In Their Own Words Jews Imply That Gentiles are Unclean or Defiled. Read And Decide For Yourselves.

Doc Tavish

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On Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:49:30 -0500, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
Brown) wrote:

Jeffrey's subject title was:
"Poor ol' gutless Scottie tries another brainless ploy (Oh the
Incredibly Stupid Lies Keep Coming At Us!)"

>In article <34cc0531...@news.flash.net>, Scott "Watch me lie again
>about a web page that anyone can check! Being a moron is great!" Bradbury
>(doc_t...@bigfoot.com, phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:

It's a pity that someone has to go to these depths in order to smear
and discredit someone. I guess this all that Jeffrey can do because he
can't deny what I posted!

>> http://www.mcs.net/~kollel/www/halacha/fax210.html
>>
>> HALACHA ON - LINE
>>
>> In Memory of Rabbi Dov Ber Rosenblum z''l
>> a dedicated Torah scholar whose greatest love was the study and
>> clarification of Halacha
>>
>> Food Preparations, Part One vol.2 no.10
>>
>> In an effort to limit social mingling with our gentile neighbors and
>> the intermarriage which might result, our sages prohibited eating food
>> cooked by gentiles, even if all ingredients are kosher and the food is
>> cooked in a kosher vessel while under the watchful eye of a Jewish
>> supervisor.
>>
>> Such food is referred to in Hebrew as bishul nochri or bishul akum. It
>> is particularly important to bear this isuue in mind if one has a
>> non-Jewish housekeeper or attendent [slave from the nations!] who
>> takes part in household food preparation.
>
>> [...deletia...]
>
>> I have to add this one because it goes so well with the above. Just
>> another example of Yids having a cob stuck up their ass!

>Actually, this is just another example of Scott Bradbury lying out his ass.
>The phrase "slave from the nations" in the above excerpt doesn't appear on
>the original page referenced by poor ol' gutless Scottie. He has, in short,
>lied about the contents of the web page in question.

I usually put in brackets my added words Jeffrey! If I wanted to pull
a fast one such as you are currently accusing me of would I have
provided the link to verify what I posted? Remove what I put in
brackets and deal with the truth- Jews look at Gentiles as defiled!

I'll put exactly what they said below without my editorial comment and
see if what they said comes across any less bigoted than what it is.
You are going to be working overtime in your damage control because,
as the old song goes, "We've Only Just Begun!"

In fact I'll put both Halacha Online posts in this reply w/o my added
comments and I'll amuse myself watching your damage control!

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HALACHA ON - LINE

In Memory of Rabbi Dov Ber Rosenblum z''l
a dedicated Torah scholar whose greatest love was the study and
clarification of Halacha

Food Preparations, Part One vol.2 no.10

In an effort to limit social mingling with our gentile neighbors and
the intermarriage which might result, our sages prohibited eating food
cooked by gentiles, even if all ingredients are kosher and the food is
cooked in a kosher vessel while under the watchful eye of a Jewish
supervisor.

Such food is referred to in Hebrew as bishul nochri or bishul akum. It
is particularly important to bear this isuue in mind if one has a
non-Jewish housekeeper or attendent who takes part in household
food preparation.

When establishing this prohibition, the sages excluded foods which
would have been fully edible prior to the cooking process. Therefore,
pasteurization of milk and juice, though typically done by non-Jews,
presents no bishul nochri problem. Some authorities use this exclusion
as the justification for the common practice to drink coffee or tea
cooked by a gentile. These drinks can be viewed as basically being
flavored water. As water is drinkable prior to any cooking, water and
by extension coffee and tea, are exempted from this prohibition. Other
examples within this category would be most fruit and those vegetables
which could be eaten raw.

Another category excluded from this prohibition is that of foods that
are not dignified enough to be served on shulchan melachim - literally
the table of kings or practically, as a dish at a fancy dinner.
Accordingly, if for example, a bowl of oatmeal was cooked by a
non-Jewish housekeeper, the bishul nochri prohibition does not apply.
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In Memory of Rabbi Dov Ber Rosenblum z''l

a dedicated Torah scholar whose greatest love was the study and
clarification of Halacha

Food Production part two vol.2 no.11

In our last issue we introduced the laws of bishul nochri .
We received certain questions regarding the common practice of kosher
caterers and commercial food producers. The following additional
guidelines provide significant insight into the halachic basis for
food preperation involving significant amounts of cooking by nochrim .

The prohibition of bishul nochri applies only if the entire cooking
process is done by the nochri . If a Jew places the food on the fire
or, according to the Ashkenazic view, if he ignites or increases the
fire, no bishul nochri problem can develop. Even if the cooking
process was initiated by a nochri , as long as it was substantially
completed by a Jew (e.g. the pot was removed from the fire before the
food can be considered cooked and then returned to the fire by a Jew)
the bishul nochri prohibition will generally not be present. In the
latter case other factors must be determined and halachic guidance is
suggested.

In keeping with this rule, if the food was previously cooked by a Jew
and is merely being reheated by the nochri , no problem arises.

In summary, the bishul nochri prohibition applies only if all of the
following conditions exist :

1.the food was not fit to be eaten prior to the cooking
2.the food is fit to be served as a dish at a formal meal
3.the food was cooked entirely by a nochri

In a situation in which bishul nochri did occur, the vessels in which
the food was cooked are regarded as having non-kosher absorptions. It
is therefore necessary to kasher them prior to further use. However,
since the prohibition involved is only of Rabbinic origin, some
leniencies do apply. If the utensil in question is for some halachic
or practical reason incapable of undergoing a typical absorption
removal process, Rabbinic guidance may yield allowance to use it
without the conventional kashering.

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One more about how Jews view non-Jews and this one is from B'nai
B'rith! I'll provide the link as I did for the other posts above!

From B'nai B'rith (Mother of ADL):

http://bnaibrith.org/ijm/articles/wine/index.html

Vineyard Vanguard:

The new taste of a well-aged tradition

By Joseph Berkofsky

[ ... ] (Excerpt used for "educational" purposes]

Like all other kosher food or drink, kosher wine cannot contain any
unkosher animal or fish products; to be kosher for Passover, it must
also not come in contact with any leavened grains.

But the law regarding wine extracts another, more pressing, demand: It
cannot be handled by non-Jews.

The roots of this law reach back to the ancient Land of Israel where,
to prevent Jews from drinking wines used in idol worship, Jewish law
forbade Jews to touch wine that had been moved in an open vessel by
non-Jews, since it was likely used as a wave offering. The rabbis
later went further in battling assimilation, declaring any wine
handled by a non-Jew unfit to drink.

Today, in order to ensure that a wine meets all the kashrut
requirements, the entire winemaking process from grape-crushing to
bottling is overseen by trained, Sabbath-observant Jews, or
mashgichim, who handle all flow of the wine. And, as Ben Welton, a
mashgiach for St. Supéry and others, can attest, this kind of kosher
supervision can mean as much toil as Torah.

With help from nearby non-Jewish winery workers, mashgichim operate
cranes to unload the grapes from trucks after the fall harvest. They
run the crushers which break the grapes, and pipe the crushed grapes
and juice into steel tanks. And they oversee the rest of the process
from fermentation, when yeast converts the grape's sugar into alcohol,
to filtering the wine and moving it into oak barrels to be aged.

At times, says Welton, this is dizzying work - literally. Not too long
ago, he recalls, he had to dig heavy heaps of stems from a huge
fermentation tank at St. Supéry - while wearing a lifeline to show
that he was not inhaling too much alcohol vapor.

Peak season for mashgichim like Welton is between August and January,
when most of the winemaking occurs. And, although a mashgiach need not
be on premises other than when the wine is being moved through the
process, mashgichim will occassionally return to inspect the wine as
it ages to ensure that it has not been touched by non-Jews.

