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acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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Canadian Press reports today that Jews in Quebec, Canada may now avoid
the food labelling laws, requiring that labelling be in French.

While Christians MUST have all food packages labelled in the French
language, l'office de la langue francaise says it has reached an
agreement with the local office of THE CANADIAN JEWISH CONGRESS.

JEWS can now legally break the law for 40 days before, and 20 days after
Passover.

So much for equality of law, as far as JEWS are concerned.

And they wonder why people despise JEWS. It's because they artrange to
break laws, that's why.


Yves_Bérubé

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In article <Pine.A32.3.91.960827...@freenet.edmonton.ab.c,
acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca writes:

Come on... If Christians had special holiday where they needed speciality food
that is usually unavailable in Canada (which is the case for Kosher for
passover food), they would also be allowed to "break the law". You are
comparing apple and oranges here!

If you produced this food for the U.S. and exported it to Canada for only 60
days during the year, would you be willing to pay the extra money to print
bilingual packages, or would you simply say "fuck Canada" ?

The charter of the human right specify that you have the fundamental right of
religion... How can practice your religion if you can't get what you need for
your rites because of some restrictive law ?

Somehow, I have a feeling you are a member of the Reform party, right ?

da...@vax2.concordia.ca

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I think this individual is more a member of Heritage Front than the Reform
Party, although both share similar views. In response to the argument that
allowed enlgish labels on Passover products is the result of collusion between
the CJC and the Office de la Langue Francais, keep in mind that Quebec has had
a consistant antisemitic track record ever since Jews first began
settling the province.
I advice my anti-semitic, bigoted, racist westerner to pick up a copy of
Alan Davies's
Antisemitism in Canada and preuse through the essays on antisemitism in Quebec.
I probably am wasting my time, however, because historical revisionists
like the
individualwho sent the original message on the net are way too ignorant
and void of any
ability to reason to bother reading up on anything other than what they heard at
the local convenience store!

Alec Grynspan

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acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
>
>
> JEWS can now legally break the law for 40 days before, and 20 days after
> Passover.
>

"Legally break the law?"

Is that like going up the down direction?

Of course, you seem to have "forgotten" that all that is implied is that
Hebrew "Kosher For Passover" labels will be allowed on food prepared in
Quebec - so that the money will stay in Quebec, rather than be used to
purchase food prepared elsewhere, which does not have to be French-only.

Since these are foodstuffs that don't normally need any kosher label
(only during Passover) and/or since these foodstuffs are made by
companies that don't have the special exceptions granted to ethnic food
producers - in other words they are not Jewish-owned companies - a
special exception is needed.

Companies owned by ethnics, producing ethnic foods, are already
excepted. That's why you can find Chinese writing on foods produced for
the Chinese population, ect.

Companies not in this category, wishing to prepare seasonal foods and
make a handsome profit from the Jewish population (the stuff costs
considerably more and is separately sold at a high markup) need the
exemption.

So what we have here is someone objecting to non-Jews making a profit
off Jews - and blaming the Jews for making it possible.

He must have been dropped on his head a few times as an infant.

Rajiv K. Gandhi

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In article <4vv64k$l...@sibd001.sidoci.sidoci.qc.ca>, Yves Bérubé wrote:

> Come on... If Christians had special holiday where they needed
speciality food
> that is usually unavailable in Canada (which is the case for Kosher for
> passover food), they would also be allowed to "break the law". You are
> comparing apple and oranges here!
>
> If you produced this food for the U.S. and exported it to Canada for only 60
> days during the year, would you be willing to pay the extra money to print
> bilingual packages, or would you simply say "fuck Canada" ?

Actually what you would be ssaying is fuck quebec. In any event the
language law is wrong. It is unconstitutional. It is also understandable.

> The charter of the human right specify that you have the fundamental right of
> religion... How can practice your religion if you can't get what you need for
> your rites because of some restrictive law ?

The language law is also a violation of the freedom of expression and speech.

> Somehow, I have a feeling you are a member of the Reform party, right ?

No, he is just an anti-semetic twit with nothing better to do than spew hate.

Ken McVay OBC

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In article <4vv64k$l...@sibd001.sidoci.sidoci.qc.ca>, Yves Bérubé wrote:

>Somehow, I have a feeling you are a member of the Reform party, right ?

William Grosvenor? The Reform Party wouldn't have him on a stick.

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Iain Grant

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It's just coincedence that The Toronto Sun printed this article right
slap bang in the middle of 4 pages of Mount Sinai Hospital winners
names.

What a bizarre spot to put a news article.

Iain.

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acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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For your information, non-Jewish importers of foods into Canada, MUST put
labels on their products in English and French!!!

Why should the cursed Jews be exempt from the laws of Quebec, just
because they are Jews?

The cost for producing stickon labels, on a computer for example is
almost nothing, so cost is not the real reason for special treatment for
Jews!!!

On 27 Aug 1996 Yves@.MISSING-HOST-NAME. wrote:

> In article <Pine.A32.3.91.960827...@freenet.edmonton.ab.c,
> acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca writes:
>
> >Canadian Press reports today that Jews in Quebec, Canada may now avoid
> >the food labelling laws, requiring that labelling be in French.
> >
> >While Christians MUST have all food packages labelled in the French
> >language, l'office de la langue francaise says it has reached an
> >agreement with the local office of THE CANADIAN JEWISH CONGRESS.
> >

> >JEWS can now legally break the law for 40 days before, and 20 days after
> >Passover.
> >

> >So much for equality of law, as far as JEWS are concerned.
> >

> >And they wonder why people despise JEWS. It's because they arrange to

> >break laws, that's why.
> >

acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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Why should the JEWS get special treatment from normal people?

Any food importer bringing packagaed food into Canada, must have labels=20
in both national languages, so why should JEWS not have to obey the laws=20
in Quebec?Just because they are JEWS they can break laws for everyone else?

On Tue, 27 Aug 1996 da...@vax2.concordia.ca wrote:

> > >Canadian Press reports today that Jews in Quebec, Canada may now avoid=
=20


> > >the food labelling laws, requiring that labelling be in French.
> > >

> > >While Christians MUST have all food packages labelled in the French=20
> > >language, l'office de la langue francaise says it has reached an=20


> > >agreement with the local office of THE CANADIAN JEWISH CONGRESS.
> > >

> > >JEWS can now legally break the law for 40 days before, and 20 days aft=
er=20


> > >Passover.
> > >
> > >So much for equality of law, as far as JEWS are concerned.
> > >

> > >And they wonder why people despise JEWS. It's because they arrange to=
=20


> > >break laws, that's why.

> > =20
> > If you produced this food for the U.S. and exported it to Canada for on=
ly 60=20
> > days during the year, would you be willing to pay the extra money to pr=
int=20
> > bilingual packages, or would you simply say "fuck Canada" ?=20


> In response to the argument that

> allowed enlgish labels on Passover products is the result of collusion be=
tween
> the CJC and the Office de la Langue Francais, keep in mind that Quebec ha=


s had
> a consistant antisemitic track record ever since Jews first began

> settling the province.=20

acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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I guess the Jews, who buy the KOSHER foods, with the KOSHER TAX labels on
them are buying from trefe manufacturers, at the supposed holiest time of
the year for Jews?

Sounds like the Jew Grynspan must be suffering from either the DT's or
senility, or perhaps both.

Why should JEWS be exempt from the labeling laws of Quebec, just because
they are JEWS?

Chinese and other ethnic groups must label their products in accordance
with the consumer laws of Canada, so why shouldn't JEWS have to obey the
laws of Quebec?

And, his comments that non-Jews are benefitting from the sale of KOSHER
products for Passover, must be a real insult to all the JEWS who own the
factories producing the so-called Kosher products, complete with the
KOSHER TAX STAMPS on them.

On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, Alec Grynspan wrote:

> > JEWS can now legally break the law for 40 days before, and 20 days after
> > Passover.
>
> "Legally break the law?"
>
> Is that like going up the down direction?
>

> Since these are foodstuffs that don't normally need any kosher label
> (only during Passover) and/or since these foodstuffs are made by
> companies that don't have the special exceptions granted to ethnic food
> producers - in other words they are not Jewish-owned companies - a
> special exception is needed.
>

Ken McVay OBC

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In article <32232...@gryn.org>, Alec Grynspan <al...@gryn.org> wrote:

>acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca (William Gruber-Grosvenor) wrote:

>> JEWS can now legally break the law for 40 days before, and 20 days after
>> Passover.

>"Legally break the law?"

You forget who you are dealing with, Sir.

>Is that like going up the down direction?

You forget who you are dealing with, Sir.

[snip]

>So what we have here is someone objecting to non-Jews making a profit
>off Jews - and blaming the Jews for making it possible.

>He must have been dropped on his head a few times as an infant.

I rest my case.

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/g/grosvenor-william/

acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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Why, isn't it the appropriate place for a news item, indirectly referring
to the KOSHER TAX?

Rich Graves

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Yves Bérubé writes:
>If you produced this food for the U.S. and exported it to Canada for only 60
>days during the year, would you be willing to pay the extra money to print
>bilingual packages, or would you simply say "fuck Canada" ?

Oh, we yanks say that all the time anyway, don't you know. :-)

>The charter of the human right specify that you have the fundamental right of
>religion... How can practice your religion if you can't get what you need for
>your rites because of some restrictive law ?

Well, they should convert! Just like they did during the Spanish
Inquisition.

By the way, the nym that initiated this thread is documented at:

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/grosvenor-william/

Followups redirected.

-rich

Rich Graves

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acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca writes:
>Why should the JEWS get special treatment from normal people?

What an odd question.

Normal people don't give Jews "special treatment." "Special treatment" is
only accorded them by your buddies.

-rich

CABLE OR The Dish

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On Tue, 27 Aug 1996 12:38:43 -0400, da...@vax2.concordia.ca wrote:


Have have deleted all of your stuff.


Please, Bring me up to date.

CABLE OR The Dish

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On Tue, 27 Aug 1996 07:49:44 -0600, acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
wrote:

>Canadian Press reports today that Jews in Quebec, Canada may now avoid

>the food labelling laws, requiring that labelling be in French.
>
>While Christians MUST have all food packages labelled in the French

>language, l'office de la langue francaise says it has reached an That


>agreement with the local office of THE CANADIAN JEWISH CONGRESS.
>

>JEWS can now legally break the law for 40 days before, and 20 days after
>Passover.
>

>So much for equality of law, as far as JEWS are concerned.
>

>And they wonder why people despise JEWS. It's because they artrange to

>break laws, that's why.
>
>
>

That's all. Ha...Ha... Ha...Ha... Ha...Ha... Ha...Ha... Ha...Ha...

Ho boy, do I get a laugh out of this....!

Bosse Dominique

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acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca writes:

>Where is the humour in the news story, about JEWS again being able to
>break sovereign laws?

Hee hee hee! You don't get it? The laugh
is about you trying to trigger an antisemitic
response with you big fat troll.

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Alec Grynspan

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acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
>
> Why, isn't it the appropriate place for a news item, indirectly referring
> to the KOSHER TAX?
>

Ahhhh, yes! The "Kosher Tax" which every person with more than 2 brain
cells knows is nonexistent.

I understand that it's a favorite posting item for rabbit-fetishists.

Ken McVay OBC

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In article <32244F...@gryn.org>, Alec Grynspan <al...@gryn.org> wrote:

>acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca (William Grosvenor) wrote:

>> Why, isn't it the appropriate place for a news item, indirectly referring
>> to the KOSHER TAX?

>Ahhhh, yes! The "Kosher Tax" which every person with more than 2 brain
>cells knows is nonexistent.

I rest my case - this is, after, Willy Grosvenor we're talking
about, eh?

acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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Where is the humour in the news story, about JEWS again being able to
break sovereign laws?

On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, CABLE OR The Dish wrote:

Tim Nye

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In article <32232...@gryn.org> Alec Grynspan <al...@gryn.org> writes:
>acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote: (really WILLIAM GROSVENOR)

>>
>> JEWS can now legally break the law for 40 days before, and 20 days after
>> Passover.

