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Dec 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/25/99
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Just looking for opinion on a practice that i do.I have been doing
woodworking in my basement for the last three years as a hobby and to
make a few extra dollars.But my question is that my 12 year old niece
comes to my place and does some woodworking with me she enjoys doing
it.I know that because she phones me all the time to see when i'am
doing any more work.she wears hearing protection and glasses when she
is around the machinery.I don't let her near my table saw but allow
her to use the scroll saw by herself ,I have warned her about to watch
where her fingers are when she is using it.I fell comfotable with her
using it.I have had her using the radial arm saw to crosscut some wood
but had my hand on the saw with her and had told her about the effect
that it wants to push toward you so it would not give her a scare (but
I think that is the way to look at any lpiece of machinery) so you
don't get lazy with it and get hurt.The other night she was at my
place making a picture frame for a crochet piece that she had made for
her grand parents and I had her using the router that I have mounted
upside down in my work bench.I feel alot more comfortable with it that
was as that you have alot more control by holding a piece of wood than
the router.While I was using it I was explaining all the different
router bits and what the cuts are called beading,rabbet,roman ogee.I
was saying to her that when she goes into scholl next year she will
know more than some of the boys that will be in her class bout
woodworking.But my question is I wonder if I'am maybe teaching her
some bad habits not that I think I have any.

Opinions would be very muchly appreciated
Thanks in advance
Ricky


Jim W.

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Dec 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/25/99
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Hi, Ricky,

Sounds like you've pretty well got the bases covered. Close supervision
is the key. I get a little tense with high speed tools like the router,
and plain dangerous stuff like the radical arm sawr, but then I suppose
that depends a lot on the temperment of the student.

Good bets might also be the bandsaw and jigsaw.....relatively safe bets
in my book.

Now if only my son were that enthusiastic!

Jim W.
mech...@agt.net
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/mechanic

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Adam Weber

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Dec 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/25/99
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Wow, Ricky, I think you're lucky to have the chance to educate someone in a
great hobby at this impressionable age! My nephew, James, (the first son of
my youngest brother [who is also called Ricky, BTW!]) always hung around us
when we fixed TVs, built a kitchen, repaired furniture, plumbing, cars,
toys, did electrical wiring, etc. By the age of 6 or 7 he practically
sneered at toys for presents, preferring tools.

One Xmas, I had the chance to make him a scaled-down work-bench and vice and
gather a full set of woodworking hand-tools appropriate for his age and
size. Everything was there-measurement, cutting, boring, planing, holding,
gauging, impelling...It helped that he was an intelligent kid and that his
parents were willing to let him use the stuff. He eventually drifted into
electronics, which pleased me greatly, as that was one of my own primary
hobbies for many years. Altho' I had to move across the country for several
years, and now live on the other side of the world, I still have a very
satisfying relationship with this teenaged "computer nerd"!

It's true that your niece is going to pick up your attitudes and habits. I
think you just have to teach her, by example, that care, neatness, safety
and sensitivity [maybe "creativity" as well?] are all part of the craft, or
art, or pastime that you share. Planning ahead is important in woodwork (and
other aspects of life!) Do you get her to make rough drawings of her
projects? Do you quiz her on workshop safety? Do you have (a very few!)
inflexible rules?

Seems to me from your post that you've got most of the bases covered
already. Best wishes!

Adam


NOSPAMBOB

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Dec 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/25/99
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I was requested to "tutor" a neighbor and her sister on using a router in a
table. I felt that the first SMALL cut should be a clinb cut with PLENTLY of
warning about the bit taking charge! I felt a lesson learned that way would be
retained longer. The neighbor's husband questioned why I was teaching "the
wrong way" first. I declined to continue as he destroyed what I felt had been
established. I put a piece of wood into a molding cutter on a RAS too fast and
was very happy I wasn't in the trajectory.

In article <38645964...@news2.attcanada.net>, r...@attcanada.net (rm)
writes:

>The other night she was at my
>place making a picture frame for a crochet piece that she had made for
>her grand parents and I had her using the router that I have mounted
>upside down in my work bench.I feel alot more comfortable with it that
>was as that you have alot more control by holding a piece of wood than
>the router.While I was using it I was explaining all the different
>router bits and what the cuts are called beading,rabbet,roman ogee.I
>was saying to her that when she goes into scholl next year she will
>know more than some of the boys that will be in her class bout
>woodworking.But my question is I wonder if I'am maybe teaching her
>some bad habits not that I think I have any.


Name works for E-mail

Rob Weaver

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Dec 26, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/26/99
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Jim - point out to your son that girls like Ricky's niece are into
ww'ing too, and he just might be!

Season's Best,
Rob Weaver

"Jim W." wrote:
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> Hi, Ricky,
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Jim W.

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Dec 26, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/26/99
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I'd never thought of that angle....... and he is getting close to *that*
age.

Maybe if I got him plans for Robins butt.

Thanx,

Rob Weaver wrote in message <38663050...@erols.com>...

Stephen D. Shore

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Dec 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/27/99
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You are doing her a Very good service.... teaching her skills that will stay
with her forever, and yourself too....

