sXe Punks Unite
FenrisW2
wearing, kickboxing, emo fuck. I have spiked green hair and an army coat
with dozens of spikes, chains, and patches. I wear combat boots, and
although they're leather, I bought them used. I am one of few though.
Most sXers do have addidas hats and wear nikes, and that pisses me off.
sXe started as a subculture of punk. Punk is about rebellion against a
government that hates us. sXe was formed so that punks could find
direction in their lives instead of being brainwashed by alcohol and other
drugs. Now it's turned into a sport of who can kickbox the best and put
down the most druggies. Wake up sXe punks, sXe jocks are giving us a bad
name. I think it's time to fight back. They don't belong with us.
XJeff Du PlessisX
Seperate Society
Nathan Parrish Dammit
fucking fashion contest with yourself. Who fucking cares what you wear?
Why do you find it so important to inform us that you look like every other
punkrock kid. I won't even get into the matter of buying used leather
(it still sucks; go buy some synthetic shitkickers from payless shoes).
I'm not really in the position to talk about what punk is about, since I
never really claimed to be all that punk. I think that thought is a pretty
cool thing, something a lot of punks could use a lot more of. what does
it matter if some kid is wearing an adidas hat and a pair of nikes, aside
from the fact that it sends out those "I'm a putz who pays way too much
for clothing that looks stupid" signals? I mean, I agree with you, I think
there are a lot of stylee kids in the movement, who are doing it just to be
cool, but they will pass when the trends change. who cares? sxe is about
yourself. if you want to effect real change, don't bite the backs of others
in the movement. your negative attitude will not change anything, other
than discourage the people that are really into this for a lifetime. make
a change by getting others involved, get your zine out to people who aren't
already sxe/vegan/punk (i.e. don't preach to the choir). I am glad you do a
zine. if there is anyhting we do need to fight against it's the kids in
the scene who are too fucking illiterate to read or write a zine when they
can just slap on their sloganeering shirts and prove how cool they are.
yes, I'm rambling... I just have a problem with this "grrr I hate you"
attitude. I'm just a posi kid at heart I guess. if sxe is going to make
a positive change, we can't be hateful assholes who would rather fight than
talk to people that don't fit our mold. let's leave that to the cleveland
jock posse.
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Nathan Parrish | n...@vt.edu | head...@finger.vt.edu
rar | http://maxine.cc.vt.edu/~nparrish | big dork
go/stay vegan | someday I'll get my shit together.
Caitlin Hewitt-White
ignorance with ignorance is futile, too... and adidas hats and nike shoes
should not dictate who's sXe and who isn't... what's more important, anyhow:
someone being sXe or someone being a sXe punk? for god's sake, let's not get
narrowminded, because that's the exact thing we should be discouraging...
--
"I find your lack of faith disturbing."
- Darth Vadar
eirix
Ever noticed the usual sXe-adidas-guy's opinion when it comes to punks, even
if they're sXe??
I mean, this green-hair guy have to let people wear whatever they want, but I
think it's this guy who's having a hard time..
This clothing thing shouldn't matter, BOTH ways!
And, by the way; are expensive clothes in any way against the
sXe-attitudes???
eix (adidaskindaguy, nonleather!)
uglyChild
wrote:
i have been sxe for going on four years now and i only like a very limited
spectrum of punk...hardcore is great and i love it and i go to shows
whenever i get a chance...
but i wear all black, no studs or spikey hair, and i listen to primarily
industrial dance music....does this make me any less straightedge than
you? i am fully aware of where sxe came from, but you can't live in the
past...sxe has evolved into something more than what it once was, and if
you want to stick to the old punk roots, then more power to ya, but you
can't expect everybody to agree...and at this point i have met very few
like you (as you said)...
i was 15 when i decided to x-up for the first time, and i remember it
well...but wait until you've lived a little longer before you make a call
to arms...in the meantime, listen to what nathan has to say...it's sound
advice...