>So what we have here is someone objecting to non-Jews making a profit


>off Jews - and blaming the Jews for making it possible.

>He must have been dropped on his head a few times as an infant.

Funny you should mention his childhood. The evidence points to Mr.
Grosvenor (changed from Gruber) having been born in Germany in 1939. He's
refused, or been too ashamed, to tell us whether he was a member of the
Hitler Youth.

Imagine the colossal irony, however, if it turned out that William Grosvenor
is really an orphaned Jew. My, wouldn't that be a twist of fate?

Tim

[More details on William Grosvenor's past can be found at:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/grosvenor.william
Look especially in the file "background-grosvenor". It contains the answers
to questions such as which psychiatric hospital Mr. Grosvenor was diagnosed
at, and why Forbes magazine has called him a "roving fruitcake".]


Alec Grynspan

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<*[*] [*] [acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: JEWS TO AVOID CHRISTIAN LABEL LAWS] [Tuesday August 27 1996
20:41][*][0]*>

a> I guess the Jews, who buy the KOSHER foods, with the KOSHER TAX
a> labels on them are buying from trefe manufacturers, at the
a> supposed holiest time of the year for Jews?

1. There is no such thing as a Kosher tax. The last time that such a
thing existed, it was non-Jews imposing the tax on Jews.

2. The religion of the manufacturer is inconsequential and the last
time I checked, *ALL* manufacturers were traif. Your
cannibalistic tendencies are noted.

The only thing important about Kosher food is that it is Kosher,
not who prepares it.

3. The holiest time of the year is in the fall, during Rosh Hashonna
and Yom Kippur.

a> Sounds like the Jew Grynspan must be suffering from either the
a> DT's or senility, or perhaps both.

It looks like the dickwad Grosvenor is rather stupid.

a> Why should JEWS be exempt from the labeling laws of Quebec, just
a> because they are JEWS?

They are not exempt, stupid - it's the non-Jewish manufacturers who
need the exemption!

a> Chinese and other ethnic groups must label their products in
a> accordance with the consumer laws of Canada, so why shouldn't
a> JEWS have to obey the laws of Quebec?

Which includes ethnic labelling if the firm is primarily a
manufacturer of ethnic goods or exports these goods.

Since I'm an expatriate Quebecer, I have a bit of knowledge of the
language laws.

You can go into any Chinese grocery store in Quebec and find goods
manufactured in Quebec with Chinese labels. I used to shop at the
one on La Gauchetiere and can say so with confidence.

Since the manufacturers in question happen to be non-ethnic, they
are out of luck, which means that the goods would have to be
imported from outside. Since these goods include such things as
milk, that becomes difficult.

Since there are very few (as in no) Jewish-only dairies, it means
that money leaves Quebec, non-Jewish Dairy owners don't get a chance
to make a few extra dollars - and you complain about how Jews
deliberately import their milk at the expense of local farmers.

a> And, his comments that non-Jews are benefitting from the sale of
a> KOSHER products for Passover, must be a real insult to all the
a> JEWS who own the factories producing the so-called Kosher
a> products, complete with the KOSHER TAX STAMPS on them.

"So-called Kosher" is non-existent. It is Kosher or non-Kosher.

As for Kosher Tax Stamps, there is no such thing - proven several
times over. Only people with fetishes for dog-turds believe
otherwise.

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Bosse Dominique

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Quebecers will not bite.
No antisemitism for us.

Ciao! troller!

--

Charles R.L. Power

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acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca writes:

>Canadian Press reports today that Jews in Quebec, Canada may now avoid
>the food labelling laws, requiring that labelling be in French.

>While Christians MUST have all food packages labelled in the French
>language, l'office de la langue francaise says it has reached an

>agreement with the local office of THE CANADIAN JEWISH CONGRESS.

>JEWS can now legally break the law for 40 days before, and 20 days after
>Passover.

There is no such thing as "legally break the law", you anonymoid moron.
They arranged a legal exception to the law. Amazing how worked up some
folks can get over trivialities. (If you had a brain, you'd realize that
the law was passed to prevent the intrusion of English. A few foods
labelled in Hebrew pose no threat to the hegemony of French in Quebec.)

When are you going after the American Indians for their legal use of
peyote? Same principle.


acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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It seems that the JEWS in Quebec, apart from arranging outside support
for the referendum last year, now openly are arranging to break the
language laws of the sovereign province of Quebec.

In other parts of Canada, imported food must have labelling in both
official languages, even when imported from Europe, according to the
regulations of Industry Canada.

Why should JEWS importing food into Quebec, bexempt from the laws of

Quebec, just because they are JEWS?

Why are not English speaking Christians of Quebec also allowed to import
foods into Quebec, without the French labels?

Did some legislators receive threats, or promises, to allow JEWS special
treatment?

Why are the non-JEWS of Quebec so silent about this outrage?

If you are in Quebec, let us know how you feel about the preferntial
treatment for JEWS!!!!

Kate McDonnell

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acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:

: If you are in Quebec, let us know how you feel about the preferntial
: treatment for JEWS!!!!

i live in Quebec and i think it's JUST DANDY!!


Kate

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Matt Giwer

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On 27 Aug 1996 16:01:24 GMT, Yves Bérubé wrote:

>In article <Pine.A32.3.91.960827...@freenet.edmonton.ab.c,
>acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca writes:

>>Canadian Press reports today that Jews in Quebec, Canada may now avoid
>>the food labelling laws, requiring that labelling be in French.
>>
>>While Christians MUST have all food packages labelled in the French
>>language, l'office de la langue francaise says it has reached an
>>agreement with the local office of THE CANADIAN JEWISH CONGRESS.
>>
>>JEWS can now legally break the law for 40 days before, and 20 days after
>>Passover.
>>

>>So much for equality of law, as far as JEWS are concerned.
>>
>>And they wonder why people despise JEWS. It's because they artrange to
>>break laws, that's why.
>>

>Come on... If Christians had special holiday where they needed speciality food
>that is usually unavailable in Canada (which is the case for Kosher for
>passover food), they would also be allowed to "break the law". You are
>comparing apple and oranges here!
>

>If you produced this food for the U.S. and exported it to Canada for only 60
>days during the year, would you be willing to pay the extra money to print
>bilingual packages, or would you simply say "fuck Canada" ?
>

>The charter of the human right specify that you have the fundamental right of
>religion... How can practice your religion if you can't get what you need for
>your rites because of some restrictive law ?
>

>Somehow, I have a feeling you are a member of the Reform party, right ?

Crap!

What about people who need sacrificial virgins for their rites?

Do they get dispensations from the law?

We pray for one last landing on the world that gave us birth
To rest our eyes on the fleecy skies and the cool green hills of earth


U...@outofit.net

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On Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:21:03 -0600, acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
spewed crap as usual

>It seems that the JEWS in Quebec, apart from arranging outside support

snip<typical heritage front spam> right K gorden,
Madame Giverandtakethaway and
st j of Lauzon?

Mr Grossoutner,
Humm, why don't you paste a stamp on your empty head(alt.stamps),
build a bomb (alt.crime) and lock what's left of your sorry drug
crazed homophobic brain in a box(alt.soc canada) and mail it to South
Africa (alt.south africa). Post the address in the language of your
choice (alt.revisionism) Then complain that the post office is full of
commies(alt.conspiracy) and pretend you never happened! (alt.ernst
zundlel)

Yves_Bérubé

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In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.960827...@general2.asu.edu>, Neil
<ne...@imap1.asu.edu> writes:

>
>Well duh. It's obviously because the American media is controlled by
>federalist Jews from Montreal.
>
>Neil

Interesting conspiracy theory... Did you talk to Oliver Stone about it ? It
might make an interesting movie :)

Ken Lewis

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On Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:21:03 -0600, acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
wrote:

>It seems that the JEWS in Quebec, apart from arranging outside support

>for the referendum last year, now openly are arranging to break the
>language laws of the sovereign province of Quebec.

How can you break a law when there is a specific exemption from the
law in the instance about which you are speaking?

You may possibly be the most stupid individual I have ever run across
in my wanderings on the Internet (and that is saying alot).

Hang in there, fruitcake, there may be help for you. They may yet
perfect a procedure for regenerating brain cells.

Tim Nye

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Thought all you Grosvenor fans out there might get a kick out of this post
from William Grosvenor.

Quite a surprising amount of emotion for a happily married man, don't you
think? Especially considering his wife *already* owns the house he lives
in. (This and more details on the man we all know and love on the web at:

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/grosvenor.william

Look especially in the file "background-grosvenor".)

I wonder if she knows how he's throwing around the term "FEMINAZI"...

Tim
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From: acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Newsgroups: alt.dads-rights
Subject: FEMINAZIS LOSE AGAIN
Date: 28 Aug 1996 08:18:27 -0700
Organization: Software Alberta Society, Edmonton, Canada
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960828...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca>

Here in Alberta Canada, the government shot down the proposed Bill 214
last week, proposed by the fembos.

This legislation, had it been passed, would have enabled a scrag, on the
unsubstantiated allegation of a female to a judge, to STEAL all the
assets of the man.

He could have lost his home, his car, his bank accounts, his credit
cards, as well as being garnisheed into bankruptcy.

All this on the unsubstantiated allegation of the feminazi, no, not for
serious aassault or similar proven crime, BUT SOLELY ON AN ALLEGATION,
which could have been regarding verbal criticism by the man of a friend
of the feminazi!!!!

Fortunately, the government saw the pitfalls, and shelved the proposed
legislation.


Men, if you fail to act to protect what few rights remain, you will then
deserve to be the cash wallets for the feminazis!!!

Be ever vigilant, and fight for your rights, and those of a normal family.

Tim Nye

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In article <Pine.A32.3.91.960829...@freenet.edmonton.ab.

ca> acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca (really WILLIAM GROSVENOR) writes:

>It seems that the JEWS in Quebec, apart from arranging outside support
>for the referendum last year, now openly are arranging to break the
>language laws of the sovereign province of Quebec.

>If you are in Quebec, let us know how you feel about the preferntial
>treatment for JEWS!!!!

Hmmm. William Grosvenor sticking up for Sovereignty in Quebec. Let's
review some of his past writings on Quebec, shall we?

Tim

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Subject: TRAVEL ADVISORY - QUEBEC CANADA
From: acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca ()
Date: 1995/10/31
Message-Id: <4766gb$h...@news.sas.ab.ca>
Organization: Edmonton Freenet, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Newsgroups: rec.travel.misc

In view of last night's riots in Montreal,and the comments of M.Parizeau
regarding Jews and natives,responsible travellers should seriously
consider whether it is safe for non-frenchies in Quebec.

Obviously the US Government was concerned enough to comment on the
separation referendum.

A few years ago,the communist Canadian Government had to declare Martial
Law under the War Measures Act in Quebec,and we will probably see it
reinstated soon.

Have you people already forgotten the shootings at OKA,where the natives
held the Quebec police.military,and the Canadian Army at bay for months?

If you must visit Quebec,be sure to bring your flak jacket.Guns for
self-protection are not allowed in communist Canada,since our government
wants only criminals and natives to have weapons.

In other words,much of Canada is no longer safe for foreigners who do not
speak with a Quebec French patois.

--

William Grosvenor e-mail: acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
9208 - 137 Avenue or: acu...@mail.compusmart.ab.ca
REDMONTON - Alberta
CANADA T5E 1Y5 phone: 403-475-5555

INTERNATIONAL LINKS PROMOTE TRADE AND PEACE

Subject: HOW SAFE IS QUEBEC?
From: acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca ()
Date: 1995/11/02
Message-Id: <479643$k...@news.sas.ab.ca>
Organization: Edmonton Freenet, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Newsgroups: can.general

TV in Canada on Monday and Tuesday showed scenes of the riots in Montreal
after the frenchies lost the referendum vote.

Will the Canadian Army now go in,as they did during the so-called FLQ
Crisis,to impose Martial Law under the War Measures Act?

