One may consider the cruel act of a Jew beating and kicking a small child to
death the act of an individual but the refusal of the Israeli court to
punish such a monster reflects on the racist, bigoted nazi state of Israel.
Put that into your calendar :-)>
<
bpg wrote:
> Israeli settler is sentenced to community service for beating and kicking a
> 11 year old Palestinian child to death.
And when are ANY of the PLO thugs going to be sentenced
by their own authority for any of the worse crimes THEY commit?
This is merely illustrative the differnce between the Israeli government
and the thugs with which they are dealing.
Israeli crimes such as this horror are few & far between, and
readily punsihed as such by their government.
The PLO, on the other hand, not only commits such things
whenever they get the chance, but they actively condone
and *encourage* them.
> One may consider the cruel act of a Jew beating and kicking a small child to
> death the act of an individual but the refusal of the Israeli court to
> punish such a monster reflects on the racist, bigoted nazi state of Israel.
Wrong, See above.
> Put that into your calendar :-)>
Yes, so you will be able to see every year that Israeli
justice far outstrips PLO terrorism.
>
>
> <
"I do not deny that Jews were involved in establishing the Communist
regime... Jews are taught to uphold the downtrodden, and that's how
communism came about." Susan Cohen 01/19/2001
http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717872510
Community service for murder is justice? Are you serious? For a dog,
perhaps, but a human being - does Israeli justice hold Palestinian
life-value on the level of dogs?
NL
>"Susan Cohen" <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
>news:3A6E35DF...@his.com...
>> If there is no reason for this to be sent to the Italian
>> group, please let me know, either thru a post or e-mail.
Here are some more things Susan Cohen wrote:
"I do not deny that Jews were involved in establishing the Communist
regime... Jews are taught to uphold the downtrodden, and that's how
communism came about." Susan Cohen 01/19/2001
http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717872510
"You are doubtless too stupid to realize, communism in its pure form is
not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it." Susan Cohen
January 19, 2001 (Susan is saying communism was GOOD before Stalin!)
http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717872510
>> bpg wrote:
>>
>> > Israeli settler is sentenced to community service for beating and
>> > kicking a 11 year old Palestinian child to death.
>> And when are ANY of the PLO thugs going to be sentenced
>> by their own authority for any of the worse crimes THEY commit?
>>
>> This is merely illustrative the differnce between the Israeli government
>> and the thugs with which they are dealing.
>>
>> Israeli crimes such as this horror are few & far between, and
>> readily punsihed as such by their government.
>>
>> The PLO, on the other hand, not only commits such things
>> whenever they get the chance, but they actively condone
>> and *encourage* them.
How do most people react to those who "occupy" their land, hold them at
gun point, limit their travel, and deny them due process? What was
"Israel" called before 1948? PALESTINE! Who are the people being denied
due process in their own homeland? PALESTINIANS! What does the Bible say
about Jews' claim to Palestine today?
This links says all:
http://x52.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=707260175
"G-d's Will - Jews No Longer OWN The Land Israel (For Your Archives) R 2"
>> > One may consider the cruel act of a Jew beating and kicking a small
>> > child to death the act of an individual but the refusal of the Israeli court to
>> > punish such a monster reflects on the racist, bigoted nazi state of
>> > Israel.
>> Wrong, See above.
>> > Put that into your calendar :-)>
>> Yes, so you will be able to see every year that Israeli
>> justice far outstrips PLO terrorism.
>Community service for murder is justice? Are you serious? For a dog,
>perhaps, but a human being - does Israeli justice hold Palestinian
>life-value on the level of dogs?
Jews tend to look down upon non-Jews as if they were just beasts of
burden. Jews teach they won't drink wine that has been handled by a
non-Jew after it's opened, Jews teach that non-Jews don't have souls,
and many other bigoted teachings as shown in these links with material;
from their very own web sites. Be sure to read my sig line too!
http://x67.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=692423152&fmt=text
"What Jews Teach About non-Jews and Their Souls (In Their Own Words)--"
http://x54.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=644210956&fmt=text
"Non-Jews Do NOT Have Souls - Only Jews Do! In Their Own Words Too!"
http://x65.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=673569033&fmt=text
"What Jews Teach About non-Jews and Wine (In Their Own Words) R 2"
http://x76.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=673550179&fmt=text
"L'Chaim Weekly - Shemot 1999-01-04 (In Their Very Own Words) Jewish
Bigotry Toward Non-Jews R 2"
http://x72.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=673578009&fmt=text
"How Jewish Teachings Imply that non-Jews are Defiled or Unclean (their
Own Words and Teachings) R 2"
http://x61.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=680505475&fmt=text
"Want to See Bigotry At Its Most Extreme? Visit Jewish Chabad's Search
Engine and Do Some Exploring!"
http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=673477007&fmt=text
"MUST READ...Genocide and Forced Labor (Original Creators Established
Within) Waged Against Gentiles"
http://x72.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=673578009&fmt=text
"How Jewish Teachings Imply that non-Jews are Defiled or Unclean (their
Own Words and Teachings) R 2"
http://x65.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=673810730&fmt=text
"Apologia For Communism (Jews Prefer Communism to Christianity) aka Re:
Why are Jews so defensive"
http://x52.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=633460989&fmt=text
"Insights to Geula - Lech Lecha -- Gentiles to be Slaves When "Jewish
Messiah" Arrives?!" MUST READ!!!!
http://x71.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=642125582&fmt=text
"Happy World Wide Independence Day" See what sort of treatment non-Jews
will receive in a Jewish Kingdom!
http://x74.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=670054521&fmt=text
"...All Men Are Created Equal is NOT a Jewish Concept..."
See how Jews do NOT want intermarriage with non-Jews which shows their
hypocrisy about white Gentiles not wanting "mud-people."
http://x54.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=644211140&fmt=text
"Exclusion Entirely of Non-Jews in the Jewish Scheme of Things!"
http://x54.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=707260187&fmt=text
"Lubavitchers - 'Separation' of Non-Jew From Jews (Bigoted Teachings
Toward Non-Jews) Divine Souls and Souls of Beasts R 2"
http://x75.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=660290000&fmt=text
"One Synagogue's Statement On Jews Marrying Non-Jews and More! (Archival
Version Repost)"
http://x54.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=660540311&fmt=text
"Re: One Synagogue's Statement On Jews Marrying Non-Jews and More!
(Supplemental Info) Souls and Wine"
My replies to those who would ridicule me on the two posts above:
http://x76.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=680505231&fmt=text
"Supreme Arrogance? One Synagogue's Statement On Jews Marrying Non-Jews
and More! (Classic Repost For YOUR Archives)"
http://x65.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=661538591&fmt=text
"B'nai B'rith's Racist Agenda, Bigotry and Talmudic References (Souls,
Wine, Beasts) [For Your Archives]" AN ABSOLUTE MUST READ!!!
The above links represent many hours of study and research. What I post is
factual and in most cases what Jews themselves teach. I invite one and all
to carefully read all of the material I provided and then make up their
own minds.
From DejaCom concerning their archives:
<http://www.deja.com/home_ps.shtml>
"Notice: Archive searches for postings prior to May 15, 1999, are
temporarily unavailable."
Doc Tavish
>NL
---
Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form
so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is
consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day
and night." Jewish Talmud
>Israeli settler is sentenced to community service for beating and kicking a
>11 year old Palestinian child to death.
The good news is that the anti-semitic bastard will never again attack a Jew
with a dangerous weapon.
"And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy
all the nations that come against Jerusalem." (Zechariah 12.9)
>If there is no reason for this to be sent to the Italian
You're certainly better than the PLO at shooting women and kids . . .
Neville Lindsay wrote:
> Community service for murder is justice? Are you serious?
And are we so sure that it was really murder?
And, as I pointed out, it's far more than the PLO
ever give for murder of Israelis.
> For a dog,
> perhaps, but a human being - does Israeli justice hold Palestinian
> life-value on the level of dogs?
Even if this were so, it would be far higher than the
PLO holds the Israelis.
Susan
Doc Tavish wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:54:40 -0500, Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote:
>
> "I do not deny that Jews were involved in establishing the Communist
> regime... Jews are taught to uphold the downtrodden, and that's how
> communism came about." Susan Cohen 01/19/2001
> http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717872510
Thanks for *once* not adding your own lies to what I actually said.
Doc Tavish wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 02:58:02 GMT, "Neville Lindsay"
> <nev...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
> >"Susan Cohen" <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
> >news:3A6E35DF...@his.com...
> >> If there is no reason for this to be sent to the Italian
> >> group, please let me know, either thru a post or e-mail.
>
> Here are some more things Susan Cohen wrote:
>
> "I do not deny that Jews were involved in establishing the Communist
> regime... Jews are taught to uphold the downtrodden, and that's how
> communism came about."
In Russia, of course. And what the other Russians did to it once it
was established is their own fault.
> Susan Cohen 01/19/2001
> http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717872510
>
> "You are doubtless too stupid to realize, communism in its pure form is
> not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it." Susan Cohen
> January 19, 2001 (Susan is saying communism was GOOD before Stalin!)
And, for the third (4th?) time, your own quoted document
proves you wrong. Either that, or perhaps you would like
to somehow prove that I was talking about Communism
as anything other than a theory?
>
> http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717872510
>
> >> bpg wrote:
> >>
> >> > Israeli settler is sentenced to community service for beating and
> >> > kicking a 11 year old Palestinian child to death.
>
> >> And when are ANY of the PLO thugs going to be sentenced
> >> by their own authority for any of the worse crimes THEY commit?
> >>
> >> This is merely illustrative the differnce between the Israeli government
> >> and the thugs with which they are dealing.
> >>
> >> Israeli crimes such as this horror are few & far between, and
> >> readily punsihed as such by their government.
> >>
> >> The PLO, on the other hand, not only commits such things
> >> whenever they get the chance, but they actively condone
> >> and *encourage* them.
>
> How do most people react to those who "occupy" their land
You are confusing Israel with America, and the PLO with the
Native Americans.
Not that the truth means anything to you, of course.
David Shaw wrote:
Wow - that's even futher from the truth than anyting Scotty
spews! What a load of manure! That's something the PLO
*specializes* in!
Oh no, wait a minute - that's *bombing* women & children.
Israeli soldiers only shoot people with weapons in their hands.
A rock is a weapon - as is a molotov cocktail, a rifle and a
machine gun. Which is what they're using - all the while putting
their children in front of them so people like you can lie about
what's really going on over there.
Susan
How should an occupied people view the occupiers who deny them the basic
rights of due process? SAVIORS?
How do most people react to those who "occupy" their land, hold them at
gun point, limit their travel, and deny them due process? What was
"Israel" called before 1948? PALESTINE! Who are the people being denied
due process in their own homeland? PALESTINIANS! What does the Bible say
about Jews' claim to Palestine today?
This links says all:
http://x52.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=707260175
"G-d's Will - Jews No Longer OWN The Land Israel (For Your Archives) R 2"
>> > One may consider the cruel act of a Jew beating and kicking a small
>> > child to death the act of an individual but the refusal of the Israeli court to
>> > punish such a monster reflects on the racist, bigoted nazi state of
>> > Israel.
>> Wrong, See above.
>> > Put that into your calendar :-)>
>> Yes, so you will be able to see every year that Israeli
>> justice far outstrips PLO terrorism.
>Community service for murder is justice? Are you serious? For a dog,
>perhaps, but a human being - does Israeli justice hold Palestinian
>life-value on the level of dogs?
Jews tend to look down upon non-Jews as if they were just beasts of
My lies? Look at what you said! snicker snicker
Here's another quote from you air-head:
"You are doubtless too stupid to realize, communism in its pure form is
not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it." Susan Cohen
January 19, 2001 (Susan is saying communism was GOOD before Stalin!)
http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717872510
Look who is calling whoi stupid. You admit that communism was pure before
Stalin and you also said: "I do not deny that Jews were involved in
establishing the Communist regime."
Your are rather pathetic aren't you?
Doc Tavish
---
"The fact that a community in Israel adopts the kibbutz way of life does
not force a person in either direction, and the adoption of Communism
is not necessarily linked to atheism either..."
From: /Jewish Lists/oxford-judaism/930810 (January 16, 2001)
http://www.shamash.org/tanach/tanach/commentary/oxford-judaism/capitalism-communism
Nothing is so ever funny seeing your kind display their deep denial.
ROTFLMAO
Doc Tavish
---
"We are not allowed to drink any wine or grape juice, or any drink
containing wine or grape juice, which has been touched by a non-Jew
after the seal of the bottle has been opened."
<http://www.kashrus.org/kosher/supervis.html> Information taken from:
Is it Kosher, Rabbi E. Eidlitz and Spice and Spirit, The Lubavitch
Women's Cookbook Publications (September 15, 2000)
>Doc Tavish wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 02:58:02 GMT, "Neville Lindsay"
>> <nev...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>
>> >"Susan Cohen" <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
>> >news:3A6E35DF...@his.com...
>> >> If there is no reason for this to be sent to the Italian
>> >> group, please let me know, either thru a post or e-mail.
BTW Susan why did you add <misc.legal> to the news groups this is being
posted to? I didn't add it for sure!
>> Here are some more things Susan Cohen wrote:
>>
>> "I do not deny that Jews were involved in establishing the Communist
>> regime... Jews are taught to uphold the downtrodden, and that's how
>> communism came about."
>In Russia, of course. And what the other Russians did to it once it
>was established is their own fault.
You mean other Russian Jews?
>> Susan Cohen 01/19/2001
>> http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717872510
>>
>> "You are doubtless too stupid to realize, communism in its pure form is
>> not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it." Susan Cohen
>> January 19, 2001 (Susan is saying communism was GOOD before Stalin!)
>And, for the third (4th?) time, your own quoted document
>proves you wrong. Either that, or perhaps you would like
>to somehow prove that I was talking about Communism
>as anything other than a theory?
You weren't referring to communism in theory-- you were speaking of its
implementation. If you weren't speaking of its implementation and were
speaking of it as a theory then you would not have said: "communism in its
pure form is not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it." I take
it that you are saying that communism was good before Stalin and to
support my claim I ask-- why do we never see Jews criticize the communism
which existed before Stalin took control? You will never see Jewry
denounce communism other than what Stalin did after he came to power and
even then most Jews accepted him in stride and worked to support his
regime ala "BUSINESS AS USUAL".
>> http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717872510
>>
>> >> bpg wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Israeli settler is sentenced to community service for beating and
>> >> > kicking a 11 year old Palestinian child to death.
>>
>> >> And when are ANY of the PLO thugs going to be sentenced
>> >> by their own authority for any of the worse crimes THEY commit?
>> >>
>> >> This is merely illustrative the differnce between the Israeli government
>> >> and the thugs with which they are dealing.
>> >>
>> >> Israeli crimes such as this horror are few & far between, and
>> >> readily punsihed as such by their government.
>> >>
>> >> The PLO, on the other hand, not only commits such things
>> >> whenever they get the chance, but they actively condone
>> >> and *encourage* them.
>>
>> How do most people react to those who "occupy" their land
>You are confusing Israel with America, and the PLO with the
>Native Americans.
>
>Not that the truth means anything to you, of course.
Nothing is so ever funny seeing your kind display their deep denial.
You will never get people like 'cohen' to criticise Israel.
Ken Mcvay , why not put into your calender ?
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
tou...@my-deja.com wrote:
> You will never get people like 'cohen' to criticise Israel.
Or, rather, you won't get anyone with a brain to believe
the lies told about her by people like you.
And, since I'm the one who actually uses a name, there's
no need for you to put it in quotes.
You're the coward here, not me.
Doc Tavish wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 02:10:01 -0500, Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Doc Tavish wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:54:40 -0500, Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> "I do not deny that Jews were involved in establishing the Communist
> >> regime... Jews are taught to uphold the downtrodden, and that's how
> >> communism came about." Susan Cohen 01/19/2001
> >> http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717872510
>
> >Thanks for *once* not adding your own lies to what I actually said.
>
> My lies?
Yes, the lie you posted
> Look at what you said! snicker snicker
>
> Here's another quote from you air-head:
What a moron you are!
It's not "another" quote, air-head, it's the same one you keep lying about!
> "You are doubtless too stupid to realize, communism in its pure form is
> not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it." Susan Cohen
> January 19, 2001
Yes, this is the *end* of *my* quote. And here -
> (Susan is saying communism was GOOD before Stalin!)
- is your lie.
You keep pretending that my discussion of theoretical Communism
is the same as Communism as parcticed by Stalin.
And all because you're a brainless jackass.
> http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717872510
>
> Look who is calling whoi stupid.
I'm calling you stupid, because, among other things, you can't even spell.
> You admit that communism was pure before Stalin
No, anal orifice. I say no such thing.
You just inserted that interpretation because you can
never win an argument on facts.
> and you also said: "I do not deny that Jews were involved in
> establishing the Communist regime."
Right. Communism before Stalin, which wasn't the same.
> Your are rather pathetic aren't you?
My what are patheitc? My enemies? Yes, they are.
Doc Tavish wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 02:12:40 -0500, Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote:
>
> >Doc Tavish wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 02:58:02 GMT, "Neville Lindsay"
> >> <nev...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >>
> >> >"Susan Cohen" <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:3A6E35DF...@his.com...
> >> >> If there is no reason for this to be sent to the Italian
> >> >> group, please let me know, either thru a post or e-mail.
>
> BTW Susan why did you add <misc.legal> to the news groups this is being posted
> to? I didn't add it for sure!
Put down the bottle, Bradbury. It's been in the thread
since the beginning.
You really are desperate, aren't you?