XuglyChildX
Dusty SEC
punk, not a subculture of it. It's only been in the last few years with
the sudden "rebirth" of punk that the two got linked. While punk died
in the 80s hardcore and straight edge thrived. Some of us were
around when it was just sXe. sXe isn't about rebellion, it never was.
It's about doing what's right. It's about fighting addiction. It's about
hardcore. It's not about what you wear. You call for unity, but at the
same time alienate those that aren't like you? How the fuck does that
solve anything? I could give two shits about what color your hair is or
what you have pierced. Those things mean nothing. All sXe kids have 2
thing in common, a love for hardcore, and a straight lifestyle. All else
is arbitrary bullshit. Who the fuck are you to tell the people who aren't
like you that because they wear addidas that they don't belong in the
scene? Those are the kids that helped keep the scene alive long enough
for you to find. You're the one who needs to wake up kid.
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Before your age reached double digits or before you could ride a bike out of
the driveway, I was hanging from the rafters at a Gorilla Biscuits show
with a flopped moehawk. That doesn't make me any better either, the point
is that back then, there was real unity of the scene. Punks, skins, straight
edge, all together fighting for the same cause. It's not something you've
probably seen in your lifetime.
Sorry little Jeffrey, your punk rock uniform makes you no more punk,
hardcore, or straight edge than me eventhogh you'd say I dress like a jock.
Patches and spikes are no rebellion against anything. It's in what you
think, how you feel, what you say and how you act. Society is fucked so
quaranteen yourself from it? A 15 year old kid in his daddy's office playing
on the internet can't tell me about soceity or how fucked anything is. He's
also far from quaranteened because of his little costume. You'll grow up
and find out someday that clothing is merely personal choice and it has
nothing to do with someones beliefs or how they act. I just hope when you
figure it out, you'll still be straight edge and still be in the scene. It
happened to me a long time ago and I still have the edge and always will.
Good luck kid.
John X
P.S.
Jocks beat me up in school too. You just gotta learn to fight, it's a good
thing to learn, your gonna be doing it all your life. Hopefully.
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Bedlam
>
> I'm a fifteen year old vegan militant sXe punk. I am not an addidas
> wearing, kickboxing, emo fuck. I have spiked green hair and an army coat
> with dozens of spikes, chains, and patches. I wear combat boots, and
> although they're leather, I bought them used. I am one of few though.
Oh man! can i be your friend?! You're so cool!
> Most sXers do have addidas hats and wear nikes, and that pisses me off.
> sXe started as a subculture of punk. Punk is about rebellion against a
> government that hates us. sXe was formed so that punks could find
> direction in their lives instead of being brainwashed by alcohol and other
> drugs. Now it's turned into a sport of who can kickbox the best and put
> down the most druggies. Wake up sXe punks, sXe jocks are giving us a bad
> name. I think it's time to fight back. They don't belong with us.
Since when is being punk about having spikes and patches on your jacket?
I agree that there ARE lame poseur punks out there, but dont say that just
because someone wears adidas, they're some stupid jock wannabe. And for a
15 year old, you sure do sound like you think you're the punkest of them all.
Get a clue kid, i'm 17, and although i got a handle on myself and my so-
called "punkness," i dont go around preaching about how i'm punker than other
people, because i know i'm not old enough to remember the real movement.
YOU'RE the kind of punk that gives real punks a bad name.
Bedlam
Alex Jablonski
> No holmes, you got your facts wrong. sXe was created as a reaction to
> punk, not a subculture of it. It's only been in the last few years with
> the sudden "rebirth" of punk that the two got linked. While punk died
> in the 80s hardcore and straight edge thrived. Some of us were
> around when it was just sXe. sXe isn't about rebellion, it never was.
