Going Beyond Theology.
Michael
as a 'maybe', shall we?
Galatians 2:20 (KJV).
Consider...
Going from being indoctrinated, being reproved,
being corrected, being instructed in righteousness to
being perfect and thoroughly furnished.
Going beyond repenting, to repented.
Going beyond being washed, to washed.
Going beyond being cleansed, to cleansed.
Going beyond being a sinner, to being dead to sin.
Going beyond being renewed, to be renewed.
As you should remember, perfection is this, Matthew 22:37-40.
By the way, have you ever seen it as a promise of God? Is
Jesus the fulfillment of Matthew 22:37-40?
Now, read Galatians 2:20 (KJV) again.
Notice also in that verse (KJV)..."...and the life which I now live
in the flesh I live by the faith **of** (not in) the Son of God, who
loved me, and gave himself for me."
If you have the faith, in you ***can*** be 'no darkness at all'.
Michael
Woden
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Perhaps "peace" would be better served in the long term when mankind can
move beyond these ancient myths and superstitions. Belief in this bible of
your has lead to more war in the last 2 millenia than peace.
Woden.
Mary
>your has lead to more war in the last 2 millenia than peace.
>
>Woden.
>
yeah, and the berzerkers were peacelovers. all religions are one of the many
ways in which we divide ourselves, whether christian or asatru or druid or
buddhist, you name it. i'm not saying go atheist--i'm saying step away from
religion when viewing other people, try to see things from their perspective.
woz
So how come you howed more darkness in a month than many people here show in
a year (often more)?
Mickey Take Paul
When you have ONE gate you will be at peace and take salt in YOURSELF.
I would refain from trying to teach - you are a bad witness.
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Michael
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> Woden.
Man wages war Woden...biblical presence or no biblical presence.
Michael
Michael
"woz" <Isaiah56: 1-5> wrote in message
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> Faith is Faith - a lot like hope (boy)
> So how come you howed more darkness in a month than many people here
> Mickey Take Paul
> When you have ONE gate you will be at peace and take salt in
> YOURSELF.
> I would refain from trying to teach - you are a bad witness.
Well, like I have been trying to tell you Saul, I am not you.
Michael
arethesea...@my-deja.com
Well, Michael, I think its beautiful.
Instead of thinking you have faith, because you believe, become the
faith; make it a functional part of yourself.
With all the DataRats around telling us to obey God's law, yet
overlooking so many minutae in the rules: don't eat shellfish, don't
wear clothes with mixed fibers, etc., is it not better to take the
meaning and purpose of the law into our hearts and understanding and,
in a way, become the law?
It is not the true believers who are going to heaven, but the those who
live by the Word.
- John Jensen
>
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Before you buy.
woz
throng
God's perfect Law is a blessing
You need to lift a finger to help whilst at the same time ensuring your
righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees.
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"woz" <Kingdom Of G-d> wrote:
> You are the ones who make rods as burdens on the backs of the
prolatariate
> throng
> God's perfect Law is a blessing
> You need to lift a finger to help whilst at the same time ensuring
your
> righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees.
>
> <arethesea...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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arethesea...@my-deja.com
"woz" <Kingdom Of G-d> wrote:
> You are the ones who make rods as burdens on the backs of the
prolatariate
> throng
> God's perfect Law is a blessing
> You need to lift a finger to help whilst at the same time ensuring
your
> righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees.
What are you talking about? prolatariate? I am neither a rich man, nor
nobility. I work for a living, and I know the value of service, and
know better than to glorify servitude (there is a difference).
I know better than to confess either my own inadequacies, for to do so
is to disqualify anything I have to say.
I know better than to presume anyone else's inadequacies, for to do so
is to presume no-one else has any answers, and refuse to consider tham
before I hear them.
Knowing God's perfect law is to know the meaning and responsibility of
being god. (If you tell me that's the devil's lie, then you have
proclaimed Christ to be the devil).
We are all gods, and all joint heirs of the kingdom in Christ. To
accept this, we must accept both our own power and capacity, and the
responsibilities that come with it, for we are eternal, and everything
we put into this world ultimately comes back to us.
