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HALACHA ON - LINE

In Memory of Rabbi Dov Ber Rosenblum z''l
a dedicated Torah scholar whose greatest love was the study and
clarification of Halacha

Food Preparations, Part One vol.2 no.10

In an effort to limit social mingling with our gentile neighbors and
the intermarriage which might result, our sages prohibited eating food
cooked by gentiles, even if all ingredients are kosher and the food is
cooked in a kosher vessel while under the watchful eye of a Jewish
supervisor.

Such food is referred to in Hebrew as bishul nochri or bishul akum. It
is particularly important to bear this issue in mind if one has a
non-Jewish housekeeper or attendant who takes part in household food
preparation.

When establishing this prohibition, the sages excluded foods which
would have been fully edible prior to the cooking process. Therefore,
pasteurization of milk and juice, though typically done by non-Jews,
presents no bishul nochri problem. Some authorities use this exclusion
as the justification for the common practice to drink coffee or tea
cooked by a gentile. These drinks can be viewed as basically being
flavored water. As water is drinkable prior to any cooking, water and
by extension coffee and tea, are exempted from this prohibition. Other
examples within this category would be most fruit and those vegetables
which could be eaten raw.

Another category excluded from this prohibition is that of foods that
are not dignified enough to be served on shulchan melachim - literally
the table of kings or practically, as a dish at a fancy dinner.
Accordingly, if for example, a bowl of oatmeal was cooked by a
non-Jewish housekeeper, the bishul nochri prohibition does not apply.
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HALACHA ON - LINE

In Memory of Rabbi Dov Ber Rosenblum z''l

a dedicated Torah scholar whose greatest love was the study and
clarification of Halacha

Food Production part two vol.2 no.11

In our last issue we introduced the laws of bishul nochri .

[Review: Food Preparations, Part One vol.2 no.10 In an effort to
limit social mingling with our gentile neighbors and the intermarriage
which might result, our sages prohibited eating food cooked by
gentiles, even if all ingredients are kosher and the food is cooked in
a kosher vessel while under the watchful eye of a Jewish supervisor.
Such food is referred to in Hebrew as bishul nochri or bishul akum.]

We received certain questions regarding the common practice of kosher
caterers and commercial food producers. The following additional
guidelines provide significant insight into the halachic basis for
food preparation involving significant amounts of cooking by nochrim .

The prohibition of bishul nochri applies only if the entire cooking
process is done by the nochri . If a Jew places the food on the fire
or, according to the Ashkenazic view, if he ignites or increases the
fire, no bishul nochri problem can develop. Even if the cooking
process was initiated by a nochri , as long as it was substantially
completed by a Jew (e.g. the pot was removed from the fire before the
food can be considered cooked and then returned to the fire by a Jew)
the bishul nochri prohibition will generally not be present. In the
latter case other factors must be determined and halachic guidance is
suggested.

In keeping with this rule, if the food was previously cooked by a Jew
and is merely being reheated by the nochri , no problem arises.

In summary, the bishul nochri prohibition applies only if all of the
following conditions exist :

1.the food was not fit to be eaten prior to the cooking
2.the food is fit to be served as a dish at a formal meal
3.the food was cooked entirely by a nochri (Gentile)

In a situation in which bishul nochri did occur, the vessels in which
the food was cooked are regarded as having non-kosher absorptions. It
is therefore necessary to kasher them prior to further use. However,
since the prohibition involved is only of Rabbinic origin, some
leniencies do apply. If the utensil in question is for some halachic
or practical reason incapable of undergoing a typical absorption
removal process, Rabbinic guidance may yield allowance to use it
without the conventional kashering.

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From B'nai B'rith (Mother of ADL):

http://bnaibrith.org/ijm/articles/wine/index.html

Vineyard Vanguard:

The new taste of a well-aged tradition

By Joseph Berkofsky

[ ... ] (Excerpt used for "educational" purposes]

Like all other kosher food or drink, kosher wine cannot contain any
unkosher animal or fish products; to be kosher for Passover, it must
also not come in contact with any leavened grains.

But the law regarding wine extracts another, more pressing, demand: It
cannot be handled by non-Jews.

The roots of this law reach back to the ancient Land of Israel where,
to prevent Jews from drinking wines used in idol worship, Jewish law
forbade Jews to touch wine that had been moved in an open vessel by
non-Jews, since it was likely used as a wave offering. The rabbis
later went further in battling assimilation, declaring any wine
handled by a non-Jew unfit to drink.

Today, in order to ensure that a wine meets all the kashrut
requirements, the entire winemaking process from grape-crushing to
bottling is overseen by trained, Sabbath-observant Jews, or
mashgichim, who handle all flow of the wine. And, as Ben Welton, a
mashgiach for St. Supéry and others, can attest, this kind of kosher
supervision can mean as much toil as Torah.

With help from nearby non-Jewish winery workers, mashgichim operate
cranes to unload the grapes from trucks after the fall harvest. They
run the crushers which break the grapes, and pipe the crushed grapes
and juice into steel tanks. And they oversee the rest of the process
from fermentation, when yeast converts the grape's sugar into alcohol,
to filtering the wine and moving it into oak barrels to be aged.

At times, says Welton, this is dizzying work - literally. Not too long
ago, he recalls, he had to dig heavy heaps of stems from a huge
fermentation tank at St. Supéry - while wearing a lifeline to show
that he was not inhaling too much alcohol vapor.

Peak season for mashgichim like Welton is between August and January,
when most of the winemaking occurs. And, although a mashgiach need not
be on premises other than when the wine is being moved through the
process, mashgichim will occasionally return to inspect the wine as
it ages to ensure that it has not been touched by non-Jews.

