Article on Ken McVay _mcvay@internet.fighter_ (Also Helps Prove He's a Liar) R_0611
Sean O'Tavish
GOOGLE's USENET archives! Ken McVay and his minions seek to NUKE any posts
critical of McVay or his masters. Notice in this link you all will see plenty of
replies made to my post BUT you will not see any originals!!! I am now trying to
repost for the archives June 10, 2003!
Article on Ken McVay "mc...@internet.fighter" (Also Helps Prove He's a Liar)
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It is rather obvious that if my enemies are replying to what I posted then they
prove I made such a post and they then convict themselves!
1) If what I am posting is false then why doesn't my opposition point out where
I lied!?
2) If what I am posting has no merit then why does my opposition cancel my posts
and nuke the archives at GOOGLE.COM so only their ad hominem attack reply posts
show?
3) If what I am posting is in fact true then it is everyone's duty to file
complaints.
Attention lurkers-- these are the contacts to report Ken McVay:
Auditor General of CCRA:
canadaint...@pwgsc.gc.ca, comm...@rc.gc.ca
For office phone numbers and addresses, please visit our "Contact us" page
at http://www.ccra.gc.ca/contact.
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Note to the reader: This article, written by Michelle Betz, was published in the
March 9, 1995 issue of The Jewish Western Bulletin.
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At the question why, Ken McVay laughed. "I'm laughing because that's the first
question everybody's been asking me for six months." But he quickly became
serious and answered. "They're offensive. They're deeply, deeply, offensive," he
said in a Bulletin interview. "They make me look at a side of myself that I
pretend is not there."
http://www3.telus.net/myssiwyg/mcvay_ti.gif
<<Tavish comment: I see that side and it is very effeminate Ken! You look quite
flaming in your pix too!>>
"They" are a handful of people, mostly men, who disseminate anti-Semitic,
Holocaust denial and other racist material to a global audience on the Internet.
And Ken McVay is fighting back.
The Internet is rife with virulent racism of all types, but McVay preoccupies
himself almost solely with Holocaust deniers. Again, the question, why? Of all
the repugnant racist activities on the "'Net", why would McVay, a non-Jew,
choose to fight Holocaust deniers rather than defend blacks, or Asians, or
homosexuals, or any of the other multitude of groups constantly harangued on the
'Net?
"Primarily because I don't have the time or the energy to take on the whole
world," McVay responded. "Everybody has to decide sometime in their life what's
important and what's not. For me, this [Holocaust denial] is important."
That's as close to an answer one can get in trying to understand the motivations
behind this man. Originally from California's Silicon Valley, McVay keeps a $300
a week job he "detests" - working at a gas station and convenience store on
Vancouver Island.
He keeps the job only to pay the bills. If he could, he would fight the 'Net
Nazis full-time, he told JWB.
"These people are serious. This is real, this is just like the 1920's in
Munich,", he warned. "It could happen again if we don't do something."
The 54-year-old Vancouver Island resident expressed his dismay at the general
inaction of the Jewish community thus far, but he hopes this is changing.
Lion's Gate Lodge of B'nai B'rith asked him to speak at their Feb. 20 meeting in
Vancouver, which was attended by about 150 people. McVay, in one of his rare
public appearances, seized the opportunity to try and mobilize the Jewish
community. In May, he'll spend his holidays in Montreal as a guest speaker at
Canadian Jewish Congress' Plenary Assembly.
"Generally speaking the Jewish community hasn't had anything to do with fighting
this," he lamented. But, he added, "if the Jewish community organized its
research, these guys would be toast in a few years."
Sheer numbers alone should be reason enough to do something, he said.
"As of a month ago, metered observations suggested that there were 48 million
people on the Internet. A year from now there will be 100 million users [growing
at a rate of 8.5 percent annually]; two years from now there will be 250 million
people on the Internet.
"Within 10 years every home in the world that has access to cable TV, satellite
TV or a telephone line can be on the Internet," he pronounced. "That should put
this effort in a totally different perspective," he said, referring to his
ongoing battle.