Seek and you will find, As and you will receive, Knock and it shall be
opened to you. For he who does not seek, will not find, and he who does
not ask, will not receive.
ô¿ó
<arethesea...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> In article <3a0a...@usenet.per.paradox.net.au>,
> "woz" <Kingdom Of G-d> wrote:
> > You are the ones who make rods as burdens on the backs of the
> prolatariate
> > throng
> > God's perfect Law is a blessing
> > You need to lift a finger to help whilst at the same time ensuring
> your
> > righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees.
>
> What are you talking about? prolatariate? I am neither a rich man, nor
> nobility. I work for a living, and I know the value of service, and
> know better than to glorify servitude (there is a difference).
Thanx for the update
>
> I know better than to confess either my own inadequacies, for to do so
> is to disqualify anything I have to say.
Why aren't you an ordinary soul? You confess your inadequecies by accepting
them and getting on with it.
>
> I know better than to presume anyone else's inadequacies, for to do so
> is to presume no-one else has any answers, and refuse to consider tham
> before I hear them.
Presume - now there's an apt word. Especially if applied to the following
...
>
> Knowing God's perfect law is to know the meaning and responsibility of
> being god. (If you tell me that's the devil's lie, then you have
> proclaimed Christ to be the devil).
being a god. A. "(there is 'a' difference)" to quote for an update...
don't try and trap me with words - I carry the s/word
>
> We are all gods, and all joint heirs of the kingdom in Christ.
And here you confirmed that you are cognisant & brutally aware of the
difference and yet you use the words above as if to intimate a satanic
connection between my understanding and your elevated untaken seat.
> To
> accept this, we must accept both our own power and capacity, and the
> responsibilities that come with it, for we are eternal, and everything
> we put into this world ultimately comes back to us.
It surely does - I am here to ensure you are aware of that too!
>
> Seek and you will find, As and you will receive, Knock and it shall be
> opened to you. For he who does not seek, will not find, and he who does
> not ask, will not receive.
break and be broken - on the s/word of the cornerstone
arethesea...@my-deja.com
"ô¿ó" <Kingdom Of G-d> wrote:
>
> <arethesea...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:8uh872$6hb$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> >
> > I know better than to confess either my own inadequacies, for to do
so
> > is to disqualify anything I have to say.
>
> Why aren't you an ordinary soul? You confess your inadequecies by
accepting
> them and getting on with it.
Quite.
> > I know better than to presume anyone else's inadequacies, for to do
so
> > is to presume no-one else has any answers, and refuse to consider
tham
> > before I hear them.
>
> Presume - now there's an apt word. Especially if applied to the
following
> ...
>
> >
> > Knowing God's perfect law is to know the meaning and responsibility
of
> > being god. (If you tell me that's the devil's lie, then you have
> > proclaimed Christ to be the devil).
The Uncreated Perfect One lives within each and every one of us, and
exists as none other than the root source of the self; the eternal
foundation of all consciousness.
> being a god. A. "(there is 'a' difference)" to quote for an update...
> don't try and trap me with words - I carry the s/word
If you refuse to make yourself clear, then you run the risk of trapping
yourself.
> > We are all gods, and all joint heirs of the kingdom in Christ.
>
> And here you confirmed that you are cognisant & brutally aware of the
> difference and yet you use the words above as if to intimate a satanic
> connection between my understanding and your elevated untaken seat.
What I may intimate, and what you may suspect or anticipate, may or may
not have anything to do with each other. Once again, you are in danger
of trapping yourself.
> > To
> > accept this, we must accept both our own power and capacity, and the
> > responsibilities that come with it, for we are eternal, and
everything
> > we put into this world ultimately comes back to us.
>
> It surely does - I am here to ensure you are aware of that too!
Do you wish me to repeat myself? Or are you promising something before
you know if you can fulfill it?
> > Seek and you will find, As and you will receive, Knock and it shall
be
> > opened to you. For he who does not seek, will not find, and he who
does
> > not ask, will not receive.
>
> break and be broken - on the s/word of the cornerstone
As Christ's contemporaries tried to break him?