But those wineries that wish to involve non-Jews in the process can
tap into a Talmudic ruling that makes this possible.

Rabbinic authorities decreed that wine, even if touched by non-Jews,
was fit for Jewish use so long as it was mevushal, or cooked. The idea
was, in part, that cooked wine is far less palatable and no one would
want to use it.

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Now Jeffrey, do what you do best- make personal attacks on me!

>
>JGB
>
>=====================================================================
>Jeffrey G. Brown jeff_...@bigfoot.com
> "What's going to happen?" "Something wonderful..." -- '2010'

Jeffrey G. Brown

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In article <34cd15bb....@news.tavish.net>, Scott "It's not a lie if I
pretend later that it was just a comment" Bradbury (doc_t...@bigfoot.com,
phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:

> On Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:49:30 -0500, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
> Brown) wrote:
>
> Jeffrey's subject title was:
> "Poor ol' gutless Scottie tries another brainless ploy (Oh the
> Incredibly Stupid Lies Keep Coming At Us!)"
>
> >In article <34cc0531...@news.flash.net>, Scott "Watch me lie again
> >about a web page that anyone can check! Being a moron is great!" Bradbury
> >(doc_t...@bigfoot.com, phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:
>
> It's a pity that someone has to go to these depths in order to smear
> and discredit someone.

I agree. One can only wonder why poor ol' gutless Scottie keeps descending
to the depths he does in an effort to smear and discredit the Jews -- but
if he prefers to be seen as pitiful, that's his privilege.

> [...deletia...]

> >> http://www.mcs.net/~kollel/www/halacha/fax210.html

> [...deletia...]

> >> Such food is referred to in Hebrew as bishul nochri or bishul akum. It
> >> is particularly important to bear this isuue in mind if one has a
> >> non-Jewish housekeeper or attendent [slave from the nations!] who
> >> takes part in household food preparation.
> >
> >> [...deletia...]
> >
> >> I have to add this one because it goes so well with the above. Just
> >> another example of Yids having a cob stuck up their ass!
>
> >Actually, this is just another example of Scott Bradbury lying out his ass.
> >The phrase "slave from the nations" in the above excerpt doesn't appear on
> >the original page referenced by poor ol' gutless Scottie. He has, in short,
> >lied about the contents of the web page in question.
>
> I usually put in brackets my added words Jeffrey!

Words were added to the quote from the page. I don't really care if the
brackets were square, round, or squiggly -- Scott Bradbury lied about the
contents of that page.

> If I wanted to pull
> a fast one such as you are currently accusing me of would I have
> provided the link to verify what I posted?

I have a rule about such things: "Never attribute to malice that which is
sufficiently explainable by stupidity".

> [...deletia...]

> I'll put exactly what they said below without my editorial comment and
> see if what they said comes across any less bigoted than what it is.

'Fraid not: Scottie's posts always come across as bigoted.

Joseph Hertzlinger

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In <34cd15bb....@news.tavish.net> doc_t...@nonspam.bigfoot.com
(Doc Tavish) writes:

>http://www.mcs.net/~kollel/www/halacha/fax210.html
>
>HALACHA ON - LINE
>
>In Memory of Rabbi Dov Ber Rosenblum z''l
>a dedicated Torah scholar whose greatest love was the study and
>clarification of Halacha
>
>Food Preparations, Part One vol.2 no.10
>
>In an effort to limit social mingling with our gentile neighbors and
>the intermarriage which might result, our sages prohibited eating food
>cooked by gentiles, even if all ingredients are kosher and the food is
>cooked in a kosher vessel while under the watchful eye of a Jewish
>supervisor.

Wait a minute! In the discussion on bestiality I thought you had
established the principle that if an act does not prevent a woman from
marrying a priest than it must be approved. Eating food cooked by a
gentile will not prevent a woman from marrying a priest.

>Another category excluded from this prohibition is that of foods that
>are not dignified enough to be served on shulchan melachim - literally
>the table of kings or practically, as a dish at a fancy dinner.

In other words, having dinner at the White House is prohibited, but
most foods cooked by gentiles are permitted.

In yet other words, most gentiles are not considered unclean or
defiled; only Bill Clinton is considered unclean or defiled.

Applying this principle to current events will be left as an exercise
for the reader. (Hmmmm... maybe eating some types of gentile stuff will
prevent a woman from marrying a priest.)

Herr Doktor Tavische

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On Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:30:34 -0500, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
Brown) wrote:

>In article <34cd15bb....@news.tavish.net>, Scott "It's not a lie if I
>pretend later that it was just a comment" Bradbury (doc_t...@bigfoot.com,
>phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:
>

>> On Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:49:30 -0500, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
>> Brown) wrote:
>>
>> Jeffrey's subject title was:
>> "Poor ol' gutless Scottie tries another brainless ploy (Oh the
>> Incredibly Stupid Lies Keep Coming At Us!)"
>>
>> >In article <34cc0531...@news.flash.net>, Scott "Watch me lie again
>> >about a web page that anyone can check! Being a moron is great!" Bradbury
>> >(doc_t...@bigfoot.com, phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:
>>
>> It's a pity that someone has to go to these depths in order to smear
>> and discredit someone.
>

>I agree. One can only wonder why poor ol' gutless Scottie keeps descending
>to the depths he does in an effort to smear and discredit the Jews -- but
>if he prefers to be seen as pitiful, that's his privilege.

>> [...deletia...]

Look below to see what Jeffrey cut out!

>> >> http://www.mcs.net/~kollel/www/halacha/fax210.html

>> [...deletia...]

Look below to see what Jeffrey cut out!

>> >> Such food is referred to in Hebrew as bishul nochri or bishul akum. It
>> >> is particularly important to bear this isuue in mind if one has a
>> >> non-Jewish housekeeper or attendent [slave from the nations!] who
>> >> takes part in household food preparation.
>> >
>> >> [...deletia...]
>> >
>> >> I have to add this one because it goes so well with the above. Just
>> >> another example of Yids having a cob stuck up their ass!
>>
>> >Actually, this is just another example of Scott Bradbury lying out his ass.
>> >The phrase "slave from the nations" in the above excerpt doesn't appear on
>> >the original page referenced by poor ol' gutless Scottie. He has, in short,
>> >lied about the contents of the web page in question.
>>
>> I usually put in brackets my added words Jeffrey!
>

>Words were added to the quote from the page. I don't really care if the

>brackets were square, round, or squiggly -- Scott Bradbury lied about the
>contents of that page.

>
>> If I wanted to pull
>> a fast one such as you are currently accusing me of would I have
>> provided the link to verify what I posted?

>I have a rule about such things: "Never attribute to malice that which is

>sufficiently explainable by stupidity".

>> [...deletia...]

You must be referring to your stupidity because you onece again did
not refute what I posted. You attacked me! You always make it personal
because you can't deny what your masters say! This is why you do the
[...deletia...] thing thinking it will make the truth go away. As I
find their bigotry I will post it.

>> I'll put exactly what they said below without my editorial comment and
>> see if what they said comes across any less bigoted than what it is.

>'Fraid not: Scottie's posts always come across as bigoted.

I usually do show the bigotry of Jews as well as the stubborness of
their Judases!

Lurkers: you decide if what I posted is bigoted. It's what the Jews
themselves wrote!

Herr Doktor Tavische

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Grace Notes

....by Warren Doud

Jews Attitude Toward the Gentiles

In conjunction with the study of several New Testament epistles, such
as the Epistle to Titus, this paper will give some insight into some
of the difficulties facing local church congregations of the early
church as they tried to come to grips with the great cultural
differences between Jews and Gentiles.

The first section is a quotation from from Alfred Edersheim, The Life
and Times of Jesus the Messiah.