"There are 25,000 people known to read alt.revisionism [one of the more popular
Internet discussion groups for Holocaust revisionists and neo-Nazis], but there
probably aren't more than 100 who participate in the discussions."
But he and everyone else engaged in the struggle are in a race against time.
"We have maybe 10 to 15 years to deal with the issue of anti-Semitism, Holocaust
denial and fascism on a broader scale. If we haven't done it by then ... it's
too late," he warned.
But it's not just because of the numbers involved that McVay takes this issue
seriously.
"This is the one venue where you can't piss around. You say something and within
five minutes people have jumped on it from all over the world. And all the
people who saw what you said also see what I say."
The Internet has become an instant forum. But, even more importantly, according
to McVay, it's an accurate forum. McVay admitted he wouldn't debate Holocaust
deniers on television but, he said, stressing every syllable, to adopt the same
attitude on the Internet would be "an unqualified disaster of the first
magnitude."
His part in preventing this disaster is to spend 50 to 60 hours a week
monitoring Internet to refute Nazi propoganda. But, he added, "that's changed in
the last six months - the media has eaten up a lot of that time."
McVay's Internet work, now known officially as the Nizkor Project, began as a
one-man show, "where one person's sort of trying to do it all and run a gas
station at the same time. It's sort of amazing that it works at all. That's why
it takes so much time."
McVay uses his own outdated and old computer equipment. Until a public appeal,
McVay had been assuming all costs himself and had little, if any, outside
financial support. Last autumn, worried that his system might die, the media
launched an appeal.
Things have changed.
McVay now has a scanner donated by the Vancouver-based Committee for Racial
Justice, which means he doesn't have to input all information by hand. A company
owned by Jews in Nova Scotia (McVay doesn't want the name released publicly) has
donated some equipment to help his faltering hard drives.
A former computer salesman, McVay believes that to do the job properly would
cost a minumum of $30,000 in addition to an annual cost of about $10,000 for an
Internet connection. But, he said, the expensive part is his personal time.
McVay has also paid a physical price. As a direct result of the hours of typing,
he suffered from carpal tunnel syndrome and was forced to wear braces on both
his arms a couple of years ago.
McVay has also found some outside backing - an American who will provide "some
pretty solid financial backing for the project." A 77-year-old businessman and
Holocaust scholar from Texas will fund legal expenses incurred in setting up the
project. McVay will then further establish the Nizkor Project in Canada.
"We are in the process of establishing a non-profit organization in the U.S.
That should be operational within a month or six weeks and that foundation will
undoubtedly fund the establishment of the Canadian foundation by the same name,"
he explained, referring to the Nizkor Project.
<<Tavish comment: That is the San Antonio Area Foundation Con-man McVay denies
ever receiving any money from! See these two links:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=07qc8vguuom77pvmugliksb3dmdf8pp82r%404ax.com&rnum=6
Subject: Did NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Pay Tax On Those $50k+ Donations He
Denies Receiving From the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
Message-ID: <07qc8vguuom77pvmu...@4ax.com>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=67qc8v8192tumoaivq4joitsquts3t5bs8%404ax.com&rnum=7
Subject: NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Caught Lying About San Antonio
Connection! (Those Two U.S. Servers!) V2.0
Message-ID: <67qc8v8192tumoaiv...@4ax.com> End of comment.>>
The project's ultimate goal is to provide educational materials to the 350
million people that will be on the Internet in the next few years.
According to McVay, "we're talking about the education or re-education of an
entire society. People have to change the way they view archiving and using
historical material," said McVay. If data goes to a museum, it's buried from the
public's view, "but give it to me for a week and I'll give it to the world to
see."
Is McVay the project's sole warrior?
"Energetically working in a formalized way, [there are] 65-70 people on a daily
basis - this is the basic research team. Perhaps four or five times that many in
that I work with a lot of lurkers on the 'Net who never get involved publicly,
who can't deal with the issue publicly. These are the people who feed me
information and type in articles from Australian newspapers and so on," he
explained.