Be careful, for "Christians" have had a long history of "breaking" and
persecuting their greatest benefactors on pretenses of "the good of
society". Galileo, Copernicus, Keplar, Giordano Bruno, Martin Luthor,
John Huss (burned for criticizing the pope), Heinrick Schliemann
(father of modern archeology), Ignaz Semmelwiess (insisted doctors
needed to wash hands between patients), and many others were
cornerstones in their fields, but faced persecution in their own time,
only to be found to be right, too often after they had died.
http://www.the-gnosis-site.com/sri/sacrific.htm#cornerstone
"..and with every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as
a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth that
they might be saved. So that is why God lets an operation of error go
to them, that they might get to believing the lie, in order that they
all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took
pleasure in unrighteousness." 2 Thes. 2:10-12
ú¿ú
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> In article <3a0c...@usenet.per.paradox.net.au>,
> Do you wish me to repeat myself? Or are you promising something before
> you know if you can fulfill it?
what is it that a man can possess that he can offer another?
And how can it be fulfilled other than through the sacrifice of Jesus
Christ?
Barry OGrady
What did the mock sacrifice of Jesus acheive?
Barry
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Yohan the Lost (Jonathan Allen)
Some members of the early church didn't be believe that Jesus was God. The
argument came down to one Greek word (in brackets) which means either...
Jesus is of the stuff of God .
or
Jesus is the stuff of God.
Basically, the Church voted on wither Jesus was God in mortal form or merely
holy.
If they had chosen the later, the sacrifice would have been meaningful and I
would have been a Christian. But they choose the former, thus rendering his
actions meaningless.
--
Yohan the Lost
House of the Crooked Path
Hail Eris! All Hail Discordia!
"Barry OGrady" <billy...@dingoblue.net.au> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:43:14 +0800, "úżú" <Matthew9:24> wrote:
>
> >
zzz
A: Peace
See yah
bobe
"Yohan the Lost (Jonathan Allen)" wrote:
> > What did the mock sacrifice of Jesus acheive?
>
> Some members of the early church didn't be believe that Jesus was God. The
> argument came down to one Greek word (in brackets) which means either...
>
> Jesus is of the stuff of God .
> or
> Jesus is the stuff of God.
>
> Basically, the Church voted on wither Jesus was God in mortal form or merely
> holy.
>
> If they had chosen the later, the sacrifice would have been meaningful and I
> would have been a Christian. But they choose the former, thus rendering his
> actions meaningless.
It doesn't matter who voted what to me I met the Lord and He lives. The grave
couldn't hold Him. I believe that He came down from heaven and went to Calvary
where He died for me and took my sins and not my sins only, but also the sins of
the whole world. I have accepted His provision and because of this I have
received Eternal Life.
Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God is real and He is returning. At any
moment all your questions will be answered and if you have not made that
decision to seek the truth with all your heart, you will have an eternity to
regret your mistake. Me, I choose eternal life. Eternal Life has a name and His
name is Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the Son of the living God.
He's coming back and it will be suddenly!
Yohan the Lost
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You are confusing Jesus, the Son of Man, with Christ the Lord.
Jesus, the Son of Man, was a wise man who lived about 2,000 years ago. One
of his accomplishments was to warn us about the Jealous God and teach us we
have no master. The washing of the feet was symbolic of his desire not to be
worshiped. His repeated confrontations with the Church were his attempts to
show the world what an evil thing it was.
After his death, the Jealous God came to Earth in the form of Christ the
Lord. In this form he distorted the teachings of Jesus. Like when he founded
Judaism and Islam, he did this to maintain his power base and cause strife
among man. Since Cain and Able he has enjoyed turning brother against
brother, and I fear he will continue so for all eternity.
--
Yohan the Lost
Chaplin of The House of the Crooked Path
Moadeeb
How about going beyond CROSS-POSTING ??
Gnasty
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>Yohan:
>
> How about going beyond CROSS-POSTING ??
>
> Gnasty
Geeze what is your problem
Kahn, age 16
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Yohan the Lost
have you held the title?
--
Yohan the Lost
Chaplin of The House of the Crooked Path
Hail Eris! All Hail Discordia!
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Moadeeb
> Geeze what is your problem
See all the previous responses
I'm not yelling at you - I'm just killing all the cross-posts
Gnasty
Dreamsnake
You really think you are going to do the job so readily?
