Is Yale F. Edeiken as Deluded as Andrew Skolnick? Most Likely!
Tavish
Now as for your specious grabbing at straws claim: "This is a direct
admission that you are posting as "Mixmaster."..." I or anyone
else that uses the service will always be "Mixmaster." Even if a kook
such as you were to use the service you too would come through
as "Mixmaster." You have no case fool but as I tell your other fellow
mental defective Andrew Skolnick- LLEVATELO which is Hispanic
for GO FOR IT and have your ass laughed right out of court!
I still remember your immortal words: "You'll be silenced Nazi shit!"
Cordially as always,
Doc Tavish
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Defendant Tavish (sonn...@flash.net) posting as:
Mixmaster <mixm...@remail.obscura.com> wrote in message
news:81bq4v$7...@sirius.infonex.com...
> --
> "Andrew A. Skolnick" <asko...@stopNazi.spam.mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > Sara Salzman wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <8001sv$2a...@news1.newsguy.com>,
> > > doc_t...@NOSPAMdanetwork.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Posting from newsdawg, eh?
> > >
> > > What's the matter, Mr. Bradbury, did your other remailer stop liking
> > > you?
> > >
> > > Sara
> > I think Tavish/Bradbury ran into a "technical difficulty"
> > with his heretofore ISP.
> > -- Andrew
> What are you two Zhids jabbering about now?
>
> --digsig
> Authentic Doc Tavish
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The cesspool you just dived into. This is a direct admission that you
are posting as "Mixmaster."
It is direct proof that you are the one who has been posting private
names and addresses in an effort to harass others.
See you in court Defendant Tavish.
Posted and e-mailed.
--YFE
The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
The Nizkor Project is at http://www.nizkor.org/
The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/
The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/
Yale F. Edeiken
Tavish <doc_t...@NOSPAMdanetwork.com> wrote in message
news:swE_3.7751$16.8...@news.flash.net...
> Yale did I not ask you numerous times to desist from e-mailing me?
Have I told you to stop your defamation.
The ehader of this post is clearly actionable.
> Now as for your specious grabbing at straws claim: "This is a direct
> admission that you are posting as "Mixmaster."..."
It certainly was.
> as "Mixmaster." You have no case fool but as I tell your other fellow
> mental defective Andrew Skolnick- LLEVATELO which is Hispanic
> for GO FOR IT and have your ass laughed right out of court!
That is a further defamaotry statement.
> I still remember your immortal words: "You'll be silenced Nazi shit!"
That's a lie. I never wrote that. It was forgery from you.
You better start your jokes early.
?--YFE
tim gueguen
who believes in paranoid theories about Jewish conspiracies.
tim gueguen 101867
michael erik naesby
I'm new to this Newsgroup-thing. Basically I like
it.
This is NOT a comment on this specific case, which
know nothing about and have no special interest
in, but please bear with me. I will use it as an
example nothing more nothing less.
There's one thing, that keeps surprising me. It's
everywhere from knights, cyperart and
selfprofessed sceptisism regardless of colour and
creed.
Its the anger.
With surprising speed and overwhelming
agressiveness, men (it seems to be always men?)
attack each other with little or no regards for
good behaviour, absoloutely no attention to the
actual subject at hand and in a - generally
speaking - intensely boring a manner?
This is just one of several cases, that have
gotten completely out of hand.
And its everywhere and there so much of it.
So think gentlemen think.
mike
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certain knowlegde is absolute ignorance
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Tavish <doc_t...@NOSPAMdanetwork.com> skrev i en
nyhedsmeddelelse:swE_3.7751$16.8...@news.flash.n
et...
> Yale did I not ask you numerous times to desist
from e-mailing me?
> Now as for your specious grabbing at straws
claim: "This is a direct
> admission that you are posting as
"Mixmaster."..." I or anyone
> else that uses the service will always be
"Mixmaster." Even if a kook
> such as you were to use the service you too
would come through
> as "Mixmaster." You have no case fool but as I
tell your other fellow
> mental defective Andrew Skolnick- LLEVATELO
which is Hispanic
> for GO FOR IT and have your ass laughed right
out of court!
