"The Meaning of Life" Problems with the transfer?
The Magically Delicious Mr. H***
The Meaning of Life" and I am not happy with the quality of the film,
not at all.
Is there any talk on problems with disc one? Because on the one I
purchased I'm having a lot of trouble believing they released this set
in this condition. I'm not up on all the technical terms some of you
folks on here use, but I'll say that the picture seems to come apart
leaving a sort of residual effect of people and things that they were
there a few micro-seconds before (breaking up into pixels but mostly in
a horizontal fashion) and this happens whenever someone moves, there are
lines, dirt, and scratches on the print too.
Unacceptable.
Now, to be sure there wasn't a problem with my DVD player, I inserted a
few other discs (15000 Holey points if you can guess the film I tested)
as well as the second "Meaning of Life" disc that features the
documentaries and such, and encountered no such problems.
Anyone else have similar problems with this disc?
..
Mr. H***
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"The Magically Delicious Mr. H***" <holef...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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ONce again the buyer gets UNIVERSALly fucked with this so called new
transfer.
Ben Nunn
(holef...@webtv.net), in message
24688-3F...@storefull-2334.public.lawson.webtv.net who said:
> Anyone else have similar problems with this disc?
Yes.
Very jittery picture - looks like the NTSC framerate isn't converting nicely
at all.
I own around 100 other Region 1/NTSC discs, and I've only encountered this
problem once before.
I'm finding it painful to watch - good to know that I'm not alone - and hope
that they'll issue replacements, as this is unacceptable for a 'special
edition'.
Again, no probs with disc 2.
BTN
Greg King
Greg
In article <bjcm8r$hkie1$1...@ID-55895.news.uni-berlin.de>, Ben Nunn
Jaime M. de Castellvi
Magically Delicious Mr. H***) wrote:
>Today, I picked up the new special edition 2 disc set of "Monty Python's
>The Meaning of Life" and I am not happy with the quality of the film,
>not at all.
>
>Is there any talk on problems with disc one? Because on the one I
>purchased I'm having a lot of trouble believing they released this set
>in this condition. I'm not up on all the technical terms some of you
>folks on here use, but I'll say that the picture seems to come apart
>leaving a sort of residual effect of people and things that they were
>there a few micro-seconds before (breaking up into pixels but mostly in
>a horizontal fashion) and this happens whenever someone moves, there are
>lines, dirt, and scratches on the print too.
>Unacceptable.
>
>Now, to be sure there wasn't a problem with my DVD player, I inserted a
>few other discs (15000 Holey points if you can guess the film I tested)
>as well as the second "Meaning of Life" disc that features the
>documentaries and such, and encountered no such problems.
>
>Anyone else have similar problems with this disc?
Bunch of people apparently have, judging from the replies.
Thank you very much for letting us know, Mr. Hole. Be a while before
I can afford many special edition DVDs, but now I'll be sure not to
purchase that one at any event until they get their act together.
Hmmm, I've never had a DVD taster working for me before, but now I
find the idea highly appealing. Would you be my DVD taster, Mr. Hole,
to ensure I don't get myself unduly poisoned by slightly untasteful
special (or any, actually) editions?
On another note, knowing what a big movie buff you are, I've been
craving to hear your opinion about _The Thirteenth Warrior_ as a
movie. Would you kindly tell me?
Cheers,
Jaime
mmosk...@smwinc.com
3000 bedroom DVD player and 19" monitor and saw the horizontal
streeeking when there was on screen movement. I did notice that the
commentary track wasn't subtitled. I've watched a few British Region
2 DVDs lately and it's great when all the soundtracks are subtitled so
as not to disturb sleeping babies and spouses.
Back to Python. I endured 30 minutes of streaking and tried it in the
living room Cyberhome CH-402 and 26" monitor and everything looked
fine. I'll try it on my ancient first generation Pioneer DVD/LD
combination player tonight and post tomorrow.
Regards, Michael
Darren DeWolfe
mmosk...@smwinc.com (mmosk...@smwinc.com) wrote:
> I tried to watch the first disc in the set last night on my Daewoo
> 3000 bedroom DVD player and 19" monitor and saw the horizontal
> streeeking when there was on screen movement. ...and tried it in the
> living room Cyberhome CH-402 and 26" monitor and everything looked
> fine.