But the more the word gets out, the more people McVay has around the world
helping him accomplish his goals.
"Every individual has resources and talents that others don't have. You don't
have to participate [in these discussion groups] but get used to the players ...
If you gave me an hour a month of transcription time it would increase my
archives significantly," he said.
"If Jewish students, just at SFU - nevermind worldwide - gave me an hour of
their time just imagine what we could do. Just get involved and accept it as a
part of being Jewish or accept it as part of being human. Do something and
understand that if you don't do something you're going to pay a very heavy
price.
McVay said he'll do this for the rest of his life. Is he satisfied with what
he's accomplished?
"Knowing that if I drop dead on the way home tonight that the work would not
stop, that the archives are all over the world, the job's been done, the seeds
have been planted," then yes, said McVay, he is satisfied.
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Another web page (Thanks Hilary Ostrov) which proves McVay is tied in with
Texas!
Tavish
----NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay's Numerous Lies Regarding His Funding----
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=07qc8vguuom77pvmugliksb3dmdf8pp82r%404ax.com&rnum=6
Subject: Did NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Pay Tax On Those $50k+ Donations He
Denies Receiving From the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
Message-ID: <07qc8vguuom77pvmu...@4ax.com>
Date: 30 Mar 2003 03:49:22 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=67qc8v8192tumoaivq4joitsquts3t5bs8%404ax.com&rnum=7
Subject: NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Caught Lying About San Antonio
Connection! (Those Two U.S. Servers!) V2.0
Date: 30 Mar 2003 03:49:12 GMT
Message-ID: <67qc8v8192tumoaiv...@4ax.com>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=rhao2v4fbuij94mcmi6sicj73sa4eifsns%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Nizkor LHR Fund; Just Another Self Serving FUND Like the Nizkor
Endowment and Trust Funds?
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:56:49 -0600
Message-ID: <rhao2v4fbuij94mcm...@4ax.com>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3e060868_1%40news2.uncensored-news.com&rnum=1
Subject: Is NIZKOR Running a Self Serving Endowment Fund Scam?
Message-ID: <3e060...@news2.uncensored-news.com>
Date: 22 Dec 2002 18:46:15 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3e0608d2_1%40news2.uncensored-news.com&rnum=1
Subject: NIZKOR.ORG and B'nai Brith's Apparent Funding Kick Backs and Tax Scam
Message-ID: <3e060...@news2.uncensored-news.com>
Date: 22 Dec 2002 18:48:04 GMT
B'nai Brith is NIZKOR's funding arm and B'nai Brith is also documented as giving
an "anti-American, anti-Christian, and anti-Capitalist" David Lethbridge
financial and moral support. It is no secret David Lethbridge is a devout
communist either! Read about it all here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=8hqsdv4c67ida5vp7bfdl9f9rt8cj405hd%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Tax Exempt Religious Org (B'nai Brith) Gave Communist Financial and
Moral Support
Message-ID: <8hqsdv4c67ida5vp7...@4ax.com>
Date: 4 Jun 2003 21:52:32 GMT
Ken McVay, director of NIZKOR.ORG, also has abetted David Lethbridge:
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/places/canada/bc/ftp.py?places/canada/bc/salmon_arm/salmon_arm.001
Shofar FTP Archive File: places/canada/bc/salmon_arm/salmon_arm.001
Subject: An Appeal for Aid: Racism in Salmon Arm, B.C.
Summary:
Reply-To: kmc...@oneb.almanac.bc.ca
Followup-To: alt.revisionism
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island, CANADA
Keywords: Christie,Lethbridge,Salmon Arm,Irving,Zundel
Lines: 200
Archive/File: fascism/canada/bc salmon_arm.001
Last-Modified: 1994/05/21
[The following material reached me via the original recipient of
David Lethbridge's letter, who wishes, for the moment, to remain
anonymous. knm.]