> >> Here are some more things Susan Cohen wrote:
> >>
> >> "I do not deny that Jews were involved in establishing the Communist
> >> regime... Jews are taught to uphold the downtrodden, and that's how
> >> communism came about."
>
> >In Russia, of course. And what the other Russians did to it once it
> >was established is their own fault.
>
> You mean other Russian Jews?
Of course not, but you knew that already.
>
>
> >> Susan Cohen 01/19/2001
> >> http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717872510
> >>
> >> "You are doubtless too stupid to realize, communism in its pure form is
> >> not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it." Susan Cohen
> >> January 19, 2001 (Susan is saying communism was GOOD before Stalin!)
>
> >And, for the third (4th?) time, your own quoted document
> >proves you wrong. Either that, or perhaps you would like
> >to somehow prove that I was talking about Communism
> >as anything other than a theory?
>
> You weren't referring to communism in theory-- you were speaking of its
> implementation.
You lie, of course.
What you want to pretend I was saying is your business, but,
unless you can prove it (which you can't) you'd be better off not
insetting on it. At least not in public.
> If you weren't speaking of its implementation and were
> speaking of it as a theory then you would not have said: "communism in its
> pure form is not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it."
And why not? Because it would make you look like the jackass
that you are when you try to pretend that it's what you want it to have been,
rather than what it was?
> I take
> it that you are saying that communism was good before Stalin
I know that's how you wanted to take it.
You've been repeating yourself ad absurdum to that effect
> and to support my claim I ask-- why do we never see Jews criticize the communism
>
> which existed before Stalin took control?
Because there was very little to criticize.
> You will never see Jewry
> denounce communism other than what Stalin did after he came to power and
> even then most Jews accepted him in stride and worked to support his
> regime ala "BUSINESS AS USUAL".
WRONG AGAIN, AS USUAL
>
>
> >> http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717872510
> >>
> >> >> bpg wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Israeli settler is sentenced to community service for beating and
> >> >> > kicking a 11 year old Palestinian child to death.
> >>
> >> >> And when are ANY of the PLO thugs going to be sentenced
> >> >> by their own authority for any of the worse crimes THEY commit?
> >> >>
> >> >> This is merely illustrative the differnce between the Israeli government
> >> >> and the thugs with which they are dealing.
> >> >>
> >> >> Israeli crimes such as this horror are few & far between, and
> >> >> readily punsihed as such by their government.
> >> >>
> >> >> The PLO, on the other hand, not only commits such things
> >> >> whenever they get the chance, but they actively condone
> >> >> and *encourage* them.
> >>
> >> How do most people react to those who "occupy" their land
>
> >You are confusing Israel with America, and the PLO with the
> >Native Americans.
> >
> >Not that the truth means anything to you, of course.
>
> Nothing is so ever funny seeing your kind display their deep denial.
Translation: Scotty has no rebuttal but blanket (& black) denial.
> ROTFLMAO
I guess that's what happens when you fall off the barstool.
Doc Tavish wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 02:09:24 -0500, Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote:
>
> >Neville Lindsay wrote:
> >
> >> Community service for murder is justice? Are you serious?
> >
> >And are we so sure that it was really murder?
> >And, as I pointed out, it's far more than the PLO
> >ever give for murder of Israelis.
>
> >> For a dog,
> >> perhaps, but a human being - does Israeli justice hold Palestinian
> >> life-value on the level of dogs?
>
> >Even if this were so, it would be far higher than the
> >PLO holds the Israelis.
> >
> >Susan
>
> How should an occupied people view the occupiers who deny them the basic
> rights of due process? SAVIORS?
Hey - that's how you think the native Americans should view
you, right?
Luckily, Israel isn't in the same position.
> How do most people react to those who "occupy" their land, hold them at
> gun point, limit their travel, and deny them due process?
Well, the Israelis are trying to punish those terrorists.
Nice of you to notice.
> What was
> "Israel" called before 1948? PALESTINE!
And what was Jordan called before 1927?
And what was "Palestine" called before 1914?
> Who are the people being denied
> due process in their own homeland? PALESTINIANS!
WRONG! (But you keep repeating it, if it makes you feel any better)
> What does the Bible say
> about Jews' claim to Palestine today?
Who cares? That's not the point here at all.
aaa wrote:
> >>Israeli settler is sentenced to community service for beating and kicking a
> >>11 year old Palestinian child to death.
> >
> >The good news is that the anti-semitic bastard will never again attack a Jew
> >with a dangerous weapon.
>
> With an attitude like that, I'd be pro-anti-semitic as well. The real
> good news is rational people can see that many who claim to be Jews are
> adopting a KKK/Nazi mentality.
And how many times have you pointed fingers at
the terrorists who deliberately target entire busloads
of Jewish children?
How about the 16 year old who was just lured and killed
by the PLO?
Susan
Joe Bruno
>Doc Tavish wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 02:10:01 -0500, Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote:
>> >Doc Tavish wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:54:40 -0500, Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "I do not deny that Jews were involved in establishing the Communist
>> >> regime... Jews are taught to uphold the downtrodden, and that's how
>> >> communism came about." Susan Cohen 01/19/2001
>> >> http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717872510
>> >Thanks for *once* not adding your own lies to what I actually said.
>> My lies?
>Yes, the lie you posted
I posted what you said and gave the URL to it.
>> Look at what you said! snicker snicker
>>
>> Here's another quote from you air-head:
>What a moron you are!
>It's not "another" quote, air-head, it's the same one you keep lying about!
I keep lying about? You said it and I gave the URL so all may verify it!
>> "You are doubtless too stupid to realize, communism in its pure form is
>> not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it." Susan Cohen
>> January 19, 2001
>Yes, this is the *end* of *my* quote. And here -
>> (Susan is saying communism was GOOD before Stalin!)
>- is your lie.
My lie? One can only conclude that you were declaring communism was pure
before Stalin and his successors made it "evil". I conclude that you don't
believe the slaughter of millions of kulaks by the Bolsheviks as being
evil.
>You keep pretending that my discussion of theoretical Communism
>is the same as Communism as parcticed by Stalin.
>And all because you're a brainless jackass.
Ah the name call. We weren't talking about theoretical communism.
>> http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717872510
>>
>> Look who is calling whoi stupid.
>I'm calling you stupid, because, among other things, you can't even spell.
One typo. You should see Yale F. Edeiken's posts!
>> You admit that communism was pure before Stalin
>No, anal orifice. I say no such thing.
>You just inserted that interpretation because you can
>never win an argument on facts.
I always show facts and URLs, what your own people write and more BUT all
I ever see is YOUR opinion!
>> and you also said: "I do not deny that Jews were involved in
>> establishing the Communist regime."
>Right. Communism before Stalin, which wasn't the same.
You mean the communism you referred to as "pure communism" before Stalin
and his successors made it evil?
>> Your are rather pathetic aren't you?
>My what are patheitc? My enemies? Yes, they are.
I call you stupid now, because, among other things, you can't even spell.
>> Doc Tavish
---
"I do not deny that Jews were involved in establishing the
Communist regime." Susan Cohen January 19, 2001
http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717950842&fmt=text
>Doc Tavish wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 02:12:40 -0500, Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Doc Tavish wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 02:58:02 GMT, "Neville Lindsay"
>> >> <nev...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >"Susan Cohen" <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
>> >> >news:3A6E35DF...@his.com...
>> >> >> If there is no reason for this to be sent to the Italian
>> >> >> group, please let me know, either thru a post or e-mail.
>> BTW Susan why did you add <misc.legal> to the news groups this is being posted
>> to? I didn't add it for sure!
>Put down the bottle, Bradbury.
Ah the old personal insults again.
>It's been in the thread since the beginning.
That may be so. I just noticed. I had a person from that news group
treat me in a sporting manner and I didn't want him to think I dragged a
bunch of liars into the group with me.
>You really are desperate, aren't you?
You're the one desperate. You've already made some very astounding
confessions in the past week and I invite all the lurkers to click the new
upgraded link and see how you've said:
"I do not deny that Jews were involved in establishing the Communist
regime... Jews are taught to uphold the downtrodden, and that's how
communism came about." Susan Cohen 01/19/2001
http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717950842&fmt=text
"You are doubtless too stupid to realize, communism in its pure form is
not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it." Susan Cohen
January 19, 2001 (Susan is saying communism was GOOD before Stalin!)
http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717950842&fmt=text
Let the lurkers click the link and let them read you in full context and
they will see all you do is run your mouth and they will see that I
present many URLs, documents form the Library of Congress, Universities,
and yes, what Jews themselves write. You're just a mouth Susan and you
think what you say is true because YOU say it. I have never seen a post
where you have ever shown any documentation to back up your opinion!
Here are classic examples of how you run your mouth:
Here is your personal insult you made regarding the facts:
http://x58.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=670077353
Subject: Re: Why Is It Jews Always Seem to Endorse Homosexuality? (Any
Jews Wanting to Go on Public Record Denouncing Homo Lifestyle?)
Date: 09/15/2000
Author: Susan Cohen <fla...@hers.com>
Scotty Bradbury wrote:
> Christians aren't under the Old Covenant or Mosaic Law. They are under the
> New Covenant. Either covenant condemns homosexuality
No, it doesn't.
Maybe yours does - I haven't read it. But you obviously
haven't read the Torah. Which doesn;t surprise me; it's
just like your ilk to condemn things about which you don't
really know.
~~End of DejaCom Archive~~
All you can do is make personal attack and then imply I did not know what
I was talking about and then guess what? I slam dunked you and have you
admitting that YOU have not read the Torah. See how YOUR mouth gets you
into trouble and how YOUR opinions won't survive facts!?
http://x58.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=707258810&fmt=text
"Doc Tavish Slam Dunks Susan Cohen Again! aka Why Is It Jews Always Seem
to Endorse Homosexuality? --(Any Jews Wanting to Go on Public Record
Denouncing Homo Lifestyle?) R 2"
(EXCERPT)
On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:47:05 -0400, "Martin Smith" <RUST...@prodigy.net>
wrote:
>Susan,
>
>Surely the O.T./ Torah condemns homosexuality - the oft cited passages in
>Leviticus for example.
>
>Martin
>Susan Cohen <fla...@hers.com> wrote in message
>news:39C1EDD9...@hers.com...
>>
>>
>> Scotty Bradbury wrote:
>>
>> > Christians aren't under the Old Covenant or Mosaic Law. They are under
>> > the New Covenant. Either covenant condemns homosexuality
>> No, it doesn't.
>> Maybe yours does - I haven't read it.
Key words-- "I haven't read it"
>>But you obviously haven't read the Torah.
I have (you just admitted you haven't) and it condemns homosexuality and
provides the death penalty for those engaging in it. It says a nation can
become unclean by allowing it to happen! Leviticus 18:27,28 "The people
who lived in the land before you did all these disgusting perversions and
defiled the land. But [you shall not cause] the land to vomit you out when
you defile it, as it vomited out the nation that was there before you."
Care to deny the following text exists clueless know it all?
Xref: http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=622398842
The Torah I have access to says:
http://www.mnemotrix.com/texis/vtx/chumash
Chumash References
Acharey Mot, Leviticus Chapter 18
18 : 22 Do not lie with a male as you would with a woman, since this is a
disgusting perversion.
18 : 23 Do not perform any sexual act with an animal, since it will defile
you. A woman shall [likewise] not give herself to an animal and allow it
to mate with her. This is an utterly detestable perversion. 18 : 24 Do not
let yourselves be defiled by any of these acts. It was as a result of them
that the nations that I am driving away before you became defiled. 18 : 25
The land became defiled, and when I directed My providence at the sin
committed there, the land vomited out its inhabitants. 18 : 26 You,
[however,] must keep My decrees and laws, and not
become involved in any of these disgusting perversions - neither the
native born nor any foreigner who settles among you.
18 : 27 The people who lived in the land before you did all these
disgusting perversions and defiled the land.
18 : 28 But [you shall not cause] the land to vomit you out when you
defile it, as it vomited out the nation that was there before you. 18 : 29
Thus, whenever anyone does any of these disgusting
perversions, [all] the people involved shall be cut off [spiritually] from
the midst of their people.
18 : 30 Keep My charge, and do not follow any of the perverted customs
that were kept before you [arrived], so that you not be defiled by them. I
am God your Lord.
The same Torah also says:
Chumash References
Kedoshim, Leviticus Chapter 20
20 : 7 You must sanctify yourselves and be holy, for I am God your Lord.
20 : 8 Safeguard My decrees and keep them, since I am God [and] I am
making you holy.
20 : 9 Any person who curses his father or mother shall therefore be put
to death. Since he has cursed his father or mother, he shall be stoned to
death.
20 : 10 If a man commits adultery with a married woman, [and] she is the
wife of a fellow [Israelite], both the adulterer and adulteress shall be
put to death.
20 : 11 If a man has intercourse with his father's wife, he has
committed a sexual offense against his father. Therefore, both of them
shall be put to death by stoning.
20 : 12 If a man has intercourse with his daughter-in-law, both of them
shall be put to death. Since they have committed an utterly detestable
perversion, they shall be stoned to death.
20 : 13 If a man has intercourse with another man in the same manner as
with a woman, both of them have committed a disgusting perversion. They
shall be put to death by stoning.
[ ... ]
20 : 23 Do not follow the customs of the nation that I am driving out
before you, since they did all the above mentioned [perversions] and I was
disgusted with them.
20 : 24 I therefore said to you, "Take over their land. I will give it to
you so that you can inherit it - a land flowing with milk and honey. I am
God your Lord who has separated you out from among all the nations.
Notes:
20 : 2 pelt him to death... After trial by a duly ordained Sanhedrin.
Since there is no such ordination today, death penalties are not imposed.
20 : 9 he shall be stoned... (Sanhedrin 66a; Rashi; from 20:27). Expressed
idiomatically by, "his blood is in him." This indicates that he shall be
killed by a method that induces internal bleeding, and this is stoning.
See Exodus 21:17.
20 : 11 If a man... The Torah now gives the penalties for the sexual
offenses outlined in Leviticus 18:6-23.
20 : 12 utterly detestable perversion Tevel. See Leviticus 18:23.
20 : 12 stoned to death See Leviticus 20:9.
20 : 13 by stoning See Leviticus 20:9.
20 : 23 Do not follow the customs This is a specific commandment not to
follow gentile customs (Sefer HaMitzvoth, Negative 30). See Leviticus
18:3.
~~End of DejaCom Archival Excerpt~~
In the example above all you did is run your mouth and you admitted that
you haven't read the Torah yet you sought to contradict me without knowing
the facts-- which you always do.
Now let the lurker compare what I provided above directly from an online
Torah to Susan's feeble reply in which again all she can do is run her
mouth!
http://x72.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=671167672
Subject: Re: Scotty Bradbury Slam Dunks HIMSELF - AGAIN, As Usual!
Date: 09/18/2000
Author: Susan Cohen <fla...@hers.com>
Doc Tavish wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 19:09:25 GMT, "Richard G. Phillips" <rgp...@home.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Susan Cohen wrote:
> >>
> >> Though my computer ate the post, it was easy to see in just the
> >> short view I had of it that poor old brainless Scotty has thrown
> >> together a collection of inaccurate quotes
> Let the reader decide! Why did you delete contiguous text which was in
> context from the Torah?
I didn't delete a damned thing, moron.
There was absolutely *noyhing* from you in the
post that I wrote - because I *lost that post*
However, there was nothing in your post which proved
you right - in fact, it proved me right.
> Can't admit it when you're wrong can you?
Oh, *please* don't confuse me with you!
> >> and - as usual - pretended that his own posts are proof of whatever
> >> it is he wants to say!
> The Torah "spoke for itself."
And it proved me right, not you.
> >> No, the Torah does NOT condemn homosexuality
> Why does it command the stoning of those who engage in it?
Just goes to show how stupid you are.
The Torah condemns specific acts, not the state of homosexuality. Do get
at least one clue!!
> >>- tho' I am
> >> sure that whatever book Scotty reveres does condemn it.
> >> Big deal. The only thing the Torah condemns in that area are
> >> specific activities - not the state of being homosexual.
> Again here is exactly what the Torah says:
Ah, I knew if I announced that my computer had eaten the
post, you'd give me the chance to demolish you more thoroughly!
Thank you for being your usual dumb self.
> http://www.mnemotrix.com/texis/vtx/chumash
>
> Blessing before Torah Study
> http://www.mnemotrix.com/metsudah/bless1.html
>
> Chumash References
> Acharey Mot, Leviticus Chapter 18
>
> 18 : 22 Do not lie with a male as you would with a woman, since this is a
> disgusting perversion.
Well, that's the translation of whatever you picked up;
it's close neough. But it only refers ot one act & one act only.
> 18 : 23 Do not perform any sexual act with an animal, since it will defile
> you. A woman shall [likewise] not give herself to an animal and allow it
> to mate with her. This is an utterly detestable perversion.
Because you obviously do not understand what homosexuality
is, let me point out that nothing in 18:23 refers to it.
> 18 : 24 Do not let yourselves be defiled by any of these acts. It was as a
> result of them that the nations that I am driving away before you became
> defiled.
> 18 : 25 The land became defiled, and when I directed My providence at the
> sin committed there, the land vomited out its inhabitants.
> 18 : 26 You, [however,] must keep My decrees and laws, and not
> become involved in any of these disgusting perversions - neither the
> native born nor any foreigner who settles among you.
> 18 : 27 The people who lived in the land before you did all these
> disgusting perversions and defiled the land.
> 18 : 28 But [you shall not cause] the land to vomit you out when you
> defile it, as it vomited out the nation that was there before you.
> 18 : 29 Thus, whenever anyone does any of these disgusting
> perversions, [all] the people involved shall be cut off [spiritually] from
> the midst of their people.