But those wineries that wish to involve non-Jews in the process can
tap into a Talmudic ruling that makes this possible.

Rabbinic authorities decreed that wine, even if touched by non-Jews,
was fit for Jewish use so long as it was mevushal, or cooked. The idea
was, in part, that cooked wine is far less palatable and no one would
want to use it.

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http://www.anshe.org/kmikveh.htm

Tevilas Keylim

1. Why do we immerse our new utensils in a Mikvah? Parshas Mattos,
(31:23) "Everything that would not come in the fire, you shall pass through water."

2. What needs immersion?
Any vessel used in food preparation that was acquired from a non-Jew.
If there is any doubt whether it was acquired from a non-Jew or from a
Jew, it should be immersed without a blessing. If it was acquired from a Jew and
you know it was not immersed, then it also needs immersion with a blessing.

3. What kind of utensils need immersion?
Any utensil that comes in contact with the food during its processing
or its presentation, whether hot or cold, no matter how large or small
in size.

4. What materials are the utensils made of?
Any type of metal, including aluminum, and glass. These two types of
utensils need immersion even if they are covered, i.e., with Teflon.
Corningware and Corelle are immersed without a blessing. Glazed china
is not immersed, according to Rav Moshe Feinstein.

5. What items don't need immersion:

•Wood
•Bone
•Earthenware
•Plastic (Melmac, Nylon)
•Rubber
•Disposable Utensils -- if used for a short time -- like aluminum foil
pans

6. Immersion must be done in a kosher mikvah, like the Keylim Mikvah
at Anshe Emes.

An international directory of Mikvahs is available from ----------,
and you can call the Mikvah in your city for more information.

7. How should immersion be done?

•You only need to immerse the item once, although some people have
customs to do more.
•You must immerse the entire vessel at one time.
•Covers and handles need to be immersed.
•The utensil must be clean. Be careful about labels.
•While standing, hold the utensil in your stronger hand.
•Recite the blessing:
•"al tevilas keylim." (for more than one)
•"al tevilas kli" (for just one)
•Immerse the utensil while holding the utensil so that the water can
enter the entire surface area, including the area being held
•Don't talk during immersion

8. You may not use a utensil that requires immersion and has not yet
been immersed.

9. You may not immerse a utensil on Shabbos or Yom Tov.

10. For specifics on which items need immersion, and whether they
require a blessing or not, please see the attached list.

Anshe Emes Synagogue, Los Angeles, CA 90035

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The bigotry against Gentiles in the above is:
"2. What needs immersion?
Any vessel used in food preparation that was acquired from a non-Jew.
If there is any doubt whether it was acquired from a non-Jew or from a
Jew, it should be immersed without a blessing.
If it was acquired from a Jew and you know it was not immersed, then
it also needs immersion with a blessing."

What message does this send you?

Tell me if all the above Pharisaic clap trap isn't what Jesus was
ridiculing in Mark 7: 1-23.

Mark 7:1-23 (English-RSV)
1 Now when the Pharisees gathered together to him, with some of the
scribes, who had come from Jerusalem,
2 they saw that some of his disciples ate with hands defiled, that is,
unwashed.
3 (For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, do not eat unless they wash
their hands, observing the tradition of the elders;
4 and when they come from the market place, they do not eat unless
they purify themselves; and there are many other traditions which they
observe, the washing of cups and pots and vessels of bronze.)
5 And the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, "Why do your disciples
not live according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with hands
defiled?"
6 And he said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as
it is written, 'This people honors me with their lips, but their heart
is far from me;
7 in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of
men.'
8 You leave the commandment of God, and hold fast the tradition of
men."
9 And he said to them, "You have a fine way of rejecting the
commandment of God, in order to keep your tradition!
10 For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother'; and, 'He who
speaks evil of father or mother, let him surely die';
11 but you say, 'If a man tells his father or his mother, What you
would have gained from me is Corban' (that is, given to God) --
12 then you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or
mother,
13 thus making void the word of God through your tradition which you
hand on. And many such things you do."
14 And he called the people to him again, and said to them, "Hear me,
all of you, and understand:
15 there is nothing outside a man which by going into him can defile
him; but the things which come out of a man are what defile him."
16 _
17 And when he had entered the house, and left the people, his
disciples asked him about the parable.
18 And he said to them, "Then are you also without understanding? Do
you not see that whatever goes into a man from outside cannot defile
him,
19 since it enters, not his heart but his stomach, and so passes on?"
(Thus he declared all foods clean.)
20 And he said, "What comes out of a man is what defiles a man.
21 For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts,
fornication, theft, murder, adultery,
22 coveting, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, envy, slander, pride,
foolishness.
23 All these evil things come from within, and they defile a man."

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Please note that I did not add one word or phrase to the above
scriptures! The "(Thus he declared all foods clean.)" is in the actual
text!

How many of you now believe that Jewry looks upon non-Jews in
any form of equality? Wise up and stop worshipping Jews-- they aren't
your friends.

Doc Tavish

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"We are not allowed to drink any wine or grape juice, or any drink containing wine or grape juice, which has been touched by a non-Jew after the seal of the bottle has been opened."
<http://www.kashrus.org/kosher/supervis.html> Information taken from: Is it Kosher,
Rabbi E. Eidlitz and Spice and Spirit, The Lubavitch Women's Cookbook Publications
(September 15, 2000)

Kill the Spam

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Sep 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/25/00
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To answer your question, what I've learned from your posting is that the
Jews still have an elaborate assortment of rules governing what they may and
may not eat. Big deal. Frankly, if a Jewish friend does not wish to drink
wine from the same cup as myself, I don't see anything to get overly excited
about. I like to think I'm not that easily offended.


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