My 10 yo son and 6 yo daughter (more my son) have also followed me into the
basement shop, and he built himself a workbench using a tool stand that was
not being used. I now use his new bench for glue-ups as it's level and flat
and ours isn't anymore.

Keep it up with her and she will suprise you.
Stephen

Riley

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Dec 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/27/99
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Dear Ricky,

Rejoice that you have a young relative to teach. With luck
what she will have is a passion for life.

Teach all the safety rules and keep the shop clean.

I strongly suggest doing projects where you do the heavy
machine work and she does the lighter (less dangerous work).

I would like to suggest wood carving for this, particularly of
chests and boxes. Many of the simpler styles require only a few tools
and can be handled by young people. It is very difficult to get more
than a nick from wood chisels.

I learned wood carving through the books of Doris Aller. Who
did many great chests and boxes. She was one on America's great
woodworkers.

I would be happy to suggest specific projects and make
drawings especialy for her. I have plans for an inexpensive
woodcarver's bench on my web site under Freebies (URL below). I would
also be happy to provide you with any of the plans from the site for
free.

Thanks for the posting.

Tom Riley
jri...@charm.net

Woodware Designs
http://www.charm.net/~jriley/woodware.html


On Sat, 25 Dec 1999 05:48:15 GMT, r...@attcanada.net (rm) wrote:

>Just looking for opinion on a practice that i do.I have been doing
>woodworking in my basement for the last three years as a hobby and to
>make a few extra dollars.But my question is that my 12 year old niece
>comes to my place and does some woodworking with me she enjoys doing
>it.I know that because she phones me all the time to see when i'am
>doing any more work.she wears hearing protection and glasses when she
>is around the machinery.I don't let her near my table saw but allow
>her to use the scroll saw by herself ,I have warned her about to watch
>where her fingers are when she is using it.I fell comfotable with her
>using it.I have had her using the radial arm saw to crosscut some wood
>but had my hand on the saw with her and had told her about the effect
>that it wants to push toward you so it would not give her a scare (but
>I think that is the way to look at any lpiece of machinery) so you

>don't get lazy with it and get hurt.The other night she was at my


>place making a picture frame for a crochet piece that she had made for
>her grand parents and I had her using the router that I have mounted
>upside down in my work bench.I feel alot more comfortable with it that
>was as that you have alot more control by holding a piece of wood than
>the router.While I was using it I was explaining all the different
>router bits and what the cuts are called beading,rabbet,roman ogee.I
>was saying to her that when she goes into scholl next year she will
>know more than some of the boys that will be in her class bout
>woodworking.But my question is I wonder if I'am maybe teaching her
>some bad habits not that I think I have any.
>

Tom Jackson/Karen Oakland

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Dec 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/28/99
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I learned some "pearls" of wisdom at the woodworking classes I took. The
guy who taught the class has about 30 years of daily experience and all his
body parts. I'll try to pass them on.

1. General

Figure out where the machine is going to throw the wood and put your
body somewhere else.

2. Radial arm saw - used to cut stock to rough length (and other things)

After aligning the cutsite to the blade, use the saw left-handed,
holding the board with the right hand. This gets all body parts out of the
line of any kickbacks and fingers away from blades.

3. Bandsaw - used for cutting rough stock to rough thickness and cutting
curves (Among the safest of all power tools)

Set the bladeguard 1/8" above the stock.
Watch your thumbs!

4. Jointer - used to flatten one face and edge

Never make a hand-board-cutter sandwich unless the board extends above
the fence vertically. Leap-frog each hand over the cutter as one moves the
board along.

5. Thickness planer - used make a board's faces parallel and at the
desired thickness

Don't put your hand in it!
Don't try to pull a stuck board out of it with the power on.

6. Tablesaw - used to rip stock to width (and other things)

Whenever the width of the stock between the fence and the bladeguard is
less than or equal to the width of your hand and the end of the stock is on
the tabletop, USE A PUSHSTICK!

With the bladeguard on, set the blade at maximum height.
With the bladeguard off, set the blade just so the gullets will clear
the stock at the top of their arc.
Fingerboards, holddowns, pushsticks, etc. are your friends, use them.

7. Dadoes

Use a router for long dadoes, i.e. bookshelfs.
Use a dadoe blade on a tablesaw or a router in a table for short dadoes
like box joints.

I know there are differences of opinion on correct procedures, but these
seemed logical to me when I hear them and they have worked for me since.

Tom Jackson
Engineered Conversion of Woods into Sawdust


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Riley

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Dec 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/28/99
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Dear Ricky,

Following up with my post from last light.

I have had great success with small boxes (for CD's etc) that
incorporate the silhouette of an animal (allegator, turtle, burrow,
rocking horse). I can draw some of these up if you like.

What is your niece's favorite animal? and what would she put
in a box?

Tom Riley
jri...@charm.net

Woodware Designs
http://www.charm.net/~jriley/woodware.html

On Sat, 25 Dec 1999 05:48:15 GMT, r...@attcanada.net (rm) wrote:

>Just looking for opinion on a practice that i do.I have been doing
>woodworking in my basement for the last three years as a hobby and to
>make a few extra dollars.But my question is that my 12 year old niece
>comes to my place

>Ricky


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