Who the hell is Dean Stark?
Big Ed
Hello. My name is Dean Stark. Yes, *that* Dean Stark.
And now for a few interesting facts of which you may be
unaware:
o I did not create the alt.fan.dean-stark.diaper-play
newsgroup, nor did I suggest its creation or approve of its
creation in any way.
o I'm definitely *not* into diaper play and infantilism.
I in fact find these particular sexual diversions personally
repellent. I do, however, feel that anything that
consenting adults wish to do is perfectly okay. (In other
words, I don't judge people who like diaper sex play and
fetishes, but neither do I consent to having my name
associated with a diapers fetish newsgroup.)
o The typical procedure for the proper creation of an
alt.* newsgroup is to discuss the creation of the newsgroup
in alt.config. The diapers fetish newsgroup, as well as
about 200 other alt.fan.dean-stark.* newsgroups, were never
discussed in alt.config and the newgroup control messages
were forged. The person named in the message header of each
control message did not exist, and the site reported as the
sending domain did not exist, either. (It seems that some
people never grew up and have nothing better to do than
harass and lie about other people.)
o The diapers newsgroup, as well as the over 200 other
newsgroups previously mentioned, were created by some
hackers at the suggestion of an ex-girlfriend of mine, one
who was particularly "disturbed," no less.
And that, as they say, is that.
I'd prefer that the alt.fan.dean-stark.diaper-play newsgroup
be rmgroup'ed or replaced by a newsgroup that doesn't use my
name. People could, as an alternative, use the
alt.sex.fetish.diapers newsgroup. The reality of the
situation, however, is that not all sites bother to delete
forged, bogus alt.* newsgroups, and it's far too easy to
recreate a bogus newsgroup again after it's been deleted.
In essence, trying to rid the world of this newsgroup (and
other bogus newsgroups) is probably a losing proposition.
However, I'll also add that there are several other "Dean
Stark"s out there, at least half-a-dozen in California
alone, and if they also read Usenet they probably wish, as I
do, that I'd never been involved with *that* particular
woman who has now libeled not only me, but them, as well.
But now at least the record has been set straight, and
people won't have to wonder, "Who the hell is Dean Stark and
why was this newsgroup created?"
The simple answer, of course, is I'm just an average schmoe
who's being harassed by a nutty, juvenile, vindictive ex-
girlfriend who has nothing better to do than obsess about an
ex-boyfriend.
-- Dean
Gizmois
-- i believe that most of us at this newsgroup are aware that you are in no
way responsible for the creation of this newsgroup.
-- most of us who use this group enjoy diapers and age role-play in a non
"sexual fetish" way and in fact have come here to avoid the sexual filth that
is in asfd
-- we were aware that this group was the remnent of a flame war and never
meant to be a real group, however, it is extremly difficult for someone who
isn't very techy to form a new newsgroup
-- i can understand your sensitivity to your name being in the title, but
unless you tell them noone will know that you are *the* one
-- please don't go and wreck our community. we have talked previously about
something like alt.rec.diapers but it is just too hard.
thank you for you time and understanding
gismo is @ aol.com
Dean Edward Stark
Gizmois <giz...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> hi,
> -- i believe that most of us at this newsgroup are aware that you are in no
> way responsible for the creation of this newsgroup.
I don't believe this is the case. I've seem far
too many comments like "Who the hell is Dean Stark,"
hence the subject of my message. I've seen this
question in some of the other 200 newsgroups, and
even in alt.config.
> -- most of us who use this group enjoy diapers and age role-play in a non
> "sexual fetish" way and in fact have come here to avoid the sexual filth that
> is in asfd
> -- we were aware that this group was the remnent of a flame war and never
> meant to be a real group, however, it is extremly difficult for someone who
> isn't very techy to form a new newsgroup
This is not entirely true. If you know how to do it
it's ridiculously simple to create an alt.* group.
*I* can do it with nearly no effort.
> -- i can understand your sensitivity to your name being in the title, but
> unless you tell them noone will know that you are *the* one
Unless I tell them?!!! Jesus! My ex and her friends
are running around telling people and pointing them
to the newsgroup!
> -- please don't go and wreck our community. we have talked previously about
> something like alt.rec.diapers but it is just too hard.
>
Wreck your community?
If you know that I'm not into this stuff, and
that it was wrong for someone to create this
newsgroup with my name in the first place...
then are you helping to do some "wrecking"
by perpetuating the libel? It's no big deal
for those of you who post here, mostly anonymously,
since you're into this fetish... but my real name
is being used without my permission in association
with a subject I find personally distasteful.
> thank you for you time and understanding
> gismo is @ aol.com
Here's an offer; share it with your friends in the
newsgroup. *I* will create a new newsgroup for you
with a non-libelous name of your choosing. The
current newsgroup can stick around until the users
get the news about the new group. Then, six months
after the creation of the new group the old one can
be nuked.
Sound fair?
-- Dean
Walter Cronkite
> If you know that I'm not into this stuff, and
> that it was wrong for someone to create this
> newsgroup with my name in the first place...