> 18 : 30 Keep My charge, and do not follow any of the perverted customs
> that were kept before you [arrived], so that you not be defiled by them. I
> am God your Lord.
Nice admonitions, which don't refer to the state of being homosexual.
Since you will have your usual coniptions (& delusions of adequacy) if I
delete any of the following text, I won't. I will, however, point out that
none of these have anything to do with the state of homosexuality.
> The same Torah also says:
> Chumash References
> Kedoshim, Leviticus Chapter 20
>
> 20 : 7 You must sanctify yourselves and be holy, for I am God your Lord.
> 20 : 8 Safeguard My decrees and keep them, since I am God [and] I am
> making you holy.
> 20 : 9 Any person who curses his father or mother shall therefore be put
> to death. Since he has cursed his father or mother, he shall be stoned to
> death.
> 20 : 10 If a man commits adultery with a married woman, [and] she is the
> wife of a fellow [Israelite], both the adulterer and adulteress shall be
> put to death.
> 20 : 11 If a man has intercourse with his father's wife, he has
> committed a sexual offense against his father. Therefore, both of them
> shall be put to death by stoning.
> 20 : 12 If a man has intercourse with his daughter-in-law, both of them
> shall be put to death. Since they have committed an utterly detestable
> perversion, they shall be stoned to death.
> 20 : 13 If a man has intercourse with another man in the same manner as
> with a woman, both of them have committed a disgusting perversion. They
> shall be put to death by stoning.
>
> [ ... ]
>
> 20 : 23 Do not follow the customs of the nation that I am driving out
> before you, since they did all the above mentioned [perversions] and I was
> disgusted with them.
> 20 : 24 I therefore said to you, "Take over their land. I will give it to
> you so that you can inherit it - a land flowing with milk and honey. I am
> God your Lord who has separated you out from among all the nations.
>
> Notes:
>
> 20 : 2 pelt him to death... After trial by a duly ordained Sanhedrin.
> Since there is no such ordination today, death penalties are not imposed.
>
> 20 : 9 he shall be stoned... (Sanhedrin 66a; Rashi; from 20:27). Expressed
> idiomatically by, "his blood is in him." This indicates that he shall be
> killed by a method that induces internal bleeding, and this is stoning.
> See Exodus 21:17.
>
> 20 : 11 If a man... The Torah now gives the penalties for the sexual
> offenses outlined in Leviticus 18:6-23.
>
> 20 : 12 utterly detestable perversion Tevel. See Leviticus 18:23.
>
> 20 : 12 stoned to death See Leviticus 20:9.
>
> 20 : 13 by stoning See Leviticus 20:9.
>
> 20 : 23 Do not follow the customs This is a specific commandment not to
> follow gentile customs (Sefer HaMitzvoth, Negative 30). See Leviticus
> 18:3.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Once again Susan Cohen is exposed as being a complete idiot!
Once again, Scotty Bradbury shows himself to be a complete idiot!
Especially if he believes that I am in any way incorrect!
> Her fellow
> Jews in their adulation of homosexuals violate what the Torah commands!
Totally wrong on all counts!
> I don't mind it if Susan keeps making an ass of herself!
You obviously don't mind showing that you're the only ass, here, because
you are constantly thinking of ways to expose yourself as one.
> >ARe you telling us that the Torah says it's OK to be a cocksucker as
> >long as you don't suck cocks?
> >
> >Rather a narrow road to travel, wouldn't you agree?
> >
> >=================================================
> >> Scotty's foul-mouthed crowing over nonexistent victories, both past
> >> and present, mixing with sexual fantasies, only shows just how
> >> miserable and sad he really is. Get a clue, Scotty - and then maybe
> >> you'll get a life.
> Can't refute plain fact presented from the Torah itself
I most certainly can/did/have done.
You, OTOH, wouldn't know Toah if you tripped over it.
You've shown *that* by your mindless cutting and pasting.
Only *one sentence* of all the stuff you posted directly dealt
with anything that you were trying to say, and NONE of it
upheld your point of view.
> so you lay on with the personal attack!
You mean like you did above with the sleazy sexual inuendo?
It's amazing how you can even post your own failures, and
yet try to blame other peope for having them!
> How Jewish of you Pharisee!
Hmmm. In the previous post that my computer ate,
you refred to me as a bitch - does this make you
a Jewish Pharisee?
(Doc Tavish comment January 24, 2001: You are a Pharisee and yes-- a bitch
too!)
> Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form
> so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is
> consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day
> and night." Jewish Talmud
Total lie.
Susan
~~End of Exact DejaCom Archive~~
See how all Susan can do is run her mouth and she will still deny
homosexuals being stoned or pelted to death with stones for their acts.
>> >> Here are some more things Susan Cohen wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "I do not deny that Jews were involved in establishing the Communist
>> >> regime... Jews are taught to uphold the downtrodden, and that's how
>> >> communism came about."
>> >In Russia, of course. And what the other Russians did to it once it
>> >was established is their own fault.
>> You mean other Russian Jews?
>
>Of course not, but you knew that already.
You're the one who said:
"I do not deny that Jews were involved in establishing the
Communist regime." Susan Cohen January 19, 2001
http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717950842&fmt=text
>> >> Susan Cohen 01/19/2001
>> >> http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717872510
>> >>
>> >> "You are doubtless too stupid to realize, communism in its pure form is
>> >> not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it." Susan Cohen
>> >> January 19, 2001 (Susan is saying communism was GOOD before Stalin!)
>> >And, for the third (4th?) time, your own quoted document
>> >proves you wrong. Either that, or perhaps you would like
>> >to somehow prove that I was talking about Communism
>> >as anything other than a theory?
>> You weren't referring to communism in theory-- you were speaking of its
>> implementation.
>You lie, of course.
>What you want to pretend I was saying is your business, but,
>unless you can prove it (which you can't) you'd be better off not
>insetting on it. At least not in public.
>> If you weren't speaking of its implementation and were
>> speaking of it as a theory then you would not have said: "communism in its
>> pure form is not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it."
>And why not? Because it would make you look like the jackass
>that you are when you try to pretend that it's what you want it to have been,
>rather than what it was?
>> I take it that you are saying that communism was good before Stalin
>I know that's how you wanted to take it.
>You've been repeating yourself ad absurdum to that effect
You did say exactly:
"You are doubtless too stupid to realize, communism in its pure form is
not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it." Susan Cohen
January 19, 2001
http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717950842&fmt=text
>> and to support my claim I ask-- why do we never see Jews criticize the communism
>> which existed before Stalin took control?
>Because there was very little to criticize.
So you are now admitting communism was actually GOOD before Stalin and his
successors made it the evil it became to paraphrase your: "communism in
its pure form is not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it."?
>> You will never see Jewry
>> denounce communism other than what Stalin did after he came to power and
>> even then most Jews accepted him in stride and worked to support his
>> regime ala "BUSINESS AS USUAL".
>WRONG AGAIN, AS USUAL
You, yourself, just said above concerning communism before Stalin:
"there was very little to criticize" Looks to me like I have one Jew
approving of Pre-Stalin era communism. Care to think of all the kulaks
slaughtered by communists before the Stalin era?
>> >> http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717872510
>> >>
>> >> >> bpg wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Israeli settler is sentenced to community service for beating and
>> >> >> > kicking a 11 year old Palestinian child to death.
>> >> >> And when are ANY of the PLO thugs going to be sentenced
>> >> >> by their own authority for any of the worse crimes THEY commit?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This is merely illustrative the differnce between the Israeli government
>> >> >> and the thugs with which they are dealing.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Israeli crimes such as this horror are few & far between, and
>> >> >> readily punsihed as such by their government.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The PLO, on the other hand, not only commits such things
>> >> >> whenever they get the chance, but they actively condone
>> >> >> and *encourage* them.
>> >> How do most people react to those who "occupy" their land
>> >You are confusing Israel with America, and the PLO with the
>> >Native Americans.
>> >
>> >Not that the truth means anything to you, of course.
>> Nothing is so ever funny seeing your kind display their deep denial.
>Translation: Scotty has no rebuttal but blanket (& black) denial.
I've always proved my point with documentation-- rather it is you who does
as you've accused me of doing.
>> ROTFLMAO
>I guess that's what happens when you fall off the barstool.
Personal attack and smear is really all you have isn't it other than
flapping your mouth and giving your opinions as fact.
>Doc Tavish wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 02:12:40 -0500, Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Doc Tavish wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 02:58:02 GMT, "Neville Lindsay"
>> >> <nev...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >"Susan Cohen" <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
>> >> >news:3A6E35DF...@his.com...
>> >> >> If there is no reason for this to be sent to the Italian
>> >> >> group, please let me know, either thru a post or e-mail.
>> BTW Susan why did you add <misc.legal> to the news groups this is being posted
>> to? I didn't add it for sure!
>Put down the bottle, Bradbury.
Ah the old personal insults again.
>It's been in the thread since the beginning.
That may be so. I just noticed. I had a person from that news group
treat me in a sporting manner and I didn't want him to think I dragged a
bunch of liars into the group with me.
>You really are desperate, aren't you?
You're the one desperate. You've already made some very astounding
confessions in the past week and I invite all the lurkers to click the new
upgraded link and see how you've said:
"I do not deny that Jews were involved in establishing the Communist
regime... Jews are taught to uphold the downtrodden, and that's how
communism came about." Susan Cohen 01/19/2001
http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717950842&fmt=text
"You are doubtless too stupid to realize, communism in its pure form is
not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it." Susan Cohen
January 19, 2001 (Susan is saying communism was GOOD before Stalin!)
http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717950842&fmt=text
~~End of DejaCom Archive~~
[Torah text deleted that does not apply to homosexuality in this post. To
read what I deleted just click the link I gave above. Doc Tavish
01/24/2001)
The same Torah also says:
Chumash References
Kedoshim, Leviticus Chapter 20
[Torah text deleted that does not apply to homosexuality in this post. To
read what I deleted just click the link I gave above. Doc Tavish
01/24/2001)
20 : 13 If a man has intercourse with another man in the same manner as
with a woman, both of them have committed a disgusting perversion. They
shall be put to death by stoning.
Notes:
20 : 2 pelt him to death... After trial by a duly ordained Sanhedrin.
Since there is no such ordination today, death penalties are not imposed.
20 : 9 he shall be stoned... (Sanhedrin 66a; Rashi; from 20:27). Expressed
idiomatically by, "his blood is in him." This indicates that he shall be
killed by a method that induces internal bleeding, and this is stoning.
See Exodus 21:17.
20 : 11 If a man... The Torah now gives the penalties for the sexual
offenses outlined in Leviticus 18:6-23.
20 : 12 utterly detestable perversion Tevel. See Leviticus 18:23.
20 : 12 stoned to death See Leviticus 20:9.
20 : 13 by stoning See Leviticus 20:9.
> Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form
> so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is
> consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day
> and night." Jewish Talmud
Total lie.
Susan
~~End of Exact DejaCom Archive~~
See how all Susan can do is run her mouth and she will still deny
homosexuals being stoned or pelted to death with stones for their acts.
>> >> Here are some more things Susan Cohen wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "I do not deny that Jews were involved in establishing the Communist
>> >> regime... Jews are taught to uphold the downtrodden, and that's how
>> >> communism came about."
>> >In Russia, of course. And what the other Russians did to it once it
>> >was established is their own fault.
>> You mean other Russian Jews?
>
>Of course not, but you knew that already.
You're the one who said:
"I do not deny that Jews were involved in establishing the
Communist regime." Susan Cohen January 19, 2001
http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717950842&fmt=text
>> >> Susan Cohen 01/19/2001
>> >> http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717872510
>> >>
>> >> "You are doubtless too stupid to realize, communism in its pure form is
>> >> not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it." Susan Cohen
>> >> January 19, 2001 (Susan is saying communism was GOOD before Stalin!)
>> >And, for the third (4th?) time, your own quoted document
>> >proves you wrong. Either that, or perhaps you would like
>> >to somehow prove that I was talking about Communism
>> >as anything other than a theory?
>> You weren't referring to communism in theory-- you were speaking of its
>> implementation.
>You lie, of course.
>What you want to pretend I was saying is your business, but,
>unless you can prove it (which you can't) you'd be better off not
>insetting on it. At least not in public.
>> If you weren't speaking of its implementation and were
>> speaking of it as a theory then you would not have said: "communism in its
>> pure form is not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it."
>And why not? Because it would make you look like the jackass
>that you are when you try to pretend that it's what you want it to have been,
>rather than what it was?
>> I take it that you are saying that communism was good before Stalin
>I know that's how you wanted to take it.
>You've been repeating yourself ad absurdum to that effect
You did say exactly:
"You are doubtless too stupid to realize, communism in its pure form is
not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it." Susan Cohen
January 19, 2001
http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717950842&fmt=text
>> and to support my claim I ask-- why do we never see Jews criticize the communism
>> which existed before Stalin took control?
>Because there was very little to criticize.
So you are now admitting communism was actually GOOD before Stalin and his
successors made it the evil it became to paraphrase your: "communism in
its pure form is not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it."?
>> You will never see Jewry
>> denounce communism other than what Stalin did after he came to power and
>> even then most Jews accepted him in stride and worked to support his
>> regime ala "BUSINESS AS USUAL".
>WRONG AGAIN, AS USUAL
You, yourself, just said above concerning communism before Stalin:
"there was very little to criticize" Looks to me like I have one Jew
approving of Pre-Stalin era communism. Care to think of all the kulaks
slaughtered by communists before the Stalin era?
>> >> http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717872510
>> >>
>> >> >> bpg wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Israeli settler is sentenced to community service for beating and
>> >> >> > kicking a 11 year old Palestinian child to death.
>> >> >> And when are ANY of the PLO thugs going to be sentenced
>> >> >> by their own authority for any of the worse crimes THEY commit?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This is merely illustrative the differnce between the Israeli government
>> >> >> and the thugs with which they are dealing.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Israeli crimes such as this horror are few & far between, and
>> >> >> readily punsihed as such by their government.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The PLO, on the other hand, not only commits such things
>> >> >> whenever they get the chance, but they actively condone
>> >> >> and *encourage* them.
>> >> How do most people react to those who "occupy" their land
>> >You are confusing Israel with America, and the PLO with the
>> >Native Americans.
>> >
>> >Not that the truth means anything to you, of course.
>> Nothing is so ever funny seeing your kind display their deep denial.
>Translation: Scotty has no rebuttal but blanket (& black) denial.
I've always proved my point with documentation-- rather it is you who does
as you've accused me of doing.
>> ROTFLMAO
>I guess that's what happens when you fall off the barstool.
Personal attack and smear is really all you have isn't it other than
flapping your mouth and giving your opinions as fact.
Doc Tavish
>Why not devote yourself
to
> achievable goals?Life is too short to spend time spinning your wheels.
>
> Joe Bruno
>
Joe is in a unique position to offer advice here, he has been bogged
down to the axles for as long as I can remember.
The same reason why your paid agent - <kmc...@nizkor.org.nospam - spams the
Italian and other lists with his zionist hate propaganda, lies and
distortions.
>
> bpg wrote:
>
> > Israeli settler is sentenced to community service for beating and
kicking a
> > 11 year old Palestinian child to death.
>
> And when are ANY of the PLO thugs going to be sentenced
> by their own authority for any of the worse crimes THEY commit?
Exactly my point! There is much blame to go around. Jews are victims as
well as perpetrators of terrible crimes. Why is it that you prefer to see
only the zionist side?
>
> This is merely illustrative the differnce between the Israeli government
> and the thugs with which they are dealing.
It illustrates that the nazi state of Israel is racist and bigoted and
considers the beating and kicking death of a Palestinian child by a Jewish
settler of little consequence. Palestinians too can be brutal but what this
Jewish settler did to that child has no parallel.
>
> Israeli crimes such as this horror are few & far between, and
> readily punsihed as such by their government.
Community service for beating and kicking a child to death is NOT
punishment.
>
> The PLO, on the other hand, not only commits such things
> whenever they get the chance, but they actively condone
> and *encourage* them.
Are you trying to justify the beating and kicking to death odf a child?
Have you no shame?
>
> > One may consider the cruel act of a Jew beating and kicking a small
child to
> > death the act of an individual but the refusal of the Israeli court to
> > punish such a monster reflects on the racist, bigoted nazi state of
Israel.
>
> Wrong, See above.
Community service for the crule murder of a child?
>
> > Put that into your calendar :-)>
>
> Yes, so you will be able to see every year that Israeli
> justice far outstrips PLO terrorism.
Israeli justice is nazi justice.
>
> >
> >
> > <
>
Thanks for admitting what I have always maintained about Jewish Bolsheviks.
>
Larry R <fut...@primus.ca> wrote in message
news:rFGb6.40$8i2.8...@news1.tor.primus.ca...
The same can be said of the Jews killed by Hitler.
That is why there is no difference between German Nazis, Jewish and other
Bolsheviks and Jewish Nazis. They all murder innocent people and try to
justify it.
> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:39:00 -0500, Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote:
> [...deletia...]
> >What a moron you are!
> >It's not "another" quote, air-head, it's the same one you keep lying
> >about!
>
> I keep lying about? You said it and I gave the URL so all may verify it!
>
> >> "You are doubtless too stupid to realize, communism in its pure form is
> >> not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it." Susan Cohen
> >> January 19, 2001
>
> >Yes, this is the *end* of *my* quote. And here -
>
> >> (Susan is saying communism was GOOD before Stalin!)
>
> >- is your lie.
>
> My lie? One can only conclude that you were declaring communism was pure
> before Stalin and his successors made it "evil".
No, Cockroach Boy.