"And then, as the proud Roman passed on the Sabbath through the
streets, Judaism would obtrude itself upon his notice, by the shops
that were shut, and by the strange figures that idly moved about in
holiday attire. They were strangers in a strange land, not only
without sympathy with what passed around, but with marked contempt and
abhorrence of it, while there was that about their whole bearing,
which expressed the unspoken feeling, that the time of Rome's fall,
and of their own supremacy, was at hand.

"To put the general feeling in the words of Tacitus, the Jews kept
close together, and were ever most liberal to one another; but they
were filled with bitter hatred of all others. They would neither eat
nor sleep with strangers; and the first thing which they taught their
proselytes was to despise the gods, to renounce their own country, and
to rend the bonds which had bound them to parents, children or
kindred...",

"To begin with, every Gentile child, so soon as born, was to be
regarded as unclean. Those [Gentiles] who actually worshipped
mountains, hills, bushes, etc, idolaters, should be cut down with the
sword. But as it was impossible to exterminate heathenism, Rabbinic
legislation kept certain definite objects in view, which may be
summarized:

•To prevent Jews from being inadvertently led into idolatry

•To avoid all participation in idolatry

•Not to do anything which might aid the heathen in their worship; and,
beyond all this...

•Not to give pleasure, or even help, to heathens. The latter involved
a most dangerous principle, capable of almost indefinite application
by fanaticism."

From the Talmudic Tractate Abhodah Zarah, on the subject of idolatry,
paraphrased - Even the Mishnah goes so far as to forbid aid to a
mother in the hour of her need, or nourishment to her babe, in order
not to bring up a child for idolatry. But this is not all. Heathens
were, indeed, not to be forced into danger, but yet not to be
delivered from it. "The best among the Gentiles, Kill; the best among
serpents, crush its head."

Still more terrible was the fanaticism which directed that heretics
and those who had left the Jewish faith should be thrown into actual
danger, or, if they were already in it, to remove any chance for them
to escape. No contact of any kind was to be had with such - not even
to call medical aid in case of danger to life, since it was deemed,
that he who had to do with heretics was in imminent peril of becoming
one himself, and that, if a heretic returned to the true faith, he
should die at once - partly to pay for his sin, and partly from fear
of relapse.

The Jew had a low estimate of the Gentile's character. The most vile
and unnatural crimes were imputed to Gentiles. They considered it not
safe to leave cattle in their charge, to allow their women to nurse
infants, or their physicians to attend the sick, nor to walk in their
company, without taking precautions against sudden attacks.

The Gentiles should, as far as possible, be altogether avoided, except
in cases of necessity or for the sake of business. They and theirs
were defiled; their houses unclean, as containing idols or things
dedicated to idols. Their feasts and their joyous occasions were
polluted by idolatry. You could not leave the room if a Gentile was in
it because he might, carelessly or on purpose, defile the wine or food
on the table, or the oil and wheat in the cupboard.

Under such circumstances, everything must be regarded as unclean.
Three days before a heathen festival, and three days after, all
business or contact with heathen was avoided, for fear of giving help
or pleasure. Jews were to avoid passing through a city where there was
an idolatrous feast - nay, they were not even to sit down within the
shadow of a tree dedicated to idol-worship. Such a tree's wood was
polluted; if it was used in cooking, the bread was unclean; if a
shuttle of a loom had been made from it, all the cloth woven on it was
forbidden. In addition, if such cloth had been mixed with other pieces
of cloth, or if a garment made with it had been placed with other
garments, all of the garments became unclean.

Jewish workmen were not to help in building basilicas, stadiums, or
places where judicial sentences were pronounced by the heathen. If was
not lawful to rent houses or sell cattle to Gentiles. Milk drawn by a
heathen, if a Jew had not been present to watch it, bread and oil
prepared by them, were unlawful. Their wine was wholly forbidden; the
mere touch of a heathen polluted a whole cask of wine. Even to smell
of heathen wine was forbidden! If wine had been dedicated to an idol,
it defiled a man to carry on a stick even an olive's weight of it.
Other wine, if prepared by a heathen, was prohibited for personal use
and for trading. Wine prepared by a Jew, however, which had been
deposited in the custody of a Gentile, was prohibited for personal
use, but it was permitted to sell it.

Herr Doktor Tavische

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94b

1.SENDING A "YERECH" TO A NON-JEW
媛uestion: According to Abayye and Rava, the Braissa tells us that one
may send a non-Jew a full or cut Yerech in a place where they don't
announce the presence of Neveilos, or where it was announced that a
Neveilah is present in the market today. Why don't we prohibit the
sale for the two reasons mentioned earlier in the Sugya (beginning of
94a) in explanation of the Mishnah which prohibits such a sale, that
is, either that a Jew watching the non-Jew receive a Yerech from a Jew
will feel free to buy the Yerech from the non-Jew that received it, or
that the Jew is fooling the non-Jew into thinking that he received a
kosher piece of meat?

柊nswer:
a.RASHI (DH Gezeirah) explains that this Braissa argues with the
Mishnah and is not worried about watchful Jewish buyers (nor about
fooling a non-Jew) when sending meat to a non-Jew's house as a
personal present b.TOSFOS (DH Amar) suggests that Abayye and Rava
understood our Mishnah differently -- as did the first answer of the
Gemara on 94a. They learned that the Mishnah was dealing with a market
in which the presence of Nevelos was not announced. As for fooling a
non-Jew, letting the non-Jew think it is kosher meat is prohibited
only in a sale, in which the non-Jew thought that he was paying for
one thing, and received another thing, but not when sending the
non-Jew a present. c.RABBENU TAM (quoted in the same Tosfos) explains
that we are only afraid a Jew will repurchase the meat, or that the
non-Jew will be fooled, when the Jew who sends him the meat specifies
that it is kosher (and it really is not). This is what happened in the
Mishnah's case. The Braissa is allowing one to send a Yerech to a
non-Jew only when you do not specify to him that it is kosher.

2.HALACHAH: GENEIVAS DA'AS
媛uestion: The Gemara explains that we do Hachrazah by saying that
there is meat available for non-Jewish butchers to buy. The Gemara
then asks why we do not specifically mention that the meat is a
Treifah, to which the Gemara replies that the butchers would not buy
the meat if they were told that it was from a Treifah. The Gemara
asks, if so we are misleading them by not mentioning the fact that it
is a Treifah, and it answers that the buyers are misleading
themselves.

Why, then, was it prohibited to open a barrel of wine which was sold
to a storekeeper, for a guest (94a)? If the guest thinks that you are
wasting an entire barrel on him, he is just misleading himself?

柊nswer:
a.RASHI (DH Inhu) explains that it is only prohibited to open a barrel
for a guest if one lies to the guest and tells him that the barrel is
being opened solely in honor of the guest.

b.TOSFOS (DH Inhu) explains that it all depends on the likelihood
involved. In the case of opening barrels, there is no reason to assume
that these barrels were sold to a dealer. Therefoe, if he opened them
and gave his guest wine without mentioning that they were sold he is
misleading the guest. However, in a case where there are reasonable
grounds to assume a fact, it does not have to be spelled out. That is
why when a Jew publicizes that he has meat for a non-Jewish butcher to
buy, he does not have to spell out any more.

The SHULCHAN ARUCH (Choshen Mishpat 228:6) rules that one is not
allowed to mislead his friend into thinking that he did something for
him if he did not. For example: He should not plead with his friend to
eat with him if he knows that his friend has no intention of eating by
him... but if it is an act that his friend should realize was not done
for him, he is not obliged to tell the friend.

(The Damesek Eliezer adds that if a person has an enemy, he may
falsely impress him in order to make peace -- see Bava Metzia 87a.)
-ZW

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Look at my subject title!
"Still Even More Jews Imply That Gentiles are Unclean or Defiled.
(They Give Non-Jews Food to Eat That They Won't Eat!)"