Perhaps all of you who are concerned,should be warning the rest of the
world,by sending warning notices to all the TRAVEL NEWSGROUPS,so that
foreigners will realise that for non-frenchies,Quebec is now just like
Jugoslavia.

All the travel groups can use a bit of livening up,apart from their usual
notes about every business offereing the lowest price,and such....

--

William Grosvenor e-mail: acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
9208 - 137 Avenue or: acu...@mail.compusmart.ab.ca
REDMONTON - Alberta
CANADA T5E 1Y5 phone: 403-475-5555

INTERNATIONAL LINKS PROMOTE TRADE AND PEACE

Subject: HOW SAFE IS QUEBEC-MARTIAL LAW AGAIN?
From: acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca ()
Date: 1995/11/05
Message-Id: <47j86h$j...@news.sas.ab.ca>
Organization: Edmonton Freenet, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Newsgroups: rec.travel.usa-Canada

A few years ago,the Canadian Army invaded Quebec,when the separatists
were agitating for their independence.They used the War Measures Act to
declare Martial Law,supposedly to protect the public.

Following the riots last week,does anyone know whether what's left of the
Canadian Army will again be invading Quebec,to protect tourists and
non-frenchies?

Here in western Canada we wished that Quebec had separated,so that we
also could have left communist Canada,thereby lowering our taxes by more
than half!!We could even have applied to join the free-enterprise
USA,with all the benefits!!!

--

William Grosvenor e-mail: acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
9208 - 137 Avenue or: acu...@mail.compusmart.ab.ca
REDMONTON - Alberta
CANADA T5E 1Y5 phone: 403-475-5555

INTERNATIONAL LINKS PROMOTE TRADE AND PEACE

Subject: HOW SAFE IS QUEBEC-MARTIAL LAW AGAIN?
From: acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca ()
Date: 1995/11/05
Message-Id: <47j7bl$j...@news.sas.ab.ca>
Organization: Edmonton Freenet, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Newsgroups: rec.travel.misc

A few years ago,the Canadian Army,under the WAR MEASURES ACT,invaded
Quebec,supposedly to protect the public against the separatists.

Is the Canadian Army again going into Quebec,now that half the population
wants to separate from communist Canada?

Can anyone in the army let us know what is going on,apart from the riots
shown on TV?

--

William Grosvenor e-mail: acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
9208 - 137 Avenue or: acu...@mail.compusmart.ab.ca
REDMONTON - Alberta
CANADA T5E 1Y5 phone: 403-475-5555

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Subject: CRETIN KISSES ASS FOR QUEBEC/NATIVES
From: acu...@fn1.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca ()
Date: 1995/11/29
Message-Id: <49gioe$l...@news.sas.ab.ca>
Organization: Edmonton Freenet, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Newsgroups: can.general

Cretin is kissing the asses of the frogs in Quebec,and also those of the
native homelands.

Why did he not assess against the Quebecers for the fact that they also
have allowed private medical clinics to charge patients service fees? Is
he getting paid off by Morgentaler and the like,so that he doesn't
collect millions from Quebec,like his is crewing Alberta?

Now that he is giving DISTINCT SOCIETY status to the frogs and
natives,why not also for ALBERTA? We are so distinct,that we are fed up
paying hundreds of millions just for the parasites of Quebec.That makes
us distinct,as well as stupid for allowing them to keep on ripping us off!!!

--

William Grosvenor e-mail: acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
9208 - 137 Avenue or: acu...@compusmart.ab.ca
REDMONTON - Alberta
CANADA T5E 1Y5 phone: 403-475-5555

INTERNATIONAL LINKS PROMOTE TRADE AND PEACE


Subject: Re: HELP THE QUEBEC FLOODING DISASTER!!
From: acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Date: 1996/07/25
Message-Id: <Pine.A32.3.91.960725...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca>


Organization: Software Alberta Society, Edmonton, Canada

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carleton.general,can.schoolnet.chat,can.schoolnet,tor.news,tor.journalism,tor.general,qc.general,ott.general,ont.singles,ont.general,mtl.general,hookup.general,eye.general,can.uucp,can.talk,can.politics,can.org.misc,can.org,can.gov.general,can.general,can


Let the damn frogs either sink or swim, in their own puridity.

They wanted to separate,let them,and then they can payy all their bills,
themselves.

No pity for the damn separatists.Let them separate,float away, or whatever.
Not one more penny in tribute,paymanet or otherwise,until they
permanently get rid of all separatists,and pay back to western Canada all
that they have stolen from us.


Subject: Re: CBC
From: acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Date: 1996/07/31
Message-Id: <Pine.A32.3.91.960731...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca>


Organization: Software Alberta Society, Edmonton, Canada

Newsgroups: can.politics,ont.general,ab.politics,bc.politics,

To hell with the frog networks.If the frogs want one,let THEM pay for it.


Bernie Farber

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>
>
>>On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, CABLE OR The Dish wrote:
>
>>> On Tue, 27 Aug 1996 07:49:44 -0600, acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Canadian Press reports today that Jews in Quebec, Canada may now avoid
>>> >the food labelling laws, requiring that labelling be in French.
>>> >
>>> >While Christians MUST have all food packages labelled in the French
>>> >language, l'office de la langue francaise says it has reached an That

>>> >agreement with the local office of THE CANADIAN JEWISH CONGRESS.
>>> >
>>> >JEWS can now legally break the law for 40 days before, and 20 days after
>>> >Passover.
>>> >
>>> >So much for equality of law, as far as JEWS are concerned.
>>> >
>>> >And they wonder why people despise JEWS. It's because they artrange to
>>> >break laws, that's why.
>>>
>>> That's all. Ha...Ha... Ha...Ha... Ha...Ha... Ha...Ha... Ha...Ha...
>>> Ho boy, do I get a laugh out of this....!

Bernie Faber responds:

What nonsense! In fact a LEGAL agreement was reached with the Quebec government which
respects religious pluralism. Any attempt to suggest ulterior motives is (pardon the unkosher pun)
"hogwash".

gh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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Tim Nye (TJ...@MANSCI.watstar.uwaterloo.ca) wrote:
: Thought all you Grosvenor fans out there might get a kick out of this post
: from William Grosvenor.

: Quite a surprising amount of emotion for a happily married man, don't you
: think? Especially considering his wife *already* owns the house he lives
: in. (This and more details on the man we all know and love on the web at:

Maybe she cut him off, and now he's POed. :-)

: http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/grosvenor.william

Ken has some interesting stuff there.

: Look especially in the file "background-grosvenor".)

I went, I saw, I puked.

: I wonder if she knows how he's throwing around the term "FEMINAZI"...

Could it be that he doesn't let her near the computer?

--
email: gh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
WWW: http://www.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~ghoti/walt.htm


acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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Thanks for giving extra publicity. One wonders, who is your ghostwrite?
Perhaps Prof. Dilts will find out and let us all know.


For the information of non-cretins,it is prudent judgement-proofing to
have assets in other than one's own name, just in case.

On Thu, 29 Aug 1996, Tim Nye wrote:

> Thought all you Grosvenor fans out there might get a kick out of this post
> from William Grosvenor.
>
> Quite a surprising amount of emotion for a happily married man, don't you
> think? Especially considering his wife *already* owns the house he lives

> in?

Ken McVay OBC

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In article <TJNYE.183...@MANSCI.watstar.uwaterloo.ca>,
TJ...@MANSCI.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Tim Nye) wrote:

>Thought all you Grosvenor fans out there might get a kick out of this post
>from William Grosvenor.

[...]

>From: acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
>Newsgroups: alt.dads-rights
>Subject: FEMINAZIS LOSE AGAIN
>Date: 28 Aug 1996 08:18:27 -0700

[Mr. Grosvenor says]

>All this on the unsubstantiated allegation of the feminazi, no, not for
>serious aassault or similar proven crime, BUT SOLELY ON AN ALLEGATION,
>which could have been regarding verbal criticism by the man of a friend
>of the feminazi!!!!

Whoops! William Gruber-Grosvenor complained about allegations
being carelessly thrown around?

Tim, the next time you do this, please add the COFFEE ALERT
first, so I won't have to wipe off my keyboards again.

While we're all here, laughing it Mr. Growsvenor....

Archive/File: people/g/grosvenor.william/gruber-10q
Last-Modified: 1996/06/21

Mr. "Grosvenor,"

It would be unfair to label you as either a liar or
an irrational hater of Jews without offering you the
opportunity to explain the distortions and errors noted below.

As I am certain you are a busy chap, I will republish these
questions on a regular basis, in order to provide you with
ample time to deal with the issues raised. I will also add to
them, in the event you continue to publish similarly
misleading material.

Question 1
----------

On May 13, 1996, you made the statement:

"Mind you,they do support the Jew Morgentaler and his murder
of unborn babies at his abortionariums." (Grosvenor,
Jews for Faggots)

Question 1 is a two-parter:

1. What proof do you offer that this doctor is Jewish?
2. What difference would it make if he were?

Question 2
----------

In May of 1996, you, Sir, made the following statements:

"In Alberta Canada Senator Ghitter,together with Bnai Brith
and other jewish groups are openly supporting special rights
for faggots and for more powers for the socalled human
rights commission." (Grosvenor, Jews for Faggots)

and...

"If you feel that faggots should not get special rights
at the expense of your dollars and those of all normal humans,
then join AFL - ANTI-FAGGOT LEAGUE." (Grosvenor, Support AFL)

and...

"I feel that they should NOT GET SPECIAL RIGHTS,even if the
faggot loving Canadian government wants to give them."
(Grosvenor, Faggots Spread)

and...

"Here in Alberta Senator Ghitter and the Bnai Brith are
supporting the faggots and lesbians. The groups want the Alberta
government to give special rights to the perverts,presumably as
one more attempt to destroy the traditional family."
(Grosvenor, Why Are Jews)

The question, Mr. "Grosvenor," is why you have lied about
B'nai Brith and others, who have not called upon the
government to "give special rights" to gays and/or
lesbians?

Question 3
----------

On May 30, 1996, you posted the following article to an
Internet topical discussion group:

"Canadian news media report that the subject of the KOSHER
TAX is again under investigation by Revenue Canada Taxation.

"The story on the business page, states that many manufacturers,
such as for Saran Wrap, sanka Coffee,Mr.Clean, etc. must pay
extra fees to rabbis to have their products declared kosher.

"This extra cost is then passed on to every customer.

"Some people have been trying to claim the extra $300 per person
per year as a so-called charitable donation on their tax returns.
The tax department has disallowed this fraud, since no willing
charitable donation was given, nor a receipt provided.

"Apparently some non-Jews tried to claim this,and are now very
angry at being disallowed. To add insult to injury, they had no
choice in the costs of their purchases, since the extra costs
paid to the rabbis is buried in the total costs."
(Grosvenor, Kosher Tax)

Here is the ACTUAL text of the article you cited:

"Tall tax tale isn't kosher"

"Kosher Question: Can I claim a $300 kosher tax deduction for
buying Saran Wrap, Mr. Clean, Sanka and other products that
have been blessed by rabbis and identified by secret symbols?

"Answer: No. This old and vicious rumour is based on anti-Semitic
scapegoating that tries to blame Jews for higher prices - to pay
the rabbis - then claims Jews are the only ones who know the
secret symbols and claim the kosher deduction. It's all false."
(Chalmers, Ron. Edmonton Journal, Business section, "Money
Matters," front page, May 29, 1996)

The question, of course, is why you misrepresented (to be
kind) the contents of this article?