One can only conclude that you attributed to Susan a statement she DID NOT MAKE.
That's a lie, wadbrain. Lies are your specialty, aren't they?
JGB
================================================================== =====
Jeffrey G. Brown jg_b...@my-deja.com
For centuries, philosophers and theologians have debated what it means
to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
To be human is to choose. - "The Outer Limits: Feasibility Study", 1997
Doc Tavish wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:39:00 -0500, Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote:
>
> >Doc Tavish wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 02:10:01 -0500, Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote:
>
> >> >Doc Tavish wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:54:40 -0500, Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> "I do not deny that Jews were involved in establishing the Communist
> >> >> regime... Jews are taught to uphold the downtrodden, and that's how
> >> >> communism came about." Susan Cohen 01/19/2001
> >> >> http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717872510
>
> >> >Thanks for *once* not adding your own lies to what I actually said.
>
> >> My lies?
>
> >Yes, the lie you posted
>
> I posted what you said and gave the URL to it.
What a lie. You ALSO ADDED YOUR OWN TWIST TO IT.
> >> Look at what you said! snicker snicker
> >>
> >> Here's another quote from you air-head:
>
> >What a moron you are!
> >It's not "another" quote, air-head, it's the same one you keep lying about!
>
> I keep lying about? You said it and I gave the URL so all may verify it!
AND YOU KEEP ADDING YOUR OWN TWIST TO IT
> >> "You are doubtless too stupid to realize, communism in its pure form is
> >> not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it." Susan Cohen
> >> January 19, 2001
>
> >Yes, this is the *end* of *my* quote. And here -
>
> >> (Susan is saying communism was GOOD before Stalin!)
>
> >- is your lie.
>
> My lie? One can only conclude that you were declaring communism was pure
> before Stalin
One can only do so if one is deliberately twisting what I said
so as to bolster his otherwise empty arguments.
> and his successors made it "evil". I conclude that you don't
> believe the slaughter of millions of kulaks by the Bolsheviks as being
> evil.
I conclude that you are poutting words in my mouth.
> >You keep pretending that my discussion of theoretical Communism
> >is the same as Communism as parcticed by Stalin.
> >And all because you're a brainless jackass.
>
> Ah the name call.
You mean like "airhead" and "flaky", such as YOU indluged in? Uh-huh.
> We weren't talking about theoretical communism.
You mean you wish we weren;t so you could pretend I
said what you wanted me to have said.
I was talking about what I wanted; you were trying to twist
it to bolster your otherwise empty arguments.
That much is plain to all who have commented on this.
> >> http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717872510
> >>
> >> Look who is calling whoi stupid.
>
> >I'm calling you stupid, because, among other things, you can't even spell.
>
> One typo.
That's the only one in this line.
And, as I pointed out at the time, I wouldn't normally even
mention it, if you weren't trying to set yourself up as superior.
> You should see Yale F. Edeiken's posts!
Why should I bother? He hasn't set himself up as part of the Master Race.
> >> You admit that communism was pure before Stalin
>
> >No, anal orifice. I say no such thing.
> >You just inserted that interpretation because you can
> >never win an argument on facts.
>
> I always show facts and URLs,
No, you insist your own opinion is fact & you post URLS
to your own posts as tho' that proves anything.
> what your own people write
And you add your own lies to whatever is said.
> and more
Ah - at least you admit it, in however sly a fashion.
> BUT all I ever see is YOUR opinion!
Odd how my opinion *is* the truth, huh?
> >> and you also said: "I do not deny that Jews were involved in
> >> establishing the Communist regime."
>
> >Right. Communism before Stalin, which wasn't the same.
>
> You mean the communism you referred to as "pure communism" before Stalin and his
> successors made it evil?
No, but you just keep trying to pretend this is what I said.
> >> Your are rather pathetic aren't you?
>
> >My what are patheitc? My enemies? Yes, they are.
>
> I call you stupid now, because, among other things, you can't even spell.
So now you're a hypocrite, complaining about my mentioning
your "one typo" as a spelling fault - and here you're doing it, yourself.
Now should we start on your lack of grammar skills?
Susan
--
The first rule of fart club is:
you don't talk about fart club.
Scotty "Liar" Bradbury wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:46:40 -0500, Susan Cohen
> <fla...@his.com> wrote:
>
> >Doc Tavish wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 02:12:40 -0500, Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Doc Tavish wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 02:58:02 GMT, "Neville Lindsay"
> >> >> <nev...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >"Susan Cohen" <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:3A6E35DF...@his.com...
> >> >> >> If there is no reason for this to be sent to the Italian
> >> >> >> group, please let me know, either thru a post or e-mail.
>
> >> BTW Susan why did you add <misc.legal> to the news groups this is being posted
> >> to? I didn't add it for sure!
>
> >Put down the bottle, Bradbury.
>
> Ah the old personal insults again.
You mean like "flaky" and "airhead"?
Oh, wait, those were yours, which you slung first.
> >It's been in the thread since the beginning.
>
> That may be so. I just noticed. I had a person from that news group
> treat me in a sporting manner and I didn't want him to think I dragged a
> bunch of liars into the group with me.
That projectionism of yours can be cured, now.
> >You really are desperate, aren't you?
>
> You're the one desperate.
Hardly. I'm not the one appending lies onto others statements.
> You've already made some very astounding
> confessions
Confessions??? Oh, you wish.
> in the past week and I invite all the lurkers to click the new
> upgraded link
Yes, I very much would like the lurkers to read *everything*,
as opposed to just the garbage you append to my posts.
> and see how you've said:
Ah,. here we go - the same old quotes that do not mean nearly
waht you want to pretend that they do.
> "I do not deny that Jews were involved in establishing the Communist
> regime... Jews are taught to uphold the downtrodden, and that's how
> communism came about." Susan Cohen 01/19/2001
> http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717950842&fmt=text
Which doesn't mean that the Jews commited the crimes you attribute to them - thanks for
not even trying topretend that I said that.
>
>
> "You are doubtless too stupid to realize, communism in its pure form is
> not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it." Susan Cohen
> January 19, 2001
This is the end of the quote
> (Susan is saying communism was GOOD before Stalin!)
And that was the lie you tacked onto it, because you are so
desperate to fill your otherwise empty arguments.
> http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717950842&fmt=text
>
> Let the lurkers click the link and let them read you in full context
Yes!! You know darned well you don't really want people to read
the whole post, and see the whole context - youonly want them to
believe your lies.
> and
> they will see all you do is run your mouth
with the truth
> and they will see that I
> present many URLs,
most of which to your own posts filled with your own lies.
> documents form the Library of Congress,
Oh, please! All the LoC is is a repository. There is absolutely
no cachet of truth bestowed on anything that is put there. They
have copies of fairy tales, Mein Kampf and all sorts of other
crakpot garbage, along with rspected works of scholars.
> Universities,
> and yes, what Jews themselves write. You're just a mouth Susan
You;re just desperate for people to believe this.
> and you
> think what you say is true because YOU say it.
Hardly.
What I say is true because it is, and provably so.
The fact that you've never been able to disprove what I say
proves that. And the fac tthat you must resort to lies to try to
disprove it also proves that.
Just keep going, Scotty - you;re your own worst enemy.
> I have never seen a post
> where you have ever shown any documentation to back up your opinion!
Maybe that'ds
>
>
> Here are classic examples of how you run your mouth:
>
> Here is your personal insult you made regarding the facts:
Actually, the header is YOUR insult and LIE.
> http://x58.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=670077353
> Subject: Re: Why Is It Jews Always Seem to Endorse Homosexuality? (Any
> Jews Wanting to Go on Public Record Denouncing Homo Lifestyle?)
> Date: 09/15/2000
> Author: Susan Cohen <fla...@hers.com>
>
> Scotty Bradbury wrote:
>
> > Christians aren't under the Old Covenant or Mosaic Law. They are under the
> > New Covenant. Either covenant condemns homosexuality
>
> No, it doesn't.
> Maybe yours does - I haven't read it. But you obviously
> haven't read the Torah. Which doesn't surprise me; it's
> just like your ilk to condemn things about which you don't
> really know.
>
> ~~End of DejaCom Archive~~
>
> All you can do is make personal attack
Too upset to type properly?
Desperate? I bet!
> and then imply I did not know what
> I was talking about ]
I didn't *imply* - I stated it outright, because it was true.
> and then guess what? I slam dunked you
Oh, only in your dreams
> and have you
> admitting that YOU have not read the Torah.
What a total load of manure!
I said that I didn't read whatever it was that you read -
which certainly wasn't the Torah, because the Torah doesn't
say what you said it does.
As I said then, which was & is the truth.
> See how YOUR mouth gets you
> into trouble
All I see is how YOUR mouth gets YOU into trouble!
You're positively hallucinating!
> and how YOUR opinions won't survive facts!?
What total crap!
You were wrong, it was proved then, & it'll be
proved now - only now you'll also have the added
humiliation of being proved doubly wrong!
> http://x58.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=707258810&fmt=text
> "Doc Tavish Slam Dunks Susan Cohen Again! aka Why Is It Jews Always Seem
> to Endorse Homosexuality?
See? Your personal insult in the header.
> --(Any Jews Wanting to Go on Public Record
> Denouncing Homo Lifestyle?) R 2"
> (EXCERPT)
>
> On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:47:05 -0400, "Martin Smith" <RUST...@prodigy.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Susan,
> >
> >Surely the O.T./ Torah condemns homosexuality - the oft cited passages in
> >Leviticus for example.
> >
> >Martin
>
> >Susan Cohen <fla...@hers.com> wrote in message
> >news:39C1EDD9...@hers.com...
> >>
> >>
> >> Scotty Bradbury wrote:
> >>
> >> > Christians aren't under the Old Covenant or Mosaic Law. They are under
> >> > the New Covenant. Either covenant condemns homosexuality
>
> >> No, it doesn't.
> >> Maybe yours does - I haven't read it.
>
> Key words-- "I haven't read it"
KEY WORDS: MAYBE YOURS DOES.
When do you think you could learn to read???
> >>But you obviously haven't read the Torah.
>
> I have (you just admitted you haven't)
What an idiot!! You're unbelievable!
Just how desperate are you??
> and it condemns homosexuality
No, it doesn't.
Nohing you posted proves it.
> and
> provides the death penalty for those engaging in it.
Not exactly, but at least you're geting closer.
> It says a nation can
> become unclean by allowing it to happen! Leviticus 18:27,28 "The people
> who lived in the land before you did all these disgusting perversions and
> defiled the land. But [you shall not cause] the land to vomit you out when
> you defile it, as it vomited out the nation that was there before you."
Nothing about ":being homosexual", just "doing unclean things."
Get a clue Scotty! Just one will do!
> Care to deny the following text exists clueless know it all?
Care to prove that it says what you wnat it to, lying imbecile?
> Xref: http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=622398842
>
> The Torah I have access to
Uh-huh.
> says:
>
> http://www.mnemotrix.com/texis/vtx/chumash
>
> Chumash References
> Acharey Mot, Leviticus Chapter 18
>
> 18 : 22 Do not lie with a male as you would with a woman, since this is a
> disgusting perversion.
An it doesn't say "Do not be homosexual."
it says "Do not do this thing."
Getting just one clue, Scotty, would save you endless humiliation.
> [Torah text deleted that does not apply to homosexuality in this post. To
> read what I deleted just click the link I gave above. Doc Tavish
> 01/24/2001)
>
> The same Torah also says:
> Chumash References
> Kedoshim, Leviticus Chapter 20
>
> [Torah text deleted that does not apply to homosexuality in this post. To
> read what I deleted just click the link I gave above. Doc Tavish
> 01/24/2001)
>
> 20 : 13 If a man has intercourse with another man in the same manner as
> with a woman, both of them have committed a disgusting perversion. They
> shall be put to death by stoning.
Note thst it does not say "Any man wanting to have sex with
another man" just those who have done one specific act.
Just ONE CLUE, Scotty! Get JUST ONE CLUE!
> Notes:
>
> 20 : 2 pelt him to death... After trial by a duly ordained Sanhedrin.
> Since there is no such ordination today, death penalties are not imposed.
>
> 20 : 9 he shall be stoned... (Sanhedrin 66a; Rashi; from 20:27). Expressed
> idiomatically by, "his blood is in him." This indicates that he shall be
> killed by a method that induces internal bleeding, and this is stoning.
> See Exodus 21:17.
>
> 20 : 11 If a man... The Torah now gives the penalties for the sexual
> offenses outlined in Leviticus 18:6-23.
>
> 20 : 12 utterly detestable perversion Tevel. See Leviticus 18:23.
>
> 20 : 12 stoned to death See Leviticus 20:9.
>
> 20 : 13 by stoning See Leviticus 20:9.
>
> ~~End of DejaCom Archival Excerpt~~
Yes - end of quotes which do not bolster your position, no
> In the example above all you did is run your mouth
Nope, & you know it.
> and you admitted that you haven't read the Torah
Yet another lie. I said that I had "I know mine doesn't [condemn being homosexual]" but
that "I hadn;t read" YOURS.
It was clear what I said, and even clearer that you are desperate
to be right where you are wrong - and especially desperate to
have me be wrong where I am right.
> yet you sought to contradict me without knowing
> the facts
Wrong
> -- which you always do.
Which you wish I did, but you have yet to prove it.
> Now let the lurker compare what I provided above directly from an online
> Torah to Susan's feeble reply in which again all she can do is run her
> mouth!
Amazing how you think that by repeating this lie will make it true.
"Truth by assertion" works only for morons, Scotty.
Must be why you use it.
I am sure that whoever reads the following - the bulk of the post
- will note that it is just a re-hash of the same crap you are trying
to peddle above - and will still show that you have no clue, and
refuse to acknowledge that fact.
> http://x72.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=671167672
> Subject: Re: Scotty Bradbury Slam Dunks HIMSELF - AGAIN, As Usual!
> Date: 09/18/2000
> Author: Susan Cohen <fla...@hers.com>
>
> Doc Tavish wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 19:09:25 GMT, "Richard G. Phillips" <rgp...@home.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Susan Cohen wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Though my computer ate the post, it was easy to see in just the
> > >> short view I had of it that poor old brainless Scotty has thrown
> > >> together a collection of inaccurate quotes
>
> > Let the reader decide! Why did you delete contiguous text which was in
> > context from the Torah?
>
> I didn't delete a damned thing, moron.
> There was absolutely *nothing* from you in the
> it's close enough. But it only refers ot one act & one act only.
IOW, I am right and you are wwring and you can't stand it.
> > Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form
> > so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is
> > consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day
> > and night." Jewish Talmud
>
> Total lie.
>
> Susan
>
> ~~End of Exact DejaCom Archive~~
>
> See how all Susan can do is run her mouth and she will still deny
> homosexuals being stoned or pelted to death with stones for their acts.
See how Scotty can't prove that he's right?
> >> >> Here are some more things Susan Cohen wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> "I do not deny that Jews were involved in establishing the Communist
> >> >> regime... Jews are taught to uphold the downtrodden, and that's how
> >> >> communism came about."
>
> >> >In Russia, of course. And what the other Russians did to it once it
> >> >was established is their own fault.
>
> >> You mean other Russian Jews?
> >
> >Of course not, but you knew that already.
>
> You're the one who said:
>
> "I do not deny that Jews were involved in establishing the
> Communist regime." Susan Cohen January 19, 2001
And, as is par for the course, what I said does
not boslter what you said.
> http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717950842&fmt=text
>
> >> >> Susan Cohen 01/19/2001
> >> >> http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717872510
> >> >>
> >> >> "You are doubtless too stupid to realize, communism in its pure form is
> >> >> not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it." Susan Cohen
> >> >> January 19, 2001
The end of the quote ----
> (Susan is saying communism was GOOD before Stalin!)
---and the lie Scotty puts in.
And for what, the 8th time??
> >> >And, for the third (4th?) time, your own quoted document
> >> >proves you wrong. Either that, or perhaps you would like
> >> >to somehow prove that I was talking about Communism
> >> >as anything other than a theory?
>
> >> You weren't referring to communism in theory-- you were speaking of its
> >> implementation.
>
> >You lie, of course.
> >What you want to pretend I was saying is your business, but,
> >unless you can prove it (which you can't) you'd be better off not
> >insetting on it. At least not in public.
>
> >> If you weren't speaking of its implementation and were
> >> speaking of it as a theory then you would not have said: "communism in its
> >> pure form is not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it."
>
> >And why not? Because it would make you look like the jackass
> >that you are when you try to pretend that it's what you want it to have been,
> >rather than what it was?
>
> >> I take it that you are saying that communism was good before Stalin
>
> >I know that's how you wanted to take it.
> >You've been repeating yourself ad absurdum to that effect
>
> You did say exactly:
>
> "You are doubtless too stupid to realize, communism in its pure form is
> not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it." Susan Cohen
> January 19, 2001
> http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717950842&fmt=text
Yes, I did say this, but where did I say that what the Bolsheviks
had made was Communism in it's purest form?
You'd do well to understand at last that not everyone is as dumb
as you.
> >> and to support my claim I ask-- why do we never see Jews criticize the communism
> >> which existed before Stalin took control?
>
> >Because there was very little to criticize.
>
> So you are now admitting communism was actually GOOD before Stalin and his
> successors made it the evil it became
Boy, you really are desperate, aren;t you?
Since when is "very little to criticize" the same as "GOOD"?
I guess when one's standards are as low as yours must be, it's
hard to differentiate but, believe me, there's a vast difference.
> to paraphrase your: "communism in
> its pure form is not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it."?
>
> >> You will never see Jewry
> >> denounce communism other than what Stalin did after he came to power and
> >> even then most Jews accepted him in stride and worked to support his
> >> regime ala "BUSINESS AS USUAL".
