BBS situation for comment
John Warren
bulletin board dedicated to BDSM. A bit of a dispute as occurred
that I feel would benefit from input from those in ASB.
The situation is this. Prior to my taking control of BDS, a
program was installed called The Dungeon. Based on the old Scott
Adams games, it presented the user with a word maze which had to
be navigated in order to escape. However, one usually doesn't
enter the dungeon on his or her own. One is "sent" there by
another user who has "the key." (A person with the key can
"arrest" or "pardon" anyone including himself or herself.) The
logic was that the self declared doms would get the keys and send
willing submissives in. The problems with this are evident. We
have had problems with "a certain lack of negotiation" on the
part of some individuals.
A complication is that the dungeon is also used as a holding cell
for someone who has been behaving abusively on the board. While
in the dungeon, the one who activated the dungeon explains to the
"prisoner" via paging why the action as been taken and how he or
she can avoid getting thrown in again.
I'm presenting this situation for comment.
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John Warren <jwa...@max.tiac.net> wrote:
>As some of you know, I run The Boston Dungeon Society, a computer
>bulletin board dedicated to BDSM. A bit of a dispute as occurred
>program was installed called The Dungeon. Based on the old Scott
>enter the dungeon on his or her own. One is "sent" there by
>another user who has "the key." (A person with the key can
>willing submissives in. The problems with this are evident. We
>have had problems with "a certain lack of negotiation" on the
The Power Exchange also has a dungeon avialable for members, but
consenuality is not a problem. A submissive must accept a collar
<thus consensuality> before the Dom who offered the collar can use
that command and all other D/s commands.
>A complication is that the dungeon is also used as a holding cell
>for someone who has been behaving abusively on the board. While
>in the dungeon, the one who activated the dungeon explains to the
>"prisoner" via paging why the action as been taken and how he or
>she can avoid getting thrown in again.
The dungeon is also used in this manner by the staff of TPE, who have
the power to throw anyone in the Dungeon.
This is a MajorBBS and all commands were designed and programmed by our
talented owner Robert.
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Steven S. Davis
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jwa...@max.tiac.net (John Warren) writes
: As some of you know, I run The Boston Dungeon Society, a computer
: bulletin board dedicated to BDSM. A bit of a dispute as occurred
: that I feel would benefit from input from those in ASB.
:
: The situation is this. Prior to my taking control of BDS, a
: program was installed called The Dungeon. Based on the old Scott
: Adams games, it presented the user with a word maze which had to
: be navigated in order to escape. However, one usually doesn't
: enter the dungeon on his or her own. One is "sent" there by
: another user who has "the key." (A person with the key can
: "arrest" or "pardon" anyone including himself or herself.) The
: logic was that the self declared doms would get the keys and send
: willing submissives in. The problems with this are evident. We
: have had problems with "a certain lack of negotiation" on the
: part of some individuals.
As you ask below for comment, my comment would be to require a higher
access level for the keys, giving them to people who have earned some
trust (admittedly, on a BBS that may be hard to measure), and don't
be hesitant to drop someone back to a lower access level if sie
abuses the trust the greater access provides (and make it clear that
you will do this).
If the system allows you to designate user "X" as having dom
privileges over users "A, B,....", who would have to agree to such
and could ask the sysop to remove them from "X"'s set should sie
be abusive, that would address this problem.
: A complication is that the dungeon is also used as a holding cell
: for someone who has been behaving abusively on the board. While
: in the dungeon, the one who activated the dungeon explains to the
: "prisoner" via paging why the action as been taken and how he or
: she can avoid getting thrown in again.
Who has this authority ? Just "self declared doms" ? Seems like
there should be at least some subs (or switches) who can act as
"omsubsmen" when subs complain about an abusive user, or a committee
of mixed membership with authority to use the sanction on abusive
doms. If it's not a capablity granted everyone, then it should be
granted only to a trusted set.
: I'm presenting this situation for comment.
Which makes my above comments all IMRO (in my requested opinion) :-)
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That, and I'd be very surprised if the dungeon worked as a form of
self policing any better than simply speaking to the individuals
involved and/or being willing to revoke login's if necessary.
Conflict resolution can certainly be a tricky process. But I'd prefer
to do so through persuasion where possible rather than through force.