Followups directed to can.general

[Work cited section follows]

Work Cited

Grosvenor, William. UseNet can.general,tor.general,ab.general,
van.general,mtl.general,ott.general,edm.general,
Subject: "Support AFL - ANTI FAGGOT LEAGUE," May 6, 1996,
Message-ID: 318D41...@compusmart.ab.ca, archived in
(one line) http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/grosvenor.william/1996/grosvenor.0596

------------------. Usenet alt.revisionism. Subject: "Jews for
Faggots in Alberta," May 13, 1996. Message-Id: 4n7r5c$h...@news.sas.ab.ca
archived in (one line) http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/grosvenor.william/1996/grosvenor.0596

------------------. UseNet edm.general,ab.general,can.general,
tor.general,alt.revisionism,van.general,calgary.general,
Subject: "FAGGOTS SPREAD AIDS-WHY PROTECT THEM?," May 15, 1996,
Message-ID: 3198F7...@compusmart.ab.ca, archived in
(one line) http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/grosvenor.william/1996/grosvenor.0596

------------------. UseNet ab.general,can.general,alt.revisionism,
tor.general,calgary.general,van.general, Subject: "Why are Jews
Supporting Faggots?," May 15 1996, Message-ID:
319986...@compusmart.ab.ca, archived in
(one line) http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/grosvenor.william/1996/grosvenor.0596

------------------. UseNet alt.revisionism, Subject: "KOSHER TAX
in Canada," May 30, 1996, Message-ID:
Pine.SUN.3.93.960530...@voyager.cris.com,
archived within
(one line) http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/grosvenor.william/1996/grosvenor.0596

Rajiv K. Gandhi

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In article
<Pine.A32.3.91.960831080...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca>,
acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:

[snip]

> For the information of non-cretins,it is prudent judgement-proofing to
> have assets in other than one's own name, just in case.

[snip]

Of course you are wrong here. Putting an asset in the name of another, or
having an asset in the name of another is hardly sufficient to prevent
attachment either on a pre-judgement or a post judgement basis.

acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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For your information, it is completely legal, and judgement proof under
the laws of Canada.

I learned this from all the prominent Jews who had huge bankruptcies, but
managed to keep assets from creditors.

Hope this helps some of the rest of you considering sheltering assets
from creditors, of any persuasion.

On Sat, 31 Aug 1996, Rajiv K. Gandhi wrote:

> (A copy of this message has also been posted to the following newsgroups:
> alt.revisionism,
> can.general,mtl.general,quebec.general,ab.general,edm.general,bc.general)

Jim Jaworski

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--
Winnipeg MB Canada j...@draco.bison.mb.ca
TEAM OS/2

theL...@home.net

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On Sat, 31 Aug 1996 19:52:58 -0600, acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
wrote:

Grosvenor should win the KOOK of the month award.
From now on you should be known as " The KOOK Grosvenor".
Here is a proper discription of the KOOK Grosvenor............
VILE

vile\'v£(a)l\adjvil·er\'v£-lwr\vil·est\-lwst\[ME, fr. OF vil,fr.
L vilis](14c)
1 a : morally despicable or abhorrent <nothing is so as intellectual
dishonesty>
b : physically repulsive : FOUL <a ~ slum>
2 : of little worth or account : COMMON; also : MEAN
3 : tending to degrade <~employments>
4 : disgustingly or utterly bad : OBNOXIOUS, CONTEMPTIBLE

ps
Don't blame me, I got this from a third party (eg: a real book with
actual words known as a dictionary)

jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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Organization: Edmonton FreeNet, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Distribution:

acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:

: For the information of non-cretins,it is prudent judgement-proofing to

: have assets in other than one's own name, just in case.

You are lying to us. Maybe we ought to let your wife know what's going on.

--
-Jason Kodish

It is a sad day when one who opposes the ever looming power of the State
is called an anarchist. When it becomes politically incorrect to believe
in such basic precepts such as freedom of choice. It is my belief that
those who do not defend their rights deserve to lose them...-Me.

jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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Distribution:

Everyone is laughing at you, Grosswiener. We realize that you are not the
upstanding citizen you claim to be, but rather a loon, and an ex-con.
Please save yourself from further embarrassment by keeping your mouth closed.
You look like a fool here.

David Reilley

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>acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:

>: For the information of non-cretins,it is prudent judgement-proofing to
>: have assets in other than one's own name, just in case.


Just in case what???

I don't know anybody who organizes their life around the expectatin they will
be sued, but then again I don't know anybody quite a crazy as this little Nazi.

Rajiv K. Gandhi

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In article
<Pine.A32.3.91.960831...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca>,
acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:

> For your information, it is completely legal, and judgement proof under
> the laws of Canada.

Nope. In Canada, case law clearly establishes that this is no barrier to
judgement. Irrespective of the fact that an asset may be kept by a third
party, if the intent is to clearly avoid a creditor or a potential
creditor, the courts will often nullify a sale, or in the alternative hold
that a constructive trust exists by which the asset in question may be
seized or attached.

> I learned this from all the prominent Jews who had huge bankruptcies, but
> managed to keep assets from creditors.

Examples please.

> Hope this helps some of the rest of you considering sheltering assets
> from creditors, of any persuasion.

No lawyer worth his/her salt would advise you to do this.

> On Sat, 31 Aug 1996, Rajiv K. Gandhi wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <Pine.A32.3.91.960831080...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca>,
> > acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> >

> > > For the information of non-cretins,it is prudent judgement-proofing to
> > > have assets in other than one's own name, just in case.
> >

acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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Sorry, but you have been misinformed.

I have successfully used this, legally, in connection with lawsuits
involving the Jewish Ghermezians.

On Sun, 1 Sep 1996, Rajiv K. Gandhi wrote:

> > For your information, it is completely legal, and judgement proof under
> > the laws of Canada.
>
> Nope. In Canada, case law clearly establishes that this is no barrier to
> judgement. Irrespective of the fact that an asset may be kept by a third
> party, if the intent is to clearly avoid a creditor or a potential
> creditor, the courts will often nullify a sale, or in the alternative hold
> that a constructive trust exists by which the asset in question may be
> seized or attached.
>
> > I learned this from all the prominent Jews who had huge bankruptcies, but
> > managed to keep assets from creditors.
>

> > Hope this helps some of the rest of you considering sheltering assets
> > from creditors, of any persuasion.

> > > > For the information of non-cretins,it is prudent judgement-proofing to

Metalhead

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=20

On Thu, 29 Aug 1996 acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:

> Why should JEWS importing food into Quebec, bexempt from the laws of=20


> Quebec, just because they are JEWS?

No because they have made a request and under the Quebec Language Law it
is permissible.=20
Under several articles of the law it is permissible to have other
languages and even have french excluded (as is the case with this).

>=20
> Why are not English speaking Christians of Quebec also allowed to import=
=20


> foods into Quebec, without the French labels?
>

Of course they are! Under the same constraints as the Jewish Congress
agreement with L'office de la langue Fran=87ais.
- The foods must be unavailable in a French version
- and the food must be available for a very short period
- So common Christians of Quebec import all of the Fruit Cakes you can
for Xmas with English labelings only (deh!)
=20
> Did some legislators receive threats, or promises, to allow JEWS special=
=20
> treatment?

No Threats, promises are Christians domain!!!

>=20


> Why are the non-JEWS of Quebec so silent about this outrage?
>

What outrage, a group as been able to surcumvent <sp> the language law
you should be happy!
=20
> If you are in Quebec, let us know how you feel about the preferntial=20
> treatment for JEWS!!!!

No the Jewish population have not been given preferential treatment.
They made a request and the request was accepted, that's it.
=20
I personnaly don't care! I live in Quebec and I'm feed up with the
language debate.
I was a teen when 101 became law, I spoke french then and still do it
as not changed my life or anyones life that I know. The only thing it
has done is remove rights of a certain part of the population.
The french language as survived over 300 years in Quebec without a law,
a sign law in Quebec and it survived long before Canada ever became a
bilingual <sp> country (which I was a teen at that time too )
and I believe it will survive for as long as we are proud of who we are.
I am not proud of the Language Law in Quebec because in my eyes we are
doing the same thing to the minority language in Quebec that is being done
outside Quebec (BC is or was until recently looking at an English only law
on their Signs because of the current expansion of the Chinese population,=
=20
Manitoba had an English only law (until the Canadian Supreme Court over
turned it) and California is thinking about an English only law because
something like 50% of it's population is Spanish speaking).

As always thank you for reading my ramblings

Et merci a tous pour avoir lu mon lonnnnnnng discourt

Alex

Rajiv K. Gandhi

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I doubt that you have, but in any event you are grossly misinformed with
respect to the law. I'd suggest you read a book once in a while instead of
entertaining yourself with your anti-semetic (and also incorrect) rants.

For starters learn about the mareva injunction. Learn about something
called a consructive trust.

In article
<Pine.A32.3.91.960901093...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca>,

David Reilley

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In article <Pine.A32.3.91.960901093...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca writes:
>From: acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
>Subject: Re: ACUMEN/GROSVENOR: Difficulties on the Home Front?
>Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 09:35:36 -0600

>Sorry, but you have been misinformed.

>I have successfully used this, legally, in connection with lawsuits
>involving the Jewish Ghermezians.

I hope their lawyers are monitoring this little online confession.

Bernie Farber

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>
>> On Tue, 27 Aug 1996 07:49:44 -0600, acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Canadian Press reports today that Jews in Quebec, Canada may now avoid
>> >the food labelling laws, requiring that labelling be in French.
>> >
>> >While Christians MUST have all food packages labelled in the French
>> >language, l'office de la langue francaise says it has reached an That
>> >agreement with the local office of THE CANADIAN JEWISH CONGRESS.
>> >
>> >JEWS can now legally break the law for 40 days before, and 20 days after
>> >Passover.
>> >
>> >So much for equality of law, as far as JEWS are concerned.
>> >
>> >And they wonder why people despise JEWS. It's because they artrange to
>> >break laws, that's why.
>>
>> That's all. Ha...Ha... Ha...Ha... Ha...Ha... Ha...Ha... Ha...Ha...
>> Ho boy, do I get a laugh out of this....!

Bernie Farber responds:

Hey acumen why don't you get both a life and an education?

No one "arranged to break the laws" a legitamate understanding
was reached with the provincial government. Any other spin is
pure hatemongering (oops I forgot hatemongering IS your life!).

Tim Nye

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In article <Pine.A32.3.91.960901093...@freenet.edmonton.

ab.ca> acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca (really WILLIAM GROSVENOR) writes:

>Sorry, but you have been misinformed.

>I have successfully used this, legally, in connection with lawsuits
>involving the Jewish Ghermezians.

Hmmm. Let's see just how successful you've been in lawsuits involving the
Ghermezians.

[read more at http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/grosvenor.william
in the file "background-grosvenor".]

In the news story "Master of Malice: The Ghermezians put an end to Bill
Grosvenor's 'news tips'" [ALBERTA REPORT, July 3, 1989, Pg. 19-20. By Tom
Philip and Glenn Kubish], you were quoted as saying you would "to use all
means at my disposal anywhere in the world to put the Ghermezians out of
business."

And, in the story "Will wonders never cease?" [FORBES, September 4, 1989,
Pg. 72. By Joe Queenan], aside from calling you a "roving fruitcake" they
mentioned your publishing business:

Over the years, he has mailed or faxed damaging newspaper articles
about the Ghermezians all around the world, while distributing
stickers proclaiming: "Edmonton = Ghermezianville. Don't Invest
Here. Don't Even Visit Here."

Yet, since your public apology to them in late 1989, William Grosvenor has
not said one bad word about the Ghermezians. No "Ghermezianville" bumper
stickers. Nothing.

So what could turn William "I'll do anything to put the Jewish Ghermezians
out of business" Grosvenor into William "can I please kiss your lovely
Jewish behinds again" Grosvenor?

Obviously, it *can't* be the legal action against you, since William
Grosvenor has "successfully" decision-proofed himself against the
Ghermezians.

So what is it, Mr. Grosvenor, which has caused your lip-prints to be left
all over the Ghermezians' butts?

(BTW, last time I looked, the West Edmonton Mall, a Ghermezian development,
was still in business, as was the Mall of America, ...)

Tim

PS: Just *what* did you say about your wife's friends to get her to threaten
to throw you out?


Tim Nye

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>So what could turn William "I'll do anything to put the Jewish Ghermezians
>out of business" Grosvenor into William "can I please kiss your lovely
>Jewish behinds again" Grosvenor?

