Alien Citizens as Described by Theodore Roosevelt aka "Rough Rider"
Doc Tavish
The following document has an 89% approval rate from Doc Tavish.
I hope that all of you appreciate what the "Rough Rider" has to
say about "aliens" and non-assimilationists. PLease take note of
what Roosevelt said about those that use hypenated names and waht
he says about those that go for their votes! Very eye opening!
Doc Tavish
TRUE AMERICANISM
By THEODORE ROOSEVELT
History of the American Nation, Vol.9, Pg.2618 - Pg.2619
It is not only necessary to Americanize the immigrants of
foreign birth who settle among us, but it is even more necessary
for those among us who are by birth and descent already Americans
not to throw away our birthright, and, with incredible and
contemptible folly, wander back to bow down before the alien gods
whom our forefathers forsook. It is hard to believe that there is
any necessity to warn Americans that, when they seek to model
themselves on the lines of other civilizations, they make themselves
the butts of all right-thinking men; and yet the necessity certainly
exists to give this warning to many of our citizens who pride themselves
on their standing in the world of art and letters, or, perchance, on
what they would style their social leadership in the community. It
is always better to be an original than an imitation, even when the
imitation is of something better than the original; but what shall we
say of the fool who is content to be an imitation of something worse?
Even if the weaklings who seek to be other than Americans were right
in deeming other nations to be better than their own, the fact yet
remains that to be a first-class American is fiftyfold better than
to be a second-class imitation of a Frenchman or Englishman. As a
matter of fact, however, those of our countrymen who do believe in
American inferiority are always individuals who, however cultivated,
have some organic weakness in their moral or mental makeup; and the
great mass of our people, who are robustly patriotic, and who have
sound, healthy minds, are justified in regarding these feeble
renegades with a half-impatient and half-amused scorn.
History of the American Nation, Vol.9, Pg.2622 - Pg.2623
[The third sense in which] The word "Americanism" may be
employed is with reference to the Americanizing of the newcomers to
our shores. We must Americanize them in every way, in speech,
in political ideas and principles, and in their way of looking at
the relations between church and state. We welcome the German or the
Irishman who becomes an American. We have no use for the German or
Irishman who remains such. We do not wish German-Americans and
Irish-Americans who figure as such in our social and political life;
we want only Americans, and, providing they are such, we do not care
whether they are of native or of Irish or of German ancestry. We have
no room in any healthy American community for a German-American vote
or an Irish-American vote, and it is contemptible demagogy to put
planks into any party platform with the purpose of catching such
a vote. We have no room for any people who do not act and vote
simply as Americans, and as nothing else.... We believe that
English and no other language, is that in which all the school
exercises should be conducted....
History of the American Nation, Vol.9, Pg.2623 - Pg.2624 - Pg.2625
The mighty tide of immigration to our shores has brought in
its train much of good and much of evil; and whether the good or
the evil shall predominate depends mainly on whether these newcomers
do or do not throw themselves heartily into our national life, cease
to be European, and become Americans like the rest of us. More than
a third of the people of the northern states are of foreign birth or
parentage. An immense number of them have become completely
Americanized, and these stand on exactly the same plane as the
descendants of any Puritan, Cavalier, or Knickerbocker among us,
and do their full and honorable share of the nation's work.
[Certain ones please take special notice of this. Tavish]> But
where immigrants, or the sons of immigrants, do not heartily and in
good faith throw in their lot with us, but cling to the speech,
the customs, the ways of life, and the habits of thought of the
Old World which they have left, they thereby harm both them selves
and us. If they remain "alien" elements, unassimilated, and with
interests separate from ours, they are mere obstructions to the
current of our national life, and, moreover, can get no good from
it themselves.... It is urgently necessary to check and regulate
our immigration by much more drastic laws than now exist; and
this should be done both to keep out laborers who tend to depress
the labor market, and to keep out races which do not assimilate
readily with our own, and unworthy individuals of all races --
not only criminals, idiots, and paupers, but anarchists of the
Most and O'Donovan Rossa type. [Communists]
[The above should be read many times by a select group- these aren't
Doc Tavish's words BUT the words of a greatly respected American.]