>
> >WRONG AGAIN, AS USUAL
>
> You, yourself, just said above concerning communism before Stalin:
> "there was very little to criticize"
Which is not the same as "GOOD".
> Looks to me like I have one Jew
> approving of Pre-Stalin era communism.
Of course it looks that way to you - you have to cobble up
whatever you can in order to fill tyour otherwise empty position.
> Care to think of all the kulaks
> slaughtered by communists before the Stalin era?
Care to stop pretending that it was solely Jews who were reponsible for it?
> >> >> http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717872510
> >> >>
> >> >> >> bpg wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Israeli settler is sentenced to community service for beating and
> >> >> >> > kicking a 11 year old Palestinian child to death.
>
> >> >> >> And when are ANY of the PLO thugs going to be sentenced
> >> >> >> by their own authority for any of the worse crimes THEY commit?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> This is merely illustrative the differnce between the Israeli government
> >> >> >> and the thugs with which they are dealing.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Israeli crimes such as this horror are few & far between, and
> >> >> >> readily punsihed as such by their government.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The PLO, on the other hand, not only commits such things
> >> >> >> whenever they get the chance, but they actively condone
> >> >> >> and *encourage* them.
>
> >> >> How do most people react to those who "occupy" their land
>
> >> >You are confusing Israel with America, and the PLO with the
> >> >Native Americans.
> >> >
> >> >Not that the truth means anything to you, of course.
>
> >> Nothing is so ever funny seeing your kind display their deep denial.
>
> >Translation: Scotty has no rebuttal but blanket (& black) denial.
>
> I've always proved my point with documentation
Documentation which never bolsters what you are saying, so
it could hardly be worth mentioning (except to embarass yourself)
> -- rather it is you who does
> as you've accused me of doing.
Or rather you wish.
> >> ROTFLMAO
>
> >I guess that's what happens when you fall off the barstool.
>
> Personal attack and smear is really all you have
You mean the way you call me "bitch", "flaky", "airhead..."?
No, it's not the same because that's not all I have - it's all
you have, when you cut through the bluster & bull you post.
> isn't it other than
> flapping your mouth and giving your opinions as fact.
Do stop confusing me with you.
joebru...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > I hate to disillusion you, Susan, but I must say this. You will never
> get an Anti-Semitic bigot to even tell the truth occasionally. Asking
> them to be consistent and fair is way beyond their capabilities. I
> suggest you save your energy and your breath.Why not devote yourself to
> achievable goals?Life is too short to spend time spinning your wheels.
But I think it's important to keep pointing out to the world
at large just how they lie, and thay they do soconstantly.
But your advice is very good - certainly your observations
are correct.
Susan
>Doc Tavish wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 02:12:40 -0500, Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Doc Tavish wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 02:58:02 GMT, "Neville Lindsay"
>> >> <nev...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >"Susan Cohen" <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
>> >> >news:3A6E35DF...@his.com...
>> >> >> If there is no reason for this to be sent to the Italian
>> >> >> group, please let me know, either thru a post or e-mail.
>> BTW Susan why did you add <misc.legal> to the news groups this is being posted
>> to? I didn't add it for sure!
>Put down the bottle, Bradbury.
Ah the old personal insults again.
>It's been in the thread since the beginning.
That may be so. I just noticed. I had a person from that news group
treat me in a sporting manner and I didn't want him to think I dragged a
bunch of liars into the group with me.
>You really are desperate, aren't you?
You're the one desperate. You've already made some very astounding
confessions in the past week and I invite all the lurkers to click the new
upgraded link and see how you've said:
"I do not deny that Jews were involved in establishing the Communist
regime... Jews are taught to uphold the downtrodden, and that's how
communism came about." Susan Cohen 01/19/2001
http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717950842&fmt=text
"You are doubtless too stupid to realize, communism in its pure form is
not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it." Susan Cohen
January 19, 2001 (Susan is saying communism was GOOD before Stalin!)
http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717950842&fmt=text
Let the lurkers click the link and let them read you in full context and
they will see all you do is run your mouth and they will see that I
present many URLs, documents form the Library of Congress, Universities,
and yes, what Jews themselves write. You're just a mouth Susan and you
think what you say is true because YOU say it. I have never seen a post
where you have ever shown any documentation to back up your opinion!
Here are classic examples of how you run your mouth:
Here is your personal insult you made regarding the facts:
http://x58.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=670077353
Subject: Re: Why Is It Jews Always Seem to Endorse Homosexuality? (Any
Jews Wanting to Go on Public Record Denouncing Homo Lifestyle?)
Date: 09/15/2000
Author: Susan Cohen <fla...@hers.com>
Scotty Bradbury wrote:
> Christians aren't under the Old Covenant or Mosaic Law. They are under the
> New Covenant. Either covenant condemns homosexuality
No, it doesn't.
Maybe yours does - I haven't read it. But you obviously
haven't read the Torah. Which doesn;t surprise me; it's
just like your ilk to condemn things about which you don't
really know.
~~End of DejaCom Archive~~
All you can do is make personal attack and then imply I did not know what
I was talking about and then guess what? I slam dunked you and have you
admitting that YOU have not read the Torah. See how YOUR mouth gets you
into trouble and how YOUR opinions won't survive facts!?
http://x58.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=707258810&fmt=text
"Doc Tavish Slam Dunks Susan Cohen Again! aka Why Is It Jews Always Seem
to Endorse Homosexuality? --(Any Jews Wanting to Go on Public Record
Denouncing Homo Lifestyle?) R 2"
(EXCERPT)
On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:47:05 -0400, "Martin Smith" <RUST...@prodigy.net>
wrote:
>Susan,
>
>Surely the O.T./ Torah condemns homosexuality - the oft cited passages in
>Leviticus for example.
>
>Martin
>Susan Cohen <fla...@hers.com> wrote in message
>news:39C1EDD9...@hers.com...
>>
>>
>> Scotty Bradbury wrote:
>>
>> > Christians aren't under the Old Covenant or Mosaic Law. They are under
>> > the New Covenant. Either covenant condemns homosexuality
>> No, it doesn't.
>> Maybe yours does - I haven't read it.
Key words-- "I haven't read it"
>>But you obviously haven't read the Torah.
I have (you just admitted you haven't) and it condemns homosexuality and
provides the death penalty for those engaging in it. It says a nation can
become unclean by allowing it to happen! Leviticus 18:27,28 "The people
who lived in the land before you did all these disgusting perversions and
defiled the land. But [you shall not cause] the land to vomit you out when
you defile it, as it vomited out the nation that was there before you."
Care to deny the following text exists clueless know it all?
Xref: http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=622398842
The Torah I have access to says:
http://www.mnemotrix.com/texis/vtx/chumash
Chumash References
Acharey Mot, Leviticus Chapter 18
18 : 22 Do not lie with a male as you would with a woman, since this is a
disgusting perversion.
[Torah text deleted that does not apply to homosexuality in this post. To
read what I deleted just click the link I gave above. Doc Tavish
01/24/2001)
The same Torah also says:
Chumash References
Kedoshim, Leviticus Chapter 20
[Torah text deleted that does not apply to homosexuality in this post. To
read what I deleted just click the link I gave above. Doc Tavish
01/24/2001)
20 : 13 If a man has intercourse with another man in the same manner as
with a woman, both of them have committed a disgusting perversion. They
shall be put to death by stoning.
Notes:
20 : 2 pelt him to death... After trial by a duly ordained Sanhedrin.
Since there is no such ordination today, death penalties are not imposed.
20 : 9 he shall be stoned... (Sanhedrin 66a; Rashi; from 20:27). Expressed
idiomatically by, "his blood is in him." This indicates that he shall be
killed by a method that induces internal bleeding, and this is stoning.
See Exodus 21:17.
20 : 11 If a man... The Torah now gives the penalties for the sexual
offenses outlined in Leviticus 18:6-23.
20 : 12 utterly detestable perversion Tevel. See Leviticus 18:23.
20 : 12 stoned to death See Leviticus 20:9.
20 : 13 by stoning See Leviticus 20:9.
~~End of DejaCom Archival Excerpt~~
In the example above all you did is run your mouth and you admitted that
you haven't read the Torah yet you sought to contradict me without knowing
the facts-- which you always do.
Now let the lurker compare what I provided above directly from an online
Torah to Susan's feeble reply in which again all she can do is run her
mouth!
http://x72.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=671167672
Subject: Re: Scotty Bradbury Slam Dunks HIMSELF - AGAIN, As Usual!
Date: 09/18/2000
Author: Susan Cohen <fla...@hers.com>
Doc Tavish wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 19:09:25 GMT, "Richard G. Phillips" <rgp...@home.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Susan Cohen wrote:
> >>
> >> Though my computer ate the post, it was easy to see in just the
> >> short view I had of it that poor old brainless Scotty has thrown
> >> together a collection of inaccurate quotes
> Let the reader decide! Why did you delete contiguous text which was in
> context from the Torah?
I didn't delete a damned thing, moron.
There was absolutely *noyhing* from you in the
it's close neough. But it only refers ot one act & one act only.
> Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form
> so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is
> consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day
> and night." Jewish Talmud
Total lie.
Susan
~~End of Exact DejaCom Archive~~
See how all Susan can do is run her mouth and she will still deny
homosexuals being stoned or pelted to death with stones for their acts.
>> >> Here are some more things Susan Cohen wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "I do not deny that Jews were involved in establishing the Communist
>> >> regime... Jews are taught to uphold the downtrodden, and that's how
>> >> communism came about."
>> >In Russia, of course. And what the other Russians did to it once it
>> >was established is their own fault.
>> You mean other Russian Jews?
>
>Of course not, but you knew that already.
You're the one who said:
"I do not deny that Jews were involved in establishing the
Communist regime." Susan Cohen January 19, 2001
http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717950842&fmt=text
>> >> Susan Cohen 01/19/2001
>> >> http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717872510
>> >>
>> >> "You are doubtless too stupid to realize, communism in its pure form is
>> >> not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it." Susan Cohen
>> >> January 19, 2001 (Susan is saying communism was GOOD before Stalin!)
>> >And, for the third (4th?) time, your own quoted document
>> >proves you wrong. Either that, or perhaps you would like
>> >to somehow prove that I was talking about Communism
>> >as anything other than a theory?
>> You weren't referring to communism in theory-- you were speaking of its
>> implementation.
>You lie, of course.
>What you want to pretend I was saying is your business, but,
>unless you can prove it (which you can't) you'd be better off not
>insetting on it. At least not in public.
>> If you weren't speaking of its implementation and were
>> speaking of it as a theory then you would not have said: "communism in its
>> pure form is not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it."
>And why not? Because it would make you look like the jackass
>that you are when you try to pretend that it's what you want it to have been,
>rather than what it was?
>> I take it that you are saying that communism was good before Stalin
>I know that's how you wanted to take it.
>You've been repeating yourself ad absurdum to that effect
You did say exactly:
"You are doubtless too stupid to realize, communism in its pure form is
not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it." Susan Cohen
January 19, 2001
http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717950842&fmt=text
>> and to support my claim I ask-- why do we never see Jews criticize the communism
>> which existed before Stalin took control?
>Because there was very little to criticize.
So you are now admitting communism was actually GOOD before Stalin and his
successors made it the evil it became to paraphrase your: "communism in
its pure form is not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it."?
>> You will never see Jewry
>> denounce communism other than what Stalin did after he came to power and
>> even then most Jews accepted him in stride and worked to support his
>> regime ala "BUSINESS AS USUAL".
>WRONG AGAIN, AS USUAL
You, yourself, just said above concerning communism before Stalin:
"there was very little to criticize" Looks to me like I have one Jew
approving of Pre-Stalin era communism. Care to think of all the kulaks
slaughtered by communists before the Stalin era?
>> >> http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717872510
>> >>
>> >> >> bpg wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Israeli settler is sentenced to community service for beating and
>> >> >> > kicking a 11 year old Palestinian child to death.
>> >> >> And when are ANY of the PLO thugs going to be sentenced
>> >> >> by their own authority for any of the worse crimes THEY commit?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This is merely illustrative the differnce between the Israeli government
>> >> >> and the thugs with which they are dealing.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Israeli crimes such as this horror are few & far between, and
>> >> >> readily punsihed as such by their government.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The PLO, on the other hand, not only commits such things
>> >> >> whenever they get the chance, but they actively condone
>> >> >> and *encourage* them.
>> >> How do most people react to those who "occupy" their land
>> >You are confusing Israel with America, and the PLO with the
>> >Native Americans.
>> >
>> >Not that the truth means anything to you, of course.
>> Nothing is so ever funny seeing your kind display their deep denial.
>Translation: Scotty has no rebuttal but blanket (& black) denial.
I've always proved my point with documentation-- rather it is you who does
as you've accused me of doing.
>> ROTFLMAO
>I guess that's what happens when you fall off the barstool.
Personal attack and smear is really all you have isn't it other than
flapping your mouth and giving your opinions as fact.
Doc Tavish
>Doc Tavish wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 02:10:01 -0500, Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote:
>> >Doc Tavish wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:54:40 -0500, Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "I do not deny that Jews were involved in establishing the Communist
>> >> regime... Jews are taught to uphold the downtrodden, and that's how
>> >> communism came about." Susan Cohen 01/19/2001
>> >> http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717872510
>> >Thanks for *once* not adding your own lies to what I actually said.
>> My lies?
>Yes, the lie you posted
I posted what you said and gave the URL to it.
>> Look at what you said! snicker snicker
>>
>> Here's another quote from you air-head:
>What a moron you are!
>It's not "another" quote, air-head, it's the same one you keep lying about!
I keep lying about? You said it and I gave the URL so all may verify it!
>> "You are doubtless too stupid to realize, communism in its pure form is
>> not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it." Susan Cohen
>> January 19, 2001
>Yes, this is the *end* of *my* quote. And here -
>> (Susan is saying communism was GOOD before Stalin!)
>- is your lie.
My lie? One can only conclude that you were declaring communism was pure
before Stalin and his successors made it "evil". I conclude that you don't
believe the slaughter of millions of kulaks by the Bolsheviks as being
evil.
>You keep pretending that my discussion of theoretical Communism
>is the same as Communism as parcticed by Stalin.
>And all because you're a brainless jackass.
Ah the name call. We weren't talking about theoretical communism.
>> http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717872510
>>
>> Look who is calling whoi stupid.
>I'm calling you stupid, because, among other things, you can't even spell.
One typo. You should see Yale F. Edeiken's posts!
>> You admit that communism was pure before Stalin
>No, anal orifice. I say no such thing.
>You just inserted that interpretation because you can
>never win an argument on facts.
I always show facts and URLs, what your own people write and more BUT all
I ever see is YOUR opinion!
>> and you also said: "I do not deny that Jews were involved in
>> establishing the Communist regime."
>Right. Communism before Stalin, which wasn't the same.
You mean the communism you referred to as "pure communism" before Stalin
and his successors made it evil?
>> Your are rather pathetic aren't you?
>My what are patheitc? My enemies? Yes, they are.
I call you stupid now, because, among other things, you can't even spell.
>> Doc Tavish
---
"I do not deny that Jews were involved in establishing the
Communist regime." Susan Cohen January 19, 2001
http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717950842&fmt=text
>Doc Tavish wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 02:10:01 -0500, Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote:
>> >Doc Tavish wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:54:40 -0500, Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "I do not deny that Jews were involved in establishing the Communist
>> >> regime... Jews are taught to uphold the downtrodden, and that's how
>> >> communism came about." Susan Cohen 01/19/2001
>> >> http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717872510
>> >Thanks for *once* not adding your own lies to what I actually said.
>> My lies?
>Yes, the lie you posted
I posted no lie. I posted what YOU said! I guess you are saying in effect
that you're the liar if I post what you said and then you call me a liar.
>> Look at what you said! snicker snicker
>> Here's another quote from you air-head:
>What a moron you are!
>It's not "another" quote, air-head, it's the same one you keep lying about!
How is it I am lying? Did you or did you not say the words below?
>> "You are doubtless too stupid to realize, communism in its pure form is
>> not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it." Susan Cohen
>> January 19, 2001
Here was my sig line:
---
"You are doubtless too stupid to realize, communism in its pure form is
not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it." Susan Cohen
January 19, 2001 (Susan is saying communism was GOOD before Stalin!)
http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717950842&fmt=text
>Yes, this is the *end* of *my* quote. And here -
>> (Susan is saying communism was GOOD before Stalin!)
>- is your lie.
Did I attribute: "(Susan is saying communism was GOOD before Stalin!)"
to you? NO! Those words were my comment on what you said.
>You keep pretending that my discussion of theoretical Communism
>is the same as Communism as parcticed by Stalin.
>And all because you're a brainless jackass.
>
>> http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717872510
>>
>> Look who is calling whoi stupid.
>I'm calling you stupid, because, among other things, you can't even spell.
Well you spelled practiced as "parcticed" so it looks like the pot is
calling the kettle black.
>> You admit that communism was pure before Stalin
>No, anal orifice. I say no such thing.
>You just inserted that interpretation because you can
>never win an argument on facts.
>> and you also said: "I do not deny that Jews were involved in
>> establishing the Communist regime."
>Right. Communism before Stalin, which wasn't the same.
So in effect you are saying communism before Stalin was GOOD then!
FROM ABNOTHER POST:
<START>
>> >> Susan Cohen 01/19/2001
>> >> http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717872510
>> >>
>> >> "You are doubtless too stupid to realize, communism in its pure form is
>> >> not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it." Susan Cohen
>> >> January 19, 2001 (Susan is saying communism was GOOD before Stalin!)