Oops. My mistake. This line:

William "can I please kiss your lovely Jewish behinds again" Grosvenor

should be:

William "MAY I please kiss your lovely Jewish behinds again" Grosvenor

>So what is it, Mr. Grosvenor, which has caused your lip-prints to be left
>all over the Ghermezians' butts?

You've been rather silent in response to this question, Mr. Grosvenor.
What's the matter? The wife shorten your leash? (Oh well, I guess that's
the price you have to pay to live under her roof, eh?)

Oh, BTW, does your wife know about this little cyber-indiscretion:
[Ken -- COFFEE ALERT!]

:Subject: Mature Ladies - correspond?
:From: william grosvenor <acu...@compusmart.ab.ca>
:Date: 1996/02/04
:Message-Id: <4f2nm6$b...@bert.compusmart.ab.ca>
:Newsgroups: soc.penpals
:
:56 year old, mature professional presently living in frozen northern
:Canada, invites correspondence either e-mail, or snail mail from mature
:ladies.
:
:Am not interested in marriage, but will consider alternatives,even in
:other countries.
:
:Age of lady from approximately 45 to ???? - should be reasonably
:attractive,even if not looking like a teenager,since I admit I do not
:look like Sean Connery.
:
:I can also correspond in German. Man kann mir sogar auf Deutsch
:schreiben.
:
:Looking forward to replies from interested,mature ladies.
:
:Bill.
:
:William Grosvenor, 9208 - 137 Avenue, REDMONTON - Alberta, CANADA T5E 1Y5

You *don't* look like Sean Connery? [Haw! Haw! Haw!]

Tim


acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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Actually Tim likes to show his ignorance. He must even have a ghostwriter
to prepare his work for Prof.Dilts at University of Waterloo,since he is
a stupid Jew, not a clever one.

Notice that he never discusses the topic, just files false data from some
Jewish collaborator, which is actually funny.

Imagine a 6 year old fighting to defend Berlin as a member of Hitler Youth.

But then, what can one expect from the group that arranged for the murder
of Christ?

On 7 Sep 1996, Jenocyde wrote:

> Tim, why are you obsessed with Grossweiner? It's
> not like people here don't know what a moron he
> is already, and whenever he opens his mouth,
> his idiocy is already on display. You're not his
> publicist, are you?
>
> Jenocyde
>
>
>

jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:

: Actually Tim likes to show his ignorance. He must even have a ghostwriter

: to prepare his work for Prof.Dilts at University of Waterloo,since he is
: a stupid Jew, not a clever one.

Tim seems pretty clever to me. After all, he's got you on the run. He's
exposed you for the criminal and thug you are.
Two good shots in my book.
Besides, Grosswiener, aren't you embarrassed enough? Why do you even
bother to open your fat and wide mouth here when everyone knows you're a
criminal, a parasite (using legal aid to defend your harrassment of
businessmen) and any number of other things.

: But then, what can one expect from the group that arranged for the murder
: of Christ?

I never arranged for the murder of anyone.
You lose again, nazi.
Go into a hole and shoot yourself like your cowardly furer.

acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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I guess it will soon be time for another lawsuit, this time against
codfish, or Kaddish as her prefers to be known.


Now that it has already had to apologise for attempting to libel one
businessman, this can and will be used as evidence in the trial.

That codfish may have no assets worth seizing will have no effect on the
lawsuit. Just ask his friend who was charged by the police after I filed
charges.

All your lies have been collated, Kaddish, and there are several criminal
charges being considered, including spreading false news, criminal libel,
and others.

Start checking with your Jewish lawyer friends, for your time will soon
be here. Just ask the Ghermezians what happens when we get to court,
since I presume you will bring them in as your character witnesses?


sbuc...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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There goes Mr. Grosvenor with threats of lawsuits again.

Carefull Bill, you might want to check out your own advice in regards to
anything that may be termed criminal. I wouldn't want to go public (I
wouldn't do it period) saying that you have successfully avoided a
judgement because you might have placed assets into third party hands. The
previous posts on this subject by the person referring to constructive
trusts should be re-read by you. This is made abundantly clear in one
Provincial statue I am very familiar with. It doesn't say that out right,
but is does point to the avoiding of property/accounts being seized by
virtue of certain actions which are taken to avoid that.

Also, while you rant and rave, I don't think you have any comprehension
of the legal terms you appear to be trying to use. "Criminal Libel?" I
thought all libel that is published is criminal. (I am not going to go
into the exceptions here few that they are). I will let you check the
appropriate printed area which defines this aspect. Wouldn't want to give
you any help to accomodate what I perceive as your off beat ideas.

Hey, maybe I will even bump into you some day, heven knows, I have had
the misfortune of hooking up with you on the telephone> Whewwwww!! and
yes - I did make public that you made certain defamatory statementsyou made
about a certain Internet hookup. Need I say more?

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Joel Rosenberg

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>Start checking with your Jewish lawyer friends, for your time will soon
>be here. Just ask the Ghermezians what happens when we get to court,

Do lets...

(From Nizkor, of course...)
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>That Mr. Grosvenor has been involved in some multi-million dollar
>lawsuits, but has not been the loser in such lawsuits, merely proves that
>he had the community's best interests at heart when he exposed the fact
>that one business in Edmonton had received $600 millions of taxpayer
>money.

Would Mr. Grosvenor care to name that business? Since he "has not been
the loser in such lawsuits", he must have nothing to fear by naming the
business. Would he also provide some verifiable source for the $600
million claim?

>In other words, Grosvenor has done you all a service, in openly warning
>you about serious risks in considering Canada for immigration. I am now
>looking at Australia or New Zealand instead.

The "service" provided by Grosvenor has been to demonstrate to the world
that Canada allows even unbalanced, hate-mongering immigrants like him to
roam around freely.

Below are three articles dealing with William (Bill) Grosvenor's history.
In them you will find that Bill Grosvenor

* is a convicted criminal,
* has been diagnosed with a paranoid psychological disorder,
* invariably has his claims proven untrue under examination.

Speaking of bogus claims, Bill Grosvenor has also claimed to be President
of the following companies as part of his "multinational group of
businesses":

* International Institute of Management, Inc.
* Grosvenor International Group
* Grosvenor Stamp Co.
* Unique Computer Distributing
* Northstar Travel

The first shows up in the 1996 Edmonton white pages phone directory, as
a small, single line entry giving no street address. Curiously, there
is no listing for William Grosvenor.

That name also shows up in the 1996 Edmonton yellow pages, under the
"Management Consultants" heading, again as a single line with no street
address.

None of the other "businesses" appear to have a phone.

Also, _none_ of these "businesses" were found in the following directories:

* 1996 Dunn and Bradstreet Canadian Key Business Directory
* 1995 Canadian Trade Index
* 1996 Infotel Canadian Business Directory
* 1995 Unitel Canadian Business Pages
* 1995 Canadian Fax Directory
* 1996 Industry Canada Directory of Canadian Trading Houses
* 1996 Industry Canada Directory of Canadian Management Consultants

It is probably worthwhile for anyone who has had dealings with Bill
Grosvenor to keep a copy of this information for future reference. It
looks like Bill's anti-Semitic, homophobic and racist writings have also
earned him a place in the Nizkor Project (an anti-hate site) on the web at:

http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/grosvenor.william

and this article will probably be archived there in the future.

Another curious component of Bill's behaviour is his recent retreat from
identifying himself on Usenet. His .sig used to contain his name, address
and phone number, but anymore he has been posting under the name WAHRHEIT
(German for "truth") with no other identification while pretending to be
a supporter of William Grosvenor. Too many people must be getting to know
who Bill Grosvenor really is.

Enjoy.........

//////////-----\\\\\\\\\\

"Will wonders never cease?", FORBES, September 4, 1989, Pg. 72. By Joe
Queenan

Grosvenor is a developer's worst nightmare: a roving fruitcake armed
with just enough ammunition to be taken seriously by a journalist from
out of town. Identifying himself as a management consultant, though he
will not divulge which managements require his consultation, Grosvenor
incessantly bombards journalists all over the U.S. and Canada with
torrid innuendo about the Ghermezians' connections, the sources of their
money and criminal investigations into their activities. Over the

years, he has mailed or faxed damaging newspaper articles about the
Ghermezians all around the world, while distributing stickers
proclaiming: "Edmonton = Ghermezianville. Don't Invest Here. Don't
Even Visit Here."

Grosvenor does make occasional forays into sanity when he rattles off
verifiable facts about the Ghermezians' financing problems (they
unsuccessfully attempted to repackage $ 486 million of their debt three
years ago). But this impression of lucidity evaporates when he starts
making dark suggestions about mysterious visits to Edmonton by Adnan
Khashoggi and Mario Cuomo, tosses in a few words about the Teamsters and
wraps it all up by insisting that Triple Five has "absolutely nothing to
do with the development of the Mall of America." Gee, Bill, if that
wasn't the Ghermezian brothers down there in Minnesota, who were those
four Iranian impostors?

Why does he do it? Grosvenor originally told FORBES that he had been
"swindled by Triple Five." But in a more recent conversation, he said,
"They got several lots rezoned so they could build a lousy strip mall
next to my house."

Now, Grosvenor is seeking assistance from Canada's Legal Aid to
defend a $ 22 million libel suit from the brothers. The suit came after
Grosvenor was quoted extensively in an Apr. 14 article in the respected
German newspaper, Die Zeit, entitled "Money-Laundering or World Wonder?"

The article, replete with anti-Semitic comments by Grosvenor, was
published around the time West German authorities were reaching a
decision on a $ 6.3 billion mall project in Oberhausen, near Dusseldorf.
The deal withered, and the Ghermezians slapped Grosvenor with the libel
suit, simultaneously obtaining a gag order. But Grosvenor blabs on. A
lawyer he approached about defending him was clearly taken aback when
told that his possible client-to-be was still bad-mouthing the
Ghermezians to the press. "He's going to end up in jail if this keeps
up," the lawyer whistles.

//////////-----\\\\\\\\\\

"Master of Malice: The Ghermezians put an end to Bill Grosvenor's 'news
tips'" ALBERTA REPORT, July 3, 1989, Pg. 19-20. By Tom Philip and Glenn
Kubish

Edmonton Reporters know all about William (Bill) Grosvenor's "news
tips." The invariably concern the Ghermezian family, developers of West
Edmonton Mall, and they always have something bad to say about the
Ghermezians and their company, Triple Five Corporation. "Hi, it's Bill
Grosvenor," goes a typical call. "I've just persuaded the British
authorities to cancel the Leeds project." A few phone calls and the
"story" inevitably turns out to be false. But other Grosvenor claims are
downright defamatory - a favorite is that the Ghermezians are selling
drugs in the video arcade at West Edmonton Mall - and Grosvenor doesn't
just make them to Edmonton reporters, with whom he has exhausted
whatever credibility he might once have had. Grosvenor, like the
Ghermezians, has expanded his operations to Europe, where he has made
his malicious comments to newspaper reporters and businessmen who don't
know any better than to believe him.

The Ghermezians - brothers Raphael, Bahman, Eskander and Nader - fear
Grosvenor may have done significant damage to their business ventures in
Europe, where they are negotiating to replicate West Edmonton Mall with
developments in Leeds, England and Oberhausen, West Germany. Yet they
did little about it until an Alberta Report story last month quoted
Grosvenor admitting he intends "to use all means at my disposal anywhere
in the world to put the Ghermezians out of business." The Ghermezians
cited the story, which detailed Grosvenor's methods and motives, in
obtaining an interim injunction from Mr. Justice D.R. Matheson of the
Court of Queen's Bench of Alberta two weeks ago. It prevents Grosvenor
>from making "any statement intending to prejudice the minds of the
public" against the Ghermezians, and from communicating with anyone
doing business with the family. A few days later they obtained a
similar injunction from a court in West Germany, where Triple Five is
negotiating to build a $6-billion World Tourist Centre in the north
Rhine city of Oberhausen.