History of the American Nation, Vol.9, Pg.2625 - Pg.2626
From his own standpoint, it is beyond all question the
wise thing for the immigrant to become thoroughly Americanized.
Moreover, from our standpoint, we have a right to demand it.
We freely extend the hand of welcome and of good-fellowship to every
man, no matter what his creed or birthplace, who comes here honestly
intent on becoming a good United States citizen like the rest of us;
but we have a right, and it is our duty to demand, that he shall
indeed become so, and shall not confuse the issues with which we
are struggling by introducing among us Old World quarrels and
prejudices.... Above all, the immigrant must learn to talk and
think and be United States. [Is Teddy Roosevelt an anti-Semite?]
History of the American Nation, Vol.9, Pg.2626 - Pg.2627
The immigrant of today can learn much from the experience
of the immigrants of the past, who came to America prior to the
Revolutionary War. We were then already, what we are now, a people
of mixed blood. Many of our most illustrious Revolutionary names
were borne by men of Huguenot blood -- Jay, Sevier, Marion,
Laurens. But the Huguenots were, on the whole, the best immigrants
we have ever received; sooner than any other, and more completely,
they became American in speech, conviction and thought.
The Hollanders took longer than the Huguenots to become completely
assimilated; nevertheless they in the end became so, immensely to
their own advantage. One of the leading Revolutionary generals,
Schuyler, and one of the Presidents of the United States,
Van Buren, were of Dutch blood; but they rose to their positions,
the highest in the land, because they had become Americans and had
ceased being Hollanders. If they had remained members of an "alien"
body, cut off by their speech and customs and belief from the rest
of the American community, Schuyler would have lived his life as a
boorish, provincial squire, and Van Buren would have ended his
days a small tavern-keeper....
History of the American Nation, Vol.9, Pg.2627
But I wish to be distinctly understood on one point.
Americanism is a question of spirit, conviction, and purpose,
not of creed or birthplace. The politician who bids for the
Irish or German vote, or the Irishman or German who votes as
an Irishman or German, is despicable....
Bibliography: History of the American Nation.
By William J. Jackson & Others.
Cite as: William J. Jackson & Others. History of the American
Nation. CD Sourcebook of American History.Mesa, Arizona:
Candlelight Publishing, 1992.
[We must ask and answer these questions:
Concerning the passage of what Theodore Roosevelt said of what it
is to be an American, what are we to think of multi-culturalism?
Bi-lingual education? Feminism and its adherents taking on
hyphenated names (i.e. Hillary Rodham-Clinton)? What about
African-Americans, Mexican-Americans and those that form the
ethnic voting blocks and the politicians that encourage such
votes among the hyphenated community? What about the gay-lesbian
community that wants to be treated as other members of society but
live apart from society by refusing to live by the norm of society
as a whole? What of illegal immigrants that are not coming to
become citizens, but only to take back resources to their country?
Can you think of any others that fly in the face of the old
"Rough Rider?" What does E Pluribus Unum mean? {Out of many -one}]
Doc Tavish
Truthsk763
Doc Tavish <tav...@phoenix.net> wrote:
>The following document has an 89% approval rate from Doc Tavish.
>I hope that all of you appreciate what the "Rough Rider" has to
>say about "aliens" and non-assimilationists. PLease take note of
>what Roosevelt said about those that use hypenated names and waht
>he says about those that go for their votes! Very eye opening!
>Doc Tavish
accompanying article deleted.
I agree with the thrust of Teddy Roosevelt's views on the subject of
immigration. Once people come to our shores, they cease to have the
identity of the nation from which they came. In addition, appeals to
ethnic bloc voting are un-American and wrong.
However, in my view, the process of assimilation necessarily means
incorporating into our common American heritage the best elements of
immigrants' native cultures.
The idea of America is not one of race, ethnicity, or creed, it is the
radical idea of self-government, individual freedom and dignity, and the
fact that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are
created equal and endowed by their Creator with the right to life,
liberty, and pursuit of happiness." By accepting this civic creed, people
become good Americans. This is what, I believe, President Roosevelt was
attempting to convey.