I have noticed it as well when I play it in my machine. I don't have
another DVD player to try it in. I have read a few more accounts of
this probem and suppose a recall will be announced eventually. What
with problems with "Back to the Future" DVDs, recalled "Duel" DVDs and
now this it would it would seem that Universal is having a bad year. :>
>D<
Erik Harris
Delicious Mr. H***) wrote:
>Is there any talk on problems with disc one? Because on the one I
>purchased I'm having a lot of trouble believing they released this set
>in this condition. I'm not up on all the technical terms some of you
Is this through the whole movie? I tried watching it a few days ago, and got
through the Crimson Whatever bit, and was just starting to get into the rest
of the movie when we were interrupted by three phone calls in a row. By the
time they were done, we didn't have time to watch the movie and get a decent
amount of sleep for work Monday, so we decided to put it off awhile. In the
portion that I watched (on my Sharp 36" NTSC TV with V-compression and crappy
Samsung P-421 DVD player), I didn't notice the problems that you and other
people here have mentioned. When I get a chance, I'll try it in my computer
and see what it looks like.
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Max Volume
<n$wsr$ader@$harrishom$.com> wrote:
> Is this through the whole movie? I tried watching it a few days ago, and got
> through the Crimson Whatever bit, and was just starting to get into the rest
> of the movie when we were interrupted by three phone calls in a row. By the
> time they were done, we didn't have time to watch the movie and get a decent
> amount of sleep for work Monday, so we decided to put it off awhile. In the
> portion that I watched (on my Sharp 36" NTSC TV with V-compression and crappy
> Samsung P-421 DVD player), I didn't notice the problems that you and other
> people here have mentioned. When I get a chance, I'll try it in my computer
> and see what it looks like.
Some have said they don't experience a problem, although they may just
not notice it. I tried the disc on my iMac as well as my cheap APEX
player and analog 27" TV, and the effect was actually WORSE on the
iMac.
Blarg
Max Volume wrote:
> In article <etpslvk4u4h8gn9fa...@4ax.com>, Erik Harris
> <n$wsr$ader@$harrishom$.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Is this through the whole movie? I tried watching it a few days ago, and got
>>through the Crimson Whatever bit, and was just starting to get into the rest
>>of the movie when we were interrupted by three phone calls in a row. By the
>>time they were done, we didn't have time to watch the movie and get a decent
>>amount of sleep for work Monday, so we decided to put it off awhile. In the
>>portion that I watched (on my Sharp 36" NTSC TV with V-compression and crappy
>>Samsung P-421 DVD player), I didn't notice the problems that you and other
>>people here have mentioned. When I get a chance, I'll try it in my computer
>>and see what it looks like.
>
>
> Some have said they don't experience a problem, although they may just
> not notice it.
I beginning to think most people are just frikkin blind or retarded! How
this basic field sequencing error ever made it past the so called
"professional compressionists" working at Universal is unbelievable!!
This is a real error on the disk itself and should definitely be obvious
to anyone who understands video. If you don't see this problem on your
player then a) your player sucks, b) your blind or c) you have
Attention Deficit Disorder.
In any case, Universal, you suck! Next time could you please select the
"lower field first" option before you send out the RECALL disks...
(bloody f-ing morons)....
Ben Nunn
message I%z7b.101950$kW.47920@edtnps84 who said:
>
> I beginning to think most people are just frikkin blind or retarded!
> How
> this basic field sequencing error ever made it past the so called
> "professional compressionists" working at Universal is unbelievable!!
> This is a real error on the disk itself and should definitely be
> obvious
> to anyone who understands video. If you don't see this problem on
> your
> player then a) your player sucks, b) your blind or c) you have
> Attention Deficit Disorder.
>
> In any case, Universal, you suck! Next time could you please select
> the "lower field first" option before you send out the RECALL disks...
> (bloody f-ing morons)....
Hmm... maybe the fault only affected one particular batch/pressing.
It would explain why some people are reporting no problems at all if it's
only some copies that are faulty.
BTN
Paul
> "lower field first" option before you send out the RECALL disks...
> (bloody f-ing morons)....
Has there been any rumblings about an actual recall for this release?
Paul
Max Volume
<ben...@depro.co.uk> wrote:
> Hmm... maybe the fault only affected one particular batch/pressing.
And how exactly is that possible? Do you know ANYTHING about digital
media?
Ben Nunn
(macsv...@yahoo.com), in message
It's entirely possible that one or more low-volume test runs were burned
before the 'fault' was noticed.
But after this was corrected, the bad copies ended up in the distribution
pile anyway owing to an administrative error.
BTN
Erik Harris
It (and "Blarg's" explanation) wouldn't explain the reports of people trying
the disc in multiple players and getting different results, though. I
remember seeing a post from a guy who tried three different set-top DVD
players, and got three different results, including one player where the
problem wasn't noticeable.