> It's about doing what's right. It's about fighting addiction. It's about
> hardcore. It's not about what you wear. You call for unity, but at the
> same time alienate those that aren't like you? How the fuck does that
> solve anything? I could give two shits about what color your hair is or
> what you have pierced. Those things mean nothing. All sXe kids have 2
> thing in common, a love for hardcore, and a straight lifestyle. All else
> is arbitrary bullshit. Who the fuck are you to tell the people who aren't
> like you that because they wear addidas that they don't belong in the
> scene? Those are the kids that helped keep the scene alive long enough
> for you to find. You're the one who needs to wake up kid.
...well said...
> On 7 Apr 1996, FenrisW2 wrote:
> > I'm a fifteen year old vegan militant sXe punk. I am not an addidas
> > wearing, kickboxing, emo fuck. I have spiked green hair and an army coat
> > with dozens of spikes, chains, and patches. I wear combat boots, and
> > although they're leather, I bought them used. I am one of few though.
> > Most sXers do have addidas hats and wear nikes, and that pisses me off.
> > sXe started as a subculture of punk. Punk is about rebellion against a
> > government that hates us. sXe was formed so that punks could find
> > direction in their lives instead of being brainwashed by alcohol and other
> > drugs. Now it's turned into a sport of who can kickbox the best and put
> > down the most druggies. Wake up sXe punks, sXe jocks are giving us a bad
> > name. I think it's time to fight back. They don't belong with us.
> > XJeff Du PlessisX
> > Seperate Society
> >
> >
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Carleton University
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Alex Jablonski
> Jeff,
> Before your age reached double digits or before you could ride a bike out of
> the driveway, I was hanging from the rafters at a Gorilla Biscuits show
> with a flopped moehawk. That doesn't make me any better either, the point
> is that back then, there was real unity of the scene. Punks, skins, straight
> edge, all together fighting for the same cause. It's not something you've
> probably seen in your lifetime.
> Sorry little Jeffrey, your punk rock uniform makes you no more punk,
> hardcore, or straight edge than me eventhogh you'd say I dress like a jock.
> Patches and spikes are no rebellion against anything. It's in what you
> think, how you feel, what you say and how you act. Society is fucked so
> quaranteen yourself from it? A 15 year old kid in his daddy's office playing
> on the internet can't tell me about soceity or how fucked anything is. He's
> also far from quaranteened because of his little costume. You'll grow up
> and find out someday that clothing is merely personal choice and it has
> nothing to do with someones beliefs or how they act. I just hope when you
> figure it out, you'll still be straight edge and still be in the scene. It
> happened to me a long time ago and I still have the edge and always will.
> Good luck kid.
...well said...
> John X
> P.S.
> Jocks beat me up in school too. You just gotta learn to fight, it's a good
> thing to learn, your gonna be doing it all your life. Hopefully.
> --
> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> Extent Fanzine & Ten Yard Fight
> c/o John LaCroix
> 38 Calumet Street #3
> Boston, MA 02120
> Tel: 617-566-0385
> E-mail: ext...@tiac.net
> Check out the new home pages!!! Please add these to your links!!!
> Extnet Page: http://www.tiac.net/users/extent/
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edgex
xab...@wam.umd.edu says...
>
>No holmes, you got your facts wrong. sXe was created as a reaction to
>punk, not a subculture of it. It's only been in the last few years with
>the sudden "rebirth" of punk that the two got linked. While punk died
>in the 80s hardcore and straight edge thrived. Some of us were
>around when it was just sXe. sXe isn't about rebellion, it never was.
>It's about doing what's right. It's about fighting addiction. It's about
>hardcore. It's not about what you wear. You call for unity, but at the
>same time alienate those that aren't like you? How the fuck does that
>solve anything? I could give two shits about what color your hair is or
>what you have pierced. Those things mean nothing. All sXe kids have 2
>thing in common, a love for hardcore, and a straight lifestyle. All else
>is arbitrary bullshit. Who the fuck are you to tell the people who aren't
>like you that because they wear addidas that they don't belong in the
>scene? Those are the kids that helped keep the scene alive long enough
>for you to find. You're the one who needs to wake up kid.