As Roosevelt said, old world quarrels and prejudices have no place in our
country. In other comments, he specifically condemned anti-Semitism and
other forms of religious prejudice. Rather than being exclusionary, he
was actually inviting immigrants to join our national culture and bring
the unique contributions of their heritages to the table.
To the extent that there is bloc voting among minorities, it is generally
because, in their effort to assimilate, they have faced discrimination
from the majority.
The first evidence of ethnic bloc voting was the Irish in the 1840s -- a
direct response to the Know-Nothing nativist effort to stigmatize their
Catholicism, which nativists considered un-American and systematic
exclusion from participation in our country's civic and economic life. As
the Irish moved into the mainstream of American life, bloc voting began to
dissipate with each generation.
With other groups, it was one step toward assimilation and largely
discarded as immigrants became upwardly mobile.
You, once again, mention gays and lesbians. Members of this group vote on
the full range of concerns affecting all Americans and can be found across
the political spectrum (even in the Holocaust "revisionist" movement).
Like other groups that maintain some bloc voting, the gay community is not
totally permitted to full participate in society without a stigma to their
identity. As as a result, there is a unique set of public policy concerns
revolving around an end to discrimination.
I think the growing balkanization of American culture is problematic for
our common identity. I agree with you that English must remain our lingua
franca. Other languages are appropriate in the home, but to maintain our
national identity, our common language should be English.
Assimilation does not preclude differences. People are not made from
cookie cutters. We are the only country where hundreds of millions of
people of every religion, national group and color live together in
relative prosperity under self-government. The richness and diversity of
our national culture is one of the many things that makes the United
States the greatest nation in the history of humankind.
Ed Marks
Andrew Mathis
Doc Tavish <tav...@phoenix.net> wrote:
>The following document has an 89% approval rate from Doc Tavish.
>I hope that all of you appreciate what the "Rough Rider" has to
>say about "aliens" and non-assimilationists. PLease take note of
>what Roosevelt said about those that use hypenated names and waht
>he says about those that go for their votes! Very eye opening!
>Doc Tavish
>TRUE AMERICANISM
>By THEODORE ROOSEVELT
<3 paragraphs which "Doc" (still waiting to hear where he earned this
alleged doctorate from] has decline to comment upon.>
>[Certain ones please take special notice of this. Tavish]> But
>where immigrants, or the sons of immigrants, do not heartily and in
>good faith throw in their lot with us, but cling to the speech,
>the customs, the ways of life, and the habits of thought of the
>Old World which they have left, they thereby harm both them selves
>and us. If they remain "alien" elements, unassimilated, and with
>interests separate from ours, they are mere obstructions to the
>current of our national life, and, moreover, can get no good from
>it themselves.... It is urgently necessary to check and regulate
>our immigration by much more drastic laws than now exist; and
>this should be done both to keep out laborers who tend to depress
>the labor market, and to keep out races which do not assimilate
>readily with our own, and unworthy individuals of all races --
>not only criminals, idiots, and paupers, but anarchists of the
>Most and O'Donovan Rossa type. [Communists]
>[The above should be read many times by a select group- these aren't
>Doc Tavish's words BUT the words of a greatly respected American.]
What group are you specifically talking about?
>History of the American Nation, Vol.9, Pg.2625 - Pg.2626
> From his own standpoint, it is beyond all question the
>wise thing for the immigrant to become thoroughly Americanized.
>Moreover, from our standpoint, we have a right to demand it.
>We freely extend the hand of welcome and of good-fellowship to every
>man, no matter what his creed or birthplace, who comes here honestly
>intent on becoming a good United States citizen like the rest of us;
>but we have a right, and it is our duty to demand, that he shall
>indeed become so, and shall not confuse the issues with which we
>are struggling by introducing among us Old World quarrels and
>prejudices.... Above all, the immigrant must learn to talk and
>think and be United States. [Is Teddy Roosevelt an anti-Semite?]