>
> I still remember your immortal words: "You'll be
silenced Nazi shit!"
>
> The cesspool you just dived into. This is a
direct admission that you
> are posting as "Mixmaster."
>
> It is direct proof that you are the one who
has been posting private
> names and addresses in an effort to harass
others.
>
> See you in court Defendant Tavish.
>
> Posted and e-mailed.
>
>
> --YFE
>
yorick
news:81f96p$rvj$1...@news.inet.tele.dk...
> Fellow travellers
>
> I'm new to this Newsgroup-thing. Basically I like
> it.
> There's one thing, that keeps surprising me. It's
> everywhere from knights, cyperart and
> selfprofessed sceptisism regardless of colour and
> creed.
> Its the anger.
> With surprising speed and overwhelming
> agressiveness, men (it seems to be always men?)
> attack each other with little or no regards for
> good behaviour, absoloutely no attention to the
> actual subject at hand and in a - generally
> speaking - intensely boring a manner?
You had better get used to it.
Consider that on the Net, inhibitions tend to dissapear. You are not
speaking face to face - no one is going to punch you on the nose if you
insult them, nor is it likely that any opinions you espouse will have
effects in Real Life.
Consider also that in some groups the same tired arguments keep popping up;
individuals who would once respond politely and at length eventually become
succint and testy. There are people whose joy in life is to post
provocative posts ("trolls") purely to cause strife; others post gratuitous
insults hoping for a response in kind and thus escalation.
I suggest you identify individuals with a propensity for the above actions
and "killfile" them -- that makes for a much more satisfying Usenet
experience, and you will not generally be missing any worthwhile postings.
I could go on, but a final (skeptical) point is that most posters use
pseudonyms, so bear in mind that the gender implied by a poster's name need
not equate with their actual sex.
Have fun.
PS. I'm posting from sci.skeptic; thus I am aware that your post could very
well be disingenuous.
Not that I care - my response may be helpful to someone regardless!
[snip]
--
JRM
Rosa Nina Williams
On Wed, 24 Nov 1999, michael erik naesby wrote:
> Fellow travellers
>
> I'm new to this Newsgroup-thing. Basically I like it.
It's fun, once you get around the signal to noise ratio. Killfiles are
wonderful tools.
<snip>
> There's one thing, that keeps surprising me. It's everywhere from
> knights, cyperart and selfprofessed sceptisism regardless of colour
> and creed. Its the anger. With surprising speed and overwhelming
> agressiveness, men (it seems to be always men?) attack each other with
> little or no regards for good behaviour, absoloutely no attention to
> the actual subject at hand and in a - generally speaking - intensely
> boring a manner?
Yeah! It's always men! No women would attack another person's posts...
... OK, I can't keep a straight face any more. :) You'll find that the
Internet provides equal opportunity for rants regardless of sex, nation,
creed, color, or height. You name a group, there's probably someone in it
being a right bastard. :)
Skeptics are no different in this. (See! I really did have a point!)
Some of 'em are quiet types, who pop up occasionally to say "You haven't
proven that." Some are waging a constant War On Pseudoscience. Some are
trying to gently educate the public, and some are trying to carry the day
with pure volume.
> This is just one of several cases, that have gotten completely out of
> hand. And its everywhere and there so much of it. So think gentlemen
> think.
Yes, it's been noisy recently. The trouble is that a flock of... um... I'm
trying hard to be good here... "people who don't want to believe that the
Holocaust happened," aka revisionists, have recently (in the past few
months) started posting here on a regular basis. They said, "Hey people,
aren't you skeptical of this Holocaust thing?"
I shall shamelessly personify the sci.skeptic regulars as Da Skeptics. Da
Skeptics replied, "Well, actually, we've seen evidence that the Holocaust
happened, and evidence is what we live for. But if you want to cast
doubts, feel free."