Max Volume
Twilight <n...@spam.invalid> wrote:
> At any rate, I doubt that every one of them that's out there were
> pressed at the same time, and/or with exactly the same equipment. It's
> entirely possible that one batch got screwed up and the others didn't.
Again, you obviously don't know shit about digital media.
Blarg
I believe the difference is in comb filtering, or a different treatment
in how the field sequencing (interpolation) is handled. Lower end models
such as my Apex do almost nothing to alter field sequencing. The
"Meaning Of Life" error is extremely visible on this unit. On my higher
end Panasonic, the error in very hard to see in real time. But even on
this model, if you view the movie in slow motion the field reversal is
very noticeable.
I inspected the framing and I see nothing wrong with the actual position
of the fields, therefore it's highly likely that it is a flagging error
that has players switching fields.
I was happy with how Universal dealt with BTTF. And that was only a
minor error in the cropping of just a few seconds of those films. But
this is an annoying error that propagates throughout the entire movie.
(one of my all-time fav films to boot!!)
C'mon Universal, do the right thing...
Erik Harris
>I was happy with how Universal dealt with BTTF. And that was only a
>minor error in the cropping of just a few seconds of those films. But
>this is an annoying error that propagates throughout the entire movie.
>(one of my all-time fav films to boot!!)
Didn't it also take Universal a few months to officially acknowledge the
problem and say they'd fix it? And then a few more months to actually do it?
>C'mon Universal, do the right thing...
And hopefully a bit more promptly this time. If the problem is as simple as
you say, it shouldn't require any significant work on their part, and should
be an easier fix than BTTF was.
On-Liner
"Erik Harris" wrote
> Blarg wrote:
> >I was happy with how Universal dealt with BTTF. And that was only a
> >minor error in the cropping of just a few seconds of those films. But
> >this is an annoying error that propagates throughout the entire movie.
> >(one of my all-time fav films to boot!!)
>
> Didn't it also take Universal a few months to officially acknowledge the
> problem and say they'd fix it? And then a few more months to actually do
it?
>
> >C'mon Universal, do the right thing...
>
> And hopefully a bit more promptly this time. If the problem is as simple
as
> you say, it shouldn't require any significant work on their part, and
should
> be an easier fix than BTTF was.
But it will still takes months for the corrected version to filter through
to the shops.
No company is going to recall every single faulty DVD - there's too much
profit to lose.
At best, they'll only do a direct exchange for customers who complain about
it.
What's more likely is they'll wait until the faulty versions have sold out
before re-supplying the retailers with the new, fixed version.
Damian
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Dr. Planarian
>
>"The Magically Delicious Mr. H***" <holef...@webtv.net> wrote in message
>news:24688-3F...@storefull-2334.public.lawson.webtv.net...
>> Today, I picked up the new special edition 2 disc set of "Monty Python's
>> The Meaning of Life" and I am not happy with the quality of the film,
>> not at all.
(Etc.)
After looking forward to this release with great anticipation (being
an absolutely rabid MPFC fan and owning everything I can get my hands
on that any of them have ever done), I purchased "Meaning of Life" on
its first day of release. After seeing the problem (every third frame
breaks up into a phase inversion ghost, causing highly distracting
jittery waves to appear in anything moving on the screen while leaving
stationary fields intact), I returned the disc for exchange, only to
have the problem persist on the replacement.
Now I have a Best Buy store credit, but I will address ridiculous
restrictive defective product return policies on a forum more
appropriate for such a discussion. I'd have much preferred cash,
which is what I paid for the product in the first place.
I find it difficult to understand how any of you can't see this
problem on the disc. Try frame-by-frame and it will become obvious to
you. Perhaps you're too accustomed to viewing VHS tapes on a machine
with fouled heads, which is what the effect resembles.
I cannot believe that this isn't an accident and Universal will recall
the defective discs. Greed only gets you so far, and something this
damaging to their reputation for quality can't be good for them in a
commercial sense, at least not as good for them in the long run as
doing the right thing.
Dr. P
Steve(JazzHunter)
The encode was done with incorrect field order. The source AVI or
video stream was lower field first, the render upper first, the result
is that after the pulldown flags are added frames 4 and 5 are
reversed, either causing interlacing or jerky playback depending upon
the player. This is for 30fps, I'm betting that those using 24 FPS
progressive playback won't see a problem because there is no
interlacing or pulldown flags for 29..97 recovery.. It's a very bad
disc with an inexcusable error.