>> >And, for the third (4th?) time, your own quoted document
>> >proves you wrong. Either that, or perhaps you would like
>> >to somehow prove that I was talking about Communism
>> >as anything other than a theory?
>> You weren't referring to communism in theory-- you were speaking of its
>> implementation.
>You lie, of course.
>What you want to pretend I was saying is your business, but,
>unless you can prove it (which you can't) you'd be better off not
>insetting on it. At least not in public.
>> If you weren't speaking of its implementation and were
>> speaking of it as a theory then you would not have said: "communism in its
>> pure form is not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it."
>And why not? Because it would make you look like the jackass
>that you are when you try to pretend that it's what you want it to have been,
>rather than what it was?
>> I take it that you are saying that communism was good before Stalin
>I know that's how you wanted to take it.
>You've been repeating yourself ad absurdum to that effect
You did say exactly:
"You are doubtless too stupid to realize, communism in its pure form is
not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it." Susan Cohen
January 19, 2001
http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717950842&fmt=text
>> and to support my claim I ask-- why do we never see Jews criticize the communism
>> which existed before Stalin took control?
>Because there was very little to criticize.
(Susan did say the above in reply to my question as documented in this
link: <http://x60.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=719797306> See other Jews praising
communism in a new addition below.)
So you are now admitting communism was actually GOOD before Stalin and his
successors made it the evil it became to paraphrase your: "communism in
its pure form is not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it."?
<STOP>
Looks to me like you also said communism was GOOD in the post cited above.
You did after all say concerning Pre-Stalin communism: " there was very
little to criticize." Is this not saying the communism the Bolsheviks
established with the blood of millions of kulaks being slaughtered was/is
GOOD in your eyes?
>> Your are rather pathetic aren't you?
>My what are patheitc? My enemies? Yes, they are.
Ooops another misspelled word on your part Susan!
Doc Tavish
Here is a new addition and it documents Jews praising communism and
elevating it above Christianity and again in their very own words!
http://x65.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=673810730&fmt=text
"Apologia For Communism (Jews Prefer Communism to Christianity)"
On 25 Sep 2000 01:41:51 GMT, Coot...@yahoo.com (Cooter) wrote:
>In article <catamont-017996...@news.concentric.net>,
>cata...@concentric.net "Sara Salzman" says...
[...]
>>I _do_ get defensive when people talk about "Jews," as if we were some
>>huge monolithic single-minded thing.
>>
>>Sara
>Jews are a huge monolithic single-minded thing when it comes to being
>anti-Christs and almost each and every Jew supports or has supported
>socialism or communism too. Touche'
>--CooterBob--
Bingo! You hit the nail right on the head! Look at this documented
activity of anti-Christs and their preference for communism and all in
their very own words!
The following came from using the search engine at:
http://www.mnemotrix.com/chabad/
using the key words: CHRISTIAN IDOLATRY
The above "search" link is part of the Chabad Lubavitch Web Site:
http://www.chabad.org/calendar/
(Links active April 12, 2000)
Using the key words CHRISTIAN IDOLATRY we get an apologia for communism
and attack on Christianity among other things:
part.04
And yet, they failed! Of the hundreds of millions `devotees' to all these
faiths and causes, only a tiny fraction are truly faithful to them. The
overwhelming majority are self-deluding hypocrites: they take from... (5K)
<http://www.chabad.org/gopher/ideal/skeptic/part.04.htm>
Excerpt: " Believer: Secondly, they did succeed---to the extent that they
do concur with the essence of man and of creation. Communism, despite its
flaws and corruptions, has had a profound effect on our sense of social
justice. Christianity, despite the horrendous atrocities it perpetrated
and justified, played a major role in introducing, to a largely pagan
world, the concepts (though much adulterated) of a one, omnipotent and
non- corporeal G-d and of a messianic end-goal to existence."
CB"N - The Covenant of Everlasting Life
The idea of everlasting life is rather appealing to most folks. A somewhat
primal yearning seemingly tugs at us to somehow reclaim that certain
something which Adam and Chava lost when they sunk their teeth into...
(14K) http://www.fastlane.net/~bneinoah/life.html
Excerpt: " And now a personal observation, if you please: If (indeed, IF:
hypothetical speculation with such an example is, at best, an exercise of
futility - the socio-historical situation speaks for itself in the
archives of Jewish history) the righteous Jews of the Second Temple period
had taught the Seven Laws of Noah to the non-Jews, there would never have
risen a religion such as Christianity. With the knowledge that (through
the observance of the Sheva Mitzvot B nei Noach) everlasting life could be
attained as promised by Hashem to Noach, the resulting fabrication that
everlasting life could come only through belief and worship of a human
being would never have happened. Instead, as we have noted, the teaching
concerning the Covenant of the Rainbow - The Covenant of Everlasting Life,
had been forced into hiding by the vicious persecution of the Jews, and
the new covenant of Christianity was but a pagan attempt to replace the
eternal Covenant made by Hashem to Noach. Thankfully, the truth and light
of Torah concerning the Covenant of the Rainbow now emerges and
illuminates the Path of Life for B nei Noach and beckons
majestically to a needy world."
IN THEIR OWN WORDS PEOPLE! Did you see Chabad Lubavitch's archive excerpt
saying precisely: "Communism, despite its flaws and corruptions, has had a
profound effect on our sense of social justice. Christianity, despite the
horrendous atrocities it perpetrated and justified, played a major role in
introducing, to a largely pagan world, the concepts (though much
adulterated) of a one, omnipotent and non- corporeal G-d and of a
messianic end-goal to existence."
THEIR WORDS PEOPLE! VERIFY WHAT I POST-- I INSIST!
Chabad Lubavitch said: "Communism, despite its flaws and corruptions, has
had a profound effect on our sense of social justice."
Susan Cohen as documented has said: "..communism in its pure form is
not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it... there was very
little to criticize."
Jews embrace communism and they take it with them every where they go!
ADL even announced that with communism's downfall anti-Semitic incidents
have increased! What does this tell you all? Don't believe me?
LOOK!
http://www.adl.org/presrele/ASInt_13/2966_13.html
(Link active January 12, 2001)
<FAIR USE INTENDED>
Press Release Anti-Semitism-International
ADL OPENS VIENNA OFFICE TO COMBAT GROWING ANTI-SEMITISM IN CENTRAL/EASTERN
EUROPE
New York, NY, May 7, 1997...The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) has
established a new European Regional Office in Vienna, Austria, as part of
its world-wide commitment to fighting anti-Semitism, bigotry and racism.
The office opens as Jewish institutions reemerge across Central and
Eastern Europe in the face of increased anti-Semitism, inter-ethnic
friction and overall xenophobia. The office is sponsored by The Ronald S.
Lauder Foundation.
"The collapse of communism has brought rapid, often radical change
throughout Central and Eastern Europe and poses a growing threat to the
security of the reemerging Jewish communities in the region," said Abraham
H. Foxman, ADL National Director. "We hope to counteract this threat and
increase the sense of security and empowerment of Jewish communities
throughout the area...."
[...]
~~END~~
Jews always forwarded the notion they suffered under communism but if one
reads carefully between the lines you can't help but perceive the
communists were the Jews' guardian angels. Why would the collapse of
communism bring about increased anti-semitism? Hmmmmh!
See these related links which link Jewry to communism:
http://www.hoffman-info.com/communist.html
Also see: <http://www.hoffman-info.com/khazars.html>
Mirrors to the above:
http://www.russians.org/communist.html
http://www.apopulistreview.com/special_links/jewish_communists.htm
http://x72.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=694172104&fmt=text
"Propaganda Arm for Stalinist Soviet Union - The Jewish Antifascist
Committee (From U.S. Gov't & UCLA Archives - The Soviet Exhibit)"
Political Parties of Israel (Israel is a Communist Sympathizer Nation!)
(Notice How Most are Leftist/Socialist/Communist)
All links active:
October 13, 2000
http://www.politicalresources.net/israel.htm
From the above link:
Likud The National Liberal Party
http://www.likud.org.il/
Avoda The Israel Labour Party (official website)
http://www.avoda.org.il/
Chadash Communist Party of Israel
http://www.gezernet.co.il/chadash/
Hadash Democratic Front for Peace and Equality
http://www.hadash.org.il/
MAPAM The Israeli Democratic Socialist Party
http://www.mapam.org.il/online.html
Meimad The Movement for Religious Zionist Renewal
http://www.meimad.org.il/
Shinui Liberal Party
http://www.shinui.org.il/
Tsomet A Movement for renewed Zionism
http://www.tsomet.org.il/
Yerukim Green Party
http://www.yerukim.org/
Ale Yarok Green Leaf Party
http://www.ale-yarok.org.il/
Maavak Sozialisti Socialist Struggle
http://www.maavak.org.il/
(Does not the above prove the Jewish emigres took their communism and
leftism with them?)
Here is how communism is implemented in Israel today:
http://www.shamash.org/tanach/tanach/commentary/oxford-judaism/capitalism-communism
(Link active January 13, 2001)
This section is from the document '/Jewish Lists/oxford-judaism/930810'.
To: Jewis...@chochma.demon.co.uk, OxfordS...@chochma.demon.co.uk,
An...@chochma.demon.co.uk
Subject: Capitalism, Communism, and Technology in Jewish Thought
Dear Oxford-Judaism Subscribers,
Behold... the latest essay. This one is an unedited one about the
medium you are using to access these thoughts... computers, as well
as communism and capitalism. All comments are of course welcome....
[...]
A Jewish Approach to Communism
Still, Abarbanel's comments on the nature of Capitalism as evil must
make us think again about the typical Jewish reaction to Communism.
Since Marxism has often taken the form of an extremely G-dless
totalitarian tool, it has been easy to dismiss such an ideology as
something that Judaism could never embrace.
However, G-dlessness is not a necessary characteristic of Communism.
Communism can even be described as a moral alternative to the
material excesses of Capitalism. To cite a contemporary Jewish
example: there are many kibbutzim in Israel who live by the standards
of economic collectivism, while religious kibbutzim uphold the banner
of Jewish observance. On the other hand, many kibbutzim are not only
non-religious but even violently anti-religious, such as the
Shomer-Haztair movement. The fact that a community in Israel adopts
the kibbutz way of life does not force a person in either direction,
and the adoption of Communism is not necessarily linked to atheism
either...
... According to Capitalism, what led the Soviet Union to its final
collapse more than any other reason was the complete failure of its
economic system. ...The people could see that the ideals
of Marx had not been achieved, and were dissatisfied. So the Soviet
Union stagnated, whereas western materialism flourished- at least for
those empowered economically....
Lubavitch as a Socialist Collectivist System
The standard capitalist approach is vastly incomplete and even
un-Jewish because it assumes, as its basic premise, that people can
only be motivated by reason of material gain.
More on kibbutzim and communism:
http://compare.upol.cz/british/coursewr/pauls/ChangFam/week1.html
(EXCERPT) (Link active January 13, 2001)
"...Kibbutzim are self-contained communities based on communistic ideals
brought to Palestine in the 1920s by European Jews. Throughout history
there have been many communal social movements, and many of them have
tried to replace the family as we know it." (Read between the lines--
Kibbutzes destroy the family unit! Doc Tavish comment)
http://monster.educ.kent.edu/docwhiz/rdng7.html
(EXCERPT) (Link active January 13, 2001)
SPED 23200: READING #7 The First Men by Howard Fast
"... author Howard Fast posits an ideal environment
for raising children which is much more socialistic or communistic
than traditional American. There is a group family rather than the
nuclear family; there is no religion; and there is a version of free
love rather than the traditional middle-class mores for sexual
behavior. Is there any evidence in the real world to suggest that
these methods are successful? If the Israeli kibbutz life is a good
test, then the evidence suggests that the methods work well in
some ways, but not so well in others."
Electronic Conversion by Robert A. Zuckerman
Created: 8/31/97
<END>
Here are links to posts in which I have documented other Jewish web sites,
Universities, Library of Congress etc. showing Jews and THEIR communism:
http://x72.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=694172104&fmt=text
"Propaganda Arm for Stalinist Soviet Union - The Jewish Antifascist
Committee (From U.S. Gov't & UCLA Archives - The Soviet Exhibit)"
http://x65.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=673810730&fmt=text
"Apologia For Communism (Jews Prefer Communism to Christianity) aka Re:
Why are Jews so defensive" MUST READ!!
http://x56.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=675224876&fmt=text
"MAPAM - Another Example of the Variety of (some) Jewish Socialism that
Exists!"
http://x69.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=675224874&fmt=text
"From sunypress.edu - More on Israeli Socialism"
http://x69.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=675224875&fmt=text
"Tali (Tadmor)-Shimony (Studies in Israeli Socialism)"
http://x69.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=673477025&fmt=text
"Israeli socialism undermining the Western tradition - (Their words NOT
mine!)...."
http://x69.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=673477026&fmt=text
"Israel's Socialist Roots Reviewed in Book Available from Amazon.Com (Jews
Spread Socialism Where Ever They Go!)...."
http://x69.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=662628469&fmt=text
"Israel Apartheid?.."
http://x69.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=662983092&fmt=text
"Stanford graduate student attempts to find how socialism, Yiddish, and
American Jewish history fit together"
http://x35.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=545358104&fmt=text
"The Founding Myths of Israel: Nationalism, Socialism, and the Making of
the Jewish State"
http://x69.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=670049584&fmt=text
"Nizkor's Dawidowicz Paradox - Jews Were Planning to "Socialize" Poland"
http://x69.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=670053532&fmt=text
"Jews must help labor, build world socialism. (Their Very Own Words!)"
http://x69.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=673477001&fmt=text
"Soviets, Jews, Trotsky and The Rest"
http://x69.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=675224887&fmt=text
"Yiddishist Socialist - Used to Propagate Socialism! Web Site Links for
Further Study."
http://x69.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=669079565&fmt=text
"Jewish Links to Communism as told by a Jew"
http://x69.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=648156531&fmt=text
"Bolshevik Death Count & Interesting DejaNews Archives on Communism"
http://x69.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=648166074&fmt=text
"The Russian Revolution: Still inspiring after 80 years (The CPUSA Telling
It Like It Is In Their Own Words!)"
http://x64.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=673476989&fmt=text
"ADL TO RUSSIANS: "END FOCUS ON JEWISH CONSPIRACY IN INVESTIGATION OF CZAR
NICHOLAS II'S DEATH""
The above links represent many hours of study and research. What I post is
factual and in most cases what Jews themselves teach. I invite one and all
to carefully read all of the material I provided and then make up their
own minds.
..>>>>NOTICE: From DejaCom concerning their archives:
http://www.deja.com/home_ps.shtml
"Notice: Archive searches for postings prior to May 15, 1999, are
temporarily unavailable."<<<<..
Need I say more?
Doc Tavish
---
"You are doubtless too stupid to realize, communism in its pure form is
not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it." Susan Cohen
January 19, 2001 (Susan is saying communism was GOOD before Stalin!)
http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717950842&fmt=text
Israel was created by the British, it's just a place where people place the
faith of misguided 2,000 or 700 year old farts.
Imbeciles read the bible and think it's the word of god! Jesus was a man,
and he won't be back because he was murdered. Who killed him doesn't
matter, unless you worship Phelps and Falwell and think that that shit
matters.
People are beyond that, but those who run with the Bibbble say "They aint'
right!" Most of those people are fucking morons.
If, after 8,000 years, we haven't learned how to act, and imbeciles have to
rely on a book of fairey tales, we are lost.
If you are an American, please note that you are just less than 300 million
with a lower attitude that exists in a huge minority amongst a group of 6
billion.
I live in Canada, and it seems that the only ones who dispute the fact that
we have built a better society are the Yanks who don't know shit, and seem
to believe that the Supper Bowl is being watched by "everybody in the
world". Yah Hoo!
Most Americans are OK, but I meet a lot who are just simply pathetic.
>Excuse me, Susan, but has anyone else read the piece about the settler who
>"killed" an Arab child/ Since I've been following this NG I have concluded
>that Jew-haters are a naturally-born liars. I would like to have a complete
>article published for everyone to read. Also needs to be referenced, because
>Jew-haters are known for changing texts of legitimate pieces.
>"Susan Cohen" <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
>news:3A6F23DD...@his.com...
It's your Jews who tell lies BUT here is the story and its link:
http://x57.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=719519326
Israeli settler is sentenced to community service for beating and kicking
a 11 year old Palestinian child to death.
One may consider the cruel act of a Jew beating and kicking a small child
to death the act of an individual but the refusal of the Israeli court to
punish such a monster reflects on the racist, bigoted nazi state of
Israel.
~~End of DejaCom Archive~~
<FAIR USE INTENDED -- NON-PROFIT USE>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20010121/aponline112028_000.htm
Israeli Gets Fine in Beating Death
By Jack Katzenell
Associated Press Writer
Sunday, Jan. 21, 2001; 11:20 a.m. EST
JERUSALEM 末 An Israeli court on Sunday sentenced a Jewish settler to
community service and a fine for the beating and kicking death of an
11-year-old Palestinian boy. The boy's father expressed outrage and
accused the court of issuing a "license to kill."
The Jerusalem District Court sentenced Nahum Korman, 36, to six months of
community service and a $17,500 fine for the killing of Hilmi Shusha in
the West Bank in October 1996.
Judge Ruth Or said she was not sending Korman to jail because the Supreme
Court had convicted him only of "manslaughter by negligence."
Palestinians described Korman's sentence as an example of a justice system
that favors Israelis over Palestinians.
Korman was acquitted by Or at his original trial, but the Supreme Court
later overturned the verdict. While Korman does not face any additional
jail time, he spent nine months in jail after his arrest.