Are you even cross-posting to the relevant forums? If you
are, then please take *alt.religion.gnostic* off your posts
asking not to cross-post, because the problem lies elsewhere.
Here you are just annoying the natives.
You *did* say one or two things to get Kahn deservedly
miffed, you know.
gnosis
úżú <Matthew9:24> wrote in message
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> what is it that a man can possess that he can offer another?
> And how can it be fulfilled other than through the sacrifice of Jesus
> Christ?
How can the murder of a benefactor serve any benefit?
It is an absurd notion. It is likewise absurd to call it a "sacrifice", as
if to glorify atrocity.
The meaning is very simple, and it is NOT the one you hear preached in
church.
If even God may be sacrificed "for the good of society", they were are
expendable, and we are all hopelessly lost to the tyrrany of the high priest
and emperor. Instead of risking enmity by declaring himself God, the emperor
acheived the same status with supurb subtlety.
Can you expect less, when you swallow what a marriage of church and state
has created?
- John Jensen
Moadeeb
> Can you expect less, when you swallow what a marriage of church and state
> has created?
It's EASY - after marriage of Church and State we get CROSS-POSTERS
Le grand poisson avec les longs cheveux blonds
>
> "Yohan the Lost (Jonathan Allen)" wrote:
>
> > > What did the mock sacrifice of Jesus acheive?
It was a fabulous scam. :) Look how many people bought it. christianity
bears a striking similarity to pyramid marketing.
[snip]
> It doesn't matter who voted what to me I met the Lord and He lives. The grave
I thought he was _going_ to return. You met him while he was still dead?
Can you talk to my grandma too? I have some questions about her will.
> couldn't hold Him. I believe that He came down from heaven and went to Calvary
> where He died for me and took my sins and not my sins only, but also the sins of
> the whole world. I have accepted His provision and because of this I have
> received Eternal Life.
And yet the whole world is still covered with sin and has to repent and
all of that stuff. So jesus did a pretty crappy job then. Amateurs..
sheesh. Wasn't he supposed to be perfect? So how is it that he failed so
miserably in what he set out to do? He died and took the sins of the
whole world, and yet every sunday in any church you can be told how much
you're a sinner and need to be forgiven. So either the preachers are
wrong, or jesus screwed up. And all you have to do is watch the news to
see that the preachers are right.. there's a whole lot of sinnin' goin'
on.
> Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God is real and He is returning. At any
But he's late. Probably be here any time, you'll see. He said that we
should go ahead and start without him, but the bastard's still got the
Twister mat from the last party.
> moment all your questions will be answered and if you have not made that
Questions will be answered in the typical christian manner. "The lord
works in mysterious ways, ok? Stop asking and stick some money on the
collection plate already."
> decision to seek the truth with all your heart, you will have an eternity to
> regret your mistake. Me, I choose eternal life. Eternal Life has a name and His
Cuz your loving god will stick you into the oven of hell for all
eternity for using the free will he gave you and asking questions.
"Here's your brain. Don't ever use it or you'll burn forever."
Sounds like a real charmer, this god of yours.
> name is Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the Son of the living God.
It must be murder getting name tags for conventions.
> He's coming back and it will be suddenly!
Like last time? Correct me if I'm wrong, but Mary wasn't consenting was
she? Like, he never asked her permission before the Immaculate
Conception (or Holy Fuck, in more common terms). We call that rape,
whether it's done by a deity or not. You wanna be the lucky one to get
Raped by the Lord?
-wildsong
--
Jesus died for your sins. Make it worth his time.
Gnasty
> > It doesn't matter who voted what to me I met the Lord and He lives.
> I thought he was _going_ to return. You met him while he was still dead? Can you talk to my grandma too? I have some questions about her will.
I lost both my parents February, and we need to ask them where the key
is to the safe deposit box - will you ??
Please ??
Gnasty
And HOPING they don't like it....
woz
Gnasty <Gna...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> I lost both my parents February, and we need to ask them where the key
> is to the safe deposit box - will you ??
>
> Please ??
>
Try looking in your heart.
>
> Gnasty
>