If I'm going to use force, I'd just as soon use it to completely eject
the trouble maker.
Chris.
AndreasMan
Your description of "holding cell" sounds delightful. But you didn't
indicate what problems have occured > is it just a certain amount of
non-consensual imprisonment?
very best
Andreas
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>
> The Power Exchange also has a dungeon avialable for members, but
> consenuality is not a problem. A submissive must accept a collar
> <thus consensuality> before the Dom who offered the collar can use
> that command and all other D/s commands.
>
Just to add a brief .02 here, not only is consensuality the basis for the
Dungeon on TPE, but the quality of the members also aids here. Just once,
I was addressed by a new member as "slut." Before I could even TYPE a
response, four other people on the Board had called this person (gently)
to task. I was impressed.
Perrrfect
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ELLIO...@delphi.com
> As some of you know, I run The Boston Dungeon Society, a computer
> bulletin board dedicated to BDSM. A bit of a dispute as occurred
> that I feel would benefit from input from those in ASB.
> willing submissives in. The problems with this are evident. We
> have had problems with "a certain lack of negotiation" on the
> part of some individuals.
I'm not sure I understand exactly what the problem is. If it's that Doms are
randomly plugging others into the maze without the others concent, I see 2
possible solutions. Either explain to the doms doing the random jailing that
their use of the maze (and their keyword) will be suspended if they don't
follow the rules (including negotiation). If it's hard or impossible to
remove the keyword, remove their access to the board. The second solution
would be to mark the accounts of those that are "willing submissives" and do
a bit of reprogramming to only allow those with marked accounts to be sent
to the dungeon by those doms with keywords. Since the dungeon is also a
"punishment" area for those that misuse the system you might want to give
selected individuals special access to send ANYONE to the dungeon, and in
these cases you could probably even make the keyword of the person sent
inactive.
> A complication is that the dungeon is also used as a holding cell
> for someone who has been behaving abusively on the board. While
> in the dungeon, the one who activated the dungeon explains to the
> "prisoner" via paging why the action as been taken and how he or
> she can avoid getting thrown in again.
> I'm presenting this situation for comment.
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Another option, and the big reason I don't see a problem, is that anytime I
log on to anyones bulletin board I expect to have to follow their rules. If
the sysop has established the board as a "Christian, Family BBS" I can be
fairly sure that they don't want me talking about Wicca, Bondage, S/M, sex,
or other topics that don't fit into the "Christian, Family" motif. If I do
and it offends them, it's their right to kick me off their board. On the
other hand, if it's an "Adult" board or "Kinky" board and I start getting on
telling everyone how sick and depraved they are, the sysop has the same
right to kick me out for not follow their rules.
What I'm trying to say is just that by signing on to your board and
scrolling past the user notices and rules, I AM consenting to those rules.
elliot
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TyMeDwn1st
> Seems like
>there should be at least some subs (or switches) who can act as
>"omsubsmen" when subs complain about an abusive user, or a committee
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This earns my nomination for the best wordplay of the month!
Ty
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a slightly skewed
Donna Reed
And who will be over in that college town for the next week, attempting to
house sit, wrangle the killer poodles, worship the Most Exalted cats,
*and* maintain her sanity while the guy who lives in the house visits the
left coast. Anything exciting cooking (so to speak) in L.A. next week?
Xiphias Gladius
>The situation is this. Prior to my taking control of BDS, a
>program was installed called The Dungeon. Based on the old Scott
>Adams games, it presented the user with a word maze which had to
>be navigated in order to escape. However, one usually doesn't
>enter the dungeon on his or her own. One is "sent" there by
>another user who has "the key." (A person with the key can
>"arrest" or "pardon" anyone including himself or herself.)
[ . . . ]
>A complication is that the dungeon is also used as a holding cell
>for someone who has been behaving abusively on the board. While
>in the dungeon, the one who activated the dungeon explains to the
>"prisoner" via paging why the action as been taken and how he or
>she can avoid getting thrown in again.
Howabout modifying the program so that typing "safeword" gets you out?
You could add complexity and allow sysadmins to have a "no-safeword"
ability. . .
How do people get the key? Who has the key?
- Ian