Where does the above paragraph mention Jews?
<Remainder from Teodor Rosenfeld snipped; his cousin Frankel was also
President, following on the heels of the Jewish presidency from 19th
c. Chief Executive Avraham Lin-Cohen.--why do you *think* he wore that
beard?>
> [We must ask and answer these questions:
>Concerning the passage of what Theodore Roosevelt said of what it
>is to be an American, what are we to think of multi-culturalism?
That maybe TR was wrong.
>Bi-lingual education? Feminism and its adherents taking on
>hyphenated names (i.e. Hillary Rodham-Clinton)? What about
>African-Americans, Mexican-Americans and those that form the
>ethnic voting blocks and the politicians that encourage such
>votes among the hyphenated community? What about the gay-lesbian
>community that wants to be treated as other members of society but
>live apart from society by refusing to live by the norm of society
>as a whole?
Actually, they prefer to live AMONG society, but cannot because of the
violence perpetrated against them.
>What of illegal immigrants that are not coming to
>become citizens, but only to take back resources to their country?
>Can you think of any others that fly in the face of the old
>"Rough Rider?" What does E Pluribus Unum mean? {Out of many -one}]
I thought it meant "Have a Nice Day."
Andrew Mathis
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Doc Tavish
Andrew Mathis wrote:
>
> Doc Tavish <tav...@phoenix.net> wrote:
>
> >The following document has an 89% approval rate from Doc Tavish.
> >I hope that all of you appreciate what the "Rough Rider" has to
> >say about "aliens" and non-assimilationists. PLease take note of
> >what Roosevelt said about those that use hypenated names and waht
> >he says about those that go for their votes! Very eye opening!
> >Doc Tavish
>
> >TRUE AMERICANISM
> >By THEODORE ROOSEVELT
>
> alleged doctorate from] has decline to comment upon.>
>
> >where immigrants, or the sons of immigrants, do not heartily and in
> >good faith throw in their lot with us, but cling to the speech,
> >the customs, the ways of life, and the habits of thought of the
> >Old World which they have left, they thereby harm both them selves
> >and us. If they remain "alien" elements, unassimilated, and with
> >interests separate from ours, they are mere obstructions to the
> >current of our national life, and, moreover, can get no good from
> >it themselves.... It is urgently necessary to check and regulate
> >our immigration by much more drastic laws than now exist; and
> >this should be done both to keep out laborers who tend to depress
> >the labor market, and to keep out races which do not assimilate
> >readily with our own, and unworthy individuals of all races --
> >not only criminals, idiots, and paupers, but anarchists of the
> >Most and O'Donovan Rossa type. [Communists]
> >[The above should be read many times by a select group- these aren't
> >Doc Tavish's words BUT the words of a greatly respected American.]
>
it!
Elsa says that she thinks you're a tiger- I think Elsa is losing her
mind. I sent her back to the kitchen to make some of her legendary
sauerkraut.
>
> >History of the American Nation, Vol.9, Pg.2625 - Pg.2626
> > From his own standpoint, it is beyond all question the
> >wise thing for the immigrant to become thoroughly Americanized.
> >Moreover, from our standpoint, we have a right to demand it.
> >We freely extend the hand of welcome and of good-fellowship to every
> >man, no matter what his creed or birthplace, who comes here honestly
> >intent on becoming a good United States citizen like the rest of us;
> >but we have a right, and it is our duty to demand, that he shall
> >indeed become so, and shall not confuse the issues with which we
> >are struggling by introducing among us Old World quarrels and
> >prejudices.... Above all, the immigrant must learn to talk and
> >think and be United States. [Is Teddy Roosevelt an anti-Semite?]
>
> Where does the above paragraph mention Jews?
The way certain Jews are devoted to Israeli causes and still have an
allegiance I felt some of you would deem some of the above as
anti-Semitic. "we have a right, and it is our duty to demand, that he
shall indeed become so, and shall not confuse the issues with which we
are struggling by introducing among us Old World quarrels and
prejudices.." i.e. getting America involved in Israels aggression toward
Palestinians strikes me of Old World struggles- get the point? No.
