Verifying four lines of descent
LCA
charts showing descent from Edward III and armiger ancestors. LDS
charts are not very reliable, and so I hope that more expert
genealogists will verify the lineages below and let me know what they
think. All corrections and additions are welcome.
Dates and places are given as in the LDS pedigree charts. Dates are
approximative. As you'll notice in a couple of cases, the dates cannot
possibly be right, but they are all I have at present.
Line of descent 1:
1. Edward III, 1312 (Windsor Castle) - 1377,
+ Hainault, Queen of England, 1312/1314 (Mons, Belgium) - 1369
2. J. England, Duke of Lancaster, 1340-1398/99
+ Katherine de Roet 1350 (Picardy, France) - 1403
3. H. Beaufort, Bishop of Lincoln, 1376 (France) - 1447, not married,
but child with Alice Fitzalan, 1378 (Arundel) - 1416
4. Jane Beaufort, aft. 1402 (Westminster)
+ Edward Stradling, Sir, 1398 (St. Donats) - 1453
5. Henry Stradling, Sir, 1430-1451
+ Elizabeth Verch Willian Herbert, 1427 (Ragland)
6. Thomas Stradling, Sir, 1454 (Wales) - 1480
+ Janet Mathew, 1468 (???)
7. Edward Stradling, Sir, 1474 (???), (St. Donats) - 1535
+ Elizabeth Arundel, 1484 (Landerns) - 1513
8. Catherine Stradling, 1512 (St. Donats) - 1585
+Thomas Palmer, Sir, 1508 (Parham) - 1585
9. John Palmer, 1544
+ Elizabeth Verney, 1558 (Fairfield)
10. Walter Palmer, 1585/98 (England) - 1661
+ Rebecca Short, 1607 (Massachusetts) - 1671
Line of descent 2:
1. Renfred Arundell, 1180 (Treloy)
+ ?
2. Ralph A., 1208 (Lanherne) - 1275
+ Eva de Rupe, 1212 (Tremoderet) - 1283
3. Reinfred de A., Lord of L---), 1240 Lanherne - 1280
+ Alice de la Hurne, 1244 (Lanherne) - 1280
4. John A., 1272 (Treloy), - 1308
+ Joan Le Soor, 1272 (Tolverne)
5. John A., 1294 (Lanherne) - 1379
+ Isabella or Joan de la Bere, 1296 (Tolverne)
6. John A., 1315 (Lanherne) - 1379
+ Elizabeth Carminow, 1314 (Lanherne) - 1356
7. John A., 1336 (Treleigh) - 1400
+ Joan Luscote, 1344 (Lustock) - 1396
8. John A., 1372 (Lanherne) -1436
+ Annora or Eleanor Lambourne, 1374 (Lamborne)
9. John A., 1392 (Bideford) - 1423
+ Margaret Burghersh, 1398 (Ewias Lacy) - 1424
10. John A. VII, 1421 (Lanherne)
+ Catherine Chidioc, 1423 (Arundell) - 1479
11. Thomas A., Sir, 1454 (Lanherne) - 1485
+ Catherine Dinham, 1457 (England) - 1502
12. Elizabeth A., 1484 (Landerns) - 1513
+ Edward Stradling, Sir, 1474 (St. Donats) - 1535
13. Catherine S. + Thomas Palmer (see 1)
Line of descent 3
1. William de Berkerolles, sir, 1122 -
+ Felice de Vere, 1126
2. Roger de B., sir, 1148 (Bassaleg) - 1169
+ Cecilia de Haia, 1167 (Bassaleg)
3. William de B., 1192 (Bassaleg) - aft. 1213
+ ???, 1220 (Bassaleg)
4. Lawrence de B., sir, 1252 (East Orchard, Wales) -
+ Catherine de Turberville, 1294 (Coity, Wales)
5. Gwenlian B., 1322 (East Orchard) -
+ Edward Stradling, sir, 1345 (St. Donats) - 1367
6. Willian S., sir, 1375 (St. Donats) -
+ Isabel Sainte Barbe, 1377 -
7. Edward S. + Jane Beaufort (see 1)
Line of descent 4
This is a less known line, I suppose, and what intrigues me especially
is the generation-wide gap after Nicholas Billing + Agnes Gilbert.