A bunch of folks who typically debate the revisionists on alt.revisionism
followed 'em over here, and said "By the way, here's *our* evidence that
the Holocaust *did* happen." And Da Skeptics saw it, and saw that it was
good. Also, some of Da Skeptics posted more of said evidence.
There followed much back-and-forth. Every time the revisionists screamed
"no evidence!" floods of evidence were showered upon them. They would then
scream, "That doesn't prove it because X!" X was straightwise debunked by
Da Skeptics. The revisionists would ignore the evidence *and* the debunk
of their objections and go back to screaming "no evidence!" This rapidly
became tedious, but the revisionists still insist on posting, and their
false claims should not be allowed to stand unchallenged.
The revisionists were always racist, often sexist, and usually rude.
They heaped abuse on all, accusing them of the awful crime of being Jewish
(whether they were or not), used crude sexual commentary (women became
"fat broads," men became "faggots"), and generally being unpleasant. At
some point, one stops saying "That's nice, now go away," and starts to do
something.
Something, in this case, has varied. The most popular tactic is: since
they won't go away, let's make them the targets of humor and satire. At
least they'l be entertaining, eh? Many insults, much sarcasm, and some
good satire has resulted. In a couple of specific cases, some revisionists
(allegedly) went too far; accusations include posting forged e-mails,
sending threats, and posting someone else's home address with invitations
to call or visit... that, of course, abruptly stops being funny.
At this point, legal action is being pursued against some of the
perpetrators. However, while the legal process goes through its slow
turnings, and the revisionists (who, of course, post anonymously) remain
in hiding, it's bound to be slow going. In the meantime, they continue to
post one hateful message after another.
Whatever are Da Skeptics to do? We can just killfile/ignore those posts,
of course... I usually adopt that tactic. We can keep making fun of them
(though repeating an entire post of hate to append one funny line to the
bottom is going too far, in my opinion). We can - and I *like* this
tactic - collect some of their hateful stuff (and its refutations!) and
instead of responding directly, simply post the URL to the collection.
To ask us to conduct a "gentlemanly" discussion, however, is rather like
asking the Ostrogoths to have a civil discussion with the Huns.
Fortunately, we're much better at self-defense than the Ostrogoths. ;)
--April
michael erik naesby
About the aggressiveness of NGs
It takes a little getting used to.
Sometimes it seems downright counterproductive and in the worst cases it
borders on outright lunacy.
(and I'm beeing polite here!)
It demonstrates just how much human cumminication depends on nonverbal
im/expression.
About the gender-thing. Off course one can't be certain. But based on the
assumption that most men would use male-sounding 'tags', it's actually very
much a male thing......
Anyway apart from that it's most certainly an experience...
mike
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yorick <yor...@chariot.net.au> skrev i en
nyhedsmeddelelse:383b3...@news.chariot.net.au...
: michael erik naesby <making...@mail.tele.dk> wrote in message
: news:81f96p$rvj$1...@news.inet.tele.dk...
: > Fellow travellers
: >
: > I'm new to this Newsgroup-thing. Basically I like
: > it.
: [snip]
: > There's one thing, that keeps surprising me. It's
: > everywhere from knights, cyperart and
: > selfprofessed sceptisism regardless of colour and
: > creed.
: > Its the anger.
: > With surprising speed and overwhelming
: > agressiveness, men (it seems to be always men?)
: > attack each other with little or no regards for
: > good behaviour, absoloutely no attention to the
: > actual subject at hand and in a - generally
: > speaking - intensely boring a manner?
:
: You had better get used to it.
:
:
:
michael erik naesby
About the aggressiveness of NGs
It takes a little getting used to.
Sometimes it seems downright counterproductive and in the worst cases it
borders on outright lunacy.
(and I'm beeing polite here!)
It demonstrates just how much human communication depends on nonverbal
factors like expresion, tone of voice etc.