The following will lead you to believe that Gentiles are getting table
scraps just like we would carry out to a dog! In other words; It's not
"clean" enough for Jews but it is okay for Gentiles!

http://uscj.org/metny/huntinhh/sell.html

Mechirat Chametz

The Selling of Chametz

The Jewish law prohibits the use or legal possession of any Chametz,
leaven of any kind, on Passover. In order to be certain that all
Chametz has been removed from our possession, Jewish tradition
requires us to sell our remaining Chametz to a non-Jew. This Chametz,
then, becomes the property of the non-Jew for the duration of Passover
and should be set aside in a place in one's home that will be unused
during Passover.

The authorization of the right to sell Chametz can be granted to
another. In order to symbolize that one is transferring the authority
to sell, it is customary to make a token monetary transfer. The money
contributed will be used to provide needy families with Passover
necessities.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

yvette

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Again, this is just to make sure that the utensils are Kosher. It has
nothing to do with Non-Jew utensils being unclean.

--
To all:
I am unable to check my email regularly, so if you wish to respond to something I've said, please simply post a message, as I do check groups regularly. Thank you, and God bless.

yvette

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>
> The following will lead you to believe that Gentiles are getting table
> scraps just like we would carry out to a dog! In other words; It's not
> "clean" enough for Jews but it is okay for Gentiles!
>

> The Jewish law prohibits the use or legal possession of any Chametz,
> leaven of any kind, on Passover. In order to be certain that all
> Chametz has been removed from our possession, Jewish tradition
> requires us to sell our remaining Chametz to a non-Jew. This Chametz,
> then, becomes the property of the non-Jew for the duration of Passover
> and should be set aside in a place in one's home that will be unused
> during Passover.

You don't know what you're talking about. On Passover, Jews can't eat
anything that is not deamed "Kosher for Passover", to honor Moses and the
Jews in the desert who didn't have any flour to cook their bread. So,
during that week, they empty their house of anything that has any kind of
flour, or anything not labeled Kosher for Passover. This ISN'T table
scraps. It's just any kind of boxed (good) food that isn't Kosher for
Passover; stuff like soups, cookies, crackers, ect. That's the
definition of Chametz. Now, rather than all that good food go to waste,
they sell the food and give the money to families who can't afford Kosher
for Passover food (it is moderately expensive).

Jeffrey G. Brown

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In article <34ce6c4c....@news.flash.net>, Scott "Duuuuhhhh... what do
'thread' mean?" Bradbury (doc_t...@bigfoot.com, phi...@phoenix.net)
wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:30:34 -0500, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
> Brown) wrote:

> [...deletia...]

> >I agree. One can only wonder why poor ol' gutless Scottie keeps descending
> >to the depths he does in an effort to smear and discredit the Jews -- but
> >if he prefers to be seen as pitiful, that's his privilege.
>
> >> [...deletia...]
>
> Look below to see what Jeffrey cut out!

Non-morons know how to use the threading function of their newsreaders. I
guess we know which market segment poor ol' gutless Scottie is aiming
for...

> [...deletia...]

> >I have a rule about such things: "Never attribute to malice that which is
> >sufficiently explainable by stupidity".
>
> >> [...deletia...]
>
> You must be referring to your stupidity because you onece again did
> not refute what I posted. You attacked me!

One does not "refute" cut'n'pasted text. One need merely point out that it
does not support the preordained conclusions of the bigot doing the
cut'n'pasting.

On the other hand, one is supposed to laugh at clowns. So long as poor ol'
gutless Scottie continues to parade around Usenet with his big red nose and
hitting himself in the face with the ASCII equivalent of cream pie after
cream pie, he will continue to be ridiculed.

Jeffrey G. Brown

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In article <34ce6e13....@news.flash.net>, Scott "What it says isn't
important. It means what I say it means!" Bradbury (doc_t...@bigfoot.com,
phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:

> http://www.pair.com/rainbow/grace/grace062.html
>
> Grace Notes
>
> ....by Warren Doud
>
> Jews Attitude Toward the Gentiles
>
> In conjunction with the study of several New Testament epistles, such
> as the Epistle to Titus, this paper will give some insight into some
> of the difficulties facing local church congregations of the early
> church as they tried to come to grips with the great cultural
> differences between Jews and Gentiles.

That's all very fascinating, but of course what we have here is poor ol'
gutless Scottie again taking observations made thousands of years ago and
pretending that nothing has changed. Exactly how these historical
observations are to be taken as typical of the modern-day Jew is not
addressed by our favorite grade-school dropout.

You know, white Europeans once believed that the sun orbited the Earth. I
guess that we can all assume that poor ol' gutless Scottie doesn't know any
better. After all, he can't be any different from his ancestors of
generations ago, can he?

> [...deletia...]

> "...But as it was impossible to exterminate heathenism, Rabbinic

> legislation kept certain definite objects in view, which may be
> summarized:

> [...deletia...]

> •Not to give pleasure, or even help, to heathens. The latter involved
> a most dangerous principle, capable of almost indefinite application
> by fanaticism."

Here is the key, of course -- what is being discussed is the application of
Jewish law and custom _by fanatics_. Of course there are Jewish fanatics.
But to assume that their views are typical of Jews _in toto_ is as
logically indefensible as -- oh, I don't know, assuming that all residents
of Texas are as bereft of moral probity as Scott Bradbury has shown himself
to be.

> [...deletia...]

> The Jew had a low estimate of the Gentile's character. The most vile
> and unnatural crimes were imputed to Gentiles.

Sounds like a fairly reasonable view to hold, in light of the observed
behavior of one Scott Bradbury.

Jeffrey G. Brown

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In article <34ce710e....@news.flash.net>, Scott "Any document that
mentions Jews and non-Jews just has to prove my point! Why should I bother

Let's see... poor ol' gutless Scottie is trying to convince us that Jews
are "racist" because they are worried that they might misrepresent the
quality of a gift of meat sent to a Gentile friend. Wait a minute... how
exactly is it that a "racist Jew" would even _have_ a Gentile friend?

Everyone who really believes that poor ol' gutless Scottie even reads this
stuff before he pastes it in, applaud now.

<< SFX: crickets >>

That's what I thought.

David Gehrig

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yvette wrote:

> You don't know what you're talking about.

That's par for the "Doc Tavish" course. He isn't the sort of guy who
lets facts get in the way of a good Jew-bashing rant.

@%<

Jeffrey G. Brown

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In article <34ce724f....@news.flash.net>,
doc_t...@nonspam.bigfoot.com wrote:

> Look at my subject title!
> "Still Even More Jews Imply That Gentiles are Unclean or Defiled.
> (They Give Non-Jews Food to Eat That They Won't Eat!)"
>

> The following will lead you to believe that Gentiles are getting table
> scraps just like we would carry out to a dog! In other words; It's not
> "clean" enough for Jews but it is okay for Gentiles!
>

> http://uscj.org/metny/huntinhh/sell.html
>
> Mechirat Chametz
>
> The Selling of Chametz
>

> The Jewish law prohibits the use or legal possession of any Chametz,
> leaven of any kind, on Passover. In order to be certain that all
> Chametz has been removed from our possession, Jewish tradition
> requires us to sell our remaining Chametz to a non-Jew. This Chametz,
> then, becomes the property of the non-Jew for the duration of Passover
> and should be set aside in a place in one's home that will be unused
> during Passover.
>

> The authorization of the right to sell Chametz can be granted to
> another. In order to symbolize that one is transferring the authority
> to sell, it is customary to make a token monetary transfer. The money
> contributed will be used to provide needy families with Passover
> necessities.