1. Elias Helias Giffard, 1145 (Brimesfield), - 1190
+ Maud Fitzharding de Berkeley, 1160 (Brimesfield)
2. Osbert G., 1180 (Brimesfield) - 1237
+ Isabel de Bokland, 1211 (Brimesfield) - 1242
3. John G., sir, 1235 (Twyford) - 1300
+ ???, 1239 (Brimesfield) -
4. John G., sir, 1270 (Twyford) - 1328
+ Alexandra de (Lahaye) Gardinis, 1279 (Oxfordshire) - 1328
5. John G., sir, 1301 (Twyford) - 1368
+ Lucy de (Elmbrugge) Morteyn, 1305 (Tillsworth) - 1361
6. Thomas G., 1345 (Twyford) - 1394
+ Elizabeth de Missenden, 1339 (Twyford) - 1367
7. Roger G., 1367 (Twyford) - 1409
+ Elizabeth Seyton, 1372 (Twyford)
8. Catherine G., 1399 (Twyford) - 1479
+ Thomas Billing, sir, 1395 (Northampton) - 1481
9. Nicholas B., 1429 - 1512 (???)
+ Agnes Gilbert, 1433 - (???)
10. John B., 1502 - 1526
+ ??? 1502 -
11. William B., 1519 (Middleton) - 1557
+ Joan 1508-
12. Roger B., 1535 - 1546 (???)
+ Katherine 1537 (Taunton) - 1566
13. Richard B., 1560 (Baltonsborough)
+ Elizabeth Strong, 1564
14. William B., 1601/1604 (Taunton)
+ Mary, 1605 (Taunton)
That's it! As I said, all comments are welcome, including those
destroying these lines of descent. And who knows, maybe the above
information may help some of you.
Many thanks for reading through these and helping me.
Janet Ariciu
Sir William wife was Elizabeth Johns "Sir William had three sons: Henry,
John, and Richard that came to America.They settled in Westmoreland and
Rappahannock Counties, Virginia.
"Elizabeth Johns who married Sir William Awbrey was descended on both sides
from the Berkeley family. This family descends many different ways from
Charlemagne, as well as the majority of the early Norman kings of England.
This line would apply to you as you are a descendant of John Awbrey Sr., a
son of Sir William Awbrey and Elizabeth Johns. This line would not apply to
the other Awbrey branches, such as the group that immigrated to
Pennsylvania, or the branch that continued to reside in England as Baronets
of Llantrithydd. The Virginia Awbreys are the only ones descended from
Elizabeth Johns."
Can any help me with Berkeley family and Johns too
Janet
David Paul Meyer
Line 1, # 10:
Walter PALMER's parents are UNKNOWN. They were NOT John Palmer and Elizabeth Verney of Somerset, England. This myth has been disproved.
Rebecca Short immigrated in 1633, she was not born in Massachusetts.
Further, there is NO evidence to show that Abraham Palmer, a merchant from London, England, who with his wife, Grace, immigrated in 1630, was his brother.
I don't know who you are but I hope I was not the distant relative who sent you the Walter Palmer stuff! Are you a descendant of his?
Yours truly,
David
Kay Allen AG
ancestry and descendancy.
LCA wrote:
> A couple of years ago I received from a distant relative LDS pedigree
> charts showing descent from Edward III and armiger ancestors. LDS
> charts are not very reliable, and so I hope that more expert
> genealogists will verify the lineages below and let me know what they
> think. All corrections and additions are welcome.
>
> Dates and places are given as in the LDS pedigree charts. Dates are
> approximative. As you'll notice in a couple of cases, the dates cannot
> possibly be right, but they are all I have at present.
Snipped
His work would verify #1 through #8. See New England Register vols. 74
and 75. Only Lucy Morteyne was born a Morteyne.
So you would have to verify that #9 was son of #8 couple and thence
downward.
Kay Allen AG
>
>
> Line of descent 4
>
> This is a less known line, I suppose, and what intrigues me especially
> is the generation-wide gap after Nicholas Billing + Agnes Gilbert.
>
> 1. Elias Helias Giffard, 1145 (Brimesfield), - 1190
> + Maud Fitzharding de Berkeley, 1160 (Brimesfield)
> 2. Osbert G., 1180 (Brimesfield) - 1237
> about 1237
> + Isabel de Bokland, 1211 (Brimesfield) - 1242
> 3. John G., sir, 1235 (Twyford) -
> 1300 about 1300
> + ???, 1239 (Brimesfield) -
> 4. John G., sir, 1270 (Twyford) - 1328
> + Alexandra de (Lahaye) Gardinis, 1279 (Oxfordshire) - 1328
> before 1321
> 5. John G., sir, 1301 (Twyford) -
> 1368 1369
> + Lucy de (Elmbrugge) Morteyn, 1305 (Tillsworth) - 1361 after 8
> Mar. 1361
> 6. Thomas G., 1345 (Twyford) - 1394
> + Elizabeth de Missenden, 1339 (Twyford) - 1367 about
> 1367
> 7. Roger G., 1367 (Twyford) - 1409
> + Elizabeth Seyton, 1372 (Twyford)
> 8. Catherine G., 1399 (Twyford) - 1479 b.
> about 1399