5 May 1994
3521 20 Avenue NE
Salmon Arm, BC
V1E 4M4
Tel: 604 / 832-6678
xx. xxxxxxx xxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxxx xxx xxxxxxxxxx
xxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxxxxx
xxxxxxx, xxx.
xxx xxx
Dear Xx. Xxxxxx:
Thank you so much for your letter of 25 April. Yes, it is
true that I am being sued....
<defamatory communist smears and rants deleted>
Sincerely,
David Lethbridge
====================[ new page ]====================
SACAR The Salmon Arm Coalition Against Racism Needs your Help
[...]
Dear Friend:
If you have read our defence fund letters, you know that we need
$100,000 to fight organized racism. It seems like a lot of
money, but consider this: If only 4000 people gave $25 each, the
money would be raised in no time. We believe that there must be
4000 people in this country who are willing to lend a hand in
this fight. We hope you are one of those 4000 people. This
struggle is not just Dr. Lethbridge's struggle; it is the
struggle of all those who are opposed to racism, neo-nazism, and
holocaust denial.
We do not ask you to help, as if we were beggars. We ask you to
join us.
SACAR Defense Committee
[followups directed to alt.revisionism]
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/places/canada/bc/ftp.py?places/canada/bc/salmon_arm/salmon_arm.002
Shofar FTP Archive File: places/canada/bc/salmon_arm/salmon_arm.002
Archive/File: fascism/canada/bc salmon_arm.002
Last-Modified: 1994/06/17
Newsgroups: can.general,alt.revisionism,io.eye
Subject: Anti-racist Sued By Racist For Defamation
[...]
One of Canada's most active anti-racists is being sued by one of
Canada's leading racists for... well, calling her a racist.
David Lethbridge, a doctor of psychology in Salmon Arm, B.C....
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Xref:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=2d50cvgavda0q5gugjvhrsjtgusjmg7cra%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Ken McVay's NIZKOR.ORG Has Aided and Abetted Communist David
Lethbridge! Why Does NIZKOR and B'nai Brith Embrace Communism? R_0512
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 16:47:50 -0500
Message-ID: <2d50cvgavda0q5gug...@4ax.com>
It is no secret NIZKOR and B'nai Brith are hostile to anti-communists either as
these archives prove:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=hdpn7v445bkpebmovcd0aul56eeemv4e8a%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Why Does NIZKOR/B'NAI BRITH Have Such Affection for Communists and
Why Would Anyone Who Values Freedom Give Them Donations?
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 22:52:09 -0600
Message-ID: <hdpn7v445bkpebmov...@4ax.com>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=59qpbvcgjph35krknh525b1d4ivst7h38c%404ax.com&rnum=2
Subject: NIZKOR Director Ken McVay in Bed With Communists and His Animosity
Against Anti-Communists Documented ... (Why Does NIZKOR/B'NAI BRITH Have Such
Affection for Communists and Why Would Anyone Who Values Freedom Give Them
Donations?)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 06:58:59 -0500
Message-ID: <59qpbvcgjph35krkn...@4ax.com>
(Very brief excerpt)
The League of Human Rights of B'nai Brith (Ken McVay's Nizkor sponsor) got a
court ruling which declares this about anti-communism:
http://www.chrt-tcdp.gc.ca/decisions/docs/league-e.htm
T.D. 15/92 Decision rendered December 16, 1992
CANADIAN HUMAN RIGHTS ACT
R.S.C., 1985, c. H-6 (as amended)
HUMAN RIGHTS TRIBUNAL
[...]
B. THE COMPLAINTS
These complaints are brought by ... The League for Human Rights B'Nai Brith
Canada ...
(1) Themes Which Promote Hatred: ...
(g) Anti-Communist Ideology ...
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Need I say more?
Tavish
---
>I ask-- why do we never see Jews criticize the communism
>which existed before Stalin took control?
"Because there was very little to criticize."
Susan Cohen - January 24, 2001
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=4&selm=3A6F230F.3AFF4272%40his.com
Message-ID: <3A6F230F...@his.com>
Ivan Marsh
> I have posted this article several time before YET it does not show up at
> GOOGLE's USENET archives!
What does this have to do with Wisconsin?
--
i.m.
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