Of course, anyone who comprehends the meaning of this passage better than a
grade-school dropout will realize instantly that poor ol' gutless Scottie
is simply talking out of his ass -- again.

"Chametz", or leaven, is defined as "anything made from any kind of grain
(wheat, barley, rye, oats, and spelt) that has not been completely cooked
within 18 minutes after coming into contact with water" (see
<http://judaism.miningco.com/library/weekly/aa040997.htm>). It is removed
from Jewish homes during Passover to commemorate the great haste with which
the Jews had to leave Egypt after Pharoah freed them -- such haste, in
fact, that the Jews had not even time to finish baking their bread. During
the rest of the year, chametz is freely used in traditional Jewish cuisine
-- thus putting the lie to poor ol' gutless Scottie's claims that it is
considered 'not "clean" enough for Jews' and that Jews 'won't eat' it.

The only thing "implied" -- nay, proven beyond doubt -- by this exercise is
that Scott Bradbury is a lying bigot of heretofore undreamed-of turpitude.
Let us observe him carefully, friends, that we may mark well how blind
unreasoning tendentiousness can so easily lead a man to make a jackass of
himself in full view of his fellows.

Herr Doktor Tavische

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http://www.anshe.org/kmikveh.htm

Tevilas Keylim

1. Why do we immerse our new utensils in a Mikvah? Parshas Mattos,
(31:23)
"Everything that would not come in the fire, you shall pass through
water."

2. What needs immersion?
Any vessel used in food preparation that was acquired from a non-Jew.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If there is any doubt whether it was acquired from a non-Jew or from a
Jew, it should be immersed without a blessing.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If it was acquired from a Jew and you know it was not immersed, then
it also needs immersion with a blessing.

3. What kind of utensils need immersion?
Any utensil that comes in contact with the food during its processing
or its presentation, whether hot or cold, no matter how large or small
in size.

4. What materials are the utensils made of?
Any type of metal, including aluminum, and glass. These two types of
utensils need immersion even if they are covered, i.e., with Teflon.
Corningware and Corelle are immersed without a blessing. Glazed china
is not immersed, according to Rav Moshe Feinstein.

5. What items don't need immersion:

•Wood
•Bone
•Earthenware
•Plastic (Melmac, Nylon)
•Rubber
•Disposable Utensils -- if used for a short time -- like aluminum foil
pans

6. Immersion must be done in a kosher mikvah, like the Keylim Mikvah
at Anshe Emes.

An international directory of Mikvahs is available from ----------,
and you can call the Mikvah in your city for more information.

7. How should immersion be done?

•You only need to immerse the item once, although some people have
customs to do more.
•You must immerse the entire vessel at one time.
•Covers and handles need to be immersed.
•The utensil must be clean. Be careful about labels.
•While standing, hold the utensil in your stronger hand.
•Recite the blessing:
•"al tevilas keylim." (for more than one)
•"al tevilas kli" (for just one)
•Immerse the utensil while holding the utensil so that the water can
enter the entire surface area, including the area being held
•Don't talk during immersion

8. You may not use a utensil that requires immersion and has not yet
been immersed.

9. You may not immerse a utensil on Shabbos or Yom Tov.

10. For specifics on which items need immersion, and whether they
require a blessing or not, please see the attached list.

Anshe Emes Synagogue, Los Angeles, CA 90035

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Tell me if all the above Pharasaic clap trap isn't what Jesus was
ridiculing in Mark 7: 1-23.

Mark 7:1-23 (English-RSV)
1 Now when the Pharisees gathered together to him, with some of the
scribes, who had come from Jerusalem,
2 they saw that some of his disciples ate with hands defiled, that is,
unwashed.
3 (For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, do not eat unless they wash
their hands, observing the tradition of the elders;
4 and when they come from the market place, they do not eat unless
they purify themselves; and there are many other traditions which they
observe, the washing of cups and pots and vessels of bronze.)
5 And the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, "Why do your disciples
not live according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with hands
defiled?"
6 And he said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as
it is written, 'This people honors me with their lips, but their heart
is far from me;
7 in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of
men.'
8 You leave the commandment of God, and hold fast the tradition of
men."
9 And he said to them, "You have a fine way of rejecting the
commandment of God, in order to keep your tradition!
10 For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother'; and, 'He who
speaks evil of father or mother, let him surely die';
11 but you say, 'If a man tells his father or his mother, What you
would have gained from me is Corban' (that is, given to God) --
12 then you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or
mother,
13 thus making void the word of God through your tradition which you
hand on. And many such things you do."
14 And he called the people to him again, and said to them, "Hear me,
all of you, and understand:
15 there is nothing outside a man which by going into him can defile
him; but the things which come out of a man are what defile him."
16 _
17 And when he had entered the house, and left the people, his
disciples asked him about the parable.
18 And he said to them, "Then are you also without understanding? Do
you not see that whatever goes into a man from outside cannot defile
him,
19 since it enters, not his heart but his stomach, and so passes on?"
(Thus he declared all foods clean.)
20 And he said, "What comes out of a man is what defiles a man.
21 For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts,
fornication, theft, murder, adultery,
22 coveting, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, envy, slander, pride,
foolishness.
23 All these evil things come from within, and they defile a man."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Please note that I did not add one word or phrase to the above
scriptures! The "(Thus he declared all foods clean.)" is in the actual
text!

Herr Doktor Tavische

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Subject: Burial of Non-Jew in a Jewish Cemetary

From: Richard Schachet <lvr...@accessnv.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 22:08:40 -0800
Subject: Burial of Non-Jew in a Jewish Cemetary

Chevra-

I have a question to throw out to all of you, and frankly I am looking
for advice.

Received a phone call from a man yesterday. He tells me he is
Christian, his deceased wife was Jewish. She is buried in a cemetery
in Michigan. The cemetery laws say only Jews can be buried there and
he wants to be next to his wife when his time comes.

I suggested he take her remains and move them to Las Vegas. No he
didn't want to do this.

I think he wants to convert but only for reasons of the cemetery. This
of course I can't and won't do.

Any suggestions. The only thing I can think of is to refer him to a
Liberal Rabbi in Michigan. Any thoughts here?

Rabbi Richard Schachet
http://www.infodoc.com/vos
(temporarily off line)

=====================================

From: Amnon Wolman <am...@nwu.edu>
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 13:25:41 -0600
Subject: Burial of Non-Jew in a Jewish Cemetary

Rabbi Richard Schachet facing the difficult dilemma of a man who loves
his wife so deeply that in order to be next to her when his time to
depart this world comes , is willing to convert, to accept his wife's
religion. Isn't it a wonderful act of Avodat Hashem? Isn't love, true
love, what we are here for to learn and express? Maybe his wife,
through her death gives the man an opportunity to get closer to God.
And maybe through the conversion and Judaism he will find this path.
We say " Nistarot darkei haEl", mysterious are the ways of the Divine,
and we really do not know the way the Divine work. It seems to me God
is asking you to convert the man and leave the rest to Her/Him. God
give you the opportunity to do a mitzvah and it is your free will
to decide whether or not to accept it. With God's help and a good
in-tuition I'm sure you'll do the right thing.

Good luck and be blessed, Eyal Levinson

=======================================================

From: Stephen Berr <st...@bee.net>
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 06:36:43 -0800
Subject: Burial of Non-Jew in a Jewish Cemetary

> I think he wants to convert but only for reasons of the cemetery.
> This of course I can't and won't do.

I would ask several questions. Why was the wife buried in a Jewish
cemetery? Perhaps she led her life (although married to a non-Jew) as
a Jew? Perhaps she wanted to be buried with her family? Now this man
wants to "rest" next to his wife. I think that's great! Why not
convert for the reason of cemetery? There is more than cemetery here,
there is love for a wife. This is not a person who is converting to
get a set of dishes, or to be able to have a party. The level of
kavanah is high, and I think that it's cruel and sad to deny the man
an opportunity to feel (in life) that he will be rest (after his
death) next to his life partner.