The sentence was agreed upon by the prosecution and the defense, although
Korman still insists that he did not touch the boy.
At the time of the Hilmi's death, Korman was a security officer at a
Jewish settlement near Bethlehem and drove into a nearby Palestinian
village looking for Palestinians who had been throwing rocks at passing
Israeli cars.
The prosecution contended that Korman beat and kicked the child, knocked
him down, put his foot on the boy's neck and struck him with a pistol. The
boy suffered a head injury and a fractured spinal cord and died the next
day in a hospital.
The boy's father, Said Shusha, told Israel radio that the judge "is giving
people a license to kill." He also condemned the prosecution for agreeing
to such a light sentence.
Korman initially said the boy fainted, but later changed his testimony and
said the boy tripped while running away and struck his neck on a rock or a
piece of scrap metal.
Or rejected the findings of the chief state pathologist's findings that
the injury could have been caused only by a blow, not by the boy's falling
or fainting, as Korman claimed.
The Supreme Court accepted the pathologist's findings but ruled that
Korman's responsibility was limited since he tried to revive the boy and
therefore had not intended to kill him.
Israeli lawmaker Naomi Chazan, of the left-wing Meretz party, denounced
the sentence, saying, "It shows how little respect is shown for
Palestinian life."
Meanwhile, at a hall in Israel's Supreme Court, family members of the 13
Israeli Arabs killed in rioting last October submitted evidence to a
government inquiry, charging the police with using excessive force against
the protesters.
The Arab Israelis said they had little faith in the Israeli justice
system.
"Their murders were committed without justification," said Mohamed Zidan,
chairman of the High Follow-Up Committee for the Arab Citizens in Israel.
The Arab Israelis have only rarely taken part in protests, but took to the
streets last October to express their own grievances and to show
solidarity with the uprising of their Palestinian brethren.
Following demands by Arab Israeli leaders, Barak appointed a commission of
inquiry into the police actions, but no report has yet been issued.
<END>
Satisfied now? Here is how Palestinians are treated in general by Israel's
Jews. Notice I did NOT say Israeli BUT I said Jews! Israeli is a
misleading euphemism because if Palestinians were really Israelis they
would have the same rights as Jews! Get my point?
http://www.state.gov/www/global/human_rights/1997_hrp_report/occterr.html
U.S. Department of State -- The Occupied Territories
Report on Human Rights Practices for 1997
Released by the Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor,
January 30, 1998.
THE OCCUPIED TERRITORIES
[...]
Invoking the 1952 law, Israeli officials routinely tell Palestinian
residents of Jerusalem who possess other nationalities that they have to
renounce their other nationalities in order to retain the right to live in
Jerusalem. Over 175 Palestinian-Americans have been told that they must
renounce their U.S. citizenship in order to retain their Jerusalem
residency." (Funny that America allows Jews to have dual citizenship! Doc
Tavish comment)
Israeli authorities also place restrictions on family reunification. Most
Palestinians who were abroad before or during the 1967 War, or who have
lost their residence permits for other reasons, are not permitted to
reside permanently with their families in Jerusalem or the occupied
territories. Foreign-born spouses and children of Palestinian residents
also experience difficulty in obtaining permission to reside with their
family members. Only 1,500 family reunification permits have been issued
since the Interim Agreement was signed in 1995.
Israeli security singles out young (often unmarried) Palestinian males for
more stringent restrictions than other Palestinians, citing them as more
likely to be security risks. They are generally prohibited from working in
Israel.
<END>
No brutality but we see Palestinians are not true citizens.
>Excuse me, Susan, but has anyone else read the piece about the settler who
>"killed" an Arab child/ Since I've been following this NG I have concluded
>that Jew-haters are a naturally-born liars. I would like to have a complete
>article published for everyone to read. Also needs to be referenced, because
>Jew-haters are known for changing texts of legitimate pieces.
>"Susan Cohen" <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
>news:3A6F23DD...@his.com...
It's your Jews who tell lies BUT here is the story and its link:
~~End of DejaCom Archive~~
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20010121/aponline112028_000.htm
<END>
Jews. Notice I did NOT say Israelis BUT I said Jews! Israeli is a
misleading euphemism because if Palestinians were really Israelis they
would have the same rights as Jews! Get my point?
http://www.state.gov/www/global/human_rights/1997_hrp_report/occterr.html
U.S. Department of State -- The Occupied Territories
Report on Human Rights Practices for 1997
Released by the Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor,
January 30, 1998.
THE OCCUPIED TERRITORIES
[...]
Invoking the 1952 law, Israeli officials routinely tell Palestinian
residents of Jerusalem who possess other nationalities that they have to
renounce their other nationalities in order to retain the right to live in
Jerusalem. Over 175 Palestinian-Americans have been told that they must
renounce their U.S. citizenship in order to retain their Jerusalem
residency." (Funny that Israel allows Jews to have dual citizenship!
Remember all the overseas votes coming from Israel with Jews voting in our
American Elections (for Al Gore)? Why does Israel allow Jews to have
dual-citizenship and not the Palestinians? The answer-- Palestinians
aren't considered Israelis which of course are Jews! Doc Tavish comment)
>> My lies?
>- is your lie.
So in effect you are saying communism before Stalin was GOOD then!?
FROM ANOTHER POST:
<START>
>> >> Susan Cohen 01/19/2001
>> >> http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717872510
>> >>
>> >> "You are doubtless too stupid to realize, communism in its pure form is
>> >> not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it." Susan Cohen
>> >> January 19, 2001 (Susan is saying communism was GOOD before Stalin!)
>> >And, for the third (4th?) time, your own quoted document
>> >proves you wrong. Either that, or perhaps you would like
>> >to somehow prove that I was talking about Communism
>> >as anything other than a theory?
>> You weren't referring to communism in theory-- you were speaking of its
>> implementation.
>You lie, of course.
>What you want to pretend I was saying is your business, but,
>unless you can prove it (which you can't) you'd be better off not
>insetting on it. At least not in public.
What is "insetting"?
You did say exactly:
<STOP>
Doc Tavish
[...]
>--CooterBob--
LOOK!
<FAIR USE INTENDED>
[...]
~~END~~
Dear Oxford-Judaism Subscribers,
[...]
only be motivated by reason of material gain...
<END>
>David Shaw wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:54:40 -0500, Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >Yes, so you will be able to see every year that Israeli
>> >justice far outstrips PLO terrorism.
>> You're certainly better than the PLO at shooting women and kids . . .
>Wow - that's even futher from the truth than anyting Scotty
>spews! What a load of manure! That's something the PLO
>*specializes* in!
Dumb bitch brings my name up in a condescending way. May name is not
"Scotty" you bitch and don't forget it.
>Oh no, wait a minute - that's *bombing* women & children.
>Israeli soldiers only shoot people with weapons in their hands.
You mean Jewish soldiers don't you? Palestinians aren't generally viewed
as Israelis you know. How many times have you ever seen Israeli
interpreted as Palestinian? It is always Jews being armed against unarmed
Palestinians! That is fact!
>A rock is a weapon - as is a molotov cocktail, a rifle and a
>machine gun. Which is what they're using - all the while putting
>their children in front of them so people like you can lie about
>what's really going on over there.
And history has always shown that those who are occupied always resort to
such tactics against their occupiers. The French and others did it to
Nazis. Do you expect the Palestinians to be any different toward their
occupiers who won't even give them basic rights?
Doc Tavish
>Susan
so you think the sentence handed down to the 'settler' was fair ?
Or are you unable to criticise Israel
>
>
>tou...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>> You will never get people like 'cohen' to criticise Israel.
>
>Or, rather, you won't get anyone with a brain to believe
>the lies told about her by people like you.
>And, since I'm the one who actually uses a name, there's
>no need for you to put it in quotes.
>You're the coward here, not me.
---
>I ask-- why do we never see Jews criticize the communism
>which existed before Stalin took control?
"Because there was very little to criticize."
Susan Cohen January 2001
<http://x60.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=719797306>
>
>
>aaa wrote:
>
>> >>Israeli settler is sentenced to community service for beating and kicking a
>> >>11 year old Palestinian child to death.
>> >
>> >The good news is that the anti-semitic bastard will never again attack a Jew
>> >with a dangerous weapon.
>>
>> With an attitude like that, I'd be pro-anti-semitic as well. The real
>> good news is rational people can see that many who claim to be Jews are
>> adopting a KKK/Nazi mentality.
>And how many times have you pointed fingers at
>the terrorists who deliberately target entire busloads
>of Jewish children?
>How about the 16 year old who was just lured and killed
>by the PLO?
Doc,
I hear the Jews don't like you. Why is that? Does that give you a sense of
importance?
U R Smart Doc! Your crossposting ways make more friends for you and few
enemies.
If Revisionism isn't tantamount to "White Pride", why do you cross post to
groups who are essentially populated by Nazis?
Why do you claim that people attack you personally when you do the same
day-by-day?
Why are you up so early, and post from 3 am to 11:00 pm at night?
Do you have a life?
Why do you back off when challenged by people in TPG who are Right Wing, Gun
Bearing, NRA, 2-a Jews?
Oh! I get it, you're a chicken shit!
It seems not.
*Plonk*
In article <parv6tg5r7p9uses0...@4ax.com>,
--
___________
Adam Littman / ^ \
AL...@cornell.edu /\ / \ /\
/__\__/___\__/__\
/ \( ) ( )/ \
\ /\ o /\ /
\ / \( )/ \ /
"Four minutes twenty-two seconds, \/____\_/____\/
Baldric, you owe me a groat" \ \ /
--Blackadder \ / \ /
---------
Susan
Alegro wrote:
> Excuse me, Susan, but has anyone else read the piece about the settler who
> "killed" an Arab child
Funny you should mention that - I was beginning to wonder
about that, myself.
Now, I have no doubt it's possible.
It's possible that there is a terrible Jew who would do such a
horrible thing for no reason.
But history and sad experience tells me that it's more probable
that it was some child goaded by peer pressure (& pressure
from above) to become a "holy martyr", who attacked a
settler and got killed out of self defense.
Either way, it's horrible, but is a very different story.
Susan
Adam Littman wrote:
> I've seen about a half dozen posts from this guy consisting of nothing but a
> single out-of-context, and non sequitur quote each, does this jackass have
> anything to say on his own behalf?
>
> It seems not.
Glad someone else noticed this, too.
I think that makes a clean sweep of all
who've commented on his posts.
> *Plonk*
He'll just change his name again, when
he wants another whipping.
Susan
Susan
Susan
Bradbury takes an original quotation, endless reprints it, and endlessly
insists that it "proves" something we can all immediately see it does not
prove.
Michael, on the other hand, deletes all reference to the original
quotation, and then falsely claims the person actually said something they
did not say.
Bradbury's idiocy is there for all the world to see; Michael's actions are
of a different kind.
aaa wrote:
> >> >>Israeli settler is sentenced to community service for beating and kicking a
> >> >>11 year old Palestinian child to death.
> >> >
> >> >The good news is that the anti-semitic bastard will never again attack a Jew
> >> >with a dangerous weapon.
> >>
> >> With an attitude like that, I'd be pro-anti-semitic as well. The real
> >> good news is rational people can see that many who claim to be Jews are
> >> adopting a KKK/Nazi mentality.
> >
> >And how many times have you pointed fingers at
> >the terrorists who deliberately target entire busloads
> >of Jewish children?
> >How about the 16 year old who was just lured and killed
> >by the PLO?
>
> So you feel murdering Palestinian kids is a justifiable revenge?
So, in other words, no, you don't care.
> Is a Jewish life worth more than a Palestinian life?
Ask the PLO. They're the ones who end up
getting their kids killed more than any Jews kill them
(if, indeed, this is the case. We still have seen no proof)
3. Who besides professional historians wants to spend time
discussing things that happened in a foreign country over 70 years ago?
Not everyone is as fascinated by irrelevant trivia as you are,
Tavish.We have lots of other things to worry about-working for a
living, shopping,etc.
Joe Bruno
> "Because there was very little to criticize."
> Susan Cohen January 2001
> <http://x60.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=719797306>
>
>
ralph <124...@gernsback.net> wrote in message
news:3A6FDF...@gernsback.net...
> Typical Nazi antisemitic tactic to use the Bolshevik smear against
> anyone who condemns the libels and slander of the antiSemitic neoNazis.
> bpg wrote:
> >
> > Typical Jewish Bolshevik tactic to use the Nazi smear against anyone who
> > condemns the crimes of nazi state of Israel.
> >
> > Larry R <fut...@primus.ca> wrote in message
> > news:rFGb6.40$8i2.8...@news1.tor.primus.ca...
> > > Susan your wasting you time with the likes of "Doc the Nazi Tavish",
he is
> > a
> > > died in the wool Jew hater and Jew baiter. He does this because he
knows
> > > that his kind can't compete. He realizes that he and his kind will
ever be
> > > relegated to the cellar, and to there it is that he wishes to drag
other
> > > morons, so he can have some company in his loneliness. Kill file him,
he
> > > isn't worth a line of anyone's time.
> > > He will long grace a front lawn, turning ever whiter.
> > > LARRY R.
> > > "Susan Cohen" <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3A6F2143...@his.com...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Doc Tavish wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 02:10:01 -0500, Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Doc Tavish wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:54:40 -0500, Susan Cohen
<fla...@his.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> "I do not deny that Jews were involved in establishing the
> > Communist
> > > > > >> regime... Jews are taught to uphold the downtrodden, and that's
how
> > > > > >> communism came about." Susan Cohen 01/19/2001
> > > > > >> http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717872510
> > > > >
> > > > > >Thanks for *once* not adding your own lies to what I actually
said.
> > > > >
> > > > > My lies?
> > > >
> > > > Yes, the lie you posted
> > > >
> > > > > Look at what you said! snicker snicker
> > > > >
> > > > > Here's another quote from you air-head:
> > > >
> > > > What a moron you are!
> > > > It's not "another" quote, air-head, it's the same one you keep lying
> > > about!
> > > >
> > > > > "You are doubtless too stupid to realize, communism in its pure
form
> > is
> > > > > not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it." Susan Cohen
> > > > > January 19, 2001
> > > >
> > > > Yes, this is the *end* of *my* quote. And here -
> > > >
> > > > > (Susan is saying communism was GOOD before Stalin!)
> > > >
> > > > - is your lie.
> > > > You keep pretending that my discussion of theoretical Communism
> > > > is the same as Communism as parcticed by Stalin.
> > > > And all because you're a brainless jackass.
> > > >
> > > > > http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=717872510
> > > > >
> > > > > Look who is calling whoi stupid.
> > > >
> > > > I'm calling you stupid, because, among other things, you can't even
> > spell.
> > > >
> > > > > You admit that communism was pure before Stalin
> > > >
> > > > No, anal orifice. I say no such thing.
> > > > You just inserted that interpretation because you can
> > > > never win an argument on facts.
> > > >
> > > > > and you also said: "I do not deny that Jews were involved in
> > > > > establishing the Communist regime."
> > > >
> > > > Right. Communism before Stalin, which wasn't the same.
> > > >
> > > > > Your are rather pathetic aren't you?
> > > >
> > > > My what are patheitc? My enemies? Yes, they are.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Doc Tavish
> > > > >
> > > > > ---
> > > > > "The fact that a community in Israel adopts the kibbutz way of
life
> > does
> > > > > not force a person in either direction, and the adoption of
Communism
> > > > > is not necessarily linked to atheism either..."
> > > > > From: /Jewish Lists/oxford-judaism/930810 (January 16, 2001)
> > > > >
> > >
> >
http://www.shamash.org/tanach/tanach/commentary/oxford-judaism/capitalism-co
> > > mmunism
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
>
> --
> The first rule of fart club is:
> you don't talk about fart club.
>Obviously you have no intention of posting a credible reply.
Did the boy have a high powered rock?
Titus
"Who is this Schroedinger and why is he so cruel to his cat"
Susan
I repeat my question.
do you think the sentence handed down to the settler was fair?
The gulags were in full bloom all over
the USSR by the end of 1920. Read
Aleksandre Solzhenitsyn's Gulag
Archaepelago (about 2000 pages though).
He explains how millions of people were
kidnapped at midnight just after
the Revolution, never to be seen again.
It peaked in the early 1920's (forgot exact
date).
To attribute all the crimes to Stalin is
simplistic and not correct. Lenin was
just as bad, though I forgot how many.
Also, to see Jewish involvement in the
Russian revolution, go:
http://www.hoffman-info.com/communist.html
anon.....
hero wrote:
> Some people are too ignorant about
> history, blaming all the communist
> crimes on Stalin.
Heck, if that were the extent of his ignorance, I would be
a lot more tolerant of his crap!
Susan
>
>
> The gulags were in full bloom all over
> the USSR by the end of 1920. Read
> Aleksandre Solzhenitsyn's Gulag
> Archaepelago (about 2000 pages though).
>
> He explains how millions of people were
> kidnapped at midnight just after
> the Revolution, never to be seen again.
> It peaked in the early 1920's (forgot exact
> date).
>
> To attribute all the crimes to Stalin is
> simplistic and not correct. Lenin was
> just as bad, though I forgot how many.
>
> Also, to see Jewish involvement in the
> Russian revolution, go:
>
> http://www.hoffman-info.com/communist.html
Hoffman. Uh-huh.
> anon.....
Yup - more anonymous cowards.
Hey Susan, I wasn't able to read your post. For some reason, it seems your
answer was posted as an attachment (I deliberately use a newsserver that
strips all attachments). Just thought I'd let you know, in case you sent it
as an attachment, as I know a lot of people use my newsserver.
Andy
Andy wrote:
Wow, I have no idea what happened.
(I have no idea how to do that - can it be done by accident?)