The Ghermezians backed their application for the gag order with stories
>from Alberta Report and the West German newspaper Die Zeit. Alberta
Report has also obtained numerous letters, court documents, newspaper
articles - even Grosvenor's own resume - dating back to 1970, revealing
that Grosvenor, 48, has a criminal record for assault and extortion,
that he was diagnosed at Riverview Psychiatric Hospital in British
Columbia in 1973 as suffering from a paranoid personality disorder, and
that his harassment of the Ghermezians is only the latest in a 20-year
series of vendettas against corporations and individuals, including
leading figures of the British Columbia legislature and judiciary. The
documents also reveal a remarkable willingness on the part of some
newspapers to accept Grosvenor at face value. The Edmonton Journal, in
particular, has described him over the years as a "consultant," an
"import-export consultant" and "president of an international management
consulting firm," lending Grosvenor a credibility which his history
shows is not deserved.

William David Michael Grosvenor's career as a self-described opponent of
graft and corruption began shortly after he arrived in Toronto (he says
>from England) in the mid-1960s, and it got off to an inauspicious start.
According to a Vancouver Sun story about Grosvenor in July 1970,
Grosvenor was fined $50 in April 1967 for assaulting a security guard
who was attempting to eject him from a bank he was picketing over
alleged "irregularity." At about the same time, Grosvenor claimed
credit for uncovering wrongdoing in the affairs of Prudential Finance
Corp., an Ontario company that collapsed owing creditors $20 million.
But then-Finance minister Mitchell Sharp told parliament that Grosvenor
had "revealed nothing of value." Indeed, Mr. Sharp believed that
Grosvenor, who describes himself in his resume as "a registered expert
on fraudulent bankruptcies with the RCMP," had probably been fired by
Prudential's auditors. In 1968, after a brief stint with an accounting
firm in Halifax (where he changed his name from Gruber), Grosvenor left
for Prince Rupert, B.C., where he found work with accountant Odd
Eidsvik. A source claims Mr. Eidsvik soon became disenchanted with
Grosvenor's work and cut his pay in half.

It was while living in Prince Rupert that Grosvenor discovered a new
avenue for pursuing his many grievances: the courts. In February 1970,
Grosvenor charged Prince Rupert MLA William Murray and provincial court
Judge W.N. Poole under the B.C. Companies Act with failing to file an
annual return for companies of which he claimed they were directors. A
district judge promptly threw out the charges, noting that Grosvenor had
failed to make even a prima facie case that Mr. Murray and Judge Poole
were directors of the companies in question - but not before the story
was picked up and prominently displayed by the Vancouver Province, which
printed the news of the charges without comment. At about the same
time, Grosvenor charged the local Bank of Montreal with forgery. Again
the case was dismissed, with Judge J.T. Harvey labelling Grosvenor a
"master of malice" for bringing an action against a bank that had
intended only to spare him the embarrassment of having a cheque bounce.

All told, Grosvenor brought seven court cases in less than a year while
living in Prince Rupert. Four never got to trial, two were dismissed
and one ended with Grosvenor being ordered to pay a counter-claim larger
than the amount owed him. In July 1970, Mr. Justice A.B. Macfarlane of
the B.C. Supreme Court invoked a law designed to prevent abuse of the
courts to prohibit Grosvenor from instituting any new legal proceedings
in the province without the permission of a court. In the meantime,
Grosvenor himself had faced charges. In April 1970 he was convicted of
attempting to extort $50 from Prince Rupert businessman Campbell McLeod
by threatening to prosecute him under the B.C. Companies Act. He was
sentenced to one day in jail and fined $400.

Shortly thereafter Grosvenor moved to suburban Vancouver, where he found
a new target in General Motors Canada Ltd. (GM), manufacturers of the
problem-plagued Firenza. In May 1973 he and a woman named Hendrika
Peeters, with whom he shared a New Westminster address, stationed
themselves outside a Vancouver GM dealership and attempted to steer
potential customers to another GM dealership a few blocks away. "It is
utterly incredible to me," said Mr. Justice A.A. Mackoff of the B.C.
Supreme Court in issuing an injunction barring Grosvenor from the site,
"that a group saying it seeks to relay information about General Motors
should have the temerity to say this GM dealer is a good guy and the
other GM dealer, who sells the same products they labelled as junk, is a
bad guy." Throughout the affair, Grosvenor passed himself off as the
B.C. representative of the respected Automobile Protection Association
(APA), prompting APA president Phil Edmonston to ask B.C.'s attorney-
general to investigate whether Grosvenor had been "soliciting money or
carrying out other undesirable activities in our name."

Grosvenor dropped out of sight during the mid-1970s, during which time
he claims to have been a consultant, "processed for top secret and
military security clearance," to the prime minister of Malaysia. In
1980 he surfaced in Edmonton where he threatened to sue the city for
$200 when a tent belonging to a Malaysian cultural group with which he
was associated blew down in a storm during the city's Heritage Days
festival. In February 1980, he also gained attention when he apologized
to the Iranian Embassy for Canada's role in spiriting six U.S. diplomats
out of Tehran in the days following the Islamic revolution. Grosvenor
called the assistance given to the diplomats by Kenneth Taylor, Canada's
ambassador to Iran, a "criminal act" intended to aid U.S. "spies."

In the intervening years, Grosvenor has waged an unceasing campaign
intended, in his words "to put the Ghermezians out of business." After
returning from West Germany last week, Grosvenor was holed up in his
home in Edmonton's Dickinsfield neighbourhood, reportedly refusing
service of the Triple Five gag order. The company's lawyers were
preparing to go to court again Monday morning for an order allowing them
to nail the injunction to the door of Grosvenor's home, which is in fact
owned by his wife, Sario. Grosvenor could also face extortion charges
in connection with his campaign against the Ghermezians. According to a
$22-million lawsuit filed against him by the family, Grosvenor told a
Ghermezian associate that a payment of $1.2 million would leave him "too
busy to continue his harassment of the plaintiffs for at least three
year." The Ghermezians intend to keep him quiet for a lot longer than
that.

//////////-----\\\\\\\\\\

"Critic claims mall hurts economy" CALGARY HERALD, February 25, 1989.
By Jeff Adams.

EDMONTON - Bill Grosvenor is the albatross around Triple Five Corp.'s
corporate neck.

The middle-aged former Briton is determined to drive Triple Five out of
business, claiming its West Edmonton Mall has done irreparable damage to
the local economy.

"Wherever I go, I warn the public of the harmful effect of Triple Five,"
says Grosvenor.

When a British TV crew came to town recently to see the mall and report
on Triple Five's plans to build something similar in the north England
city of Leeds, Grosvenor made sure everyone heard from him too.

And when a delegation of West Germans arrived last month for their own
tour and to start negotiating construction of a mall and entertainment
facility there, Grosvenor also gave them an unexpected earful.

He writes hundreds of letters to wherever Triple Five might do business.
The campaign includes about 140,000 gummed labels printed to entreat
people not to come to Edmonton or invest in any Triple Five project.

"Anything and everything I can get that makes Triple Five look bad, I
mail it out," Grosvenor says. "I'll do everything I can within the law
to put Triple Five out of business."

He points to a stack of mail on the other side of his living room,
saying the letters are from overseas supporters of his anti-mall
campaign. But Grosvenor refuses to open even one for examination by a
reporter.

The self-described "militant" refuses to be photographed and says he
can't reveal his business holdings because to do so would invite
harassment by Triple Five.

Grosvenor says the concessions the City of Edmonton granted to Triple
Five total millions of dollars.

Local residents and merchants are straining to pay for those
concessions, he says, estimating property and business taxes have been
tripled in recent years.

But a city official says property tax increases have matched inflation,
while business taxes have either fallen or risen only slightly.

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acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:

: I guess it will soon be time for another lawsuit, this time against

: codfish, or Kaddish as her prefers to be known.

You are welcome to try, Grosswiener, the Nitzkor project has all the
relevant details needed. I can call dozens and dozens of character
witnesses, and what's more I *will* have your sanity questioned on the
stand. Furthermore, while I believe in free speach, your comments
regarding Jews here can easily be under Canadian law prosecuted.

: Now that it has already had to apologise for attempting to libel one

: businessman, this can and will be used as evidence in the trial.

Your comments regarding me can also be used as evidence in the trial.
I will call character witnesses from across the country, and I will have
you nailed with every charge I can come up with. You will go back to prison.
Everything I have said here regarding you can be verified by Ken McVay.
You want to try me, I am game, furthermore I have nothing to lose.

: That codfish may have no assets worth seizing will have no effect on the

: lawsuit. Just ask his friend who was charged by the police after I filed
: charges.

The charges were dropped when it was found out the law you used was old
and outdated. Unlike my friend, you do anything of the sort to me and I
will counter charge you. Furthermore, I consider this post harrassment,
and I will have you sued for this as well. I will also charge you with
false arrest, which, I believe carries a 5 to 10 year term.
I will have your criminal record supenad as evidence, I will have your
psychatric records, and everything you've done, and everyone you've
harrassed for years, including the Tripple 5 bros.
You will go down, Grosswiener, and you will burn.

: All your lies have been collated, Kaddish, and there are several criminal

: charges being considered, including spreading false news, criminal libel,
: and others.

Libel is a civil matter, and what I have said is not libel here. It is
the truth, as verified by a number of people. You're just farting in the
wind. But you want to play with me, Grosswiener, I'll sink you.
I will put you back in prison, or back into the psychatric institute that
I am told you came from.

: be here. Just ask the Ghermezians what happens when we get to court,
: since I presume you will bring them in as your character witnesses?

Last I heard you were forced to kiss their butt.
Now, maybe a few phone calls to the CGA folks ought to clear things up.


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jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
: I guess it will soon be time for another lawsuit, this time against
: codfish, or Kaddish as her prefers to be known.

By the way,nazi scum, the name's Jason.

jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
: I guess it will soon be time for another lawsuit, this time against
: codfish, or Kaddish as her prefers to be known.


Last time you tried this, you backed down because you *knew* I could put
you behind bars again.
Don't push it.

acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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Comments coming from a supporter of genocide would be almost funny, if
they weren't just plain stupid, just like Tim's erroneous information.


Tim Nye

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>Tim, why are you obsessed with Grossweiner? It's
>not like people here don't know what a moron he
>is already, and whenever he opens his mouth,
>his idiocy is already on display. You're not his
>publicist, are you?

[shrug] Call it a hobby. Normally I try to help the mentally handicapped,
but in this case, I think an exception is in order.

Interestingly, if you look over time, I think you'll see a trend. Last year
Grosvenor went around pretending to be an "International Businessman",
owner of many world-wide businesses, etc., etc., apparently to give himself
some undeserved credibility while ranting on various subjects. As he has
been publicly confronted with information about his true past, many of his
pretentions have been dropped.

One example: since it has been made known that he himself is an immigrant,
the volume of his whining about "Communist Canada" has dropped off
considerably. Another: when's the last time he publicly admitted to being
William Grosvenor?

You could certainly be right, Jen, that knowledge of Grosvenor's past is
reaching saturation on Usenet. For instance, in response to his recent
boast about having decision-proofed himself, someone responded by telling
him his 'only asset is his criminal record, and no one was going to take
that away.' On the other hand, it looks like Joel thought the info in the
Background file was useful enough to have posted the whole file yesterday.

I see Grosvenor's now called me a Jew, and given his feelings toward those
of the Hebrew faith, you can form your own conclusions on how much he's been
enjoying the publicity I've given him.

Tim


Tim Nye

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In article <Pine.A32.3.91.960908...@freenet.edmonton.ab.
ca> acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca writes:

>Actually Tim likes to show his ignorance. He must even have a ghostwriter
>to prepare his work for Prof.Dilts at University of Waterloo,since he is
>a stupid Jew, not a clever one.

>Notice that he never discusses the topic, just files false data from some

>Jewish collaborator, which is actually funny.

Never discusses the topic? Hmmm. Let's use this thread as an example,
shall we, Mr. Grosvenor?

The first post quoted you complaining about "Feminazis" who wanted to take
away all their husband's property because the husbands insulted the
"Feminazi's" friends.