>
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It is you my friend who are wrong. Straight Edge began as rebellion. Read
old interviews with Ian and check out lyrics from bands like SSD or Negative
F/X. I don't know what you consider "old school" but hardcore/punk/straight
edge were all the same. Ian was a punker not some straight edge kid.
hardcore is a type of punk rock. It's hardcore punk. Straight edge is
rebellion against societies fucked up ideals like drinking beer ad going to
parties etc. It's not a "let's be nice kids" glee club. I've been involved
with the scene for over 10 years and I've seen kids like yourself come and go
thinking they know all. Look into what you're talking about before you start
spouting.
Steve Afro
Dusty SEC
around rebellion, and straight edge isn't. Punk made a point of saying
that it's about rebellion. Hate to point this out, but Ian is but one
voice in a chorus. Does hardcore and straight edge hardcore share
commenalities with punk? Of course, but to say that all 3 terms can be
used interchangibly is ludicrous. There are distinctions, hence 3
DIFFERENT terms.
Get off your ladder, I'm no new jack, and I'm not impressed. Since
you're bragging, I might as well. I've been in the scene for 8 years.
Were you fucking asleep during the second half of the eighties? Did you
overlook the whole posicore movement? Since when is straight edge about
not going to parties? Last time I checked, it only involved not smoking,
drinking, or doing dope. And ideally it should be let's be nice kids? Or
would you prefer the gangsta type that have been around the past few
years. I suggest you find out a little about a person, before you make
acqusations, old man.
Oh gee, Negative F/X, who were they? I just don't know...
could it be choke's first band. arrogant asshole...
William C. Ewing
fenr...@aol.com (FenrisW2) wrote:
> I'm a fifteen year old vegan militant sXe punk. I am not an addidas
>wearing, kickboxing, emo fuck. I have spiked green hair and an army coat
>with dozens of spikes, chains, and patches. I wear combat boots, and
>although they're leather, I bought them used. I am one of few though.
>Most sXers do have addidas hats and wear nikes, and that pisses me off.
>sXe started as a subculture of punk. Punk is about rebellion against a
>government that hates us. sXe was formed so that punks could find
>direction in their lives instead of being brainwashed by alcohol and other
>drugs. Now it's turned into a sport of who can kickbox the best and put
>down the most druggies. Wake up sXe punks, sXe jocks are giving us a bad
>name. I think it's time to fight back. They don't belong with us.
> XJeff Du PlessisX
> Seperate Society
Seriously kid, fuck that
if you want to start a movement why do you start by by alienating those with
the same basic belief sytstem, keeping clean and in control. What makes you in
your characteristic dress that much better, or more straight since that's what
it's really all about, than others. This letter, while streiking against
commercialism, displays the same degree of materialism and shallow concern
with image that the movement needs to avoid. WE need ideology, not separation.
I'm a dedicated athlete, I am straightedge, my hair is short and natural
color, you wouldn't be able to pick me out of a crowd and say that i was
straight, but i am, because i believe it. I'm not more straight than oyu, and
you're not more than me, we're brothers in it all, and that something that we
cannot lose track of.
my voice is heard
bill e.
Don't Gamble Xu
ummm, wear what you want.
the funny thing to me is that this militant vegan sXe punker wears leather
boots and a leather jacket. hmmmm... used or not, that seems kinda strange.
no stranger than the majority of vegan kids here who wear nike basketball sneaks
(yes, the leather kind). but who am i to judge?
Milt
i wear vans
scottmc
> ...well said... me too
;)
-scottmc
edgex
xab...@wam.umd.edu says...
>
>Bullshit. Straight Edge started as a response to punk. Punk was centered
>around rebellion, and straight edge isn't. Punk made a point of saying
>that it's about rebellion. Hate to point this out, but Ian is but one
>voice in a chorus. Does hardcore and straight edge hardcore share
>commenalities with punk? Of course, but to say that all 3 terms can be
>used interchangibly is ludicrous. There are distinctions, hence 3
>DIFFERENT terms.