>
>I cannot believe that this isn't an accident and Universal will recall
>the defective discs. Greed only gets you so far, and something this
>damaging to their reputation for quality can't be good for them in a
>commercial sense, at least not as good for them in the long run as
>doing the right thing.
Universal has no quality control whatosever, bad framing on BTTF, bad
film transfers on Benny Goodman, an inexplicable recall of "Duel" -
the list is endless.
. Steve .
>
>Dr. P
IA
greatly depend on the quality of your DVD player as well.
I tried playing the first disc on one of those panasonic DVD/VCR
combos and the picture was plagued by continual instability whenever
fast action took place. Then I tried it on my Lasonic 8090 and it
played fine, and without any really, really noticeable glitches.
Anyway, I went to Universal's website and sent them an irate message
about the disc, but thank God in the meantime for quality DVD players.
IA
Dr. Planarian
<jazzh...@collector.org> wrote:
>
>The encode was done with incorrect field order. The source AVI or
>video stream was lower field first, the render upper first, the result
>is that after the pulldown flags are added frames 4 and 5 are
>reversed, either causing interlacing or jerky playback depending upon
>the player. This is for 30fps, I'm betting that those using 24 FPS
>progressive playback won't see a problem because there is no
>interlacing or pulldown flags for 29..97 recovery.. It's a very bad
>disc with an inexcusable error.
That sounds like what I'm seeing. I have a high quality but older
model Toshiba DVD player without progressive scan, and every other DVD
I have ever bought plays absolutely beautifully on it, with the
biggest problem I've ever encountered being an occasional brief
(usually <1 second, once or twice up to three seconds) freeze between
layers.
>>I cannot believe that this isn't an accident and Universal will recall
>>the defective discs. Greed only gets you so far, and something this
>>damaging to their reputation for quality can't be good for them in a
>>commercial sense, at least not as good for them in the long run as
>>doing the right thing.
>
>Universal has no quality control whatosever, bad framing on BTTF, bad
>film transfers on Benny Goodman, an inexplicable recall of "Duel" -
>the list is endless.
It seems that most of my DVDs are Universal. I have maybe 120 now and
this is the first I've ever had any problem with beyond my daughter's
fingerprints that I could just wipe off on my robe.
But why THIS DVD, fer cryin' out loud! Don't they realize that Monty
Python fans are more anal about such things than anyone else?
I too wrote a note to Universal, but not a nasty angry one, hoping
that maybe they'll hearken better to softer words. I did mention that
I returned one for exchange, and then returned the second for store
credit. Perhaps if we all return ours to the stores and they get
buried in a mountain of returns they'll do something about it.
Dr. P
Mr. Fishface
about the transfer without even opening it. I decided to pick it up again
today at costco, put it in my cyberhome 500 and much to my surprise it
looked perfect. Not a thing people have been complaining about.
"IA" <iamana...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Steve(JazzHunter)
<n...@spam.invalid> wrote:
>In article <ZLT8b.6549$Aq2....@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Mr.
>Fishface <dpop...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> I bought MOL when it came out and returned it after hearing all the problems
>> about the transfer without even opening it. I decided to pick it up again
>> today at costco, put it in my cyberhome 500 and much to my surprise it
>> looked perfect. Not a thing people have been complaining about.
>
>I haven't had any problems with this disc either. Absolutely none.
>Looks as near to perfect as can be for a film this age. (My player is
>a JVC model, progressive scan)
The problems seem to only be with interlaced field order and pulldown
flags (24 -> 30fps) so what you're saying does support what I said in
another part of this thread.
. Steve ..
>
>Am I correct in assuming that anyone using progressive scan would never
>notice this disc's "problem" anyway?
Steve(JazzHunter)
<flat...@stop.spam.cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 11:34:40 -0400, "Steve(JazzHunter)"
><jazzh...@collector.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>The encode was done with incorrect field order. The source AVI or
>>video stream was lower field first, the render upper first, the result
>>is that after the pulldown flags are added frames 4 and 5 are
>>reversed, either causing interlacing or jerky playback depending upon
>>the player.
>That sounds like what I'm seeing. I
>>>I cannot believe that this isn't an accident and Universal will recall
>>>the defective discs. Greed only gets you so far, and something this
>>>damaging to their reputation for quality can't be good for them in a
>>>commercial sense, at least not as good for them in the long run as
>>>doing the right thing.