You responded, not with a discussion on this topic, but with boasts about
how your "decision-proofing" resulted in you "successfully" defending
yourself in court against the Ghermezians of Edmonton.

So, I asked you to explain all your subsequent suck-up behaviour to the
Ghermezians, given that you were "successful" in court.

Your response? Apparently not a discussion of this topic, either.

And if you think the data presented here is false, just let us know. For
instance, it's easy enough to show us just how "successful" you were with
the Ghermezians -- I'll even make it easier. Just fill in the blanks:

"The Ghermezians sell _____ to kids in the video arcade of the
West Edmonton Mall."

"Edmonton = __________ville. Don't Invest Here. Don't
Even Visit Here."

"I was swindled by the ___________ brothers."

Not only will you be discussing the topic you initiated, but will show the
world that all that stuff about restraining orders on you is "false data".

Tim


Tim Nye

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In article <Pine.A32.3.91.960908...@freenet.edmonton.ab.
ca> acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca writes:

>I guess it will soon be time for another lawsuit, this time against
>codfish, or Kaddish as her prefers to be known.

[...]


>Start checking with your Jewish lawyer friends, for your time will soon

>be here. Just ask the Ghermezians what happens when we get to court,
>since I presume you will bring them in as your character witnesses?

Speaking of that, would you mind posting a copy of the public apology you
made to the Ghermezians, Mr. Grosvenor?

Thanks,

Tim


cjo...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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Organization: Edmonton FreeNet, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Distribution:
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acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
: Comments coming from a supporter of genocide would be almost funny, if

: they weren't just plain stupid, just like Tim's erroneous information.

I'm just about ready to laugh at your comments.... Then again,
they're just "plain stupid", aren't they?

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Greg Bobkiewicz

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acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
: Comments coming from a supporter of genocide would be almost funny, if
: they weren't just plain stupid, just like Tim's erroneous information.
:
:
:
'Jenocyde' is just a funky netname chosen in _irony_
(can you say 'irony'?). An example of irony is you calling
yourself 'acumen' or 'wahrheit'. Now that's funny as well.


Doug Chinnery

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In article <5116n3$i...@news.sas.ab.ca>,
<jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> wrote:
>acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
>: I guess it will soon be time for another lawsuit, this time against
>: codfish, or Kaddish as her prefers to be known.
>
>Last time you tried this, you backed down because you *knew* I could put
>you behind bars again.
>Don't push it.

Ya, ya, ya. Who cares...

"I'll sue you!!! "
"No way man, I'll sue you first!!!"
"Too late, I've already filed!!"
"Well I'll sue you you for filing suit!!!"

You guys ever heard of email or what???

*plonk* *plonk*

--
Doug Chinnery do...@zadall.com d...@wimsey.com
'Look here brother. Who you jivin' with that kosmic debris." - Zappa

The Doctor

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Note Kodish is a scrapper and Spewman believes lefties are running the world.
--
God, Queen and Country Member - Liberal International
NEVER Satan, President and Republic Member - Edmonton Heritage Nazarene
Hating Bachelor's Living Member - Any Edmonton PC User Group
Republicanism is Satanism: Satan wants to usurp God from his throne just like
republicans are out to dismiss monarchies.
http://doctor.nl2k.edmonton.ab.ca/~doctor Save the World and Civilization; REPUBLICS DISSOLVE! USA, call a referendum to dissolve the Union and vote YES!!!

jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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Doug Chinnery (do...@zadall.com) wrote:

: Ya, ya, ya. Who cares...

: "I'll sue you!!! "
: "No way man, I'll sue you first!!!"


Shaddup your yap!

: *plonk* *plonk*

: --
Plonk yourself Douggie.

: Doug Chinnery do...@zadall.com d...@wimsey.com


: 'Look here brother. Who you jivin' with that kosmic debris." - Zappa

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acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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Such does not exist, as even your Jewish associates can confirm from
court records.

An apology was requested, but the lawyers for the Jewish Ghermezians
refused to re-appear in court to finalise any documents, so none was
finalised.

On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Tim Nye wrote:

> In article <Pine.A32.3.91.960908...@freenet.edmonton.ab.
> ca> acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca writes:
>

> >I guess it will soon be time for another lawsuit, this time against
> >codfish, or Kaddish as her prefers to be known.

jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
: Such does not exist, as even your Jewish associates can confirm from
: court records.

Anyone got confirmation on that? Those with criminal minds are known to lie.

: refused to re-appear in court to finalise any documents, so none was
: finalised.

You know, I'm tempted to fax Tripple-5 with mention of your name, and see
what they have to say about you. Who knows, I might actually get to meet
some successfull Jewish businessmen instead of a nazi loser like you who
can't run a bath.

davi...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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Tim Nye (TJ...@MANSCI.watstar.uwaterloo.ca) wrote:
: Thought all you Grosvenor fans out there might get a kick out of this post
: from William Grosvenor.

The more the wind blows, the stronger the tree gets. The wind eventually
has to rest...

--
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acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:


: Comments coming from a supporter of genocide would be almost funny, if
: they weren't just plain stupid, just like Tim's erroneous information.

That's why we're laughing at you, Grosvenor. Because *you* are the
supporter of genocide on this group.

:(I apologise for any offense this may cause the Nazis among us---not)


Greg Bobkiewicz

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Tim Nye (TJ...@MANSCI.watstar.uwaterloo.ca) wrote:
: :
: :William Grosvenor, 9208 - 137 Avenue, REDMONTON - Alberta, CANADA T5E 1Y5
Isn't posting Willie's address an invasion of his privacy, since he
doesn't do that anymore? It would be irresponsible, isn't it, ;-) if
some disgruntled Nazi-hunter wanted to beat the piss out of him. Not that
I'm encouraging anybody to do anything illegal against him.


acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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Tim Nye is a so-called student at the University of Waterloo in Canada.
It should not be too hard to find HIS address, and perhaps visit him to
discuss his pro-Jewish attitudes.

According to published records, the addresses and phone numbers of his
pro-Jewish mentor are:

Kenneth McVay
462- 1150 North Terminal Avenue
Nanaimo, BC V9S 5T8
Phone - 604-382-0615
kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca

also:

Ken McVay
1B Systems Management Limited
5-1601 Bowen Road
Nanaimo, BC V9S 1G7
Phone 604-758-2499
kmc...@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca

The above 2 addresses were provided by INTERNIC and originally
distributed as a public service by a regular correspondent to McVay.


acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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Keep on circularising McVay's addresses and phone numbers, since he likes
readers to contact media phone numbers.

Danny Mittleman

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In article <Pine.A32.3.91.960914...@fn2.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca>, acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca writes...

>According to published records, the addresses and phone numbers of [Nye's]


>pro-Jewish mentor are:
>
>Kenneth McVay
>462- 1150 North Terminal Avenue
>Nanaimo, BC V9S 5T8
>Phone - 604-382-0615
>kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca
>
>also:
>
>Ken McVay
>1B Systems Management Limited
>5-1601 Bowen Road
>Nanaimo, BC V9S 1G7
>Phone 604-758-2499
>kmc...@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca
>
>The above 2 addresses were provided by INTERNIC and originally
>distributed as a public service by a regular correspondent to McVay.

As Mr. Grossvenom has been so kind to point out, the address up top is
a legitimate address to send your Nizkor donations to. (I am uncertain
whether the second address is still good or is outdated.) A donation
sent to the address up top will be delayed by a month or so as it is a
drop box which is rarely checked. To send your donation (and receive
your Canadian tax receipt more quickly) send it to:

Congregation Emmanu-El / Nizkor Project
1461 Blanshard St.
Victoria, BC
V8W 2J3

In the United States, checks should be made payable to:

"SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"

and should be mailed to:

San Antonio Area Foundation Nizkor Fund
P.O. Box 120366
San Antonio, TX
78212-9566

We thank Mr. Grossvenom for his hearty endorsement of the Nizkor work.
Funds provided in the past have been used to provide substantial
improvements in service. It is through these announcements of the
mailing address that Mr. Grossvenom and Mr. Giwer make that we keep our
face in front of the public. And even more important than that, it is
through the repeated anti-semitic postings that Mr. Grossvenom and Mr.
Giwer make that our public recognizes the importance of an organization
such as Nizkor.

Keep up the good work boys. And to the rest of our readers, just
remember each time you see Ken McVay's address posted to the net by an
anti-semite, that it really is just a simple advertisement for the
importance of Nizkor.

[Anyone not knowing why we get so sarcastic in our responses to
Grossvenom and Giwer are encouraged to take a look at their own words
in sections under the URL: http://www.nizkor.org/people/g/
and judge for yourselves.]

The Nizkor Project | http://www.nizkor.org/
-----------------------| Random Giwer Whoppers Served Here
|--------------------------------------


Ken McVay

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In article <14SEP199...@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu>,
dmitt...@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Danny Mittleman) wrote:

> As Mr. Grossvenom has been so kind to point out, the address up top is
> a legitimate address to send your Nizkor donations to. (I am uncertain
> whether the second address is still good or is outdated.) A donation

The second address and telephone number have been invalid since 1991, when,
as anyone reading my media archives quickly learns, I closed my business, and
my office. (As the Black-helicopters-and-librium set has already learned,
mail to the wimsey.bc.ca address bounces, as it has since November of 1991;
I just love it when these delusional fruitcakes piddle all over the floor
making asses of themselves in public..."Revisionist scholarship" at its
finest, eh?)

> drop box which is rarely checked. To send your donation (and receive
> your Canadian tax receipt more quickly) send it to:

> Congregation Emmanu-El / Nizkor Project
> 1461 Blanshard St.
> Victoria, BC
> V8W 2J3

While Congregation Emanu-el will still accept donations for
their Nizkor Fund, they are no longer acting as Nizkor's
primary funding agency. They were, as long noted on Nizkor's
funding page (http;//www.nizkor.org/funding.html), lending a
temporary hand.

Donations for the Project's efforts may be made payable to

The Zikaron Society / Nizkor Project

Please mail your cheque to

The Zikaron Tolerance and Remembrance Society
6540 East Hastings Street, Suite 221
Burnaby, BC V5B 4Z5

Canadian income tax receipts will be issued.

[Correct American address for donations, as noted on
http://www.nizkor.org/funding.html, snipped]

Nizkor thanks you, and, of course, Linda Thompson, Matt Giwer and
Mr. Grosvenor-Gruber-Acumen-Wahrheit, for the continuing reminder
of the importance of public education, and their contributions
to the continuing success of the Nizkor Project.

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Ken McVay OBC

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ccom...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
: Tim Nye is a so-called student at the University of Waterloo in Canada.
: It should not be too hard to find HIS address, and perhaps visit him to
: discuss his pro-Jewish attitudes.

Heh... seems that Grosvenor is still living in the 30s... anti-semitism
(sp?) is out of fashion now.

: According to published records, the addresses and phone numbers of his
: pro-Jewish mentor are:

: Kenneth McVay
: 462- 1150 North Terminal Avenue
: Nanaimo, BC V9S 5T8
: Phone - 604-382-0615
: kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca

: also:

: Ken McVay
: 1B Systems Management Limited
: 5-1601 Bowen Road
: Nanaimo, BC V9S 1G7
: Phone 604-758-2499
: kmc...@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca

: The above 2 addresses were provided by INTERNIC and originally
: distributed as a public service by a regular correspondent to McVay.

Do we care? ***NO***

--Captain Comrade, Socialist and Proud.

Charles R.L. Power

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acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca writes:

>Tim Nye is a so-called student at the University of Waterloo in Canada.
>It should not be too hard to find HIS address, and perhaps visit him to
>discuss his pro-Jewish attitudes.

--says a yellow-bellied sack of shit who posts under a pseudonym.

