Man created organized religion, Oh, Thank Man!
Lord Fauntleroy McTavish
Allan Matthews wrote:
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> In article <19970329153...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, peace...@aol.com (PeaceMahon) wrote:
> >I respect your opinions.
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> But I want you to have mine.
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> > Not that that should matter to any of you.
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> Right the first time.
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> >Indeed, man has exploited the real message of faith in an effort to
> >exploit his fellow man.
>
> How this follows from your first two sentences is not clear. One can argue
> that organized religion exists solely for the exploitation and control of one
> group of people by another.
>
> >It is for this reason that many people have been turned off to religion,
> >and rightfully so.
>
> Right again.
>
> >However it is ignorant to sum up the entire western theology in a few
> >sentances which is what you are trying to do.
>
> Who's trying to sum things up like that? I don't see any quoted post here.
> What's ignorant is an adult not knowing how to spell "sentences."
>
> >But hey, this is a white supreamacist newsgroup, so one would expect
> >ignorance and generalizations right?
>
> This statement is self-proving. This NG is about equally divided between
> supremacists and their opponents. So you're showing your ignorance by making
> an incorrect generalization.
>
> >Furthermore, it is rather shallow to claim that God does not exist simple
> >because you can't see him. this is the mystery of faith.
>
> Why should we believe in phenomena that we cannot observe? Such beliefs are
> clearly irrational. This is the truth about blind faith.
>
> >Anyway, remember that no matter how hate filled and stupid you are that
> >God still loves you and is willing to over look all of your faults.
>
> And send you to Hell for eternity if he feels like it - some love.
Tavish replies:
Allan please be seated when you read this. Tavish says that the "Hell
Fire" doctrine is a man made teaching. The only mention in the Bible
about any fire and torment is in Revelation which is all symbolism and
the account of the privileged man and Lazarus- again an illustration.
Ecclesiastes 9:5 states that the dead are conscious of nothing at all
and neither do they have any thought etc. When Jehovah set forth the
command in the Garden he gave two choices- life or death. The true God
does not put people in flames for infinity to torture them forever. This
teaching is devilish also and brings great disrespect upon the true one.
Many pagan religions taught\teach this stuff to keep their flocks in
line. Tavish abhors what the false and deceptive men did in the name of
Christianity during the Middle Ages. Jesus and his disciples did not put
red hot irons under people's feet to convert them. People that did such
are the workers of lawlessness that Jesus will say: "Get away from me, I
never knew you, you workers of lawlessness!" Many teachings that are
supposed to be "Christian" are not found in the Bible at all and are the
best examples of the doctrines of men overtaking the word of God!
Tavish
BTW Allan even some of those that I think are wascally Jews aren't even
being tortured in "Hell." (Such as Karl Marx) Is this not strange speak
coming from a person that has been labeled by some as a Nazi? Ja?
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Lord Fauntleroy McTavish
Caesar wrote:
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> IMO most religions must be false, as they can't all be right.
Tavish replies:
Your statement is 100% correct if you use what Jesus said (or for that
matter what you said is true on its own) about only one road leading off
to life and few are those that find it! Matthew 7: 13,14
Tavish will not say publicly where this road is BUT I agree with the
statement you made on all accounts!
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Allan Matthews
Then, once again, "tavish" doesn't have a clue.
> The only mention in the Bible
>about any fire and torment is in Revelation which is all symbolism and
>the account of the privileged man and Lazarus- again an illustration.
Does "tavish" imply that the Revelation was not inspired by the Holy Spirit?
How else can it be "man made" teaching? Besides, as usual, "tavish" is wrong
about the contents of the Bible he thumps so much.
>Ecclesiastes 9:5 states that the dead are conscious of nothing at all
>and neither do they have any thought etc. When Jehovah set forth the
>command in the Garden he gave two choices- life or death. The true God
>does not put people in flames for infinity to torture them forever.
Then please explain, for example, Matthew 13, where Jesus states: "God's
messengers will go out and separate the evil from the righteous and throw the
evil into the fiery furnance." Jesus obviously believed in a fiery eternal
Hell.
>This teaching is devilish also and brings great disrespect upon the true one.
"tavish" doesn't seem to have read the Bible very closely on this subject.
>Many pagan religions taught\teach this stuff to keep their flocks in
>line. Tavish abhors what the false and deceptive men did in the name of
>Christianity during the Middle Ages. Jesus and his disciples did not put
>red hot irons under people's feet to convert them. People that did such
>are the workers of lawlessness that Jesus will say: "Get away from me, I
>never knew you, you workers of lawlessness!" Many teachings that are
>supposed to be "Christian" are not found in the Bible at all and are the
>best examples of the doctrines of men overtaking the word of God!
>Tavish
>
>BTW Allan even some of those that I think are wascally Jews aren't even
>being tortured in "Hell." (Such as Karl Marx) Is this not strange speak
>coming from a person that has been labeled by some as a Nazi? Ja?
Nothing you believe surprises me anymore "tavish."