>>
>>Universal has no quality control whatosever, bad framing on BTTF, bad
>>film transfers on Benny Goodman, an inexplicable recall of "Duel" -
>>the list is endless.
>
>It seems that most of my DVDs are Universal. I have maybe 120 now and
>this is the first I've ever had any problem with beyond my daughter's
>fingerprints that I could just wipe off on my robe.
But Universal has screwed up several major releases as well as some
minor ones. I have about 20 Universal DVD's (my collection is more to
Kino, Criterion, Columbia, Image etc.) and out of those 20, 5 have
problems, a signifcant percentage. I presume you either have the
corrected Back to the Future or not at all, since the framing is so
awful on some scenes on discs 2 and 3 that anyone would notice it.
Also "The Benny Goodman story" is unwatchable with its claustrophobic
cropping. "The Glenn Miller Story" on the other hand is an almost
perfect transfer with outstanidng audio.
The biggest irony is that I did manage to get Duel, the cancelled
Universal release, and it's flawless, technically a perfect DVD!
. Steve .
>
Erik Harris
Does your TV do progressive scan, too? A progressive scan DVD player is no
different than any other DVD player on a normal NTSC (or PAL) television.
On a digital TV that can play 480p, I suppose it would depend on how the DVD
player handles its progressive scan conversion. If it does it the smart way,
and bases its display on the 24p MPEG-2 source data, then you shouldn't
notice field order flag problems. If it does it the stupid way, and decodes
the MPEG-2 stream fully (converting it to 60Hz interlaced) and then makes its
progressive scan output from that, then you should see the problem.
I don't know which method most (or all) DVD players use, but it seems like it
would be kind of stupid to use the latter method, since it would require so
much extra computation (interpolation to get a 720x480 frame out of a 720x240
field) and slightly lower image quality.
Eric Imgrund
Michael Moskovitz
technology in the DVD format, a small number of DVD players do not have the
technical capability to take full advantage of the "Monty Python's The
Meaning of Life" disc format. Universal Studios Home Video has become aware
of a player specific issue which results in the appearance of jagged video
interlacing, on disc 1 only. Disc 2 is NOT affected. Consumers with an
incompatible player may mail back Disc 1 to Universal and receive a
replacement. To obtain a pre-paid USPS envelope in which to mail back the
original Disc 1, please call 1-800-433-4673. Replacement discs are currently
scheduled to be available mid-November 2003.
We appreciate your patronage and hope you continue to enjoy our products.
Sincerely,
Universal Studios Home Video
Code=MPML
MetzLan
"Michael Moskovitz" <CHER...@AOL.COM> wrote in message
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> Thank you for contacting Universal Studios. With the advent of
cutting-edge
> technology in the DVD format, a small number of DVD players do not have
the
> technical capability to take full advantage of the "Monty Python's The
> Meaning of Life" disc format. Universal Studios Home Video has become
aware
> of a player specific issue which results in the appearance of jagged video
> interlacing, on disc 1 only. Disc 2 is NOT affected. Consumers with an
> incompatible player may mail back Disc 1 to Universal and receive a
> replacement. To obtain a pre-paid USPS envelope in which to mail back the
> original Disc 1, please call 1-800-433-4673. Replacement discs are
currently
> scheduled to be available mid-November 2003.
>
Steve Knoblock
"MetzLan" <met...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Michael Moskovitz" <CHER...@AOL.COM> wrote in message
> news:acf0bc99.03091...@posting.google.com...
> > Thank you for contacting Universal Studios. With the advent of
> cutting-edge
They mean not all players can cover up their mistakes.
Steve
Blarg
So what exactly is this AMAZING feature found only on disk one of MOL??
How does taking full advantage of this AMAZING feature improve our
experience of this movie? (as opposed to the regular way of doing
things found in 99.999% of other DVDs)
Dr. Planarian
regarding the flaws in the long-awated Meaning of Life disk as
follows, and received the following rather peculiar but not totally
unsatisfactory reqponse:
First my letter:
__________________________
I am deeply disappointed with the quality of the transfer of "Monty
Python's Meaning of Life" to DVD. It seems that every third frame
breaks up into a pronounced phase-ghost effect combining the content
of two different frames, causing a jittery, wavy effect on any portion
of the image that is in motion.
I have returned the DVD, first for exchange, and then after the
replacement exhibited the same flaw, for store credit. I then
researched the problem and discovered that it has been encountered by
others nationwide, and is all the talk of the fan Usenet sites (some
of which express an unusually profound anger at your willingness to
release this particularly long-awaited title in such an unacceptable
state).