After writing most of this I called some of the local cemeteries and
funeral parlors. The response was heartening and disheartening at the
same time. I was told that the burial would be possible if a Rabbi
performed the ceremony.

Following up on that I called the Philadelphia Board of Rabbis, and
was put in touch with a Rabbi who gave me the Conservative viewpoint.
I know that rules made by one Jewish group have no bearing on another
group, but here is the response (based on Talmudic interpretations
according to the Rabbi) to whit: a non-Jewish person can be buried in
a Jewish cemetery if a separation (low hedge, concrete marker, etc) is
placed around the grave "separating" it from the Jewish graves so that
it is (technically) not _in_ the Jewish cemetery. I was amused at this
fiction, and it brought me back to my original feeling, that if this
person wanted to be converted, then what was the harm? Some
might say it is more worthwhile to live as a Jew than die as a Jew,
but that's almost the mirror punchline of a joke.

Speaking of jokes, here is one of my favorite jokes. It also happens
to closely pertain to this very topic:

Son to father on death-bed: "Dad, where do you want to be buried? Down
here in Florida, or up north next to Mom?"

Father: "Why don't you surprise me."

========================================================

From: mshu...@ix.netcom.com (Moshe Shulman)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 15:33:24 -0800
Subject: Re: Burial of Non-Jew in a Jewish Cemetary

Richard, it seems that he is not willing to take into consideration
what Judaism teaches on such subjects. Why should you compromise your
beliefs by getting someone else to do what you wouldn't when he seems
unwilling to compromise?

Moshe Shulman
mshu...@ix.netcom.com

=========================

More of this discrimination even in death at the site!

How did you all like the "talmudic ruling" as declared above that
said: "... here is the response (based on Talmudic interpretations
according to the Rabbi) to whit: a non-Jewish person can be buried in
a Jewish cemetery if a separation (low hedge, concrete marker, etc) is
placed around the grave "separating" it from the Jewish graves so that
it is (technically) not _in_ the Jewish cemetery."

I am telling you all that this is the most racist tribe there is on
Earth. Notice in USENET you see the liberals ridiculing people and
calling them racist bigots because they don't believe whites and
balcks should get married BUT to the Jew it is only Jew versus Gentile
and the Gentile can be any color!

Herr Doktor Tavische

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SELLING THE CHAMETZ

Since it is prohibited to possess chametz on Pesach,
it must be sold to a non-Jew. This goes for all
chametz that will not be eaten or burned before
Pesach and all chametz utensils that will not be
thoroughly cleaned by then. These are stored away in
closets or rooms while preparing for Pesach.

The storage area is locked or tape-shut the closets
or rooms, and they are leased to the non-Jew at the
time of the sale.

Since there are many legal intricacies in this sale,
only a competent rabbi should be entrusted with its
execution. The rabbi acts as our agent both to sell
the chametz to the non-Jew on the morning before
Pesach starts and also to buy it back the evening
after Pesach ends.

Before Passover one must get rid of all Chametz
(Leaven).

Locking your chametz away and giving your LOR (Local
Observant Rabbi) this form (signed by you ) is an
easy way of observing one of the most important laws
in the Torah.

Please remember that chametz which remains in the
possession of a Jew over Pesach may not be used,
eaten, bought or sold even after Pesach.

-----------------

DELEGATION OF POWER
OR SALE OF CHAMETZ

I, the undersigned, fully empower and permit
Rabbi _________________ to act in my place and stead,
and on my behalf to sell all Chametz possessed by me,
knowingly or unknowingly as defined by the Torah and
Rabbinic Law (e.g. Chametz, possible Chametz, and all
kinds of Chametz mixtures).

Also Chametz that tends to harden and adhere to inside
surfaces of pans, pots, or cooking utensils, the
utensils themselves, and all kinds of live animals
and pets that have been eating Chametz and mixtures
thereof.

Rabbi ________________ is also empowered to lease all
places wherein the Chametz owned by me may be found,
particularly at the address/es listed below, and
elsewhere.

Rabbi __________________ has full right to appoint any
agent or substitute in his stead and said substitute
shall have full right to sell and lease as provided
herein.

Rabbi _________________ also has the full power and
right to act as he deems fit and proper in accordance
with all the details of the Bill of Sale used in the
transaction to sell all my Chametz, Chametz mixtures,
etc., as provided herein.

This power is in conformity with all Torah, Rabbinic
and Civil laws.

Signed: ______________________________________________

Date: ______________

Name: ________________________________________________

Address/es: __________________________________________

______________________________________________________

City/ State/ Zip Country: ____________________________

______________________________________________________

Cut at the line and give the above form to your LOR
BEFORE Pesach.

Herr Doktor Tavische

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Dear all,

Question: Does a student who will be going home for Pesach [and has
already sold their student digs to a non-Jew (via a Rabbi)] need to
clear out the Chametz (leaven) from their student digs?

Answer: I asked Rabbi Rubin of South Manchester Synagogue, who
consulted Dayan Lichtenstein and concluded that:

Ideally, one should clear one's student digs of Chametz before
Pesach (without a Berachah (Blessing)); but if one didn't do so, one
is not guilty of sinning.

The solution proposed for students is to search for and totally
clear out Chametz from ONE CORNER of one's bedroom in the student
digs, without a Berachah.

Chag Kasher VeSameyach (Happy Pesach)

Howie

Herr Doktor Tavische

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The Chametz Contract

Our Rabbis have instituted another practical way of assuring that we
are Chametz-free...

We may give the power of attorney over all Chametz in our possession
to the Rabbi. He in turn sells the Chametz to a non-Jew for the eight
days of Passover. (Of course, he is good enough to buy it back for us
after Passover.) The sale is legally binding, although it is unlikely
that the non-Jew will collect his goods. Since it binding in the lower
court, it is binding in the Higher court.

Below please find a contract for your convenience.

Herr Doktor Tavische

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Prohibition of Chometz

On Pesach it is prohibited to possess chametz (leaven). All chametz
that will not be eaten or burned before Pesach must be sold to a
non-Jew. All chametz utensils that will not be thoroughly cleaned by
then, and are stored away in closets or rooms while preparing for
Pesach. The storage area is locked or tape-shut, and leased to a

non-Jew at the time of the sale.

There are many legal intricacies in this sale, thus, only a competent

rabbi should be entrusted with its execution. The rabbi acts as our
agent both to sell the chametz to the non-Jew on the morning before
Pesach starts and also to buy it back the evening after Pesach ends.

Locking your chametz away and giving your LOR (Local Observant Rabbi)
the Chametz Contract (signed by you) is an easy way of observing one

of the most important laws in the Torah.

Chametz which remains in the possession of a Jew over Pesach may not

Joseph Hertzlinger

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Are you unable to tell the difference between a racial distinction and
a religious distinction?

BTW, I'm still waiting for an answer to question: "If Jews are racist,
which race?"

Jerry Abbott

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However, the Pharaoh is dead, the Jews are in control of the media and
the government, and the gentiles get to buy the doughy, uncooked items
at the Jewish bake sales. Whoopie. I suppose as long as they don't
actually starve us (they control world agriculture too) so bad that we
must buy the stuff, it's ok.

Jerry Abbott

Jeffrey G. Brown

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In article <34CED2B4...@ix.netcom.com>, Clueless Jerry Abbott
<j...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> However, the Pharaoh is dead, the Jews are in control of the media and
> the government, and the gentiles get to buy the doughy, uncooked items
> at the Jewish bake sales.