>
> <Remainder from Teodor Rosenfeld snipped; his cousin Frankel was also
> President, following on the heels of the Jewish presidency from 19th
> c. Chief Executive Avraham Lin-Cohen.--why do you *think* he wore that
> beard?>
Yeah FDR was the socialist swine that sent this country down the river
at the advice of the little Bolsheviks in his cabinet. It was FDR that
started us on the big gov't, welfare, great society nanny state. What a
turd! He should be dug up and burned and his ashes scattered to the four
winds!
>
> > [We must ask and answer these questions:
> >Concerning the passage of what Theodore Roosevelt said of what it
> >is to be an American, what are we to think of multi-culturalism?
Multiculturalism was not one of our forefather's dreams- it is the work
of those that seek to undermine us as a nation. How much
multiculturalism do the Israelis tolerate?
>
> That maybe TR was wrong.
TR was right- his cousion was a socialist turd!
>
> >Bi-lingual education? Feminism and its adherents taking on
> >hyphenated names (i.e. Hillary Rodham-Clinton)? What about
> >African-Americans, Mexican-Americans and those that form the
> >ethnic voting blocks and the politicians that encourage such
> >votes among the hyphenated community? What about the gay-lesbian
> >community that wants to be treated as other members of society but
> >live apart from society by refusing to live by the norm of society
> >as a whole?
>
> Actually, they prefer to live AMONG society, but cannot because of the
> violence perpetrated against them.
I am not going out and beating them with chains! If they weren't so
outlandish as to draw attention to themselves they could avoid much,
much trouble!
>
> >What of illegal immigrants that are not coming to
> >become citizens, but only to take back resources to their country?
> >Can you think of any others that fly in the face of the old
> >"Rough Rider?" What does E Pluribus Unum mean? {Out of many -one}]
>
> I thought it meant "Have a Nice Day."
I tmeans out of many one- NOT the perverted "many diverse from one'
>
> Andrew Mathis
Doc Tavish
a...@creative.net
In <32D445...@phoenix.net>, Doc Tavish <tav...@phoenix.net> writes:
(Really big snip of maunderings of yet another racist dead white man)
Mr. Tavish,
Perhaps you don't understand that the US is a great country in spite of men
like the infamous mr. T.Roosevelt, not because of them. Pride in self, origin, and
culture will do more for the healing of America than all of the hate filled ethno-
centric blather put together.
Cope with the facts mr. Tavish, America is a multi-cultural country, and
will remain so despite the best efforts of hatemongers. The total of our several
origins together is far greater than the mere sum of our parts. In truth, you and
the whites only ilk you seem to appeal to have the same choice of any organism
faced with a changing environment: cope, adapt, evolve or die...
Regards,
Ali
>
Doc Tavish
make my case for me!
Doc Tavish
Another squid shows his disrespect for an American (White Gentile) hero.
Bob Whitaker
a...@creative.net wrote:
>
> In <32D445...@phoenix.net>, Doc Tavish <tav...@phoenix.net> writes:
> (Really big snip of maunderings of yet another racist dead white man)
>
> Mr. Tavish,
>
> Perhaps you don't understand that the US is a great country in spite of men
> like the infamous mr. T.Roosevelt, not because of them. Pride in self, origin, and
> culture will do more for the healing of America than all of the hate filled ethno-
> centric blather put together.
>
> Cope with the facts mr. Tavish, America is a multi-cultural country, and
> will remain so despite the best efforts of hatemongers.
As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
so-called "color blindness" is that, in terms of real world results, you
are only interested in doing it in white majority countries. You demand
massive third world immigration into EVERY white majority country, and
ONLY into white majority countries. You demand your so-called "race"
mixing, which is actually only *white* mixing, and you use public moneyt
for busing and "low-cost"(black) housing to chase down any white
escapees.
Your program is to have an Asian Asia, an African Africa, and to make
every
present white majority country into a brown sludge.
Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
solution to the white problem. What you call being "anti-racist" is
actually just anti-white.