Dean, forget it. Even if you create a replacement group, you will
never get rid of this one.
And that's the way it is.
J.R. Dean
I recall recently seeing the newsgroup
alt.walter-cronkite.stereo.dean-stark.
One of yours?
J.R. Dean
>Just how many is *too* many? One? One hundred? One million?
>
>Should no one dare ask, lest the truth be stated in reply?
>
>Do you subscribe to all 200, just to monitor the mention of your name?
Most of those newsgroups are now gone from most large
sites. Get it?
I can send out the advisories so that this newsgroup
could disappear in a few weeks from most large sites
that monitor and hand process rmgroup messages. That's
how most of the other 200 newsgroups were nuked.
It seems to me that it's only courteous and responsible
to politely suggest a way to change the newsgroup name
for a what appears to be a popular, though libelous,
newsgroup. Accord the same courtesy and perhaps you'll
be surprised to find that problems can be equitably solved.
>
>Dean, you are perverse, in ways beyond the ken of most people. You
>protest the use of your name, yet revel in the attention it brings you.
>All you need to do is shut up, yet you cannot. You yourself started this
>thread, and now you protest it.
>
>Yours is a name that will always be ranked with those of Gr*b*r, V*l*s,
>F*rr and B**rs*y. It is your own doing; the fruits of your own labors.
>The fact that you find it bitter fruit is merely a cautionary tale for the
>unwary.
I didn't know about this newsgroup until just
recently. This newsgroup was mentioned elsewhere,
in other newsgroups, wherein some people claimed
"Dean is into diapers," and they invited people to
come read about it, etc.
Is that clear enough for you? It was brought up
elsewhere and widely by other parties. Get over it.
-- D.
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J.R. Dean
>There is no libel here. Your name is here. Tough shit. Why should you
>expect the cooperation of people you've just denigrated? Because it's the
>Right Thing To Do According To Dean?
>
>Wrong = everything you don't like? Right = everything you do like? I'll
>pass on that, thanks. Keep your twisted ethos.
>
Here's an idea: How about we dig into your
various ideals and philosophies and find
something that *you* find distasteful, be
it pedophilia, rape, incest, etc... and
then we name a newsgroup for you, using your
real name and that particular distasteful
area of yours. Next, we distribute messages in
other newsgroups telling people that you
created the newsgroup and that you're a big
fan of <whatever>, and everyone should come
over to the newsgroup to support you.
Is that your idea of a fun time?
If so, you're one sick fuck.
See, I don't find people sick if they're
consenting adults and *want* to engage in
various thoughts, discussion, etc. But
as soon as someone is *forced* to participate
in what *you* find fun or funny, and that
person is libeled in the process, then no,
it's not harmless fun nor an expression of
your particular interest. You've crossed
the line, and you're no longer simply
exploring an area of personal freedom.
ABJoey
>I can send out the advisories so that this newsgroup
>could disappear in a few weeks from most large sites
>that monitor and hand process rmgroup messages. That's
>how most of the other 200 newsgroups were nuked.
Since this NG probably won't go away, go ahead and shut it down if you have
such power. Or sue somebody if it is libelous. Do something wtih some power to
it, because right now you seem to be whining, and I'm in a bad mood and don't
care for whiny brat boys.
Joey
AZ
idea , itssss workingggggggggggggggg, no matter who ya are ok ????
im aatimmy
Wetdidee wrote:
> enough already with the who the hell is dean stark youve worn it out over and
> over again
MoonInTX
into contact with. How about alt.fan.NOT.dean-stark.go-away
Wetdidee
J.R. Dean
First...
>This group deserves to continue to enjoy the use of this forum, despite
>any irritation it causes you. They have a far greater claim to ownership
>than you.
>
>Why the hell can't you just leave them in peace? If thine eye offend
>thee, pluck it out.
>
Then...
>Oh, and while we are discussing the topic -- care to contribute to the
>Dean Stark FAQ? This is your first and last chance to do so. Version 0.1
>is in the works.
>
So which is it? Peace, or more crap?
This is what I love about you. Aside from the
fact that you're a gutless wonder who posts under
fake account identities, there's this "leave them
in peace" posturing... followed by your *I'll rub
salt in the wound and fuck with you even more*
taunting. It was this kind of bullshit that started
all of this.
You're not that clever. The style is a dead giveaway,
if nothing else.
All of this makes it pretty damned obvious who you
really are, and that you don't give a good damn
about the people posting to this newsgroup (why not
post with your real name as a champion of diaper-play
fans everywhere, sans your "X-No-Archive" header line?).
-- D.
P.S. Most major news sites do not carry alt.fan.dean-stark
since it is so *widely* recognized to be a bogus newsgroup.
Your follow-up trick to that newsgroup is about as sharp
as your scabby knees.
Erik Max Francis
> This is what I love about you. Aside from the
> fact that you're a gutless wonder who posts under
> fake account identities, there's this "leave them
> in peace" posturing... followed by your *I'll rub
> salt in the wound and fuck with you even more*
> taunting. It was this kind of bullshit that started
> all of this.