Really? When have you seen uncooked items for sale at a "Jewish bake sale",
O Clueless One?

abarker

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This whole thing is written by ignorant people, also, not that I am so
smart.
The halacha is the a goy is not to be buried in a Jewish cemetary for a
couple of reasons. One reason is that the soul has many levels and that
the source of Jewish souls is different from that of non Jewish souls.
Also, there is different nationalities of the body and the lower levels
of the soul (spirit) are attached to the body and and would be out of
place amongst another nation. In addition, a Jew who doesn.t keep the
Torah is not allowed to be buried amongst those that do. Even among
Jews who keep the Torah, the righteous should be buried in close
physical proximity to other righteous ones. And so on and so on.
Listen folks, halacha (Jewish law) is Jewish law. You can like it or
hate it, but don't try to change it. Don't try to tell the Pope what
Catholicism should be. If you don't like something, don't be a part of
that religion. DON'T bash it though if you don't know what you are
talking about.

Avraham Barker

Real Name

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Jerry Abbott (working without his partner Costello) wrote in message
<34CED2B4...@ix.netcom.com>...

>However, the Pharaoh is dead, the Jews are in control of the media and
>the government, and the gentiles get to buy the doughy, uncooked items

>at the Jewish bake sales. Whoopie. I suppose as long as they don't
>actually starve us (they control world agriculture too) so bad that we
>must buy the stuff, it's ok.
>
>Jerry Abbott

Jerry,
Stay off the doughy, uncooked items "Bud". You should eat fish daily. You
see, Jerry, fish is "brain food" and you need all the help you can get.

abarker

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Herr Doktor Tavische wrote:
>
> Look at my subject title!
> "Still Even More Jews Imply That Gentiles are Unclean or Defiled.
> (They Give Non-Jews Food to Eat That They Won't Eat!)"
>
> The following will lead you to believe that Gentiles are getting table
> scraps just like we would carry out to a dog! In other words; It's not
> "clean" enough for Jews but it is okay for Gentiles!
>
> http://uscj.org/metny/huntinhh/sell.html
>
> Mechirat Chametz
>
> The Selling of Chametz
>
> The Jewish law prohibits the use or legal possession of any Chametz,
> leaven of any kind, on Passover. In order to be certain that all
> Chametz has been removed from our possession, Jewish tradition
> requires us to sell our remaining Chametz to a non-Jew. This Chametz,
> then, becomes the property of the non-Jew for the duration of Passover
> and should be set aside in a place in one's home that will be unused
> during Passover.
>
> The authorization of the right to sell Chametz can be granted to
> another. In order to symbolize that one is transferring the authority
> to sell, it is customary to make a token monetary transfer. The money
> contributed will be used to provide needy families with Passover
> necessities.
>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
If you believe the subject title, then you are truly pathetic.

1) There is a biblical prohibition for Jews to have chametz (leaven) in
their possesion during Passover.
2) Jews sell any leaven that they have BEFORE passover.
3) The gentile may eat it if he wishes.
4) In most cases, the Jew wants to buy it back from the gentile after
Passover.
5) The gentile makes a profit off of the deal.
6) The Jew loses money off of the deal, a self sacrifice for following
religious law.

7) I'd like to see a gentile live like an Orthodox Jew for a year. Now
THAT would be a sight to see!!!

Avraham Barker

Richard G. Philllips

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=============================================
Phillips

As for the rule that a non-Jew cannot be buried in Jewish cemetery, I
can think of one exception. The great gunfighter Wyatt Earp was buried
in a Jewish cemetary along with his Jewish wife.
================================================

Jeffrey G. Brown

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In article <34cfd1e0....@news.flash.net>, Scott "I'll take the lazy
way out and flood the newsgroup with the same crap over and over and over
and over and over and..." Bradbury (doc_t...@bigfoot.com,
phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:

> I wish I could take the lazy way out and just limit myself to making
> infantile insults rather than seriously trying to prove my point.

Hmmm... since when did posting and reposting and re-reposting the same spam
over and over constitute "proving a point" -- especially when poor ol'
gutless Scottie's conclusions (for lack of a better term) aren't supported
by the material he posts without having read?

> [...deletia...]

> I only posted what they, themselves, wrote and declared on public
> Internet sites. Why do you alwways have the compunction to delete
> those words?

Because they're already available -- on the original sites (where one
frequently finds words that poor ol' gutless Scottie left out because they
directly contradict his thesis), on news servers around the world, and in
archives such as Deja News. I feel no need to repost The Gutless One's spew
for him -- he'll do that soon enough, in the benighted belief that
repetition equals proof.

> >> >> [...deletia...]
> >>
> >> Look below to see what Jeffrey cut out!
>

> >Non-morons know how to use the threading function of their newsreaders. I

> >guess we know which market segment poor ol' gutless Scottie is aiming
> >for...
>
> You know what I am getting at. You're flooding DejaNews with your
> snip'n'trash posts. When my post expires your's still shows in the ng.

That's because I usually post _after_ poor ol' gutless Scottie does, and
later posts expire later than earlier ones. Looks like poor ol' gutless
Scottie is having problems with the concept of linear time, too.

> [...deletia...]

> >One does not "refute" cut'n'pasted text. One need merely point out that it
> >does not support the preordained conclusions of the bigot doing the
> >cut'n'pasting.
>

> I don't have any preordained conclusions.

Now _that's_ a crock of unrefined shit if ever there was one.

> Show me how Jews aren't showing religious bigotry in what they write.

Not my job. If poor ol' gutless Scottie wants to demonstrate that Jews are
"showing religious bigotry in what they write", he's got to provide the
evidence.

He _will_ find religious bigotry being expressed by _some_ Jews -- that's a
given, as Jews are just as human as the rest of us. What he _won't_ find is
some overarching proof that _all_ Jews are bigoted, despite his evident
desire to do so. It doesn't matter how many articles written by Jews he
posts; each one is still the work of a single Jew, and proves nothing about
any other Jew on the planet.

Scottie has this little problem with individual responsibility, you see:
he's unable to take any personal responsibility for anything he does, so he
just can't imagine how anyone else can be personally responsible, either.

> You attack me and I am only one person!

No! Really? Then why has poor ol' gutless Scottie used over five dozen
pseudonyms since he started posting on Usenet -- and never, to my
knowledge, signed a single post with his own name?

> [...deletia...]

> Show us that you can do far more than making personal
> smears against individuals that you immensely dislike.

That's a good one. I'll file that one away for the next time poor ol'
gutless Scottie starts accusing me of being a homosexual. It'll be great
fun to throw that quote back in his face.

> [...deletia...]

> In an effort to limit social mingling with our gentile neighbors and
> the intermarriage which might result, our sages prohibited eating food
> cooked by gentiles, even if all ingredients are kosher and the food is
> cooked in a kosher vessel while under the watchful eye of a Jewish
> supervisor.

Those are the words of one -- count 'em, one! -- Jew. No other Jew on the
planet is responsible for those words.

> [...deletia...]

> In our last issue we introduced the laws of bishul nochri .
> We received certain questions regarding the common practice of kosher
> caterers and commercial food producers. The following additional
> guidelines provide significant insight into the halachic basis for
> food preperation involving significant amounts of cooking by nochrim .

Those are the words of one -- count 'em, one! -- Jew. No other Jew on the
planet is responsible for those words.

> [...deletia...]

> But the law regarding wine extracts another, more pressing, demand: It
> cannot be handled by non-Jews.

Those are the words of one -- count 'em, one! -- Jew. No other Jew on the
planet is responsible for those words.

> [...deletia...]

> If it was acquired from a Jew and you know it was not immersed, then
> it also needs immersion with a blessing.

Those are the words of one -- count 'em, one! -- Jew. No other Jew on the
planet is responsible for those words.

> [...deletia...]

> In such cases there are grounds for certain ways of getting a non-Jew
> to perform what would otherwise be a violation of Shabbos.