Are there any plans to correct this problem, and how might I obtain a
more competently transferred edition of this DVD? I am very
interested in obtaining a non-defective copy of it as soon as
possible, because it is one of my most favorite movies and I have
everything else this bunch of guys has ever done.
____________________________
And now for something completely different, Universal Studios' emailed
reply:
____________________________
Thank you for contacting Universal Studios. With the advent of
cutting-edge technology in the DVD format, a small number of DVD
players do not have the technical capability to take full advantage of
the "Monty Python's The Meaning of Life" disc format. Universal
Studios Home Video has become aware of a player specific issue which
results in the appearance of jagged video interlacing, on disc 1 only.
Disc 2 is NOT affected. Consumers with an incompatible player may mail
back Disc 1 to Universal and receive a replacement. To obtain a
pre-paid USPS envelope in which to mail back the original Disc 1,
please call 1-800-433-4673. Replacement discs are currently scheduled
to be available mid-November 2003. We appreciate your patronage and
hope you continue to enjoy our products. Sincerely, Universal Studios
Home Video Code=MPML
_____________________________
I see. This translates to, "So, because some newer DVD players are
able to compensate for the flaws in our encoding, we'll call it a
'feature' rather than a flaw and, if you just go out and buy it again,
we'll fix it in a couple of months."
At least they pay the postage, so it could be worse, I suppose.
I called the 800 number listed in the message and, to my astonishment,
there was no labyrinthine voice mail system or anything. The phone
was answered on the first ring by a friendly, personable actual human
being, a rather nice girl who was pleasant to talk to and who laughed
at my jokes and everything. I felt a little sorry for her because
their company policy dictates that she read to me the entire text of
the material I got from them already via email, wasting her time and
mine, substituting a query about my home address and where I purchased
the disc for the "please call 1-800..." part.
I wonder if all the subsequent shipments of "Meaning of Life" will
feature this "cutting edge technology in the DVD format," or if maybe
they'll "revert" to the regular encoding methods that work properly.
Dr. P
Steve Knoblock
"Dr. Planarian" <flat...@stop.spam.cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:q0ammvsb2gbfrk1d2...@4ax.com...
> Studios Home Video has become aware of a player specific issue which
> results in the appearance of jagged video interlacing, on disc 1 only.
Look, if someone can verify the flags are reversed then we can end all this
arguing and get back to the regular newsgroup garbage.
Steve
Steve(JazzHunter)
I have the disc, the field order is reversed, something I've done on
my own encodes accidently by encoding to Mpeg as Upper field first an
AVI that was in fact lower field first. That will by nature make the
pulldown flags incorrect since the 4th and 5th fields in a 24fps ->
30fps pulldown conversion are in effect reversed. I have ripped the
Mpeg from the disc to the hard drive, used PulldownGUI to switch the
field flags, and solved the problem (mostly.) That is confirmation of
the field order being wrong.
This is a mistake in encoding, entirely Universal's fault, and I find
it INCREDIBLE, Unbelievable, that they would pass this off as
"incompatible with some players"! That's like selling a car without a
battery so it has to be pushed downhill to start and saying the car's
starter is "Incompatible with some geographic locations."
. Steve ... (Jazzhunter) ..
>Steve
>
Frank
Even crappy $70 players have progressive suppport now.
"Steve(JazzHunter)" <jazzh...@collector.org> wrote in message
news:p33nmvo78ok8fohqv...@4ax.com...
gardibolt
> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 06:25:03 GMT, Keeper of the Purple Twilight
> <n...@spam.invalid> wrote:
>
> >In article <ZLT8b.6549$Aq2....@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Mr.
> >Fishface <dpop...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I bought MOL when it came out and returned it after hearing all the problems
> >> about the transfer without even opening it. I decided to pick it up again
> >> today at costco, put it in my cyberhome 500 and much to my surprise it
> >> looked perfect. Not a thing people have been complaining about.
> >
> >I haven't had any problems with this disc either. Absolutely none.
> >Looks as near to perfect as can be for a film this age. (My player is
> >a JVC model, progressive scan)
>
> The problems seem to only be with interlaced field order and pulldown
> flags (24 -> 30fps) so what you're saying does support what I said in
> another part of this thread.
>
> . Steve ..
>
Since the problem is with the flags, it would show up only on DVD
players that rely entirely on flagging for reading the frames. Those
that read based on cadence would read it just fine, which explains the
different results people have in different players. Unfortunately for
Universal, MOST players read based on flags, rather than cadence since
that's a slightly cheaper chip.
Mark