When you put on your hurt face and pout and whine that nobody loves you
it makes you all the more laughable.
> You're not that clever. The style is a dead giveaway,
> if nothing else.
But he's sure got a sense of humor.
> All of this makes it pretty damned obvious who you
> really are, and that you don't give a good damn
> about the people posting to this newsgroup (why not
> post with your real name as a champion of diaper-play
> fans everywhere, sans your "X-No-Archive" header line?).
Sounds like X-No-Archive'ing ones Dean Wars posts is more of a courtesy
than a disservice, Dean. Strange that you'd insist that people not use
it since you yourself have used it in the past when you've said
something dumb you didn't want archived.
> P.S. Most major news sites do not carry alt.fan.dean-stark
> since it is so *widely* recognized to be a bogus newsgroup.
> Your follow-up trick to that newsgroup is about as sharp
> as your scabby knees.
You say that a.f.d-s is not widely recognized, but you're posting in
a.f.d-s.diaper-play. Duh. How Dean of you!
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>jrd+u...@enclave.org (J.R. Dean) wrote:
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Ah, memories...
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J.R. Dean
>You say that a.f.d-s is not widely recognized, but you're posting in
>a.f.d-s.diaper-play. Duh. How Dean of you!
>
How MC2 of you. (Yes, folks, Erik is the infamous
MC2 who made a pest of himself in alt.tasteless.)
a.f.d-s is not archived or carried at DejaNews or
Supernews. Most sites nuked it long ago.
-- D.
J.R. Dean
>jrd+u...@enclave.org (J.R. Dean) wrote:
>
>>>Dean Stark FAQ? This is your first and last chance to do so. Version 0.1
>>>is in the works.
>
>>So which is it? Peace, or more crap?
>
>read regularly, and a major poster to several others. All of that
>activity generates some public interest. A FAQ is an appropriate response
>to that interest. If that disturbs you, perhaps you should seek another
>hobby.
It looks like you're a more prolific poster
than I, with your various identities.
Several other newsgroups? Which ones would
those be? I certainly haven't been posting
to many newsgroups this year, mainly just one.
"Major poster" -- wow, what a laugh.
Hey, if you write a FAQ and post it with "X-No-
Archive" we can make "If he shits in the woods
do you hear it?" jokes.
>When you find out, will you call up my employer and report me for
>cyberstalking you? Will you complain to my ISP? Will you leave breathy
>messages on my answering machine? Will you whine to my mother about how
>I'm picking on you? Will you mail me your spooge-encrusted vinyl pal?
>
Odd that you mention *all* of the tactics that
you and your buddies love to use to harass and
intimidate people. You wouldn't be projecting
just a tad, would you?
>
>You're quite incorrect. You don't have any right to rmgroup a.f.d-s.d-p.
>It's an active group, with over 1500 posts on dejanews. It's net abuse to
>remove it. The topic and name of the group are irrelevant. And while
>we're discussing your net abuse, will you *again* spew automated rmgroup
>messages in your futile attempt to remove your imagined libel?
Funny, I never got in *any* trouble for sending
rmgroups for the bogus a.f.d-s newsgroups. Remember,
rmgroups are not automatically honored at most sites.
You're not in Kansas anymore, Toto. Click your
red shoes together and fly away home...
J.R. Dean
>jsm...@nac.net (J. Kerr Smith) wrote:
>
>
>n954...@cc.wwu.edu (Wes Payne)
>J0L...@gnn.com (Javier Godinez)
>jim...@acme.novelty.com (Jimmy Corrigan)
>dco...@zeus.towson.edu (daniel contrini)
>bjh...@ucdavis.edu (Brandon High)
>be...@morpheus.cis.yale.edu (Peter Bell)
>j...@hal-pc.org (de J)
>un...@iap.net.au (uncle brian)
>
>Ah, memories...
>
I hadn't encountered this particular incarnation
of his, but it's safe to say that his behavior
qualifies him for kookdom status.
Erik Max Francis
> How MC2 of you. (Yes, folks, Erik is the infamous
> MC2 who made a pest of himself in alt.tasteless.)
And I'm sure the people who read alt.fan.dean-stark.diaper-play really
care who you think I am.
> a.f.d-s is not archived or carried at DejaNews or
> Supernews. Most sites nuked it long ago.
You know, Dean, I used to think that you were a pretty bright guy, but
you just spent your energies in unfruitful ways. More and more it's
become clear that you are an ignorant prick who doesn't know what the
fuck he's talking about.
alt.fan.dean-stark is not archived on DejaNews, huh, Dean? Why do you
keep using DejaNews as a source to back up your claims when all you end
up doing is demonstrating that you haven't got the slighest idea how to
use it?
Erik Max Francis
> You seem to care, ergo you posted this reply.
>
> Hey, which alias here is yours?
I post here as "Dean Stark."
Nice to see you dodge your latest fuckup regarding DejaNews, though.
Just give it up, Dean, you're a lost cause.
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