easiest way to attack it? Lets assume you are face to face with them. Press
down or pull down THEIR right forearm with your left hand. At the same time try
to circle to YOUR left. And with the other hand chop diagonally at the right
side of THEIR neck. This can of course be done circling right and hitting with
the left.
Of course there are many other very vulnerable areas as mentioned by others but
this is (IMHO) the easiest to hit effectively.
Note: when CAREFULLY hit or strangled by an expert martial artists this spot is
often less damaging than a punch to the jaw. It very rarely causes any
permanent damage in healthy young individuals.
SERIOUS WARNING: Hitting the neck can be very dangerous and damage the windpipe
causing death. Never use this technique or any neck technique unless you are
sure your life I in serious danger.
PT
cru...@my-dejanews.com
A friend of mine who is a SEAL and trained with Jerry Peterson's group for a
month (I know, I know, I think Peterson is totally full of shit, too)told me
this is one of Peterson's favorite strikes. He likes hitting the vagus nerve
with the outside of the forearm, claims it is an instant knockout. Top secret
stuff available only to our elite armed forces...unless of course you cough up
the 50 bucks for the video. Then you can never be defeated in combat!
Crouton
"Tell us of the apes!"
John Carlo
peach
FB
> the old phoenix eye fist hehehe hay chas how about the monkey steels the
> peach
LOL
I vote for the flying crane's beak.
But seriously, it depends on how you define "effective".
If you're talking about the punch that gets the most knockouts, then it's
probably the left hook. Right cross would be a close second.
If you're talking about the ultimate bread and butter punch that helps you
put the others together, achieve range, and use broken rhythm, then the most
effective punch is the jab.
If you're talking about the most effective punch when you're in close and
his head is forward and beside yours, then none of the above are effective
at all. Now you're looking at the uppercut as the most effective punch.
IOW, it's situational.
Bush
> If I had one shot to take someone out I would hit them an inch below the
ear on
> the side of the neck.
[DETAILS CUT]
>
> Note: when CAREFULLY hit or strangled by an expert martial artists this
spot is
> often less damaging than a punch to the jaw. It very rarely causes any
> permanent damage in healthy young individuals.
>
> SERIOUS WARNING: Hitting the neck can be very dangerous and damage the
windpipe
> causing death. Never use this technique or any neck technique unless you are
> sure your life I in serious danger.
I'd like to mention that a similar strike to the side of the neck killed
three people (different incidents) in NH and VT last year.
Apparently, if hit hard enough, the vein collapses as described AND the
surrounding muscles contract (spasm) and can keep the vein closed. Death
ensues shortly thereafter.
Preventing this sort of accidental death is some of the basis behind the
chin na conecpt of massaging the wounded area after performing a cavity
strike (although that also involves the concept of restoring the chi
flow).
--
-- Bush
"It's not the art but that artist that matters."
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Rando11674
Redliontoo
i will second that. bruce lee waqs best for that. the trick to it is:
he is totally relaxed just before the point at whisch he will hit.
then he puts al he's got behind it end of story.LOL
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Arthur
The most effective punch,
is the punch / or blow / or strike,
that stops, critically and defintively,
your opponent.
Sometimes, this is best done, with emptiness,
as Bruce Lee himself, illustrated, in
Return of the Dragon, when he tricked his
opponent to get on the row boat and go to the
island to spar. He then let the guy drift off,
without a paddle, into the sea.
And, to be factual, Bruce Lee do not actually make
up this incident himself. It did actually happen
between two reknowned swordsman in ancient
japan.
As i understand the true story, one swordsman
convinced his challenger to row with him to this
small island in the middle of a lake. And when,
the other swordsman got off the boat, the first
swordsman just turned around and quickly
rowed away from the island leaving the
challenger stranded on the island. I dont
remember the name of either of the two
swordsman but the name of the island was
bee-wako.
Again, for what its worth.
kindest regards, and,
peace,
Arthur,