Sorry for any inconvenience!
Susan
I'm assuming this went as an attachment too. Sorry Susan, couldn't read your
reply =\
Andy
Same with this one, you answer is a text file attached to the message.
Cunt! You posted that as an attachment!
Andy
>Israel was created by the British, it's just a place where people
>place the faith of misguided 2,000 or 700 year old farts.
No doubt the British used their time machine to plant such antiquities
as the Mesha stone.
>Imbeciles read the bible and think it's the word of god! Jesus was
>a man, and he won't be back because he was murdered.
Nu? I don't see any Christian news groups in the Newsgroups header, so
their scriptures aren't relevant to this thread. There is no such
person in our scriptures, so whether he ever existed, whether he died,
etc., are all red herrings.
>People are beyond that, but those who run with the Bibbble say "They
>aint' right!" Most of those people are fucking morons.
Yeah, including those reckless archaeologists who persist in
discovering the sites of allegorical cities.
>If, after 8,000 years,
8,000 years? What does that refer to? The archeological evidence
indicates that Homo Sapiens has been around a lot longer than that.
We've been "learning how to act" a lot longer than we've had
agriculture, cities or even speech.
>I live in Canada, and it seems that the only ones who dispute the
>fact that we have built a better society are the Yanks who don't
>know shit, and seem to believe that the Supper Bowl is being watched
>by "everybody in the world".
I know a few Aussies who might dispute that. I also know some
Canadians who would disagree. We had our Civil War a century and a
half ago. Yours seems to be on the horizon.
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>You will never get people like 'cohen' to criticise Israel.
You will never get people like Susan Cohen to criticize Israel for
crimes that don't exist. Such respect you show her. She should take
you seriously as anything more than a plo tuchis lekker?
Oh, since you like things quoted and in lower case instead of unquoted
and upper case, I'll use your sdtyule to introduce you to my filters.
'*plonk*'
HTH. FOAD. HAND.
>With an attitude like that, I'd be pro-anti-semitic as well. The
>real good news is rational people can see that many who claim to be
>Jews are adopting a KKK/Nazi mentality.
He wasn't chasing the child for being an Arab, he was chasing him for
throwing a rock through his windshield. If you can't see the
difference then it is you who belongs in a white sheet and hood.
> 1.The Russian revolution took place in October 1917. Stalin took
>control in 1923, when Lenin died.
There were several. The Stalinists liked to pretend that theirs was
the first.
Andy wrote:
Then it's got to be your serverm because where I'm seeing it, it's fine.
Michael Perry wrote:
> Pardon my jumping in here, but it comes through just fine with Netscape and does
> not appear to be an attachment. Out of curiosity, what news reader are you
> using ?
It must indeed be his server, because everything else is showing up fine.
He saw someone else's as an atachment, and I didn't.
Susan
"Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" wrote:
> In
> <44AF3230CA41565B.91C6020A...@lp.airnews.net>,
> on 01/24/2001
> at 10:36 AM, n...@sp.am (aaa) said:
>
> >With an attitude like that, I'd be pro-anti-semitic as well. The
> >real good news is rational people can see that many who claim to be
> >Jews are adopting a KKK/Nazi mentality.
>
> He wasn't chasing the child for being an Arab, he was chasing him for
> throwing a rock through his windshield.
And the medical report showed no hands-on violence done
to the boy - but rather that he slipped and broke his neck.
But you'll notice the Jew got sentenced just for chasing him.
When would this happen in reverse in the PLA?
Susan
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1129000/112982
9.stm
Susan gets her news from Goebbels :-)>
Some places are just cursed by history. We (in the USA) should just
stay out of it altogether.
> > Excuse me, Susan, but has anyone else read the piece about the settler who
> > "killed" an Arab child
>
> Funny you should mention that - I was beginning to wonder
> about that, myself.
> Now, I have no doubt it's possible.
> It's possible that there is a terrible Jew who would do such a
> horrible thing for no reason.
> But history and sad experience tells me that it's more probable
> that it was some child goaded by peer pressure (& pressure
> from above) to become a "holy martyr", who attacked a
> settler and got killed out of self defense.
> Either way, it's horrible, but is a very different story.
>
> Susan
> > > > What does the Bible say
> > > > about Jews' claim to Palestine today?
> > >
> > > Who cares? That's not the point here at all.
Who cares about what the Bible says about anything? It's not my holy
book.
trout
>Excuse me, Susan, but has anyone else read the piece about the settler who
>"killed" an Arab child/ Since I've been following this NG I have concluded
>that Jew-haters are a naturally-born liars. I would like to have a complete
>article published for everyone to read. Also needs to be referenced, because
>Jew-haters are known for changing texts of legitimate pieces.
>"Susan Cohen" <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
>news:3A6F23DD...@his.com...
It's your Jews who tell lies BUT here is the story and its link:
http://x57.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=719519326
Israeli settler is sentenced to community service for beating and kicking
a 11 year old Palestinian child to death.
One may consider the cruel act of a Jew beating and kicking a small child
to death the act of an individual but the refusal of the Israeli court to
punish such a monster reflects on the racist, bigoted nazi state of
Israel.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20010121/aponline112028_000.htm
Israeli Gets Fine in Beating Death
By Jack Katzenell
Associated Press Writer
Sunday, Jan. 21, 2001; 11:20 a.m. EST
JERUSALEM 末 An Israeli court on Sunday sentenced a Jewish settler to
community service and a fine for the beating and kicking death of an
11-year-old Palestinian boy. The boy's father expressed outrage and
accused the court of issuing a "license to kill."
The Jerusalem District Court sentenced Nahum Korman, 36, to six months of
community service and a $17,500 fine for the killing of Hilmi Shusha in
the West Bank in October 1996.
Judge Ruth Or said she was not sending Korman to jail because the Supreme
Court had convicted him only of "manslaughter by negligence."
Palestinians described Korman's sentence as an example of a justice system
that favors Israelis over Palestinians.
Korman was acquitted by Or at his original trial, but the Supreme Court
later overturned the verdict. While Korman does not face any additional
jail time, he spent nine months in jail after his arrest.
The sentence was agreed upon by the prosecution and the defense, although
Korman still insists that he did not touch the boy.
At the time of the Hilmi's death, Korman was a security officer at a
Jewish settlement near Bethlehem and drove into a nearby Palestinian
village looking for Palestinians who had been throwing rocks at passing
Israeli cars.
The prosecution contended that Korman beat and kicked the child, knocked
him down, put his foot on the boy's neck and struck him with a pistol. The
boy suffered a head injury and a fractured spinal cord and died the next
day in a hospital.
The boy's father, Said Shusha, told Israel radio that the judge "is giving
people a license to kill." He also condemned the prosecution for agreeing
to such a light sentence.
Korman initially said the boy fainted, but later changed his testimony and
said the boy tripped while running away and struck his neck on a rock or a
piece of scrap metal.
Or rejected the findings of the chief state pathologist's findings that
the injury could have been caused only by a blow, not by the boy's falling
or fainting, as Korman claimed.
The Supreme Court accepted the pathologist's findings but ruled that
Korman's responsibility was limited since he tried to revive the boy and
therefore had not intended to kill him.
Israeli lawmaker Naomi Chazan, of the left-wing Meretz party, denounced
the sentence, saying, "It shows how little respect is shown for
Palestinian life."
Meanwhile, at a hall in Israel's Supreme Court, family members of the 13
Israeli Arabs killed in rioting last October submitted evidence to a
government inquiry, charging the police with using excessive force against
the protesters.
The Arab Israelis said they had little faith in the Israeli justice
system.
"Their murders were committed without justification," said Mohamed Zidan,
chairman of the High Follow-Up Committee for the Arab Citizens in Israel.
The Arab Israelis have only rarely taken part in protests, but took to the
streets last October to express their own grievances and to show
solidarity with the uprising of their Palestinian brethren.
Following demands by Arab Israeli leaders, Barak appointed a commission of
inquiry into the police actions, but no report has yet been issued.
<END>
Satisfied now? Here is how Palestinians are treated in general by Israel's
Jews. Notice I did NOT say Israelis BUT I said Jews! Israeli is a
misleading euphemism because if Palestinians were really Israelis they
would have the same rights as Jews! Get my point?
http://www.state.gov/www/global/human_rights/1997_hrp_report/occterr.html
U.S. Department of State -- The Occupied Territories
Report on Human Rights Practices for 1997
Released by the Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor,
January 30, 1998.
THE OCCUPIED TERRITORIES
[...]
Invoking the 1952 law, Israeli officials routinely tell Palestinian
residents of Jerusalem who possess other nationalities that they have to
renounce their other nationalities in order to retain the right to live in
Jerusalem. Over 175 Palestinian-Americans have been told that they must
renounce their U.S. citizenship in order to retain their Jerusalem
residency." (Funny that Israel allows Jews to have dual citizenship!
Remember all the overseas votes coming from Israel with Jews voting in our
American Elections (for Al Gore)? Why does Israel allow Jews to have
dual-citizenship and not the Palestinians? The answer-- Palestinians
aren't considered Israelis which of course are Jews! Doc Tavish comment)
Israeli authorities also place restrictions on family reunification. Most
Palestinians who were abroad before or during the 1967 War, or who have
lost their residence permits for other reasons, are not permitted to
reside permanently with their families in Jerusalem or the occupied
territories. Foreign-born spouses and children of Palestinian residents
also experience difficulty in obtaining permission to reside with their
family members. Only 1,500 family reunification permits have been issued
since the Interim Agreement was signed in 1995.
Israeli security singles out young (often unmarried) Palestinian males for
more stringent restrictions than other Palestinians, citing them as more
likely to be security risks. They are generally prohibited from working in
Israel.
<END>
No brutality but we see Palestinians are not true citizens.
Then again, perhaps Michael will inform us how Tavish's views on current
Israeli policy somehow prove that the anti-Roma Holocaust never really
occurred.
>JERUSALEM –– An Israeli court on Sunday sentenced a Jewish settler to
On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:53:35 GMT, Doc Tavish
<doc_tavi...@my-deja.com>
<gadn8t0jbo0besbv9...@4ax.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 01:29:25 -0500, "Alegro" <dub...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>Excuse me, Susan, but has anyone else read the piece about the settler who
>>"killed" an Arab child/ Since I've been following this NG I have concluded
>>that Jew-haters are a naturally-born liars. I would like to have a complete
>>article published for everyone to read. Also needs to be referenced, because
>>Jew-haters are known for changing texts of legitimate pieces.
>>"Susan Cohen" <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
>>news:3A6F23DD...@his.com...
>
>It's your Jews who tell lies BUT here is the story and its link:
>
>http://x57.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=719519326
>Israeli settler is sentenced to community service for beating and kicking
>a 11 year old Palestinian child to death.
>
>One may consider the cruel act of a Jew beating and kicking a small child
>to death the act of an individual but the refusal of the Israeli court to
>punish such a monster reflects on the racist, bigoted nazi state of
>Israel.
>
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>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20010121/aponline112028_000.htm
>
>Israeli Gets Fine in Beating Death
>By Jack Katzenell
>Associated Press Writer
>Sunday, Jan. 21, 2001; 11:20 a.m. EST
>
>JERUSALEM –– An Israeli court on Sunday sentenced a Jewish settler to
The issue is not if the German Nazis murdered Jews. They murdered a lot of
people and some of those were Jews. Why is there no lamenting over the
millions of Christians, many of those were Polish, who were also murdered by
the Nazis? It is because the Zionist propaganda is designed to portray Jews
as always the victims as everyone else as perpetrators. That is a big lie
and no amount of Zionist hate propaganda can make us forget the crimes of
Jewish Bolsheviks against the people of the former Soviet Union and Red Army
occupied Europe. No amount of Zionist hate propaganda can make us ignore
the brutal treatment of Palestinians by Nazi Israel and the heartless murder
of Palestinian children.
One standard anti-Semitic technique is to publish an anti-Semitic rant and
immediately protest that you're being "smeared" as an anti-Semite. Then
have friends deny the anti-Semitic nature of the rant and claim, falsely,
that is was only a "question" about World War II.
bpg's touching concern for the "millions of Poles" killed by the Nazis is
particularly nasty coming from someone in the Denier crowd who essentially
claims that "millions" of Poles weren't killed.
And, despite bpg's anti-Semitic rants about "Zionist propaganda,"
anti-fascists deal with *all* the victims of Nazi aggression.
--
The first rule of fart club is:
you don't talk about fart club.
>The issue is not if the German Nazis murdered Jews. They murdered a lot of
>people and some of those were Jews. Why is there no lamenting over the
>millions of Christians, many of those were Polish, who were also murdered
by
>the Nazis? It is because the Zionist propaganda is designed to portray
Jews
>as always the victims as everyone else as perpetrators. That is a big lie
>and no amount of Zionist hate propaganda can make us forget the crimes of
>Jewish Bolsheviks against the people of the former Soviet Union and Red
Army
>occupied Europe. No amount of Zionist hate propaganda can make us ignore
>the brutal treatment of Palestinians by Nazi Israel and the heartless
murder
>of Palestinian children.
And no amount of "But they did it too" can alter the fact that around six
million Jews were taken by the Holocaust.
--
Susie
>
>
>
>--
>Susie
>>
The Establishment says SIX, but historians differ. Some (including
Yehudah Bauer and others ) say 5,400,000, others 4 million and some.
And others go to 7 million and yet others 1-2 million........
But it's generally accepted that those who say "1-2 million" are
crank cases, and no major study has come up with a figure less than
5.1 million (and that was an intentionally conservative study too).
Could you name the scholar who said "4 million and some," for example?
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>Could you name the scholar who said "4 million and some," for example?
Well, I guess the differences can all be ascribed to the fact that
there are no polls or surveys to actually know how many people died
where and under what circumstances. The other historian I was thinking
of was Raul Hilberg.
Nizkor offers an extensive list of citations from Holocaust historians
worldwide with respect to Auschwitz, at
http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial/appendix-2-01.html,
but I don't recall a list of estimates for the Nazi era.
Gerald Fleming's figure is just under 5 million, at 4,975,477, while
Yehuda Bauer estimates 5.8 million.
Then there's disgraced British author, David Irving, who once put the
figure at 4 million, but also has claimed "fewer than the number of
victims of Allied bombs" or something equally silly.
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David Irving, Holocaust denial, and his connections to Right-Wing
Extremists and Neo-Nazism in Germany:
http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/hweb/people/f/funke-hajo/
From Shermer and Grobman, _Denying History_:
"... Most Holocaust scholars, however, using reliable figures (see below)
and cross-checking them with other sources, place the total between
5.1 and 6.3 million Jewish victims. And, of course, there were many
millions more killed by the Nazis, including gypsies, Poles, Serbs,
Czechs, Soviet citizens, mentally and physically handicapped ptients,
political prisoners, Soviet POWs, and the countless civilians in towns
throughout Europe who simply got in the way.
While estimates vary, there is independent corroboration among
historians, using different methods and different souce materials.
Indeed, the variation adds credibility to the figure of around six
million, for it would be far more likely that the numbers were
"cooked" if they all came out the same. The fact that they do not
come out the same but are within a reasonable range of error
variance gives us assurance that somewhere between the earlier
estimates of five million and more recent estimates of six million
Jews died in the Holocaust. [...] More accurate esitmates will be
made in the future as new information from Russia and formerly held
Soviet territories continues to surface. The overall figure, however,
is not likely to change by more than a few tens of thousands, and
certainly not by millions." (Page 174)
On Page 176, incidentally, is a summary table of four major studies,
the earliest (Reitlinger, 1953) giving 4.5 million, the most
recent (Wolfgang Benz, 1991) giving about 6.2 million.
>>And no amount of "But they did it too" can alter the fact that around six
>>million Jews were taken by the Holocaust.
>The Establishment says SIX, but historians differ. Some (including
>Yehudah Bauer and others ) say 5,400,000, others 4 million and some.
>And others go to 7 million and yet others 1-2 million........
7, 5, 4... Like I said... *around* six million.
--
Susie
My people (Gypsies) lost many thousands during the nazi regime, we continue
today to be oppressed by governments which have decided what is "right" for
us. Just as Israel seems to have decided what is right for the Palestinians,
I remember the massacres of Palestinians while the Israeli security forces
turned a blind eye or in some cases actively helped, I remember the bombing
of the Hotel David & the innocents who died there.
I will never forget, nor will my people or my children after me, prejudice,
hatred and racial bias such as YOURS Susan must never be forgotten or folk
like A. Hitler & A. Sharon will have won.
Ray
Susan Cohen wrote in message <3A8DAC14...@his.com>...
Zionists care for and only for Jews and will not stop at anything to make
sure that only their Zionist propaganda of hate, lies and distortions go
unchallenged.
ralph <124...@gernsback.net> wrote in message
news:3A8CC4...@gernsback.net...
And no amount of Zionist propaganda of hate, lies and distortions can alter
the fact that much more than six million Christians were murdered by
Stalin's Jewish Bolsheviks in the former Soviet Union and Red Army occupied
Europe.
It is just a question of which group of murderers you want to side with :-)>
>
> --
> Susie
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Well said. Most people who consider the murder of Jews by the German Nazis
a tragedy are just as appalled by the hypocritical and callous attempts by
Zionist propagandist to downplay the tragedy of everyone else. In addition
to the Jews, Hitler murdered Gypsies, Homosexuals and as many Slavs (Poles,
Russians, etc.) as he was able to. Especially disgusting is the Zionists
support for Turkey's denial of Armenian Genocide. The Zionist controlled
media all but managed to ignore the genocide and mass starvation in Africa.
These people have mastered and "improved" Hitler's Nazi propaganda.
Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
news:3A8DAC14...@his.com...