>Get off your ladder, I'm no new jack, and I'm not impressed. Since
>you're bragging, I might as well. I've been in the scene for 8 years.
>Were you fucking asleep during the second half of the eighties? Did you
>overlook the whole posicore movement? Since when is straight edge about
>not going to parties? Last time I checked, it only involved not smoking,
>drinking, or doing dope. And ideally it should be let's be nice kids? Or
>would you prefer the gangsta type that have been around the past few
>years. I suggest you find out a little about a person, before you make
>acqusations, old man.
>
>Oh gee, Negative F/X, who were they? I just don't know...
>could it be choke's first band. arrogant asshole...
>
punk, not punk in general. A response to the drinking, drugging thing. I
know Ian is only one person but considering his band coined the term and he
explained what he meant in several interviews I mentioned his name. Ok then
how about 7 Seconds. I can name a bunch of bands that spoke about the
straight edge as rebellion. You obviously misunderstand what I mean about
rebellion. Society says it's ok to drink alcohol, take drugs, have casual sex
etc., just look at the advertising world, and the straight edge is relbellion
against that.
I never said punk/hardcore what ever are interchangeable. It's like MC Hammer
is "Rap" but not like Dr. Dre is "rap". Understand? different forms of the
same thing.
No i wasn't asleep during the late 80's, however I wish I was. The heart of
the straight edge was so badly warped by that whole thing. It became a trend.
I'd rather see kids doing the straight edge thing than drugs, but the
straight edge is not a trend. Porcell said there are 4 rules to straight edge
in an interview. There are no fucking rules. It's an idea to keep your head
clear. You obviously can't keep your head clear drinking or smoking. Porcell
said the 4 rules are "don't drink. don't smoke, don't have sex, and don't eat
meat" Vegetarianism, although a good thing to do, is not part of the straight
edge. Eating meat does not impair ones thinking like booze does.
I hate the tough guy, ganster crap. What I meant by that statement is that
the straight edge is not about a bunch of conformists who do things that mommy
and daddy say. I agree that all people should be good to one another and
being a good person does not mean you can't be part of a rebellion.
I don't care how long you've been around. Whether it's 15 years or 2 years.
What's in your head is what counts. I didn't mention Negative F/X to be
arrogant, or show how cool I am. I mentioned them as a reference for the
point I was making. I could give a shit about old school or new school. I
happen to think the scene now is better than the NYC later 80's stuff. The
original ideas are coming back. To use the straight edge as a stepping stone
to accomplish more.
Steve Afro
David Brown
>yes, I'm rambling... I just have a problem with this "grrr I
>hate you"
>attitude. I'm just a posi kid at heart I guess. if sxe is going
>to make
>a positive change, we can't be hateful assholes who would rather
>fight than
>talk to people that don't fit our mold. let's leave that to the
>cleveland
>jock posse.
I have it on good authority that Nathan Parish is in fact Joe
Crucial. The Ultra-Posi-Machine has surfaced.
"Do sports not drugs," he will scream.
"Practice good dental hygiene,' he will plead.
"BSA hardcore" blah, blah, blah.
I'm on to you, pal.
To the hip little scenester:
Oh, as if being fifteen is EVEN old enough to tell me what punk
and straight edge originated from. It's fucking older than you or
those used leather booties.
db
Don't Gamble Xu
well, i turned out to be wrong. their sneaks are made of synthetic material.
who knew? just figured i would clear that up. and i guess in retrospect,
there's nothing wrong with having a used leather jacket.
Milt
Chuck Booher
positive or right. All these hardliners like the losers in "Monster Crew" always ruin shows for everyone else
like they did last Saturday at Earth Crisis/Snapcase. I live in So. CA by the way.
"Violence is the enemy." -Downcast
Rich