> [...deletia...]

Those are the words of one -- count 'em, one! -- Jew. No other Jew on the
planet is responsible for those words.

> [...deletia...]

> >On the other hand, one is supposed to laugh at clowns. So long as poor ol'
> >gutless Scottie continues to parade around Usenet with his big red nose and
> >hitting himself in the face with the ASCII equivalent of cream pie after
> >cream pie, he will continue to be ridiculed.
>

> See Jeffrey, this is all you know how to do- ridicule!

When poor ol' gutless Scottie learns how to do something other than making
an ass of himself with every post, perhaps I'll find the time to learn to
do something other than laugh at him.

Jeffrey G. Brown

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In article <34ce77e2....@news.flash.net>, Scott "They don't always
agree? Tough -- I'm going to pretend they do anyway!" Bradbury
(doc_t...@bigfoot.com, phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:

> More of this discrimination even in death at the site!

> [...deletia...]

> I am telling you all that this is the most racist tribe there is on Earth.

Amazing! Poor ol' gutless Scottie now knows the opinion of every Jew on
Earth on this issue -- and all from reading just FOUR messages! And the
authors of those messages didn't even agree with each other.

I sure do wish I had poor ol' gutless Scottie's ability to draw absolute
conclusions from contradictory data. Life must be a lot easier when one
doesn't have to deal with trifles like reality.

Jeffrey G. Brown

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In article <34ce7e39....@news.flash.net>, Scott "If it's not in
there, I'll see it anyway!" Bradbury (doc_t...@bigfoot.com,
phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:

> http://www.chabad.org/pesach/contract.txt
>
> SELLING THE CHAMETZ
>

> Since it is prohibited to possess chametz on Pesach,
> it must be sold to a non-Jew. This goes for all

> chametz that will not be eaten or burned before

> Pesach and all chametz utensils that will not be
> thoroughly cleaned by then. These are stored away in

> closets or rooms while preparing for Pesach.
>

> The storage area is locked or tape-shut the closets

> or rooms, and they are leased to the non-Jew at the
> time of the sale.
>
> Since there are many legal intricacies in this sale,

> only a competent rabbi should be entrusted with its
> execution. The rabbi acts as our agent both to sell
> the chametz to the non-Jew on the morning before
> Pesach starts and also to buy it back the evening
> after Pesach ends.

> [...deletia...]

Astonishing, isn't it, how poor ol' gutless Scottie can ignore the fact
that not once in all of this are Gentiles referred to as "unclean" or
"defiled"? Not only that, but there's no evidence to support his contention
that Jews "won't eat" chametz!

Jeffrey G. Brown

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In article <34ce73c8....@news.flash.net>, Scott "Stay in school or
you'll end up like me, kids!" Bradbury (doc_t...@bigfoot.com,
phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:

Truly this is a marvel of the cut'n'paste arts, and poor ol' gutless
Scottie is to be congratulated. There's just one tiny little problem:
nowhere in this tract can one find evidence that the utensils being
discussed are considered "defiled", only that they required blessing.

Pity about Scottie's reading comprehension problems, isn't it?

Jeffrey G. Brown

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In article <34ce8700....@news.flash.net>, Scott "It's Not There, But
I'll Lie and Say It Is Anyway!" Bradbury (doc_t...@bigfoot.com,
phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:

Astonishing, isn't it, how poor ol' gutless Scottie can ignore the fact

that not once in all of this are Gentiles referred to as "unclean" or
"defiled"? Not only that, but there's no evidence to support his contention
that Jews "won't eat" chametz!

JGB

Jeffrey G. Brown

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In article <34ce836c....@news.flash.net>, Scott "Believing Your Own
Hallucinations Is Fun! Try It!" Bradbury (doc_t...@bigfoot.com,
phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:

Astonishing, isn't it, how poor ol' gutless Scottie can ignore the fact

Jeffrey G. Brown

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In article <34ce87ab....@news.flash.net>, Scott "Oh Goodie! Another
Chance To Make A Complete Ass Of Myself In Public!" Bradbury
(doc_t...@bigfoot.com, phi...@phoenix.net) wrote:

> http://www.chabad.org/pesach97/chomez.html
>
> Prohibition of Chometz
>
> On Pesach it is prohibited to possess chametz (leaven). All chametz
> that will not be eaten or burned before Pesach must be sold to a
> non-Jew. All chametz utensils that will not be thoroughly cleaned by
> then, and are stored away in closets or rooms while preparing for
> Pesach. The storage area is locked or tape-shut, and leased to a

> non-Jew at the time of the sale.
>

> There are many legal intricacies in this sale, thus, only a competent

> rabbi should be entrusted with its execution. The rabbi acts as our
> agent both to sell the chametz to the non-Jew on the morning before
> Pesach starts and also to buy it back the evening after Pesach ends.
>

> Locking your chametz away and giving your LOR (Local Observant Rabbi)
> the Chametz Contract (signed by you) is an easy way of observing one
> of the most important laws in the Torah.
>
> Chametz which remains in the possession of a Jew over Pesach may not
> be used, eaten, bought or sold even after Pesach.

Astonishing, isn't it, how poor ol' gutless Scottie can ignore the fact

Herr Doktor Tavische

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On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:59:19 -0500, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
Brown) wrote:

>In article <34ce6c4c....@news.flash.net>, Scott "Duuuuhhhh... what do

>'thread' mean?" Bradbury (doc_t...@bigfoot.com, phi...@phoenix.net)
>wrote:

I wish I could take the lazy way out and just limit myself to making
infantile insults rather than seriously trying to prove my point.

Jeffrey always likes starting out with personal attacks against those
he has judged as inferior. He can't prove me wrong in the open arena
of ideas but he can come up with insults. Notice how he likes snipping
out the entire premise of the post. He won't deal with ideas; he
prefers the full frontal assault of attacking the messenger.

The lurker should pay close attention to what I posted this time as
well as the previous times and see how Brown always canges the subject
title to one of insulting tone and how he only attacks me. Notice that
he never deals with the object of the post!

>> On Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:30:34 -0500, jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
>> Brown) wrote:
>
>> [...deletia...]

>> >I agree. One can only wonder why poor ol' gutless Scottie keeps descending
>> >to the depths he does in an effort to smear and discredit the Jews -- but
>> >if he prefers to be seen as pitiful, that's his privilege.

I only posted what they, themselves, wrote and declared on public

Internet sites. Why do you alwways have the compunction to delete
those words?

>> >> [...deletia...]
>>
>> Look below to see what Jeffrey cut out!

>Non-morons know how to use the threading function of their newsreaders. I
>guess we know which market segment poor ol' gutless Scottie is aiming
>for...

You know what I am getting at. You're flooding DejaNews with your
snip'n'trash posts. When my post expires your's still shows in the ng.

>> [...deletia...]

>
>> >I have a rule about such things: "Never attribute to malice that which is
>> >sufficiently explainable by stupidity".
>>
>> >> [...deletia...]

>> You must be referring to your stupidity because you once again did

>> not refute what I posted. You attacked me!

>One does not "refute" cut'n'pasted text. One need merely point out that it

>does not support the preordained conclusions of the bigot doing the
>cut'n'pasting.

I don't have any preordained conclusions. Show me how Jews aren't
showing religious bigotry in what they write. You attack me and I am
only one person! You overlook the bigotry that is being taught by the
many to many. You know; you strain at the gnat and swallow the camel.
Now once again from the top and for the benefit of everybody else. You
please explain why what appears below is not religious bigotry against
non-Jews! Now don't attack me; I'm only putting in what appears at
these links. Show us that you can do far more than making personal
smears against individuals that you immensely dislike. Be objective
for a change and attack the premise if you will. Remember DejaNews
records all.

For Jeffrey to explain (third try):

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