Ken McVay OBC

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>Kenneth McVay
>462- 1150 North Terminal Avenue
>Nanaimo, BC V9S 5T8
>Phone - 604-382-0615
>kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca

Although donations may be sent to this address, it would be
best to make your donations for the Project's efforts payable to:

The Zikaron Society / Nizkor Fund

and mail them to:

The Zikaron Tolerance and Remembrance Society
6540 East Hastings Street, Suite 221
Burnaby, BC
V5B 4Z5

Canadian income tax receipts will be issued.

Mr. Grosvenor forgot to mention that in the United States, checks

should be made payable to:

"SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"

and should be mailed to:

San Antonio Area Foundation
Nizkor Fund
P.O. Box 120366
San Antonio, TX 78212-9566

Tel: (210) 225-2243
Fax: (210) 225-1980

> also:

> Ken McVay
> 1B Systems Management Limited
> 5-1601 Bowen Road
> Nanaimo, BC V9S 1G7
> Phone 604-758-2499
> kmc...@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca

Alas, the company above was closed in 1991, and delisted
shortly thereafter. The address and telephone number have been
defunct since November of that year, and email sent to the
wimsey address will eventually bounce. Mr. Grosvenor, like
many of his ilk, seems incapable of doing accurate research.

We do appreciate his continuing support, however, and thank
him for the generous donations he has caused to come our way.

Ken McVay OBC

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In article <karlpov.842747292@access5>,
kar...@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) wrote:

>acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca writes:

[nothing of value]

>--says a yellow-bellied sack of shit who posts under a pseudonym.

No mystery, Sir. Your "yellow-bellied sack of shit who posts under
a pseudonym" is non other than Edmonton's William Grosvenor.

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/grosvenor-william/

Posted and emailed to Mr. Power, and the YBSoS, Mr. Grosvenor.

jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:

: Kenneth McVay


: 462- 1150 North Terminal Avenue
: Nanaimo, BC V9S 5T8
: Phone - 604-382-0615
: kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca


Thanks. Now I know where to send my Chanukah cards this year. Also I know
that you know how to look up information. Big deal.

acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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In case you people care, the comment derogatory was placed by the Jew,
POWERS, not by me, as the markings prove.

I would refer to OyVey as a sack of unusable camel feces, not as Powers
claimed.

I guess the JEWS are getting nervous about the fact that in Quebec, more
and more thinking Quebecois are realising that Galganov and the World
Jewish Congress got nowhere in the USA. Even the Jewish financiers in New
York ignored the Canadian Jews.

Ken McVay OBC

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In article <51h4il$k...@news.sas.ab.ca>,
jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote to William
Gruber-Grosvenor-Acumen-Wahrheit:

>Here is your harrassment of an honest upstanding citizen
>of this country. Need I say more, Grosswiener?

That is unfair, Mr. Kodish. Mr. Grosvenor is not capable of
harrassing me. He simply feels that it is important to let
people know where to send their donations in support of my
work. Even though he appears incapable of getting the correct
address (which anyone can find at http://www.nizkor.org/funding.html),
the one which he offers will certainly work.

Please don't discourage the man - the more he publishes the
address, the more the donations will follow. He is not
harrassing, he is providing a positive service.

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Annie Alpert, OFB

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acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
>
> Tim Nye is a so-called student at the University of Waterloo in Canada.
> It should not be too hard to find HIS address, and perhaps visit him to
> discuss his pro-Jewish attitudes.
>
> According to published records, the addresses and phone numbers of his
> pro-Jewish mentor are:
snip

> The above 2 addresses were provided by INTERNIC and originally
> distributed as a public service by a regular correspondent to McVay.

Notice you don't have the guts to even use your OWN real name, weenie.
Like we should take you seriously? Ha!
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The Doctor

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Sep 15, 1996, 3:00:00 AM9/15/96
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>acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca writes:
>

A question to the above person:

Why the anti-Jewish attitude?

acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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Sep 15, 1996, 3:00:00 AM9/15/96
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Since OyVey likes to have everyone contact him at home, for more money
according to his own messages,here again are his address and phone numbers:
Kenneth McVay
462 - 1150 North terminal Avenue

Nanaimo, BC V9S 5T8
Phone - 604-382-0615


Hope this helps you, and others, who may wish to discuss with Ken aspects
of the truth about Jewish control.....

Ken McVay OBC

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William Gruber-Grosvenor-Acumen-Wahrheit wrote:

>Since OyVey likes to have everyone contact him at home, for more money
>according to his own messages,here again are his address and phone numbers:

> Kenneth McVay
> 462 - 1150 North terminal Avenue
> Nanaimo, BC V9S 5T8
> Phone - 604-382-0615

>Hope this helps you, and others, who may wish to discuss with
>Ken aspects of the truth about Jewish control.....

Although it is kind of Mr. Grosvenor-Gruber-Acumen-Wahrheit to
provide this information, there are some minor errors which,
as is usually the case, have appeared in his article.

1. My name is spelled McVay, but Mr. Grosvenor's lack of spelling
skills can be excused. He is, after all, one of Canada's
immigrants, and English is not his first language.

2. The address provided is not that of my home.

3. The address provided can be used for donations, but it is
only checked once a month, and tax receipts will be
delayed. The correct information for donations is as
follows:
Canada

Donations for the Project's efforts may be made payable
to

The Zikaron Society / Nizkor Fund

Please mail your cheque to

The Zikaron Tolerance and Remembrance Society
6540 East Hastings Street, Suite 221
Burnaby, BC
V5B 4Z5

Canadian income tax receipts will be issued.

In the United States, checks should be made payable to:



"SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"

and should be mailed to:

San Antonio Area Foundation
Nizkor Fund
P.O. Box 120366
San Antonio, TX 78212-9566

4. The telephone number is not mine, nor can I be reached by anyone
calling that number who wishes to discuss Mr. Grosvenor's fantasies.

Although Mr. Grosvenor's errors equal his assertions, we would like to
thank him, as always, for reminding us of the importance of public
education, and, of course, his continuing support of the Nizkor Project.

jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:


: Hope this helps you, and others, who may wish to discuss with Ken aspects

: of the truth about Jewish control.....

Hell with that, boy-a, this Jew is outta control. :-)

jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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Sep 15, 1996, 3:00:00 AM9/15/96
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Ken McVay OBC (kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) wrote:
: In article <51h4il$k...@news.sas.ab.ca>,
: jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote to William
: Gruber-Grosvenor-Acumen-Wahrheit:

: That is unfair, Mr. Kodish. Mr. Grosvenor is not capable of


: harrassing me. He simply feels that it is important to let

Yes, I suppose. I should have thought that out. To harrass someone
requires a modicum of intelligence, which Grosvenor simply does not have.
Rather, he barks like a rabid dog.

: people know where to send their donations in support of my


: work. Even though he appears incapable of getting the correct
: address (which anyone can find at http://www.nizkor.org/funding.html),

Yes, but getting the correct address also requires inteligence.

: Please don't discourage the man - the more he publishes the


: address, the more the donations will follow. He is not
: harrassing, he is providing a positive service.

I'll keep that in mind.

: Nizkor Canada | http://www.nizkor.org


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Danny Mittleman

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In article <Pine.A32.3.91.960915...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca>, acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca writes...

>Since OyVey likes to have everyone contact him at home, for more money
>according to his own messages,here again are his address and phone numbers:
> Kenneth McVay
> 462 - 1150 North terminal Avenue
> Nanaimo, BC V9S 5T8
> Phone - 604-382-0615

In fact, Ken loves to entertain. All racists and anti-semites are
invited over to his "house" next Saturday evening. Lets say, cocktails
at eight. Black^H^H^H^H^HWhite tie.

daniel david mittleman
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jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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Organization: Edmonton FreeNet, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Distribution:

acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:

: In case you people care, the comment derogatory was placed by the Jew,

: POWERS, not by me, as the markings prove.


Here lies evidence of both your hatred of JEWISH people and your paranoia
of a JEWISH conspiricy. Both evidence of your failing sanity.


: I would refer to OyVey as a sack of unusable camel feces, not as Powers
: claimed.

Here is your harrassment of an honest upstanding citizen of this country.


Need I say more, Grosswiener?

ccom...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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Sep 16, 1996, 3:00:00 AM9/16/96
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Organization: Edmonton FreeNet, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Distribution:

acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
: In case you people care, the comment derogatory was placed by the Jew,
: POWERS, not by me, as the markings prove.

: I would refer to OyVey as a sack of unusable camel feces, not as Powers
: claimed.

: I guess the JEWS are getting nervous about the fact that in Quebec, more

: and more thinking Quebecois are realising that Galganov and the World
: Jewish Congress got nowhere in the USA. Even the Jewish financiers in New
: York ignored the Canadian Jews.

: On 14 Sep 1996, Ken McVay OBC wrote:

: > In article <karlpov.842747292@access5>,
: > kar...@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) wrote:
: >
: > >acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca writes:
: >
: > [nothing of value]
: >
: > >--says a yellow-bellied sack of shit who posts under a pseudonym.
: >
: > No mystery, Sir. Your "yellow-bellied sack of shit who posts under
: > a pseudonym" is non other than Edmonton's William Grosvenor.

: >
Don't you mean "yellow-bellied running-dog lackey of the
military-industrial elitist corporate oppressors?"

:-)

Huh?

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On Sun, 15 Sep 1996 08:24:18 -0600, acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
wrote:

>In case you people care, the comment derogatory was placed by the Jew,
>POWERS, not by me, as the markings prove.
>
>I would refer to OyVey as a sack of unusable camel feces, not as Powers
>claimed.
>
>I guess the JEWS are getting nervous about the fact that in Quebec, more
>and more thinking Quebecois are realising that Galganov and the World
>Jewish Congress got nowhere in the USA. Even the Jewish financiers in New
>York ignored the Canadian Jews.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought promoting
hatred of this sort in Canada was illegal.


In the immortal words of Dogbert:

"Perhaps, when committing your first federal crime, it would be
unwise to slap your name and address on it and mail it
to 10,000 people."

acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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Sep 16, 1996, 3:00:00 AM9/16/96
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What constitutes hatred, when reporting on an actual news event, as it
happened?

Iain Grant

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mgi...@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) wrote:

> What about people who need sacrificial virgins for their rites?
> Do they get dispensations from the law?

Considering the slim chances of finding any in Toronto, I would
imagine that virgins would be allowed to be imported without the
French ingredients on them.

Iain.

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they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

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Earl Blacklock

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Sep 16, 1996, 3:00:00 AM9/16/96
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>What constitutes hatred, when reporting on an actual news event, as it
>happened?

Your definition of "reporting" is to see whether you can break your old record
for the number of lies in a single sentence.


Charles R.L. Power

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acu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca writes:

>In case you people care, the comment derogatory was placed by the Jew,
>POWERS, not by me, as the markings prove.

That's POWER, you yellow-bellied sack of shit. Can't you read? I don't
need to hide my name because I'm not ashamed of my postings. If you want
my address, you can check out http://www.switchboard.com.

But how did you find out about my bar mitzvah? That's a secret I've kept
from EVERYONE, even my parents....

Tim Nye

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Sep 16, 1996, 3:00:00 AM9/16/96
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>Tim Nye is a so-called student at the University of Waterloo in Canada.
>It should not be too hard to find HIS address, and perhaps visit him to
>discuss his pro-Jewish attitudes.

Why Mr. Grosvenor, I didn't know you cared. [Haw! Haw!]

Man, I knew I was getting your goat, but I didn't realize I'd been *this*
successful. What can I say? You still amuse me.

Maybe you could help us out here. Could you elaborate on just what you
consider to be my "pro-Jewish attitudes"? Is reminding people that you are
a convicted criminal "pro-Jewish"? Or how about pointing out that you are a
foreign national? Or that you are a former mental patient?

Speaking of that last point, could you tell us the circumstances which led
to your tenure at the Riverview Psychiatric Hospital in British Columbia?
Were you just driving by one day and remembered how all those people kept
questioning your sanity, and decided to drop in for some electro-shock?

[BTW: did someone switch M&M's for Mr. Grosvenor's medication again?
(Obviously, they couldn't have been Smarties.) He seems to be unwinding at
an increasing rate lately...]

Tim


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